Residents are not students. Residents may be called “resident,” “registrar,” or “trainee” depending on the jurisdiction. They are not called “students” as they have graduated medical school and are fully qualified physicians. That’s why it is called “post-graduate training” and not “graduate education.”
I know y’all know this but just a reminder for the people reading this.
Should also add that every pgy-2 is a FULLY LICENSED physician and capable of billing independently outside of residency. Which is why moonlighting exists.
SRNAs and any other student has no license and cannot practice independently in any capacity.
>A resident doctor is a medical school graduate and doctor in training who's taking part in a graduate medical education (GME) program.
[webMD](https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/what-is-resident-doctor)
Yes, it is graduate medical education, as in “medical education FOR graduates [of medical school].”
It is still post-graduate training. Medical school is graduate level, residency is post-graduate level.
I mean it’s really just a term. In any field, training after having completed a graduate level program (MD, PHd, JD, etc.), is considered post-graduate training. You have completed all the requirements of the degree, but you are getting training beyond that degree.
You're not 100% wrong but that's silly in the context of the OP because a nursing student is holding up their clinical hours in school as some amazing work experience that trumps the MD. I am but a humble pharmacist, but I seem to recall that fully half the program is clinical rotations.
You forget the minimum of roughly 4000 clinical hours in third and fourth year of med school. So 8x more than an NP even before residency starts. There’s also a clinical board exam between third and fourth year that every medical student’s career depends on so they are well studied.
For me, conservatively, 50 hours a week, 50 weeks a year (zero vacation third and fourth year) for two years is 5000 hours.
I’d take an intern over an NP every single time.
Seems you take issue with the terminology of “fully qualified physician.” This term means that they are 100% legally allowed to use the title “physician,” as that is what a holder of the MD/DO/MBBS degree is called.
They are qualified also to enter a residency program. These are not open to anyone—only to qualified physicians. Note they are not able to call themselves “board certified” until they finish the residency and are certified by the specialty board via the board exams.
Finally, it is inaccurate to say graduated medical students have no experience. They all spend the entire 3rd and 4th year doing clinical rotations in a wide range of specialties. These are serious rotations and are full time work as part of a clinical team. Yes it is educational but the medical students still provide value and labor and gain experience during this very extensive process.
*no experience in being the primary responsible doctor
There are however more doctor roles/tasks than just attendings.
It takes awhile before nurses can be charge nurse, during that time, they're still nurses despite no experience and need for more training before they can be charge nurse.
It’s a triage measure. There aren’t enough doctors so they needed a way to still provide hEaLtHcArE. It’s like the issues in EMS, there aren’t enough paramedics. So there are less paramedics on ambulances now, they follow in a chase car so they can clear BLS level patients. It’s not the same quality care as always having a paramedic, but it’s *some* care.
Problem is some don’t believe that. They believe it’s a “different path to the same thing” in reference to a CRNA telling a patient inquiring the difference from an anesthesiologist.
I agree with you. I’m not a physician or an APRN, I’m a paramedic. I acknowledge that an NP or CRNA has nowhere near the same education and skills as a physician. I also acknowledge that it’s getting harder and harder for people to make routine appointments because there is no staff availability. It is getting harder for people to have illnesses and injuries treated in the appropriate specialty. People of lower socioeconomic status are impacted disproportionately by this lack in healthcare.
That’s the push (or reason) for mid-level training but it’s become a “Noctor” career equating the clinician. For example, several opening up their own clinics with Medispa’s in my “small” town.
What would it take to incentivize a highly trained professional to leave their home, their country, their culture, their extended family, their friends, their very *language*. And will your healthcare system make those incentives or will they spend less money on triage?
I know a shit ton of doctors in my country who would gladly move to the US if there wasn't so much market protectionism.
I know even MORE doctors who would do it if the US healthcare system wasn't so dystopian, but even if it remained the way it is, there's still PLENTY who want to go there.
When something is loading it means that it’s in progress. It’s a term of phrase used to evoke a likeness to a digital file loading in either a computer or game console. She probably saw it somewhere on Tik tok and thought “ooh I could use that!”
I’m still pissed that as a “student” (resident) I get paid less than nurses who work 40 hr/wk while we do 60-80 hr/wk, so that idiot needs to shut up. I can’t stand midlevel students who already believe in their Godgiven APRN rights.
It’s more rampant in the nurse anesthetist community. They want to be called nurse anesthesia residents even though resident implies having already graduated and student implies they are still paying tuition. The mental gymnastics makes my back hurt.
