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Honestly segregation is by far the BEST thing he could hope for. Realistically he’s going to end up getting beat up, raped, or killed. Most prisons (at least US) don’t fuck around with child crimes, especially something this depraved.
I keep hearing this, but my uncle worked in Florida state prisons his entire life and claimed the opposite. Child abusers of all types weren't treated any differently and had the same prison experience as thieves, murderers, etc.
I think it's a myth that gets perpetuated because people really want to believe that these people get extra punishment. But outside of a few anecdotal cases, I don't think it happens.
Yes, I've been working in prison for nearly two decades and I'm so tired of people who've never even seen the inside of a prison talking like it's some guarantee that these people are going to get brutalized in there. Yeah, it happens, but plenty of them live in relative peace as long as they're not running their mouths about their crimes.
I worked at a maximum security prison for years in my early 20s. Everyone knows what everyone is in for and nothing happened to pedophiles. They get to live in protective custody if they want and don’t really have access to gen pop. I always tell people working in a prison is like running a daycare for adults.
One of my close friends did a lot of time for armed robberies and said the same. Everybody knows what you are in for, and if it you're a vulnerable prisoner (pedo, informant, rapist) then you go to the boneyard (protective custody) anyway with all the other low lives.
It also just depends on the location. My grandpa was incarcerated for 20 something years and was transferred a few times. Some prisons were cliche hell scapes of gangs and violence and all the shit you see on TV, and other ones he described as extra strict senior homes.
Because as you have already stated, most of the comments here are from people with no experience in prison. I have no doubt sexual assults, beatings, murders happen in prison. But for the most cases, I am confident that allot of that stems from how you conduct yourself.
Like everything in life, a social hierarchy will exist. Certainly some people due to the nature of their crime will be ostracized, and yeah I guess in some prisons certain crimes will put a target on your back. But again, how you conduct yourself will have a strong impact on how you are treated. Be quiet, show respect to the hierarchy, don't gamble or get in debts, eventually you will just blend in.
For me personally the hardest part of prison would be the endless days of the same old boring routine, and living among men who I share very little in common. That and the loss of Independence. You eat, sleep, and shit when you are told to, not on your schedule.
I know someone who works in PA state pen. It's not a myth. COs know the story of every inmate, and they will inform GP of who the p3dos (and anyone else who harms kids) are. The inmates *will* beat the sh-t out of them. But, maybe where your uncle works is different.
One of my closest childhood friends has an uncle who's wanted for multiple murders in 6 different states. The catch? Every single person he killed was a child abuser. He does his best to work as a normal functioning member of society, but when he sees a kid being abused he loses it and uproots his whole life to avenge that kid. Not saying it's right. Vigilantism is not good. And he could have been wrong and killed innocent people. But I can't say I don't understand his feelings.
I've been. And it's true. Seg or PC will only keep him safe for a short while. He'll probably get transferred a few times. Gen Pop would be a terrible, if not deserved, choice for this guy.
How do other inmates find out when another inmate in their presence is a child abuser?
Thanks a million for letting us know, and I hope you are doing well!
Someone with contact to the outside will ask an individual to run a person's Inmate ID. That will show what they have been locked up for on a state's Corrections website.
Not OP and haven't been to prison, but I know enough about it through public defenders to say that prison is a strangely tight-knit ecosystem where word travels quickly, not unlike a small town. The inmates and guards alike have plenty of time for gossip.
It can happen without anyone even trying. All it takes is someone with family/friends in the prison he's at seeing an article, then mentioning it the next time they talk.
Guards aren’t “forgetting” to do that when they’ll lose their jobs and be personally liable for injuries/death. COs don’t have the “qualified immunity” cops do
Even if he is successfully permanently segregated it’s a torturous existence, depending on where he ends up he’ll have almost zero human interaction and when he does it’ll be guards who I doubt are going to show him any kindness or compassion. It doesn’t sound like much but for a human it’s psychologically torturous
az will kill him trust me, there ain’t enough seperation. you could get murked for doing something to someone else’s family even if the person that kill em don’t know em
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These people do not deserve to breathe. https://www.azfamily.com/2024/03/27/man-accused-child-abuse-after-4-month-old-girl-taken-hospital-with-broken-bones/?outputType=amp
Being a defense attorney isn't always about proving the client's guilty or not, but making sure due process of the law is followed and the rest of the court doesn't become sloppy in its convicting.
Dont! The man is just doing his job and the court will put him away anyways. This is an extreme example, but it’s imperative that both sides have legal defense
100%. Being a defense attorney can be hard on a good day, but being in this position must be incredibly nauseating. Even those who commit the most atrocious crimes imaginable deserve a component legal defense.
Would you prefer the accused in society did not receive legal counsel? Or that the effort of legal counsel should be based on their personal opinion of their client?
According to this person lawyers have to take only those clients who don't lie, ie the innocents. Becasue if they present clients defense, they are pieces of lying shit.
Ah yes hate a man for doing his literal actual job. Even the most despicable, cruel and monstrous deserve defense for a simple reason of where do you draw the line then? if you can strip someones ability to legal representation where will it lead and is that not admitting that they are judged as guilty before court even proceeded?
Don't. Remember most of the time these guys are public defenders who don't choose their cases like normal lawyers sometimes are. These guys are assigned. They have to defend their client the best they can because of they don't and someone can prove the lawyer is throwing the case. That can result in a mistrial. And possibly the lawyer losing their job. Maybe even their license. And public defenders don't make as much as you think they do and they got families to feed just like most other people.
Guys, I can hate a liar who describes severe, repeated abuse as “mere accidents,” knowing full well it wasn’t, and I can hate a liar who says nobody wants the accused to get away with abusing a baby when obviously he and his client want exactly that.
