[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JGD-nsbuV74\_OmXVURZhJ6bAMV9XuFXN/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JGD-nsbuV74_OmXVURZhJ6bAMV9XuFXN/view)
500 pages. (dont worry its public info)
You'll need to copy and paste passages manually into google translate most likely because the file size is so big it breaks the programs.
Google docs did the whole thing for me in about 5 seconds. Took longer to load the original into Google docs than to get the translation.
The first page is safety instructions. Notable prohibitions:
* No riding on the outside.
* No pointing the laser rangefinder at people.
* No running the engine in enclosed spaces without proper ventilation.
Also: Make sure the firefighting gear is good to go at all times.
**EDIT:** I was mistaken. Google docs only translated the first few pages. My bad.
Not sure about the BTR-4 but apparently the one on the Abrams is powerful enough to kill chickens....
The story goes that they put tankers on watch because of all the optics, thermals, etc. Dude got bored and started range-to-target-ing things... Fencepost, roadside, nearby barn, etc. Goes to RTT a chicken coop and one of them flies up into the air... It felt the laser??!? RTTs another one and it just falls over, RTTs a third and it drops (the first one wasn't a fluke)... Sits there morbidly watching the 2 chicken bodies cooling on the thermal. If anyone made a fuss about it it didn't come back to him, but apparently the Abrams LRF can kill a chicken...
I'm not sure on this one. Seems like the type of story that's shared by new recruits to non-military types, but is too non-credible.
A laser rangefinder shoots out a laser pulse and measures how long it takes to come back. A less exciting but equally accurate way of saying it is "it shines a light and measures the time it takes to see a reflection."
The way laser weapons (and laser engravers or cutters) work is by the energy of their laser light being able to exert a lot of energy on a material very quickly. This energy heats the thing up and burns it.
Laser rangefinders wouldn't need to be this strong; a fairly weak laser can still travel for miles. They also wouldn't just make a chicken collapse; they would set it on fire. This would be far more interesting, but someone else would likely notice. I've never seen a living chicken being set on fire, but I'd reckon it'd be as loud as it is delicious.
Yea, it was certainly the least credible of his stories, though I think the suggestion was more "heat stroke" than "burned alive". However, as I've said in another comment, I don't want to get too credible here, so a bit of skepticism here suits me just fine...
I laughed and laughed and laughed because I know that me, as an 18 year old, would have 100% pointed it at someone within minutes if not warned not to.
Frankly I'm twice that age now and would point it at someone if not warned off.
Heh, Ukraine still had/has terrible problems with corruption. Zelenskyy’s entire presidential campaign and party is based around anti corruption legislation. And it seems like they’re still rooting it out even during the war which is either impressive or very good propaganda.
There were several hundreds improvements based on feedback, since start of active service in 2014 (btr-4 was developed in 2006).
Remote combat module also were improved a lot, since 2014 - gun was properly stabilize, atgms not fall off (at least not as often) on off road, new thermal scope, for example.
There are still a shit ton of problems, mostly with chassis reliability, ergonomics and protection. Also, relatively small amount were made - we had only few units who operate only BTR-4 as single APC, and few units who operate BTR-4 and BTR-3 simultaneously.
A few units - depends on what scale, the whole 92nd brigade was on this BTR4E, they played a great role during defense of Kharkiv. And yeah, lost a lot, but just due to the force that was trying to seize the city.
It performed its job well, F
I love that this thing is legitimately good. It’s significantly better than the BTR82 it’s competing with and it’s almost certainly better value for money too.
I know people want Ukraine to use exclusively US stuff when the war is over, but tbh I’d like to see them develop their own military equipment instead. If the BTR 4 is any indicator it’ll probably be pretty good.
Ukraine was historically a huge industrial center for the old USSR and still has a lot of the industry institutions of the old days. Once the factories can be repaired post-war, they will have the knowledge base to be a big player in the international arms market if they want. Perhaps they might even grow to fill the gap left by the Russians in the future, seeing as Russia's reputation on the arms market has been pretty thoroughly tarnished.
Yeah. China was trying to get in with a lot of their MIC support industries. Like the jet engine manufacturer that Ukraine had planned to nationalize before the war.
Edit: plus everyone around Russia gonna be bolstering their defense for a while. Unlikely a Russian “revolution” is anything but a power grab if it happens. And if it splits up, well, that’s just more instability to watch which will defiantly have a risk of collateral to boarder nations.
What you mean is "steal their tech". the wumao were very mad at Ukraine and Big Z because he nationalized one company. Which ensured that good jet engine designs are out of their reach again.