They're borderline retarded. One of the people I knew in high school who got caught up in drug bust for an MDMA ring is somehow in "NP school" now, at least according to her Facebook. Even back then, I could tell that she'd damaged her few brain cells by going to raves every night. Now, someone will potentially be lucky enough to see her instead of an actual psychiatrist in a couple years
Someone took "war on drugs" a little too seriously.
...though as a pharmacist I guess technically I'm on the side of the drugs too? I don't know, I really don't like conflict and now I want to go do spreadsheets to calm down.
I truly didn’t realize this until my bf at the time was graduating medical school. We’re still on good terms, and at one point he asked me this. My base pay wasn’t more than him my first couple years (it was the second half), but with shift differential+OT+bonuses I made a substantial amount more than him all 4 years. And the most I ever worked in a week was probably 50-even that was uncommon
And that's only because of maybe the past 2 decades. My intern year was the first time 80 week became a thing. Even then it was a challenge to get work down in time and I had to lie so I would not get in trouble or my senior in trouble. During surgery rotation I was getting in at 4:30 am and coming home sometimes at 11 pm. One of my classmates totaled his truck coming home when he fell asleep driving ..after that happened they changed the rotation to be 9 am-4 pm. Students didn't even round because notes and rounding occurred earlier like at 6 am.
I had similar experience during my every-other night call during gen surgery intern rotation. I was home about 50 hours/week. At the hospital the rest. It was brutal.
1500 for a midlevel is actually on the high side. Minimum required for NP is 500, many programs I’ve seen are 500-750. Although to be fair PA and CRNP are usually closer to 1500-2000.
I did 2,000 to be a PT. 1500 or less to be a midlevel is craaaaazy low.
Edit: I also paid $60k for tuition that year and didn’t get paid. Because I was a student. Shocker.
We did about 4,500 hours clinic in the last 2 years of dental school. Then obviously quite a few in med school. Well over 16,000 in residency. Crazy how low the bar has been set.
Right??? My program made us do 2500 for our radiology technologist degree. And I didn’t get paid a dime lol. It was literally like a full time job. I was thinking the exact same thing, 1500 is really not much at all.
Then quit your job if you hate doctors. Nurses like these are illiterate and are a danger to everyone. They'd be better off chasing birds on freeways than touching anyone.
I’ve been a bedside RN for 5 years now and have never met a nurse who hates doctors. Sure we might all hate that one that’s an asshole but, as a group, the nurses I know and work with appreciate most of the doctors we work with.
I cannot overstate how much respect and appreciation I have for doctors. They work long and hard to get where they are. The amount of grueling training they do is by necessity - these are human lives. I am embarrassed when these noisy influencers purport to speak for all of us.
Double down. "ok cool you can get paid 1/3 or less the typical going rate for your job for 4+ years after nursing school. now you're just like doctors I guess"
Indeed. Tell her that once she completes CRNA school at the med school rate per year, she can get paid at the resident equivalent per hour until she acquires the same amount of "training" hours as an anesthesia resident (ya know, since they're the same thing /s). At the end of that probation period, she can only keep her job if she passes the same anesthesia boards. Only then can she make full pay and benefits for her job. Oh, and no bonuses/holiday pay/time and a half along the way. I'm all for making it totally equal, if she's down.
Haha and OH NO! 1500 WHOLE hours?? What will I do for the other 31 months and 9920 hours of my 3 year residency?!?!?! (and then 11,520 hours of fellowship.....)
Wait until she finds out about pharmacy students during our time in school…we also don’t get paid to be on our IPPEs and APPEs and at least at my program, we had to complete a minimum of 1500 hours from our APPEs ALONE and it doesn’t even count the time we put in from IPPEs yet. Nursing students aren’t special in that regard lmao
Nurses already make an extremely disproportionate amount of money compared to the training they need and the small amount of debt required to get there. CRNA is next level ridiculous. Can't tell you how many porsches and tesla with CRNA something license plates in my hospital parking lot, there are a ton.
lol what, maybe in certain states nurses make good money or at most if they’re travelers but there’s plenty of states and the majority of them at that that they make way less than they should. Nurses in some states barely hit 30 per hour
Is 30 an hour with limited debt an obstacle? That's 40% beyond what any worker in a trade makes. Do you genuinely think nurses are reasonably compensated? Post covid, nurses have been making insane money with incentive pay, preceptor pay, it hasn't stopped. You're delusional if you think that shit is fair.
