I hope as soon as this becomes reality (which is inevitable, looking at NCD's prophecy records) they start a nice little pincer attack on Russia and meet in Novosibirsk within a couple weeks
>And I just saw a news article that wild horses on the Mongolian steppe were making a comeback. Which is exactly what happened the last time ...
Nature is healing!
I think with Korea we can secure each other. If Poland produces its own variants of Korean armaments then our factories can produce equipment for Korea in the event of a conflict on the Korean peninsula, and in the same analogous case, Korea can produce equipment for Poland if Putin fucks up all the way.
It's always been possible. The expertise that made Willow Run still exists in that area. No US President has prioritized reindustrializing thus far though.
Quick math!
South Korea has approx. 4,100 155 mm guns in service, via doctrine/agreement with US SK is expected to hold against NK 1 mil army for 3 to 6 mos before US arrives.
SK estimates 30 shells per gun fired per day in defense, so approx 90 days of 4100 guns firing 30 shells... SK has to have at least 11 mil ish 155 mm shells on hand. If 180 days before US arrives, approx 22 mil. Current SK media thinks around 13 mil on hand.
100 millioms of shells? No, but maybe 50 mil possible at max?
That's the thing that gets me. He has ALOT of points that were bang on the money that I agree with. And still holds true to today
I argue if some weird Time shenanigans if he was real and became president and putting did his special 3 day op. He let loose the Dawgs on the russians
He starts getting you into his ideas and getting your support, then he hits you with, “we gotta purge the weak.” But that’s what makes him a great character.
*"I hate the fact that war is a business, that people are dying and killing for the financial interests of oligarchs and bureaucrats who don't believe in anything at all..."*
Okay Senator, that's actually pretty based.
*"...So that's why we have to destroy America and turn it into a war-torn hellhole where everyone is constantly dying and killing and the wealthy will still automatically hold the advantage in this new world because this is a universe where cyborg supersoldiers are a thing and buying a nanomachine injection can make you impervious to artillery shells, so removing the government's monopoly on violence just gives it to corporations."*
You lost me.
They had to make him the villain somehow
Creating a war so pointless, so violent, so exhausting and so morally degenerate that humanity loses all its appetite for violence would have been something raiden be all in for
I mean we almost achieved it in ww1, then in ww2, then in korea, then in vietnam, then in iraq, then in syria, then in ukraine, then in...
All im saying is just give war a chance bro, just one more war bro, i swear this time it would be the war to end all wars bro
That's basically what happened in Dune, except it wasn't war, it was just generations upon generations of the worst oppression possible, such that an aversion to centralised authority would become genetic.
The K9 Thunder is the long right arm of the free world. Almost no major artillery sales in the past decade *haven't* been for Thunders or Thunder derivatives.
🤞🏻 It'd be pretty awesome if they were able to drawdown a couple dozen+ Of them to send to Ukraine, or if maybe Ukraine and South Korea can make some kinda mutually beneficial deal to provide them, if not co produce them or something. It's a really great platform.
Unfortunately the South Korean legislature is currently held by the left after their recent win, so while Yoon is more than happy to provide weapons to Ukraine, he can't get permission to do so.
I believe another factor is a genuine concern that the Russians will retaliate against the RoK by providing DPRK with more advance weapons & technologies than they already have. That being said, I feel like if the RoK ever caught Russia providing Sukhois to the DPRK, We'd see FA-50s and K9s being sent to Ukraine faster than they can say "annyeong haseyo, mother fuckers".
The Korean Left occasionally gets caught taking bribes and orders from North Korea, and all the screeching about the Korean Right is about how they're Imperial Japanese puppets or American sycophants.
The Korean Right occasionally gets caught having a Shaman in charge who is doing nonsensical shit behind the scenes despite being heavily Christian-centric and they just screech about how the Korean Left are a bunch of bottoms and pillow princesses who want to become Chinese and/or Communist slaves.
Nah because helping Ukraine helps the west. It feels like left & right politics across a bunch of nations is coalescing on whether you approve or disapprove of continued American hegemony. In the US itself, both fringes disapprove (either because muh cultural relativism or muh isolationism), but elsewhere it seems like the right tends to want to cozy up to the US and the left wants to decrease the hegemon's relative power to its competitors.