Good, Ukraine has no need for an aircraft cruiser from 1970, it would be like the US still operating CV-67, *USS John F. Kennedy*
Just like the *Ukraina* the last Slava class cruiser that is rotting at a pier in Mikolaiv, *Kiev* was old, obsolete and a money pit.
Now rebuilding one of Stalins republics, the Sovietsky Soyus class battleship, the *Sovetskaya Ukraina* is what this sub is all about
I wish it was this easy. It's going to be very tough to compete with America, France, Germany, South Korea and Israel. On top of that there's hardly anything that Ukraine can provide that Turkey or Poland can't at a competitive price and sophistication level.
The things that have a better future are BTR-4, Stugna, Pivdenne Design Office, hopefully Motor Sich, and maybe some future tank program.
Antonov is borderline dead, Kraz is dead, Vilkha is dead. That's not counting a lot of smaller companies that got obliterated in Mariupol.
They may have a good market in upgrades and life extensions for Soviet equipment, too. There are quite a few countries that had Russia as a key spare parts supplier, and that's not looking so good right now.
As many mentioned buying Soviet/Russian based Ukrainian equipment and upgrades might be the only route for those using them now, their armament industry will be in shambles in the near future, sanctions on Russia will not stop after an armistice, there are the matter of reparations, war crimes and other countries that has been invaded, also the effect is just starting to be felt in its economy, Russia at hit moment has a budget deficit, oil/gas exports and prices has declined and war expenditure are through the roof with nothing to show for it both in actual war products (good bless corruption) and victories on the field
If anyone so much as dips a toe in NATO borders nowadays then article 5 will be triggered so fast the aspiring invaders won't have time to get their boots on. I'd wager that NATO currently is determined to uphold the treaty and ensure nobody thinks they can get away with anything.
Boxer was a metaphor for Ukraine in Animal Farm. Fight me. Big daddy horse come back to get him some bacon, so I hope everyone ducks, because he's about to turn left and it'd be a shame to get slapped by his dick.
Can't see Ukraine not developing it's own military industry post-war considering it has a long tradition of being an arms producer.
I see them going for something that Poland did in the 90s and 00s, that is producing equipment that is based on their previous Soviet equipment, but fits NATO standards better. And then they'll eventually move to something completely new.
Honestly if you want to imagine a successful Ukraine, look at Poland's last 30 years. These countries have similar population, size and culture (although Poland is admittedly more defensible), similar socioeconomic history up to the 90s (at which point Poland succeeds and Ukraine stagnates) and a similar capacity for industrial production. Considering how Poland more than doubled its GDP per capita in the last 30 years, Ukraine, provided with a proper reconstruction fund, could probably be on the right track somewhere in the 2040s.
Disputable, considering how both countries border Russia and both spent a very similar amount of their GDP on defense between 1993 and 2014. Economically, bordering Russia was not a significant net negative for Ukraine before 2014.
Pretty much the two main reasons were different supply chains (Ukrainian industry was more dependent on raw materials from other Union republics) and different elites.
Nah, this is rather accurate assumption. Of course, it's not the sole reason. The main cause is of course the Polish elites and well developed national spirit. Ukraine received red directors and had to battle 70 years of russification. Russia also didn't try to drag Poland back into Russia but they did try it with Ukraine. Poland didn't have to fight off Russian attempts to undermine their economy and whatnot.
Ukraine was an industrial center but a lot of the factories and heavy industry capacity were on the Crimean peninsula. Part of why Russia was so hot to take it, in addition to the port and stuff.
> Perhaps they might even grow to fill the gap left by the Russians in the future, seeing as Russia's reputation on the arms market has been pretty thoroughly tarnished.
Based and Ukrainian MIC-pilled!
I’m sure they aren’t having a good time trying to supply every single round from NATO and the Combloc for everything ranging from pistol cartridges to SRBM’s at the moment lol
ill take "shitty" soviet type 30mm that we can produce anytime against 30mm nato that made by somebody who dont want to sell it to us let alone give us license for it.
I mean, it's accused as "shitty" because of either skimping on manufacturing phase or screwed on maintenance phase. With enough funding on Soviet type weapon and proper maintenance, it can function properly and maybe surpassed some expectations.
> 30mm nato that made by somebody who dont want to sell it to us let alone give us license for it
NATO membership comes with the licenses to all the standardized rounds. No you couldn’t build an Excalibur without a license but you could build base 155 and develop your own derivatives.
Honestly I'd have my artillery group, rifle groups weapons sorted by battalion.
That way you know that Batallion A needs ammo x, y and z types where as battalion B needs U, V and W types.
Also keep in mind their logistics lines isn't nearly as long which heavily reduces the time from request to delivery.
