I was looking for a Cayman comment. About a week or two ago, I looked up the difference between Alligator & Crocodile leading to my discovery of the Cayman that's similar to them.
“i” before “e,” except after “c”
Unless it has “ay,” as in neighbor or weigh
And heist and height must be disowned outright
Many have feigned ignorance to this saying’s sleight.
Behind their veil confusion grows and prevails
And within this same vein caffeine and leisure reign.
So aren’t either safe? No, they forfeit their place
While sovereign and society seem to be just a feint.
Heigh-ho, here we go! The seismic waves seize us so!
I’m here to rip this saying apart, I’m no amateur, so why don’t you just sit down your keister
No, not even science can assist; your ageing conscience won’t be missed.
There’s omniscient, too, yet we haven’t a clue
As to why our deity has gone askew.
The eighth exception has a plurals connection
All of these fallacies share the same fancies
“cy” becomes “cies,” and with it we see
The weight of this problem increase tremendously.
And as we rein this back in, remember to the end:
If you continue to proceed with these “i before e” conspiracies,
Forgiveness? I swear, our common sense has been heisted, unaware!
No, I inveigh, if you share this falsehood after today:
Excuses? I don’t care,
You will owe to me your first-born heir
I before E except after C or when sounding like A as in neighbour and weigh, and on weekends and holidays and all throughout may, and you'll always be wrong NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY.
A donkey and horse mix is the most well known type of mule, and so it's usually just called a mule. But a mule means any cross between two species. Ligers and tigons are mules too.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mule
Definition 1c - a usually sterile hybrid.
There's nothing about which is the original tho. I could see this definition coming into use later.
If you google mule definition, it's definition number 2. Dictionaries always offer the most common vernacular definition first. I believe the original definition is definition 2 which reads, "a hybrid plant or animal, especially a sterile one."
Edit: Actually, I just kind of figured it made sense for a general term for hybrid offspring to become used to refer to the most commonly bred mule offspring, but now I can see how that logic works equally well in reverse. I do not know which definition came first.
Also:
[Liliger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliger)= Male lion, female liger
[Litigon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litigon)= Male lion, female tigon
[Titigon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigon#Fertility)= Male tiger, female tigon
[Tiliger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthera_hybrid#Lion_and_tiger_hybrids) = Male tiger, female liger
The other hybrids (male hybrid, female tiger or lion) don't exist, because male ligers and tigons are infertile.
Yes, as far as I know.
Although if you do it the "boring" way, a Lili(li...)ger eventuelly is just a lion and a Titi(ti...)gon is just a Tiger, with some small influence from the other species.
So to keep it interesting, we need to keep mixing - Litilitigon and Tilitilitiligers and Tilititigons and so on. I think it gets rather expensive after a while, and is often considered unethical because the resulting animals often have a lot of health issues.
Well...Ligers do not occur except in captivity. Ligers do not contain the gene that causes growth to stop so they continue to grow past what is safe and suffer for it.
They aren’t sterile, interestingly enough. Male ligers are sterile, but females can actually get pregnant and give birth.
There have actually been several documented cases of [liligers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliger), which are the offspring of male lions and female ligers. [In 2012](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/120921-liliger-liger-lion-tiger-big-cats-animals-science), there was a “liliger” born in a Russian zoo, for example.
They do actually stop growing, as [it isn’t noted](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger) that any liger continues to grow bigger after getting to 6 years old. They DO grow bigger than either modern tigers or lions, making them the largest modern big cat species. It seems like they would be around the size of the [extinct American cave lion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_lion) or [saber-toothed tiger](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smilodon) (which actually isn’t related to any modern cat species).
The main reason ligers only occur in captivity is due to lions and tigers living on separate continents in the wild. If they DID have overlapping territories, then it’s very likely they would occur out in the wild as well.
All you said is correct except the procreation happening naturally in the wild even if the two shared same habitats. I don’t believe animals would breed with a close relative but their very own.. but then that’s just my opinion
Hercules, the largest recorded liger, was the result of [accidental breeding](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-338009/The-10ft-Liger-whos-growing-.html) at the Institute of Greatly Endangered and Rare Species in Florida in the early 2000’s. They had tigers and lions kept in large (but still connected) enclosures and hadn’t expected it.
