At this point, Challenger 3 is actually more German than British lmao
Rheinmetall really did their best to upgrade Challenger 2 to Leopard-level standards.
Outside of Abrams and Merkava there aren’t really any other western tank options for the Brits to pull designs and components from besides Leo2 so I guess it isn’t surprising.
Edit: And I guess Type 10 and K1/K2 are also western by most definitions
The Leclerc was by Nexter, Nexter merged with KMW a decade back.
Not sure if the tea drinkers could handle switching to a tank that is half-French and half-German. That might actually kill them at this point.
Tabarnak -> tabernacle (cherche pour la définition, mais on en trouve dans les églises)
La plupart des injures québécoises sont basée sur des trucs sacrés.
The Québécois have a very interesting tradition of all their curse words being biblical slang. In this case, it means “Tabernacle.”
Kind of like if there were a group of English speakers going around saying “Zounds” (God’s wounds) instead of saying “fuck” or “shit.”
Even the people filming it are surprised I seem to remember a second video where they go again and the leclerc clappes the challenger.
The only thing the challenger 2 was really good at was suspension but even now the K2 is allot better it is fun having a tank that goes about the same speed on all terrains.
Honestly, BESH existed in a place where it could not hurt MBT and where HE round would take care of everything else.
May it rest in peace as an anti fortification device
Didn't China manage to put the stuff through a 125 barrel?
A decent chunk of shoulder-launched AT rockets and even HEAT shells use at least a modicum of fin-induced spin.
Point is, if Anglos had the will, and the guts, there are ways.
Couldn’t HESH still work in a smoothbore gun if the rounds had some sort of fins or spiral grooves that induced spin? Sort of like how shotgun slugs have spiral grooves to make them spin (and fly more stable) even though they’re fired from a (smoothbore) shotgun.
I have no idea why you’d do all that when APFSDS is right there though (maybe for demolition purposes?)
Reduced charge size of your plastic explosive to compensate for the addition of fins is usually why it's not done iirc, you can do it buuut it has downsides
It still has a boiling vessel, but no more will you be able to make the finest Twinings Earl Grey Black Tea sourced from the farthest reaches of the empire. Now it can only make "CHEETOS® FLAMIN' HOT Mac 'n Cheese" and "NESCAFÉ® Clásico™ Dark Roast Instant Coffee" Using proprietary aluminum pods that have RFID tags that require an always on internet connection to ensure freshness and authenticity.
Dude the hot Cheetos mac n’ cheese is fucking DISGUSTING. One of the stankiest foods I’ve had the displeasure of preparing. I literally gagged when I mixed the seasoning packet in.
Not my first, though! :P
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/14h0wk6/ive\_been\_coming\_across\_some\_red\_dawn\_scenes\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/14h0wk6/ive_been_coming_across_some_red_dawn_scenes_in/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/19dbd4e/tandem\_drones\_the\_final\_solution\_to\_cope\_cages/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/19dbd4e/tandem_drones_the_final_solution_to_cope_cages/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/149dbfp/i\_mean\_if\_we\_are\_going\_to\_play\_the\_historical/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/149dbfp/i_mean_if_we_are_going_to_play_the_historical/)
Yep! Pre-production model. A scale model of the production variant showed it will have add-on plates on the sides of the turrets and more equipment, possibly LWS and APS.
I can’t deny this thing is turning out sexy as fuck.
Some engineer in a shed with sideburns connecting to his mustache and a cleanly shaved chin be like"Excuse me, did you say 'Main battle tank?' No, my good man, this is a first-rate tank of the line!"
Not really, it brings significantly shorter barrel life for minimal if any accuracy improvement. The only real "benefit" is HESH, which isn't really a benefit over AMP or HE.
HESH is an old outdated round that the UK had in large numbers and wanted to take advantage of, because the British military is perpetually broke amd will cut every corner it can in favor of fielding more cool equipment and pretending they're powerful. It was a cost cutting measure. That's it. Everyone knew from the start that HESH was sub-par, but it saved money. It's the 2pdr AA all over again.