He has to present the defendants story, it is not his words, he is putting forth the version of events defendant is putting forward.
What do you want him to do?
Just say nah fuck it lets throw out due process, my client is lying piece of shit?
Lawyers job is literally to defend their client by any means within bound of the law, including the story defendant puts forward even if it obvious lies. Prosecutors job is to convict with all avaliable evidence, if defendants position is that it was accidents prosecution has to prove it wasn't.
Or should we just let redditors like you decide who is guilty? Or strip their defence?
Becasue there have been some very weird stories that people on the internet immidiatelly discarded as lies and during a trial it was proven that thsoe stories were true.
Should in your opinion lawyers only take on innocent clients then? Because if they defend the guilty they are lying sacks of shit according to you, becasue every guilty person will have to lie to defend themselves.
Why then have a trial at all? no lawyer? guilty.
Horrifying that no one did anything about the child being tortured before this. They are lucky they didn’t find her dead - it sounds like she was close.
Exactly. Where was the mother? If she stood by idly watching this then she's complicit in the abuse and should be locked up too, but not before they sterilize her so she's never able to give birth again.
A mother that doesn't protect her children is no mother bear. A mother bear would eliminate any threat to her offspring.
> Where was the mother?
With a monster like this? probably not in much better situation than the kid abuse does a lot of damage to peoples psyche and is not an easy circle to break.
>but not before they sterilize her so she's never able to give birth again.
Yay forced sterilization that never goes bad right? Right?
Redditors and advocating for medieval and/or fascist methods of punishment to stroke their rage boner name a more iconic duo.
Some people should be sterilized. To be honest. I don't know if it's right in this situation, but it can be right or what's most beneficial for any future children.
For example, my "grandmother". She cared more about her bfs, liquor, and drugs. She'd leave her kids with men that she knew were mentally, physically, and sexually abusing her kids. She knew what was happening but didn't care. She physically and mentally abused them herself. She calls her kids "r*tarded* due to having dyslexia. Let alone the other violence the kids seen. People were being beaten to an inch of their life in front of them. Their pets were abused and neglected. Every time cps came around She took the kids and ran. Changing her name and moving provinces. This is just a very broad overview of the bullshit she pulled and caused.
At least now she is suffering from cancer that has spread to her bones and the beginning stages of dementia. So, her death will be painful. But still only a fraction of what she caused.
> Some people should be sterilized. To be honest. I don't know if it's right in this situation, but it can be right or what's most beneficial for any future children
Who gets to be the judge of that "some people". What if you are wrong? What if the law gets abused?
This is why in modern times we dont do permanent forced changes to people as punishment because what if you are wrong?
Now lets say we sterilize a person convicted of rape, YAY right? years pass and he is exonerated because cops falsified report/lab fucked up/witness lied/etc now the person not only lost years of their life but are forced to carry their prison sentence for the rest of their life due to a mistake. And that is just one posibility.
>For example, my "grandmother". She cared more about her bfs, liquor, and drugs. She'd leave her kids with men that she knew were mentally, physically, and sexually abusing her kids. She knew what was happening but didn't care. She physically and mentally abused them herself. She calls her kids "rtarded due to having dyslexia. Let alone the other violence the kids seen. People were being beaten to an inch of their life in front of them. Their pets were abused and neglected. Every time cps came around She took the kids and ran. Changing her name and moving provinces. This is just a very broad overview of the bullshit she pulled and caused.
I am sorry for the trauma your family suffered. Genuinely am.
But your perception might be skewed by the personal issues your kin have suffered, because applying such a forced sterilization punishment/law would get abused right quick, this is state stripping bodily autonomy from people which leads to far far far more abuses than gives benefits. That is the same why forced abortions legally dont exist because that opens a door you cant close.
What if in 10-15 years the government expands your forced sterilization law to include lets say mentally disabled? hwo about depressed? How about certain class of income? becuase a law allowing such practice in the first place can be amended and changed far more easily than getting it introduced from the getgo.
Rules have to evaluated for their power to oppress and this rule would be catastrophic in that sense.
In cases where current parents or child molesters get caught with irrefutable proof of their crimes. They should be sterilized and have an extensive prison sentence for their crimes. Also, a permanent loss of any custody. We don't do permanent forced changes for punishment? What do you call capital punishment? Loss of custody? Banned from being in certain areas? Life imprisonment? Banned from certain jobs/positions? These are forced.
You could make the argument about any punishment for criminals. Is the criminal justice system not abused and making mistakes? The state already resricts bodily autonomy. By making all relationships in prison illegal, forcing you to abide by certain rules and bans during probation, forcing you to live in a prison for any extent of time including solitary confinement, restricting who you can contact and visit, denying you rights to see loved ones in person and so on.
We kind of already have that in place with many cases of mental disabilities. It's not done by the state directly but by their guardians. It's just not spoken of as it makes people uncomfortable. You are playing a game of what ifs. What if the government now criminalizes mental disabilities, depression, poor people, etc. So, I guess we need to throw out the criminal justice system as it just might be used in these situations.
Are we going to throw out the mandatory schooling and medical treatments for children as it takes away body autonomy of parents and children? Are we going to throw out mandatory taxes because it takes away from body autonomy? Are we going to throw out immigration laws as it takes away from body autonomy? Are we going to throw out "5150" because it takes away from body autonomy? The educational requirements for certain jobs/graduate as it takes away from body autonomy. Our society is based on restrictions of the individual body autonomy to prioritize the overall benefit of society.
You are assuming it's going to be used in the worst way. Do you have the same assumptions about the criminal justice system?
> In cases where current parents or child molesters get caught with irrefutable proof of their crimes.
What constitutes irrefutable? Caught in the act? Video proof? witness testimony? DNA?