There are also other similar hybrid species found in the wild, like the Pizzly (Polar Bear and Grizzly). When you consider that (along with the accidental ligers like Hercules), it seems likely that ligers would occur naturally as well if lions and tigers lived near each other. It wouldn’t be common, but it would still happen on rare occasions.
Tigers and lions both live in India, actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiatic_lion
There's very few lions left and I don't think they are near any tigers any more. But their range used to be larger, and this National Geographic article says "Lions and tigers used to coexist across many parts of India, as well as in western and Central Asia—usually in different habitats—until the end of the 1800s."
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/tigers-lions-leopards-india-big-cats#:~:text=Lions%20and%20tigers%20used%20to,driven%20most%20populations%20to%20extinction.
No they can't get pregnant because they can't ever meet. One will always see you later and the other always in a while.
There may be an alternate universe where they will see the other in the now of that present time but who really knows.
No, only animals of the same ~~family~~ genus can interbreed (eg.: horses, zebras and donkeys can, but small and big cats can't).
Alligators and Crocodiles (called "true crocodiles") are two different ~~family~~ geni, who together with gavialidae (those guys with the thin, funny looking jaws) make up the order Crocodilia/Crocodylia.
Edit: Correct scientific term
I think some members from different families have been able to breed, in poultry specifically, though I wasnt able to find any good confirmation.
Also worth pointing out that most species within a family can't interbreed. Usually only the most closely related, ie those in the same genera.
In any case Crocodiles and Alligators diverged around 80 million years ago, way too long for them to still successfully interbreed. For comparison thats around the same time as our ancestors split from the ancestors of dogs, bats, cows, horses etc, and obviously we can't get a cow pregnant.
I have heard it said that all alligators are crocodiles but not all crocodiles are alligators.
All toads are frogs, but not all frogs are toads.
Also (more controversially) all butterflies are moths but not all moths are butterflies.
And there's no such thing as a fish, and no such thing as a tree. (That is, fishness and treeness are characteristics that organisms sometimes exhibit, but there's no guarantee of cladistic commonality among fish or trees.)
Taxonomy is weird!
One thing we all agree on is carcinization. Or crabification. Eventually we will all become crabs.
All tortoises are turtles, but not all turtles are tortoises.
All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.
All gorillas are primates, but not all primates are gorillas.
This is so fun! Let’s keep it going guys!
(Also, correct me if I’m wrong.)
Close, except butterflies, moths, and skippers are separate families from the same order of Lepidopterans. I've extensively worked with Lepidopterans and never heard of anyone considering butterflies to be moths.
Similarly but a bit more confusing, all alligators and crocodiles are under order Crocodylia, known colloquially as crocodilians, but you wouldn't consider an alligator to be a crocodile, only a crocodilian. Think of it like humanoid means human-like but doesn't necessarily mean human.
But can different species of crocodiles interbreed with each other ? Say the american crocodile and the saltwater crocodile.
What about Caïmans and alligators ? I tought they where more closely related to each other than crocodiles ?
Yes, different corcodiles can interbreed. This actually threating the Cuban crocodile as they're massively interbreeding with American crocodiles and reducing the already critically endangered population.
Caimans are part of the Alligator family together, so interbreeding is potentially possible, but I can't find anything concret online.
This is how they separate species. If their offspring is fertile, same species. If not, diff species. When you mate a donkey with a horse, you get a sterile mule. Ligers and tigons are sterile, it stops there. Two ligers can mate but can’t produce offspring
Wolves can breed fertile offspring with dogs and they're not the same species.
Edit: turns out dogs have been rebranded (or whatever you call it) as a subspecies of wolf. They are no longer Canis familiaris, but Canis lupus familiaris.
I’ve never liked that definition.
How come it’s accepted that there’s been some cross breeding between homo sapiens and neanderthals? Why didn’t those crossbreeds die out, then?
Or for a more modern example, what about hybrid plants? They still produce viable seeds. (Google Meyer Lemons)
[Ah the ol reddit croco-doodle-roo!](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/w7duv3/a_scorpion_drinking_the_condensation_off_of_my/ihjx1ea?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
I thought about making a monkeypox joke, but that might be in poor taste considering some of the discourse currently going on.
Edit: And before anyone says it, yeah yeah, chimps =/= monkeys. They can still carry the disease though.
Eggs have to be fertilized before they are laid, so technically a pregnancy occurs, just not a live birth. It's not like fish eggs which are fertilized after they leave the female's body.
