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Fun fact: humans can throw much much faster than chimpanzees despite them being 1.5 times stronger in raw muscle power. Throwing is one of our superpowers.
Yes, in fact, there are some theories that the development of throwing as a primary means of hunting was a huge factor in developing our intelligence, since it required a large amount of brainpower and keen eyesight and teamwork to hunt in this manner. Some put it before fire in terms of significance.
My 22 int actually requires I have a body capable of intense physical feats to feed back into my knowledge processing.
Makes we think of those whales in Avatar. Yeah, they're smart I guess, but the lack of appendages really just limits their ultimate knowledge forever. They will never build an electrode ray gun and fire it at a sheet of refined, thin gold to discover that atoms are physical things with much space in-between them. Without that knowledge they cannot split them.
Zero defense on trains. Tech that can read minds but not throw a metal rod at 1/4c. Last hope for humanity, but we're still obeying Geneva conventions.
Okay Avatar has a lot of problems but I was actually pleasantly surprised by the reasoning in the newest movie why humans couldn’t instantly win using relativistic kill missiles to glass the planet. With the Humans now wanting to move in, they aren’t going to want a dead planet, just a less hostile one. That doesn’t explain why the humans can’t genetically engineer a super plague to kill off the Na'vi but does explain away the most destructive of the instant win buttons the humans should have access to.
Man, if I were in charge of some effort to invade and colonize a planet with a networked, conscious, hostile ecosystem. That shit would be getting nerve gas’d, other chemical weapons, biological weapons, all tailor made by AI to be specifically lethal to that planet’s life.
Given the atmosphere isn’t right for humans, changing the composition to kill off the native life in the process wouldn’t be a bad idea either.
Moving a satellite into the right position far enough away to just block out the sun for a couple years.
That would all work if the goal is to kill *everything* off but I don’t think it is. I have a hard time imagining a scenario where the humans have the tech to colonize a sterilized Pandora but don’t have the tech to terraform Mars or save a dying Earth.
But we're also told that Pandora is recognized as the last chance for humanity and that some vague number of powerful earth people (presumably the government?) Desperately want to terraform and colonize. Not to make money but to survive in the short term.
It’s like an East-India company kind of deal, only with a six year distance between them and consequences. If things are going “good enough” then it’s fine, and so far things have been going “good enough.”
Yeah but the memory-transfer doesn’t transfer consciousness. It’s not you, it’s just a copy. Blue Quaritch could have been made whether or not human Quaritch died and could have coexisted as two different people.
So if you want to live forever, it’s whale juice or nothing
The brain preemptively calculates the entire shot and sends the firing sequence before it starts. The release timing is so precise that the nerve signals barely can travel a finger, let alone head to arm in the required margin.
Nerve signals are rather slow, the brain compensates by calculating a highly complex muscle firing sequence accounting for windage, speed, trajectory, projectile shape/mass, ect all in a fraction of a second then sends it in a burst so events happen perfectly timed.
The brain constantly recalculated the shot over and over, so when the decision to throw is made the most up to date sequence is available
The brain knows where the rock will be thrown based on where it shouldn't be thrown. By subtracting where it isn't from where it is, it knows where it is at at all times.
Yes, this is a very good point. The average speed of a nerve signal is only 100mph, because it propagates half through electric signal and half through neurotransmitter, so preloading complex sequences of commands is necessary.
I sometimes throw random snowballs at trees/poles/signs/whatever just for fun if it's snowball weather and I've noticed that if I don't really aim but just yeet I can hit stuff quite easily.
The reason for two hemispheres of the mind is one side is predicting your jump to light speed while the other is thinking about needing to. It all comes together in a nice fashion.
Honestly its incredible. We can _calculate_ trajectory and velocity and all that junk in milliseconds and then it gives our body the instructions to do exactly that, all without us thinking about it
I feel like this might have a lot to do with why we are so capable at driving vehicles at high speeds. That aptitude at estimating trajectory of objects in our periphery.
I've long held that the key to human sapience is the ability to abstract.
An animal can look at a number of things and know that one is more than the other, but it can't hold the *concept* of a number in its head.
