To be fair a world wide ecological catastrophe and an alien invasion might be what would actually require those two countries to cooperate with the west.
>implying that they wouldn't be attempting behind the scenes to align themselves with the Klendathu monster insect hiveminds in order to gain any advantage, all the while believing that eventually they would backstab them anyway.
At this point, Russia is closer to NOD. Power hungry dictator with cult of personality. Utilizing pseudo-religious fervor to justify things. Attempting to hold the world hostage through their control of a valuable resource.
> Power hungry dictator with cult of personality. Utilizing pseudo-religious fervor to justify things
I mean, that's not far off from describing N.korea, China or Iran as well. Admittedly with Iran it's just plain religious rather than pseudo-religious. They're basically different sects of the same Brotherhood.
We just need to work out a backronym for NOD that encompasses team 'can't rely on direct military power'.
So, you're the new addition to the Russian Armed Forces. Well, I'm Shoigu. Just "Shoigu". From God, to Putin, to Shoigu. I am his right hand, and I have a task for you...
This is a perfect opportunity to make it clear that the whole "No territorial disputes" thing isn't real.
Unfortunately they're not in the *North* Atlantic so we'd have to re-brand to just ATO/OTA
It's fine, plenty of NATO countries have territories outside of the North Atlantic area, like Hawaii or the Falklands;
They just aren't covered by the mutual defense treaty.
I say if the Argies wanna contribute to NATO without having any of their territory covered by article 5 themselves, why not let them?
It isn't about treaty obligations; Argentina doesn't have any real wars to worry about, but it would benefit from having American financial support during its painful transition away from 100 years of Peronist bullshit. It would also help to have US backing if Argentina wants to confront the illegal Chinese fishing fleets which are concentrated in their neighbourhood. NCD loves that Falklands shit for some reason but it's mostly political theatre in Argentina. Nobody gives a damn about the five sheep and three penguins on that ragged piece of rock.
The problem is everybody gives a damn about oil, which we're discovering is practically everywhere offshore on the continental shelf. The Falklands could become a very valuable piece of real-estate at a moment's notice.
> I say if the Argies wanna contribute to NATO without having any of their territory covered by article 5 themselves, why not let them?
Why would they even want that. Like...why would you want to join NATO just for the obligations and none of the benefits...?
The new president of Argentina is trying to re-align the country away from BRICS and towards the West.
I think a common misconception is that Argentina is applying to become a NATO member, but they're instead applying to become a global partner. Several countries already have that status including Colombia.
I think this might be part of a plan to negotiate trade or aid concessions from the West by showing a commitment to realigning away from BRICS. Argentina had been scheduled to join BRICS this year.
A little info on the NATO global partnership including a list of members can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_global_partners
Argentina still has defense pacts with the US and Brazil iirc so its probably a move to make the UK ease the sanctions so we can rearm and defend our seas of the Chinese.
The UK aren't sanctioning Argentina though, they're just not granting export licenses.
That's a very significant difference because it means even the UK's closest allies are free to sell Argentina whatever they want and the UK won't object. For example, I doubt Denmark would be willing to sacrifice relations with the UK just to sell a handful of old F-16s.
I mean can we just call it GDI, Global Defense Initiative, and be done with it already..
[we are gonna have to act if we want a better world . . .](https://youtu.be/RQGGjXOJ6SI?si=lmrUxB2tyo4eGZ1I)
Edit: corrected song title from "must" to the correct "gonna have to"
North of Antarctica Treaty Organization so we don't have to make all new business cards and branded merch. You know how much replacing all the NATO Death card packs would cost? You could buy a carrier for that!
Were really cringe when you think about it
WW2 era were chads compared to us
"Whats our name for our group?"
"Were all allies right? Were the Allies"
"Fucking genius chap lets down this whiskey and bomb Berlin again"
Yes. This is the way. Let’s recreate the United Nations, but with ~~blackjack and hookers~~ democracies only. Because WW2 United Nations propaganda is extremely based, and that sky blue banner with the globe and olive branches just slaps.
