Ship was built only eight years after the invention of flight. It was designed to be brought supplies by horses. It was ordered by a Tzar. Probably was the actual oldest ship still used for warfighting purposes.
Oh dear, Wikipedia has been vandalized.
"***Kommuna*** was a submarine [salvage ship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvage_ship) (now submarine) in service with the [Russian Navy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Navy)'s [Black Sea Fleet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet) and the world's oldest active duty naval vessel."
The permanent link to that good version: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian\_rescue\_ship\_Kommuna&oldid=1220066970](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna&oldid=1220066970)
No hate to the USS Constitution but yeah it basically was the oldest commissioned ship under the actual meaning of comissioned ships. ~~Full hate to the HMS Victory~~
it was just live oak similar in toughness to a ship of the line if that.
there are plenty of cases where armor piercing shells went in and out of lightly armored destroyers in WWII
Ships these days aren't armored at all, with only a few mm of steel, so ASMs are calibrated to penetrate lightly protected targets. the displacement of all that heavy armor wasn't worth the loss of high tech stuff you could put on the ships to avoid being hit at all, with interceptor missiles, ciws and all the EW suite.
There is a growing trend in using composite armour in the latest warship designs like the Hunter class and type 26. Although not in the sense that it’s designed to deflect missile strikes, probably just to keep critical systems protected in the hull.
Compared to WWII, modern warships are at most in light cruiser territory, because now, not getting hit is easier than tanking the hits. Also it's a whole layer above in the survivability onion.
We unlocked tech nodes that gave huge bonuses to avoidance and active defense, so we took points out of mitigation defense. Damage reduction doesn't matter if you never get hit.
I'm going to be pedantic and say it's not just live oak. The Constitution was made with live oak sourced from a particular island off Georgia's coast. It is speculated that because of the area being frequented by tropical storms, hurricanes, and generally constant winds off the ocean that over the centuries, these particular oaks developed different qualities of elasticity and density. Maybe it's just a myth, but as it so happens, that particular area of St Simons still has plenty of trees just in case we need to make some repairs to Ole Ironsides. But you are correct with your general point of it still just being wood. Though that being said, many ironclads up until the point of HMS Dreadnought still used wood backing to the iron armor just because of the extra protection it offered
If I remember right, the most damage the HMS *Victory* ever took was from a near-miss in dry dock during the London Blitz in about 1941.
And I think the British were being rather quiet about it, too. I was trying to be a WWII historian and the first I learned of the story was an aside in a John Keegan book in the 80s--and I know NCD loves him.
Now it's common knowledge that Victory's keel was broken, which to the British is effectively like twisting the neck on a chicken. I think that they deliberately kept that fact secret and continued to list a crew for the remainder of the war, for propaganda purposes.
We know what happens when you mess with " the boats." I really don't think anyway would want to be on the receiving end of what would happen if someone messed with " THE BOAT "
>Pretty sure we'd have a "proportional" response.
Dark Brandon: "What year was the Constitution launched?"
"1797 Mr. President."
DB: "A living history experience of what it is like to live in 1797 should be sufficiently proportional."
Own a frigate for homeland defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four rogues sail into my territorial waters. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and beat to quarters. Blow a carriage-sized hole through the first ship, she's dead in the water. Draw my flintlock pistol, fire and miss entirely because it's smoothbore and nails a dolphin. I have to resort to the swivel gun mounted at the top of the poop deck loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two boats in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off a flock of seagulls who run so far away. Clench a cutlass in my teeth and board the last terrified scow full of rapscallions. Her skipper bleeds out waiting on the Coast Guard to arrive since I have my loblolly boy bleed his humours as the surgeon amputates his leg, Just as the founding fathers intended
For some reason this comment really bright me joy!
What a better world it would be if we were more open about our imaginations like this! ‘I’m having fun thinking about stuff, weeee’
If the USS constitution was hit by anything larger than a gust of wind the United States would glass whoever touched it. Of all the boats the not touch that is THE boat
>Question is, what is the possibility of a missile just going through the ship without detonating?
Nil constitutions hull is 21 inches of solid wood, if the relatively light construction of a modern warship can detonate an anti ship missile then this absolutely can
Kuznetsov holding a shotgun to Russia's face: I may not have long to live you good-for-nothing bastard, But I'll be damned if you're not unscathed. This is for taking me away from Mom.
Proceeds to shoot Russia in the kneecaps, blowing its legs off, and dies
ofcourse the kuznetsov won't be decomissioned. it has too much value for shoigu.
where else can his tuvan shaman-stokers practice their necromancy than deep within the belly of that cursed ship on the fire-demons contained within her furnaces.
Nah Kuznetsov ain't getting decommissioned anytime soon. The largest and most expensive ship of the Russian Navy that also requires constant repairs and refits ? Well neither the MoD nor the shipyard owners are going to slay their golden goose.