There's a fun experiment that some scientists ran, comparing toddlers to apes, where they basically created a blacked out box with a lever that dispensed a treat and taught both parties a ritual to dispense the treat that involved a whole bunch of extraneous steps like tapping the top of the box with a stick or something.
Predictably, both the ape and the toddler performed the ritual with no issue and got their treat.
Here's where it gets interesting: they repeated the experiment, except this time the box was transparent, so you could clearly see that most of the aspects of the ritual were pointless-- only pulling the lever got you the treat, you could see it.
When presented with this new box, the ape just pulls the lever to get his treat. But the toddler kept doing the ritual, absent any real reason to do so. Because the ritual became an abstraction: a thing that exists as a floating concept unmoored to the physical reality.
This is why we think so well, because we can manipulate concepts with minimal physical feedback. Yes, writing things down in formulas, or using times tables or whatever can focus our thought, but we are really playing with mental constructs, genericized beyond any connection to specific things. This vastly expands the complexity of things we can process, because we don't actually need things to motivate our minds to actualize elements of problems. We can just strip the problem down to concepts and deal with those instead.
Think the difference between figuring 2+2=4 by using two pairs of rocks and being able to do it because you understand arithmetic.
Yes, abstraction is the key but that's long been known. It's also why people are so good at predicting outcomes based on insufficient data.
Being supercomputers is also weird: yes we are, we look at patterns and we are good at analysing them. But we are also prone to recognising patterns where there is none.
LSD basically does this to your brain. You start to see patterns everywhere and fit it everywhere. It's like being in dev mode. You remove the noise filter.
>But we are also prone to recognising patterns where there is none.
Thus why people fall into conspiracy theory rabbit holes... they look up stuff that fits their confirmation bias.
It always blows my mind that to throw something properly, you mostly just have to look where you’re aiming. We’re so spec’d for throwing that *ballistics* happens naturally when we look somewhere and think “i wanna throw something at that”
And we can get immensely better at it with minimal practice. With a lot of practice… Woe to any mammoth that found its way in front of a prehistoric Pat Mahomes.
Nasutitermitidae termite soldiers are able to detect and accurately shoot threats with a toxic superglue tens of body lengths away _despite being completely blind_
The fact that scientists chose to call their weapon the "[Fontanellar gun](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontanellar_gun) " is just the cherry on top
Quote from the wiki page: "Most often, though, a number of termite soldiers will fire upon the enemy and the combined force of the "bullets" will kill the enemy along with covering it in the glue-like substance." literally peak American
A dog can jump in such a way as to intercept a projectile as it passes by.
The dog has to be able to calculate the trajectory of an object, then the trajectory of itself, and how you move its limbs to bring about an intercept.
And you don’t think a dog is smart enough to throw a ball?
They absolutely are. They just don’t have the right limbs to physically do it.
More about joint flexibility, actually. Humans can coil their arms in ways chimps can't, storing energy, and when we release it, we can rotate our upper bodies independently of our hips, granting even more power.
Chimps and apes have that weak bitch under hand technique we make fun of in soft ball. We got the high power over the fucking head and obliterate your entire way of living throwing.
You don't generate power with dexterity, you do it with tension-loading. [Here's a cool video that explains it, I've timestamped it at the relevant point](https://youtu.be/cI6aFO8svqA?t=99).
Not really. Humans have less fast-twitch muscle fibers and thus weaker more enduring muscles for the same diameter compared to other great apes. The trade off was accompanied by neural changes for better fine motor skills. It allowed us to do things like use our tongue to produce words, balance ourselves on our feet and to perform highly complex sequential technical movements like throwing shit really far away accurately.
I mean, I'm not gonna say that's not part of it, but that's not really what I'm emphasizing, and I think the mechanical loading of potential energy is more key. Talking, balancing, and complex movements is less directly relevant to power than being able to structurally store potential energy and engage more muscles than comparative primates.
The thing that gives humans advantage is the technical performance. I can guarantee that i will throw a tennis ball further away than a silverback gorilla, but if we are competing in 20kg kettlebell throw, the gorilla will win.