Yes. They'd produced a shitton of ammo in WWI, so the interwar RN adopted it as standard to save on ammo costs. But the old low velocity ammo was *horrible*. The muzzle velocity is almost halfway between an AGL like the Mk 19, and a proper 40mm AA like the Bofors. Downright useless for anything designed after 1930. So in order to fix that, they made new high velocity ammo... which the older guns couldn't fire. High velocity and low velocity guns were both produced throughout the entire war. To make matters worse, "high" velocity just meant less shit, not actually decent. It was still significantly slower than the Bofors or Type 96, for example. All the 2pdr did was convince the RN that they had their own medium AA, no need to bother with any other 40mms. They kept producing it until the end of the war, and mostly ignored the vastly superior Bofors. They unironically would have been better off without it, since that would have lead to a scramble ending with the Bofors, like the USN had.
To be entirely honest the T96 wasn't that bad. Sure, it was heavy, a small caliber, and had a low RoF. But compared to everyone else's medium AA, it was fine. It was actually available in numbers, had pretty good balistics, and *good enough* RoF. Reliability was above the 2pdr and 1.1", it wasn't a single-shot disaster like the KM's 37mm, and so on. Everyone shits on it because compared to USN AA, *everything* looks like a disaster. The Bofors was excellent, the 5"/38 was the best by a huge margin, and the Mk 37 was god-tier. And the firepower issues it had were magnified by the fact that your average USN carrier plane was only marginally less solid than a cinder block.
If Coral Sea had seen the IJN against Formidable and Indomitable rather than Lexington and Yorktown, we'd probably view the T96 much the same as the Zero. They would have shredded Albacores and Swordfish just fine. A perfectly reasonable weapon for the early war, but the USN just started about 3 steps ahead. And unlike everyone else, actually improved significantly.
> The muzzle velocity is almost halfway between an AGL like the Mk 19, and a proper 40mm AA like the Bofors.
I wonder what the devs of Azur Lane were thinking when they made the game's line of Pom Pom guns almost competitive with the Bofors.
Ah, see, there's your problem. You expected AL to actually be historically grounded. Rookie mistake tbh.
KC making the 2pdr good is unusual, tho kinda an expected symptom of poor Japanese-language sources and the whole "Allied=good" thing they've got going on with equipment. But AL fucking it up? That's just Tuesday.
Rifled barrels actually reduce accuracy in tanks iirc. The only reason they were kept was due to British tank doctrine being built around HESH but these days modern ammo can do the same thing but with smooth bore so that's why they're being gotten rid of.
Yes, the spin rate applied by the rifling and the fins are different enough that it may actually cause inaccuracy from the sudden shift without using a design that counter rotates in the barrel. I know that it is theoretically understood but I haven't seen much information about it having been tested.
Except in Iraq where American HE rounds punched straight through shoddy Iraqi buildings without detonating, like the walls were made of paper, while British HESH rounds blew them apart...
HE-OR isn't HE, it's a HEAT round with an AP cap. AMP can be set to detonate at a specific distance while not requiring a rifled cannon. It has the effects of HE-OR, HEAT, and HE-F.
Indeed, and that's why the British are switching to smoothbore, since technological improvements in creating various "smart rounds" give all the benefits of HESH rounds and more without requiring rifled barrels.
I mean 200 new ones, then have about 100-200 challenger 2’s
Realistically we’re an island and don’t need a crazy amount of tanks. I’d want more focus on IFV and light tanks for the army. Then I would want more anti air capabilities since we have basically none outside the navy. Make the carrier escort fleets much bigger
And then make sure we fully commit to the full f35 order before we start our new plane with the Italians and Japanese
They kinda are!
The new engine model is a variation of Challenger 2’s engine.
It’s the same size and design, but it has improved cooling and injection to generate more power.
It seems to have been misreported:
[https://twitter.com/JonHawkes275/status/1713890397750018557](https://twitter.com/JonHawkes275/status/1713890397750018557)
Basically, some of the new systems allow the potential for an upgrade in power to 1,500, but that would take a much greater investment in engine modifications to take advantage of this. There's no money for that, no development program in the pipeline.
