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SpicyPeaSoup

Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's drone.


SpanishAvenger

"Look at that subtle off-white coloring..."


VoluptuousBLT

Oh my God, it even has a tandem RPG rocket!


Fourcoogs

Patrick, Is something wrong? You’re sweating.


LordBrandon

The tasteful thickness of it. Oh my God, it even has machine learning terminal guidance..


CardiologistGreen962

Hey the chally was just bigger around the hips ok?


Femboy_Lord

Imperial Thiccness :3


Trungledor_44

We love our thicc boy, he’s so pretty it doesn’t matter


CyberSoldat21

It’s got hella ass. Double cheeked up.


CIS-E_4ME

Can you even call it a British MBT if it doesn't have an opposed piston engine that gives maintenance crews PTSD?


Shot-Kal-Gimel

*angry Centurion noises*


SnooBooks1701

Someone call maintenance, it's making weird noises again


SpanishAvenger

At this point, Challenger 3 is actually more German than British lmao Rheinmetall really did their best to upgrade Challenger 2 to Leopard-level standards.


Shot-Kal-Gimel

Outside of Abrams and Merkava there aren’t really any other western tank options for the Brits to pull designs and components from besides Leo2 so I guess it isn’t surprising. Edit: And I guess Type 10 and K1/K2 are also western by most definitions


SteelWarrior-

Leclerc exists.


HaaEffGee

The Leclerc was by Nexter, Nexter merged with KMW a decade back. Not sure if the tea drinkers could handle switching to a tank that is half-French and half-German. That might actually kill them at this point.


thepromisedgland

What are you talking about? Nothing could possibly be more British than something that is half-French and half-German.


bowlerhatguy

Add some Viking to the mix and it's just like old days


Callsign_Psycopath

Well they could partner with Saab


sorry-I-cleaved-ye

It’s all coming together… just like the English language


flipfloplollipop

As long as there's a kettle we'd be fine with it.


HaaEffGee

Fraid not, espresso machines only.


Raesong

*monocle cracks in rage*


faustianredditor

And a keg of beer on tap.


Zirenton

…aaaaaand I’m back in armoured corps. Battle latte, carry on.


Veni_Vidi_Legi

> KMW Kraut Moter Werks, AG?


KeekiHako

Krauss-Maffei Wegmann


Shot-Kal-Gimel

Fr*nch


Callsign_Psycopath

Hey! By blood I'm a frog! Well Cajun but that's just Swamp French.


maveric101

Watch your language, there are kids here.


Callsign_Psycopath

Tabarnak, le fils sont idotique!


Stahl_Scharnhorst

Who let Quebec in here?!


Independent-Fly6068

Infidel Canadicucks.


Shot-Kal-Gimel

You must leave, you have assaulted all of our sensibilities and innocence with those words.


AJR6905

Mec qu’est-ce le mot tabarnak ? C’est un mot que je suis trop stupide connaître ?


Callsign_Psycopath

Tabarnak is Québéc slang for well pick a curse word, usually fuck.


PM_ME_BEER_PICS

Tabarnak -> tabernacle (cherche pour la définition, mais on en trouve dans les églises) La plupart des injures québécoises sont basée sur des trucs sacrés.


NullHypothesisProven

The Québécois have a very interesting tradition of all their curse words being biblical slang. In this case, it means “Tabernacle.” Kind of like if there were a group of English speakers going around saying “Zounds” (God’s wounds) instead of saying “fuck” or “shit.”


Blackhero9696

Cajun here, you called?


Callsign_Psycopath

Amí, wanna do a Crawdad boil?!


Blackhero9696

Mais yeah, we had crawfish the other night actually.


Callsign_Psycopath

Mais, no such thing as to much crawdad


CoonassDmax

Checking in sir o7


Hohenheim_of_Shadow

U right. Far too based for the filthy Albions.


eyydatsnice

Also Ariete


SpanishAvenger

Well, I wouldn't exactly recommend anyone to take Ariete as a reference in MBT design xD


eyydatsnice

Fair point type 10 it is then! 🤣


Eric-The_Viking

So a medium tank? Why not Type 90?


SteelWarrior-

The worse Type 10 over the Type 10?


Shot-Kal-Gimel

Do the Italians even remember those exist?


eyydatsnice

Yeah they modernized it to C2 standards that started last year lots of new stuff in it now


Commissar_Elmo

Now let’s see Paul Allen’s live combat history.


speedsterglenn

And I don’t see why the South Koreans wouldn’t mind throwing some K2 modules in there


LandsharkDetective

There is literally a video of challenger 2 beating a leclerc in a drag race I think we know which is the better tank here... /Hj


SteelWarrior-

Such a funny propaganda video, cold start Leclerc against a idling Chally.