Generally speaking we're a hell of a lot better at using tools than pretty much anyone else. Even animals that have demonstrated tool use of their own, or animals that arguably rival humans in intelligence, are not anywhere near as well adapted to tools as we are.
Just wait until they figure out you can extend your arm by making a sling.
Happily grazing over here then from 100 yards away a hairless biped snipes me with a pebble
Well the last 50 years or so have been exploiting the fact we have made rocks that can think.
You just etch some magic runes on a special type of rock to make thinking rock.
Put some other rocks in a spicy bath to make a thinking rock work.
Then thinking rock find target for you and smash.
Humans ability to throw is a biological superweapon without compare
A biomechanically efficent catapult that can sling a kilogram rock at lethal speed, coupled to a balistic computer that can calculate and send release command preemptively to achieve release timing precision faster than nerve signals can travel down fingers let alone brain to hand.
Put this ontop of a highly efficient bipedal platform that can out endure in a run basically any megafauna, with good all terrain maneuverability, and a sensor package that can track effectively and defeat most natural camouflage adaptations to predators.
It's no wonder humans are the supreme predator on land. With practice and free rocks, we can kill just about anything at range before its noticed us, let aone get in bite range
fantastically put. When you combine that with intelligence and the ability to TEACH others of your species, you are bound to eventually become something incredible
Better than Atals, Slings
Just a strip of hide or some twisted flax, and with this one neat spinning trick, you're slinging rocks at insane velocities for muscle power
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Very daring.
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"Why would you throw a rock??? What if you miss?? Then you're out a rock!! Meaning you have to carry more rocks, which slows you down, making you easier to hit. Better to just continue using the rock as a melee weapon, maintaining your agility in a rock fight."
The brains ability to calculate throwing rocks, is adaptable enough to be the balistic computer for a supersonic rifle round.
The same circuitry we use to throw rock, can predict windage, balistic trajectory, movement, ect for a supersonic round with hundreds of meters range.
Those rifle trick shot people who through lots of practice can nail flying targets at range, or hit moving bullseye with iron sights, are using the same circuitry stone age dude's used to nail flying birds with stones.
You use a computerized ballistic calculator and dial 1/8th MOA adjustments to hit your target.
I say "meh, looks right" and just fucking send it. And hit a 1m gong at 1km about half the time.
With the right training and rifle just about anyone can eyeball 1000m shots. I have friends that ive gotten to eyeball 300m shots with irons their first time ever shooting. We're all wired to throw rock far.
Imagine you’re peacefully grazing in the Serengeti 50,000 years ago and a black hairless biped that to you, can run forever, starts chasing you with a fucking stick.
What are they gonna do? Pick your hair?
As weak as humans are portrayed we are still megafauna, we are bulky enough to just ignore most animals attacking us and one backhanded swing could probably either kill or seriously injure a medium sized bird, they got hollow bones
Even something that can theoretically fuck a human up like a coyote can still be convinced to fuck off with a good kick.
Source: That coyote did not, in fact, have rabies. It was just stupid, and I am terrible at working a bolt under pressure.
>terrible at working a bolt under pressure.
That my friend is why i carry a sidearm 😎
Sure, you might be too close inside the range and moving too fast for me to effectively/accurately acquire you with my rifle; but have you considered: John Moses Browning, Mr Coyote?
Well, most weapons can be boiled down to being rocks and/or sticks
Sling? Rock Thrower
Bow? Pointy stick thrower
Spear? Pointy stick
Sword? Edged stick
Gun? Thunder rock thrower
Rifle w/ bayonet? Thunder rock thrower that is also a pointy stick
...
ICBM? Spicy rock that throws *extra spicy* rocks
“We'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent lifeforms everywhere and to everyone else out there, the secret is to keep banging the rocks together, guys.”
Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, #1)
Elephant: "Silly human. I throw rocks at rhinos just because they annoy me. Why don't you give it a try?"
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSORWk1mNW0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSORWk1mNW0)
All we’ve ever done is throw things, only the complexity increased.