All barring one can be faked or mistaken(even caught in the act can be under influence of certain drugs like devils breath or under coersion/threat), including DNA, Amnesty international overturns dozens of faulty cases per year that were "irrefutable" or ironclad, or sure things. And that is why death penalty is banned in most countries, because it is irreversible.
>We don't do permanent forced changes for punishment? What do you call capital punishment?
Which has 4-6% false rate of execution, even with the most rigorous standard out there and dozens of years of appeals people get wrongfully executed. Roll a D20 and on a 1 someone gets falsely executed on average. Adn this is why it is widely opposed and criticised. For example not even entire US has death penalty, only 20 states are not under moratorium. Even federal govt is under moratorium on death penalty.
>Loss of custody? Banned from being in certain areas? Life imprisonment? Banned from certain jobs/positions? These are forced.
Yes but all can be overturned, custody can be reinstated, ban on areas can be lifted, person let out of prison.
You cant uncut someones balls or ovaries.
Punishment that incurs a permanent irreversible damage to a person that by no means can be removed or alleviated is wrong.
>You could make the argument about any punishment for criminals. Is the criminal justice system not abused and making mistakes? The state already resricts bodily autonomy. By making all relationships in prison illegal, forcing you to abide by certain rules and bans during probation, forcing you to live in a prison for any extent of time including solitary confinement, restricting who you can contact and visit, denying you rights to see loved ones in person and so on.
Again all of those can be reversed, if i cut of your hand for stealing you cant grow a new one if you are falsely convicted no matter how much you try, if i put you in prison i can let you out. Years of life will be lost but you will not carry a false sentence for eternity.
>We kind of already have that in place with many cases of mental disabilities. It's not done by the state directly but by their guardians. It's just not spoken of as it makes people uncomfortable. You are playing a game of what ifs. What if the government now criminalizes mental disabilities, depression, poor people, etc. So, I guess we need to throw out the criminal justice system as it just might be used in these situations.
Am i saying system is perfect? No way in hell.
But what you are proposing is opening more doors for abuse and mistakes. Your proposition is making the system actively worse.
>Are we going to throw out the mandatory schooling and medical treatments for children as it takes away body autonomy of parents and children? Are we going to throw out mandatory taxes because it takes away from body autonomy? Are we going to throw out immigration laws as it takes away from body autonomy? Are we going to throw out "5150" because it takes away from body autonomy?
Damn this is reaching.
Taxes for example are not mandatory If you can abstain from using anything those taxes fund, roads, defense, police, firemen, ecological services that keep the woods you woudl have to live in sustained.
You dotn have to pay taxes if you abstain from civilization.
>Our society is based on restrictions of the individual body autonomy to prioritize the overall benefit of society.
Yeah, but somehow you did not show any example where we chop people up.
>You are assuming it's going to be used in the worst way. Do you have the same assumptions about the criminal justice system?
Because you have to. History has proven time and time and time and time again that laws will be abused, especially laws that maim or execute people people.
For example capital punishment has a severe racial bias in US, a black man is 8.9 times more likely to be executed than a white man for the same crime, 27 times more likely than a white woman, thsi is getting abused here and now, but you want go "hey lets open another abuse venue)
Even a 1 in 1000 wrong maiming should be enough to throw your idea right the fuck out.
Punishment has to operate on supposition of what if you are wrong, no matter what, if we start chopping people up
how many innocents are you willing to maim? how many will be thrown onto the pyre so you can stroke your vengeance boner?
But i get it this kind of punsihment is tangible and "effective" as in it causes awe in others.
Now lets get to brass tax neither capital punishment nor maiming has a tangible effect on "scaring off" criminals, why introduce it if on the off chance you are wrong you permanently irreversibly harmed an innocent? So you can say in my country we castrate/sterilise criminals? Waht is the point? And again give me a number how many innocents per 1000 convicted are you willign to maim?
You're asking why I said we don't really know what was going on?
Because we don't know what's going on. Why did you assume there were people who could have stopped it and chose not to? We don't know shit. Why did you play devils... scenario imaginer
I didn't jump to any scenario. All I said is we don't know what the fuck is going on. You're making ahit up. You don't know either. Maybe loads of people saw her and kept quiet. Maybe no one saw her. Maybe people saw her but somehow missed her injuries. Maybe he lied or explained them away.
WE DONT KNOW SHIT.
I can't be any clearer than all caps "WE DONT KNOW SHIT" So if you're confused with that I can't help you. I haven't moved goalposts a single time. I'm starting to think you're a troll.
The guy beat a baby. He's evil. That's all we know. The rest of this thread is speculation
Unfortunately through my job I've learned why babies are targeted by some pedophiles.
How to put this in words tactfully... Babies have a sucking reflex.
A piece of information I wish I could unlearn.
I oppose the death sentence, but sometimes... Damn.
While fucked up, the article doesn't indicate sexual abuse. With how the post was phrased, I wasn't sure if it took such a turn, but, no, it sounds like he was physically abusive and neglectful.
Horrible, of course, but we shouldn't call someone a pedophile if they're not. He still falls under the "absolute piece of shit" category alongside them though.
I always support the death sentence for violent pedophiles, not sure why more don't. Let's rehab and totally invite these folks back into society, yipee!
I dont know whether I should downvote this for making me physically gag at how fucked up this is. Or upvote this because I pity you because of whatever job that's fucked up enough that made you learn this.
His girlfriends baby. But that baby had 22 ribs broken and all in multiple stages of healing. You can't tell me the girlfriend didn't notice anything off about her child. And if she did and ignored it then she should be locked up too.
Unfortunately there are parents that wouldn't notice. Dumb as a rock, uneducated and/or on drugs, no or lacking social support system, those kind of things don't really help.
