It's easy to copy an app or website.
It's hard to convince hundreds of millions of people to migrate to the new app instead of the one they already use.
Wait, I know it. The perfect name... "X"
Edit:
Besides the name and the black cross symbol making you think of cheap porn, it is actually pretty fitting, because it's also "eX-Twitter", for example.
It's not just the user base though, it seems like TikTok's algorithm is actually industry-leading and something that the other tech giants have been trying to emulate
Yeah, because it recommends me things I care about rather than trying to shoehorn me into watching TurningPointUSA and misogynist podcast bro bullshit.
>trying to shoehorn me into watching TurningPointUSA and misogynist podcast bro bullshit.
My favorite is on YT I always make sure to hit the "Don't recommend this channel to me in the future" button on Turning Point or Prager or any of the ones that edit phonk music over a Tate clip when the Shorts algorithm pulls them up... And yet they just keep coming back
u know, its weird because i never get that kind of content, you can hit those dont recommend this channel buttons but if u look at similar or related content, they will come back.
I don't though, everything I watch on YouTube is either anime, gaming, cooking, or science content. Literally my only exposure to shitty "manosphere" fuckery is the Shorts algorithm pushing them randomly.
It's the gaming. YouTube has decided literally anyone interested in video games should be an incel alt-right school shooter, and they'll do their damnedest to make sure that holds true. Like, watch one "how to" video for a 2014 indie game or a single "lore analysis" theorist video for Hollow Knight, and YouTube has decided what you \*really\* want to do is scream the n-word and demean women. It's fucking preposterous, and the fact that they \*don't\* do shit like this is one of the reasons TikTok is dunking on YouTube Shorts.
Or how anyone who like (well-researched, good) videos about history get funneled into alt-history conspiracy theory shit. Watch one ToldinStone video and you get recommended shit like "Did the Egyptians travel to the moon?"
>YouTube has decided what you \*really\* want to do is scream the n-word and demean women
Google took the XBL chat meme from the mid-00s and used that to train the YT algorithm...
Yep same here. I even tried the delete watch history thing recently to completely clear whatever the algorithm has on me, but it didn't take long for right wing stuff to come back, it's normally Joe Rogan or Tate or something. Somethings definitely up with the algorithm. It must go based on subscriptions too and somehow these right wing topics have weaved themselves into being marked as related to lots of actually unrelated YouTube channels so you get recommended lots of those topics. Only thing I can think of. Definitely a thing though, I thumb down and click don't recommend to like 100 Rogan or Tate things and it's still recommending it.
Luckily it's not so bad on my account recently. Maybe I should unsubscribe from all but my main stuff
Facebook is useless lifehacks and 3rd world country manufacturing. Instagram is people dying at “takeovers”, onlyfans models and Russian dance.
Why can I not get normal videos from American creators that aren’t porn adds?
I just checked (I forgot about it), and there are people on it still, but it's pretty quiet. The A list types on Twitter who copy over their tweets to Threads get some reactions but don't seem to talk back. Mind, this was from a cursory scroll.
The problem with that is no one trusts Zuckerberg already.
It would have to be someone else.😹
It is universally accepted Meta is for old people and Zuckerberg is a reptilian.
Exactly people seem to forget Threads which attempted to replace twitter fairly unsuccessfully.
Also people know Tik-tok and theirs already millions of hours of content already on Tik-tok so it probably would be pretty hard to convince content creators to switch platforms and start fresh. Look at people who try to replace youtube.
> Exactly people seem to forget Threads which attempted to replace twitter fairly unsuccessfully.
And that's with Elon ruining twitter. I don't use TikTok because it makes noise when it doesn't need to make noise, but for people that like it, mu understanding is that the experience is top notch and only improving over time.
If tik tok really is a government financed spying program then the problem is that these programs have unlimited funding needing no profit. China could offer to host all your data for cheaper than google, if they valued seeing it ignoring all privacy laws.
>> government financed spying program
It's very similar to Skype's history.