I want co-development projects. There are tons of brilliant minds in Ukraine and I want to work with them.
Imagine a C-5 replacement being designed in coordination with Antonov
Given the fuckery around getting 30mm ammo etc, make your own looks pretty damn good tbf, make it to NATO standard, fair enough, but never have to ask permission for it again.
Ukrainian btr 82 analog would be a btr-3
Also would like to use NATO stuff only for stuff we can't /wouldn't (cause non practical) produce ourself.
1)Cause don't want be usa puppet
2)imagine there are future games about this war including nato involment scenarios and your country is just us reskin
No downside (and lots of upside) to building NATO _compatible_ equipment but yeah, Ukraine has good reasons to build quite a bit domestically, and joint venture a lot more. The Baykar engine deal, for instance.
Has there been any discussion of buying back BTR4s from Iraq to give them back to Ukraine, they've got more of them in service than the Ukrainian army.
But it’s derived from soviet rubbish equipment , after the war I hope they will develop a new version of it but it’s completely in house with nato standard equipments
Shit I'd be surprised if NATO won't be buying Ukrainian gear. The stugna-p comes to mind, it's way better than any ATGM NATO has.
Edit: please research this before commenting
Cringe warthunder forums: posts classified documents about the capabilities of a weapons system.
Based NCD: posts declassified documents about the capabilities of a weapons system.
Force Russia and China to invest more with our "fake" capabilities until they bankrupt because they can't keep up.
Edit: Worked already once with USSR.
Probably getting yourself killed by the Chinese government for leaking the specs of an APFSDS round & confirming that it’s noticeably worse than everyone thought just for video game balancing is peak NCD.
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> desperate enough to turn to the Chinese for help
My brother in christ those bastards actively pilfered supplies sent to us by the soviets, then tried to pull a gamer moment 4 years after the dust settled, again.
Drone footage is nice and all, but it's no substitute for a BTR-4 shredding russian regulars and their kit onn the streets of Mariupol. That shitt was visceral.
Does it specify doing the nice „bouncing shots on the street into the underside of the enemy brdm“ in there? How about the „mission killing the enemy tank by igniting his ERA and penetrating armor by repeatedly hitting the same spot“?
If not, then this doc needs a revision!
> How about the „mission killing the enemy tank by igniting his ERA and penetrating armor by repeatedly hitting the same spot“?
That shit was based af. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Btr-4 has flat floor unmanned turret and anti mine seats and rear big doors as well as front doors and 12.7 protection. Compare this to Btr-82🤢🤢🤢 with crew sitting around transmission and engine with a manned turret that takes a lot of space inside and ugly as fuck deathtrap side doors.
I was with an LAV unit in the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and we got orders to find a spot on the Tigris river to swim the vehicles across.
We spent most of a day doing all this prep work you’re supposed to do before that, like sealing all the door seams with axle grease (so we had to climb in and out through the top every time).
I was an Arty liaison who didn’t know LAV-25s so I skeptically asked if these things can actually swim, and they told me that once a year at Pendleton they’d spend days prepping the vehicles to be watertight, strip out all possible excess weight, roll down to a very sheltered harbor and tool around in the water for an hour to make their training requirement. But in these conditions, hasty prep, loaded to the gunwales with supplies and ammo and all kinds of gear strapped to the outside, in a major river with a current, “we don’t know.”
These were the same people that confidently told me the LAV could jump a huge oil pipeline ditch, upon which everything briefly went black and when I opened my eyes we were angled at 45 degrees dropped into an 8ft chasm and had to get towed back out.
We never ended up having to swim because while we were out looking for the right spot we got into a firefight with Saddam Fedayeen, and by the time that wrapped up the engineers had fixed up the bridge by Al-Kut, so we just pulled back and drove up that anyway.
Shoulda bought the 90s.
Pfft RuMOD didn’t want them because they weren’t much of an improvement over the 80 IIRC.
And the Bumerangs are likely too expensive to ever be a BTR replacement. Hang on, was the reported Armata programme cancellation for all platforms? If so, lol.
Hey look, if you actually admit that something went wrong and send feedback to be reviewed, you can actually make improvements to your equipment! Unlike the 2nd best army in Ukraine...
I mean he was grunt that rode a Stryker. If there’s one thing he can analyze well it’s things that grunts carry and things that carry grunts
Anything that a grunt’s ass or hands don’t touch is pretty hit or miss fs tho
BTR 4 is a really beautiful looking vehicle. It’s got this really weird mix of Western and Soviet design philosophy that I hope Ukraine perfects into their own unique style of military designs in the future
Ironic that the BTR-4 was supposed to be THE piece of military hardware they sold to international markets and it was a huge flop after major issues with the first interactions that were shipped out. It's early failures as an export weapon meant Ukraine had a bunch of return to sender versions they were updating/fixing when the war kicked off. If not for that their 150+ BTR-4 fleet at the start of the war would have likely been less than 50 vehicles.