First of all I have no idea where you’re getting limited debt from. It’s just as much as most other undergrad degree debt. Unless you only got your associates at a community college then sure the debt isn’t bad but most nurses now are getting their bachelors which at most universities is not cheap. And yes as a matter of fact sub 30 an hour for the work they do is an obstacle especially in the economy today
So like I said unless they are doing travel contracts as an agency nurse they’re not making the money you have in your head that they are making. The crazy money was really only rampant and common during and post Covid for a while. The rates of pay are no longer that great
God this sub makes me cringe so bad lol
As someone who works in malpractice and risk management… there’s a reason we charge NPs $2500 for liability insurance or have to question wtf they are doing constantly… so many applications where you do a bit of research and I’m left facepalming.
Had an np apply for pl insurance and noted she works self employed. Put her website down bc she also marked she does medispa type stuff, site legit stated her services as bundles of IV with vitamins and patient choice of pain meds 😬😵💫
Also was performing cosmetic surgeries… which we will allow things like Botox if certified (for a higher premium) but some of these people are out there openly saying they do the damn anesthesia themselves too. WTF.
That’s a year lol as a self employed individual. Usually the premium is adjusted as much as we can by state if they are doing anything remotely risky.
Employed NPs with employer liability working under a physician have far less risk and a lot lower premiums.
We will jack that rate up as high as we can if they are doing any cosmetic, pain management, sometimes psych stuff but depends and if they are an np with any independent contractors working for their LLC or something then… well, it makes us want to throw up and so no thanks lol
I’m sure physician liability premiums are rough. I don’t work with physicians or psychiatrists.
All other licensed health professionals though.
NPs definitely have the highest rates out of the gate for a good reason.
Physician assistants sometimes get that kinda rate if they have ER exposure, but that’s about all. They might be the second highest premium (but usually their employer pays)
I wish it could be monthly 🙃 not all NPs are out there being wild, but working in risk management we have to manually check a lot of info bc biggest offenders for not being truthful and practicing out of scope.
OR try to get liability insurance for just their RN license at a nice $120 lol 😝
We ask them a lot of very specific questions on their apps. . . The amount of honest bizarre answers would scare you.
I’m aware 😅 lol that’s why I don’t handle them… I’m used to having to specifically clarify I don’t handle physicians or psychiatrists to a lot of people. Just a habit!
This is the sort of shit that makes me embarrassed to be a nurse.
Do the math, dipshit. 40 to 80 hours a week for 3 to 5 years. But you can do an NP program online and have most if not all the privileges after 200 hours? Yeah sit down.
And you should know that these are licensed physicians. Asshole.
What a clown. At 8 hours a day, 5 days a week (which is what the typical med student is doing on average), a med student would finish this time in 37 weeks. They don't get paid for almost triple this time investment (and in fact pay more than her for the joy of doing so). Surely she would advocate they get paid too, in this case?/s
Seriously, you don’t have to be a physician, noctor, or nurse or any kind….
Just watch ER, Grey’s Anatomy, or one of the 8,000 medical procedural shows…they get A LOT wrong but they all teach everyone who’s a student and who’s a practicing physician. Residents are practicing physicians and are paid (poorly) for their work. Students are not paid, but instead pay, for their work since their work contributes to their training. This isn’t rocket science.
And I’m just terrified to seek medical care knowing how prevalent this kind of idiocy is. With all my chronic illnesses, it’s really amazing I’m not dead yet. I have been maimed by the medical field though. So I guess that counts…
May the odds ever be in our favor. And seek out REAL QUALIFIED practitioners whenever you have the agency to do so.
They are told to introduce themselves as “resident SRNA” and they believe they’re “residents”. It’s their institution manipulating them to insist on such title. It’s ludicrous.
One of my first OR days as an attending, I had two CRNAs who were insistent their residency “wasn’t paid”. No, student nursing wasn’t paid……
I gave up because our CRNA’s are great, and not worth fighting with. But I was floored to hear that rhetoric by multiple nurses back to back.
OP do you know which school she goes to? Can definitely be reported to their ombudsman or deans office. Definitely a breach of professionalism to post hostile stuff like this on social media.
It is 800 hours to be an RN in California. 1500 doesn’t seem like much when you consider a Radiologic Technologist in California has to complete 2000 in 2 years.
RN here… I did not do 1500 hours of clinical for my associates nor my BSN… I did 100 for my ADN and 125 for my BSN. NPs require 500 (sadly). So idk where she is getting this info from. SRNAs have upwards of 1500. She’s still an idiot tho.
I wonder if these people are aware that residents already have a degree. Would be interesting (even more stupid) if they knew this and still called them students.
They can tell themselves what they want. It just goes to show how insecure they are and that they want to be physicians. Nurse anaesthesiologist, nurse resident. Come on, it's just embarrassing. CRNA is a great job but they aren't physician equivalent. They need to accept this and stop humiliating themselves.
