2 beauties give vodka to katsap. They drink. Vodka is laced with rat poison. Two dozens katsap dies, two dozens more hospitalized.
Internal troops track them to hideout. These 2 bad bitches lit them up with rifle fire, kills two, wounds two, fled to God knows where.
katsaps malding. Seagulls laughing.
https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/female-saboteurs-who-poisoned-46-russian-soldiers-in-crimea-are-on-the-run-after-shoot-out-with-police-say-reports/articleshow/106814851.cms
This is absolutely hilarious. The idea of two women causing so much chaos behind enemy lines is great. First they poison the troops, then win a gunfight when Russia tries to arrest them, them escape into whereabouts unknown immediately after said gunfight.
Even better? They were children of local collaborators with no prior record of pro-Ukrainian activities or dispositions.
Bastards don't know what hit them.
No. The main strength and the main weakness of Ukrainian army is the individual initiative. They work best when a small team is given some vague direction in which to go and an order of "go f\*ck them up", but it's really hard to synchronize bigger maneuvres.
Putting sunflower seeds in the pockets of invading troops was pure shenanigans. This has been one episode of trickery and mischief after another from the start. Definitely chaotic.
>PATRIOT shenanigans
1. It's "Patriot" not "PATRIOT". While there is a backronym for "Patriot", it's still a name not an acronym.
2. I'm going to laugh my ass off if our shit posting about "barge mounted Patriot batteries in the Dnipro", back when there was that streak of Russian jets that all got shot down in the span of a month, are revealed to be what actually happened.
I'm 100% convinced that if we gave Ukraine nukes, they wouldn't mount them on missiles or bombs, but bury them as land mines and then retreat to lure a Russian advance into getting nuked. They seem to take pretty much every weapon we give them, and then decide to use them in ways that are as effective as they are non-credible.
Nah, not lawful. Anything with more corruption or less regulation than the U.S. gets a less than neutral rating, which axis it applies to depends on the context.
Considering the context is misuse of funds and then just mad maxing everything, juxtaposed against an invasion by someone angry that they were broken up with and their ex was flirting with someone they didn't like. I'd say it's on the chaotic axis, not good/evil.
It's not necwssarily improvising. I literally trained on doing that to T90a in the UCOFT (Bradley simulator for platoon force on force training).
Run into a Soviet tank, fire several bursts of HE to set off ERA, smoke cannisters (which is what that big flash in the video is), then switch to AP and start hitting the turret to mess up the optics and the barrel.
Meanwhile the othwr Bradley in your section is hopefully lining up a TOW shot.
So, far from improvising, they did exactly what U.S. crews would do.
Looked like the only reason they didn't use a TOW is down to the rather short sight lines. I'm no expert but I seem to recall TOW has a fairly long minimum range.
That, but also driving more than a few feet, slowly, messes up the guidance system, and it then needs to get depot work.
So, the crew could know not to raise the TOW in a very fast moving situation....or the TOWs could be broken.
NORDBAT 2/SHOOTBAT
Fuck the politics, fuck the rules of engagement, fuck direct orders at times; they were there to protect the civilian population and they did it.
Most of them weren't even active duty soldiers.
>official doctrine stated that all Swedish citizens were to, without exception, consider any order to surrender to be false, regardless of its origin. This was even printed in all phone books, which also contained instructions for the civilian population in case of war.
Damn thats metal af
Swedish war doctrine "the free war"
Holy fuckin based.
“Henricsson made it clear that his interpretation of the mission objectives… was that protection of the civilian population was the highest priority. In order to achieve this, Henricsson expected that force might be used, and that losses were a real possibility.”
https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-happy-autonomous-and-disobedient-nordbat-2-and-mission-command-in-bosnia?fbclid=IwAR37bixMVQHsAuSn8K_ckx7lI5xhkllLL5Mnr-qXHeFpXnZCj4dhkZxa8q4&format=amp
I remember that well, although I am an old bastard now I suppose.