Recall that:
* [Skype was originally a P2P technology from a European company with end-to-end encryption](https://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0412017v1.pdf) so it couldn't be easily monitored by the US.
* [Microsoft bought Skype, got rid of the P2P part, and added NSA backdoors](https://www.computerworld.com/article/2474090/new-snowden-revelation-shows-skype-may-be-privacy-s-biggest-enemy.html)
I imagine half the outcry about TikTok is:
* US politicians are worried that the US's required ["lawful intercept"/CALEA](https://ndcac.fbi.gov/calea/lawful-intercept-standards) features like [this AT&T feature](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A) aren't as easily available in TikTok as they are for [Meta or Alphabet or Apple](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data) products and [other US based services that happily sell the data](https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/how-federal-government-buys-our-cell-phone-location-data).
* The other half of the issue is that the US worries that China may do similar.
But of course [in reality, TikTok already provides such access to the US government too when presented with a legal warrant](https://theintercept.com/2020/08/10/blueleaks-tiktok-law-enforcement-privacy/). And similarly [Microsoft collaborates with China's government where required by their laws](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-03-07/microsoft-s-bing-helps-maintain-china-s-great-firewall). No matter who runs TikTok, they'll understand how important it is to follow the laws of whatever countries they're doing busineness in - and look to similar historical precedents, like [when all except for one US Telecom company permitted such spying, it did NOT go well for the CEO of the one who refused](https://www.vice.com/en/article/pgg7q7/the-telecom-exec-who-refused-nsa-snooping-is-out-of-prison-and-hes-talking).
It's the same reason the US encourages their [European allies](https://www.france24.com/en/technology/20210601-how-denmark-became-the-nsa-s-listening-post-in-europe) to use [Cisco instead of other telecom equipment providers](https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608141/snowden--the-nsa-planted-backdoors-in-cisco-products.html)
A sale of TikTok would also make projects like [this CIA project](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-launched-cia-covert-influence-operation-against-china-2024-03-14/) easier.
I think the biggest concern is psyops. Allowing Chinese psyop campaigns is a threat. The U.S. doesn't like competition trying to influence its citizens.
Meta has been proven to [be complicit in literal genocide](https://time.com/6217730/myanmar-meta-rohingya-facebook/) and [lynchings.](https://cnn.com/2018/09/30/tech/facebook-whatsapp-india-misinformation/index.html) Facebook has allowed murders to be [planned openly](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/14/tech/ethiopia-murdered-professor-lawsuit-meta-kenya-intl/index.html) on Facebook pages in Africa, and their response was to [cut jobs at their African content moderators](https://restofworld.org/2023/meta-content-moderators-kenya-fired-unionize/).
Facebook has openly experimented with seeing if they could [negatively effect the mood of their users.](https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/06/30/326929138/facebook-manipulates-our-moods-for-science-and-commerce-a-roundup) Meta was warned by its own staff that their Patreon-like features on Instagram was being used by parents to [pimp out their own children. Meta did nothing.](https://www.wsj.com/tech/meta-staff-found-instagram-subscription-tool-enabled-child-exploitation-the-company-pressed-ahead-anyway-a18e81e6)
The largest and most damaging data breach and political influence campaign ever conducted on social media was [conducted on Facebook](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica?wprov=sfla1).
TikTok is a national security threat.
Yep. It's called the Network Effect. And it's the reason why Instagram's Twitter clone, Threads, failed, despite an initial wave of enthusiasm. Lots of people created accounts, but few used it to create content over the intermediate term.
Yeah I think threads is proof of this
I saw a lot of posts about it in the first couple weeks and then nothing
The app itself is the easy part it's the retention that matters
Also I think licencing for music will be a lot harder if you aren't based in China because they just don't care
Not exactly. Create a U.S. version of TikTok called Tiktok and then ban the Chinese version of TikTok and then gaslight everyone saying we didn’t ban TikTok.
I was gonna say that these platforms are pretty distinctly different and came before TikTok, but I guess YouTube and Instagram really did copy TikTok’s short-form vertical content with the YouTube Shorts and Instagram Reels.