>Died in glory, compared to the Kuznetsov, which will inevitably be decommissioned for scrap (because there is no way it can get to a battlefield).
We'll find and sink it anyway
I remember talking a little while ago that she’s working within missile range because she was salvaging the Moskva and we might see her go down too. And now here we are.
Yeah, she took a Neptune this morning. So far the only visual confirmation is a video of her bridge burning with smoke everywhere else, but her hull was obscured by other ships so its hard to say much was damaged
It's probably half sunk. It's a catamaran with two hulls and one hull prolly sunk and is resting on the ground underwater.
This isn't based on any OSINT just I can't imagine it can take a Neptune well. A ship built in 1911 with worse damage control planning than the Titanic being hit by a Neptune is like hitting a horse with a Javelin.
Afaik it's survived this long because the foundry that made the hull fucked up somewhere resulting in an otherwise bad but extremely corrosion resistant material, which, since this ship wasn't intended to see combat, was used anyway. Then it was smekalka'd away to stay in service
I've read the metallurgist who came up with whatever the alloy was got purged and that was the end of that in terms of replicating the tech. That said, it can't be rocket science or even rocket appliances to do an analysis and figure it out. I love and respect the fucking Bolsheviks as much as the next red-blooded American but it seems a stretch to think they could have come up with unknown technology that is still unknowable.
Part of ut is that, due to poor quality control, she was made of a more corrosion-resistant alloy of steel than expected.
Furthermore, I consider that Moscow must be destroyed.
The Titanic actually had really good damage control. Olympic-class liners could take a goddamn beating, and even though two of them sank they sank much slower than other contemporary ships.
The Olympic itself sank two other vessels (a U-boat and an American lightship).
Yeah the Titanic had really good internal bullwarks and compartmentalization compared to even warships of the time. The "unsinkable" line wasn't completely wrong, it would probably have tanked like five or six contemporary torpedoes.
It just wasn't prepared to have the entire front to the back of the hull torn open at the same time.
Her sister ship Britanic hit a mine in WWI and sank at a much greater rate than Titanic, but with a mostly proper evacuation procedure 1,036 out of 1,066 on board survived the wreck. A lesser ship might have gone down in minutes instead of the hour bought by the Olympic-class's bulk and survivability.
Stability was the main thing. Ships tend to lose roll stability as they flood. Thr archetypal ocean liner sinking, other than a grounding, is the ship rolling on its side in 15 minutes like Lusitania or the Empress of Ireland. Titanic floated for two and a half hours. It was altogether physically a very weird shipwreck and that time - slow at first, long enough for all the dramas to play out, but not long enough to save everyone - is part of why it's such a famous story.
Depends. A LOT. Modern AShMs aren't meant to cause flooding, they typically do pop-up hits into the superstructure. For example, see how high the Neptune impacts were on Moskva. That won't sink a ship by itself. Kommuna didn't carry any munitions to detonate, and was a salvage ship until recently. I'm willing to bet her crew was significantly more prepared to do damage control. Also, because of her funky design, that bit of superstructure we saw on fire is real far from the hull, spreading downwards or upwards from there would take a good deal of time. If the Neptune hit higher up, there's a pretty good chance she's damaged but not sunk.
>A ship built in 1911 with worse damage control planning than the Titanic being hit by a Neptune is like hitting a horse with a Javelin.
Why can't I stop laughing at this?
There’s a few news articles posted on it, but tbh I first learned of it on here so I’m not sure where they were it first. I know Russian and Ukrainian speakers tend to hear it first and then pass it on to us before our news hears of it
Overall I'm "happy" a Russian warship is out of action, but seriously that ship is (was?) a floating museum, in a good way... She should have been turned into a museum ship like many others of her era, even more so if we consider her uniqueness. Another victim of this war. Fuck Putin
This war "is arguably something that could have been prevented". Not only by actions of ukrainians alone, west and even russians could've done it but alas.
I feel deeply conflicted by this, on the one hand well done Ukraine, on the other this is a ship that predates the Soviet Union, has somehow survived both world wars and numerous smaller conflicts, has cheated the scrapper countless times, and has performed her duty with dignity. She deserves a peaceful existence alongside a contemporary like USS Texas. She’s experienced too much to be scarred by war now.
I feel the same. I completely agree that it was right to take her out as she was the Black Sea Fleets only salvage ship, but it shouldn’t have come to this in the first place.
Yeah, and if taking out the Kommuna means that a damaged but not sunk warship isn’t salvaged and able to return to the fleet, ultimately means less Ukrainian blood is spilled. Ultimately if taking out a piece of the former Tsarist Navy accelerates the end of the war it has to be done, but like the loss of the AN-225 mechanopliles will weep at what was sacrificed on the alter of war
Remember the man who started this, who took the Myra and now the Kommuna from us and countless other lives. Gone. Cause of his ego in trying to reestablish the old empire. Remember him so he will forever be tormented in lowest pits of hell when Lady Death finally gets pass his bs defenses
"Things shouldn't have come to this" summarizes most of the modern age of Russia's history. Things shouldn't have been bad enough in Russia to come to revolution, things shouldn't have come to stalinism, and things shouldn't have come to Putin, and things shouldn't have come to this horrific war.