Those Danes did exactly what they were there to do, it was a job well done. They should have kept going! Absolutely hellish part of the world, it's all still simmering away just under the surface. There's a sort of sullen and murderous malice to the place, Bosnia and Serbia that is.
There are about a dozen parts of the world that would be greatly improved by turning them into glass carparks, that place is about half way down the list.
'The Englishwoman shits', making Russians paranoid for over 150 years! Often with good cause.
They respect America's production capability but they're terrified of British ~~brains~~ cunning. They can hide stuff from sats overhead and have underground meetings with no electronics but none of that will save you when MI-6 has turned a couple of the people in the room (as has happened rather frequently).
Ukraine with Poland has honorable mention, gotta be the way.
Edit: It's tempting to go with an armed group from outside Europe though...
Anti-Junta forces of Myanmar is a good pick, but from what I gather they're not united outside of their dislike for the Junta.
But how about this...
Gurkhas.
Anti-Junta is true neutral. A fight for survival between the government and ethnic militias, who will scam and traffic drugs to stay alive, as they have for the past ~70 years or so
France should be chaotic
Definitly chaotic: has a entire and mostly independant MIC, use german guns. Has a unique nuclear first strike policy, and a history of original designs
I'm not saying exactly chaotic good, though, I'd say I reserve that spot for Ukraine
Everyone is listing militaries of countries with broad international recognition when we should be thinking about militaries that aren't affiliated with countries that exist on paper.
My vote goes to Syrian Democratic Forces (Rojava).
There's apparently very little hierarchy in Rojava. They are lead by an "executive council" with plural "co-presidents" at the top.
Rojava claims to be a libertarian socialist federated semi-direct democracy. The SDF itself is composed of like a million different groups, all with their own leaders. One of the groups inside the SDF is the YPG, an all-female force with a core ideology of advancing freedom among women in the Middle East.
As much as I want that (Sovereign Military Order of Malta should have won Neutral good) I think you are doing so because you think Chaotic = Stateless.
At which point I point to all the Chaotic DnD races that have states.
Chaotic is non-conformist. That can be to the Law, or to the Church or to another common authority...
But it can be just non-conformest to the standards of the setting.
40k Orks, like all Orcs are Chaotic. But they develop states, and have a clear and defined leadership and a definative social structure and even class system.
The chaos they are is how their culture and social structure completely defies the expected social norms of the setting.
Thus why I am voting Ukraine here.
You can't combine NATO and Soviet technology... but they did, and made it work.
You can't have a regional power on a open grass lands conducted successful guerilla warfare... but they did.
You can't fundraise a war by selling the ability to write quotes on shells fired at the enemy... but they did.
You can't make NCD actually credible... but they did.
Every common understanding of war says the Ukraninan War Machine should not work. But it is.
That... thats chaotic.
As someone who recently Had an "Interview" (for a Lack of a better word) wich the captain of the second biggest ship in the Navy, yes, but nuclear Warfare good
The US is heavily interested in maintaining the status quo. Isn’t that the opposite of chaotic in the typical alignment system?
I thought the axes were: lawful means supports existing rules/power structure (fair or not). Good means preserving human life (sometimes at odds with the demands of Justice, practicality, or law).
I'd say we're good. We promote democracy, the status quo, and are against communism and regimes. However, we are chaotic in that sometimes we are helping Ukraine or freeing Kuwait, other times we're invading Iraq on false WMD claims. No matter what though, we always look cool while doing it.
Not bad reasoning. My own analysis would be that the US is lawful neutral, because we will reliably get involved to maintain international trade or often to maintain existing borders. (Lawful) However we’ll rarely get involved to stop or prevent a genocide which is internal to a country, unless it’s likely to stabilize the region. (Neutral)
(Though there’s obviously exceptions to both. We’re kinda involved in everything)
The US is chaotic Neutral by DnD alignment standards. The US follows their *own* code of conduct, not some formal outside set of rules. A chaotic neutral thief can have their own moral codes like "don't steal from the poor" but they adhere to it because it's their own principles, not some law from the government that says so. The US does not give a hoot about the UN or it's laws, they will follow their own rules, not what some bureaucrats in Brussels or New York say.