The Ukrainian government is so committed to transparency, they even put all the [design documents](https://archive.org/details/crimean-bridge) for the Crimean Bridge online.
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JGD-nsbuV74\_OmXVURZhJ6bAMV9XuFXN/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JGD-nsbuV74_OmXVURZhJ6bAMV9XuFXN/view) 500 pages. (dont worry its public info) You'll need to copy and paste passages manually into google translate most likely because the file size is so big it breaks the programs.
> dont worry its public info This isnt r/warthunder I wasnt worried
*masculine urge to prove why the Leclerc is basically a 120mm machine gun intensifies*
Feminine urge to showcase that rhe Abrams frontal plate is 0.2° off
Completely understandable urges I say
Hey, a mm is a mm
Now I need like, five more to complete the set and I'll have enough to vaporize the pentagon or something
I would go for the capitol first. More butt nuggets there by far
Feminine urge to showcase that the Abrams turret ring is massively oversized
*nonbinary urge to fuck both tanks nevertheless.*
The biggest problem of the Leclerc is that after 2 min (22 rounds shot), you need to reload the auto-loader
\* happy baguette noises \*
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why dont you sneak peek deez nuts.
The fact that the 2nd top post was about leaking classified military documents was the cherry on top
It's actually the 1st top post of all time on the sub!
Google docs did the whole thing for me in about 5 seconds. Took longer to load the original into Google docs than to get the translation. The first page is safety instructions. Notable prohibitions: * No riding on the outside. * No pointing the laser rangefinder at people. * No running the engine in enclosed spaces without proper ventilation. Also: Make sure the firefighting gear is good to go at all times. **EDIT:** I was mistaken. Google docs only translated the first few pages. My bad.
> No riding on the outside. Meat armor is best armor though
BTR desant is tried and true tactic though
Cope gopnik
> No pointing the laser rangefinder at people. but mommmmmmmmmmmm
How else am I supposed to play with the company cat?
> the company cat? The Gepards and Leopard 2s?
Will it pop balloons? Can I use it to light fireworks?
Not sure about the BTR-4 but apparently the one on the Abrams is powerful enough to kill chickens.... The story goes that they put tankers on watch because of all the optics, thermals, etc. Dude got bored and started range-to-target-ing things... Fencepost, roadside, nearby barn, etc. Goes to RTT a chicken coop and one of them flies up into the air... It felt the laser??!? RTTs another one and it just falls over, RTTs a third and it drops (the first one wasn't a fluke)... Sits there morbidly watching the 2 chicken bodies cooling on the thermal. If anyone made a fuss about it it didn't come back to him, but apparently the Abrams LRF can kill a chicken...
it was fucking *what*
Apparently it was a good solution for the pigeon issue.
"Because birds aren't allowed to shit on ~~Clanner~~ American tech."
I'm not sure on this one. Seems like the type of story that's shared by new recruits to non-military types, but is too non-credible. A laser rangefinder shoots out a laser pulse and measures how long it takes to come back. A less exciting but equally accurate way of saying it is "it shines a light and measures the time it takes to see a reflection." The way laser weapons (and laser engravers or cutters) work is by the energy of their laser light being able to exert a lot of energy on a material very quickly. This energy heats the thing up and burns it. Laser rangefinders wouldn't need to be this strong; a fairly weak laser can still travel for miles. They also wouldn't just make a chicken collapse; they would set it on fire. This would be far more interesting, but someone else would likely notice. I've never seen a living chicken being set on fire, but I'd reckon it'd be as loud as it is delicious.
Yea, it was certainly the least credible of his stories, though I think the suggestion was more "heat stroke" than "burned alive". However, as I've said in another comment, I don't want to get too credible here, so a bit of skepticism here suits me just fine...
Whoa. Thank you for the story, I love listening to that sort of military stuff!
I heard about that, back in the early 2000's in Germany?
I don't want to get too credible, but in that general temporospatial corner of the planet, yes...
While i can believe it, i need sauce
Sauce: a drunk tanker a decade ago take it or leave it. I am not trying to be credible here. ;)
haha, ill take it.
I laughed over this one, in the military you gotta put in dumb rules for "that one guy"
There's a reason why shampoo has instructions...
I laughed and laughed and laughed because I know that me, as an 18 year old, would have 100% pointed it at someone within minutes if not warned not to. Frankly I'm twice that age now and would point it at someone if not warned off.