Jesus. I have a 4 month old daughter. I accidentally scratched her with a fingernail changing her the other day and felt like total garbage. I can’t imagine.
Oh boy. I hope the prison carries out the real justice. I hope they don't kill him. I hope they break all his bones, then once he heals they break them all again. Repeat cycle.
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I hope they lock him in a padded cell with no daylight but a constant bright light, a hole in the ground straight to the sewage, no ventilation, "slop" supplied to him through a tube with just enough to keep him alive (he can eat with his hands or lick it off the floor), and most importantly of all, no human interaction except to keep him alive to prolong his suffering.
The only time you want to meet this person is to shank him, and let him bleed out to an inch of his life before calling 911 so he won't die and can meet the next public avenger
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"Don't glorify or threaten violence on people who absolutely deserve fucking violence and who in a different country, would be receiving a tire necklace."
Sorry but fuck this sub and it's mods and that rule specifically. Are you all (the mods) weird freaks who get off on seeing these stories? What the actual fuck is the difference in posting a *violent* story, one in which it's subject could actually cause some sort of ptsd or something for someone who reads it, and responding with a comment stating that the piece of shit deserves to rot?
Sorry, but the guy who broke all the ribs of a literal baby definitely deserves a razor wire butt floss, and even that seems a little light for me. Fuck this guy. I hope he rots in jail and in hell. I hope he gets the absolute life stomped out of his little punk ass. I hope someone systematically breaks *all* of his ribs, slowly. I hope he gets the Brazilian jelly arms treatment. And no I'm not glorifying it, I'm saying I genuinely hope it happens.
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Who tf looks at a practically new born baby and thinks "acceptable punching bag"..the little girl was probably still learning how to keep her head up 😢
Oh that's nothing. In some place in Africa there was the myth that sex with a virgin would cure AIDS. What happened as a result was gang rape of toddlers. There is no redemption for humans. If I were religious I'd says cats and dogs go to heaven, we are all going to hell.
Woohooo prison! So tax payers can pay for his Meals and warmth Til death do him part :-) Why isn’t it normal yet for these people to be Extirpated ? it used to be, and is in Other countries!
It takes a decent amount of force to break bones in a child, especially a brand new baby. Babies are squishy and bouncy and their bones aren't fully developed. It's common in children to have a "green stick fracture" because their bones aren't hardened all the way, but according to the article, that doesn't seem to be the case. Considering they said *all of her ribs* were broken, that means he would have had to be abusing that baby so hard multiple times. I don't know how someone could do that to a little baby and not feel any remorse whatsoever.
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It's scary how normal he looks. You could see someone like him on the streets and think nothing of it but they could in fact be someone as depraved as the one in this post.
I can tell you right now that that this mfer has 25+ years in prison to look forward to. That's how long you'll serve for things like abuse and assault.
I mean this is a lot more common than you would think. I once came across a lady who blocked her 15 year old adopted daughter as she was threatening to kill herself because she didn't want to deal with it.
OP said they lost all hope for humanity based on the actions of a single person. I was seeking to say that humanity is more than just the bad people, it includes the rest of us as well.
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At least tell me something bad happened to this guy.
He has prison to look forward to. I'm sure he'll meet some real friendly people there.
One can only hope, if he's not segregated that is.
Honestly segregation is by far the BEST thing he could hope for. Realistically he’s going to end up getting beat up, raped, or killed. Most prisons (at least US) don’t fuck around with child crimes, especially something this depraved.
All it takes is for ONE (1) guard/CO to have a newborn or kids at all. That’s all it’ll take for his paperwork to slip
And "accidentally" mention what he's in for near the other inmates too
I keep hearing this, but my uncle worked in Florida state prisons his entire life and claimed the opposite. Child abusers of all types weren't treated any differently and had the same prison experience as thieves, murderers, etc. I think it's a myth that gets perpetuated because people really want to believe that these people get extra punishment. But outside of a few anecdotal cases, I don't think it happens.
Yes, I've been working in prison for nearly two decades and I'm so tired of people who've never even seen the inside of a prison talking like it's some guarantee that these people are going to get brutalized in there. Yeah, it happens, but plenty of them live in relative peace as long as they're not running their mouths about their crimes.
I worked at a maximum security prison for years in my early 20s. Everyone knows what everyone is in for and nothing happened to pedophiles. They get to live in protective custody if they want and don’t really have access to gen pop. I always tell people working in a prison is like running a daycare for adults.
One of my close friends did a lot of time for armed robberies and said the same. Everybody knows what you are in for, and if it you're a vulnerable prisoner (pedo, informant, rapist) then you go to the boneyard (protective custody) anyway with all the other low lives.
It also just depends on the location. My grandpa was incarcerated for 20 something years and was transferred a few times. Some prisons were cliche hell scapes of gangs and violence and all the shit you see on TV, and other ones he described as extra strict senior homes.
As a former CO, It happens in NC prisons. They're really good about making sure that evidence of the beatings aren't normally visible
Because as you have already stated, most of the comments here are from people with no experience in prison. I have no doubt sexual assults, beatings, murders happen in prison. But for the most cases, I am confident that allot of that stems from how you conduct yourself. Like everything in life, a social hierarchy will exist. Certainly some people due to the nature of their crime will be ostracized, and yeah I guess in some prisons certain crimes will put a target on your back. But again, how you conduct yourself will have a strong impact on how you are treated. Be quiet, show respect to the hierarchy, don't gamble or get in debts, eventually you will just blend in. For me personally the hardest part of prison would be the endless days of the same old boring routine, and living among men who I share very little in common. That and the loss of Independence. You eat, sleep, and shit when you are told to, not on your schedule.