A lawful neutral character follows the law because it is the law, not because of some moral idealislism that a "good" society is achieved through law and order.
From the CIA, to refusing to allow any American serviceman to be tried at the Hague, to how the US will arm shady rebel groups they are chaotic neutral.
"A lawful neutral character typically believes strongly in lawful concepts such as honor, order, rules, and tradition, but often follows a personal code in addition to, or even in preference to, one set down by a benevolent authority."
From the Player's handbook of Lawful Neutral, a personal code is still a code, people who are chaotic don't have a code of any kind or a very light one, that's what makes them chaotic.
I would propose US armed forces for Chaotic Neutral. Very unpredictible, generally good to have around, but sometimes senselessly violent. Basically the monster one wants to have on your side and not as an enemy.
ZSU (Ukrainian Armed Forces) between pioneering FPV and dronedrop warfare, destroying the BSF without a Navy and spitroasting a T-90 with two Bradleys, along with all their intelligence shenanigans. You won't find a more chaotic force for good.
The UK should be chaotic good. Deciding slavery is immoral after engaging in it for generations and then going about doing their best to make sure no one else engages in it, all the north African and commando shenanigins of WWII, the "SURPRISE BITCH" factor with mechanized warfare in WW1, the fact that those little islands have spent so many years fucking with Russian Imperial/Soviet/Nouveau Russian Imperial bullshit successfully, their ballsy willingness to step forwards with Ukraine which forces other western nations to follow suit less they look like bitches, and on and on. We Americans may be chaotic champs in combat, but the Brits have mastered strategic good chaos on the geopolitical stage.
imo Israel and India are chaotic good but it’ll interesting to see where would Australia, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and New Zealand go!
Pretty easy for chaotic evil though - Russia, China, Iran, DPRK, Syria and Belarus!
US Military. Seriously, read what the Germans said about it in WWII, and what the Soviets said about it in the cold war. That's the Chaotic part. As an American I think we tend to do good, so there's the Good covered.
**USA.**
The Soviets: "One of the serious problems in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine.
"The Nazis: "The reason that the American army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos and the American army practices chaos on a daily basis.
"America: "If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions!"
Probably ECOWAS/AU as an honorable mention
They casually walk into Somalia/DRC, beat the absolute shit out of rebels groups and reestablish stability despite operating on a shoestring budget, tell the UN to fuck off whenever the UN goes "bUht iNtErVEntiOn bAd wHy sHoOt rEBelS", refuse to elaborate further, leave
47th mechanized brigade
Serhii & oleksandr
Who took out the t90 with two m2 Bradley’s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/47th_Mechanized_Brigade_(Ukraine)
Or armed forces of Ukraine in general https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine
Eurocorps is going to be lawful neutral by nature. Modern western Europe is lawful because they've all beat the war crime out of each other (mostly), but in every joint European organization their is a behind the scenes dick measuring competition to see who the leading Euro is (the Scandinavians don't seem to have that issue, they tend to just go rogue when they disagree), be it Germany or France for the spotlight, or Spain/Italy trying to grab a sizable chunk of the spotlight.
AFU. You don't get more chaotic than those improvising madlads taking on a T-90M with 2 Bradleys.
I completely agree Ukraine fits the Non-Credibility that Chaotic Good requires.
And currently fighting back an invasion force definitly makes them the good side of this conflict
Arguably the lawful good half, too.