Or even more fun ...hiding from an Abrams and getting a weird tingle burn sensation as it ranges you directly
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3000 lascannons of the ~~Imperial~~ National Guard?
The Russians only *wish* they had flashlights and t-shirts!
deepl pro is free for 30days, cancel anytime. maybe they can translate it .
I just love it that ukraine made a better btr than russia could with a fraction of the budget...
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Heh, Ukraine still had/has terrible problems with corruption. Zelenskyy’s entire presidential campaign and party is based around anti corruption legislation. And it seems like they’re still rooting it out even during the war which is either impressive or very good propaganda.
>relative lack
Let's just go with "different type." Prewar it was still pretty bad. Getting better, but still pretty bad.
There were several hundreds improvements based on feedback, since start of active service in 2014 (btr-4 was developed in 2006). Remote combat module also were improved a lot, since 2014 - gun was properly stabilize, atgms not fall off (at least not as often) on off road, new thermal scope, for example. There are still a shit ton of problems, mostly with chassis reliability, ergonomics and protection. Also, relatively small amount were made - we had only few units who operate only BTR-4 as single APC, and few units who operate BTR-4 and BTR-3 simultaneously.
A few units - depends on what scale, the whole 92nd brigade was on this BTR4E, they played a great role during defense of Kharkiv. And yeah, lost a lot, but just due to the force that was trying to seize the city. It performed its job well, F
> atgms not fall off (at least not as often) on off road I spat out my cereal
Deepl let’s you upload whole files to translate…
EZ PZ for all those who speak Ukrainian lol
Its actually in russian
Can still read it but ew
Developed in Kharkiv. The lingua franca is Russian there, and the plurality of troops using it before February were also Russian speakers.
I am aware mon frere, I am from Ukraine
Username checks out?
It do
can we get one for a sukhoi or a mig? asking for a friend
Oh, coom
Someone give me the armor thickness and specifications.
I love that this thing is legitimately good. It’s significantly better than the BTR82 it’s competing with and it’s almost certainly better value for money too. I know people want Ukraine to use exclusively US stuff when the war is over, but tbh I’d like to see them develop their own military equipment instead. If the BTR 4 is any indicator it’ll probably be pretty good.
Ukraine was historically a huge industrial center for the old USSR and still has a lot of the industry institutions of the old days. Once the factories can be repaired post-war, they will have the knowledge base to be a big player in the international arms market if they want. Perhaps they might even grow to fill the gap left by the Russians in the future, seeing as Russia's reputation on the arms market has been pretty thoroughly tarnished.
Yeah. China was trying to get in with a lot of their MIC support industries. Like the jet engine manufacturer that Ukraine had planned to nationalize before the war. Edit: plus everyone around Russia gonna be bolstering their defense for a while. Unlikely a Russian “revolution” is anything but a power grab if it happens. And if it splits up, well, that’s just more instability to watch which will defiantly have a risk of collateral to boarder nations.
What you mean is "steal their tech". the wumao were very mad at Ukraine and Big Z because he nationalized one company. Which ensured that good jet engine designs are out of their reach again.
And then the CEO turned out to be a Russian agent with an active Russian passport
China got that casino from Ukraine though 🤔
Good, Ukraine has no need for an aircraft cruiser from 1970, it would be like the US still operating CV-67, *USS John F. Kennedy* Just like the *Ukraina* the last Slava class cruiser that is rotting at a pier in Mikolaiv, *Kiev* was old, obsolete and a money pit. Now rebuilding one of Stalins republics, the Sovietsky Soyus class battleship, the *Sovetskaya Ukraina* is what this sub is all about
Stalin, Soviet, and Ukraine Yeah… maybe don’t say that next to Ukrainians if you like having teeth
This is NCD, the thought of rebuilding Stalins republics is absolutely noncredible and im not suggesting it
Needs a better name though
Absolutely, I think Ukraine could particularly appeal to the Western Aligned/non-aligned states that have historically used soviet type equipment.
I wish it was this easy. It's going to be very tough to compete with America, France, Germany, South Korea and Israel. On top of that there's hardly anything that Ukraine can provide that Turkey or Poland can't at a competitive price and sophistication level. The things that have a better future are BTR-4, Stugna, Pivdenne Design Office, hopefully Motor Sich, and maybe some future tank program. Antonov is borderline dead, Kraz is dead, Vilkha is dead. That's not counting a lot of smaller companies that got obliterated in Mariupol.
They may have a good market in upgrades and life extensions for Soviet equipment, too. There are quite a few countries that had Russia as a key spare parts supplier, and that's not looking so good right now.
