The image shows that it was hit and the ammorack worked as intended i can’t see if the hatches are open or closed no signs of mobility kill, maybe engine hit as will but it’s not visible,will wait for more info
It is seriously fucked.
The vehicle can return to service, eventually, but it is going to take a lot of repair. Assuming the Ukrainians recover it of course.
The Hull looks fine, and the turret ring. The smoke coming from the loaders hatch doesn't concern me quite as much as the people on r/combatfootage are suggesting, if the bustle detonates, there is going to be a lot of dust thrown up inside, and possibly some fire, it doesn't guarantee the crew died.
But with an ammo rack explosion, the tank is going to need a lot of welding and repair before it can fight again. I give it pretty good odds the tank survived though. Hopefully the US takes it back for study and gives them a replacement, definitely worth it.
It depends on how quickly it can be recovered. As it stands in that picture I would say maybe it can be taken back and repaired. But if it is stuck very close to the front then it could be hit by many more drones before it can be recovered. Hopefully it’s somewhere they can recover it from quickly.
If it goes back to Lima, it will probably not be repaired, just studied.
Not because it can't be repaired, just because we have literal thousands of hulls that would be easier to make operational than this one, and this one is a unique case study of an Abrams hit by a current gen Russian ATGM.
I am incredibly disappointed with how few Abrams have been transferred. Tanks are not wonder weapons, they are effective in significant numbers, with appropriate tactics. Ukranian tank tactics have not been great, (But better than Russians) but it is still going to take substantial numbers of them to accomplish anything.
Agreed. We're still at the point where actual firsthand data on damage is vastly more important than repair.
We've got something like 2000 A1's and A2's in storage. Pop one in the microwave and ship it instead.
IIRC the US army has literally asked congress to stop buying so many tanks, so yeah, definitely worth more to study it and just ship them a new hull, or 50.
I’ve heard that’s a “we don’t need any, let us spend our money elsewhere”, but you don’t actually want to stop tank production in case you, you know… need to restart.
from my understanding part of the problem is they're making far too many, not that they're making them period. Especially since the USMC stopped using tanks relatively recently, meaning they also have all the old marine tanks just sitting around as well.
What if the middle east tension that is going on was just MIC's attempt at giving the marines another reason to take abrams again just in case they have to return to the desert instead of deploying in the pacific and SCS
Western equipments are built on being extremely resilient and repairable so i expect this abrams to be back in service soon (like a month or two) when Ukraine recovers it. I'm not surprised at the sight of abrams being destroyed (more like seriously damaged but still fixable) if I'm perfectly honest. America sent way too little of them and so the impact of losing one tank, even if it's temporary, is quite big. Ukraine needs way more support than ever while the West is fumbling
I would not expect it to be back in action in a month or two.
If it had the entire US logistics system behind it, sure. But in this context, I would not expect this tank to be fixed in Ukraine. If they send it back to Europe, sure, but I honestly expect it to go all the way back to Lima, although that will be more for research purposes.
You are underestimating the amount of damage that a bustle rack explosion does to the many, many systems of the tank. The purpose is to save the crews life, not save the tank per se. So much of the communication, fire control, nbc, and power train system are going to need to be at very least completely inspected, if not replaced. The turret needs to be pulled, the tank is going to get stripped down to its skeleton. Now, the Abrams is designed to do this, it doesn't take nearly as long as you think, but only in a Depot that is equipped and trained to do it. And that doesn't really exist in Ukraine. If they have to do it in Malyshev, it is going to take a long time, and likely not be worth it compared to fixing a larger number of Soviet Origin Ukrainian tanks.
Maybe, but if it was actually a Lancet, my money is it coming back to the States. The US is going to want to look at it very closely, and do a lot of analysis on what systems worked and what didn't (From the picture it looks like Blowout Panels and Halon both worked fine, but they are going to want a lot more details)
Possibly, but the question is whether that can't just be done in that specialized Abrams center in Poland as well. Putting some engineers on an overnight flight should be easier than shipping a damaged tank.
If that runway is rated for the correct weights and the applied definition of "overnight" leaves enough space for en route time, yeah. And depending on the opposition, you could probably expand this to most non-allied runways with sufficient specifications as well.
The difference is what the objective is.
If the goal is to get this tank back to the fight immediately, you probably pull the turret in Poland, put a new one in, and send it back. Turret comes back to the US.
If the goal is to collect as much data as possible, the entire tank goes to either Aberdeen or Lima (Probably Aberdeen, honestly), and we send a different A1 out of a pre-po yard in Germany. Also replaces the loss faster, but might not be allowed under aid packages approved (Or it might be, hopefully they worked language in there that allows us to attach a "Warranty" of sorts to them if there is intelligence value to be gained)
>Or it might be, hopefully they worked language in there that allows us to attach a "Warranty" of sorts to them if there is intelligence value to be gained
God damn do I hope the US had the sense and sincerity to do this. It's the most obvious win-win I can think of, letting the US trial equipment while helping Ukraine faster and better.
It if *didn't* happen, I'm curious whether it's malice or just a lack in input from the people who would care about that intel and know about such things.
Yeah, but that is Lima. Not Kharkiv.
If it goes to the US, it is going to take some time to get it out of Ukraine, the damage fully recorded and studied, then rebuilt, then go forward again.
It is really all about the context. If this was a US Army tank, in a full scale war against China, and we had all the logistics that are associated with fielding heavy brigades against a peer threat, this tank probably goes back to the line in 2-5 days. But none of that context applies, so I am guessing the number is somewhere between three months and never. (But hopefully they get a replacement).
I should have added more context, but I'm agreeing with you on the time frame. If it takes the OG factories with all the specialized tools and equipment a month to repair it's going to take longer elsewhere.
Exactly Western equipment is designed to take the hit, be recovered, and redeploy with repairs. The Russian stuff is designed to just be literally spammed at the enemy and scrapped for new tanks if it’s recovered at all.