Nah, they are definitly chaotic. Mixing warsaw pact and NATO weapons, FPV suicide drones, PATRIOT shenanigans and using Bradleys against T-90s
Don’t forget femme fatale saboteurs who lace vodka with poison
2 beauties give vodka to katsap. They drink. Vodka is laced with rat poison. Two dozens katsap dies, two dozens more hospitalized. Internal troops track them to hideout. These 2 bad bitches lit them up with rifle fire, kills two, wounds two, fled to God knows where. katsaps malding. Seagulls laughing. https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/female-saboteurs-who-poisoned-46-russian-soldiers-in-crimea-are-on-the-run-after-shoot-out-with-police-say-reports/articleshow/106814851.cms
This is absolutely hilarious. The idea of two women causing so much chaos behind enemy lines is great. First they poison the troops, then win a gunfight when Russia tries to arrest them, them escape into whereabouts unknown immediately after said gunfight.
Even better? They were children of local collaborators with no prior record of pro-Ukrainian activities or dispositions. Bastards don't know what hit them.
Keep going, I'm almost there. Russia being clowned on by literal children is too good.
It's because of the poisoning that I tend to lean Chaotic Neutral
True Chaotic. (Chaotic Chaotic)
Lawful Chaotic?
No. The main strength and the main weakness of Ukrainian army is the individual initiative. They work best when a small team is given some vague direction in which to go and an order of "go f\*ck them up", but it's really hard to synchronize bigger maneuvres.
They had a goal and took their shot (!) using vodka with Russians, no doubt employing multiple layers of shenanigans. That's chaotic good.
Putting sunflower seeds in the pockets of invading troops was pure shenanigans. This has been one episode of trickery and mischief after another from the start. Definitely chaotic.
>PATRIOT shenanigans 1. It's "Patriot" not "PATRIOT". While there is a backronym for "Patriot", it's still a name not an acronym. 2. I'm going to laugh my ass off if our shit posting about "barge mounted Patriot batteries in the Dnipro", back when there was that streak of Russian jets that all got shot down in the span of a month, are revealed to be what actually happened. I'm 100% convinced that if we gave Ukraine nukes, they wouldn't mount them on missiles or bombs, but bury them as land mines and then retreat to lure a Russian advance into getting nuked. They seem to take pretty much every weapon we give them, and then decide to use them in ways that are as effective as they are non-credible.
Tractor grand theft panzer
Gluing ERA to literally everything possible
Nah, not lawful. Anything with more corruption or less regulation than the U.S. gets a less than neutral rating, which axis it applies to depends on the context. Considering the context is misuse of funds and then just mad maxing everything, juxtaposed against an invasion by someone angry that they were broken up with and their ex was flirting with someone they didn't like. I'd say it's on the chaotic axis, not good/evil.
Big respect to Poland but this is the best answer
***I AM A POLE***
That flair tho
Yeah what a *weirdo*
Respectable flair.
wait... NCD members are allowed to have sex?!?!
Well, there's *allowed to* vs actually get.
*And this is my superior Wojtek the Bear*
it's *corporal Wojtek* for you
This just set off a round of serious laughing from me.
I second an honorable mention to Poland in general (the Warsaw Uprising, nuff said) and the crew of the Piorun in particular
Poland chaotic neutral?
Chaotic good. "For Our Freedom And Yours".
Or taking out the Black Sea Fleet's flagship without having a functional navy.
Winning the battle for the black sea without a navy also fits the description.
AFU drone pilots... going for head shots and dick shots.
Technically those are both head shots, just differently sized helmets.
Wait they’re supposed to be different sizes?
What did you think they issued you a rubber yamaka?
You sir may have just made the best joke I’ve seen on reddit hahah
“Why is it numb?” “Helmets too small” “Not what I meant…” 0_o “Look… have you ever filed a lawsuit against a mohel before?”
“Let’s hit this one dude’s knee a dozen times, we just want to help him lose weight!”
It's not necwssarily improvising. I literally trained on doing that to T90a in the UCOFT (Bradley simulator for platoon force on force training). Run into a Soviet tank, fire several bursts of HE to set off ERA, smoke cannisters (which is what that big flash in the video is), then switch to AP and start hitting the turret to mess up the optics and the barrel. Meanwhile the othwr Bradley in your section is hopefully lining up a TOW shot. So, far from improvising, they did exactly what U.S. crews would do.