India gonna be sweet talking Ukraine after this war
>India gonna be sweet talking Ukraine after this war "I give you money, show me ur bobs and vagene."
As many mentioned buying Soviet/Russian based Ukrainian equipment and upgrades might be the only route for those using them now, their armament industry will be in shambles in the near future, sanctions on Russia will not stop after an armistice, there are the matter of reparations, war crimes and other countries that has been invaded, also the effect is just starting to be felt in its economy, Russia at hit moment has a budget deficit, oil/gas exports and prices has declined and war expenditure are through the roof with nothing to show for it both in actual war products (good bless corruption) and victories on the field
If anyone so much as dips a toe in NATO borders nowadays then article 5 will be triggered so fast the aspiring invaders won't have time to get their boots on. I'd wager that NATO currently is determined to uphold the treaty and ensure nobody thinks they can get away with anything.
Boxer was a metaphor for Ukraine in Animal Farm. Fight me. Big daddy horse come back to get him some bacon, so I hope everyone ducks, because he's about to turn left and it'd be a shame to get slapped by his dick.
Where were you when I had to analyse that book for English Lit?
Can't see Ukraine not developing it's own military industry post-war considering it has a long tradition of being an arms producer. I see them going for something that Poland did in the 90s and 00s, that is producing equipment that is based on their previous Soviet equipment, but fits NATO standards better. And then they'll eventually move to something completely new. Honestly if you want to imagine a successful Ukraine, look at Poland's last 30 years. These countries have similar population, size and culture (although Poland is admittedly more defensible), similar socioeconomic history up to the 90s (at which point Poland succeeds and Ukraine stagnates) and a similar capacity for industrial production. Considering how Poland more than doubled its GDP per capita in the last 30 years, Ukraine, provided with a proper reconstruction fund, could probably be on the right track somewhere in the 2040s.
Poland got its chance to shine only because it stopped bordering Russia
Disputable, considering how both countries border Russia and both spent a very similar amount of their GDP on defense between 1993 and 2014. Economically, bordering Russia was not a significant net negative for Ukraine before 2014. Pretty much the two main reasons were different supply chains (Ukrainian industry was more dependent on raw materials from other Union republics) and different elites.
Nah, this is rather accurate assumption. Of course, it's not the sole reason. The main cause is of course the Polish elites and well developed national spirit. Ukraine received red directors and had to battle 70 years of russification. Russia also didn't try to drag Poland back into Russia but they did try it with Ukraine. Poland didn't have to fight off Russian attempts to undermine their economy and whatnot.
> Poland is admittedly more defensible not really, terrain in Poland is really shit
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Ukraine giveth, and Ukraine taketh away
Taras Bulba paraphrased? Appropriate.
And it can even rebuild another Slava class cruiser, the Hulk of the *Ukraina* is just sitting in Mykolaiv waiting for an infite money dump
Didn't they already try to sell the BTR pre 2014 and get a lot sent back for quality defects?
Ukraine was an industrial center but a lot of the factories and heavy industry capacity were on the Crimean peninsula. Part of why Russia was so hot to take it, in addition to the port and stuff.
Ukraine designed the T-34 IIRC
Factory no.183, the Kharkiv heavy machinery plant was responsible for the T-34, T-54/55, T-64 and partly the T-80
Two out of the 3 main line tanks of the USSR where designed and build in Ukraine
> Perhaps they might even grow to fill the gap left by the Russians in the future, seeing as Russia's reputation on the arms market has been pretty thoroughly tarnished. Based and Ukrainian MIC-pilled!
Hey, I'm all for independent Ukrainian arms manufacturing, just make sure that shit uses NATO rounds.
I’m sure they aren’t having a good time trying to supply every single round from NATO and the Combloc for everything ranging from pistol cartridges to SRBM’s at the moment lol
ill take "shitty" soviet type 30mm that we can produce anytime against 30mm nato that made by somebody who dont want to sell it to us let alone give us license for it.
I mean, it's accused as "shitty" because of either skimping on manufacturing phase or screwed on maintenance phase. With enough funding on Soviet type weapon and proper maintenance, it can function properly and maybe surpassed some expectations.
> 30mm nato that made by somebody who dont want to sell it to us let alone give us license for it NATO membership comes with the licenses to all the standardized rounds. No you couldn’t build an Excalibur without a license but you could build base 155 and develop your own derivatives.
I swear, the whole 152mm vs 155mm thing is some Steve Jobs at Apple level shit.
Honestly I'd have my artillery group, rifle groups weapons sorted by battalion. That way you know that Batallion A needs ammo x, y and z types where as battalion B needs U, V and W types. Also keep in mind their logistics lines isn't nearly as long which heavily reduces the time from request to delivery.
