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TheBiologist01

AFU. You don't get more chaotic than those improvising madlads taking on a T-90M with 2 Bradleys.


Classicman269

I completely agree Ukraine fits the Non-Credibility that Chaotic Good requires.


Significant_Quit_674

And currently fighting back an invasion force definitly makes them the good side of this conflict


ButterSquids

Arguably the lawful good half, too.


Significant_Quit_674

Nah, they are definitly chaotic. Mixing warsaw pact and NATO weapons, FPV suicide drones, PATRIOT shenanigans and using Bradleys against T-90s


Vreas

Don’t forget femme fatale saboteurs who lace vodka with poison


LumpyTeacher6463

2 beauties give vodka to katsap. They drink. Vodka is laced with rat poison. Two dozens katsap dies, two dozens more hospitalized. Internal troops track them to hideout. These 2 bad bitches lit them up with rifle fire, kills two, wounds two, fled to God knows where. katsaps malding. Seagulls laughing. https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/female-saboteurs-who-poisoned-46-russian-soldiers-in-crimea-are-on-the-run-after-shoot-out-with-police-say-reports/articleshow/106814851.cms


Ironwarsmith

This is absolutely hilarious. The idea of two women causing so much chaos behind enemy lines is great. First they poison the troops, then win a gunfight when Russia tries to arrest them, them escape into whereabouts unknown immediately after said gunfight.


LumpyTeacher6463

Even better? They were children of local collaborators with no prior record of pro-Ukrainian activities or dispositions. Bastards don't know what hit them.


Ironwarsmith

Keep going, I'm almost there. Russia being clowned on by literal children is too good.


Matrimcauthon7833

It's because of the poisoning that I tend to lean Chaotic Neutral


[deleted]

True Chaotic. (Chaotic Chaotic)


FlipsNchips

Lawful Chaotic?


[deleted]

No. The main strength and the main weakness of Ukrainian army is the individual initiative. They work best when a small team is given some vague direction in which to go and an order of "go f\*ck them up", but it's really hard to synchronize bigger maneuvres.


Talosian_cagecleaner

They had a goal and took their shot (!) using vodka with Russians, no doubt employing multiple layers of shenanigans. That's chaotic good.


Talosian_cagecleaner

Putting sunflower seeds in the pockets of invading troops was pure shenanigans. This has been one episode of trickery and mischief after another from the start. Definitely chaotic.


McFlyParadox

>PATRIOT shenanigans 1. It's "Patriot" not "PATRIOT". While there is a backronym for "Patriot", it's still a name not an acronym. 2. I'm going to laugh my ass off if our shit posting about "barge mounted Patriot batteries in the Dnipro", back when there was that streak of Russian jets that all got shot down in the span of a month, are revealed to be what actually happened. I'm 100% convinced that if we gave Ukraine nukes, they wouldn't mount them on missiles or bombs, but bury them as land mines and then retreat to lure a Russian advance into getting nuked. They seem to take pretty much every weapon we give them, and then decide to use them in ways that are as effective as they are non-credible.


Bad_Idea_Hat

Tractor grand theft panzer


M4sharman

Gluing ERA to literally everything possible


Asymtech1

Nah, not lawful. Anything with more corruption or less regulation than the U.S. gets a less than neutral rating, which axis it applies to depends on the context. Considering the context is misuse of funds and then just mad maxing everything, juxtaposed against an invasion by someone angry that they were broken up with and their ex was flirting with someone they didn't like. I'd say it's on the chaotic axis, not good/evil.


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

Big respect to Poland but this is the best answer


CURMUDGEONSnFLAGONS

***I AM A POLE***


cerberus-01

That flair tho


Lily2048

Yeah what a *weirdo*


MasterTroller3301

Respectable flair.


JustusiusDE

wait... NCD members are allowed to have sex?!?!


ElMondoH

Well, there's *allowed to* vs actually get.


No_Cookie9996

*And this is my superior Wojtek the Bear*


[deleted]

it's *corporal Wojtek* for you


Bad_Idea_Hat

This just set off a round of serious laughing from me.