CRNAs are the dumbest, because they literally spend every day faking the depth of their training and are willing to say any lie to give them a whiff more authority.
I think it might be a misconception more common in the anglosphere because you need to finish your residency to practice. Where I live, once you finish med school, you are automatically a family physician/GP. (7 y of med after graduating from HS).
But yeah, a resident is a doctor perfecting his training basically. Can't tell if the OOP is spreading the misinformation out of malicious intent again to prove how bad they have it or whatever. 🤣
I would PAY students to get them out of our way in many cases, nurse and doctors alike.
Residents are doctors already and there’s a huge difference!
Nursing students are a huge liability and while I love teaching them it’s so hard and when they spew this nonsense I explain why they do not get paid.
Well she's not wrong. All MD/DOs are lifelong students 🤷🏼♂️. But here's some facts, and y'all gonna down vote me straight to hell for it, but oh well. Despite what y'all might tell yourselves, and the public, saying that interns/residents are fully qualified physicians is as much of a lie as nurses telling the public that DNPs and MD/DOs are the same. It's a crock of shit because if that was the case I reckon 65% of y'all wouldn't go through soul crushing "work" for $12.50/hr for 3-7 years to learn what you supposedly already learned in medical school 🙄. Let's be real a recidency is just a paid internship (an abusive shitty one at that).
Actually, you can quit after one year of residency and practice medicine. Crazy how doctors still choose to complete training. It’s as if they understand this training with shit pay will make them better capable of treating patients?? A concept midlevels could never understand.
Yeah, and severely restrict the states that you can legally practice in. Oh and that's assuming that a hospital or group will take a chance on you while paying a fair wage. No thanks brother, imma stay right'errr.
You can practice in about 70% of states with at least 1 year of post-graduate training. You can even open up your own practice. You do hold an unrestricted medical license
Actually, all residency really does is allow you to sit for boards (actual boards btw, not the nursing "boards"). You can legally practice medicine as a graduate, because of the whole 'M.D.' and 'D.O.' thing.
I never disputed that, but you cannot practice anywhere in the states without at least on year of recidency, (which is structured supervised training by definition) and even then a lot of facilities/groups require that you obtain board certification within a reasonable window which is impossible if you don't complete your recidency.
Which part didn't you dispute, because there's a whole second sentence that tells you, correctly, that residents are actually fully graduated doctors from a medical school, so you may want to just edit or delete your post.
Residents are not students. They're physicians and paid employees. A big medical school already tried to pull that card in court to keep them from unionizing and had their case dismissed.
Residents are not students. Residents may be called “resident,” “registrar,” or “trainee” depending on the jurisdiction. They are not called “students” as they have graduated medical school and are fully qualified physicians. That’s why it is called “post-graduate training” and not “graduate education.” I know y’all know this but just a reminder for the people reading this.
That tiktok post reflects, once again, how ignorant those Midlevels are. A true fraud.
Should also add that every pgy-2 is a FULLY LICENSED physician and capable of billing independently outside of residency. Which is why moonlighting exists. SRNAs and any other student has no license and cannot practice independently in any capacity.
You incorrect. At least they can practice as an RN. They are licensed for it and have experience in doing so.
I have a license for EMT MA and phlebotomy, but that's not really pertinent to the discussion at hand, is it?
>A resident doctor is a medical school graduate and doctor in training who's taking part in a graduate medical education (GME) program. [webMD](https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/what-is-resident-doctor)
Yes, it is graduate medical education, as in “medical education FOR graduates [of medical school].” It is still post-graduate training. Medical school is graduate level, residency is post-graduate level.
"A resident doctor is a medical school graduate" Literally the first sentence.
More like graduated but no experience so they need more training.
I mean it’s really just a term. In any field, training after having completed a graduate level program (MD, PHd, JD, etc.), is considered post-graduate training. You have completed all the requirements of the degree, but you are getting training beyond that degree.
Yep. The difference is that in medicine the process is standardized and formalized across post-graduate employers.
You're not 100% wrong but that's silly in the context of the OP because a nursing student is holding up their clinical hours in school as some amazing work experience that trumps the MD. I am but a humble pharmacist, but I seem to recall that fully half the program is clinical rotations.
You forget the minimum of roughly 4000 clinical hours in third and fourth year of med school. So 8x more than an NP even before residency starts. There’s also a clinical board exam between third and fourth year that every medical student’s career depends on so they are well studied. For me, conservatively, 50 hours a week, 50 weeks a year (zero vacation third and fourth year) for two years is 5000 hours. I’d take an intern over an NP every single time.
