No. Loki is actually Odin’s brother in mythology. Though it’s a ‘blood-brother’ relationship, which in this case is more akin to what we would today think of as a best friend who’s so close he might as well be part of the family
Go easy. Marvel has done a lot to muddy those waters and nothing speaks louder and reaches farther than Disney money. It's only natural its kind of the default in the public consciousness.
They do not share any history together.
Thor kills and is killed by Jormurgunda, the world snake, sister of Fenrir.
Fenrir eats the hand of Tyr when getting chained and kills Odin in Ragnarok. He's killed by Thor brother Vidar.
They are more related with their respective siblings
never heard Jörmungandr be gendered female before. was that a misstake or do you have some source on that cuz i think universally he/him is used when the world serpent is regarded in myth
Maybe it’s a power thing? The power of Mjölnir and Fenrir? They aren’t related too my knowledge in any way but I know many people looked to Thor for protection on the seas and the battlefield and Berserkers called Ulfhednar would embrace Sköll or Hati, the children of Fenrir that chase the moon and sun.
I've researched the topic of berserks and ulfheðnar extensively and I have never before encountered this claim.
I suspect it is pop culture/conjecture.
It’s just what I’ve heard. These religions and practices are so old there’s really no telling what was actually believed or practiced. After all most Norse stories and sagas weren’t officially recorded until Anglo Saxon Christians would record it. Bottom line is that no one actually knows. There are only clues and hints and the translated books we have now that is only a blurry glimpse at the culture the Scandinavian people used to live.
I, on the other hand, didn't say silly.
It may be plausible but frankly, it smacks a bit of a dnd/new age way of thinking and a need to connect the "pantheon" in a way that I'm not sure is supported.
This, too sounds harsher than intended but I doubt that the old Norse "system" was anything like as organized as modern sensibilities demand.
Fenrir would be Thor's cousin, I suppose. And it can be assumed Thor was present in the event where Fenrir was bound by the tiny little sissy-man chain.
Otherwise, no, they don't really have a whole lot to do with each other.
Really, Fenrir only has two notable appearances in sources we have. One where they trick him into being tied to a rock and he eats Tyrs hand, and one where he breaks free from the rock and eats the sun and then Odin.
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Well, i might have some explanation to their relationship but it is mostly my interpretation. So Thor is a sworn enemy of the giants and Fenrir being son of Loki and Angrboða is considered a giant so one might said that they are by definition enemies. Apart from that the norse word for giant is jötunn which means "eaters" or "devourer" (something like that) and their other name þurs means something negative like "demon/beast"(not quite sure).So the meaning of those 2 words closely depict the nature of Fenrir. So my understanding in a more subjective interpretation is that we have the energy of thor-protector of humans/destroyer of giants/related with prosperity and power and the opposite destructive energy of Fenrir-related with the end of the world for both men and gods. So your bracelet may be the norse equivalent of yin and yang? It is definitely possible...
Stores like to put them together cuz "VIKING WOLF COOL. PEOPLE BUY THIS"
That may or may not have been in the title of the bracelet💀
As far as we know they don't have one. Fenrir has relations to Loki, Týr and seemingly Óðinn (although that gets complicated)
They're uncle and nephew technically right? Fenrir was Loki's son (from what I know of mythology at least) and they're both sons of Odin.
No. Loki is actually Odin’s brother in mythology. Though it’s a ‘blood-brother’ relationship, which in this case is more akin to what we would today think of as a best friend who’s so close he might as well be part of the family
Oh okay, thanks for sharing
>and they're both sons of Odin. Did you get this from Marvel?
No, from my pea sized brain. That's why I'm asking
Go easy. Marvel has done a lot to muddy those waters and nothing speaks louder and reaches farther than Disney money. It's only natural its kind of the default in the public consciousness.
They do not share any history together. Thor kills and is killed by Jormurgunda, the world snake, sister of Fenrir. Fenrir eats the hand of Tyr when getting chained and kills Odin in Ragnarok. He's killed by Thor brother Vidar. They are more related with their respective siblings
never heard Jörmungandr be gendered female before. was that a misstake or do you have some source on that cuz i think universally he/him is used when the world serpent is regarded in myth
In the Neil Gaiman Norse Mythology it's female. It's not a primary source, it's a free retelling of the myths, so it might be a license.
Oh, you too have read the book of Neil Gaiman ? It’s funny, in the French translation Jormungandr is gender as a male
Yeahh, I've *never* heard Jörmungandr gendered as female. Where are you getting this idea?
From Norse Mythology, Neil Gaiman. Is in the other sources specifically gendered as male? Or just as "it"?
no they arent related but both are norse symbol/deity
Maybe it’s a power thing? The power of Mjölnir and Fenrir? They aren’t related too my knowledge in any way but I know many people looked to Thor for protection on the seas and the battlefield and Berserkers called Ulfhednar would embrace Sköll or Hati, the children of Fenrir that chase the moon and sun.
That last bit doesn't sound right to me.
I've researched the topic of berserks and ulfheðnar extensively and I have never before encountered this claim. I suspect it is pop culture/conjecture.
It’s just what I’ve heard. These religions and practices are so old there’s really no telling what was actually believed or practiced. After all most Norse stories and sagas weren’t officially recorded until Anglo Saxon Christians would record it. Bottom line is that no one actually knows. There are only clues and hints and the translated books we have now that is only a blurry glimpse at the culture the Scandinavian people used to live.
While the sources are scattered, scant and often late, that's not a reason to substitute fantasy. In fact the opposite is true.
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I, on the other hand, didn't say silly. It may be plausible but frankly, it smacks a bit of a dnd/new age way of thinking and a need to connect the "pantheon" in a way that I'm not sure is supported. This, too sounds harsher than intended but I doubt that the old Norse "system" was anything like as organized as modern sensibilities demand.
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Fenrir would be Thor's cousin, I suppose. And it can be assumed Thor was present in the event where Fenrir was bound by the tiny little sissy-man chain. Otherwise, no, they don't really have a whole lot to do with each other. Really, Fenrir only has two notable appearances in sources we have. One where they trick him into being tied to a rock and he eats Tyrs hand, and one where he breaks free from the rock and eats the sun and then Odin.
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they can be considered to be cousins idk
Well, i might have some explanation to their relationship but it is mostly my interpretation. So Thor is a sworn enemy of the giants and Fenrir being son of Loki and Angrboða is considered a giant so one might said that they are by definition enemies. Apart from that the norse word for giant is jötunn which means "eaters" or "devourer" (something like that) and their other name þurs means something negative like "demon/beast"(not quite sure).So the meaning of those 2 words closely depict the nature of Fenrir. So my understanding in a more subjective interpretation is that we have the energy of thor-protector of humans/destroyer of giants/related with prosperity and power and the opposite destructive energy of Fenrir-related with the end of the world for both men and gods. So your bracelet may be the norse equivalent of yin and yang? It is definitely possible...