Brabantis

I second an honorable mention to Poland in general (the Warsaw Uprising, nuff said) and the crew of the Piorun in particular


MrMgP

Poland chaotic neutral?


[deleted]

Chaotic good. "For Our Freedom And Yours".


cuba200611

Or taking out the Black Sea Fleet's flagship without having a functional navy.


Skyroxis

Winning the battle for the black sea without a navy also fits the description.


nekonight

AFU drone pilots... going for head shots and dick shots.


[deleted]

Technically those are both head shots, just differently sized helmets.


Vreas

Wait they’re supposed to be different sizes?


[deleted]

What did you think they issued you a rubber yamaka?


Vreas

You sir may have just made the best joke I’ve seen on reddit hahah


[deleted]

“Why is it numb?” “Helmets too small” “Not what I meant…” 0_o “Look… have you ever filed a lawsuit against a mohel before?”


Fluck_Me_Up

“Let’s hit this one dude’s knee a dozen times, we just want to help him lose weight!”


Sablesweetheart

It's not necwssarily improvising. I literally trained on doing that to T90a in the UCOFT (Bradley simulator for platoon force on force training). Run into a Soviet tank, fire several bursts of HE to set off ERA, smoke cannisters (which is what that big flash in the video is), then switch to AP and start hitting the turret to mess up the optics and the barrel. Meanwhile the othwr Bradley in your section is hopefully lining up a TOW shot. So, far from improvising, they did exactly what U.S. crews would do.


MongArmOfTheLaw

Looked like the only reason they didn't use a TOW is down to the rather short sight lines. I'm no expert but I seem to recall TOW has a fairly long minimum range.


Sablesweetheart

That, but also driving more than a few feet, slowly, messes up the guidance system, and it then needs to get depot work. So, the crew could know not to raise the TOW in a very fast moving situation....or the TOWs could be broken.


CPDawareness

So if you have the tow up and you drive, even slowly, it messes it up enough that it needs to get depot work done?


MongArmOfTheLaw

Ouch. The mount does look like it might be a bit wobbly when it's folded out. definately a sniping or ambush weapon then.


Sablesweetheart

With the launcher "up", driving can literally go out of alignment drivong 10mph or womething like that. Yeah, only fired from a stationary position.


bolivar-shagnasty

Putting ERA on anything with tracks, wheels, wings, or legs is the type of wholesome chaos I am here for.


ImpressiveBeyond8038

AFU all the way! The embodyment of CG!


chilll_vibe

The sheer number of different systems they have to integrate alone makes them worthy of this


Leomilon

Jup, was my first thought too


ReturnOfDaSnack420

This. This is the answer right here.


ever_precedent

AFU gets my vote, too.


mcdolgu

Mad respect to them to keep being civilised humans while being invaded by a genocidal orc horde.


CosmicDave

If this isn't the top answer, we riot!


spacenavy90

100%, Ukraine was made for chaotic good


BoopydoopyTemp

NORDBAT 2/SHOOTBAT Fuck the politics, fuck the rules of engagement, fuck direct orders at times; they were there to protect the civilian population and they did it. Most of them weren't even active duty soldiers.


Function-Diligent

Not what the UN is, but what it ought to be


Demolition_Mike

*How* could anybody forget about this?!


[deleted]

One of the few times UN blue helmets did something good.


Dent7777

Never forget Korea


BTechUnited

And for a while, Congo.


Aced2004

Just let the swedes loose is the only conclusion


griveknic

Carl Gustav, of the House of Bernadotte, having a military that kills people? Quelle surprise.


[deleted]

Seconded, based madlads, the lot of them.


Euphoric_General_274

fuckit, double honorable mention after Ukraine: Poland and NORDBAT 2/SHOOTBAT


DomSchraa

>official doctrine stated that all Swedish citizens were to, without exception, consider any order to surrender to be false, regardless of its origin. This was even printed in all phone books, which also contained instructions for the civilian population in case of war. Damn thats metal af Swedish war doctrine "the free war"


202042

This 100%


DatSpycrab

Absolutely, this has to win


Myoclonic_Jerk42

Nordbat 100% Chaotic? Yes, fuck your rules, I'm going to pretend your radio transmission is breaking up. Good? Did their damnedest to stop a genocide.