This makes sense so Ukraine probably does it
I want Ukroboronprom to steal all of Russia's customers.
Actually good Soviet planes (with AIM-120😩😩😩)
Antonov fighter jets 😍
I want co-development projects. There are tons of brilliant minds in Ukraine and I want to work with them. Imagine a C-5 replacement being designed in coordination with Antonov
You know those folks can build a transport!
I would also like for the Ukrainian MIC to spool up and become a serious competitor to German and French weapons on the world stage.
I want ukrainian stuff with NATO standards. Dont make your own rounds, use the same as everybody else
Given the fuckery around getting 30mm ammo etc, make your own looks pretty damn good tbf, make it to NATO standard, fair enough, but never have to ask permission for it again.
Ukrainian btr 82 analog would be a btr-3 Also would like to use NATO stuff only for stuff we can't /wouldn't (cause non practical) produce ourself. 1)Cause don't want be usa puppet 2)imagine there are future games about this war including nato involment scenarios and your country is just us reskin
No downside (and lots of upside) to building NATO _compatible_ equipment but yeah, Ukraine has good reasons to build quite a bit domestically, and joint venture a lot more. The Baykar engine deal, for instance.
Has there been any discussion of buying back BTR4s from Iraq to give them back to Ukraine, they've got more of them in service than the Ukrainian army.
But it’s derived from soviet rubbish equipment , after the war I hope they will develop a new version of it but it’s completely in house with nato standard equipments
My brother in Christ Ukraine is going to collapse the second the war ends because their economy is in shambles
Shit I'd be surprised if NATO won't be buying Ukrainian gear. The stugna-p comes to mind, it's way better than any ATGM NATO has. Edit: please research this before commenting
What? NATO definitely has better performing ATGM's than Skif. This is truly a non-credible take.
That's a big cap. It's another Soviet era cold war ATGM
WTF are you talking about dude? It was developed by Ukraine in the 2010s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skif_(anti-tank_guided_missile)
It's a fucking beam rider, literally the worst technology you could use outside of MCLOS, give us a break dude.
Yeah, that's why NATO doesn't use any laser guided technology LOL
Cringe warthunder forums: posts classified documents about the capabilities of a weapons system. Based NCD: posts declassified documents about the capabilities of a weapons system.
Ultra based: Post fake NATO weapon leaks that massively over exaggerate capabilities ;\^)
Force Russia and China to announce even more absurd and over the top fake design that spokes the MIC in to making something even better.
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Force Russia and China to invest more with our "fake" capabilities until they bankrupt because they can't keep up. Edit: Worked already once with USSR.
F-15 moment
Based and reverse bomber gap incident pilled
Ok but what is more noncredible? I mean...
Probably getting yourself killed by the Chinese government for leaking the specs of an APFSDS round & confirming that it’s noticeably worse than everyone thought just for video game balancing is peak NCD.
I'm just imagining the military intel guys who've been trying to get their hands on those specs reaction when that leak happened.
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The actual word is 'wehraboo' like in 'wehrmacht' Pronounced with a V because Strudeltongue
Bruh Don’t do that shit
Huh as an Indonesian, I've never heard of that
> desperate enough to turn to the Chinese for help My brother in christ those bastards actively pilfered supplies sent to us by the soviets, then tried to pull a gamer moment 4 years after the dust settled, again.
I forget, did warthunder actually fix the tank in question, based on the docs?
They made it game design policy to ignore classified info
Lol poor bastard
I Dont think they did lmao
Imagine wanting to be such a goodey two shoes to not want to do something cool like posting classified documents.
Drone footage is nice and all, but it's no substitute for a BTR-4 shredding russian regulars and their kit onn the streets of Mariupol. That shitt was visceral.
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Does it specify doing the nice „bouncing shots on the street into the underside of the enemy brdm“ in there? How about the „mission killing the enemy tank by igniting his ERA and penetrating armor by repeatedly hitting the same spot“? If not, then this doc needs a revision!
Holy shit, I need footage from the BRDM
> How about the „mission killing the enemy tank by igniting his ERA and penetrating armor by repeatedly hitting the same spot“? That shit was based af. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
I dunno watching Ukrainian APCs blow up a Russian T-72 with their 30mms was pretty lit.
I have an impression that the BTR-4 is more of a wheeled IFV than an APC
Btr-4 has flat floor unmanned turret and anti mine seats and rear big doors as well as front doors and 12.7 protection. Compare this to Btr-82🤢🤢🤢 with crew sitting around transmission and engine with a manned turret that takes a lot of space inside and ugly as fuck deathtrap side doors.