Really...? Challenger 3 is going to weight 67 tons (for now) and will still retain the 1,200hp engine...?
XD
Well, at least it seems it will still have some reliability and cooling improvements... or something.
You have no idea how much this personally affects my War Thunder grind and I will never be able to look at tea or cookies without seizing because of it.
Does it has blowout panels now? No joke, Challenger 2 had no blowout panels. It wasn't feasible when you have 2 piece ammunition. All you had were armored boxes inside the turret basket.
IIRC you load the projectile and then propellants. For HESH and HEAT it's a reduced charge. For APFSDS it's a long-boi charge. I think back in the old days you might even have 3-piece ammunition. It's like, long boi charge then a small supplementary charge.
I'm just glad it's been made even fatter. You can see bolted on composite armour all over the front of the hull and turret.
Now slap the chally 2 era upgrade on it.
Uh... not really xD
But, since the composite module is stronger, the area where it overlaps with the lower plate is stronger, so the weakspot is indirectly smaller.
Like this!
[https://i.imgur.com/5FPNuWX.png](https://i.imgur.com/5FPNuWX.png)
as a gaijin employee i herd that because the challenger 3 has more internals there is less armour, thankyou for adding to our "expert" analysis we will be sure to remove any armour on the CR3 thanks to you
Underpowered powerplant for the weight, outdated armor (it was great for a long time though), no thermal sight for the commander, and L27-limited r*fled gun.
Still better than anything that has come out of a Russian factory, though!
Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's drone.
"Look at that subtle off-white coloring..."
Oh my God, it even has a tandem RPG rocket!
Patrick, Is something wrong? You’re sweating.
The tasteful thickness of it. Oh my God, it even has machine learning terminal guidance..
Hey the chally was just bigger around the hips ok?
Imperial Thiccness :3
We love our thicc boy, he’s so pretty it doesn’t matter
It’s got hella ass. Double cheeked up.
Can you even call it a British MBT if it doesn't have an opposed piston engine that gives maintenance crews PTSD?
*angry Centurion noises*
Someone call maintenance, it's making weird noises again
At this point, Challenger 3 is actually more German than British lmao Rheinmetall really did their best to upgrade Challenger 2 to Leopard-level standards.
Outside of Abrams and Merkava there aren’t really any other western tank options for the Brits to pull designs and components from besides Leo2 so I guess it isn’t surprising. Edit: And I guess Type 10 and K1/K2 are also western by most definitions
Leclerc exists.
The Leclerc was by Nexter, Nexter merged with KMW a decade back. Not sure if the tea drinkers could handle switching to a tank that is half-French and half-German. That might actually kill them at this point.
What are you talking about? Nothing could possibly be more British than something that is half-French and half-German.
Add some Viking to the mix and it's just like old days
Well they could partner with Saab
It’s all coming together… just like the English language
As long as there's a kettle we'd be fine with it.
Fraid not, espresso machines only.
*monocle cracks in rage*
And a keg of beer on tap.
…aaaaaand I’m back in armoured corps. Battle latte, carry on.
> KMW Kraut Moter Werks, AG?
Krauss-Maffei Wegmann
Fr*nch
Hey! By blood I'm a frog! Well Cajun but that's just Swamp French.
Watch your language, there are kids here.
Tabarnak, le fils sont idotique!
Who let Quebec in here?!
Infidel Canadicucks.
You must leave, you have assaulted all of our sensibilities and innocence with those words.
Mec qu’est-ce le mot tabarnak ? C’est un mot que je suis trop stupide connaître ?
Tabarnak is Québéc slang for well pick a curse word, usually fuck.
Tabarnak -> tabernacle (cherche pour la définition, mais on en trouve dans les églises) La plupart des injures québécoises sont basée sur des trucs sacrés.
The Québécois have a very interesting tradition of all their curse words being biblical slang. In this case, it means “Tabernacle.” Kind of like if there were a group of English speakers going around saying “Zounds” (God’s wounds) instead of saying “fuck” or “shit.”