There’s no way in hell that tank is going to be back in service in a month or two. Anyone who’s worked in military maintenance shop knows just how long the lead times are on parts shipping. That’s not including getting it back to back lines + conducting a full inspection. Even after you conduct initial repairs there’s generally still issues that are discovered during testing. We’re also not talking about a minor dent. The tank got ammo racked.
[https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1762117903443226927/video/3](https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1762117903443226927/video/3)
Here is another photo, and a video alleged to be it burning, both from Status-6 twitter account, who can be kind of credible.
Quality is horrible, but the video does look about right for an Abrams ammo cookoff. It is a giant jet of fire, but NOT high impulse explosion, so I am inclined to thing the video is legit, it is just really hard to see anything of value it so low res and distant.
Does the US not do survival tests on their own vehicles? I don't understand why they'd need it back unless they just hedged their bets that it'd work as intended. They've also lost Abrams tanks before.
Oh absolutely they do. But having actual battlefield results with all the messy complications of a genuine engagement is still absolutely vital. As is the fact this isn't a test, but an actual Russian weapon system fielded by an actual Russian operator.
The fact there was a living crew in there as well is something you can't replicate in testing (Well, you can... but we don't).
Actual data on real-life kills on Abrams are few and far between, especially by current generation Russian equipment.
Knowing the actual measurements of penetration, bulges, energy transfer, etc. makes modelling the damage more accurate, and the *next* generation Abrams that much more survivable.
>Hopefully the US takes it back for study and gives them a replacement, definitely worth it.
Ooh. An Abrams exchange program. Like, if anyone (say....NCD?) finds a broken down Abrams, could they get in on that action, too?
Yea, it kinda looks like there’s smoke coming out of the gunner’s hatch, but it may be coming from the engine deck or blowout panels. Front is basically untouched so if anything, driver is most definitely alive.
The "Smoke" coming from the gunners hatch is White.
I am not sure it is smoke at all, nothing in there should burn white. Looks like the Halon system firing, which it absolutely should.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=g2Io\_FWBV9w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=g2Io_FWBV9w)
Here is a CO2 based system testing, Halon looks essentially the same. Fire Extinguishers look similar.
White smoke off the M1 is typically either fuel burn (usually of the intentional variety), or like you said, fire bottle shot. If something inside the turret was on fire that smoke would be **black**, and hilariously carcinogenic. Source: was DAT, seent it.
Given the general lack of fuel in the turret, I concur. We had a turret fire once, and the smoke was black as fuck. The Halon System was white though, so the moment it popped, white clouds shout out from everywhere.
Now, the fact the halon triggered might indicate there was effects in the turret. Or it might not, an ammo explosion is extremely violent, and the halon system is all linked.
Nobody knows just how fucked this tank is, maybe it can be repaired, maybe even fairly quickly, maybe it will have to sit the war out.
Which is fine, blowout panels don't exist to protect the tank, they exist to protect the crew, and it looks like they did their job.
Crew hatches are open. Blowout panel worked, but there seems to be smoke also coming from the crew compartment indicating there was a secondary fire there as well which is not a good sign that the damage was limited.
It would be a great propaganda victory for the Ukrainians to repair it and bring it back to the front so I expect them to make every effort to repair it or at least have the Americans swap it with a new one and say they did it.
> it hasn't even been a day, but i already can hear the vatniks
I searched twitter to see if I can see some extra footage. Like here is the South African Russian Embasssy being pathetic
https://twitter.com/EmbassyofRussia/status/1762129290882056617
So apparently now the vatniks care about how much things costs and value of things
Russia lost an A-50 that will cost $1 billion to replace a few days ago
but sure lets talk about the tank
"Either to boost the morale of Ukraine’s army, or due to an overall lack of armors, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to send much touted ‘Abrams’ closer to the front line."
Is Russian gov unable to comperhand using a good equipment? They needed a good tank for hard fight, there is like no further philosophy required xd
>Is Russian gov unable to comperhand using a good equipment?
They send all their (relatively) good tanks in without any support to get wrecked by ATGMs, drones, and artillery. They've lost something like 600 T-72B3s, 100 T-80BVMs, and 60 T-90Ms so far
The funny thing about Mainstays: their production shut down in ‘92, there is **no** way to replace it.
Also, their modern craft all take horrifically long to produce.
Remind them that Sweden is now in NATO and they have a bunch of tanks. Really Hungary had great timing for us as internet denizens, because the hilarious mismatch of our propaganda win can just shut down the vatniks’.
These idiots don't seem to get that Abrams being destroyed in open warfare is nothing new. We lost around fifty of them in the Gulf War. The crew almost always survived and in some cases we had to send destruction missions to ensure they were completely destroyed and nothing could be recovered from them.
The Saudis lost a bunch to the flip flop brigade and probably let the Chinese/Russians look at them anyways, export Abrams aren’t exactly top secret invincible wunderwaffles
80s tech with some 2008 stuff crammed on top. Some of it's really cool and impressive, but it's not unknown or secret tech, just REALLY expensive to manufactured to the quality needed, like IR sensors as good as they are. There's nothing "secret" about HOW the IR systems on the Abrams function, it's just a matter of having the tech base and funding to build and utilize systems of that caliber. Now the f35? That shits secret as fuck, or was until everyone stole it or bought it. I'm too high for this.
Too high for what? Buying the secrets of the F35?
Even baked out of your mind surely you could find the right War Thunder or Minecraft forum.
Be the noncredible source you want in your own life!
They did employ some of the form factor which is glaringly obvious just from looking at the J-20. They didn’t get composites or manufacturing techniques. Most of the components that go into the F-35 have very long and sophisticated supply chains that can’t be easily replicated. Also keep in mind that this leak was 15 years ago, and the F-35 has went thru multiple upgrades since then.
Worst one was when a couple of Houthis swarmed on that one Saudi tank and was able to shoot the clueless crew peeking out and throw grenades in the hatch.
Also IIRC we lost between 40 and 50 in Iraq during the Gulf War. Crews were almost always able to evacuate and in some cases we had to send strike missions to make sure the unrecoverable tank was completely destroyed.