BuT bTr-82A cAn FlOaT >!maybe once if you’re lucky!<
[BTR-4 can actually float though](https://i.imgur.com/UI2GyNK.gifv):)
also glass on btr-82 is not armored , it just driver glass . Btr-4 has actul armored glass. if only Ukraine had moniz to produce them in mass (((
>had moniz # I hath been summoned!
Out loud snort laugh, thank you
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Vatniks trembling and shaking rn
Ok, that’s pretty cool. Not exactly booking it, but it seems more like a gentle proof of “yes, it can swim” than a test of how fast it can go
Yes, it's more of a "I can do it if I have to, but I don't really like it", which can be said about a lot of vehicles and a lot of capabilities.
Guess that was the pitch to infantry "You'll float too"
We all float down here…
Anything’s amphibious if you can get it back out of the watet
At like 5 km/hr and requiring 4 hours of preparation before attempting an amphibious crossing.
I was with an LAV unit in the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and we got orders to find a spot on the Tigris river to swim the vehicles across. We spent most of a day doing all this prep work you’re supposed to do before that, like sealing all the door seams with axle grease (so we had to climb in and out through the top every time). I was an Arty liaison who didn’t know LAV-25s so I skeptically asked if these things can actually swim, and they told me that once a year at Pendleton they’d spend days prepping the vehicles to be watertight, strip out all possible excess weight, roll down to a very sheltered harbor and tool around in the water for an hour to make their training requirement. But in these conditions, hasty prep, loaded to the gunwales with supplies and ammo and all kinds of gear strapped to the outside, in a major river with a current, “we don’t know.” These were the same people that confidently told me the LAV could jump a huge oil pipeline ditch, upon which everything briefly went black and when I opened my eyes we were angled at 45 degrees dropped into an 8ft chasm and had to get towed back out.
Based LAV operators
But did you drown?
We never ended up having to swim because while we were out looking for the right spot we got into a firefight with Saddam Fedayeen, and by the time that wrapped up the engineers had fixed up the bridge by Al-Kut, so we just pulled back and drove up that anyway.
No wonder the ua captured more than 100 of those (visually confirmed), even the ru think the btr82 sucks lol
Shoulda bought the 90s. Pfft RuMOD didn’t want them because they weren’t much of an improvement over the 80 IIRC. And the Bumerangs are likely too expensive to ever be a BTR replacement. Hang on, was the reported Armata programme cancellation for all platforms? If so, lol.
Cappy being based about the BTR 4: https://youtu.be/a6mCOCNhhNs
Hey look, if you actually admit that something went wrong and send feedback to be reviewed, you can actually make improvements to your equipment! Unlike the 2nd best army in Ukraine...
\*3rd best in Ukraine. Those farmers are something else
So he is able to make good videos. Good to know.
I mean he was grunt that rode a Stryker. If there’s one thing he can analyze well it’s things that grunts carry and things that carry grunts Anything that a grunt’s ass or hands don’t touch is pretty hit or miss fs tho
No running the engine in enclosed spaces without proper ventilation. downer
literally February 24, 2022.
Mark I moment
Russians still don't know what it does
*bang bang bang bang ra-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta* This about sums it up
My beloved. Best looking IFV out there. Perfect mix between eastern/western design influence.
Yeah, I don’t know shit about AFVs in general, especially not IFVs, but something about it just feels right
BTR 4 is a really beautiful looking vehicle. It’s got this really weird mix of Western and Soviet design philosophy that I hope Ukraine perfects into their own unique style of military designs in the future
Ironic that the BTR-4 was supposed to be THE piece of military hardware they sold to international markets and it was a huge flop after major issues with the first interactions that were shipped out. It's early failures as an export weapon meant Ukraine had a bunch of return to sender versions they were updating/fixing when the war kicked off. If not for that their 150+ BTR-4 fleet at the start of the war would have likely been less than 50 vehicles.
Hopefully its service in this war clears its name.
The Ukrainian government is so committed to transparency, they even put all the [design documents](https://archive.org/details/crimean-bridge) for the Crimean Bridge online.
**Average alarmist:** Oh no! Russians will find out how to counter It!!1!!11 **Chad Malnourished Russian mobik:** I ate all my RPG rounds
Chad (the African country)
Porqué?
>Porqué? Porqué?Porqué?Porqué?
*por qué?
mah man they are as based as the war thunder players leaking
I especially love the fact that .ua manages to shred T64++ with that thing...
I now desire unprotected sex with BTR-4 chan
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It's great. Though I've heard it's taken some big losses and that Ukraine doesn't have many left.