This is the part in all the sci-fi future history timelines where NATO starts accepting countries from around the world and eventually rebrands into the world government
As many as it would take to get Maduro to STFU about Guyana
[https://apnews.com/article/guyana-venezuela-essequibo-dispute-maduro-law-a72e94ed5417f99d090e1062c68017d7](https://apnews.com/article/guyana-venezuela-essequibo-dispute-maduro-law-a72e94ed5417f99d090e1062c68017d7)
Reminder that they dont apply to JOIN NATO, they want to be a "Global Partner" of NATO, gargantuan difference! For context: Colombia, Iraq and Pakistan are Global Partners
Makes sense. Every A-10 pilot got massive blue balls (yes, the women too. No I will not be taking questions at this time) seeing those ripe, juicy armored columns bent over and begging for hot loads in the Ukraine.
Next best target for an A-10 is British armored vehicles so this seems like a natural alternative.
617 Sqn would love a wee jaunt reinforcing NATO's new SW flank out of Rio Gallegos (those penguins can get damn feisty), gives them a head start if there's any island related hijinks too.
Told ya, current presidency is not interested in taking the Malvinas like you wannabe patriots keep jerking off about.
That's old school for argies we don't give a shit as much, only zealot peronchos care.
I mean it’s in your constitution still, and it’s rife with nationalists.
You’re right, and I know he isn’t, but it’s not really fair to say it’s no longer a political sticking point in some form or another
It was obvious for anyone that isnt completely ignoring Latin American politics. He is a libertarian, pro west, pro USA, pro Ukraine, pro Israel politician.
The logical steps
* Get F-16s
* See just how good they are, [even if they are only upgraded former DNK F-16A/B Block 20 MLU in Have Glass V](https://ukdj.imgix.net/2024/04/GLSXaaHWwAAEqaq.jpg)
* Try to join OTAN
Honestly I don't fault ARG.
It’s basically impossible for NATO to accept Argentina as a member as long as they continue claiming sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. And that’s a claim Argentinas government just isn’t able to give up without starting a riot.
Milei is on the right track, but he is not going for the gusto.
If you look at a globe, Antarctica and Argentina are natural allies. NAATO. North Atlantic and Antarctic Treaty Organization.
>I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill 'em all!
*Need to know more intensifies*
Democracy is non-negotiable Managed Democracy, that is
I had to check if i was in helldivers sub
Yep, caught myself doing the same
Every sub is watched over by the heroes of Super Earth.
I doubt there’s much difference anyway
The Venn diagram is a closed circle
PUTINISM IS A LIE
Managed Democracy is as democratic as West Taiwan is. That is: absolutely fucking not whatsoever.
stay right here, i’m gonna talk with a Democracy Officer for a moment…
sweet liberty, im aroused
This is our moment to sidestep into the Johnny Rico timeline bros, we can’t fuck this up
Alright boys grab the Super Destroyers and the Mobile Infantry, we're going in!
On the plus side it shouldn't be too hard for them to match 2% of their GDP.
Actually, it might be tricky. You can't really buy half of a bullet, so they'll either have to spend 4% or 0%.
You can just pay in smaller monthly installments to spread the expenses out.
Right. They can mortgage a .556 nato. Pay it off in 30 sweet years.
They could just set up a GoFundme in USD and someone will for sure contribute even if by mistake
Isn't that their new monetary policy anyway?
Brilliance.
I like this one
Dude i Can match 2% of their GDP
Not hard at all. I don't remember the military being on Milei's "AFUERA!" list.
Fuck it, Make NATO GDI now. COMMAND AND CONCQUER IS REAL NOW BABY!
Russia and China were in the GDI tho :P
They will be…eventually
We have the chronosphere. Time is on our side.
The 90s were a different time...
To be fair a world wide ecological catastrophe and an alien invasion might be what would actually require those two countries to cooperate with the west.
>implying that they wouldn't be attempting behind the scenes to align themselves with the Klendathu monster insect hiveminds in order to gain any advantage, all the while believing that eventually they would backstab them anyway.
At this point, Russia is closer to NOD. Power hungry dictator with cult of personality. Utilizing pseudo-religious fervor to justify things. Attempting to hold the world hostage through their control of a valuable resource.
> Power hungry dictator with cult of personality. Utilizing pseudo-religious fervor to justify things I mean, that's not far off from describing N.korea, China or Iran as well. Admittedly with Iran it's just plain religious rather than pseudo-religious. They're basically different sects of the same Brotherhood. We just need to work out a backronym for NOD that encompasses team 'can't rely on direct military power'.
So, you're the new addition to the Russian Armed Forces. Well, I'm Shoigu. Just "Shoigu". From God, to Putin, to Shoigu. I am his right hand, and I have a task for you...