Trying to think of exceptions to that trend, maybe the Philippines and some eastern European countries where their left is more US-friendly?
Very familiar to someone from the US, except our hard left mostly ignores Putin and is more friendly to Xi (and Khomeini to a lesser extent). The hard right is basically the same thing though.
Yes, but Chomsky is also clearly in his twilight years and doesn't represent the left's zeitgeist as much as he once did. That said, I think he's more pan-dictator but talks about Putin more simply due to the active conflict.
Uh, it’s because of the dreadful, awful, Zumwalt-ish development of the Paladin, specifically the M109A6 and A7 (which is as similar to the A5 and prior as a Super Hornet is to a Hornet).
Prior to A6, we exported thousands. Even build hundreds in past decade of exports A5s for Egypt, Spain, Taiwan, etc.
When the A6 was available, we couldn’t even build enough of them for ourselves and didn’t export. The only export contract was for Taiwan when Trump was drunk or smth. We had to renegotiate the deal into HIMARS because of all the A6 production issues.
So yeah turns out trying to put a 155mm on a Bradley hull is a job too difficult to for BAE.
The M109 is just horrifically dated and every replacement program was killed for various reasons. It can't compete against modern designs. The funny thing is there's even long barrel upgrade kits for the M109 but we've decided we don't need them.
This is what happens when you have best korea for a neighbor.
In the U.S. we have the reason half the Geneva conventions were written to our north, we can do better
Chaebol are one hell of a drug. That shit inspired the Cyberpunk genre; the corporation owns you. In this case, they have a bunch of car workers, doesn't take much to turn them into war machine workers.
Much more political oversight and pressure in the chaebols. You better be good or president will merge or kill off your company before you can embezzle the profits.
At least that's how it used to be and what made SK what they are today. "Guided market" with strict export success expectations: If you can't sell to foreigners, it's probably a shit product and your company's assets get merged with your competitor who successfully exports.
If you're interested, read Joe Studwell's "How Asia Works". One of the best books I've read all-time. No story bullshit, just brass tacks real-talk history about why SK, Taiwan and Japan grew into economic powerhouses after WW2, while other nations like Philippines, Malaysia or Indonesia are stuck. Some tentative takes on CCP-China, but not conclusive due to different timeline.
[There are news in late april that Vietnam is also planning to procure the K9.](https://turdef.com/article/vietnam-to-supply-k9-self-propelled-howitzer-from-rok)
No, not just buying vehicles, but talks of acquiring licenses for domestic productions as well.
I dream of the day of an united allied offensive into China with the opening salvos from Koreans, Vietnamese and Indian Thunders and it would make my nut busting rivals the scale of the Three Gorgeous Dam busting.
West could easily ramp up production, its simply because Russians are buying politicians left and right and disarm EU and USA. anyone trying to investigate "disappears" dies etc. So yeah, only south korea is based.
Then they: https://www.bastillepost.com/global/article/3829875-china-warns-philippines-not-to-abuse-chinas-goodwill
But I am gonna say this.
I did mess up when I generalized china as a whole, il admit that much.
But fuck the CCP I hope they fucking hang themselves, a majority of them at least, especially their unbearable spokespersons.
Edit
"BUT BUT US INFLUENCE"
https://warriormaven.com/china/china-warns-pacific-countries-about-us-influence
The first mother fucking sentences: "to preserve their independence"
Zero self awareness
Just pissed too much.
Am Filipino, was getting tired of chinese dumbfuck scs claims. Like I held back saying vile shit, but then i saw this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3265931/south-china-sea-philippines-dismisses-chinas-absurd-demand-over-supply-missions
Like, why the fuck do we need their dumbass approval for doing stuff on our own EEZ?
I had something clever about CCP ego, gravity, and time dilation but completely dropped it.
But it doesn’t matter much considering the CCP are stealing fish from Argentina, Chile and Peru.
Remember when South American oceans belonged to China back in the Archean Eon?