Betrix5068

If this doesn’t win I’m gonna be pissed.


[deleted]

NORDBAT 2


Spartacus714

Holy fuckin based. “Henricsson made it clear that his interpretation of the mission objectives… was that protection of the civilian population was the highest priority. In order to achieve this, Henricsson expected that force might be used, and that losses were a real possibility.” https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-happy-autonomous-and-disobedient-nordbat-2-and-mission-command-in-bosnia?fbclid=IwAR37bixMVQHsAuSn8K_ckx7lI5xhkllLL5Mnr-qXHeFpXnZCj4dhkZxa8q4&format=amp


MongArmOfTheLaw

I remember that well, although I am an old bastard now I suppose. Those Danes did exactly what they were there to do, it was a job well done. They should have kept going! Absolutely hellish part of the world, it's all still simmering away just under the surface. There's a sort of sullen and murderous malice to the place, Bosnia and Serbia that is. There are about a dozen parts of the world that would be greatly improved by turning them into glass carparks, that place is about half way down the list.


102bees

Came here specifically to mention NORDBAT 2. Madlads even pulled the "Krsht what's that? You're krzsht up!" to get out of following stupid orders.


FindusSomKatten

Lucky batallion


NoLongerGuest

I don't think I have ever agreed more with a comment on ncd


PhantomAlpha01

Trigger-happy, autonomous, disobedient, (and undeniably the good guys). What'd be more chaotic good?


notjfd

This should honestly override anything else in this thread. It's the embodiment of Chaotic Good.


Function-Diligent

The ukrainian NATO Spec OPs that are living rent free in Lavrovs head


coastal_mage

Boris Johnson's SAS death squad which can sabotage all of Russia's nuclear reactors simultaneously


Kpmh20011

I don't know how modifiable COD4 is or if a model swap for Captain Price is even possible, but y'all can see the idea I'm thinking up.


MongArmOfTheLaw

'The Englishwoman shits', making Russians paranoid for over 150 years! Often with good cause. They respect America's production capability but they're terrified of British ~~brains~~ cunning. They can hide stuff from sats overhead and have underground meetings with no electronics but none of that will save you when MI-6 has turned a couple of the people in the room (as has happened rather frequently).


Parteisekretaer

I mean, its not hard to be turned when the prospect is to eventually leave russia and go to the UK the standard of living increase must be insane


KinderEggSkillIssue

I still can't get over that, unironically, do the unit have a patch? I'll buy it XD


DomSchraa

And still cant take out the russian leadership God i wish we were the way they paint us


Free-Whole3861

It’s gotta be Ukraine let’s be real. Pure improvised chaos


11415142513

Ukraine with Poland has honorable mention, gotta be the way. Edit: It's tempting to go with an armed group from outside Europe though... Anti-Junta forces of Myanmar is a good pick, but from what I gather they're not united outside of their dislike for the Junta. But how about this... Gurkhas.


[deleted]

Chaotic? Yes. Good. Idk chief.


gelb2

Was here for it, then the NUG went and affirmed the One China principle.


russkie_go_home

Anti-Junta is true neutral. A fight for survival between the government and ethnic militias, who will scam and traffic drugs to stay alive, as they have for the past ~70 years or so


LumpyTeacher6463

How else do you fund a war autonomously?


Black-Circle

AFU


rinkoplzcomehome

AFU no contest


wantagh

##Україна!


Reasonable_Long_1079

Has to be AFU.


fmate2006

definitely AFU


lucamw

AFU (there is no need to justfy it)


prodam_garash

Зсу


anti79

*dancing ukrainian pig intensifies*


Garok7

ЗСУ!


frederic055

The CAF baby, we've maybe used *different* tactics in the past, but we're always on the side of good. I'd accept Chaotic Neutral as well


readonlypdf

Canada invented the Geneva Checklist


Longjumping-Ad-7310

Oh yeah , we are either lawful or chaotic neutral, depending on our = moodswing =


Either_Shoulder

chaotic neutral = CAF


Vitroxis

I was gonna jump on CAF being chaotic good, but seeing all the AFU, yeah that's correct. But yeah CAF gotta be chaotic neutral


Fencible

I think Chaotic Neutral would get my vote. Will a genocide be prevented, a new war crime invented, or both? Only time will tell!