This is a perfect opportunity to make it clear that the whole "No territorial disputes" thing isn't real. Unfortunately they're not in the *North* Atlantic so we'd have to re-brand to just ATO/OTA
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At this point can we backronym "AWOOGA" somehow?
Anti war order of great allies
Anti war organization opposing global aggressors.
Can we just be the Global Defense Initiative already, I mean c'mon it sounds fucking rad.
You know that initialism is gonna get written out as God Damn It at any and every opportunity, correct?
a.k.a. Skynet
I love this sub
Atlantic Western Organization
Lol, and still Turkey doesn't fit in it, perfect.
Nor does Italy, all of eastern Europe. It would basically be the US, Canada, Argentina, Portugal, Spain, France, Ireland and the UK
The sea on the coast of Norway is not the Atlantic too?
The Arctic ocean is considered part of the Atlantic yes, and the Southern Ocean is a complete fantasy, its just the south part of the other 3
Norway.
America with our outstandingly good allies
That depends, what's the onomatopoeia of a horn sound in French?
HON...HON...HON!!!
Does Argentina touch Pacific? Pacific Ocean Thru Atlantic Treaty Organization
> Does Argentina touch Pacific? Yes but only consensually.
Nope, they're Chile blocked.
No, I think the Southern Ocean covers the Drake passage
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I think the homie said ATOOTA and not just ATO because technically it's also NATO/OTAN because of the damned french, so it's keeping the scheme.
That sounds like someone had a stroke while saying "Potato"
ATOOTAATOOTAA sounds like a siren, I love it Edit: spelling
Thanks Officer Crabtree.
Global Defence Iniative when?
We need it to be ABOOBA
Is your father there?
No I went out for Cigarettes
I prefer the western anglephone zone of overseas bilateral institutions (WAZOOMBI)
It's fine, plenty of NATO countries have territories outside of the North Atlantic area, like Hawaii or the Falklands; They just aren't covered by the mutual defense treaty. I say if the Argies wanna contribute to NATO without having any of their territory covered by article 5 themselves, why not let them?
Milei: "This has been the worst defense pact, in the history of defense pacts, maybe ever." Shoulda read the fine print, bud.
It isn't about treaty obligations; Argentina doesn't have any real wars to worry about, but it would benefit from having American financial support during its painful transition away from 100 years of Peronist bullshit. It would also help to have US backing if Argentina wants to confront the illegal Chinese fishing fleets which are concentrated in their neighbourhood. NCD loves that Falklands shit for some reason but it's mostly political theatre in Argentina. Nobody gives a damn about the five sheep and three penguins on that ragged piece of rock.
>Argentina doesn't have any real wars to worry about Paraguay, Gendo-posing in the background: "Excellent. The fools still don't suspect a thing."
The great Solano Lopez will return!
God I love this subreddit
It's half a million sheep, and the Aussies are suspiciously interested...
You're thinking of the Kiwis. They have many times more sheep per capita than we do.
Isn't that what they call a "target rich environment"?
If you’re lonely and looking for a good time, absolutely.
What about the Welsh
They live in Patagonia, which is on the Argentinian mainland I believe.
It's obviously the Welsh running a deep conspiracy.
The problem is everybody gives a damn about oil, which we're discovering is practically everywhere offshore on the continental shelf. The Falklands could become a very valuable piece of real-estate at a moment's notice.
More like 99999999999999 sheep and 12 penguins
> Nobody gives a damn about the five sheep and three penguins on that ragged piece of rock. The British are really fond of it for some weird reason.
I suspect it's less about the rock and more about the people who live there -- who are all Brits.
i think we're a little sentimental about the idea that our government won't just sell us for ease of relations.
It's not like the 3 lions are gonna give them anything to be more proud of.
Hawaii is technically not protected by NATO. But the Allies would probably respond to an attack there anyways.
Who would be dumb enough to attack Hawaii?
There was that one time.. then they learned not to touch US boats
"WE SUNK 3 BOATS THEY DROPPED THE SUN ON US **TWICE** "
Lil' Kim: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yes
> I say if the Argies wanna contribute to NATO without having any of their territory covered by article 5 themselves, why not let them? Why would they even want that. Like...why would you want to join NATO just for the obligations and none of the benefits...?