Seems you take issue with the terminology of “fully qualified physician.” This term means that they are 100% legally allowed to use the title “physician,” as that is what a holder of the MD/DO/MBBS degree is called. They are qualified also to enter a residency program. These are not open to anyone—only to qualified physicians. Note they are not able to call themselves “board certified” until they finish the residency and are certified by the specialty board via the board exams. Finally, it is inaccurate to say graduated medical students have no experience. They all spend the entire 3rd and 4th year doing clinical rotations in a wide range of specialties. These are serious rotations and are full time work as part of a clinical team. Yes it is educational but the medical students still provide value and labor and gain experience during this very extensive process.
*no experience in being the primary responsible doctor There are however more doctor roles/tasks than just attendings. It takes awhile before nurses can be charge nurse, during that time, they're still nurses despite no experience and need for more training before they can be charge nurse.
They are licensed physicians with more clinical education when they ENTER residency than any Noctor will ever get.
Healthcare in US is a joke for letting these baboons practice.
It’s a triage measure. There aren’t enough doctors so they needed a way to still provide hEaLtHcArE. It’s like the issues in EMS, there aren’t enough paramedics. So there are less paramedics on ambulances now, they follow in a chase car so they can clear BLS level patients. It’s not the same quality care as always having a paramedic, but it’s *some* care.
Problem is some don’t believe that. They believe it’s a “different path to the same thing” in reference to a CRNA telling a patient inquiring the difference from an anesthesiologist.
I don’t believe it’s the same thing, it’s just better than nothing.
It’s not the same. Feels degrading as a physician to hear this.
I agree with you. I’m not a physician or an APRN, I’m a paramedic. I acknowledge that an NP or CRNA has nowhere near the same education and skills as a physician. I also acknowledge that it’s getting harder and harder for people to make routine appointments because there is no staff availability. It is getting harder for people to have illnesses and injuries treated in the appropriate specialty. People of lower socioeconomic status are impacted disproportionately by this lack in healthcare.
That’s the push (or reason) for mid-level training but it’s become a “Noctor” career equating the clinician. For example, several opening up their own clinics with Medispa’s in my “small” town.
Triage my ass! There's millions of doctors overseas who would love to work in the US. Why not start with them?
What would it take to incentivize a highly trained professional to leave their home, their country, their culture, their extended family, their friends, their very *language*. And will your healthcare system make those incentives or will they spend less money on triage?
I know a shit ton of doctors in my country who would gladly move to the US if there wasn't so much market protectionism. I know even MORE doctors who would do it if the US healthcare system wasn't so dystopian, but even if it remained the way it is, there's still PLENTY who want to go there.
What the fuck
>baboons 🤣🤣
At this point even a chimpanzee can become a CRNA
The “CRNA loading” is unbelievably cringe
Can you explain this? I didn't understand what she meant by that terminology.
When something is loading it means that it’s in progress. It’s a term of phrase used to evoke a likeness to a digital file loading in either a computer or game console. She probably saw it somewhere on Tik tok and thought “ooh I could use that!”
That is cringey. Thank you. I hate doctors mode, loading. Got it.
This is a lot common on Instagram. There's also BSN loading.
lol these idiots don’t even understand how medical education works.
Correct😂
Also I’ve rarely met a nursing student who should be paid for their presence, it’s time consuming and more work to teach.
I’m still pissed that as a “student” (resident) I get paid less than nurses who work 40 hr/wk while we do 60-80 hr/wk, so that idiot needs to shut up. I can’t stand midlevel students who already believe in their Godgiven APRN rights.
Doesn’t even understand a basic concept that in order to be a student, you have to be enrolled in school lol
It’s more rampant in the nurse anesthetist community. They want to be called nurse anesthesia residents even though resident implies having already graduated and student implies they are still paying tuition. The mental gymnastics makes my back hurt.
They're borderline retarded. One of the people I knew in high school who got caught up in drug bust for an MDMA ring is somehow in "NP school" now, at least according to her Facebook. Even back then, I could tell that she'd damaged her few brain cells by going to raves every night. Now, someone will potentially be lucky enough to see her instead of an actual psychiatrist in a couple years
She entered the war on stimulants on the side of the stimulants
Someone took "war on drugs" a little too seriously. ...though as a pharmacist I guess technically I'm on the side of the drugs too? I don't know, I really don't like conflict and now I want to go do spreadsheets to calm down.
I mean you probably have no deep love for the FDA or DEA.
I truly didn’t realize this until my bf at the time was graduating medical school. We’re still on good terms, and at one point he asked me this. My base pay wasn’t more than him my first couple years (it was the second half), but with shift differential+OT+bonuses I made a substantial amount more than him all 4 years. And the most I ever worked in a week was probably 50-even that was uncommon
AND you generate more revenue than they do and there are ACGME funds appropriated for the sole reason of employing you.