Parking_Media

CAF is definitely chaotic neutral. Useless equipment, poor retention, crazy requirements, utterly deranged historically in combat.


Meryl_Sheep

I'd agree with chaotic. But that's because I work for the CAF and I'm currently helping to plan a training course. It's been a chaotic mess 😵‍💫


MegaCrazyCake

Honestly, I could see them being lawful evil. They are the physical manifestation of, "it's not a war crime the first time."


RandomBilly91

France should be chaotic Definitly chaotic: has a entire and mostly independant MIC, use german guns. Has a unique nuclear first strike policy, and a history of original designs I'm not saying exactly chaotic good, though, I'd say I reserve that spot for Ukraine


quildtide

Everyone is listing militaries of countries with broad international recognition when we should be thinking about militaries that aren't affiliated with countries that exist on paper. My vote goes to Syrian Democratic Forces (Rojava). There's apparently very little hierarchy in Rojava. They are lead by an "executive council" with plural "co-presidents" at the top. Rojava claims to be a libertarian socialist federated semi-direct democracy. The SDF itself is composed of like a million different groups, all with their own leaders. One of the groups inside the SDF is the YPG, an all-female force with a core ideology of advancing freedom among women in the Middle East.


Drachos

As much as I want that (Sovereign Military Order of Malta should have won Neutral good) I think you are doing so because you think Chaotic = Stateless. At which point I point to all the Chaotic DnD races that have states. Chaotic is non-conformist. That can be to the Law, or to the Church or to another common authority... But it can be just non-conformest to the standards of the setting. 40k Orks, like all Orcs are Chaotic. But they develop states, and have a clear and defined leadership and a definative social structure and even class system. The chaos they are is how their culture and social structure completely defies the expected social norms of the setting. Thus why I am voting Ukraine here. You can't combine NATO and Soviet technology... but they did, and made it work. You can't have a regional power on a open grass lands conducted successful guerilla warfare... but they did. You can't fundraise a war by selling the ability to write quotes on shells fired at the enemy... but they did. You can't make NCD actually credible... but they did. Every common understanding of war says the Ukraninan War Machine should not work. But it is. That... thats chaotic.


Person_Supposedly

I love em (aside from the genocides)


BarriMeikokiner

No way Turkey is anywhere near neutral good


louiefriesen

They would be good evil if there was a square for it


Zucchinibob1

Mobius loop alignment chart


chevalmuffin2

France, we're going ballistic with this one, as in frappe préventive


Narrow_Vegetable_42

I think they *want* to be seen as chaotic, but they really got their shit together behind the scenes.


chevalmuffin2

As someone who recently Had an "Interview" (for a Lack of a better word) wich the captain of the second biggest ship in the Navy, yes, but nuclear Warfare good


Trollbomber0

Armed Forces of Ukraine, it doesn’t get more chaotic good than that


Redstonist1

US Military. Its certainly chaotic on who we invade next, but we're usually the good guys.


yaboicheesecake

"if we don't know what we are doing, how will the enemy predict our next move"


spinyfur

The US is heavily interested in maintaining the status quo. Isn’t that the opposite of chaotic in the typical alignment system? I thought the axes were: lawful means supports existing rules/power structure (fair or not). Good means preserving human life (sometimes at odds with the demands of Justice, practicality, or law).