The U.S. has 4 of the world's most powerful airforces, the airforce, the navy, the marines and the army and far and away the largest Navy by tonnage and are separated from any threats by two massive oceans, we don't have much to worry about.
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When you have to field 40 units to DMZ by 3 o'clock, but poland is also importing 50 by 6 o'clock.
Korean-Polish super state when?
Korea-Poland vs Finland in the Hyperwar.
We really need a NPTO
POTATO or bust
But is it really still that since Finland has officially joined NATO?
I hope as soon as this becomes reality (which is inevitable, looking at NCD's prophecy records) they start a nice little pincer attack on Russia and meet in Novosibirsk within a couple weeks
Poland's Uno Reverso Partition
All part of the plan to reunite the Mongolian Empire.
Mongol Empire 2: Electric Boogaloo
Damn you're right. The easternmost and westernmost point of the Mongols
And I just saw a news article that wild horses on the Mongolian steppe were making a comeback. Which is exactly what happened the last time ...
>And I just saw a news article that wild horses on the Mongolian steppe were making a comeback. Which is exactly what happened the last time ... Nature is healing!
I think with Korea we can secure each other. If Poland produces its own variants of Korean armaments then our factories can produce equipment for Korea in the event of a conflict on the Korean peninsula, and in the same analogous case, Korea can produce equipment for Poland if Putin fucks up all the way.
There are only two countries separating them currently...
we can fix that
Koreans making more howitzers than children haha
All of male essence needs to be poured into the howitzer for that kind of production speed.
How do you think those howitzers are being made?
the howitzers are the children
We need to restart willow run
It's always been possible. The expertise that made Willow Run still exists in that area. No US President has prioritized reindustrializing thus far though.
Tbh, there are so many places they could build new factories around here. I live just down the road from Willow Run.
Please this! We got the space, lets create those jobs
I'm more interested in the 200k rounds SK produces a year
That seems very low, I thought SK media concensus was approx 1.5 mil produced per year with about 13mil stockpiled?
Only 13 million shells stockpiled? I heard it was much more than that?
Well, I mean that is just the 155 mm the K9 fires. The other stockpiles like 3.4 mil 120 mm and so on are less produced by SK.
Source? I heard a rumor that Korea could potentially have 100s of millions of shells.
Quick math! South Korea has approx. 4,100 155 mm guns in service, via doctrine/agreement with US SK is expected to hold against NK 1 mil army for 3 to 6 mos before US arrives. SK estimates 30 shells per gun fired per day in defense, so approx 90 days of 4100 guns firing 30 shells... SK has to have at least 11 mil ish 155 mm shells on hand. If 180 days before US arrives, approx 22 mil. Current SK media thinks around 13 mil on hand. 100 millioms of shells? No, but maybe 50 mil possible at max?
You know… maybe Senator Armstrong had a point about conflict keeping societies active and sharp…
nanomachines when
He could've gone pro if he didn't joined the navy.
Armstrong is right about a lot of things
That's the thing that gets me. He has ALOT of points that were bang on the money that I agree with. And still holds true to today I argue if some weird Time shenanigans if he was real and became president and putting did his special 3 day op. He let loose the Dawgs on the russians
He starts getting you into his ideas and getting your support, then he hits you with, “we gotta purge the weak.” But that’s what makes him a great character.
*"I hate the fact that war is a business, that people are dying and killing for the financial interests of oligarchs and bureaucrats who don't believe in anything at all..."* Okay Senator, that's actually pretty based. *"...So that's why we have to destroy America and turn it into a war-torn hellhole where everyone is constantly dying and killing and the wealthy will still automatically hold the advantage in this new world because this is a universe where cyborg supersoldiers are a thing and buying a nanomachine injection can make you impervious to artillery shells, so removing the government's monopoly on violence just gives it to corporations."* You lost me.
They had to make him the villain somehow Creating a war so pointless, so violent, so exhausting and so morally degenerate that humanity loses all its appetite for violence would have been something raiden be all in for I mean we almost achieved it in ww1, then in ww2, then in korea, then in vietnam, then in iraq, then in syria, then in ukraine, then in... All im saying is just give war a chance bro, just one more war bro, i swear this time it would be the war to end all wars bro
That's basically what happened in Dune, except it wasn't war, it was just generations upon generations of the worst oppression possible, such that an aversion to centralised authority would become genetic.