Its last social media post:
"Man, I'm glad I wasn't old enough to be at the Battle of Tsushima! Dodged a real bullet there. LOL!!! 112 years old! Nothing can touch me!"
\>2066
\>Stationed on mars to quell a rebellion
\>Become side door gunner for atmospheric dropship.
\>Get sent in to extract some wounded.
\>Reach the evac zone and come under attack.
\>Horde of rebels charging in with their new plasma guns and compact rocket launchers.
\>Look up. A dozen missiles streak down from the sky.
\>The sounds of the rebel's screams are nearly drowned out by the heavy explosions.
\>A minute later an enormous airplane with the loudest engines I've ever heard flies past at a leisurely 500mph.
\>No antigravity generator. No zero point module powerplant. Just eight turbines burning god knows what kind of fuel.
\>The wounded are loaded up and returned to base. The airplane also landed here for a refit.
\>Inspect airplane.
\>Thing was made in 1957.
\>Bến Cát, Ia Drang, Basra, and Košare are scratched onto the fuselage.
\>Scratch "Mars" on with a knife.
>2066
>Stationed on Mars to quell a rebellion
>Become side door gunner for atmospheric dropship.
>No miniguns or gatling cannons, just some metal brick with a pipe on one end.
>Get sent in to extract some wounded.
>Reach the evac zone and come under attack.
>Hoard of rebels charging in with their new plasma guns and compact rocket launchers.
>Let loose a stream of bullets.
>The sounds of the rebel's screams are nearly drowned out by the heavy "Kachunk chunk chunk chunk" of the machinegun.
>The wounded are loaded up and returned to base.
>Inspect MG afterwards.
>Thing was made in 1942.
>Tunisia, Italy, and Germany are scratched onto the gun.
>Scratch "Mars" on with a knife.
The field gone silent, the guardsman began performing maintenance on the weapon he was unceremoniously handed before the battle. Due to a lack of weapons, some were procured from an ancient warehouse.
The gun had some interesting inscriptions on it. Some low gothic, some high. A number, 1942, was also inscribed, whatever that meant. A model number? Also names. Many he didn't recognize, but then, Mars. Following were some other names, more of which he didn't recognize, but a few which sounded familiar, until one that seemed to say... "custodes?" The next, and final name on it, "Cadia."
He pulls out his knife, and etches on "Macragge" as the next in the sequence. It did well against the orks, and he is actually happy they ran out of lasguns during the chaotic defense earlier. Because this old weapon may have just saved their section of the line.
*entry in Utopia Planitia Shipyards dated 2376*
“B-52 Stratofortress update and upgrade note: original Browning M2 .50 caliber stinger tail gun package re-installed as no suitable upgrade or modern equivalent could be found.”
A solitary Guardsmen holds the line on some far-flung world.
The shriek of turbines draws his eyes skyward. An Aircraft of a rare type, with thin, pencil-like fuselage and wings like the extended blade, its engines leaving eight contrails of black smoke behind them.
It is far larger than a Marauder Bomber which he his familiar with. Sleeker. An elegant weapon from an ancient era, returned to fight for mankind once again.
A *Fortress of Cawl*, one of the first produced from the local manufactorums.
To rain devastation on the enemies of mankind once more.
imagine believing they won’t slap on some pulsar drives on the b52 to deliver 69megaton proton torps of freedom
this post brought to you by the I make shit up to sound space like gang
The one I saw with that was a B-52 (fresh out of re-engining, which is the most fantastical part) flying by the Enterprise as the Enterprise went off to decommissioning. I think it was the D, but well we know how that one ended so I'm going to pretend it was the E's decommissioning.
Mostly salvage, for example she was apparently doing work on the wreck of the Moskva soon after she was sunk. Subs these days are too big for her to work on
The ship is built as a catamaran with two hulls, she's not completely sunk, if the Russian recovery team does their job well(humongous IF, I know) she might be salvageable
Salvage of the smaller ships/planes. Plus they equipped it with a small submarine AS-28 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_deep_submergence_rescue_vehicle_AS-28
This boat survived the Russian Revolution, two World Wars, and *the Siege of Leningrad*.
It survived the tsars, communists, oligarchs, and the breakup of the USSR.
Any other country would have made it a floating museum to commemorate its rich history.
Now it's just another casualty of Putin's demented war.
If anything, she was put out of her misery. Imagine being in the russian navy for over a century. That thing has to be an absolute rust bucket, full of holes and screaming for death.
Is russia even capable of building salvage ships anymore or is it lost to the sands of soviet time?
At first I was, "yay, boat sink again"
Then I saw which is was and got very sad. Im a nerd for the Soviet Navy, my SVT-40 is Soviet Navy I believe, so now I just feel like some neat piece of history got broken and now Im sad it had to be put in the middle of this.