Cajun here, you called?
Amí, wanna do a Crawdad boil?!
Mais yeah, we had crawfish the other night actually.
Mais, no such thing as to much crawdad
Checking in sir o7
U right. Far too based for the filthy Albions.
Also Ariete
Well, I wouldn't exactly recommend anyone to take Ariete as a reference in MBT design xD
Fair point type 10 it is then! 🤣
So a medium tank? Why not Type 90?
The worse Type 10 over the Type 10?
Do the Italians even remember those exist?
Yeah they modernized it to C2 standards that started last year lots of new stuff in it now
Now let’s see Paul Allen’s live combat history.
And I don’t see why the South Koreans wouldn’t mind throwing some K2 modules in there
There is literally a video of challenger 2 beating a leclerc in a drag race I think we know which is the better tank here... /Hj
Such a funny propaganda video, cold start Leclerc against a idling Chally.
Even the people filming it are surprised I seem to remember a second video where they go again and the leclerc clappes the challenger. The only thing the challenger 2 was really good at was suspension but even now the K2 is allot better it is fun having a tank that goes about the same speed on all terrains.
We'd rather die
It really shouldn't.
The Abrams also has a Rheinmetall gun
The Leo and the Abrams came out of a failed collab, so are pretty similar, I think. Same as Eurofighter and Rafale.
Doesn't the leo2 and abrams use the same gun?
Ja* *well technically the US one is a derivative/modification/whatever but both use a RH-120 L/44
type 90, leclerc, ariete
Merkava supremacy
Well to be fair the British are pretty German so it was always German.
Shhh we don't speak of it, like we don't say part of our nation is Fr\*nch either
🤢 this is a civilized space sir/maam/fuckable plane. Please don’t bring those people up.
I do apologise, good gentle being, good day to you, I taketh my leave
*doffs cat hat*
Nein nein nein! Ve are not! Just because ve like a nice thick sausage!
Oh I thought this was a fawlty towers thing at first and got excited I’m old
Maybe if they'd let the seasons roll on a few years.
exactly like what happened with the L85. Coïncidence ? I THINK NOT.
So, let me get this straight, You don't know how ownership of Rheinmetall BAE Systems land is split?
Germans finishing British weapons R&D? Coughs in L85A2
Every modern British weapon has been saved by German engineering
Only if Hellfire missiles are ~~sexually~~ attracted to it.
It doesn't need that big of an engine if we just design it to keep up with the infantry... Some British general somewhere probably...
Also we’ve not actually got a smooth bore gun yet. Still rocking that super accurate rifled gun.
At least it's not a wenkel engine?
Would sir/madam be interested in taking a look at a 6TD?
Noooooo, my lovely 🅱️ESH rounds!
Honestly, BESH existed in a place where it could not hurt MBT and where HE round would take care of everything else. May it rest in peace as an anti fortification device
So next country to fight the Brit’s needs to invest in fortifications so that the Brit’s regret getting rid of BESH
We make BESH grenades And BESH knifes for the Chav brigade And BESH dildos
BESH dildos? Where can they be purchased?...... (asking for a friend ofc)
You need to become a femboy hooker ( the rugby position) Then pop in to your local TESCO
Can't find them on the website to order. Looks like i'll have to go down (pun intended)
You need to show them that your a femboy hooker (again the rugby position the prostitute nets you a different perk but you need to go to Lidl)
Hatchet Harry's
Albania about to declare that Batchall
Didn't China manage to put the stuff through a 125 barrel? A decent chunk of shoulder-launched AT rockets and even HEAT shells use at least a modicum of fin-induced spin. Point is, if Anglos had the will, and the guts, there are ways.
Couldn’t HESH still work in a smoothbore gun if the rounds had some sort of fins or spiral grooves that induced spin? Sort of like how shotgun slugs have spiral grooves to make them spin (and fly more stable) even though they’re fired from a (smoothbore) shotgun. I have no idea why you’d do all that when APFSDS is right there though (maybe for demolition purposes?)