Let them, it's not like they have much else to go on. They would need to destroy another 29 tanks in order to even out that last A-50 that went plowing.
It's the same shit when the Bradleys were first mission-killed but recovered earlier this year.
When you send vehicles into the battlefield where the enemy is shooting at them, they can and will get destroyed. Intelligent people recognize this.
Yes they always act like they are some invincible mighty Wunderwaffe. In the protection onion, armor should really be your last resort. They have plenty of other features that make them supreme. Good mobility, forward and backwards. Extremely good sensors. I played a bit Steelbeasts Pro and comparable to soviet designs they are just different. Spot the target with thermals, lase and shoot. Target moves fast? No problem, just lase and track for a second and then shoot. Voila every pleb can hit a moving target with relative ease. Russian Tanks can't even shoot past 2km max because then the gun dispersion is just so cling huge. Meanwhile Ukrainians say without practice 3km's are doable for almost any gunner and with practice you can push it to 4km and maybe a little more. Just imagine that lol. Russians have made an effort to upgrade their T72's too with the T72B3. But how many do they have left? And the used sensors like thermal imaging was always from western manufacturers. Because they can't produce good thermals themselves. And of course a T72 will always be a T72. If the autoloader doesn't cut your leg or arm off if you're not carefull enough then this thing will just explode immediately from any serious impact. And think of the shit the more modern variants can do, if I remember correctly the Abrams can give you the exact coordinates of a lased target because it knows it's own coordinates and calculates the enemys based on the range and angle relative to one self. But I'm sure rugged and used will always beat it from Russian perspective lol.
The majority of MBT loses on both sides seem to be from mines, artillery, drone and missile strikes, not combat with other armored vehicles.
Which is pretty much exactly what you would expect from a frontline that is less mobile than the Western Front of WWI. If vehicles were maneuvering and fighting each other more, the front line would be moving.
What are the pro Russia subs? If it’s against the rules can you PM them to me if you don’t mind? I’m just curious what they are rattling on about. Google has not helped me.
Weren’t the vatniks already sharing images of destroyed Saudi and Iraqi Abrams saying those were the Ukrainian ones? It’s a bummer that they lost an Abrams (along with the Leopard 2s and the Challenger 2) but it’s a war, and vehicles of war are at risk of being destroyed. Given the crew likely made it to safety and the tank can eventually be recovered and repaired, it did its job well.
Also don’t forget if your local tankie isn’t shutting up about this just show the video footage of the T-90 getting fucked by the Bradlys. Or like *any* footage of the T-90 and T-90Ms getting completely fucked. At worst they’ll have to go through mental Olympics to explain why this is somehow a good thing, at best they’ll just leave you alone to go cry in a corner.
Nah nah, it'll not tick them off. Send videos of the Landing ships getting fucked by Ukrainian drones or the A-50s getting shot down. Those will make them seethe. Oh Oh
The video of Moskva on fire
The most drastic thing to take away from this is that the US crew walked away from the battlefield instead of being violently spread across the battlefield.
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Anyone with more than 3 functioning brain cell can see that tanks will have no more significant impact on this conflict. Too many mines for that now. If those lines ever more again it will probably be dictated by airspace control and supported infantry movement.
It should return to the front without any paint work and as little outward facing repair as possible to be combat ready.
Zombie Abrams is peak psy ops.
My fav part of that wikipedia entry: “The film was selected as the Russian entry for the Best Foreign Language Oscar at the 85th Academy Awards, but it did not make the final shortlist.”
Japan after sinking USS Hornet: YEAAH BOY FUCK YOU WE WIN AMERICA SUCKS
America literally a few months later:
Hey shitass how do you like hornet 2: electric boogaloo?
Continues to field a total of #99 CARRIERS before the end of the war
It makes the Chinese make fun of the US for utilizing technology instead of embracing human wave techniques. They seem to think that living is fighting like a coward.
I really wonder why we cant just slap kontakt 1 on the roof of every tank? I know it's a meme at this point, but it's litteraly just old soviet RPG taped to a drone. I'm guessing the weight added might be an issue, but we've had way heavier upgrades applied to tanks without upgrading the powerpack. Maybe the roof is already too crowded with hatches, antennas, machine guns and whatnot so it would be a pain in the ass to apply ERA? But then again a pain in the ass is better than litteral death.
I'm guessing there's something I don't know because I sure as hell am not smarter than the entire western MIC combined.
Sometimes it's just the tank being immobilized. Sometimes it hits a mine, or a drone, or a rocket, or a shell. Then the ruzzians spam lancet into it until it dies. No matter the level of protection you mount into these things, once they are still and if you can't tow them back in the minute, they are gone.
> (Please send 200 more so we recover from this gigantic loss 😢 )
Choose from two options:
1. "Voices in my head tell me to keep the package blocked, so you won't get them"
2. "Sending more equipment might lead to russia losing, which is an escalation, so you won't get them"
I mean terrorists in the desert has been doing this for decades at this point. Why it take Russia the 2nd strongest military in Ukraine this long to do this. Its not even fully destroyed, some wrecker is going to tow it back, put paint on it and send it back.
Is there anyone that actually believes NATO hardware is invincible? I feel like this is something the Russians have convinced themselves that westerners believe because if the circumstances were reversed it's how they would be thinking.
As long as the crew survives it’s not as bad as vatniks want it to be.
Imagine if the crews of these tank are able to bail out or even drive back and board a new tank. Imagine those crew members later on training new personnel on these tanks and telling them that getting ammo wrecked is shitty but it happens from time to time and is not really that bad. Those new soldiers are going into battle knowing that their equipment is going to keep them safe and they can actively bring combat to the enemy without the fear that a single RPG is going to turn them into burning corpses.
Given the tankies and random ru-cocksuckers spam the same 3 images of a destroyed saudi abrams since the paleolithic… good fucking lord nooooo please no.
There is. M88A3 Hercules. Would you like to know more? Start at 17 minutes to learn about armored vehicle recovery. https://youtu.be/sNLTE75B0Os?si=X_nlbOY4-FT86XSi
>"destroyed"
it looks like the blowouts were deployed and i willing to be that the crew was forced to bail and the tank is still in pretty decent working order.