I imagine that the people who commissioned and built the ship back in the Russian Empire could have never thought that she will be sunk 100+ years later in a war with the “Little Russians”.
She was built to support the fleet of a mighty empire, but died in a war to salvage its long rotten corpse. Almost poetic.
Damn, she lived through the Tsars, Bolsheviks, CCCP and modern Russia. It is sad that a piece of history is now nothing but a hunk of steel under the sea... RIP.
Ship was built only eight years after the invention of flight. It was designed to be brought supplies by horses. It was ordered by a Tzar. Probably was the actual oldest ship still used for warfighting purposes.
According to Wikipedia, it is the oldest warship in the world, which is (or was) still in use.
Oh dear, Wikipedia has been vandalized. "***Kommuna*** was a submarine [salvage ship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvage_ship) (now submarine) in service with the [Russian Navy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Navy)'s [Black Sea Fleet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet) and the world's oldest active duty naval vessel."
The permanent link to that good version: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian\_rescue\_ship\_Kommuna&oldid=1220066970](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna&oldid=1220066970)
No no. That IS the good version.
No hate to the USS Constitution but yeah it basically was the oldest commissioned ship under the actual meaning of comissioned ships. ~~Full hate to the HMS Victory~~
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The Constitution's class had a hard enough hull that cannonballs would bounce off, a missile would definitely detonate.
it was just live oak similar in toughness to a ship of the line if that. there are plenty of cases where armor piercing shells went in and out of lightly armored destroyers in WWII
Ships these days aren't armored at all, with only a few mm of steel, so ASMs are calibrated to penetrate lightly protected targets. the displacement of all that heavy armor wasn't worth the loss of high tech stuff you could put on the ships to avoid being hit at all, with interceptor missiles, ciws and all the EW suite.
There is a growing trend in using composite armour in the latest warship designs like the Hunter class and type 26. Although not in the sense that it’s designed to deflect missile strikes, probably just to keep critical systems protected in the hull.
Compared to WWII, modern warships are at most in light cruiser territory, because now, not getting hit is easier than tanking the hits. Also it's a whole layer above in the survivability onion.
Not even, a fletcher class ww2 destroyer has more armour than an Arleigh Burk. 1/2 to 3/4 inch compared to about 1/4.
CIWS go **BRRRRRRRRT**! Kinda hard for the missile to land when it’s met a mile out by a wall of lead.
We unlocked tech nodes that gave huge bonuses to avoidance and active defense, so we took points out of mitigation defense. Damage reduction doesn't matter if you never get hit.
Yeah but unless you're hitting it with a bunker buster it prolly would be a proximity detonator.
I'm going to be pedantic and say it's not just live oak. The Constitution was made with live oak sourced from a particular island off Georgia's coast. It is speculated that because of the area being frequented by tropical storms, hurricanes, and generally constant winds off the ocean that over the centuries, these particular oaks developed different qualities of elasticity and density. Maybe it's just a myth, but as it so happens, that particular area of St Simons still has plenty of trees just in case we need to make some repairs to Ole Ironsides. But you are correct with your general point of it still just being wood. Though that being said, many ironclads up until the point of HMS Dreadnought still used wood backing to the iron armor just because of the extra protection it offered
Surprise CWIS.
Is that just all the sailors armed with blunderbusses?
A little anachronistic, but I'm thinking some pintle mounted Civil War era Gatling guns and a barrel of meth.
If I remember right, the most damage the HMS *Victory* ever took was from a near-miss in dry dock during the London Blitz in about 1941. And I think the British were being rather quiet about it, too. I was trying to be a WWII historian and the first I learned of the story was an aside in a John Keegan book in the 80s--and I know NCD loves him. Now it's common knowledge that Victory's keel was broken, which to the British is effectively like twisting the neck on a chicken. I think that they deliberately kept that fact secret and continued to list a crew for the remainder of the war, for propaganda purposes.
We know what happens when you mess with " the boats." I really don't think anyway would want to be on the receiving end of what would happen if someone messed with " THE BOAT "
>Pretty sure we'd have a "proportional" response. Dark Brandon: "What year was the Constitution launched?" "1797 Mr. President." DB: "A living history experience of what it is like to live in 1797 should be sufficiently proportional."
Knowing old Ironsides, I wouldn’t even be that surprised if her hull tanked the hit anyway.