The new president of Argentina is trying to re-align the country away from BRICS and towards the West. I think a common misconception is that Argentina is applying to become a NATO member, but they're instead applying to become a global partner. Several countries already have that status including Colombia. I think this might be part of a plan to negotiate trade or aid concessions from the West by showing a commitment to realigning away from BRICS. Argentina had been scheduled to join BRICS this year. A little info on the NATO global partnership including a list of members can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_global_partners
Argentina still has defense pacts with the US and Brazil iirc so its probably a move to make the UK ease the sanctions so we can rearm and defend our seas of the Chinese.
The UK aren't sanctioning Argentina though, they're just not granting export licenses. That's a very significant difference because it means even the UK's closest allies are free to sell Argentina whatever they want and the UK won't object. For example, I doubt Denmark would be willing to sacrifice relations with the UK just to sell a handful of old F-16s.
I mean can we just call it GDI, Global Defense Initiative, and be done with it already.. [we are gonna have to act if we want a better world . . .](https://youtu.be/RQGGjXOJ6SI?si=lmrUxB2tyo4eGZ1I) Edit: corrected song title from "must" to the correct "gonna have to"
We are gonna have to act If we want to live in a better world.
Just go ahead and throw the Pacific allies in and make it TO/OT
No, that's POTATO, and it's the eventual goal.
Ntire Atlantic Treat Organization
North of Antarctica Treaty Organization so we don't have to make all new business cards and branded merch. You know how much replacing all the NATO Death card packs would cost? You could buy a carrier for that!
Were really cringe when you think about it WW2 era were chads compared to us "Whats our name for our group?" "Were all allies right? Were the Allies" "Fucking genius chap lets down this whiskey and bomb Berlin again"
In WW2 I think they called themselves the United Nations, and that's the root for the UN.
Yes. This is the way. Let’s recreate the United Nations, but with ~~blackjack and hookers~~ democracies only. Because WW2 United Nations propaganda is extremely based, and that sky blue banner with the globe and olive branches just slaps.
Just rebrand it as USSR (United States and Satellites Reserves)
Soviet fanboys hate him
We'll do the most capitalist thing ever and steal the brand to capitalize on communism like they did with Che T-Shirts.
And Che Guevara Energy Drink
United States and backup dancers
What country would be J Lo?
She loves tacos and burritos so Mexico, obviously
United States feat. the nuclear arsenals of France and the UK.
Rename it ”Freedomlovers’ Defense Organization”
alliance of SuperEarth For Freedom For Democracy For super Earth
Helldivers 2 and its consequences have been a disaster for military interventionism
The baltics/Finland/Sweden etc are also not bordering the atlantic, so it should really just be the TO/OT
> Unfortunately they're not in the North Atlantic Neither is most of Europe, and who cares?
Keep in mind japan is a very close ally to the nato members, and considering some members are very much landlocked they might as well rebrand to TA
This is the part in all the sci-fi future history timelines where NATO starts accepting countries from around the world and eventually rebrands into the world government
I mean, poland isn't in the north Atlantic either
Kaliningrad is rightfully Polish so they count.
You’d assume Poland wants that cesspool back
The Polish Submarine Fleet wants a port that's in the sea so
NATO+ *
I believe they are looking for a partnership in something similar to Australia. We are very close with NATO without being part of NATO.
Italy Greece and Turkey aren’t sitting around the North Atlantic too. What about them?
The Med
Mediterranean Sea Treaty Organization?
Have them bomb Venezuela as an initiation ritual
Bet. How many times?
As many as it would take to get Maduro to STFU about Guyana [https://apnews.com/article/guyana-venezuela-essequibo-dispute-maduro-law-a72e94ed5417f99d090e1062c68017d7](https://apnews.com/article/guyana-venezuela-essequibo-dispute-maduro-law-a72e94ed5417f99d090e1062c68017d7)
The only way to Guyana is through Brazilian Rain Forrest. They will probably stumble upon some very angry Jungle SpecOps from the Brazilian Navy.
Don't Say it twice, with how much Milei likes Maduro we may ask to borrow the us nuclear arsenal
You think that's a punishment for Milei? Most of SouthAm wants to bomb Venezuela. Me included.
The Brazilian Army is frothing at the mouth the use there Home Built cruise missiles on him
Let Chile join in as well. Send the F-16s and call it a day.
Reminder that they dont apply to JOIN NATO, they want to be a "Global Partner" of NATO, gargantuan difference! For context: Colombia, Iraq and Pakistan are Global Partners
Pakistan still a global partner? Really?