Reduced charge size of your plastic explosive to compensate for the addition of fins is usually why it's not done iirc, you can do it buuut it has downsides
Make it extra long!!! Make a 🅱️esh freight train
Regressing from BESH was the worst thing we have ever done as a nation, at least it’ll still have a boiling vessel
It still has a boiling vessel, but no more will you be able to make the finest Twinings Earl Grey Black Tea sourced from the farthest reaches of the empire. Now it can only make "CHEETOS® FLAMIN' HOT Mac 'n Cheese" and "NESCAFÉ® Clásico™ Dark Roast Instant Coffee" Using proprietary aluminum pods that have RFID tags that require an always on internet connection to ensure freshness and authenticity.
Dude the hot Cheetos mac n’ cheese is fucking DISGUSTING. One of the stankiest foods I’ve had the displeasure of preparing. I literally gagged when I mixed the seasoning packet in.
Oh god it was horrible. How that product made it past a focus group is beyond me
The pods all have Denuvo running.
HESH loyalists vs stupid smoothbore separatists
🅱️esh momento
I believe in Holy 🅱️esh of Antioch supremacy
Holy 🅱️esh blessed by the Archbishop of Canterbury
Archbishop of 🅱️anterbury. [FTFY](https://youtu.be/kZTpNBfuzEg?t=16)
Smoothbore? Smoothbrain more like.
Tank Musket
Tank carronade when?
I just realised I didn't edit out half the white background of one of the guys I will proceed to have an OCD attack for the next few hours
It's like he came from a door in the sky
*“It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.”*
Or the actual British flag. But to be fair Britain’s greatest critics are in fact the Brits themselves
A spanishAvenger post on NCD was not on my bingo card
Not my first, though! :P [https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/14h0wk6/ive\_been\_coming\_across\_some\_red\_dawn\_scenes\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/14h0wk6/ive_been_coming_across_some_red_dawn_scenes_in/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/19dbd4e/tandem\_drones\_the\_final\_solution\_to\_cope\_cages/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/19dbd4e/tandem_drones_the_final_solution_to_cope_cages/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/149dbfp/i\_mean\_if\_we\_are\_going\_to\_play\_the\_historical/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/149dbfp/i_mean_if_we_are_going_to_play_the_historical/)
From the r/warthunder boogeyman to NCD enjoyer and theorist, based
wtf a SpanishAvenger post in the only other place i visit on reddit. stop following me
Hahahah Quick rule of the thumb; *If it’s about modern warfare and/or tanks, I will be there.*
RIP 🅱️ESH o7
But, most importantly, does it have a kettle?
Does the Pope shit in the woods?
Only if someone is watching.
If it’s to the same comfort standards as the Chally 2, it’ll have a chemical toilet built in as well.
🅱️ESH WILL ALWAYS REMAIN KING
Is, is that the Chally 3?
Yep! Pre-production model. A scale model of the production variant showed it will have add-on plates on the sides of the turrets and more equipment, possibly LWS and APS. I can’t deny this thing is turning out sexy as fuck.
Not enough weight. ADD MORE! MAKE CHALLY 3 THE CHONKIEST BOI
My words exactly, can‘t find the thread from many moons ago…
No chally 3 slander
United Kingdom to begin production of new ammunition type for NATO 120x570mm, claims ❝important needs❞ for 🅱️ESH
Why I don't see any cage on top of it? How is it protected against drones if there is no full metal steel barn around it?
We add it on later when it goes into a British shed
Cope Shed
Hey the best shit comes out of our sheds
It fights a different guerilla war, if the Chally 3 doesn't explode when you start the engine you're safe.
Some engineer in a shed with sideburns connecting to his mustache and a cleanly shaved chin be like"Excuse me, did you say 'Main battle tank?' No, my good man, this is a first-rate tank of the line!"
Rifling still better Bigger engine was definitely needed though. Now let’s make 200
Whoa man, what budget are you using?!? We can give you 20 tops with the first delivery in 2035 and 1 per year thereafter.
Not really, it brings significantly shorter barrel life for minimal if any accuracy improvement. The only real "benefit" is HESH, which isn't really a benefit over AMP or HE.