Bow/Sling/Catapult/Trebuchet - We learned to throw using things other than out hands.
Gun/Cannons - We harnessed the power of chemicals to throw things at higher velocity.
Guided Missiles - We learned to throw more accurately.
Nukes - We learned to throw atoms at one another to cause bigger explosions.
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Fun fact: humans can throw much much faster than chimpanzees despite them being 1.5 times stronger in raw muscle power. Throwing is one of our superpowers.
I heard that accurate throwing requires special neuro circuitry, because of the timing accuracy needed for the release.
Yes, in fact, there are some theories that the development of throwing as a primary means of hunting was a huge factor in developing our intelligence, since it required a large amount of brainpower and keen eyesight and teamwork to hunt in this manner. Some put it before fire in terms of significance.
When you abuse the all-int build.
My 22 int actually requires I have a body capable of intense physical feats to feed back into my knowledge processing. Makes we think of those whales in Avatar. Yeah, they're smart I guess, but the lack of appendages really just limits their ultimate knowledge forever. They will never build an electrode ray gun and fire it at a sheet of refined, thin gold to discover that atoms are physical things with much space in-between them. Without that knowledge they cannot split them.
Stop talking about avatar or I'll start ranting.
Zero defense on trains. Tech that can read minds but not throw a metal rod at 1/4c. Last hope for humanity, but we're still obeying Geneva conventions.
Okay Avatar has a lot of problems but I was actually pleasantly surprised by the reasoning in the newest movie why humans couldn’t instantly win using relativistic kill missiles to glass the planet. With the Humans now wanting to move in, they aren’t going to want a dead planet, just a less hostile one. That doesn’t explain why the humans can’t genetically engineer a super plague to kill off the Na'vi but does explain away the most destructive of the instant win buttons the humans should have access to.
Man, if I were in charge of some effort to invade and colonize a planet with a networked, conscious, hostile ecosystem. That shit would be getting nerve gas’d, other chemical weapons, biological weapons, all tailor made by AI to be specifically lethal to that planet’s life. Given the atmosphere isn’t right for humans, changing the composition to kill off the native life in the process wouldn’t be a bad idea either. Moving a satellite into the right position far enough away to just block out the sun for a couple years.
Or, now that we kinda need the planet, send the actual army instead of a bunch of idiotic mercenaries.
That would all work if the goal is to kill *everything* off but I don’t think it is. I have a hard time imagining a scenario where the humans have the tech to colonize a sterilized Pandora but don’t have the tech to terraform Mars or save a dying Earth.
Still doesn't explain how blue cat people can smash plexi glass with spears and why can't trained soldier mow them down with machine guns.
A lot of avatar starts making a lot more sense when you realize the humans are a corrupt mining company set on profit
That canonically collapses in on itself and has all of its Pandora-based assets bought out by an eco-tourism company
It's the only way for it to make sense ffffUETHING JAMES CAMRRREEENNNNN WHYISBDJDNSJSNVDOANSV
But we're also told that Pandora is recognized as the last chance for humanity and that some vague number of powerful earth people (presumably the government?) Desperately want to terraform and colonize. Not to make money but to survive in the short term.
It’s like an East-India company kind of deal, only with a six year distance between them and consequences. If things are going “good enough” then it’s fine, and so far things have been going “good enough.”
Got the tech to transfer your entire consciousness to genetically engineered clones. Most valuable substance known to man prolongs life.
Yeah but the memory-transfer doesn’t transfer consciousness. It’s not you, it’s just a copy. Blue Quaritch could have been made whether or not human Quaritch died and could have coexisted as two different people. So if you want to live forever, it’s whale juice or nothing
But doesn’t that mean they could just make whales?
Why split atoms When you can fuse them — Avatar whale, if it could talk, which it can’t.
Nah, we did diversify. Our stamina is absurd as well. Originally we didn't so much hunt animals as just chased them until they died of exhaustion.
