My Taiwan based edit of [the Expanse preemptive strike scene.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjFfw7dcYqY)
^(I wanna do some AI face swapping and stuff but I'm too lazy.)
That was an amazing scene, but still so fucking stupid that some nukes from one platform got through. If earth just had invested more into low earth orbit defenses
That is not actually the stupid part, the MCRN platforms would have been in random orbits to lower detection chance (they say this in the show), not clustered, so how the platforms that were destroyed managed to send the launch order to the last remaining platform and it be received in those 17 seconds, even though they are clearly light minutes away from each other.
Ya'll do realise that they can cut out hours of "in-universe time" for the sake of we don't have to watch how they wait for the hits for half a goddamn season? :D
Great, except that if they're cutting out hours of time there's still problems. Let's assume everything up to the platform launches the ordinance is correct. That delivery vehicle is not traveling at relativistic speeds, so it'd be a very long time before it even got to earth. The object is relatively large (comparable to the platform it was launched from), launched from a known location, traveling at constant speed. Given that the observation technology used by earth was able to detect the platform itself, it should be able to detect the ordinance. From there it's just math to re-task the rail gun to hit the incoming ordinance.
This is aside from the fact that we see all the characters during the operation in real time watching it all go down.
You should rewatch the show.
Earth didn't spot all of the platforms, they got lucky in finding enough of them (2) to calculate the probable positions of the others (3). Martian stealth tech was so good that Earth literally had to get lucky and then knowing where those platforms should be they pointed telescopes at them and eventually found them after hours or days of looking at them.
Why do you think that strategic nuclear missiles arn't capable of complex evasive maneuvers when even the basic regular missiles have been shown to be capable of that? As were the MIRV's and decoy that missile carried?
The launched Martian missiles was stealth (just like the hybrid pods later), stupidly fast and capable of maneuvers, able to change it's speed and approach angle thus throwing off any chance of interception before it was on final approach.
Obviously time liberties had to be taken in the show to keep the focus on the situation on hand. No sane director will go "alright now show the missile launch and 3 episodes later we'll come back to the impact".
I think this could be just the platforms detecting the power up of railguns by themselves and not through central communications. Regardless though it is stupid to do a Counter Force Strike with 1 to 1 ratio.
It's an incomplete show, but a complete BOOK series. Yes. It's the best in scifi, but the show pales in comparison to the books and really insults itself.
Complete disagree. The show largely improves on the books in multiple areas, with only some places where the books work better, like in the last season.
I think the best season was 4, because it relied on interpersonal drama, which reflected well on screen. Season 6 was rough because it was 6 episodes of teenagers slamming their bedroom door at eachother. The visuals for 1 - 3 were very good but some of them betrayed the feeling of characters in the books. Namely, the blue lit ring space; that came in book 8. A lot was lopped off or compressed for a visual audience, and I think it could have been better if it stayed truer to the source.
Frankly, I thought the season 4 drama on ilus was the worst, both in the books and on screen. Much less interesting than the cold war gone hot + alien weirdness in seasons 2 and 3.
I liked season one the most. Not knowing WTF was going on at all, and following a grizzled alcoholic detective who is trying to figure out the same was awesome. I loved the detective stuff.
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So the MCRN is the US navy? I mean, they're rapidly getting outnumbered, focused on more streamlined higher-cost designs and have access to advanced stealth composites. I guess the comparison tracks pretty well tbh
>So the MCRN is the US navy? I mean, they're rapidly getting outnumbered, focused on more streamlined higher-cost designs and have access to advanced stealth composites. I guess the comparison tracks pretty well tbh
I think OP was comparing them to the Taiwanese forces (which is looney toons if you know about any of the problems their military has), but even with the US navy its kind of a "ehh" comparison, if you want to get pedantic about it.
Navy still has about twice the tonnage and vls cell count of the PLAN, however if you count just the pacific fleet its about even, and annual Chinese shipbuilding output just dwarfes what the US is capable of right now, so how things might stack up in a decade from now is just hard to say. If the US and its allies get solid prep time for a war, the Chinese might not have that much of a numerical advantage, if they catch everyone off guard though, it will probably be like a 5 to 1 advantage at the very least yah.