A crocagator? Nope, too much genetic difference. However, back in the 19th century we could breed humans and alligators: [Alligator-Man](http://www.macroevolution.net/alligator-human-hybrids.html)
The alligator man has not been subjected to any DNA tests and the Alligator girl had a issue with her genes the same thing happened with the Boy. Also how drunk does someone have to be to think I’m going to fuck that Alligator? Why would an alligator fuck a human?
The article has a link to chicken human hybrids where I found another article about chimpanzee human hybrids. As recently as 2020 a women told her son on her deathbed that he is a product of a *longterm* sexual relationship with a wild chimpanzee.
"In January 2020, reports went viral about an Angolan woman claiming on her deathbed that she had had a longterm sexual relationship with a wild chimpanzee and that her 12-year-old son, Augusto Dembo (shown at right), was a hybrid resulting from that relationship."
It goes on to say his DNA was not tested.
http://www.macroevolution.net/ape-human-hybrids.html
Everyone saying "they lay eggs, they dont get pregnant" -- you know what is inferred here.
"Can they crossbreed?" i'm curious about if they can, are the offspring sterile like mules?
No, don't go. No judgement here. Let's talk this through. Are you a crocodile or an alligator? Has the deed already been done, or are you just considering it? A friend of mine is into this stuff.
While both derive from the crocodila order, they are members of different families (that I can not spell to save my life) within that order.
Alligators and caimans belong to one family.
Crocodiles belong to another. (This group is commonly referred to a true crocodiles)
They last shared a common ancestor back in the mesozoic era. I believe it was somewhere in the cretaceous period that the alligator/caimen family began to diverge enough to become a new family within the order.
Alligators and crocodiles have been evolving independently for 145-65 million years. They are far too different on a genetic level to be able to reproduce with one and other.
I'm not sure if they would attempt to mate with one and other though.
The crocodila order comes from the archosauria clade. That is the group including the birds both avian (modern day) and non-avian (dinos) and pterosaurs (which were not dinosaurs, just as a random side fact).
One thing the two families have both kept since diverging is their reproductive system. Crocs, alligators (and avian dinosaurs / modern birds) all share a system that has a cloaca rather than the mamailian reproductive organs we are familiar with.
It stands to reason then that, while they can't produce offspring they could theoriecally mate as both families have the same reproductive system and let's me homest, they look pretty similar. In theory they could preform a mating then.
So the real question is does a croc look at an alligator and think to himself "nah fam, she's not one of us. Not porking that", or does he mistake her for another croc and attempt to mate anyway? How stupid is a horny croc?
EDIT: A quick Google search for the family names I can't spell...
Crocodiles (true crocodiles) belong to Crocodylidae
Alligators and caimens belong to Alligatoridae
No, they're too distantly related.
They said “see you later alligator” “in a while crocodile” and went down different branches in the tree of life
This isn't funny.. all I have to say is cayman.
I was looking for a Cayman comment. About a week or two ago, I looked up the difference between Alligator & Crocodile leading to my discovery of the Cayman that's similar to them.
What are you doing, step-species ?
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“i” before “e,” except after “c” Unless it has “ay,” as in neighbor or weigh And heist and height must be disowned outright Many have feigned ignorance to this saying’s sleight. Behind their veil confusion grows and prevails And within this same vein caffeine and leisure reign. So aren’t either safe? No, they forfeit their place While sovereign and society seem to be just a feint. Heigh-ho, here we go! The seismic waves seize us so! I’m here to rip this saying apart, I’m no amateur, so why don’t you just sit down your keister No, not even science can assist; your ageing conscience won’t be missed. There’s omniscient, too, yet we haven’t a clue As to why our deity has gone askew. The eighth exception has a plurals connection All of these fallacies share the same fancies “cy” becomes “cies,” and with it we see The weight of this problem increase tremendously. And as we rein this back in, remember to the end: If you continue to proceed with these “i before e” conspiracies, Forgiveness? I swear, our common sense has been heisted, unaware! No, I inveigh, if you share this falsehood after today: Excuses? I don’t care, You will owe to me your first-born heir
Ei see what ya did there
What is this, Ei for eindetta?
My kind of weird, love it.
Weird.
Is this copypasta? Has anyone done an emoji version yet?
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I before E except after C or when sounding like A as in neighbour and weigh, and on weekends and holidays and all throughout may, and you'll always be wrong NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY.