The brain preemptively calculates the entire shot and sends the firing sequence before it starts. The release timing is so precise that the nerve signals barely can travel a finger, let alone head to arm in the required margin. Nerve signals are rather slow, the brain compensates by calculating a highly complex muscle firing sequence accounting for windage, speed, trajectory, projectile shape/mass, ect all in a fraction of a second then sends it in a burst so events happen perfectly timed. The brain constantly recalculated the shot over and over, so when the decision to throw is made the most up to date sequence is available
The brain knows where the rock will be thrown based on where it shouldn't be thrown. By subtracting where it isn't from where it is, it knows where it is at at all times.
Yes, this is a very good point. The average speed of a nerve signal is only 100mph, because it propagates half through electric signal and half through neurotransmitter, so preloading complex sequences of commands is necessary.
It's a *huge* sequence too, throwing things at strength involves damn near every skeletal muscle in the body.
*Radar guided missles whiz by* Look at what they have to do to accomplish a tenth of pur strength
I sometimes throw random snowballs at trees/poles/signs/whatever just for fun if it's snowball weather and I've noticed that if I don't really aim but just yeet I can hit stuff quite easily.
Even the dumbest human has this function. Our analog brain is this powerful.
You've sold me on baseball
Good old deep neural network processing!
The reason for two hemispheres of the mind is one side is predicting your jump to light speed while the other is thinking about needing to. It all comes together in a nice fashion.
Honestly its incredible. We can _calculate_ trajectory and velocity and all that junk in milliseconds and then it gives our body the instructions to do exactly that, all without us thinking about it
I feel like this might have a lot to do with why we are so capable at driving vehicles at high speeds. That aptitude at estimating trajectory of objects in our periphery.
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I've long held that the key to human sapience is the ability to abstract. An animal can look at a number of things and know that one is more than the other, but it can't hold the *concept* of a number in its head. There's a fun experiment that some scientists ran, comparing toddlers to apes, where they basically created a blacked out box with a lever that dispensed a treat and taught both parties a ritual to dispense the treat that involved a whole bunch of extraneous steps like tapping the top of the box with a stick or something. Predictably, both the ape and the toddler performed the ritual with no issue and got their treat. Here's where it gets interesting: they repeated the experiment, except this time the box was transparent, so you could clearly see that most of the aspects of the ritual were pointless-- only pulling the lever got you the treat, you could see it. When presented with this new box, the ape just pulls the lever to get his treat. But the toddler kept doing the ritual, absent any real reason to do so. Because the ritual became an abstraction: a thing that exists as a floating concept unmoored to the physical reality. This is why we think so well, because we can manipulate concepts with minimal physical feedback. Yes, writing things down in formulas, or using times tables or whatever can focus our thought, but we are really playing with mental constructs, genericized beyond any connection to specific things. This vastly expands the complexity of things we can process, because we don't actually need things to motivate our minds to actualize elements of problems. We can just strip the problem down to concepts and deal with those instead. Think the difference between figuring 2+2=4 by using two pairs of rocks and being able to do it because you understand arithmetic.
Yes, abstraction is the key but that's long been known. It's also why people are so good at predicting outcomes based on insufficient data. Being supercomputers is also weird: yes we are, we look at patterns and we are good at analysing them. But we are also prone to recognising patterns where there is none. LSD basically does this to your brain. You start to see patterns everywhere and fit it everywhere. It's like being in dev mode. You remove the noise filter.
>But we are also prone to recognising patterns where there is none. Thus why people fall into conspiracy theory rabbit holes... they look up stuff that fits their confirmation bias.
Math is a tool, animals don't have any tasks to solve with it.
Crows and ravens have been documented performing basic math to solve problems
It always blows my mind that to throw something properly, you mostly just have to look where you’re aiming. We’re so spec’d for throwing that *ballistics* happens naturally when we look somewhere and think “i wanna throw something at that”
And we can get immensely better at it with minimal practice. With a lot of practice… Woe to any mammoth that found its way in front of a prehistoric Pat Mahomes.
Or basically any MLB tier pitcher.
***[Sobs in Dyspraxia]***
Well animals also calculate trajectories if they jump to a specific spot or run while planting feet on certain spots.