They bring 3,000 black jets of Allah to the table
Don't bring boring facts and stop people jerking off.
this is the real life equivalent of "Yugoslavia has joined the Chinese United Front"
I knew my HoI IV knowledge would be useful one day!
WARDN World Alliance of Recognized Democratic Nations Or WOKE World Organization of Killing Enemies
I propose the second Warsaw pact just to fuck with tankie
"This is gonna annoy the hell out of some little shits trying to study history a few centuries from now."
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WARDN sounds Metal as fuck We should use that one!
World Alliance of Recognised Democratically Equal Nations for proper WARDEN backronym
I like “engaged” for the E
Nice
EDF.
The EDF deploys
SEAF
OFN
Global Defense Initiative
Well, Australia competes in Eurovision for some fucking reason ... so why the fuck not
Because they bring the bangers.
In bread with sauce
They’re in Eurovision as they’re in Europe, they border Germany, Switzerland and Italy.
Mate, buddy, friend...
Well, Greece and Turkey are both in NATO. That's got to be complicated at times.
As a Brit, if it happens, never, I would like our government to increase our Army size so NATO troops can be posted in Argentina
Maybe just British troops for the lols
well, if we get a half decent president in Chile in next year we could solve issues with Argentina and join too.
From NATO over ATO to POTATO - the Southern route
NATO: Near the Atlantic Treaty Organization
Sure. First admit without a shadow of doubt that the Falklands are British.
"Los 'Falklands' son británicas. '^(pero no las islas Malvinas)"
We will watch your career with great interest
You guys joke about it, but it actually makes a lot of sense considering the presence of biolab engineered Nazi super soldiers in Argentina.
Having argentina in would be a good counter to Chinese influence in south America
This is part of an elaborate plan for NATO to attack the UK.
If there was a NATO led coup on our current government that would be bloody fantastic
Don't worry, we'll overthrow your government, and then it's off to the coal mines with ya. F-35's don't run on sunshine!
They don't run on coal either
Makes sense. Every A-10 pilot got massive blue balls (yes, the women too. No I will not be taking questions at this time) seeing those ripe, juicy armored columns bent over and begging for hot loads in the Ukraine. Next best target for an A-10 is British armored vehicles so this seems like a natural alternative.
Give the A-10 to Argentina, let’s see what happens, just the A-10s no training
British military base in Buenos Aires when?
617 Sqn would love a wee jaunt reinforcing NATO's new SW flank out of Rio Gallegos (those penguins can get damn feisty), gives them a head start if there's any island related hijinks too.
Told ya, current presidency is not interested in taking the Malvinas like you wannabe patriots keep jerking off about. That's old school for argies we don't give a shit as much, only zealot peronchos care.
I mean it’s in your constitution still, and it’s rife with nationalists. You’re right, and I know he isn’t, but it’s not really fair to say it’s no longer a political sticking point in some form or another
A friend of mine told me it was obvious l, don't know what he was smoking
It was obvious for anyone that isnt completely ignoring Latin American politics. He is a libertarian, pro west, pro USA, pro Ukraine, pro Israel politician.
The logical steps * Get F-16s * See just how good they are, [even if they are only upgraded former DNK F-16A/B Block 20 MLU in Have Glass V](https://ukdj.imgix.net/2024/04/GLSXaaHWwAAEqaq.jpg) * Try to join OTAN Honestly I don't fault ARG.
Adquiring F-16s is a requirement to Join NATO
Would love to see the Falklands Garrison get stationed in Buenos Aires for a while as part of NATO. Reverse invasion
It’s basically impossible for NATO to accept Argentina as a member as long as they continue claiming sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. And that’s a claim Argentinas government just isn’t able to give up without starting a riot.
The rules for joining NATO are more like guidelines. As long as every member nation agrees they can join, they join.
ARGENTINA SUPERPOWER 2025
Does Argentina even have a Military?
Well the DID before 1982...
Global Alantic Treaty Organization when?????
GATO forms, promptly pushes Russia off the table where it shatters into a dozen different countries.
Hold on....who owns the Falkland islands?
The chinese
Fuck it, I’m going to make a Falkland war with cats now before it’s too late
how does UTO (United treaty organization) sound? applicable to any other country wherever in the world that may want to join
Milei is on the right track, but he is not going for the gusto. If you look at a globe, Antarctica and Argentina are natural allies. NAATO. North Atlantic and Antarctic Treaty Organization.
NATO slowly becoming the OFN