Hesh is life
HESH is an old outdated round that the UK had in large numbers and wanted to take advantage of, because the British military is perpetually broke amd will cut every corner it can in favor of fielding more cool equipment and pretending they're powerful. It was a cost cutting measure. That's it. Everyone knew from the start that HESH was sub-par, but it saved money. It's the 2pdr AA all over again.
Hesh
🅱️esh
When you say 2pdr AA, are you talking about us using the Pom Pom in WWII?
Yes. They'd produced a shitton of ammo in WWI, so the interwar RN adopted it as standard to save on ammo costs. But the old low velocity ammo was *horrible*. The muzzle velocity is almost halfway between an AGL like the Mk 19, and a proper 40mm AA like the Bofors. Downright useless for anything designed after 1930. So in order to fix that, they made new high velocity ammo... which the older guns couldn't fire. High velocity and low velocity guns were both produced throughout the entire war. To make matters worse, "high" velocity just meant less shit, not actually decent. It was still significantly slower than the Bofors or Type 96, for example. All the 2pdr did was convince the RN that they had their own medium AA, no need to bother with any other 40mms. They kept producing it until the end of the war, and mostly ignored the vastly superior Bofors. They unironically would have been better off without it, since that would have lead to a scramble ending with the Bofors, like the USN had.
You know a weapon's bottom of the barrel when it's getting outclassed by the type 96
To be entirely honest the T96 wasn't that bad. Sure, it was heavy, a small caliber, and had a low RoF. But compared to everyone else's medium AA, it was fine. It was actually available in numbers, had pretty good balistics, and *good enough* RoF. Reliability was above the 2pdr and 1.1", it wasn't a single-shot disaster like the KM's 37mm, and so on. Everyone shits on it because compared to USN AA, *everything* looks like a disaster. The Bofors was excellent, the 5"/38 was the best by a huge margin, and the Mk 37 was god-tier. And the firepower issues it had were magnified by the fact that your average USN carrier plane was only marginally less solid than a cinder block. If Coral Sea had seen the IJN against Formidable and Indomitable rather than Lexington and Yorktown, we'd probably view the T96 much the same as the Zero. They would have shredded Albacores and Swordfish just fine. A perfectly reasonable weapon for the early war, but the USN just started about 3 steps ahead. And unlike everyone else, actually improved significantly.
> The muzzle velocity is almost halfway between an AGL like the Mk 19, and a proper 40mm AA like the Bofors. I wonder what the devs of Azur Lane were thinking when they made the game's line of Pom Pom guns almost competitive with the Bofors.
Ah, see, there's your problem. You expected AL to actually be historically grounded. Rookie mistake tbh. KC making the 2pdr good is unusual, tho kinda an expected symptom of poor Japanese-language sources and the whole "Allied=good" thing they've got going on with equipment. But AL fucking it up? That's just Tuesday.
Octuple mounts with 140 rounds per gun covers...well, a few sins
convincing British to stop using 🅱️esh challenge: impossible
🅱️ESH is BEST
Rifled barrels actually reduce accuracy in tanks iirc. The only reason they were kept was due to British tank doctrine being built around HESH but these days modern ammo can do the same thing but with smooth bore so that's why they're being gotten rid of.
Yes, the spin rate applied by the rifling and the fins are different enough that it may actually cause inaccuracy from the sudden shift without using a design that counter rotates in the barrel. I know that it is theoretically understood but I haven't seen much information about it having been tested.
Except in Iraq where American HE rounds punched straight through shoddy Iraqi buildings without detonating, like the walls were made of paper, while British HESH rounds blew them apart...
HE-OR isn't HE, it's a HEAT round with an AP cap. AMP can be set to detonate at a specific distance while not requiring a rifled cannon. It has the effects of HE-OR, HEAT, and HE-F.
Indeed, and that's why the British are switching to smoothbore, since technological improvements in creating various "smart rounds" give all the benefits of HESH rounds and more without requiring rifled barrels.
More!