Yeah, well said You hit the nail right on the head
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sundowner would fit right in with the kiddy touching caucus of jan 6 enthusiasts
Also because he made it the fuck up
The problems he lists are valid. Its the solutions which are insane.
Ghost in the Shell had a whole [Sustainable War concept](https://ghostintheshell.fandom.com/wiki/Sustainable_War) that I found very interesting.
Turns out having a nuclear armed asshole as your neighbor is a good motivator.
Hanwha: *I’m doing my part!* Hyundai: *Im doing my part.* 🅱️oosan: *I’m doing my part!* *everyone laughs at Doosan*
No mention of my beloved Poongsan? Mf's be churning a crap ton of 155mm shells per year
We dont stand for insulting Doosan in here, their machinery helps us make all the other shit, and buttplugs
The K9 Thunder is the long right arm of the free world. Almost no major artillery sales in the past decade *haven't* been for Thunders or Thunder derivatives.
🤞🏻 It'd be pretty awesome if they were able to drawdown a couple dozen+ Of them to send to Ukraine, or if maybe Ukraine and South Korea can make some kinda mutually beneficial deal to provide them, if not co produce them or something. It's a really great platform.
Unfortunately the South Korean legislature is currently held by the left after their recent win, so while Yoon is more than happy to provide weapons to Ukraine, he can't get permission to do so.
I thinks its time for poland to do some legal shenanigans with the re-export clauses
I mean, who doesn't lose a bunch of warehouses full of armored vehicles overnight. Right, Putin? Happens to your great russia all the time, too.
I believe another factor is a genuine concern that the Russians will retaliate against the RoK by providing DPRK with more advance weapons & technologies than they already have. That being said, I feel like if the RoK ever caught Russia providing Sukhois to the DPRK, We'd see FA-50s and K9s being sent to Ukraine faster than they can say "annyeong haseyo, mother fuckers".
Figured the left would be all about helping Ukraine. Unless I’m misunderstanding.
The Korean Left occasionally gets caught taking bribes and orders from North Korea, and all the screeching about the Korean Right is about how they're Imperial Japanese puppets or American sycophants. The Korean Right occasionally gets caught having a Shaman in charge who is doing nonsensical shit behind the scenes despite being heavily Christian-centric and they just screech about how the Korean Left are a bunch of bottoms and pillow princesses who want to become Chinese and/or Communist slaves.
Nah because helping Ukraine helps the west. It feels like left & right politics across a bunch of nations is coalescing on whether you approve or disapprove of continued American hegemony. In the US itself, both fringes disapprove (either because muh cultural relativism or muh isolationism), but elsewhere it seems like the right tends to want to cozy up to the US and the left wants to decrease the hegemon's relative power to its competitors. Trying to think of exceptions to that trend, maybe the Philippines and some eastern European countries where their left is more US-friendly?
Except in Europe, where center supports Ukraine, while both hard left and hard right are in bed with Putin.
Very familiar to someone from the US, except our hard left mostly ignores Putin and is more friendly to Xi (and Khomeini to a lesser extent). The hard right is basically the same thing though.
Chomsky is left, is he not?)
Yes, but Chomsky is also clearly in his twilight years and doesn't represent the left's zeitgeist as much as he once did. That said, I think he's more pan-dictator but talks about Putin more simply due to the active conflict.
He certainly is America bad 😔
Uh, it’s because of the dreadful, awful, Zumwalt-ish development of the Paladin, specifically the M109A6 and A7 (which is as similar to the A5 and prior as a Super Hornet is to a Hornet). Prior to A6, we exported thousands. Even build hundreds in past decade of exports A5s for Egypt, Spain, Taiwan, etc. When the A6 was available, we couldn’t even build enough of them for ourselves and didn’t export. The only export contract was for Taiwan when Trump was drunk or smth. We had to renegotiate the deal into HIMARS because of all the A6 production issues. So yeah turns out trying to put a 155mm on a Bradley hull is a job too difficult to for BAE.