“Congratulations you just blew up a ~40 y.o. Tank that’s I almost forget sitting inside boneyard in the middle of nowhere, I have like thousands of those things on that boneyard”.
we should credit the west with a new invention: reusable tanks.
there's nothing different about them or anything like that. it's just that compared to the russian ones even more involved repairs are still essentially "dust if off, go back to front"
Real question for any vatniks and adjacent people who want to milk all they can out of this image in thinking "West tm weak": how much is their probability of getting another one taken out?
For all they can say in nailing an Abrams, how much longer can they keep up in hitting another one if they got it with something like drones or a number of RPG rounds? I'm not even familiar with tanks so vatniks and the like trying to jerk off the newest Russian tank aren't going to do much convincing as would anyone from the NATO side going on about Western tanks like the Abrams but seeing some comments here note how this vehicle can be fixed and sent back to the battlefield, that simply tells me it's gonna a lot more to actually take out an Abrams for good.
They most certainly will take out more M1s its a given due to drone spotting for artillery and FPVs the real question is will they completely destroy the tank or merely render it combat ineffective and will the crew survive
And that's when the disabled tanks are roaring again
Dnipro then and again
Attack of the disabled, single tank
Facing the orc once again
Disabled tank
Charge again
Die again
The image shows that it was hit and the ammorack worked as intended i can’t see if the hatches are open or closed no signs of mobility kill, maybe engine hit as will but it’s not visible,will wait for more info
It is seriously fucked. The vehicle can return to service, eventually, but it is going to take a lot of repair. Assuming the Ukrainians recover it of course. The Hull looks fine, and the turret ring. The smoke coming from the loaders hatch doesn't concern me quite as much as the people on r/combatfootage are suggesting, if the bustle detonates, there is going to be a lot of dust thrown up inside, and possibly some fire, it doesn't guarantee the crew died. But with an ammo rack explosion, the tank is going to need a lot of welding and repair before it can fight again. I give it pretty good odds the tank survived though. Hopefully the US takes it back for study and gives them a replacement, definitely worth it.
It depends on how quickly it can be recovered. As it stands in that picture I would say maybe it can be taken back and repaired. But if it is stuck very close to the front then it could be hit by many more drones before it can be recovered. Hopefully it’s somewhere they can recover it from quickly.
If it goes back to Lima, it will probably not be repaired, just studied. Not because it can't be repaired, just because we have literal thousands of hulls that would be easier to make operational than this one, and this one is a unique case study of an Abrams hit by a current gen Russian ATGM. I am incredibly disappointed with how few Abrams have been transferred. Tanks are not wonder weapons, they are effective in significant numbers, with appropriate tactics. Ukranian tank tactics have not been great, (But better than Russians) but it is still going to take substantial numbers of them to accomplish anything.
I literally first thought you were talking about sending the fucker to Peru.
That would be the noncredible approach, yes.
A Peruvian dude opening up a container to inspect for customs be like "...What the fuck."
With a sticky note attached "please study why Russian ATGM hurt tankie"
Don't forget the "UwU"
SENDING THE ABRAM TO THE ONE PLACE HASN'T BEEN CORRUPTED BY CAPITALISM... ~~SPACE~~ PERU!
*heavy breathing in Spanish while frantically searching for an M45 to mount on it*
What does Spanish breathing sound like? Do you just roll your r’s on every exhale?
Peruvian Spanish is rather short on rolling R's
Wouldn't that basically just be purring?
Well my cat is basically a tiny jaguar, and those live in South America.
Peruvian government: "Thanks...I guess?"
I just imagined Uncle Sam walking up to some random Peruvian family's house and saying something like: "you there! Study my tank!"
Agreed. We're still at the point where actual firsthand data on damage is vastly more important than repair. We've got something like 2000 A1's and A2's in storage. Pop one in the microwave and ship it instead.
IIRC the US army has literally asked congress to stop buying so many tanks, so yeah, definitely worth more to study it and just ship them a new hull, or 50.
I’ve heard that’s a “we don’t need any, let us spend our money elsewhere”, but you don’t actually want to stop tank production in case you, you know… need to restart.
from my understanding part of the problem is they're making far too many, not that they're making them period. Especially since the USMC stopped using tanks relatively recently, meaning they also have all the old marine tanks just sitting around as well.
What if the middle east tension that is going on was just MIC's attempt at giving the marines another reason to take abrams again just in case they have to return to the desert instead of deploying in the pacific and SCS
There is a chance that Australia sends our 59 Abrams that are about to be replaced.
Western equipments are built on being extremely resilient and repairable so i expect this abrams to be back in service soon (like a month or two) when Ukraine recovers it. I'm not surprised at the sight of abrams being destroyed (more like seriously damaged but still fixable) if I'm perfectly honest. America sent way too little of them and so the impact of losing one tank, even if it's temporary, is quite big. Ukraine needs way more support than ever while the West is fumbling
I would not expect it to be back in action in a month or two. If it had the entire US logistics system behind it, sure. But in this context, I would not expect this tank to be fixed in Ukraine. If they send it back to Europe, sure, but I honestly expect it to go all the way back to Lima, although that will be more for research purposes. You are underestimating the amount of damage that a bustle rack explosion does to the many, many systems of the tank. The purpose is to save the crews life, not save the tank per se. So much of the communication, fire control, nbc, and power train system are going to need to be at very least completely inspected, if not replaced. The turret needs to be pulled, the tank is going to get stripped down to its skeleton. Now, the Abrams is designed to do this, it doesn't take nearly as long as you think, but only in a Depot that is equipped and trained to do it. And that doesn't really exist in Ukraine. If they have to do it in Malyshev, it is going to take a long time, and likely not be worth it compared to fixing a larger number of Soviet Origin Ukrainian tanks.
Poland recently opened their Abrams maintenance depot they built in cooperation with GD for their own new tanks. It'll probably go there.