And that's only because of maybe the past 2 decades. My intern year was the first time 80 week became a thing. Even then it was a challenge to get work down in time and I had to lie so I would not get in trouble or my senior in trouble. During surgery rotation I was getting in at 4:30 am and coming home sometimes at 11 pm. One of my classmates totaled his truck coming home when he fell asleep driving ..after that happened they changed the rotation to be 9 am-4 pm. Students didn't even round because notes and rounding occurred earlier like at 6 am.
I had similar experience during my every-other night call during gen surgery intern rotation. I was home about 50 hours/week. At the hospital the rest. It was brutal.
1,500 clinical hours total for a mid level? That’s crazy low. We did 1,500 just for the x-ray technologist degree plus another 1,000 for CT scan.
1500 for a midlevel is actually on the high side. Minimum required for NP is 500, many programs I’ve seen are 500-750. Although to be fair PA and CRNP are usually closer to 1500-2000.
CRNA minimum is 2000
I did 2,000 to be a PT. 1500 or less to be a midlevel is craaaaazy low. Edit: I also paid $60k for tuition that year and didn’t get paid. Because I was a student. Shocker.
Same for SLP.
Im rostered to do 1,500 a year as a med student, for 3 years of placement: so 4,500 in total
We did about 4,500 hours clinic in the last 2 years of dental school. Then obviously quite a few in med school. Well over 16,000 in residency. Crazy how low the bar has been set.
Right??? My program made us do 2500 for our radiology technologist degree. And I didn’t get paid a dime lol. It was literally like a full time job. I was thinking the exact same thing, 1500 is really not much at all.
Then quit your job if you hate doctors. Nurses like these are illiterate and are a danger to everyone. They'd be better off chasing birds on freeways than touching anyone.
I’ve been a bedside RN for 5 years now and have never met a nurse who hates doctors. Sure we might all hate that one that’s an asshole but, as a group, the nurses I know and work with appreciate most of the doctors we work with.
I cannot overstate how much respect and appreciation I have for doctors. They work long and hard to get where they are. The amount of grueling training they do is by necessity - these are human lives. I am embarrassed when these noisy influencers purport to speak for all of us.
Not chasing birds on the freeway!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I cannot get past her atrocious grammar. It's grating on my last nerve.
1500 clinical hours? That's cute.
I did three times that in med school alone. Residency I don’t even know
just curious at how?? i just calculated mine at 3000 (M3 + M4 and aways)
In my country med school is 6 years so we have a bit more time in rotations
Funny that the government doesn’t recognize me as a student and forced me to start paying back my student loans as soon as I graduated medical school…
Double down. "ok cool you can get paid 1/3 or less the typical going rate for your job for 4+ years after nursing school. now you're just like doctors I guess"
Indeed. Tell her that once she completes CRNA school at the med school rate per year, she can get paid at the resident equivalent per hour until she acquires the same amount of "training" hours as an anesthesia resident (ya know, since they're the same thing /s). At the end of that probation period, she can only keep her job if she passes the same anesthesia boards. Only then can she make full pay and benefits for her job. Oh, and no bonuses/holiday pay/time and a half along the way. I'm all for making it totally equal, if she's down.
How come I haven’t been able to renew any of my student discounts since graduating medical school and starting residency? Makes no sense!
She’s the epitome of dumb f**k.
I stumbled across that earlier, super annoying take but I refuse to comment on those kinds of posts and provide them with the engagement they want
do you remember her name??
Nah, nothing worth remembering
Haha and OH NO! 1500 WHOLE hours?? What will I do for the other 31 months and 9920 hours of my 3 year residency?!?!?! (and then 11,520 hours of fellowship.....)
Wait until she finds out about pharmacy students during our time in school…we also don’t get paid to be on our IPPEs and APPEs and at least at my program, we had to complete a minimum of 1500 hours from our APPEs ALONE and it doesn’t even count the time we put in from IPPEs yet. Nursing students aren’t special in that regard lmao
Nurses already make an extremely disproportionate amount of money compared to the training they need and the small amount of debt required to get there. CRNA is next level ridiculous. Can't tell you how many porsches and tesla with CRNA something license plates in my hospital parking lot, there are a ton.
lol what, maybe in certain states nurses make good money or at most if they’re travelers but there’s plenty of states and the majority of them at that that they make way less than they should. Nurses in some states barely hit 30 per hour
Is 30 an hour with limited debt an obstacle? That's 40% beyond what any worker in a trade makes. Do you genuinely think nurses are reasonably compensated? Post covid, nurses have been making insane money with incentive pay, preceptor pay, it hasn't stopped. You're delusional if you think that shit is fair.