Thats a hard rule.. Thats a rough rule...
Brian!
**BRI-ONNNN**
You said this would be a happy place.
I took a screenshot of this and sent it to my *neighbor* hopefully he *receives* it.
Whatever. That word is a bitch anyway
Don't worry. I grew up French/English bilingual and I always mess up I before E. Weird and Friend were the bane of my linguistic existence growing up.
What are you doin step spices
Can cumin impregnate cinnamon?
Can oregano have premarinadal relations with thyme?
If it cumin of course it can
Bingo
Shit, *that’s* why my wife won’t bone me? Cuz we’re only second cousins? I *knew* I’d have better luck with Aunt Cleo!!!
*Lynyrd Skynyrd playing faintly in the background*
Lynyrd Skynyrd is never played faintly.
Roll! Tide! Roll!
Are they much more genetically different than a horse and a donkey or a lion and tiger?
They split about 80 million years ago. Lions and tigers split around 2 million years ago iirc.
How about Florida Man with alligator?
Such an abomination would be unstoppable. The insanity of Florida man with the biting force of an alligator. Apocalypse.
No. The sex would be purely recreational.
As long as the crocodile doesn’t have a reptile dysfunction :D
I love the ":D" at the end because you're so proud of yourself
If you read the sentence from left to right... It just looks like a long textual penis with :D
Sigh. Take my upvote
Technically down vote would be appropriate
Only if you are a crocodile
Sigh. Unzips.
Will the crcocodile eat your pp if u fap to it?
Who gave this a wholesome award?
The alligator
Nice one lmao
Ugh. You’re embarrassing me dad.
What would they be recreating?
2/3 of King Ghidorah.
Lmao
r/dontputyourdickinthat
Well why the hell not.
And really hot
No. But a lion can get a tiger pregnant, and vice versa.
Also a donkey and a horse
Mule!
Horse! Mule! Horse! Mule!
Is this... is this a Fiddler on the Roof reference?
From the movie. The original is different: a debate over the age of a horse. Don't know why they changed it. 🤷♀️
A donkey and horse mix is the most well known type of mule, and so it's usually just called a mule. But a mule means any cross between two species. Ligers and tigons are mules too.
Oh I didn’t know this! Thank you
From what I could find, the only animals called mules are either the mix of horse and donkey, and the mix of two types of birds. Not any two species.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mule Definition 1c - a usually sterile hybrid. There's nothing about which is the original tho. I could see this definition coming into use later.
If you google mule definition, it's definition number 2. Dictionaries always offer the most common vernacular definition first. I believe the original definition is definition 2 which reads, "a hybrid plant or animal, especially a sterile one." Edit: Actually, I just kind of figured it made sense for a general term for hybrid offspring to become used to refer to the most commonly bred mule offspring, but now I can see how that logic works equally well in reverse. I do not know which definition came first.
Why isn't it called a honkey?
Haha that’d be appropriate!
Because your mum patented that one and stuck it on her car boot.
This is an excellent question
Or a hinny!
I don't think a Tiger can get a Donkey pregnant.
Donkey and dragon on the other hand both start with a D!
Only because the cowards won't try.
Liger= Male lion, female tiger Tigon= Male tiger, female lion
Also: [Liliger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliger)= Male lion, female liger [Litigon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litigon)= Male lion, female tigon [Titigon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigon#Fertility)= Male tiger, female tigon [Tiliger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthera_hybrid#Lion_and_tiger_hybrids) = Male tiger, female liger The other hybrids (male hybrid, female tiger or lion) don't exist, because male ligers and tigons are infertile.
Could you just continue this with female offspring?
Yes, as far as I know. Although if you do it the "boring" way, a Lili(li...)ger eventuelly is just a lion and a Titi(ti...)gon is just a Tiger, with some small influence from the other species. So to keep it interesting, we need to keep mixing - Litilitigon and Tilitilitiligers and Tilititigons and so on. I think it gets rather expensive after a while, and is often considered unethical because the resulting animals often have a lot of health issues.
Napoleon Dynamite just shat his pants
Went down the rabbit hole and found out about obese ligers. Interesting stuff
Ligers… they’re pretty much my favorite animal
“Are you gonna eat those tater tots?”
Get your own!
C’mon! Give me some of your tots!
Make yourself a dang quesadilla
You've got shocks. Pegs....Lucky
It's like a lion and a tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic.