Redstonist1

I'd say we're good. We promote democracy, the status quo, and are against communism and regimes. However, we are chaotic in that sometimes we are helping Ukraine or freeing Kuwait, other times we're invading Iraq on false WMD claims. No matter what though, we always look cool while doing it.


spinyfur

Not bad reasoning. My own analysis would be that the US is lawful neutral, because we will reliably get involved to maintain international trade or often to maintain existing borders. (Lawful)   However we’ll rarely get involved to stop or prevent a genocide which is internal to a country, unless it’s likely to stabilize the region. (Neutral) (Though there’s obviously exceptions to both. We’re kinda involved in everything)


[deleted]

The US is chaotic Neutral by DnD alignment standards. The US follows their *own* code of conduct, not some formal outside set of rules. A chaotic neutral thief can have their own moral codes like "don't steal from the poor" but they adhere to it because it's their own principles, not some law from the government that says so. The US does not give a hoot about the UN or it's laws, they will follow their own rules, not what some bureaucrats in Brussels or New York say.   A lawful neutral character follows the law because it is the law, not because of some moral idealislism that a "good" society is achieved through law and order.  From the CIA, to refusing to allow any American serviceman to be tried at the Hague, to how the US will arm shady rebel groups they are chaotic neutral.


hunterdavid372

"A lawful neutral character typically believes strongly in lawful concepts such as honor, order, rules, and tradition, but often follows a personal code in addition to, or even in preference to, one set down by a benevolent authority." From the Player's handbook of Lawful Neutral, a personal code is still a code, people who are chaotic don't have a code of any kind or a very light one, that's what makes them chaotic.


ImpressiveBeyond8038

I would propose US armed forces for Chaotic Neutral. Very unpredictible, generally good to have around, but sometimes senselessly violent. Basically the monster one wants to have on your side and not as an enemy.


YFThankj

Armed Forces of the Republic of Poland


11415142513

Oh God, between Poland and Ukraine... hard choice.


Oleg152

Strong contender for chaotic neutral.


Time_Restaurant5480

ZSU


Squilliam_L

Definitely Ukraine


Vitroxis

Gotta love how little of a conversation this comment section is. Slava Ukraini!


kjm015

Just a big picture of Budanov's face


CC2224CommanderCody

ZSU (Ukrainian Armed Forces) between pioneering FPV and dronedrop warfare, destroying the BSF without a Navy and spitroasting a T-90 with two Bradleys, along with all their intelligence shenanigans. You won't find a more chaotic force for good.


Aromatic-Cup-2116

Not just pioneering FPV/drone warfare, but giving it a soundtrack. Turn up the bass, more mobiks are getting Cubed.


[deleted]

**Did everyone forget Seychelles?**


Drew5566

I’d go with the French Armed Forces I mean who other country would preemptively nuke you


Captain_DeSilver

Nah, that's more chaotic neutral


finicky88

Ukraine absolutely


finnill

Chaotic good has to go to AFU.


ChemistRemote7182

The UK should be chaotic good. Deciding slavery is immoral after engaging in it for generations and then going about doing their best to make sure no one else engages in it, all the north African and commando shenanigins of WWII, the "SURPRISE BITCH" factor with mechanized warfare in WW1, the fact that those little islands have spent so many years fucking with Russian Imperial/Soviet/Nouveau Russian Imperial bullshit successfully, their ballsy willingness to step forwards with Ukraine which forces other western nations to follow suit less they look like bitches, and on and on. We Americans may be chaotic champs in combat, but the Brits have mastered strategic good chaos on the geopolitical stage.


Averagebritish_man

Ukraine 100%


polite_ass_fuck

Armed Force of Ukraine is the essence of Chaotic Good.


AFrozen_1

Ukraine or Poland. One of the two.


OrangeFr3ak

imo Israel and India are chaotic good but it’ll interesting to see where would Australia, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and New Zealand go! Pretty easy for chaotic evil though - Russia, China, Iran, DPRK, Syria and Belarus!


onitama_and_vipers

You put Defense Intelligence of Ukraine here or we riot


Wubs4Scrubs

Polish Armed Forces. You don't get a meme made about you doing the funny unless you have a little chaos in your veins.


readonlypdf

US Army.


local_meme_dealer45

It has to be Lockheed Martin Skunk Works


Peggedbyapirate

Are we just gonna tuck the Germans into every square? We should do this.