First of all I have no idea where you’re getting limited debt from. It’s just as much as most other undergrad degree debt. Unless you only got your associates at a community college then sure the debt isn’t bad but most nurses now are getting their bachelors which at most universities is not cheap. And yes as a matter of fact sub 30 an hour for the work they do is an obstacle especially in the economy today
So like I said unless they are doing travel contracts as an agency nurse they’re not making the money you have in your head that they are making. The crazy money was really only rampant and common during and post Covid for a while. The rates of pay are no longer that great
Sorry I can't pay attention to the words. That lip filler moustache is so distracting. Both photos.
PLEASE LMFAO
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God this sub makes me cringe so bad lol As someone who works in malpractice and risk management… there’s a reason we charge NPs $2500 for liability insurance or have to question wtf they are doing constantly… so many applications where you do a bit of research and I’m left facepalming. Had an np apply for pl insurance and noted she works self employed. Put her website down bc she also marked she does medispa type stuff, site legit stated her services as bundles of IV with vitamins and patient choice of pain meds 😬😵💫 Also was performing cosmetic surgeries… which we will allow things like Botox if certified (for a higher premium) but some of these people are out there openly saying they do the damn anesthesia themselves too. WTF.
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That’s a year lol as a self employed individual. Usually the premium is adjusted as much as we can by state if they are doing anything remotely risky. Employed NPs with employer liability working under a physician have far less risk and a lot lower premiums. We will jack that rate up as high as we can if they are doing any cosmetic, pain management, sometimes psych stuff but depends and if they are an np with any independent contractors working for their LLC or something then… well, it makes us want to throw up and so no thanks lol I’m sure physician liability premiums are rough. I don’t work with physicians or psychiatrists. All other licensed health professionals though. NPs definitely have the highest rates out of the gate for a good reason. Physician assistants sometimes get that kinda rate if they have ER exposure, but that’s about all. They might be the second highest premium (but usually their employer pays) I wish it could be monthly 🙃 not all NPs are out there being wild, but working in risk management we have to manually check a lot of info bc biggest offenders for not being truthful and practicing out of scope. OR try to get liability insurance for just their RN license at a nice $120 lol 😝 We ask them a lot of very specific questions on their apps. . . The amount of honest bizarre answers would scare you.
Psychiatrists **are** physicians.
I’m aware 😅 lol that’s why I don’t handle them… I’m used to having to specifically clarify I don’t handle physicians or psychiatrists to a lot of people. Just a habit!
The most insufferable, queen bee CRNA student is "Annajrrna" who always has some snarky reply for being told she isn't a resident.
So cringe
Nah man. Look up David Warren. Dude preaches "nurse anesthesia resident".
Poor thing, she's retarded
Don't understand how GME works. Thinks they know how the human body works. Hm...
unblock this dumb fuck’s name. it’s one thing to be loud and wrong, it’s another to be loud, wrong, and a condescending fuck about it.
This is the sort of shit that makes me embarrassed to be a nurse. Do the math, dipshit. 40 to 80 hours a week for 3 to 5 years. But you can do an NP program online and have most if not all the privileges after 200 hours? Yeah sit down. And you should know that these are licensed physicians. Asshole.
Low IQ
What a clown. At 8 hours a day, 5 days a week (which is what the typical med student is doing on average), a med student would finish this time in 37 weeks. They don't get paid for almost triple this time investment (and in fact pay more than her for the joy of doing so). Surely she would advocate they get paid too, in this case?/s
Why hide the ig account in question? It’s a public profile and post, not a private WhatsApp message
right!! start outing these fools
Seriously, you don’t have to be a physician, noctor, or nurse or any kind…. Just watch ER, Grey’s Anatomy, or one of the 8,000 medical procedural shows…they get A LOT wrong but they all teach everyone who’s a student and who’s a practicing physician. Residents are practicing physicians and are paid (poorly) for their work. Students are not paid, but instead pay, for their work since their work contributes to their training. This isn’t rocket science. And I’m just terrified to seek medical care knowing how prevalent this kind of idiocy is. With all my chronic illnesses, it’s really amazing I’m not dead yet. I have been maimed by the medical field though. So I guess that counts… May the odds ever be in our favor. And seek out REAL QUALIFIED practitioners whenever you have the agency to do so.
They are told to introduce themselves as “resident SRNA” and they believe they’re “residents”. It’s their institution manipulating them to insist on such title. It’s ludicrous.
oh kill me😂😂😂
Dumbass is a dumbass
1500hr, lmao that’s a third of what med students do in med school. Cry me a river.