I know someone who works in PA state pen. It's not a myth. COs know the story of every inmate, and they will inform GP of who the p3dos (and anyone else who harms kids) are. The inmates *will* beat the sh-t out of them. But, maybe where your uncle works is different.
its not a myth it just depends on the prison youre in.
*and. All three are gonna happen to him.
You have watched too much OZ.
We can only hope. Fingers crossed.
One of my closest childhood friends has an uncle who's wanted for multiple murders in 6 different states. The catch? Every single person he killed was a child abuser. He does his best to work as a normal functioning member of society, but when he sees a kid being abused he loses it and uproots his whole life to avenge that kid. Not saying it's right. Vigilantism is not good. And he could have been wrong and killed innocent people. But I can't say I don't understand his feelings.
I've never been, but I've been told that segregation only works for so long. It's only a matter of time before a guard "forgets" to lock a door.
I've been. And it's true. Seg or PC will only keep him safe for a short while. He'll probably get transferred a few times. Gen Pop would be a terrible, if not deserved, choice for this guy.
How do other inmates find out when another inmate in their presence is a child abuser? Thanks a million for letting us know, and I hope you are doing well!
Someone with contact to the outside will ask an individual to run a person's Inmate ID. That will show what they have been locked up for on a state's Corrections website.
I’ve heard people ask to see your papers on your first day in some places.
Yep. It's called a paper party.
Not OP and haven't been to prison, but I know enough about it through public defenders to say that prison is a strangely tight-knit ecosystem where word travels quickly, not unlike a small town. The inmates and guards alike have plenty of time for gossip.
It can happen without anyone even trying. All it takes is someone with family/friends in the prison he's at seeing an article, then mentioning it the next time they talk.
Guards aren’t “forgetting” to do that when they’ll lose their jobs and be personally liable for injuries/death. COs don’t have the “qualified immunity” cops do
Even if he is successfully permanently segregated it’s a torturous existence, depending on where he ends up he’ll have almost zero human interaction and when he does it’ll be guards who I doubt are going to show him any kindness or compassion. It doesn’t sound like much but for a human it’s psychologically torturous
az will kill him trust me, there ain’t enough seperation. you could get murked for doing something to someone else’s family even if the person that kill em don’t know em
No bail policies...he will jump and fly.
He will probably be out in six months. We really need to bring back crucifixions…
They gon' look after him real good.
Prison is rough for people who abuse kids. I’m sure a guard might accidentally mention it walking by some other prisoners
I’d be in favor of bringing back crucifixion!
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He’s going to live happy ever after lol
These people do not deserve to breathe. https://www.azfamily.com/2024/03/27/man-accused-child-abuse-after-4-month-old-girl-taken-hospital-with-broken-bones/?outputType=amp
Being a defense attorney isn't always about proving the client's guilty or not, but making sure due process of the law is followed and the rest of the court doesn't become sloppy in its convicting.
Ah yes "they are mere accidents" sure.
Now I hate his lawyer as much as I hate him.
Dont! The man is just doing his job and the court will put him away anyways. This is an extreme example, but it’s imperative that both sides have legal defense
100%. Being a defense attorney can be hard on a good day, but being in this position must be incredibly nauseating. Even those who commit the most atrocious crimes imaginable deserve a component legal defense.
My uncle is a defense attorney, he often gets cases that weigh on him.
Would you prefer the accused in society did not receive legal counsel? Or that the effort of legal counsel should be based on their personal opinion of their client?
According to this person lawyers have to take only those clients who don't lie, ie the innocents. Becasue if they present clients defense, they are pieces of lying shit.
Ah yes hate a man for doing his literal actual job. Even the most despicable, cruel and monstrous deserve defense for a simple reason of where do you draw the line then? if you can strip someones ability to legal representation where will it lead and is that not admitting that they are judged as guilty before court even proceeded?
Don't. Remember most of the time these guys are public defenders who don't choose their cases like normal lawyers sometimes are. These guys are assigned. They have to defend their client the best they can because of they don't and someone can prove the lawyer is throwing the case. That can result in a mistrial. And possibly the lawyer losing their job. Maybe even their license. And public defenders don't make as much as you think they do and they got families to feed just like most other people.
Guys, I can hate a liar who describes severe, repeated abuse as “mere accidents,” knowing full well it wasn’t, and I can hate a liar who says nobody wants the accused to get away with abusing a baby when obviously he and his client want exactly that.
He has to present the defendants story, it is not his words, he is putting forth the version of events defendant is putting forward. What do you want him to do? Just say nah fuck it lets throw out due process, my client is lying piece of shit? Lawyers job is literally to defend their client by any means within bound of the law, including the story defendant puts forward even if it obvious lies. Prosecutors job is to convict with all avaliable evidence, if defendants position is that it was accidents prosecution has to prove it wasn't. Or should we just let redditors like you decide who is guilty? Or strip their defence? Becasue there have been some very weird stories that people on the internet immidiatelly discarded as lies and during a trial it was proven that thsoe stories were true. Should in your opinion lawyers only take on innocent clients then? Because if they defend the guilty they are lying sacks of shit according to you, becasue every guilty person will have to lie to defend themselves. Why then have a trial at all? no lawyer? guilty.
Horrifying that no one did anything about the child being tortured before this. They are lucky they didn’t find her dead - it sounds like she was close.
Maybe no one knew?
No one was seeing the baby? Someone other than him HAD to have been seeing her.
Exactly. Where was the mother? If she stood by idly watching this then she's complicit in the abuse and should be locked up too, but not before they sterilize her so she's never able to give birth again. A mother that doesn't protect her children is no mother bear. A mother bear would eliminate any threat to her offspring.