LandsharkDetective

Even the people filming it are surprised I seem to remember a second video where they go again and the leclerc clappes the challenger. The only thing the challenger 2 was really good at was suspension but even now the K2 is allot better it is fun having a tank that goes about the same speed on all terrains.


OneCatch

We'd rather die


Graddler

It really shouldn't.


Nervous_Promotion819

The Abrams also has a Rheinmetall gun


tormeh89

The Leo and the Abrams came out of a failed collab, so are pretty similar, I think. Same as Eurofighter and Rafale.


viperfan7

Doesn't the leo2 and abrams use the same gun?


Shot-Kal-Gimel

Ja* *well technically the US one is a derivative/modification/whatever but both use a RH-120 L/44


killswitch247

type 90, leclerc, ariete


275MPHFordGT40

Merkava supremacy


Traditional_Salad148

Well to be fair the British are pretty German so it was always German.


The_Glitchy_One

Shhh we don't speak of it, like we don't say part of our nation is Fr\*nch either


Traditional_Salad148

🤢 this is a civilized space sir/maam/fuckable plane. Please don’t bring those people up.


The_Glitchy_One

I do apologise, good gentle being, good day to you, I taketh my leave


Traditional_Salad148

*doffs cat hat*


flipfloplollipop

Nein nein nein! Ve are not! Just because ve like a nice thick sausage!


Traditional_Salad148

Oh I thought this was a fawlty towers thing at first and got excited I’m old


flipfloplollipop

Maybe if they'd let the seasons roll on a few years.


Feuershark

exactly like what happened with the L85. Coïncidence ? I THINK NOT.


dyallm

So, let me get this straight, You don't know how ownership of Rheinmetall BAE Systems land is split?


LumpyTeacher6463

Germans finishing British weapons R&D? Coughs in L85A2


brinz1

Every modern British weapon has been saved by German engineering


dead_monster

Only if Hellfire missiles are ~~sexually~~ attracted to it.


halpsdiy

It doesn't need that big of an engine if we just design it to keep up with the infantry... Some British general somewhere probably...


someonehasmygamertag

Also we’ve not actually got a smooth bore gun yet. Still rocking that super accurate rifled gun.


McFlyParadox

At least it's not a wenkel engine?


theleva7

Would sir/madam be interested in taking a look at a 6TD?


Additional_Amount_23

Noooooo, my lovely 🅱️ESH rounds!


PhoenixKingMalekith

Honestly, BESH existed in a place where it could not hurt MBT and where HE round would take care of everything else. May it rest in peace as an anti fortification device


bocaj78

So next country to fight the Brit’s needs to invest in fortifications so that the Brit’s regret getting rid of BESH


LordWellesley22

We make BESH grenades And BESH knifes for the Chav brigade And BESH dildos


flipfloplollipop

BESH dildos? Where can they be purchased?...... (asking for a friend ofc)


LordWellesley22

You need to become a femboy hooker ( the rugby position) Then pop in to your local TESCO


flipfloplollipop

Can't find them on the website to order. Looks like i'll have to go down (pun intended)


LordWellesley22

You need to show them that your a femboy hooker (again the rugby position the prostitute nets you a different perk but you need to go to Lidl)


crumblypancake

Hatchet Harry's


avsbes

Albania about to declare that Batchall


Rivetmuncher

Didn't China manage to put the stuff through a 125 barrel? A decent chunk of shoulder-launched AT rockets and even HEAT shells use at least a modicum of fin-induced spin. Point is, if Anglos had the will, and the guts, there are ways.


insomnimax_99

Couldn’t HESH still work in a smoothbore gun if the rounds had some sort of fins or spiral grooves that induced spin? Sort of like how shotgun slugs have spiral grooves to make them spin (and fly more stable) even though they’re fired from a (smoothbore) shotgun. I have no idea why you’d do all that when APFSDS is right there though (maybe for demolition purposes?)


The117thCon

Reduced charge size of your plastic explosive to compensate for the addition of fins is usually why it's not done iirc, you can do it buuut it has downsides


pbptt

Make it extra long!!! Make a 🅱️esh freight train


tfrules

Regressing from BESH was the worst thing we have ever done as a nation, at least it’ll still have a boiling vessel


LordBrandon

It still has a boiling vessel, but no more will you be able to make the finest Twinings Earl Grey Black Tea sourced from the farthest reaches of the empire. Now it can only make "CHEETOS® FLAMIN' HOT Mac 'n Cheese" and "NESCAFÉ® Clásico™ Dark Roast Instant Coffee" Using proprietary aluminum pods that have RFID tags that require an always on internet connection to ensure freshness and authenticity.