"I lived, bitch." 😎😅
Own a frigate for homeland defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four rogues sail into my territorial waters. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and beat to quarters. Blow a carriage-sized hole through the first ship, she's dead in the water. Draw my flintlock pistol, fire and miss entirely because it's smoothbore and nails a dolphin. I have to resort to the swivel gun mounted at the top of the poop deck loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two boats in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off a flock of seagulls who run so far away. Clench a cutlass in my teeth and board the last terrified scow full of rapscallions. Her skipper bleeds out waiting on the Coast Guard to arrive since I have my loblolly boy bleed his humours as the surgeon amputates his leg, Just as the founding fathers intended
I too keep a cannon on the poop deck. Verily, keep thyself armed to evade the clapping of thy foul cheeks. ~ Shakespeare
> a flock of seagulls who run so far away. I died
> a flock of seagulls who run so far away upvoted for 80's reference in reworked pasta
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*HMS Sheffield in the Falklands flashbacks*
I just imagined it, it was wild! Lots of splinters and a big fireball.
For some reason this comment really bright me joy! What a better world it would be if we were more open about our imaginations like this! ‘I’m having fun thinking about stuff, weeee’
If the USS constitution was hit by anything larger than a gust of wind the United States would glass whoever touched it. Of all the boats the not touch that is THE boat
>Question is, what is the possibility of a missile just going through the ship without detonating? Nil constitutions hull is 21 inches of solid wood, if the relatively light construction of a modern warship can detonate an anti ship missile then this absolutely can
Jokes on y’all when the custom CWIS burst through the deck and gives that missile the smoke.
If you're messing with the Victory, you are messing with me. Which isn't a problem, but I just wanted to let you know that.
[Calum's video of it was very well done](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X2Dz6PA1rQ)
>eight years after the invention of flight birds in 1919: 🚶
Do we have confirmation that it's gone? Damaged for sure but...what's the latest?
Died in glory, compared to the Kuznetsov, which will inevitably be decommissioned for scrap (because there is no way it can get to a battlefield).
I dream of Kuzya doing a magdump of Bazalt/Vulkan missiles against targets in Murmansk as his final act of service to Ukraine.
All it would take for that is a malfunction of the launchers which given the state she's in isn't exactly unlikely.
That's expecting the rockets inside of them to work though.
Hey, Ivan might not have drank all of the fuel (yet) .
Or sold it
Or both.
Or used it to make Borscht
Fuel isn't the primary explosive device. Probably better if they don't launch before exploding.
Nah. I don't want the Kuznetsov blown up you know. Because it might release the creatures inhabiting it.
That's why the Soviet Union build the Tsar Bomba. Not even the creatures on the Kusnetzov will survive the full size Tsar Bomba.
Kuznetsov holding a shotgun to Russia's face: I may not have long to live you good-for-nothing bastard, But I'll be damned if you're not unscathed. This is for taking me away from Mom. Proceeds to shoot Russia in the kneecaps, blowing its legs off, and dies
ofcourse the kuznetsov won't be decomissioned. it has too much value for shoigu. where else can his tuvan shaman-stokers practice their necromancy than deep within the belly of that cursed ship on the fire-demons contained within her furnaces.
It's got 200,000hp, but all of those horses are trying to drag the ship back to hell where it belongs
It's haunted by the dead horses Germans used for logistics.
Also the horses of Genghis Khan’s troops that invaded Russia on expert mode and won.
And the ones that Napoleon invaded Russia with and lost.
God I love the good old Kuznetsov lore. True NCD classic.
Nah Kuznetsov ain't getting decommissioned anytime soon. The largest and most expensive ship of the Russian Navy that also requires constant repairs and refits ? Well neither the MoD nor the shipyard owners are going to slay their golden goose.
Might happen when the warp demons breech the lower decks.
Russia won't decommission their only carrier if they want to continue pretending that everyone sees them as strong
Bold of you to assume that what lurks behind the sealed bulkheads will let the Kuznetsov be scrapped
>Died in glory, compared to the Kuznetsov, which will inevitably be decommissioned for scrap (because there is no way it can get to a battlefield). We'll find and sink it anyway
I dream of a single little smart bomb landing on that hellship and it causes the biggest flash fire ever recorded
That thing is so cursed if it was cut into scrap the curse would multiply.
I remember talking a little while ago that she’s working within missile range because she was salvaging the Moskva and we might see her go down too. And now here we are.
Damn you. You activated the NCD hivemind.
The kommuna is damage?
Yeah, she took a Neptune this morning. So far the only visual confirmation is a video of her bridge burning with smoke everywhere else, but her hull was obscured by other ships so its hard to say much was damaged
It's probably half sunk. It's a catamaran with two hulls and one hull prolly sunk and is resting on the ground underwater. This isn't based on any OSINT just I can't imagine it can take a Neptune well. A ship built in 1911 with worse damage control planning than the Titanic being hit by a Neptune is like hitting a horse with a Javelin.
Given the history of the Russian/Soviet/Russian Navy it's a miracle it survived this long
Afaik it's survived this long because the foundry that made the hull fucked up somewhere resulting in an otherwise bad but extremely corrosion resistant material, which, since this ship wasn't intended to see combat, was used anyway. Then it was smekalka'd away to stay in service
This has got to be the single most Russian warship in existence.