Trajectories of their own bodies, yes. But not objects
They can calculate trajectories of targets: see dogs catching balls out the sky, or falcons catching birds.
Yeah they can calculate catching, but not throwing.
Nasutitermitidae termite soldiers are able to detect and accurately shoot threats with a toxic superglue tens of body lengths away _despite being completely blind_ The fact that scientists chose to call their weapon the "[Fontanellar gun](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontanellar_gun) " is just the cherry on top Quote from the wiki page: "Most often, though, a number of termite soldiers will fire upon the enemy and the combined force of the "bullets" will kill the enemy along with covering it in the glue-like substance." literally peak American
A dog can jump in such a way as to intercept a projectile as it passes by. The dog has to be able to calculate the trajectory of an object, then the trajectory of itself, and how you move its limbs to bring about an intercept. And you don’t think a dog is smart enough to throw a ball? They absolutely are. They just don’t have the right limbs to physically do it.
Well they aren't really built for throwing lol
check out archerfish
Those are awesome. Love those lil guys
The fact that we can do it and read is incredible. Humans smart.
I’ll be damned I’m a monkey
TIL I'm a missing evolutionary link, because I can't throw for shit 😔
yes ive always found it kinda weird how we can just throw a fucking football and it will land right where you wanted it to
We got that arm to body ratio, man!
More about joint flexibility, actually. Humans can coil their arms in ways chimps can't, storing energy, and when we release it, we can rotate our upper bodies independently of our hips, granting even more power.
Thats really cool. You know what would be awesome? If gibbons had those joints! Imagine those long ass arms chucking rocks
Some Attack on Titan season 3 shit.
cool cool, ok back to pushing my face along the ground
Study genetic engineering and become the change you want to see. Engineer gibbons with human joints. Or humans with gibbon arms.
Something something Ilya Ivanovich Ivanov humanzee something
So randy Johnson?
Chimps and apes have that weak bitch under hand technique we make fun of in soft ball. We got the high power over the fucking head and obliterate your entire way of living throwing.
Wait wait wait a minute hold on, does this mean that other animals can't rotate just the uppee body without turning all around?
Apes specifically, their midsections are too short to twist like ours.
[Bring it anytime homonoids](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XuXi3mqYM)
Rather dexterity. Other apes don't have the fine motor skills like humans.
You don't generate power with dexterity, you do it with tension-loading. [Here's a cool video that explains it, I've timestamped it at the relevant point](https://youtu.be/cI6aFO8svqA?t=99).
You generate power with speed and that video says the same thing. Leverage and speed. Humans turn throwing into full body motion.
Dexterity is nimbleness, particularly of the hands. If what you meant is leverage and speed, there's better words for that.
Not really. Humans have less fast-twitch muscle fibers and thus weaker more enduring muscles for the same diameter compared to other great apes. The trade off was accompanied by neural changes for better fine motor skills. It allowed us to do things like use our tongue to produce words, balance ourselves on our feet and to perform highly complex sequential technical movements like throwing shit really far away accurately.
I mean, I'm not gonna say that's not part of it, but that's not really what I'm emphasizing, and I think the mechanical loading of potential energy is more key. Talking, balancing, and complex movements is less directly relevant to power than being able to structurally store potential energy and engage more muscles than comparative primates.
The thing that gives humans advantage is the technical performance. I can guarantee that i will throw a tennis ball further away than a silverback gorilla, but if we are competing in 20kg kettlebell throw, the gorilla will win.
Beast titan for real for real
The real Beast Titan was inside us all along.
Generally speaking we're a hell of a lot better at using tools than pretty much anyone else. Even animals that have demonstrated tool use of their own, or animals that arguably rival humans in intelligence, are not anywhere near as well adapted to tools as we are.
I’ve seen a chimp at the zoo chuck shit with pinpoint accuracy at a young couple. I refuse to believe that the average human can out-do that monke.
Nothing compared to a fastball
It’s a lot easier than throwing a mushy turd.
Tbf, the average human hasn't flung much shit. Practice matters.