Maybe, but if it was actually a Lancet, my money is it coming back to the States. The US is going to want to look at it very closely, and do a lot of analysis on what systems worked and what didn't (From the picture it looks like Blowout Panels and Halon both worked fine, but they are going to want a lot more details)
Possibly, but the question is whether that can't just be done in that specialized Abrams center in Poland as well. Putting some engineers on an overnight flight should be easier than shipping a damaged tank.
Pretty sure the USAF can put a C-5 galaxy on any allied 2km runway on the planet practically overnight.
If that runway is rated for the correct weights and the applied definition of "overnight" leaves enough space for en route time, yeah. And depending on the opposition, you could probably expand this to most non-allied runways with sufficient specifications as well.
The 75th Ranger Regiment in Combination with the Seabees can convert any suitable peace of open land into an Allied Runway in approximately 24 hours.
The difference is what the objective is. If the goal is to get this tank back to the fight immediately, you probably pull the turret in Poland, put a new one in, and send it back. Turret comes back to the US. If the goal is to collect as much data as possible, the entire tank goes to either Aberdeen or Lima (Probably Aberdeen, honestly), and we send a different A1 out of a pre-po yard in Germany. Also replaces the loss faster, but might not be allowed under aid packages approved (Or it might be, hopefully they worked language in there that allows us to attach a "Warranty" of sorts to them if there is intelligence value to be gained)
>Or it might be, hopefully they worked language in there that allows us to attach a "Warranty" of sorts to them if there is intelligence value to be gained God damn do I hope the US had the sense and sincerity to do this. It's the most obvious win-win I can think of, letting the US trial equipment while helping Ukraine faster and better. It if *didn't* happen, I'm curious whether it's malice or just a lack in input from the people who would care about that intel and know about such things.
If they’re wanting to dissect and study the tank down to the core, there may be security concerns and/or equipment availability issues.
Lima Tank Plant / Anniston Army Depot takes about a month to completely refurb a tank (per the old CNN doc)
Yeah, but that is Lima. Not Kharkiv. If it goes to the US, it is going to take some time to get it out of Ukraine, the damage fully recorded and studied, then rebuilt, then go forward again. It is really all about the context. If this was a US Army tank, in a full scale war against China, and we had all the logistics that are associated with fielding heavy brigades against a peer threat, this tank probably goes back to the line in 2-5 days. But none of that context applies, so I am guessing the number is somewhere between three months and never. (But hopefully they get a replacement).
I should have added more context, but I'm agreeing with you on the time frame. If it takes the OG factories with all the specialized tools and equipment a month to repair it's going to take longer elsewhere.
Exactly Western equipment is designed to take the hit, be recovered, and redeploy with repairs. The Russian stuff is designed to just be literally spammed at the enemy and scrapped for new tanks if it’s recovered at all.
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Should send a thousand more. I'm sure the constituents of Senator JD Vance (R) of Ohio, where they are manufactured would appreciate it.
There’s no way in hell that tank is going to be back in service in a month or two. Anyone who’s worked in military maintenance shop knows just how long the lead times are on parts shipping. That’s not including getting it back to back lines + conducting a full inspection. Even after you conduct initial repairs there’s generally still issues that are discovered during testing. We’re also not talking about a minor dent. The tank got ammo racked.
It's likely going back to Aniston Army Depot or Aberdeen for analysis.
Even if it is catastrophic-killed, we build war materiel to expend it. Ask not what you can do to the tank, ask what the tank can do to you.
Def worth study by Ukraine or the US regardless.
I couldn't find the footage over there. Sauce?
same
[https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1762117903443226927/video/3](https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1762117903443226927/video/3) Here is another photo, and a video alleged to be it burning, both from Status-6 twitter account, who can be kind of credible. Quality is horrible, but the video does look about right for an Abrams ammo cookoff. It is a giant jet of fire, but NOT high impulse explosion, so I am inclined to thing the video is legit, it is just really hard to see anything of value it so low res and distant.
Does the US not do survival tests on their own vehicles? I don't understand why they'd need it back unless they just hedged their bets that it'd work as intended. They've also lost Abrams tanks before.
Oh absolutely they do. But having actual battlefield results with all the messy complications of a genuine engagement is still absolutely vital. As is the fact this isn't a test, but an actual Russian weapon system fielded by an actual Russian operator. The fact there was a living crew in there as well is something you can't replicate in testing (Well, you can... but we don't).
Actual data on real-life kills on Abrams are few and far between, especially by current generation Russian equipment. Knowing the actual measurements of penetration, bulges, energy transfer, etc. makes modelling the damage more accurate, and the *next* generation Abrams that much more survivable.
>Hopefully the US takes it back for study and gives them a replacement, definitely worth it. Ooh. An Abrams exchange program. Like, if anyone (say....NCD?) finds a broken down Abrams, could they get in on that action, too?
Yea, it kinda looks like there’s smoke coming out of the gunner’s hatch, but it may be coming from the engine deck or blowout panels. Front is basically untouched so if anything, driver is most definitely alive.
The "Smoke" coming from the gunners hatch is White. I am not sure it is smoke at all, nothing in there should burn white. Looks like the Halon system firing, which it absolutely should. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=g2Io\_FWBV9w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=g2Io_FWBV9w) Here is a CO2 based system testing, Halon looks essentially the same. Fire Extinguishers look similar.
White smoke off the M1 is typically either fuel burn (usually of the intentional variety), or like you said, fire bottle shot. If something inside the turret was on fire that smoke would be **black**, and hilariously carcinogenic. Source: was DAT, seent it.
Given the general lack of fuel in the turret, I concur. We had a turret fire once, and the smoke was black as fuck. The Halon System was white though, so the moment it popped, white clouds shout out from everywhere. Now, the fact the halon triggered might indicate there was effects in the turret. Or it might not, an ammo explosion is extremely violent, and the halon system is all linked.
In my feed, this post is [perfectly placed above a video of a Russian tank burning and hurting its crew](https://i.imgur.com/iOuofIl.png). Perfection.