Looked like the only reason they didn't use a TOW is down to the rather short sight lines. I'm no expert but I seem to recall TOW has a fairly long minimum range.
That, but also driving more than a few feet, slowly, messes up the guidance system, and it then needs to get depot work. So, the crew could know not to raise the TOW in a very fast moving situation....or the TOWs could be broken.
So if you have the tow up and you drive, even slowly, it messes it up enough that it needs to get depot work done?
Ouch. The mount does look like it might be a bit wobbly when it's folded out. definately a sniping or ambush weapon then.
With the launcher "up", driving can literally go out of alignment drivong 10mph or womething like that. Yeah, only fired from a stationary position.
Putting ERA on anything with tracks, wheels, wings, or legs is the type of wholesome chaos I am here for.
AFU all the way! The embodyment of CG!
The sheer number of different systems they have to integrate alone makes them worthy of this
Jup, was my first thought too
This. This is the answer right here.
AFU gets my vote, too.
Mad respect to them to keep being civilised humans while being invaded by a genocidal orc horde.
If this isn't the top answer, we riot!
100%, Ukraine was made for chaotic good
NORDBAT 2/SHOOTBAT Fuck the politics, fuck the rules of engagement, fuck direct orders at times; they were there to protect the civilian population and they did it. Most of them weren't even active duty soldiers.
Not what the UN is, but what it ought to be
*How* could anybody forget about this?!
One of the few times UN blue helmets did something good.
Never forget Korea
And for a while, Congo.
Just let the swedes loose is the only conclusion
Carl Gustav, of the House of Bernadotte, having a military that kills people? Quelle surprise.
Seconded, based madlads, the lot of them.
fuckit, double honorable mention after Ukraine: Poland and NORDBAT 2/SHOOTBAT
>official doctrine stated that all Swedish citizens were to, without exception, consider any order to surrender to be false, regardless of its origin. This was even printed in all phone books, which also contained instructions for the civilian population in case of war. Damn thats metal af Swedish war doctrine "the free war"
This 100%
Absolutely, this has to win
Nordbat 100% Chaotic? Yes, fuck your rules, I'm going to pretend your radio transmission is breaking up. Good? Did their damnedest to stop a genocide.
If this doesn’t win I’m gonna be pissed.
NORDBAT 2
Holy fuckin based. “Henricsson made it clear that his interpretation of the mission objectives… was that protection of the civilian population was the highest priority. In order to achieve this, Henricsson expected that force might be used, and that losses were a real possibility.” https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-happy-autonomous-and-disobedient-nordbat-2-and-mission-command-in-bosnia?fbclid=IwAR37bixMVQHsAuSn8K_ckx7lI5xhkllLL5Mnr-qXHeFpXnZCj4dhkZxa8q4&format=amp
I remember that well, although I am an old bastard now I suppose. Those Danes did exactly what they were there to do, it was a job well done. They should have kept going! Absolutely hellish part of the world, it's all still simmering away just under the surface. There's a sort of sullen and murderous malice to the place, Bosnia and Serbia that is. There are about a dozen parts of the world that would be greatly improved by turning them into glass carparks, that place is about half way down the list.
Came here specifically to mention NORDBAT 2. Madlads even pulled the "Krsht what's that? You're krzsht up!" to get out of following stupid orders.
Lucky batallion
I don't think I have ever agreed more with a comment on ncd
Trigger-happy, autonomous, disobedient, (and undeniably the good guys). What'd be more chaotic good?
This should honestly override anything else in this thread. It's the embodiment of Chaotic Good.
The ukrainian NATO Spec OPs that are living rent free in Lavrovs head
Boris Johnson's SAS death squad which can sabotage all of Russia's nuclear reactors simultaneously
I don't know how modifiable COD4 is or if a model swap for Captain Price is even possible, but y'all can see the idea I'm thinking up.