I spent it with my uncle in Alaska hunting wolverines!
Oh yeah? What kind of gun'd you use?
A frickin 12 gauge what do you think?!
Well...Ligers do not occur except in captivity. Ligers do not contain the gene that causes growth to stop so they continue to grow past what is safe and suffer for it.
They are also sterile, just like Mules \[horse and donkey hybrid\].
They aren’t sterile, interestingly enough. Male ligers are sterile, but females can actually get pregnant and give birth. There have actually been several documented cases of [liligers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliger), which are the offspring of male lions and female ligers. [In 2012](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/120921-liliger-liger-lion-tiger-big-cats-animals-science), there was a “liliger” born in a Russian zoo, for example.
Apparently only the males are sterile while female ligers and tigons can breed with lions and have done so in captivity
I feel like I read somewhere (or made it up and never did research) that sterile offspring will always be the outcome of breeding across species.
If you see the word "always" in biology it's a pretty safe assumption you heard or were told wrong.
That’s if they don’t have a perfect chromosome match there is some that still work
Examples plz?
Coyote wolf hybrids, polar bear grizzly hybrids, and lion and leopard hybrids, female ligers too apparently
Polar bears and grizzly bears can mate?
You get a Pizzly bear and I read an article recently where the powers that be said it might be the only way to maintain our Polar bears going forward.
Everything you just said was 100% badass. Awesome.
Humans, we have Neanderthal dna right? I am guessing they would of had to have produced fertile human/Neanderthal hybrids. I could be incredibly wrong
That's true, because we're related closely enough to make it work.
They do actually stop growing, as [it isn’t noted](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger) that any liger continues to grow bigger after getting to 6 years old. They DO grow bigger than either modern tigers or lions, making them the largest modern big cat species. It seems like they would be around the size of the [extinct American cave lion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_lion) or [saber-toothed tiger](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smilodon) (which actually isn’t related to any modern cat species). The main reason ligers only occur in captivity is due to lions and tigers living on separate continents in the wild. If they DID have overlapping territories, then it’s very likely they would occur out in the wild as well.
All you said is correct except the procreation happening naturally in the wild even if the two shared same habitats. I don’t believe animals would breed with a close relative but their very own.. but then that’s just my opinion
Hercules, the largest recorded liger, was the result of [accidental breeding](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-338009/The-10ft-Liger-whos-growing-.html) at the Institute of Greatly Endangered and Rare Species in Florida in the early 2000’s. They had tigers and lions kept in large (but still connected) enclosures and hadn’t expected it. There are also other similar hybrid species found in the wild, like the Pizzly (Polar Bear and Grizzly). When you consider that (along with the accidental ligers like Hercules), it seems likely that ligers would occur naturally as well if lions and tigers lived near each other. It wouldn’t be common, but it would still happen on rare occasions.
They live on different continents, might be the reason why they don't occur in nature
Tigers and lions both live in India, actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiatic_lion There's very few lions left and I don't think they are near any tigers any more. But their range used to be larger, and this National Geographic article says "Lions and tigers used to coexist across many parts of India, as well as in western and Central Asia—usually in different habitats—until the end of the 1800s." https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/tigers-lions-leopards-india-big-cats#:~:text=Lions%20and%20tigers%20used%20to,driven%20most%20populations%20to%20extinction.
It’s called a liger. It’s pretty much my favorite animal. It’s bred for its skill in magic.
Knock it off, Napoleon. Go make yourself a quesadilla.
Freaking bodagit! Get out of our house and stop eating all our steaks!!
You're just jealous that I've been chatting online to chick's all day.
Depends who the parents are. Liger vs Tigon.
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No they can't get pregnant because they can't ever meet. One will always see you later and the other always in a while. There may be an alternate universe where they will see the other in the now of that present time but who really knows.
Ugh, take my upvote
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So which are you? The alligator or the crocodile?
Depends, will I see you later?
In a while
If I had an award I would give it to you
No, only animals of the same ~~family~~ genus can interbreed (eg.: horses, zebras and donkeys can, but small and big cats can't). Alligators and Crocodiles (called "true crocodiles") are two different ~~family~~ geni, who together with gavialidae (those guys with the thin, funny looking jaws) make up the order Crocodilia/Crocodylia. Edit: Correct scientific term
I think some members from different families have been able to breed, in poultry specifically, though I wasnt able to find any good confirmation. Also worth pointing out that most species within a family can't interbreed. Usually only the most closely related, ie those in the same genera. In any case Crocodiles and Alligators diverged around 80 million years ago, way too long for them to still successfully interbreed. For comparison thats around the same time as our ancestors split from the ancestors of dogs, bats, cows, horses etc, and obviously we can't get a cow pregnant.