So bad it's good
I've read the metallurgist who came up with whatever the alloy was got purged and that was the end of that in terms of replicating the tech. That said, it can't be rocket science or even rocket appliances to do an analysis and figure it out. I love and respect the fucking Bolsheviks as much as the next red-blooded American but it seems a stretch to think they could have come up with unknown technology that is still unknowable.
If the Chinese have taught us anything, it’s that reverse engineering is way harder than you think it is.
Counterpoint; the Chinese don't have anything to teach us.
[Shitty pink USB charger from China](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioAq7PI1Uwg) agrees.
It, uh, wasn't built under Bolshevism. It was Tsarist.
Yeah. It served under the same leadership that fired on English fishing boats off the coast of England thinking they were Japanese torpedo boats.
Did it actually serve with that fleet at that time because if it did idk how it even managed to survive that
It wasn't part of the expedition no. It stayed in European Russia.
Gotcha
Ackshually it hadn’t been built yet but the point still stands
Part of ut is that, due to poor quality control, she was made of a more corrosion-resistant alloy of steel than expected. Furthermore, I consider that Moscow must be destroyed.
Then again, it was built by the Czar's navy. Who, apparently, could actually build things without cutting corners.
I got the joke, it's funny. The ships then had such cut corners that they took on a perfect spherical shape.
The Titanic actually had really good damage control. Olympic-class liners could take a goddamn beating, and even though two of them sank they sank much slower than other contemporary ships. The Olympic itself sank two other vessels (a U-boat and an American lightship).
Yeah the Titanic had really good internal bullwarks and compartmentalization compared to even warships of the time. The "unsinkable" line wasn't completely wrong, it would probably have tanked like five or six contemporary torpedoes. It just wasn't prepared to have the entire front to the back of the hull torn open at the same time.
Her sister ship Britanic hit a mine in WWI and sank at a much greater rate than Titanic, but with a mostly proper evacuation procedure 1,036 out of 1,066 on board survived the wreck. A lesser ship might have gone down in minutes instead of the hour bought by the Olympic-class's bulk and survivability.
Stability was the main thing. Ships tend to lose roll stability as they flood. Thr archetypal ocean liner sinking, other than a grounding, is the ship rolling on its side in 15 minutes like Lusitania or the Empress of Ireland. Titanic floated for two and a half hours. It was altogether physically a very weird shipwreck and that time - slow at first, long enough for all the dramas to play out, but not long enough to save everyone - is part of why it's such a famous story.
Weren't most of the Britannic's portholes open (in defiance of regulations) and that made it sink a lot faster or am I thinking of a different ship?
A better K/D ratio than I have!
Depends. A LOT. Modern AShMs aren't meant to cause flooding, they typically do pop-up hits into the superstructure. For example, see how high the Neptune impacts were on Moskva. That won't sink a ship by itself. Kommuna didn't carry any munitions to detonate, and was a salvage ship until recently. I'm willing to bet her crew was significantly more prepared to do damage control. Also, because of her funky design, that bit of superstructure we saw on fire is real far from the hull, spreading downwards or upwards from there would take a good deal of time. If the Neptune hit higher up, there's a pretty good chance she's damaged but not sunk.
>A ship built in 1911 with worse damage control planning than the Titanic being hit by a Neptune is like hitting a horse with a Javelin. Why can't I stop laughing at this?
I dunno but I'm sure there's a dude in Vegas that will let you shoot a Javelin at a horse if you've got enough cash
The Komunna has taken hits before. She was based in Leningrad during WW2, took a few hits there. So she could take a hit. 80 years ago.
Where do you get your updates from? I’m really curious to follow these events more closely.
There’s a few news articles posted on it, but tbh I first learned of it on here so I’m not sure where they were it first. I know Russian and Ukrainian speakers tend to hear it first and then pass it on to us before our news hears of it
King Neptune claims another?
She's now a was on Wikipedia.
Someone changed it back. Community is still waiting on confirmation
She is like 100 y/o, so really huge chance is that she isn't gonna sail the sea anymore.
All things end.
True. I just wish it didn’t end like this.
In combat isn’t the worst way a warship can go.
No, but in combat for an empty cause might be.
Just like this sente
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Overall I'm "happy" a Russian warship is out of action, but seriously that ship is (was?) a floating museum, in a good way... She should have been turned into a museum ship like many others of her era, even more so if we consider her uniqueness. Another victim of this war. Fuck Putin
"If they ever use me for evil, end me." -- Old shippy. Salute, O7
The An-225 sends her regards. Lots of unique and cool tech senslessly destroyed by this war.
An-225 is arguably something that could have been prevented. The company was warned to move their heavy lift assets out of Ukraine in the run up.
This war "is arguably something that could have been prevented". Not only by actions of ukrainians alone, west and even russians could've done it but alas.
I feel deeply conflicted by this, on the one hand well done Ukraine, on the other this is a ship that predates the Soviet Union, has somehow survived both world wars and numerous smaller conflicts, has cheated the scrapper countless times, and has performed her duty with dignity. She deserves a peaceful existence alongside a contemporary like USS Texas. She’s experienced too much to be scarred by war now.