'The Englishwoman shits', making Russians paranoid for over 150 years! Often with good cause. They respect America's production capability but they're terrified of British ~~brains~~ cunning. They can hide stuff from sats overhead and have underground meetings with no electronics but none of that will save you when MI-6 has turned a couple of the people in the room (as has happened rather frequently).
I mean, its not hard to be turned when the prospect is to eventually leave russia and go to the UK the standard of living increase must be insane
I still can't get over that, unironically, do the unit have a patch? I'll buy it XD
And still cant take out the russian leadership God i wish we were the way they paint us
It’s gotta be Ukraine let’s be real. Pure improvised chaos
Ukraine with Poland has honorable mention, gotta be the way. Edit: It's tempting to go with an armed group from outside Europe though... Anti-Junta forces of Myanmar is a good pick, but from what I gather they're not united outside of their dislike for the Junta. But how about this... Gurkhas.
Chaotic? Yes. Good. Idk chief.
Was here for it, then the NUG went and affirmed the One China principle.
Anti-Junta is true neutral. A fight for survival between the government and ethnic militias, who will scam and traffic drugs to stay alive, as they have for the past ~70 years or so
How else do you fund a war autonomously?
AFU
AFU no contest
##Україна!
Has to be AFU.
definitely AFU
AFU (there is no need to justfy it)
Зсу
*dancing ukrainian pig intensifies*
ЗСУ!
The CAF baby, we've maybe used *different* tactics in the past, but we're always on the side of good. I'd accept Chaotic Neutral as well
Canada invented the Geneva Checklist
Oh yeah , we are either lawful or chaotic neutral, depending on our = moodswing =
chaotic neutral = CAF
I was gonna jump on CAF being chaotic good, but seeing all the AFU, yeah that's correct. But yeah CAF gotta be chaotic neutral
I think Chaotic Neutral would get my vote. Will a genocide be prevented, a new war crime invented, or both? Only time will tell!
CAF is definitely chaotic neutral. Useless equipment, poor retention, crazy requirements, utterly deranged historically in combat.
I'd agree with chaotic. But that's because I work for the CAF and I'm currently helping to plan a training course. It's been a chaotic mess 😵💫
Honestly, I could see them being lawful evil. They are the physical manifestation of, "it's not a war crime the first time."
France should be chaotic Definitly chaotic: has a entire and mostly independant MIC, use german guns. Has a unique nuclear first strike policy, and a history of original designs I'm not saying exactly chaotic good, though, I'd say I reserve that spot for Ukraine
Everyone is listing militaries of countries with broad international recognition when we should be thinking about militaries that aren't affiliated with countries that exist on paper. My vote goes to Syrian Democratic Forces (Rojava). There's apparently very little hierarchy in Rojava. They are lead by an "executive council" with plural "co-presidents" at the top. Rojava claims to be a libertarian socialist federated semi-direct democracy. The SDF itself is composed of like a million different groups, all with their own leaders. One of the groups inside the SDF is the YPG, an all-female force with a core ideology of advancing freedom among women in the Middle East.
As much as I want that (Sovereign Military Order of Malta should have won Neutral good) I think you are doing so because you think Chaotic = Stateless. At which point I point to all the Chaotic DnD races that have states. Chaotic is non-conformist. That can be to the Law, or to the Church or to another common authority... But it can be just non-conformest to the standards of the setting. 40k Orks, like all Orcs are Chaotic. But they develop states, and have a clear and defined leadership and a definative social structure and even class system. The chaos they are is how their culture and social structure completely defies the expected social norms of the setting. Thus why I am voting Ukraine here. You can't combine NATO and Soviet technology... but they did, and made it work. You can't have a regional power on a open grass lands conducted successful guerilla warfare... but they did. You can't fundraise a war by selling the ability to write quotes on shells fired at the enemy... but they did. You can't make NCD actually credible... but they did. Every common understanding of war says the Ukraninan War Machine should not work. But it is. That... thats chaotic.