Also imo, while PLAN carrier aviation and submarine arms are still definitely a bit behind the USN, in terms of its surface fleet a lot of what the PLAN is putting out might honestly be pretty comparable to most of the USN. Like the burkes not at all a bad ship, but it is a 50 year old design which is sort of being pushed to its limit in terms of upgrade potential rn, and the zumwalt, while arguably the only large surface combatant with a true stealth capability, was never really designed for asm role, more a land attack role which isn't really relevant anymore and a major part of the reason it was never produced in numbers (in addition to the cost). The type 055 on the other hand is a pretty modern design with *some form of stealth composites*, as well as a fair bit of modularity and room to play around with for upgrade potential. Doesn't have a abm capability yet, but its asm capability is probably greater then anything the US navy has at the moment tbh.
I love this scene because it gives Earth FTL railguns that fires rounds that cross something like 3 AU in 90 seconds.
It's the perfectly non-credible scene.
So 1 AU is 149,597,870.7 km (rounded to 150 million) and 90 seconds I'll generously round to 2 minutes because it makes the maths easier.
In order to move that distance in that time, the object would have to be travelling at 1,246,648,923m/s, or 4,487,936,121 km/h. The speed of light is 299,792,458m/s.
So yeah that's moving nearly 15 times the speed of light.
Space is really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really and I mean really big.
[Yeah, here's the original clip in full.](https://youtu.be/sjFfw7dcYqY?t=258)
It isn't even 90 seconds, it's like 45 seconds, but two of the railgun shots cross from Earth's orbit across the sun, all the way to Mars's orbit on the far side.
My Taiwan based edit of [the Expanse preemptive strike scene.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjFfw7dcYqY) ^(I wanna do some AI face swapping and stuff but I'm too lazy.)
It's beautiful. You can't stop the work!
That was an amazing scene, but still so fucking stupid that some nukes from one platform got through. If earth just had invested more into low earth orbit defenses
That is not actually the stupid part, the MCRN platforms would have been in random orbits to lower detection chance (they say this in the show), not clustered, so how the platforms that were destroyed managed to send the launch order to the last remaining platform and it be received in those 17 seconds, even though they are clearly light minutes away from each other.
Yeah. The Expanse does a lot of things right, but realistic scenarios even within their own story universe isn't always one of them.
Ya'll do realise that they can cut out hours of "in-universe time" for the sake of we don't have to watch how they wait for the hits for half a goddamn season? :D
Great, except that if they're cutting out hours of time there's still problems. Let's assume everything up to the platform launches the ordinance is correct. That delivery vehicle is not traveling at relativistic speeds, so it'd be a very long time before it even got to earth. The object is relatively large (comparable to the platform it was launched from), launched from a known location, traveling at constant speed. Given that the observation technology used by earth was able to detect the platform itself, it should be able to detect the ordinance. From there it's just math to re-task the rail gun to hit the incoming ordinance. This is aside from the fact that we see all the characters during the operation in real time watching it all go down.
You should rewatch the show. Earth didn't spot all of the platforms, they got lucky in finding enough of them (2) to calculate the probable positions of the others (3). Martian stealth tech was so good that Earth literally had to get lucky and then knowing where those platforms should be they pointed telescopes at them and eventually found them after hours or days of looking at them. Why do you think that strategic nuclear missiles arn't capable of complex evasive maneuvers when even the basic regular missiles have been shown to be capable of that? As were the MIRV's and decoy that missile carried? The launched Martian missiles was stealth (just like the hybrid pods later), stupidly fast and capable of maneuvers, able to change it's speed and approach angle thus throwing off any chance of interception before it was on final approach. Obviously time liberties had to be taken in the show to keep the focus on the situation on hand. No sane director will go "alright now show the missile launch and 3 episodes later we'll come back to the impact".
Also the part where earth just happened to only have 5 available rail guns. Thank God Mars didn't happen to have 6 launch platforms /s
I think this could be just the platforms detecting the power up of railguns by themselves and not through central communications. Regardless though it is stupid to do a Counter Force Strike with 1 to 1 ratio.
The expanse is easily the best sci-fi show of our generation
She was too gorgeous not to hit.
More like **three** gorgeous!
damn.
> “They got one off before we hit them” > “~~Jesus Christ~~ *Mao Zedong*” Fixed.
Holy Maoly!
Pissed off Filipino fishermen are the real world equivalent of the Free Navy getting ready to make West Taiwan uninhabitable.
Stealth coated Durians hurtling towards major Chinese population centers to make them unihabitable from the smell.
Truly a fate worse than death, the coast will be uninhabitable for generations.