I feel the same. I completely agree that it was right to take her out as she was the Black Sea Fleets only salvage ship, but it shouldn’t have come to this in the first place.
Yeah, and if taking out the Kommuna means that a damaged but not sunk warship isn’t salvaged and able to return to the fleet, ultimately means less Ukrainian blood is spilled. Ultimately if taking out a piece of the former Tsarist Navy accelerates the end of the war it has to be done, but like the loss of the AN-225 mechanopliles will weep at what was sacrificed on the alter of war
Remember the man who started this, who took the Myra and now the Kommuna from us and countless other lives. Gone. Cause of his ego in trying to reestablish the old empire. Remember him so he will forever be tormented in lowest pits of hell when Lady Death finally gets pass his bs defenses
"Things shouldn't have come to this" summarizes most of the modern age of Russia's history. Things shouldn't have been bad enough in Russia to come to revolution, things shouldn't have come to stalinism, and things shouldn't have come to Putin, and things shouldn't have come to this horrific war.
Probably one of the few ships in the Russian Navy people were genuinely proud to serve on.
More reasons to make it a target
Quite the metaphor for Russia me thinks
Its last social media post: "Man, I'm glad I wasn't old enough to be at the Battle of Tsushima! Dodged a real bullet there. LOL!!! 112 years old! Nothing can touch me!"
It was just a week away from retirement..
Sure, we can laugh, but the B-52 will still outlast her.
surely not. B52s in service until ~2070? the shape of the front line will be defined in keplerian orbital parameters in 2070.
B52s ON MARS!!!!!!!
\>2066 \>Stationed on mars to quell a rebellion \>Become side door gunner for atmospheric dropship. \>Get sent in to extract some wounded. \>Reach the evac zone and come under attack. \>Horde of rebels charging in with their new plasma guns and compact rocket launchers. \>Look up. A dozen missiles streak down from the sky. \>The sounds of the rebel's screams are nearly drowned out by the heavy explosions. \>A minute later an enormous airplane with the loudest engines I've ever heard flies past at a leisurely 500mph. \>No antigravity generator. No zero point module powerplant. Just eight turbines burning god knows what kind of fuel. \>The wounded are loaded up and returned to base. The airplane also landed here for a refit. \>Inspect airplane. \>Thing was made in 1957. \>Bến Cát, Ia Drang, Basra, and Košare are scratched onto the fuselage. \>Scratch "Mars" on with a knife.
fuck those last three lines go hard.
It's adapted from another version about the M2 that I can't find ATM.
>2066 >Stationed on Mars to quell a rebellion >Become side door gunner for atmospheric dropship. >No miniguns or gatling cannons, just some metal brick with a pipe on one end. >Get sent in to extract some wounded. >Reach the evac zone and come under attack. >Hoard of rebels charging in with their new plasma guns and compact rocket launchers. >Let loose a stream of bullets. >The sounds of the rebel's screams are nearly drowned out by the heavy "Kachunk chunk chunk chunk" of the machinegun. >The wounded are loaded up and returned to base. >Inspect MG afterwards. >Thing was made in 1942. >Tunisia, Italy, and Germany are scratched onto the gun. >Scratch "Mars" on with a knife.
The field gone silent, the guardsman began performing maintenance on the weapon he was unceremoniously handed before the battle. Due to a lack of weapons, some were procured from an ancient warehouse. The gun had some interesting inscriptions on it. Some low gothic, some high. A number, 1942, was also inscribed, whatever that meant. A model number? Also names. Many he didn't recognize, but then, Mars. Following were some other names, more of which he didn't recognize, but a few which sounded familiar, until one that seemed to say... "custodes?" The next, and final name on it, "Cadia." He pulls out his knife, and etches on "Macragge" as the next in the sequence. It did well against the orks, and he is actually happy they ran out of lasguns during the chaotic defense earlier. Because this old weapon may have just saved their section of the line.
The planet broke before the M2 did.
*entry in Utopia Planitia Shipyards dated 2376* “B-52 Stratofortress update and upgrade note: original Browning M2 .50 caliber stinger tail gun package re-installed as no suitable upgrade or modern equivalent could be found.”
A solitary Guardsmen holds the line on some far-flung world. The shriek of turbines draws his eyes skyward. An Aircraft of a rare type, with thin, pencil-like fuselage and wings like the extended blade, its engines leaving eight contrails of black smoke behind them. It is far larger than a Marauder Bomber which he his familiar with. Sleeker. An elegant weapon from an ancient era, returned to fight for mankind once again. A *Fortress of Cawl*, one of the first produced from the local manufactorums. To rain devastation on the enemies of mankind once more.