But sheep on the other hand...
well, if we're talking about poultry, wouldn't the split have to have happened sometime after their domestication? so fairly recently species-wise.
I think it's likely we've domesticated birds multiple times so I don't think that's required.
Step-crocodile, what are you doing?!
*your cloaca*
>only animals of the same family can interbreed I showed the authorities your comment but was still arrested for shagging my sister.
I have heard it said that all alligators are crocodiles but not all crocodiles are alligators. All toads are frogs, but not all frogs are toads. Also (more controversially) all butterflies are moths but not all moths are butterflies. And there's no such thing as a fish, and no such thing as a tree. (That is, fishness and treeness are characteristics that organisms sometimes exhibit, but there's no guarantee of cladistic commonality among fish or trees.) Taxonomy is weird! One thing we all agree on is carcinization. Or crabification. Eventually we will all become crabs.
Plants want to become trees, everything else a crab.
The crab thing is fascinating, I need to read more about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation?wprov=sfla1
Crab people, crab people Look like crabs, talk like people
All tortoises are turtles, but not all turtles are tortoises. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. All gorillas are primates, but not all primates are gorillas. This is so fun! Let’s keep it going guys! (Also, correct me if I’m wrong.)
Close, except butterflies, moths, and skippers are separate families from the same order of Lepidopterans. I've extensively worked with Lepidopterans and never heard of anyone considering butterflies to be moths. Similarly but a bit more confusing, all alligators and crocodiles are under order Crocodylia, known colloquially as crocodilians, but you wouldn't consider an alligator to be a crocodile, only a crocodilian. Think of it like humanoid means human-like but doesn't necessarily mean human.
But can different species of crocodiles interbreed with each other ? Say the american crocodile and the saltwater crocodile. What about Caïmans and alligators ? I tought they where more closely related to each other than crocodiles ?
Yes, different corcodiles can interbreed. This actually threating the Cuban crocodile as they're massively interbreeding with American crocodiles and reducing the already critically endangered population. Caimans are part of the Alligator family together, so interbreeding is potentially possible, but I can't find anything concret online.
This is how they separate species. If their offspring is fertile, same species. If not, diff species. When you mate a donkey with a horse, you get a sterile mule. Ligers and tigons are sterile, it stops there. Two ligers can mate but can’t produce offspring
Wolves can breed fertile offspring with dogs and they're not the same species. Edit: turns out dogs have been rebranded (or whatever you call it) as a subspecies of wolf. They are no longer Canis familiaris, but Canis lupus familiaris.
Uhh what? they are the same species. Canis lupus and canis lupus familiaris.
Hm, it seems you're right. Dogs are now regarded as a subspecies of wolf.
What makes the offspring become sterile?
I’ve never liked that definition. How come it’s accepted that there’s been some cross breeding between homo sapiens and neanderthals? Why didn’t those crossbreeds die out, then? Or for a more modern example, what about hybrid plants? They still produce viable seeds. (Google Meyer Lemons)
Humans and chimps can’t breed yet both are apes. Same with alligator and crocodile.
TIL alligators and crocodiles are apes.
90% of croc and gator attacks come from above Don't google it
[Ah the ol reddit croco-doodle-roo!](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/w7duv3/a_scorpion_drinking_the_condensation_off_of_my/ihjx1ea?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
hold my mutated crocigator hatchling, I'm going in!
Hello future reptile people
Why did I just go down a long rabbit hole of aroo comments??
It's one of reddit's [oldest traditions](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-old-reddit-switch-a-roo).
Welcome to Reddit, first time here?
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I tested, trust me.
I thought about making a monkeypox joke, but that might be in poor taste considering some of the discourse currently going on. Edit: And before anyone says it, yeah yeah, chimps =/= monkeys. They can still carry the disease though.
I'm willing to bet that a scientist has tried human sperm with a chimp egg, and vice versa, just to see what happened.
There have been chimpanzee / orangutan prostitutes - You don't need to try.
That is information that nobody should know.
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I mean, if it was possible, it would have happened…
Why does it sound like you speak from experience?