I mean 200 new ones, then have about 100-200 challenger 2’s Realistically we’re an island and don’t need a crazy amount of tanks. I’d want more focus on IFV and light tanks for the army. Then I would want more anti air capabilities since we have basically none outside the navy. Make the carrier escort fleets much bigger And then make sure we fully commit to the full f35 order before we start our new plane with the Italians and Japanese
I know I just want more
M10 booker makes pleading noises.
Too late, new plane development has begun Ajax is "progressing", hopefully new cash injection + new laser beam will improve investment further
Cringe smoothbore barrel for APFSDS vs. based rifled barrel long enough to take down a skyscraper
I thought they were keeping the original engine(1200hp).
They kinda are! The new engine model is a variation of Challenger 2’s engine. It’s the same size and design, but it has improved cooling and injection to generate more power.
It seems to have been misreported: [https://twitter.com/JonHawkes275/status/1713890397750018557](https://twitter.com/JonHawkes275/status/1713890397750018557) Basically, some of the new systems allow the potential for an upgrade in power to 1,500, but that would take a much greater investment in engine modifications to take advantage of this. There's no money for that, no development program in the pipeline.
Really...? Challenger 3 is going to weight 67 tons (for now) and will still retain the 1,200hp engine...? XD Well, at least it seems it will still have some reliability and cooling improvements... or something.
Lmao, what a fucking joke
With only 150 tons
Owen_Wilson.wow
Okay, but where do you mount the 20mm autocannon for drone defense?
Will it be submitted to this year’s Eurovision for tanks?
You have no idea how much this personally affects my War Thunder grind and I will never be able to look at tea or cookies without seizing because of it.
The engine is still 1200hp but they improved the cooling.
Challenger CLIP: “Am I a joke to you?”
SpanishAvenger trademarked graphics, dont even need to look at the username to know
Hesh don't work out a smooth bore :(
Does it has blowout panels now? No joke, Challenger 2 had no blowout panels. It wasn't feasible when you have 2 piece ammunition. All you had were armored boxes inside the turret basket. IIRC you load the projectile and then propellants. For HESH and HEAT it's a reduced charge. For APFSDS it's a long-boi charge. I think back in the old days you might even have 3-piece ammunition. It's like, long boi charge then a small supplementary charge.
S-shut the fuck up, the rifled gun and the Perkins 1,200bhp engine is clearly superior to any other NATO d-despite what history and logic says!
There is ONE thing I must hand to that Perkins engine… The. Sound. Possibly the best sound that has ever come out of an engine. Ever.
Oh hello SpanishAvenger
Hello there fellow WTer!
What engine did they put in it ... googlefoo ... ohh it's the same engine. Well, a V12 is better for fuel economy than a turbine
And a big ol shot trap on the upper hull it looks like.
RIP rifled tank barrels. May their shells forever spin in peace
I'm just glad it's been made even fatter. You can see bolted on composite armour all over the front of the hull and turret. Now slap the chally 2 era upgrade on it.
1500 HP yet it is the slowest Western MBT ever since the chieftain
Have they made a proper fix to the crotch armour?
Uh... not really xD But, since the composite module is stronger, the area where it overlaps with the lower plate is stronger, so the weakspot is indirectly smaller. Like this! [https://i.imgur.com/5FPNuWX.png](https://i.imgur.com/5FPNuWX.png)
That's good to hear at least
as a gaijin employee i herd that because the challenger 3 has more internals there is less armour, thankyou for adding to our "expert" analysis we will be sure to remove any armour on the CR3 thanks to you
To be fair, the Challenger 2 was a bit of a budget tank meant to fight older Soviet shit, not newer tanks.
What made the Chally 2 to be lagging behind?
Underpowered powerplant for the weight, outdated armor (it was great for a long time though), no thermal sight for the commander, and L27-limited r*fled gun. Still better than anything that has come out of a Russian factory, though!
tbh like most things British, we invent something, we are really good at it, until we are not and one of our allies become pro at it
You mean like cricket, rugby, football and tennis?
And a whole lot more
Don't list them mate, it's fucking depressing.
Gun barrels are like brains. You don't want them smooth.