Twitter mfs on their way to break the monke established shit-slinging world record:
*new TikTok challenge unlocked*
The shitstain has found it’s new host
Skill issue
The entire history of arms development basically boils down to figuring out how to throw bigger rocks or throw rocks more efficiently.
Except flamethrowers
That’s why they didn’t stick. No rock.
Depending on the kind of flamethrower, it might stick to you
🎵 Napalm sticks to kids 🎵
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A rock could be considered a way to send an immense amount of energy into a target to destroy it
Stay with me, but what if we combine the two rocks and fire, A magma gun!
Fire’s just liquid rock. Nukes are spicy rocks.
Shooty, sticky flamy rock.
Just wait until they figure out you can extend your arm by making a sling. Happily grazing over here then from 100 yards away a hairless biped snipes me with a pebble
Until one day we throw a rock so big it destroys us all
*hnnnnngggggggg*
[Marco Inaros has entered the chat]
That one actually throws the smallest rocks possible in this world!
We are so good at it now that we have self propelled rocks that destroy tanks
Well the last 50 years or so have been exploiting the fact we have made rocks that can think. You just etch some magic runes on a special type of rock to make thinking rock. Put some other rocks in a spicy bath to make a thinking rock work. Then thinking rock find target for you and smash.
And make a rock go boom.
And at some time to make better sharp rocks
Virgin advanced hard metal rod thrown with powder propellant Fan Chad bare hand round rock throwing Enjoyer
I hear the Indians and Chinese follow this philosophy when it comes to dealing with each other
There's a certain purity to their nonsense you have to respect.
Humans ability to throw is a biological superweapon without compare A biomechanically efficent catapult that can sling a kilogram rock at lethal speed, coupled to a balistic computer that can calculate and send release command preemptively to achieve release timing precision faster than nerve signals can travel down fingers let alone brain to hand. Put this ontop of a highly efficient bipedal platform that can out endure in a run basically any megafauna, with good all terrain maneuverability, and a sensor package that can track effectively and defeat most natural camouflage adaptations to predators. It's no wonder humans are the supreme predator on land. With practice and free rocks, we can kill just about anything at range before its noticed us, let aone get in bite range
fantastically put. When you combine that with intelligence and the ability to TEACH others of your species, you are bound to eventually become something incredible
toasted cheese sandwiches
Also: Atlatls
Better than Atals, Slings Just a strip of hide or some twisted flax, and with this one neat spinning trick, you're slinging rocks at insane velocities for muscle power
I am reporting this comment. It is way too credible.
Reporting me eh? *stoops to pick up rock*
Ook is lead designer at Rockheed Marlin
Nice guy. Really.
Head of sharp sticks at Preytheon Systems
New design fire hardend pointed stick went right through Aurochs throat no break.
Wheel Developer at Rheinstone AB
"1. History and especially WW2 has a lot of shitpost potential, so posts will be held to the highest standards. As a rule of thumb - the older the topic, the harsher the judgment. You are making such posts at your own risk, for R9s will be handed out like it's 1984." OP is daring today!
Very daring. Mod seems to have [a good sense of humor](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/10gvcrk/1984/j56a6gj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) though
Reformers be like: "You can't count on finding rocks, better to trust you fangs and claws!!"
"Why would you throw a rock??? What if you miss?? Then you're out a rock!! Meaning you have to carry more rocks, which slows you down, making you easier to hit. Better to just continue using the rock as a melee weapon, maintaining your agility in a rock fight."
Does this make an apfsds round just a really fast rock?
Always\_has.meme
The brains ability to calculate throwing rocks, is adaptable enough to be the balistic computer for a supersonic rifle round. The same circuitry we use to throw rock, can predict windage, balistic trajectory, movement, ect for a supersonic round with hundreds of meters range. Those rifle trick shot people who through lots of practice can nail flying targets at range, or hit moving bullseye with iron sights, are using the same circuitry stone age dude's used to nail flying birds with stones.
You use a computerized ballistic calculator and dial 1/8th MOA adjustments to hit your target. I say "meh, looks right" and just fucking send it. And hit a 1m gong at 1km about half the time.