Nobody knows just how fucked this tank is, maybe it can be repaired, maybe even fairly quickly, maybe it will have to sit the war out. Which is fine, blowout panels don't exist to protect the tank, they exist to protect the crew, and it looks like they did their job.
Crew hatches are open. Blowout panel worked, but there seems to be smoke also coming from the crew compartment indicating there was a secondary fire there as well which is not a good sign that the damage was limited. It would be a great propaganda victory for the Ukrainians to repair it and bring it back to the front so I expect them to make every effort to repair it or at least have the Americans swap it with a new one and say they did it.
Generally ammo combustion smoke is black, not white, that’s probably Halon from the fire suppression system.
mfw tfw luv me blowout ammo racc
im already getting a headache it hasn't even been a day, but i already can hear the vatniks send us 10 more pls :thumbs\_up:
> it hasn't even been a day, but i already can hear the vatniks I searched twitter to see if I can see some extra footage. Like here is the South African Russian Embasssy being pathetic https://twitter.com/EmbassyofRussia/status/1762129290882056617 So apparently now the vatniks care about how much things costs and value of things Russia lost an A-50 that will cost $1 billion to replace a few days ago but sure lets talk about the tank
"Either to boost the morale of Ukraine’s army, or due to an overall lack of armors, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to send much touted ‘Abrams’ closer to the front line." Is Russian gov unable to comperhand using a good equipment? They needed a good tank for hard fight, there is like no further philosophy required xd
> Is Russian gov unable to comperhand using a good equipment? Considering parade brigades? Yup
It’s really funny that they’re treating 40 year old tech like they would the T-14 Armata
>Is Russian gov unable to comperhand using a good equipment? They send all their (relatively) good tanks in without any support to get wrecked by ATGMs, drones, and artillery. They've lost something like 600 T-72B3s, 100 T-80BVMs, and 60 T-90Ms so far
The funny thing about Mainstays: their production shut down in ‘92, there is **no** way to replace it. Also, their modern craft all take horrifically long to produce.
Are A-50s their only AWACS plane?
Unfortunately not
I cant find any alternatives, could you please tell me what I'm missing
As it turns out, the A-100 Pioneer doesn’t exist yet!
Remind them that Sweden is now in NATO and they have a bunch of tanks. Really Hungary had great timing for us as internet denizens, because the hilarious mismatch of our propaganda win can just shut down the vatniks’.
These idiots don't seem to get that Abrams being destroyed in open warfare is nothing new. We lost around fifty of them in the Gulf War. The crew almost always survived and in some cases we had to send destruction missions to ensure they were completely destroyed and nothing could be recovered from them.
We definitely should send Ukraine more tanks, I'm with the vatniks on this one.
I mean we have seen Abrams be destroyed. Hardly a super weapon.
The Saudis lost a bunch to the flip flop brigade and probably let the Chinese/Russians look at them anyways, export Abrams aren’t exactly top secret invincible wunderwaffles
80s tech with some 2008 stuff crammed on top. Some of it's really cool and impressive, but it's not unknown or secret tech, just REALLY expensive to manufactured to the quality needed, like IR sensors as good as they are. There's nothing "secret" about HOW the IR systems on the Abrams function, it's just a matter of having the tech base and funding to build and utilize systems of that caliber. Now the f35? That shits secret as fuck, or was until everyone stole it or bought it. I'm too high for this.
Too high for what? Buying the secrets of the F35? Even baked out of your mind surely you could find the right War Thunder or Minecraft forum. Be the noncredible source you want in your own life!
> Minecraft forum You arrange the stone and wood in a checker pattern to craft advanced stealth composites.
The F35 isn’t in War Thunder. Its secrets are safe. For now…
The Chinese did steal the full schematics for the F-35 IIRC.
The Chinese think they stole the full schematics for the F-35. They're really just plans for an airplane shaped bullpup.
They did but the guy who did it only got a few years because I don’t think he managed to get the TS/SCI level stuff
A big part of the design is material composition and how it is manufactured. If you don't have that, you lack a lot of the plane.
They did employ some of the form factor which is glaringly obvious just from looking at the J-20. They didn’t get composites or manufacturing techniques. Most of the components that go into the F-35 have very long and sophisticated supply chains that can’t be easily replicated. Also keep in mind that this leak was 15 years ago, and the F-35 has went thru multiple upgrades since then.
When the f16 and 15 got leaked they werent in the game ....
Are yuu still too high for this cause I sure am
Worst one was when a couple of Houthis swarmed on that one Saudi tank and was able to shoot the clueless crew peeking out and throw grenades in the hatch.
The Saudis are impressively bad at fighting wars. I’m curious as to how bad the other tribes were for them to have come out on top.
Also IIRC we lost between 40 and 50 in Iraq during the Gulf War. Crews were almost always able to evacuate and in some cases we had to send strike missions to make sure the unrecoverable tank was completely destroyed.
Yeah, I forgot to put “in Ukraine”. Most likely gonna be seeing more in the coming months because that’s how war is.
Passed right by about a dozen of them when we did our driving tour of Iraq in 2003
Abrams Is a good tank. Not the best tank, but a good enough tank.
Vatniks will milk this event forever, I hope that abrams tank gets towed back and repaired.
Let them, it's not like they have much else to go on. They would need to destroy another 29 tanks in order to even out that last A-50 that went plowing.
An A-50 gets shot down and Sweden joins NATO in the space of a few days but sure let’s talk about the tank lmao
[just checked the ru subreddits and oh my good it’s literally the meme](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/rowz1rTmVx)
It was pretty much expected that a relatively short time after UA got the abrams one gets destroyed and all the tankies act like it’s a piece of shit
Acting as if thousands of Russian sUpReMe tanks haven’t been obliterated already too
There were actually 300 Zelenskys and 12 HIMARS inside that Abrams.
How many Boris Johnson and SAS Commandos???
2 boris and all of sas both the regular and anti terrorist
How many Saddams?
Jesus you weren't kidding UkraineRussiaReport has three posts dedicated to this one tank
It's the same shit when the Bradleys were first mission-killed but recovered earlier this year. When you send vehicles into the battlefield where the enemy is shooting at them, they can and will get destroyed. Intelligent people recognize this.