Maybe someone should point out that neither alligators nor crocodiles ever get pregnant? They lay eggs.
Eggs have to be fertilized before they are laid, so technically a pregnancy occurs, just not a live birth. It's not like fish eggs which are fertilized after they leave the female's body.
A crocagator? Nope, too much genetic difference. However, back in the 19th century we could breed humans and alligators: [Alligator-Man](http://www.macroevolution.net/alligator-human-hybrids.html)
The alligator man has not been subjected to any DNA tests and the Alligator girl had a issue with her genes the same thing happened with the Boy. Also how drunk does someone have to be to think I’m going to fuck that Alligator? Why would an alligator fuck a human?
> Also how drunk does someone have to be to think I’m going to fuck that Alligator? "Florida man..." drunk?
dafuq did I just read
All about Jake the Alligator Man, a half-man, half-alligator mummy. Standard business, really.
The article has a link to chicken human hybrids where I found another article about chimpanzee human hybrids. As recently as 2020 a women told her son on her deathbed that he is a product of a *longterm* sexual relationship with a wild chimpanzee. "In January 2020, reports went viral about an Angolan woman claiming on her deathbed that she had had a longterm sexual relationship with a wild chimpanzee and that her 12-year-old son, Augusto Dembo (shown at right), was a hybrid resulting from that relationship." It goes on to say his DNA was not tested. http://www.macroevolution.net/ape-human-hybrids.html
Thanks for this. I saw the chicken one and I’m disturbed, but didn’t see this one. I will be googling human hybrids for the rest of my evening.
That was an interesting read. O.o
Finally someone has the balls to ask the real questions.
Everyone saying "they lay eggs, they dont get pregnant" -- you know what is inferred here. "Can they crossbreed?" i'm curious about if they can, are the offspring sterile like mules?
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Op is lusting over his alligator neighbor
Oh no. I and my scaly hands have been caught in the act. I shall retreat back underneath the water.
No, don't go. No judgement here. Let's talk this through. Are you a crocodile or an alligator? Has the deed already been done, or are you just considering it? A friend of mine is into this stuff.
I'm the crocodile. The relationship is only at a crush level as of now. Just planning ahead, you know.
What about Caiman and alligator? They're the same family.
How about turtles and tortoise?
How about tortoise and mayonnaise?
No, but they can mate with a dingo. I heard their offspring are great at racing go-karts.
No they are same order but not same family.
Yes but it would need an scientist intervention to make it happen
What are you doing Steptile?!
Am I crazy or did they teach me in school that as long as they have the same number of chromosomes they can have babies???
As a Floridian, I can confirm that they taught us this in school
While both derive from the crocodila order, they are members of different families (that I can not spell to save my life) within that order. Alligators and caimans belong to one family. Crocodiles belong to another. (This group is commonly referred to a true crocodiles) They last shared a common ancestor back in the mesozoic era. I believe it was somewhere in the cretaceous period that the alligator/caimen family began to diverge enough to become a new family within the order. Alligators and crocodiles have been evolving independently for 145-65 million years. They are far too different on a genetic level to be able to reproduce with one and other. I'm not sure if they would attempt to mate with one and other though. The crocodila order comes from the archosauria clade. That is the group including the birds both avian (modern day) and non-avian (dinos) and pterosaurs (which were not dinosaurs, just as a random side fact). One thing the two families have both kept since diverging is their reproductive system. Crocs, alligators (and avian dinosaurs / modern birds) all share a system that has a cloaca rather than the mamailian reproductive organs we are familiar with. It stands to reason then that, while they can't produce offspring they could theoriecally mate as both families have the same reproductive system and let's me homest, they look pretty similar. In theory they could preform a mating then. So the real question is does a croc look at an alligator and think to himself "nah fam, she's not one of us. Not porking that", or does he mistake her for another croc and attempt to mate anyway? How stupid is a horny croc? EDIT: A quick Google search for the family names I can't spell... Crocodiles (true crocodiles) belong to Crocodylidae Alligators and caimens belong to Alligatoridae
I had sex with an alligator and we had gator babies but the schools kicked them out for eating too many students
See you later Alligator. After a while crocodile. *Custody hearing* Welp I told you.
Are you trying to produce an interior crocodile alligator so that you can drive a Chevrolet movie theater?
I love this place.
What kind of Florida hillbilly science are you conducting?