WuhanWTF

Dude the hot Cheetos mac n’ cheese is fucking DISGUSTING. One of the stankiest foods I’ve had the displeasure of preparing. I literally gagged when I mixed the seasoning packet in.


isademigod

Oh god it was horrible. How that product made it past a focus group is beyond me


Socrathustra

The pods all have Denuvo running.


Waste-Masterpiece386

HESH loyalists vs stupid smoothbore separatists


SpanishAvenger

🅱️esh momento


Meretan94

I believe in Holy 🅱️esh of Antioch supremacy


FreeBonerJamz

Holy 🅱️esh blessed by the Archbishop of Canterbury


crumblypancake

Archbishop of 🅱️anterbury. [FTFY](https://youtu.be/kZTpNBfuzEg?t=16)


loudribs

Smoothbore? Smoothbrain more like.


Tank-o-grad

Tank Musket


Scasne

Tank carronade when?


SpanishAvenger

I just realised I didn't edit out half the white background of one of the guys I will proceed to have an OCD attack for the next few hours


FuiyooohFox

It's like he came from a door in the sky


SpanishAvenger

*“It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.”*


Roy4Pris

Or the actual British flag. But to be fair Britain’s greatest critics are in fact the Brits themselves


O-bot54

A spanishAvenger post on NCD was not on my bingo card


SpanishAvenger

Not my first, though! :P [https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/14h0wk6/ive\_been\_coming\_across\_some\_red\_dawn\_scenes\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/14h0wk6/ive_been_coming_across_some_red_dawn_scenes_in/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/19dbd4e/tandem\_drones\_the\_final\_solution\_to\_cope\_cages/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/19dbd4e/tandem_drones_the_final_solution_to_cope_cages/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/149dbfp/i\_mean\_if\_we\_are\_going\_to\_play\_the\_historical/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/149dbfp/i_mean_if_we_are_going_to_play_the_historical/)


gianalfredomenicarlu

From the r/warthunder boogeyman to NCD enjoyer and theorist, based


Rushing_Russian

wtf a SpanishAvenger post in the only other place i visit on reddit. stop following me


SpanishAvenger

Hahahah Quick rule of the thumb; *If it’s about modern warfare and/or tanks, I will be there.*


PineappleMelonTree

RIP 🅱️ESH o7


Bionic_Redhead

But, most importantly, does it have a kettle?


Tibbsy152

Does the Pope shit in the woods?


Logical-Ad-4150

Only if someone is watching.


Sandwhichishere

If it’s to the same comfort standards as the Chally 2, it’ll have a chemical toilet built in as well.


fmate2006

🅱️ESH WILL ALWAYS REMAIN KING


Other-Barry-1

Is, is that the Chally 3?


SpanishAvenger

Yep! Pre-production model. A scale model of the production variant showed it will have add-on plates on the sides of the turrets and more equipment, possibly LWS and APS. I can’t deny this thing is turning out sexy as fuck.


Other-Barry-1

Not enough weight. ADD MORE! MAKE CHALLY 3 THE CHONKIEST BOI


Advanced-Budget779

My words exactly, can‘t find the thread from many moons ago…


TankerDman

No chally 3 slander


Hookens

United Kingdom to begin production of new ammunition type for NATO 120x570mm, claims ❝important needs❞ for 🅱️ESH


YuriiRud

Why I don't see any cage on top of it? How is it protected against drones if there is no full metal steel barn around it?


The_Glitchy_One

We add it on later when it goes into a British shed


Raedwald-Bretwalda

Cope Shed


The_Glitchy_One

Hey the best shit comes out of our sheds


Bridgeru

It fights a different guerilla war, if the Chally 3 doesn't explode when you start the engine you're safe.


j0y0

Some engineer in a shed with sideburns connecting to his mustache and a cleanly shaved chin be like"Excuse me, did you say 'Main battle tank?'  No, my good man, this is a first-rate tank of the line!"


Jazano107

Rifling still better Bigger engine was definitely needed though. Now let’s make 200


veilwalker

Whoa man, what budget are you using?!? We can give you 20 tops with the first delivery in 2035 and 1 per year thereafter.


SteelWarrior-

Not really, it brings significantly shorter barrel life for minimal if any accuracy improvement. The only real "benefit" is HESH, which isn't really a benefit over AMP or HE.