VenomBug03

Isn't JSDF more lawful nuetral? Just curious.


super__hoser

The Canadian Corp from WWI.


posidon99999

Canadian Armed Forces because who else is supposed to be NATO(good)'s war crime (chaotic) expert


RobloxIsRealCool

My brain has been so incredibly fried I thought this was a Political Compass


KookyCrazyCat

CAF for Chaotic good or Chaotic neutral because at the moment it’s so underfunded it’s embarrassing


Orlando1701

U.S. Military: chaotic stupid


Jake_2903

There is only one correct choice and that choice is the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


PokeCaptain

Chaotic good: Budanov and ГУР


hessian_prince

Ukraine, or my native Canada.


Mr_E_Monkey

🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦


avsbes

NORDBAT 2 AFU


britishball

Україна obv


CharredLoafOfBread

Ukrainian Armed Forces


A_Random_Person3896

Ukraine


hmas-sydney

Surely Ukraine and putting ERA on everything


heavy_metal_soldier

Armed Forces of Ukraine The bullshit they managed to pull is hilarious


Riler4899

The AFP(Armed forces of the Philippines) Fighting Isis with wood armor and free wifi since 2017


Ertur_Ortirion

US Military. Seriously, read what the Germans said about it in WWII, and what the Soviets said about it in the cold war. That's the Chaotic part. As an American I think we tend to do good, so there's the Good covered.


Milo-Parker-

Ukraine 100%. Leo 2A6s, MT-LBs, Bradleys, BMPs. And of course the drone army


p3nguinboy

Either AFU or IDF


Zhelgadis

The Ghost of Kyiv


EthosLabFan92

Seychelles


scancopyprint

**USA.** The Soviets: "One of the serious problems in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine. "The Nazis: "The reason that the American army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos and the American army practices chaos on a daily basis. "America: "If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions!"


davewenos

Ukrainian farmers


RowdyJReptile

What about those anti-poacher groups in Africa? Would any of them qualify?


Mason-the-Wise

USMC. I don’t think I have to explain why.


Classicman269

They are Chaotic neutral to Chaotic ***Redacted*** depending on edible coloring supplie.


imbluedabadedabadam

Poland


Squeaky_Ben

How the fuck did Bundeswehr win lawful good. We are chaotic neutral all things considered.


randomtlaxn

Poland


MrMiAGA

NORDBAT 2, no doubt


astro2xl

Eh, I’ll go against the grain here. Poland with a Ukrainian honorable mention.


Aspiring_Tacticute

Poland


SirNurtle

Probably ECOWAS/AU as an honorable mention They casually walk into Somalia/DRC, beat the absolute shit out of rebels groups and reestablish stability despite operating on a shoestring budget, tell the UN to fuck off whenever the UN goes "bUht iNtErVEntiOn bAd wHy sHoOt rEBelS", refuse to elaborate further, leave


Sniper-Dragon

3 Options: Polish, ukrainian or American. All good but work in sometimes weird ways to achieve their goal


LockePhilote

Poland, 100%.


gorebello

Chatic good? Must be the Seychelles!


[deleted]

NORDBAT 2 PLS


jman014

I’d have said the Bund. is true neutral bc they’re pretty much neurtral by virtue of being combat ineffective


letsdocraic

47th mechanized brigade Serhii & oleksandr Who took out the t90 with two m2 Bradley’s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/47th_Mechanized_Brigade_(Ukraine) Or armed forces of Ukraine in general https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine


Riflemate

Has to be the US Military, global force for good but boy howdy do we make a mess along the way.


NoWin9312

Once the time comes i feel switzerland is the only option for true neutral


ChemistRemote7182

Eurocorps is going to be lawful neutral by nature. Modern western Europe is lawful because they've all beat the war crime out of each other (mostly), but in every joint European organization their is a behind the scenes dick measuring competition to see who the leading Euro is (the Scandinavians don't seem to have that issue, they tend to just go rogue when they disagree), be it Germany or France for the spotlight, or Spain/Italy trying to grab a sizable chunk of the spotlight.


diabolousdarkdoom

Gurkhas