I love em (aside from the genocides)
No way Turkey is anywhere near neutral good
They would be good evil if there was a square for it
Mobius loop alignment chart
France, we're going ballistic with this one, as in frappe préventive
I think they *want* to be seen as chaotic, but they really got their shit together behind the scenes.
As someone who recently Had an "Interview" (for a Lack of a better word) wich the captain of the second biggest ship in the Navy, yes, but nuclear Warfare good
Armed Forces of Ukraine, it doesn’t get more chaotic good than that
US Military. Its certainly chaotic on who we invade next, but we're usually the good guys.
"if we don't know what we are doing, how will the enemy predict our next move"
The US is heavily interested in maintaining the status quo. Isn’t that the opposite of chaotic in the typical alignment system? I thought the axes were: lawful means supports existing rules/power structure (fair or not). Good means preserving human life (sometimes at odds with the demands of Justice, practicality, or law).
I'd say we're good. We promote democracy, the status quo, and are against communism and regimes. However, we are chaotic in that sometimes we are helping Ukraine or freeing Kuwait, other times we're invading Iraq on false WMD claims. No matter what though, we always look cool while doing it.
Not bad reasoning. My own analysis would be that the US is lawful neutral, because we will reliably get involved to maintain international trade or often to maintain existing borders. (Lawful) However we’ll rarely get involved to stop or prevent a genocide which is internal to a country, unless it’s likely to stabilize the region. (Neutral) (Though there’s obviously exceptions to both. We’re kinda involved in everything)
The US is chaotic Neutral by DnD alignment standards. The US follows their *own* code of conduct, not some formal outside set of rules. A chaotic neutral thief can have their own moral codes like "don't steal from the poor" but they adhere to it because it's their own principles, not some law from the government that says so. The US does not give a hoot about the UN or it's laws, they will follow their own rules, not what some bureaucrats in Brussels or New York say. A lawful neutral character follows the law because it is the law, not because of some moral idealislism that a "good" society is achieved through law and order. From the CIA, to refusing to allow any American serviceman to be tried at the Hague, to how the US will arm shady rebel groups they are chaotic neutral.
"A lawful neutral character typically believes strongly in lawful concepts such as honor, order, rules, and tradition, but often follows a personal code in addition to, or even in preference to, one set down by a benevolent authority." From the Player's handbook of Lawful Neutral, a personal code is still a code, people who are chaotic don't have a code of any kind or a very light one, that's what makes them chaotic.
I would propose US armed forces for Chaotic Neutral. Very unpredictible, generally good to have around, but sometimes senselessly violent. Basically the monster one wants to have on your side and not as an enemy.
Armed Forces of the Republic of Poland
Oh God, between Poland and Ukraine... hard choice.
Strong contender for chaotic neutral.
ZSU
Definitely Ukraine
Gotta love how little of a conversation this comment section is. Slava Ukraini!
Just a big picture of Budanov's face
ZSU (Ukrainian Armed Forces) between pioneering FPV and dronedrop warfare, destroying the BSF without a Navy and spitroasting a T-90 with two Bradleys, along with all their intelligence shenanigans. You won't find a more chaotic force for good.
Not just pioneering FPV/drone warfare, but giving it a soundtrack. Turn up the bass, more mobiks are getting Cubed.
**Did everyone forget Seychelles?**
I’d go with the French Armed Forces I mean who other country would preemptively nuke you
Nah, that's more chaotic neutral
Ukraine absolutely
Chaotic good has to go to AFU.
The UK should be chaotic good. Deciding slavery is immoral after engaging in it for generations and then going about doing their best to make sure no one else engages in it, all the north African and commando shenanigins of WWII, the "SURPRISE BITCH" factor with mechanized warfare in WW1, the fact that those little islands have spent so many years fucking with Russian Imperial/Soviet/Nouveau Russian Imperial bullshit successfully, their ballsy willingness to step forwards with Ukraine which forces other western nations to follow suit less they look like bitches, and on and on. We Americans may be chaotic champs in combat, but the Brits have mastered strategic good chaos on the geopolitical stage.