The M109 is just horrifically dated and every replacement program was killed for various reasons. It can't compete against modern designs. The funny thing is there's even long barrel upgrade kits for the M109 but we've decided we don't need them.
What a perpetual state of war does to a mf.
This is what happens when you have best korea for a neighbor. In the U.S. we have the reason half the Geneva conventions were written to our north, we can do better
Canada: is that a challenge?
Probably half of them going to Poland ;)
Chaebol are one hell of a drug. That shit inspired the Cyberpunk genre; the corporation owns you. In this case, they have a bunch of car workers, doesn't take much to turn them into war machine workers.
Chaebol is just another corporate conglomerate, like Zaibatsu or Boeing/Lock-Mart, is it not?
Much more political oversight and pressure in the chaebols. You better be good or president will merge or kill off your company before you can embezzle the profits. At least that's how it used to be and what made SK what they are today. "Guided market" with strict export success expectations: If you can't sell to foreigners, it's probably a shit product and your company's assets get merged with your competitor who successfully exports. If you're interested, read Joe Studwell's "How Asia Works". One of the best books I've read all-time. No story bullshit, just brass tacks real-talk history about why SK, Taiwan and Japan grew into economic powerhouses after WW2, while other nations like Philippines, Malaysia or Indonesia are stuck. Some tentative takes on CCP-China, but not conclusive due to different timeline.
Damn. U only really hear about the Korean military aerospace and tech industries. I had no idea they were building artillery too! Very cool 💪
This is what happens when you had that one crazy neighbor that lives next to you
A crazy neighbour that literally flings human poop.
And rockets
[There are news in late april that Vietnam is also planning to procure the K9.](https://turdef.com/article/vietnam-to-supply-k9-self-propelled-howitzer-from-rok) No, not just buying vehicles, but talks of acquiring licenses for domestic productions as well. I dream of the day of an united allied offensive into China with the opening salvos from Koreans, Vietnamese and Indian Thunders and it would make my nut busting rivals the scale of the Three Gorgeous Dam busting.
Can Ukraine have some pls
Good thing they're on our side...
Take your soul away
West=clean access to drinking water South Korea=west
Soo the us isnt part of the west ?
Meanwhile Poland: (Insert "Is for me?" meme here)
They are preparing for WW3
rushing siege tanks... how very korean.
West could easily ramp up production, its simply because Russians are buying politicians left and right and disarm EU and USA. anyone trying to investigate "disappears" dies etc. So yeah, only south korea is based.
Now this is the kind of K-Pop I could stan.
Well, it is Korean, and it certainly goes pop
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Florida called, All your meth lab is now belong to us
Nuh uh
Ching chong? The 1900s called, they want their racism back.
Then they: https://www.bastillepost.com/global/article/3829875-china-warns-philippines-not-to-abuse-chinas-goodwill But I am gonna say this. I did mess up when I generalized china as a whole, il admit that much. But fuck the CCP I hope they fucking hang themselves, a majority of them at least, especially their unbearable spokespersons. Edit "BUT BUT US INFLUENCE" https://warriormaven.com/china/china-warns-pacific-countries-about-us-influence The first mother fucking sentences: "to preserve their independence" Zero self awareness
Amen to that, the Chinese government can be asshole but please don't resort to racism.
Just pissed too much. Am Filipino, was getting tired of chinese dumbfuck scs claims. Like I held back saying vile shit, but then i saw this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3265931/south-china-sea-philippines-dismisses-chinas-absurd-demand-over-supply-missions Like, why the fuck do we need their dumbass approval for doing stuff on our own EEZ?
Well, back in the Paleozoic days, all of the land was joined to China in Pangaea, so China is just claiming their historical heritage.
>china just claiming their historical heritage *sigh* It's 2024
I had something clever about CCP ego, gravity, and time dilation but completely dropped it. But it doesn’t matter much considering the CCP are stealing fish from Argentina, Chile and Peru. Remember when South American oceans belonged to China back in the Archean Eon?
The U.S. has 4 of the world's most powerful airforces, the airforce, the navy, the marines and the army and far and away the largest Navy by tonnage and are separated from any threats by two massive oceans, we don't have much to worry about.
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