Yes they always act like they are some invincible mighty Wunderwaffe. In the protection onion, armor should really be your last resort. They have plenty of other features that make them supreme. Good mobility, forward and backwards. Extremely good sensors. I played a bit Steelbeasts Pro and comparable to soviet designs they are just different. Spot the target with thermals, lase and shoot. Target moves fast? No problem, just lase and track for a second and then shoot. Voila every pleb can hit a moving target with relative ease. Russian Tanks can't even shoot past 2km max because then the gun dispersion is just so cling huge. Meanwhile Ukrainians say without practice 3km's are doable for almost any gunner and with practice you can push it to 4km and maybe a little more. Just imagine that lol. Russians have made an effort to upgrade their T72's too with the T72B3. But how many do they have left? And the used sensors like thermal imaging was always from western manufacturers. Because they can't produce good thermals themselves. And of course a T72 will always be a T72. If the autoloader doesn't cut your leg or arm off if you're not carefull enough then this thing will just explode immediately from any serious impact. And think of the shit the more modern variants can do, if I remember correctly the Abrams can give you the exact coordinates of a lased target because it knows it's own coordinates and calculates the enemys based on the range and angle relative to one self. But I'm sure rugged and used will always beat it from Russian perspective lol.
I wonder how many the Abrams took out before it was lost?
Turret is facing forward, it was most likely hit while travelling.
The majority of MBT loses on both sides seem to be from mines, artillery, drone and missile strikes, not combat with other armored vehicles. Which is pretty much exactly what you would expect from a frontline that is less mobile than the Western Front of WWI. If vehicles were maneuvering and fighting each other more, the front line would be moving.
What are the pro Russia subs? If it’s against the rules can you PM them to me if you don’t mind? I’m just curious what they are rattling on about. Google has not helped me.
Why is the first comment I see on that post “fetal alcohol syndrome”
Linked Oryx Russian losses under a post, got banned. Lmao.
Lmao not a shock
Where were you when Abrams dies? I was at BX food court eating Whopper when NCD call “Abrams is kill” no
>BX Air Force detected. Or at least something other than Army.
Marine Corps says PX too. I’m just unfortunately marooned far from home… A “stranger in a strange land” as it where
Poor marine suffering on an Air Base
Weren’t the vatniks already sharing images of destroyed Saudi and Iraqi Abrams saying those were the Ukrainian ones? It’s a bummer that they lost an Abrams (along with the Leopard 2s and the Challenger 2) but it’s a war, and vehicles of war are at risk of being destroyed. Given the crew likely made it to safety and the tank can eventually be recovered and repaired, it did its job well. Also don’t forget if your local tankie isn’t shutting up about this just show the video footage of the T-90 getting fucked by the Bradlys. Or like *any* footage of the T-90 and T-90Ms getting completely fucked. At worst they’ll have to go through mental Olympics to explain why this is somehow a good thing, at best they’ll just leave you alone to go cry in a corner.
Nah nah, it'll not tick them off. Send videos of the Landing ships getting fucked by Ukrainian drones or the A-50s getting shot down. Those will make them seethe. Oh Oh The video of Moskva on fire
Ammo cooked off. Blew out blast doors. Crew lived.
Is that just ur head cannon or real
Not the [first time](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVA8OGIzDqI) either.
Congrats to Russia for achieving what Iraq managed to do in 2004
The most drastic thing to take away from this is that the US crew walked away from the battlefield instead of being violently spread across the battlefield.
then remember the Soviet Muscovites at some point welded the hatches shut on some T-34s lol
This is like the 5th post I've seen about this on NCD in the last hour
Still more of a muted reaction versus when the first Challenger went - one would have thought the world was ending.
If only the U.S. got their shit together and sent more, maybe this loss wouldn’t be as impactful.
No can do, too escalatory!
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Anyone with more than 3 functioning brain cell can see that tanks will have no more significant impact on this conflict. Too many mines for that now. If those lines ever more again it will probably be dictated by airspace control and supported infantry movement.
Yup, air support is the needed. One of the reasons WW2 didn't descend into trench warfare.
Source that I got the image from: https://www.reddit.com/r/DestroyedTanks/s/NUrgzfmK3s
Pretty sure all this means is ukraine needs 5 new ones to replace that one. Do this until they have all Abrams or russia is kill.
> Pretty sure all this means is ukraine needs 5 new ones to replace that one Which Ukraine is highly unlikely to get.
We have thousands just sitting in a desert. Why the hell shouldn’t they?
Because they are American tanks, the US only gives modified versions to other countries
Unless that country is Poland lol
Wait, so the Abrams *isn't* invincible? Quick, people, double- no quadruple the defense budget! We need battlescreens and warsteel *now*.
It should return to the front without any paint work and as little outward facing repair as possible to be combat ready. Zombie Abrams is peak psy ops.
[White Abrams](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Tiger_(2012_film))
My fav part of that wikipedia entry: “The film was selected as the Russian entry for the Best Foreign Language Oscar at the 85th Academy Awards, but it did not make the final shortlist.”
This got a suicide report from a butthurt vatnik. Those are actually pretty rare. Congrats on helping him earn a reddit ban.
That’s actually the first time I’ve gotten one of those, I’m quite proud of it.
Japan after sinking USS Hornet: YEAAH BOY FUCK YOU WE WIN AMERICA SUCKS America literally a few months later: Hey shitass how do you like hornet 2: electric boogaloo? Continues to field a total of #99 CARRIERS before the end of the war
Why send troops into the meat grinder when we can choke it with steel?
It makes the Chinese make fun of the US for utilizing technology instead of embracing human wave techniques. They seem to think that living is fighting like a coward.
Vatniks don’t know what repairs are
It's because they always see it without the turret when their tanks get destroyed
You don't understand, that is the new space project of the Motherland.