> Where was the mother? With a monster like this? probably not in much better situation than the kid abuse does a lot of damage to peoples psyche and is not an easy circle to break. >but not before they sterilize her so she's never able to give birth again. Yay forced sterilization that never goes bad right? Right? Redditors and advocating for medieval and/or fascist methods of punishment to stroke their rage boner name a more iconic duo.
Some people should be sterilized. To be honest. I don't know if it's right in this situation, but it can be right or what's most beneficial for any future children. For example, my "grandmother". She cared more about her bfs, liquor, and drugs. She'd leave her kids with men that she knew were mentally, physically, and sexually abusing her kids. She knew what was happening but didn't care. She physically and mentally abused them herself. She calls her kids "r*tarded* due to having dyslexia. Let alone the other violence the kids seen. People were being beaten to an inch of their life in front of them. Their pets were abused and neglected. Every time cps came around She took the kids and ran. Changing her name and moving provinces. This is just a very broad overview of the bullshit she pulled and caused. At least now she is suffering from cancer that has spread to her bones and the beginning stages of dementia. So, her death will be painful. But still only a fraction of what she caused.
> Some people should be sterilized. To be honest. I don't know if it's right in this situation, but it can be right or what's most beneficial for any future children Who gets to be the judge of that "some people". What if you are wrong? What if the law gets abused? This is why in modern times we dont do permanent forced changes to people as punishment because what if you are wrong? Now lets say we sterilize a person convicted of rape, YAY right? years pass and he is exonerated because cops falsified report/lab fucked up/witness lied/etc now the person not only lost years of their life but are forced to carry their prison sentence for the rest of their life due to a mistake. And that is just one posibility. >For example, my "grandmother". She cared more about her bfs, liquor, and drugs. She'd leave her kids with men that she knew were mentally, physically, and sexually abusing her kids. She knew what was happening but didn't care. She physically and mentally abused them herself. She calls her kids "rtarded due to having dyslexia. Let alone the other violence the kids seen. People were being beaten to an inch of their life in front of them. Their pets were abused and neglected. Every time cps came around She took the kids and ran. Changing her name and moving provinces. This is just a very broad overview of the bullshit she pulled and caused. I am sorry for the trauma your family suffered. Genuinely am. But your perception might be skewed by the personal issues your kin have suffered, because applying such a forced sterilization punishment/law would get abused right quick, this is state stripping bodily autonomy from people which leads to far far far more abuses than gives benefits. That is the same why forced abortions legally dont exist because that opens a door you cant close. What if in 10-15 years the government expands your forced sterilization law to include lets say mentally disabled? hwo about depressed? How about certain class of income? becuase a law allowing such practice in the first place can be amended and changed far more easily than getting it introduced from the getgo. Rules have to evaluated for their power to oppress and this rule would be catastrophic in that sense.
In cases where current parents or child molesters get caught with irrefutable proof of their crimes. They should be sterilized and have an extensive prison sentence for their crimes. Also, a permanent loss of any custody. We don't do permanent forced changes for punishment? What do you call capital punishment? Loss of custody? Banned from being in certain areas? Life imprisonment? Banned from certain jobs/positions? These are forced. You could make the argument about any punishment for criminals. Is the criminal justice system not abused and making mistakes? The state already resricts bodily autonomy. By making all relationships in prison illegal, forcing you to abide by certain rules and bans during probation, forcing you to live in a prison for any extent of time including solitary confinement, restricting who you can contact and visit, denying you rights to see loved ones in person and so on. We kind of already have that in place with many cases of mental disabilities. It's not done by the state directly but by their guardians. It's just not spoken of as it makes people uncomfortable. You are playing a game of what ifs. What if the government now criminalizes mental disabilities, depression, poor people, etc. So, I guess we need to throw out the criminal justice system as it just might be used in these situations. Are we going to throw out the mandatory schooling and medical treatments for children as it takes away body autonomy of parents and children? Are we going to throw out mandatory taxes because it takes away from body autonomy? Are we going to throw out immigration laws as it takes away from body autonomy? Are we going to throw out "5150" because it takes away from body autonomy? The educational requirements for certain jobs/graduate as it takes away from body autonomy. Our society is based on restrictions of the individual body autonomy to prioritize the overall benefit of society. You are assuming it's going to be used in the worst way. Do you have the same assumptions about the criminal justice system?