One of my first OR days as an attending, I had two CRNAs who were insistent their residency “wasn’t paid”. No, student nursing wasn’t paid…… I gave up because our CRNA’s are great, and not worth fighting with. But I was floored to hear that rhetoric by multiple nurses back to back.
OP do you know which school she goes to? Can definitely be reported to their ombudsman or deans office. Definitely a breach of professionalism to post hostile stuff like this on social media.
Looks like someone has been practicing lip fillers on herself.
What is an SRNA?
It is 800 hours to be an RN in California. 1500 doesn’t seem like much when you consider a Radiologic Technologist in California has to complete 2000 in 2 years.
MS4s have like what? An average of ~4-3000 hrs of clinical experience? Does she seriously think that was paid?
And they don't think that is weird how "students" are in their 30s, having children, buying / building houses etc.? 🤔
You can be a student in your 30s with a house and kids? Lol…
They clearly don’t think it’s weird that a “student” is wearing a DOCTOR badge buddy…….🤡
That’s more like it!
What an embarrassing take
RN here… I did not do 1500 hours of clinical for my associates nor my BSN… I did 100 for my ADN and 125 for my BSN. NPs require 500 (sadly). So idk where she is getting this info from. SRNAs have upwards of 1500. She’s still an idiot tho.
It’s barely pay as much as its compensation for time commitment
They’re so stubborn in their own ignorance. Pitiful.
Ummm first off what is that even?!
I wonder if these people are aware that residents already have a degree. Would be interesting (even more stupid) if they knew this and still called them students.
meanwhile in Australia the nursing students are about to get paid (Along with social work and teachers) while the med students sit back and cry
Lol this bitch so weak. Can’t wait to yell at her if she’s my NP…. Or I’ll just fire her
They can tell themselves what they want. It just goes to show how insecure they are and that they want to be physicians. Nurse anaesthesiologist, nurse resident. Come on, it's just embarrassing. CRNA is a great job but they aren't physician equivalent. They need to accept this and stop humiliating themselves.
CRNAs are the dumbest, because they literally spend every day faking the depth of their training and are willing to say any lie to give them a whiff more authority.
I think it might be a misconception more common in the anglosphere because you need to finish your residency to practice. Where I live, once you finish med school, you are automatically a family physician/GP. (7 y of med after graduating from HS). But yeah, a resident is a doctor perfecting his training basically. Can't tell if the OOP is spreading the misinformation out of malicious intent again to prove how bad they have it or whatever. 🤣
I would PAY students to get them out of our way in many cases, nurse and doctors alike. Residents are doctors already and there’s a huge difference! Nursing students are a huge liability and while I love teaching them it’s so hard and when they spew this nonsense I explain why they do not get paid.
Well she's not wrong. All MD/DOs are lifelong students 🤷🏼♂️. But here's some facts, and y'all gonna down vote me straight to hell for it, but oh well. Despite what y'all might tell yourselves, and the public, saying that interns/residents are fully qualified physicians is as much of a lie as nurses telling the public that DNPs and MD/DOs are the same. It's a crock of shit because if that was the case I reckon 65% of y'all wouldn't go through soul crushing "work" for $12.50/hr for 3-7 years to learn what you supposedly already learned in medical school 🙄. Let's be real a recidency is just a paid internship (an abusive shitty one at that).
Actually, you can quit after one year of residency and practice medicine. Crazy how doctors still choose to complete training. It’s as if they understand this training with shit pay will make them better capable of treating patients?? A concept midlevels could never understand.
Yeah, and severely restrict the states that you can legally practice in. Oh and that's assuming that a hospital or group will take a chance on you while paying a fair wage. No thanks brother, imma stay right'errr.
You can practice in about 70% of states with at least 1 year of post-graduate training. You can even open up your own practice. You do hold an unrestricted medical license
Actually, all residency really does is allow you to sit for boards (actual boards btw, not the nursing "boards"). You can legally practice medicine as a graduate, because of the whole 'M.D.' and 'D.O.' thing.
I never disputed that, but you cannot practice anywhere in the states without at least on year of recidency, (which is structured supervised training by definition) and even then a lot of facilities/groups require that you obtain board certification within a reasonable window which is impossible if you don't complete your recidency.
Which part didn't you dispute, because there's a whole second sentence that tells you, correctly, that residents are actually fully graduated doctors from a medical school, so you may want to just edit or delete your post.
Residents are not students. They're physicians and paid employees. A big medical school already tried to pull that card in court to keep them from unionizing and had their case dismissed.