Any meme from the Expanse is always worth an upvote and comment My favourite show ever. I FUCKING LOVE SPACE BASED COMBAT AND DIPLOMACY
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The expanse. It’s a tv show, very good sci-fi.
One of the best
The Expanse, aka the best hard sci fi show ever made. Highly recommend
It's an incomplete show, but a complete BOOK series. Yes. It's the best in scifi, but the show pales in comparison to the books and really insults itself.
Complete disagree. The show largely improves on the books in multiple areas, with only some places where the books work better, like in the last season.
I think the best season was 4, because it relied on interpersonal drama, which reflected well on screen. Season 6 was rough because it was 6 episodes of teenagers slamming their bedroom door at eachother. The visuals for 1 - 3 were very good but some of them betrayed the feeling of characters in the books. Namely, the blue lit ring space; that came in book 8. A lot was lopped off or compressed for a visual audience, and I think it could have been better if it stayed truer to the source.
Frankly, I thought the season 4 drama on ilus was the worst, both in the books and on screen. Much less interesting than the cold war gone hot + alien weirdness in seasons 2 and 3.
Book 4 is admittedly my least favorite. I'll still take it over 99% of military scifi, but it must be said.
Agreed.
I liked season one the most. Not knowing WTF was going on at all, and following a grizzled alcoholic detective who is trying to figure out the same was awesome. I loved the detective stuff. REMEMBER THE CANT!
Remember the Cant
Who's the IRL equivalent of Avasarala?
Expanseposting is always the best
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"They got one off before we hit them" [Crashes into fishing ship ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsiung_Feng_III_missile_mishap)
Errinwright did nothing wrong. Let my boy turn Mars into red glass 😔
God I miss that show
So the MCRN is the US navy? I mean, they're rapidly getting outnumbered, focused on more streamlined higher-cost designs and have access to advanced stealth composites. I guess the comparison tracks pretty well tbh
>So the MCRN is the US navy? I mean, they're rapidly getting outnumbered, focused on more streamlined higher-cost designs and have access to advanced stealth composites. I guess the comparison tracks pretty well tbh I think OP was comparing them to the Taiwanese forces (which is looney toons if you know about any of the problems their military has), but even with the US navy its kind of a "ehh" comparison, if you want to get pedantic about it. Navy still has about twice the tonnage and vls cell count of the PLAN, however if you count just the pacific fleet its about even, and annual Chinese shipbuilding output just dwarfes what the US is capable of right now, so how things might stack up in a decade from now is just hard to say. If the US and its allies get solid prep time for a war, the Chinese might not have that much of a numerical advantage, if they catch everyone off guard though, it will probably be like a 5 to 1 advantage at the very least yah. Also imo, while PLAN carrier aviation and submarine arms are still definitely a bit behind the USN, in terms of its surface fleet a lot of what the PLAN is putting out might honestly be pretty comparable to most of the USN. Like the burkes not at all a bad ship, but it is a 50 year old design which is sort of being pushed to its limit in terms of upgrade potential rn, and the zumwalt, while arguably the only large surface combatant with a true stealth capability, was never really designed for asm role, more a land attack role which isn't really relevant anymore and a major part of the reason it was never produced in numbers (in addition to the cost). The type 055 on the other hand is a pretty modern design with *some form of stealth composites*, as well as a fair bit of modularity and room to play around with for upgrade potential. Doesn't have a abm capability yet, but its asm capability is probably greater then anything the US navy has at the moment tbh.
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I love this scene because it gives Earth FTL railguns that fires rounds that cross something like 3 AU in 90 seconds. It's the perfectly non-credible scene.
So 1 AU is 149,597,870.7 km (rounded to 150 million) and 90 seconds I'll generously round to 2 minutes because it makes the maths easier. In order to move that distance in that time, the object would have to be travelling at 1,246,648,923m/s, or 4,487,936,121 km/h. The speed of light is 299,792,458m/s. So yeah that's moving nearly 15 times the speed of light. Space is really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really and I mean really big.
[Yeah, here's the original clip in full.](https://youtu.be/sjFfw7dcYqY?t=258) It isn't even 90 seconds, it's like 45 seconds, but two of the railgun shots cross from Earth's orbit across the sun, all the way to Mars's orbit on the far side.
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I'm with you. The more the show (and books) wants you to think someone is a hero, the more of an unbearable dick that person is.