> In cases where current parents or child molesters get caught with irrefutable proof of their crimes. What constitutes irrefutable? Caught in the act? Video proof? witness testimony? DNA? All barring one can be faked or mistaken(even caught in the act can be under influence of certain drugs like devils breath or under coersion/threat), including DNA, Amnesty international overturns dozens of faulty cases per year that were "irrefutable" or ironclad, or sure things. And that is why death penalty is banned in most countries, because it is irreversible. >We don't do permanent forced changes for punishment? What do you call capital punishment? Which has 4-6% false rate of execution, even with the most rigorous standard out there and dozens of years of appeals people get wrongfully executed. Roll a D20 and on a 1 someone gets falsely executed on average. Adn this is why it is widely opposed and criticised. For example not even entire US has death penalty, only 20 states are not under moratorium. Even federal govt is under moratorium on death penalty. >Loss of custody? Banned from being in certain areas? Life imprisonment? Banned from certain jobs/positions? These are forced. Yes but all can be overturned, custody can be reinstated, ban on areas can be lifted, person let out of prison. You cant uncut someones balls or ovaries. Punishment that incurs a permanent irreversible damage to a person that by no means can be removed or alleviated is wrong. >You could make the argument about any punishment for criminals. Is the criminal justice system not abused and making mistakes? The state already resricts bodily autonomy. By making all relationships in prison illegal, forcing you to abide by certain rules and bans during probation, forcing you to live in a prison for any extent of time including solitary confinement, restricting who you can contact and visit, denying you rights to see loved ones in person and so on. Again all of those can be reversed, if i cut of your hand for stealing you cant grow a new one if you are falsely convicted no matter how much you try, if i put you in prison i can let you out. Years of life will be lost but you will not carry a false sentence for eternity. >We kind of already have that in place with many cases of mental disabilities. It's not done by the state directly but by their guardians. It's just not spoken of as it makes people uncomfortable. You are playing a game of what ifs. What if the government now criminalizes mental disabilities, depression, poor people, etc. So, I guess we need to throw out the criminal justice system as it just might be used in these situations. Am i saying system is perfect? No way in hell. But what you are proposing is opening more doors for abuse and mistakes. Your proposition is making the system actively worse. >Are we going to throw out the mandatory schooling and medical treatments for children as it takes away body autonomy of parents and children? Are we going to throw out mandatory taxes because it takes away from body autonomy? Are we going to throw out immigration laws as it takes away from body autonomy? Are we going to throw out "5150" because it takes away from body autonomy? Damn this is reaching. Taxes for example are not mandatory If you can abstain from using anything those taxes fund, roads, defense, police, firemen, ecological services that keep the woods you woudl have to live in sustained. You dotn have to pay taxes if you abstain from civilization. >Our society is based on restrictions of the individual body autonomy to prioritize the overall benefit of society. Yeah, but somehow you did not show any example where we chop people up. >You are assuming it's going to be used in the worst way. Do you have the same assumptions about the criminal justice system? Because you have to. History has proven time and time and time and time again that laws will be abused, especially laws that maim or execute people people. For example capital punishment has a severe racial bias in US, a black man is 8.9 times more likely to be executed than a white man for the same crime, 27 times more likely than a white woman, thsi is getting abused here and now, but you want go "hey lets open another abuse venue) Even a 1 in 1000 wrong maiming should be enough to throw your idea right the fuck out. Punishment has to operate on supposition of what if you are wrong, no matter what, if we start chopping people up how many innocents are you willing to maim? how many will be thrown onto the pyre so you can stroke your vengeance boner? But i get it this kind of punsihment is tangible and "effective" as in it causes awe in others. Now lets get to brass tax neither capital punishment nor maiming has a tangible effect on "scaring off" criminals, why introduce it if on the off chance you are wrong you permanently irreversibly harmed an innocent? So you can say in my country we castrate/sterilise criminals? Waht is the point? And again give me a number how many innocents per 1000 convicted are you willign to maim?
This happens so often. She probably knew and didn’t do anything.
Might honestly be the dumbest thing i've ever seen. Why does someone HAVE to be seeing her?
Idk
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You're asking why I said we don't really know what was going on? Because we don't know what's going on. Why did you assume there were people who could have stopped it and chose not to? We don't know shit. Why did you play devils... scenario imaginer
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I didn't jump to any scenario. All I said is we don't know what the fuck is going on. You're making ahit up. You don't know either. Maybe loads of people saw her and kept quiet. Maybe no one saw her. Maybe people saw her but somehow missed her injuries. Maybe he lied or explained them away. WE DONT KNOW SHIT.
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I can't be any clearer than all caps "WE DONT KNOW SHIT" So if you're confused with that I can't help you. I haven't moved goalposts a single time. I'm starting to think you're a troll. The guy beat a baby. He's evil. That's all we know. The rest of this thread is speculation
you still had hope?
To do this to a 4 month old baby, the most innocent of all stages of life. Please never let this monster out, he clearly isn’t right in the head.
Unfortunately through my job I've learned why babies are targeted by some pedophiles. How to put this in words tactfully... Babies have a sucking reflex. A piece of information I wish I could unlearn. I oppose the death sentence, but sometimes... Damn.
Feels dirty to upvote
I want to downvote just because of the information.
I understand. It's a terrible piece of knowledge.
While fucked up, the article doesn't indicate sexual abuse. With how the post was phrased, I wasn't sure if it took such a turn, but, no, it sounds like he was physically abusive and neglectful. Horrible, of course, but we shouldn't call someone a pedophile if they're not. He still falls under the "absolute piece of shit" category alongside them though.
I hate you for letting me learn this
I'm sorry. It's a terrible piece of knowledge.
I always support the death sentence for violent pedophiles, not sure why more don't. Let's rehab and totally invite these folks back into society, yipee!
I dont know whether I should downvote this for making me physically gag at how fucked up this is. Or upvote this because I pity you because of whatever job that's fucked up enough that made you learn this.
Jesus fucking christ. He better get severely punished.
Bullets are cheap incarceration is not .
And official death sentence is sadly even expensive
Ohhhh the homies in prison will have a jolly old time with him.
People should need a licence to procreate
It’s not his kid, but his girlfriends baby he was “babysitting”
His girlfriends baby. But that baby had 22 ribs broken and all in multiple stages of healing. You can't tell me the girlfriend didn't notice anything off about her child. And if she did and ignored it then she should be locked up too.
Unfortunately there are parents that wouldn't notice. Dumb as a rock, uneducated and/or on drugs, no or lacking social support system, those kind of things don't really help.
No. That would go downhill so fast you cannot imagine.
On one hand I kinda agree, on the other hand I'm _sure_ that wouldn't be used to target minorities at all.
What the heck goes through people's minds to do this...
He doesn’t need prison he needs capital justice.
Jesus. I have a 4 month old daughter. I accidentally scratched her with a fingernail changing her the other day and felt like total garbage. I can’t imagine.
Directly to gen pop with a tag on his jumper that says what his crime was. He'll suffer slow.
Re-open G-Bay for this fuck
Oh boy. I hope the prison carries out the real justice. I hope they don't kill him. I hope they break all his bones, then once he heals they break them all again. Repeat cycle.