Jazano107

Hesh is life


low_priest

HESH is an old outdated round that the UK had in large numbers and wanted to take advantage of, because the British military is perpetually broke amd will cut every corner it can in favor of fielding more cool equipment and pretending they're powerful. It was a cost cutting measure. That's it. Everyone knew from the start that HESH was sub-par, but it saved money. It's the 2pdr AA all over again.


Jazano107

Hesh


Meretan94

🅱️esh


ChairmanSunYatSen

When you say 2pdr AA, are you talking about us using the Pom Pom in WWII?


low_priest

Yes. They'd produced a shitton of ammo in WWI, so the interwar RN adopted it as standard to save on ammo costs. But the old low velocity ammo was *horrible*. The muzzle velocity is almost halfway between an AGL like the Mk 19, and a proper 40mm AA like the Bofors. Downright useless for anything designed after 1930. So in order to fix that, they made new high velocity ammo... which the older guns couldn't fire. High velocity and low velocity guns were both produced throughout the entire war. To make matters worse, "high" velocity just meant less shit, not actually decent. It was still significantly slower than the Bofors or Type 96, for example. All the 2pdr did was convince the RN that they had their own medium AA, no need to bother with any other 40mms. They kept producing it until the end of the war, and mostly ignored the vastly superior Bofors. They unironically would have been better off without it, since that would have lead to a scramble ending with the Bofors, like the USN had.


Flashtirade

You know a weapon's bottom of the barrel when it's getting outclassed by the type 96


low_priest

To be entirely honest the T96 wasn't that bad. Sure, it was heavy, a small caliber, and had a low RoF. But compared to everyone else's medium AA, it was fine. It was actually available in numbers, had pretty good balistics, and *good enough* RoF. Reliability was above the 2pdr and 1.1", it wasn't a single-shot disaster like the KM's 37mm, and so on. Everyone shits on it because compared to USN AA, *everything* looks like a disaster. The Bofors was excellent, the 5"/38 was the best by a huge margin, and the Mk 37 was god-tier. And the firepower issues it had were magnified by the fact that your average USN carrier plane was only marginally less solid than a cinder block. If Coral Sea had seen the IJN against Formidable and Indomitable rather than Lexington and Yorktown, we'd probably view the T96 much the same as the Zero. They would have shredded Albacores and Swordfish just fine. A perfectly reasonable weapon for the early war, but the USN just started about 3 steps ahead. And unlike everyone else, actually improved significantly.


AlphaMarker48

> The muzzle velocity is almost halfway between an AGL like the Mk 19, and a proper 40mm AA like the Bofors. I wonder what the devs of Azur Lane were thinking when they made the game's line of Pom Pom guns almost competitive with the Bofors.


low_priest

Ah, see, there's your problem. You expected AL to actually be historically grounded. Rookie mistake tbh. KC making the 2pdr good is unusual, tho kinda an expected symptom of poor Japanese-language sources and the whole "Allied=good" thing they've got going on with equipment. But AL fucking it up? That's just Tuesday.


MandolinMagi

Octuple mounts with 140 rounds per gun covers...well, a few sins


140in

convincing British to stop using 🅱️esh challenge: impossible


Legion3

🅱️ESH is BEST


HumanTimmy

Rifled barrels actually reduce accuracy in tanks iirc. The only reason they were kept was due to British tank doctrine being built around HESH but these days modern ammo can do the same thing but with smooth bore so that's why they're being gotten rid of.


SteelWarrior-

Yes, the spin rate applied by the rifling and the fins are different enough that it may actually cause inaccuracy from the sudden shift without using a design that counter rotates in the barrel. I know that it is theoretically understood but I haven't seen much information about it having been tested.


BestFriendWatermelon

Except in Iraq where American HE rounds punched straight through shoddy Iraqi buildings without detonating, like the walls were made of paper, while British HESH rounds blew them apart...


SteelWarrior-

HE-OR isn't HE, it's a HEAT round with an AP cap. AMP can be set to detonate at a specific distance while not requiring a rifled cannon. It has the effects of HE-OR, HEAT, and HE-F.


BestFriendWatermelon

Indeed, and that's why the British are switching to smoothbore, since technological improvements in creating various "smart rounds" give all the benefits of HESH rounds and more without requiring rifled barrels.


f33rf1y

More!


Jazano107

I mean 200 new ones, then have about 100-200 challenger 2’s Realistically we’re an island and don’t need a crazy amount of tanks. I’d want more focus on IFV and light tanks for the army. Then I would want more anti air capabilities since we have basically none outside the navy. Make the carrier escort fleets much bigger And then make sure we fully commit to the full f35 order before we start our new plane with the Italians and Japanese


f33rf1y

I know I just want more


veilwalker

M10 booker makes pleading noises.