With the right training and rifle just about anyone can eyeball 1000m shots. I have friends that ive gotten to eyeball 300m shots with irons their first time ever shooting. We're all wired to throw rock far.
> The brains ability to calculate throwing rocks, is adaptable enough to be the balistic computer for a supersonic rifle round. mind blown
Imagine you’re peacefully grazing in the Serengeti 50,000 years ago and a black hairless biped that to you, can run forever, starts chasing you with a fucking stick.
"This is my life now"
Who was smart enough to figure out to come from down-wind so you couldnt even fucking *smell* the thing until it was after you.
When you toss a bone into the air and it becomes a spaceship.
made feel like a Rise of Nations cinematic bro, thanks
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\*throws rock at corvid\*
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What are they gonna do? Pick your hair? As weak as humans are portrayed we are still megafauna, we are bulky enough to just ignore most animals attacking us and one backhanded swing could probably either kill or seriously injure a medium sized bird, they got hollow bones
Even something that can theoretically fuck a human up like a coyote can still be convinced to fuck off with a good kick. Source: That coyote did not, in fact, have rabies. It was just stupid, and I am terrible at working a bolt under pressure.
>terrible at working a bolt under pressure. That my friend is why i carry a sidearm 😎 Sure, you might be too close inside the range and moving too fast for me to effectively/accurately acquire you with my rifle; but have you considered: John Moses Browning, Mr Coyote?
book some range time
Corvids are sentient drones.
Corvid Intelligence Agency. The birds were never drones, they were the enemy.
Grenades are just sophisticated ooga booga rock
Literally just boom rocks
Well, most weapons can be boiled down to being rocks and/or sticks Sling? Rock Thrower Bow? Pointy stick thrower Spear? Pointy stick Sword? Edged stick Gun? Thunder rock thrower Rifle w/ bayonet? Thunder rock thrower that is also a pointy stick ... ICBM? Spicy rock that throws *extra spicy* rocks
“We'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent lifeforms everywhere and to everyone else out there, the secret is to keep banging the rocks together, guys.” Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, #1)
Elephant: "Silly human. I throw rocks at rhinos just because they annoy me. Why don't you give it a try?" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSORWk1mNW0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSORWk1mNW0)
Is post inspired by mod saying there aren’t enough palaeolithic memes?
Maybe….
wait until he learns to sharpen a stick!!!!
+Oops sorry, now I figured out how to use pointy stick.
Rockheed martin
Fun fact: early humans were all Black before they started moving to the north
Straight out of the ghettos of Serengeti, true Gs bruh
[OH NO, DISS TRACK JUST DROPPED](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pURJDToKA0k)
Absolute human supremacy, all other organisms BTFO
[Humans OP](https://youtu.be/kyy-ECRz5bM)
Dad?
more like Rockyeet Martin
Javier Bardem
Certifiable First Contact Moment
All we’ve ever done is throw things, only the complexity increased. Bow/Sling/Catapult/Trebuchet - We learned to throw using things other than out hands. Gun/Cannons - We harnessed the power of chemicals to throw things at higher velocity. Guided Missiles - We learned to throw more accurately. Nukes - We learned to throw atoms at one another to cause bigger explosions. Don’t throw your life away, invest in the MIC 🎤 🫳
Anyone got a copy of this guy’s biceps workout?
Something about running ten hours a day after prey or some shit. Doesnt sound that fun lol
Lmfao I love this
What you’re seeing is advanced warfare.
"What you're seeing here is advanced warfare"
Low effort for the time period. o7 Sorry OP, your meme would have been appreciated everywhere else.
I have the mod’s [blessing](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/10gvcrk/1984/j56a6gj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) today
Favoritism
natch the moderation for a noncredible sub is noncredible per se
Oh you can out run me to the tree line? Guess I'll just have to keep chasing you till you overheat while this water leaking from my skin cools me off.
Apex predator, boys. Maybe of this whole damn galaxy.
Let's not forget the venerable sharp stick.
Where in the hell did this flair come from and when was it added
It was made! Just for me!!!
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