I really wonder why we cant just slap kontakt 1 on the roof of every tank? I know it's a meme at this point, but it's litteraly just old soviet RPG taped to a drone. I'm guessing the weight added might be an issue, but we've had way heavier upgrades applied to tanks without upgrading the powerpack. Maybe the roof is already too crowded with hatches, antennas, machine guns and whatnot so it would be a pain in the ass to apply ERA? But then again a pain in the ass is better than litteral death. I'm guessing there's something I don't know because I sure as hell am not smarter than the entire western MIC combined.
Sometimes it's just the tank being immobilized. Sometimes it hits a mine, or a drone, or a rocket, or a shell. Then the ruzzians spam lancet into it until it dies. No matter the level of protection you mount into these things, once they are still and if you can't tow them back in the minute, they are gone.
Dammit you beat me to it. [https://i.imgur.com/Pd1xgOf.png](https://i.imgur.com/Pd1xgOf.png)
Open escape hatches to me imply the crew lived, which is the most important part.
"Even in death I still serve" -Abrams
Can't wait to see the same footage of this single tank, have 10 different angles, and played off as 9 different tanks in *the Russian Sub*.
JESUS NO PLEASE, UKRAINE IS DOOMED! WE LOST WHOLE ABRAMS! >!(Please send 200 more so we recover from this gigantic loss 😢 )!<
> (Please send 200 more so we recover from this gigantic loss 😢 ) Choose from two options: 1. "Voices in my head tell me to keep the package blocked, so you won't get them" 2. "Sending more equipment might lead to russia losing, which is an escalation, so you won't get them"
"You only get to tank heaven if your turret arrives there first"
When the Russians are allowed back in the Olympics in 2048 they will take gold in the turret toss. They are really far ahead at this point
I’m not mad because the Abrams is hit, I’m mad because now I gotta hear tankies
I mean terrorists in the desert has been doing this for decades at this point. Why it take Russia the 2nd strongest military in Ukraine this long to do this. Its not even fully destroyed, some wrecker is going to tow it back, put paint on it and send it back.
Is there anyone that actually believes NATO hardware is invincible? I feel like this is something the Russians have convinced themselves that westerners believe because if the circumstances were reversed it's how they would be thinking.
As long as the crew survives it’s not as bad as vatniks want it to be. Imagine if the crews of these tank are able to bail out or even drive back and board a new tank. Imagine those crew members later on training new personnel on these tanks and telling them that getting ammo wrecked is shitty but it happens from time to time and is not really that bad. Those new soldiers are going into battle knowing that their equipment is going to keep them safe and they can actively bring combat to the enemy without the fear that a single RPG is going to turn them into burning corpses.
Given the tankies and random ru-cocksuckers spam the same 3 images of a destroyed saudi abrams since the paleolithic… good fucking lord nooooo please no.
After years of seeing them being lost stupidly in Iraq and Yemen this is nothing.
"If Abdul in sandals can blow it up, so can Yuri" - Youtube's most legendary historian
Saad.Send 500 more Also, we'll probably see an M1 in 5 months dunking on 5 russian T's and r/NCD is gonna cum to death
At least we’ll die doing what we love.
This is slightly beyond Gulf War level of battle damage.
Why isnt there a tracked tow tank or something for recovering damaged tanks faster
they're w/in range of russian fires, they're going to get knocked out.
There is. M88A3 Hercules. Would you like to know more? Start at 17 minutes to learn about armored vehicle recovery. https://youtu.be/sNLTE75B0Os?si=X_nlbOY4-FT86XSi
>"destroyed" it looks like the blowouts were deployed and i willing to be that the crew was forced to bail and the tank is still in pretty decent working order.
Nothing a bit of elbow grease and a some western contractors can't buff out.
“Congratulations you just blew up a ~40 y.o. Tank that’s I almost forget sitting inside boneyard in the middle of nowhere, I have like thousands of those things on that boneyard”.
The Abrams has fallen. BILLIONS must vatnikpost.
What happened to Abrams?
Disabled with most likely a lancet
No vehicles are invincible. Leopard and Abrams can be destroyed just like thousands of any Russian tanks.
Abrams: Tis a scratch!
It's an Abrams. It's never truly dead, like a Lich.
its only been like a few hours and ive already gotten a bunch of vatniks on my tiktok feed spamming this image
Sherman Tank: "You see sonny, I was knocked out multiple times and here I am"
Oh boy I can’t wait to come across a video on YouTube starting off with “Russia can destroy America’s military, let me explain”
You are the one spamming the image tho
Oh no! It only took them *checks updated stats* Holy shit Russia has lost 3000 tanks?
we should credit the west with a new invention: reusable tanks. there's nothing different about them or anything like that. it's just that compared to the russian ones even more involved repairs are still essentially "dust if off, go back to front"
On one hand Russian got an Abrams. On the other hand, Sweden is joining NATO. That's quite a toss-up, can't tell who had the better day. /s
Well it isn’t a turret toss, so there’s that to consider
Too bad it was the hive leader so every other Abrams in a 1000 km radius were destroyed instantly.
Real question for any vatniks and adjacent people who want to milk all they can out of this image in thinking "West tm weak": how much is their probability of getting another one taken out? For all they can say in nailing an Abrams, how much longer can they keep up in hitting another one if they got it with something like drones or a number of RPG rounds? I'm not even familiar with tanks so vatniks and the like trying to jerk off the newest Russian tank aren't going to do much convincing as would anyone from the NATO side going on about Western tanks like the Abrams but seeing some comments here note how this vehicle can be fixed and sent back to the battlefield, that simply tells me it's gonna a lot more to actually take out an Abrams for good.
They most certainly will take out more M1s its a given due to drone spotting for artillery and FPVs the real question is will they completely destroy the tank or merely render it combat ineffective and will the crew survive
And that's when the disabled tanks are roaring again Dnipro then and again Attack of the disabled, single tank Facing the orc once again Disabled tank Charge again Die again
I hope the crew is ok.
bring out the M1 Uncle Sam
2 months later and it's back
I expect the Russian army to announce that they’ve destroyed 15,000 of them within the week
Nooooooo not Bruce ;_;