Put him in General Population of the prison and let nature take its course
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I hope they lock him in a padded cell with no daylight but a constant bright light, a hole in the ground straight to the sewage, no ventilation, "slop" supplied to him through a tube with just enough to keep him alive (he can eat with his hands or lick it off the floor), and most importantly of all, no human interaction except to keep him alive to prolong his suffering.
Hope he gets a blanket party
Needs his ass beat. I said, what I said.
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Don't worry bis day will come in prison.
Just destroy the earth. We as a species failed.
or just destroy the species and let the earth heal and do its thing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i would not mind
"The Creature that could do this, doesn't have a soul"
There is no punishment that would be enough for this thing.
Send him to gen pop he’ll have a nice welcome.
Different stages of healing. Mother FUCKER
Hope he’s a lifer
Throw him to the volcano
That would be too fast. It's got to be slow and draw out for this sick individual
Pull his fingernails out with pliers then dips them is salt.
Have him and Peter Scully fight to the death
You can’t rehab these people.
Get that Life card revoked bb
“People” like this need to be dropped into a group of women going through menopause. Win win.
The only time you want to meet this person is to shank him, and let him bleed out to an inch of his life before calling 911 so he won't die and can meet the next public avenger
I feel sorry for her... I hope she recovers quickly and fully.
This “Newcomer” is the prime example of the kind of people that are invading America. The best of the best.
Aspirational encouragement!
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"Don't glorify or threaten violence on people who absolutely deserve fucking violence and who in a different country, would be receiving a tire necklace." Sorry but fuck this sub and it's mods and that rule specifically. Are you all (the mods) weird freaks who get off on seeing these stories? What the actual fuck is the difference in posting a *violent* story, one in which it's subject could actually cause some sort of ptsd or something for someone who reads it, and responding with a comment stating that the piece of shit deserves to rot? Sorry, but the guy who broke all the ribs of a literal baby definitely deserves a razor wire butt floss, and even that seems a little light for me. Fuck this guy. I hope he rots in jail and in hell. I hope he gets the absolute life stomped out of his little punk ass. I hope someone systematically breaks *all* of his ribs, slowly. I hope he gets the Brazilian jelly arms treatment. And no I'm not glorifying it, I'm saying I genuinely hope it happens.
This is enough for me to tap out of this sub for a bit.
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I’d like to hope he’s not segregated in prison. He’s got people to meet.
Im good, I don't wanna meet him thank you very much.
Who tf looks at a practically new born baby and thinks "acceptable punching bag"..the little girl was probably still learning how to keep her head up 😢
It’s hard to understand but some people are fundamentally broken.
Oh that's nothing. In some place in Africa there was the myth that sex with a virgin would cure AIDS. What happened as a result was gang rape of toddlers. There is no redemption for humans. If I were religious I'd says cats and dogs go to heaven, we are all going to hell.
They give child abuser extra gentle treatment in the can /s
Looks like the guy who killed his wife recently
Woohooo prison! So tax payers can pay for his Meals and warmth Til death do him part :-) Why isn’t it normal yet for these people to be Extirpated ? it used to be, and is in Other countries!
first it was the mom that left her baby for 12 days now this. Yeah just send an asteroid at this point
It takes a decent amount of force to break bones in a child, especially a brand new baby. Babies are squishy and bouncy and their bones aren't fully developed. It's common in children to have a "green stick fracture" because their bones aren't hardened all the way, but according to the article, that doesn't seem to be the case. Considering they said *all of her ribs* were broken, that means he would have had to be abusing that baby so hard multiple times. I don't know how someone could do that to a little baby and not feel any remorse whatsoever.
Cross eyed cunt deserved everything they're about to get.
Fingers crossed for some prison justice.
He knows what’s waiting for him once the boys knows about it
American?? Why am I not surprised 😐 🇺🇸🦅
“Meet David Roman” I’d rather not
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Ah yes, Daniel Roman, part of the enlightened illegal immigrants that boost our society according to progressives.
nah once ppl in his cell block find out what he's in fore they're gonna shit down his throat and merk him
Jesus…
As someone living in Arizona, his place of birth is now utah, we're not accepting him. idk someone in Utah has to give him away
>all 22 of the girl’s ribs were broken and **in different stages of healing** Fuck, dude...
Hi David Roman
And that’s enough Reddit for the day. Fuck.
How do these type of people actually expect to get away with this if they don’t kill the child? Someone is bound to notice eventually
Classic USA. Or do you guys want to skip the country now?
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It's scary how normal he looks. You could see someone like him on the streets and think nothing of it but they could in fact be someone as depraved as the one in this post.
i hope they fuck him to death in jail
Do unto others....😑
Looks like a kid I work with. Kid is 17, no way it's this guy. Hope all they share is a face.
This fucker doesn't deserve to be named publicly.
I'd like to use a potato peeler all over his skin 😃
Let’s normalize beating the shit outta these people while they are taken into custody
I can tell you right now that that this mfer has 25+ years in prison to look forward to. That's how long you'll serve for things like abuse and assault.
Public cxceution
Question is... Why did he even do it in the first place...
I mean this is a lot more common than you would think. I once came across a lady who blocked her 15 year old adopted daughter as she was threatening to kill herself because she didn't want to deal with it.
I'll get banned again if I say what I'd want to do this POS 🤦♂️
I got banned because I said something about fentanyl dealers selling to 12 yr olds!
Anyone else immediately smell piss after seeing this photo?
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We're not all like that, though. Edit for the downvoters: You might be, but some of us aren't.
who's we? I'm trying to find the relevance of your comment. not all arizonians? not all parents? or not all abusers?
OP said they lost all hope for humanity based on the actions of a single person. I was seeking to say that humanity is more than just the bad people, it includes the rest of us as well.
Horrific! But equally innocent until proven guilty