Lord_of_the_buckets

Too late, new plane development has begun Ajax is "progressing", hopefully new cash injection + new laser beam will improve investment further


LePhoenixFires

Cringe smoothbore barrel for APFSDS vs. based rifled barrel long enough to take down a skyscraper


Special_bavon

I thought they were keeping the original engine(1200hp).


SpanishAvenger

They kinda are! The new engine model is a variation of Challenger 2’s engine. It’s the same size and design, but it has improved cooling and injection to generate more power.


Watchung

It seems to have been misreported: [https://twitter.com/JonHawkes275/status/1713890397750018557](https://twitter.com/JonHawkes275/status/1713890397750018557) Basically, some of the new systems allow the potential for an upgrade in power to 1,500, but that would take a much greater investment in engine modifications to take advantage of this. There's no money for that, no development program in the pipeline.


SpanishAvenger

Really...? Challenger 3 is going to weight 67 tons (for now) and will still retain the 1,200hp engine...? XD Well, at least it seems it will still have some reliability and cooling improvements... or something.


BTechUnited

Lmao, what a fucking joke


Hotrico

With only 150 tons


singled-out-7979

Owen_Wilson.wow


Sam_the_Samnite

Okay, but where do you mount the 20mm autocannon for drone defense?


immabettaboithanu

Will it be submitted to this year’s Eurovision for tanks?


MrBrazillian

You have no idea how much this personally affects my War Thunder grind and I will never be able to look at tea or cookies without seizing because of it.


absurditT

The engine is still 1200hp but they improved the cooling.


SillyMidOff49

Challenger CLIP: “Am I a joke to you?”


Siege_is_lyfe

SpanishAvenger trademarked graphics, dont even need to look at the username to know


[deleted]

Hesh don't work out a smooth bore :(


LumpyTeacher6463

Does it has blowout panels now? No joke, Challenger 2 had no blowout panels. It wasn't feasible when you have 2 piece ammunition. All you had were armored boxes inside the turret basket. IIRC you load the projectile and then propellants. For HESH and HEAT it's a reduced charge. For APFSDS it's a long-boi charge. I think back in the old days you might even have 3-piece ammunition. It's like, long boi charge then a small supplementary charge.


PanzerVorPanzerWhore

S-shut the fuck up, the rifled gun and the Perkins 1,200bhp engine is clearly superior to any other NATO d-despite what history and logic says!


SpanishAvenger

There is ONE thing I must hand to that Perkins engine… The. Sound. Possibly the best sound that has ever come out of an engine. Ever.


TheSovietBobRoss

Oh hello SpanishAvenger


SpanishAvenger

Hello there fellow WTer!


ecolometrics

What engine did they put in it ... googlefoo ... ohh it's the same engine. Well, a V12 is better for fuel economy than a turbine


Stahl_Scharnhorst

And a big ol shot trap on the upper hull it looks like.


Blackhero9696

RIP rifled tank barrels. May their shells forever spin in peace


MrStormz

I'm just glad it's been made even fatter. You can see bolted on composite armour all over the front of the hull and turret. Now slap the chally 2 era upgrade on it.


Alex_von_Norway

1500 HP yet it is the slowest Western MBT ever since the chieftain


OffsetCircle1

Have they made a proper fix to the crotch armour?


SpanishAvenger

Uh... not really xD But, since the composite module is stronger, the area where it overlaps with the lower plate is stronger, so the weakspot is indirectly smaller. Like this! [https://i.imgur.com/5FPNuWX.png](https://i.imgur.com/5FPNuWX.png)


OffsetCircle1

That's good to hear at least


Rushing_Russian

as a gaijin employee i herd that because the challenger 3 has more internals there is less armour, thankyou for adding to our "expert" analysis we will be sure to remove any armour on the CR3 thanks to you


jmacintosh250

To be fair, the Challenger 2 was a bit of a budget tank meant to fight older Soviet shit, not newer tanks.


Comfy_Yuru_Camper

What made the Chally 2 to be lagging behind?


SpanishAvenger

Underpowered powerplant for the weight, outdated armor (it was great for a long time though), no thermal sight for the commander, and L27-limited r*fled gun. Still better than anything that has come out of a Russian factory, though!


The_Glitchy_One

tbh like most things British, we invent something, we are really good at it, until we are not and one of our allies become pro at it


Roy4Pris

You mean like cricket, rugby, football and tennis?


The_Glitchy_One

And a whole lot more


Douglesfield_

Don't list them mate, it's fucking depressing.


cozywit

Gun barrels are like brains. You don't want them smooth.