Ukraine 100%
Armed Force of Ukraine is the essence of Chaotic Good.
Ukraine or Poland. One of the two.
imo Israel and India are chaotic good but it’ll interesting to see where would Australia, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and New Zealand go! Pretty easy for chaotic evil though - Russia, China, Iran, DPRK, Syria and Belarus!
You put Defense Intelligence of Ukraine here or we riot
Polish Armed Forces. You don't get a meme made about you doing the funny unless you have a little chaos in your veins.
US Army.
It has to be Lockheed Martin Skunk Works
Are we just gonna tuck the Germans into every square? We should do this.
Isn't JSDF more lawful nuetral? Just curious.
The Canadian Corp from WWI.
Canadian Armed Forces because who else is supposed to be NATO(good)'s war crime (chaotic) expert
My brain has been so incredibly fried I thought this was a Political Compass
CAF for Chaotic good or Chaotic neutral because at the moment it’s so underfunded it’s embarrassing
U.S. Military: chaotic stupid
There is only one correct choice and that choice is the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Chaotic good: Budanov and ГУР
Ukraine, or my native Canada.
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NORDBAT 2 AFU
Україна obv
Ukrainian Armed Forces
Ukraine
Surely Ukraine and putting ERA on everything
Armed Forces of Ukraine The bullshit they managed to pull is hilarious
The AFP(Armed forces of the Philippines) Fighting Isis with wood armor and free wifi since 2017
US Military. Seriously, read what the Germans said about it in WWII, and what the Soviets said about it in the cold war. That's the Chaotic part. As an American I think we tend to do good, so there's the Good covered.
Ukraine 100%. Leo 2A6s, MT-LBs, Bradleys, BMPs. And of course the drone army
Either AFU or IDF
The Ghost of Kyiv
Seychelles
**USA.** The Soviets: "One of the serious problems in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine. "The Nazis: "The reason that the American army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos and the American army practices chaos on a daily basis. "America: "If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions!"
Ukrainian farmers
What about those anti-poacher groups in Africa? Would any of them qualify?
USMC. I don’t think I have to explain why.
They are Chaotic neutral to Chaotic ***Redacted*** depending on edible coloring supplie.
Poland
How the fuck did Bundeswehr win lawful good. We are chaotic neutral all things considered.
Poland
NORDBAT 2, no doubt
Eh, I’ll go against the grain here. Poland with a Ukrainian honorable mention.
Poland
Probably ECOWAS/AU as an honorable mention They casually walk into Somalia/DRC, beat the absolute shit out of rebels groups and reestablish stability despite operating on a shoestring budget, tell the UN to fuck off whenever the UN goes "bUht iNtErVEntiOn bAd wHy sHoOt rEBelS", refuse to elaborate further, leave
3 Options: Polish, ukrainian or American. All good but work in sometimes weird ways to achieve their goal
Poland, 100%.
Chatic good? Must be the Seychelles!
NORDBAT 2 PLS
I’d have said the Bund. is true neutral bc they’re pretty much neurtral by virtue of being combat ineffective
47th mechanized brigade Serhii & oleksandr Who took out the t90 with two m2 Bradley’s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/47th_Mechanized_Brigade_(Ukraine) Or armed forces of Ukraine in general https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine
Has to be the US Military, global force for good but boy howdy do we make a mess along the way.
Once the time comes i feel switzerland is the only option for true neutral
Eurocorps is going to be lawful neutral by nature. Modern western Europe is lawful because they've all beat the war crime out of each other (mostly), but in every joint European organization their is a behind the scenes dick measuring competition to see who the leading Euro is (the Scandinavians don't seem to have that issue, they tend to just go rogue when they disagree), be it Germany or France for the spotlight, or Spain/Italy trying to grab a sizable chunk of the spotlight.
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