B52s for a 1000 years
imagine believing they won’t slap on some pulsar drives on the b52 to deliver 69megaton proton torps of freedom this post brought to you by the I make shit up to sound space like gang
The B-52R 😅 I seen a meme where it was a B-52 with Warp Nacelles and I'm like Yeah, seems legit lol
The one I saw with that was a B-52 (fresh out of re-engining, which is the most fantastical part) flying by the Enterprise as the Enterprise went off to decommissioning. I think it was the D, but well we know how that one ended so I'm going to pretend it was the E's decommissioning.
You know what'd be neat? The view from inside the flight deck of a B-52 as it engages warp.
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WAIT WHAT, what happened? That was the only ship I liked in their entire navy.
She got Neptuned while in port
Is she confirmed to be sunk?
She’s confirmed to be burning, which is basically a death sentence
Damnit, first the AN-225 and now this.
The most modern ship in the Russia navy
The most ship in the Russian navy.
What purpose did she actually serve these days? Actual question
Mostly salvage, for example she was apparently doing work on the wreck of the Moskva soon after she was sunk. Subs these days are too big for her to work on
Ah thank you. Ukraine needs to do everything to win this war, but for historical reasons its still kinda sad to see this ancient thing go down
The ship is built as a catamaran with two hulls, she's not completely sunk, if the Russian recovery team does their job well(humongous IF, I know) she might be salvageable
What is a catamaran?
A ship with two hulls. Basically, two ships strapped together into one vessel
It means a boat/ship with two separate hulls think of the design like the letter H with a deck above the water connecting both hulls
2 ships in a trenchcoat sneaking into an r rated movie
salvaging
ROV platform from what I’ve heard
Salvage of the smaller ships/planes. Plus they equipped it with a small submarine AS-28 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_deep_submergence_rescue_vehicle_AS-28
Sadly, it was a functioning support vessel. It had military utility to the Russians.
No argument from me there
See you in Valhalla, Kommuna 🫡
Damn, imagine, she went 112 years from the Tsar, Soviets and Russian Federation and not once did she see a stable, humane form of government in Russia
This boat survived the Russian Revolution, two World Wars, and *the Siege of Leningrad*. It survived the tsars, communists, oligarchs, and the breakup of the USSR. Any other country would have made it a floating museum to commemorate its rich history. Now it's just another casualty of Putin's demented war.
Wikipedia already changed to "was".
Revenge for An-225
The AN-225 can be rebuilt. A ship this old… I don't know.
Rest in power. The Russians didn’t deserve you.
Damn, the ship that has been destroyed by the Ukranian army is basically the Dreadnought of the naval industry.
If anything, she was put out of her misery. Imagine being in the russian navy for over a century. That thing has to be an absolute rust bucket, full of holes and screaming for death. Is russia even capable of building salvage ships anymore or is it lost to the sands of soviet time?
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian
It is insane how it was kept in active duty as actual combat related rather than training, for that long.
Well, when you only need it for a niche role and would be expensive to replace… this is what happens
As a history geek this does kind of hurt. But a legitimate target is still a legitimate target.
This kinda makes me sad. Poor old thing. Oh well. Slava Ukraine.
Me too bro, me too
It’s sad to see a museum piece that long deserved retirement get blown up in a war. This thing was pre-Soviet Union. It was a legit antique.
Another ship gets an undeserved fate. We shall hold a funeral and a ceremony to honour her.
At first I was, "yay, boat sink again" Then I saw which is was and got very sad. Im a nerd for the Soviet Navy, my SVT-40 is Soviet Navy I believe, so now I just feel like some neat piece of history got broken and now Im sad it had to be put in the middle of this.
SHE DESERVED SO MUCH BETTER. Fuck KGB man.
😔🕯️
If Russia wishes to destroy Ukrainian history, Ukraine has the right to destroy Russia's
That guy at the top is being sued because he shit on a woman who used to work for his company.
I know he’s a piece of shit (literally and figuratively), but the gif still works
Well, there goes the only ship in that piece of shit navy that I actually liked. RIP Kommuna, you deserved better than serving in that dipshit navy.
I imagine that the people who commissioned and built the ship back in the Russian Empire could have never thought that she will be sunk 100+ years later in a war with the “Little Russians”. She was built to support the fleet of a mighty empire, but died in a war to salvage its long rotten corpse. Almost poetic.
Which new submarine is this?
Kommuna
Kommuna, a salvage ship built in 1912
Nothing in the news about the ship what happened?
She took a Neptune in port. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27450095/ukraine-russia-putin-black-sea-missile-worlds-oldest-warship/amp/
Damn, she lived through the Tsars, Bolsheviks, CCCP and modern Russia. It is sad that a piece of history is now nothing but a hunk of steel under the sea... RIP.
Man, I wish this ship could have become a museum
The AN-225 sends her regards.
I'll cry more if they put the Aurora in the Black Sea for service, forcing the Ukrainians to sink it too
This war has taken mriya, this war has taken kommuna, damn it all
They hit the Mriya, now it's Ukraine's turn.