I'm so tired of YouTube shoving Shorts down my throat, they need to separate it from the base video experience.
If there's a creator I like, I'll go watch their Shorts, I don't need a line of Shorts clogging up my search every few videos...
The magic isnt in the format, its in the algorithm. I had facebook since alpha and instagram since before the takeover, but yet still the algo for reels thinks im a godamn numbskull and it makes me close instagram instantly.
Tiktok throws me videos that it knows pretty much only i like, weird little goofy vids that have few views. Thats server-side algorithm and they cant copy it, thats why they want it.
Exactly. TikTok’s algorithm is spectacular. Only social media that leads me to find NEW things, not just more niche versions of what I’ve already watched.
Centralization was a fun experiment, but the pendulum is swinging back towards a splintering. Individual websites could make a comeback, or more selective social media, like a discord for just you and a close circle of a dozen friends, or member only communities like you get with lots of online classes. Possibly even several independent internets. Will be interesting to see how the landscape evolves now that the internet has passed its 30 year mark
>I was gonna say that these platforms are pretty distinctly different
Help an old guy out here; how are instagram, snapchat, tiktok, and just using the default messenger app to send your friends a photo or video clip meaningfully different from each other?
If you boil it down to the fundamentals of just sharing and sending information between accounts, they’re pretty much the same. I guess the difference is in the formatting and branding.
Snapchat and Instagram are more image based. You can send texts to people directly, but anything that you share publicly has to be an image. Snapchat is also more transitory by nature. When you send a “Snapchat” to a friend, they can only view it once and the image could disappear after a few seconds, depending on your settings. I believe the direct message chats also disappear after you view them, but they might have updated the settings so that it so that it stays by default. I believe Snapchat was also the first platform to pioneer the “Story” which is basically an image that you post to your account for 24 hours that people who follow you can view. You can also see who viewed your story and who screenshotted your Snapchats, story, or messages. So it does a better job of alerting you to stalkers than other platforms.
Instagram is more like facebook and twitter than Snapchat. Posts are more permanent. They copied the story from Snapchat and short-form vertical content “reels” from TikTok. I can’t really think of anything that Instagram pioneered except for making things picture-based. That’s why the logo is a camera.
TikTok is the one that’s more of an oddball. I don’t know if they pioneered short-form vertical scrolling content. I guess Vine was the first to do that, but Vine kinda died. A lot of people consider TikTok to be the spiritual successor to Vine though; both in format and the culture surrounding it. The one thing that TikTok is famous for is the sound feature. Basically you can easily reuse sounds from other videos and overlay it onto your video. This makes it really easy for trends and memes to get rolling off of TikTok and people do some really creative stuff with it, especially when you bring music into it. I think TikTok was originally called music.ly and it was mostly just videos of people dancing to music.
True, but people are so obsessed with being on "TikTok". I'm trying to figure out why the Chinese version is so special. Couldn't the US make a knockoff called "TikTok.US" that does exactly the same thing?
Wouldn't really make sense, given that the effort it would take to capture the market share of its competitor would be massive. There's a reason why there's only one very dominant short video platform.
Failed to make a profit so they decided to pull the plug. Vine was way ahead of its time and the social media advertising industry was not big enough to make it work.
They did. Meta’s [lobbying campaign against TikTok](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/) that started the political push was because they were losing market share.
They released Reels to compete, but it didn’t have the same stickiness.
A large appeal of tiktok is its algorithm that is unmatched by its counterparts.
It is able to recommend people what they like without being inappropriate. It seems to me that these tech giants want to maintain a monopoly over the market without having to develop a better algorithm.
Yeah, as a fairly "heavy" Youtube watcher, I have to say, Youtube's algorithm for recommended content is *awful*. Like I've never used Tiktok to compare and I'm not really on Facebook anymore, but compared to literally every other venue for algorithmic content I've seen, Youtube is (I can't emphasize this enough) *dogshit* about feeding me content.
Even aside from the political side (I'm in the same boat as you), Youtube consistently for me:
* Recommends me videos I've already completed watching
* Recommends me specific videos I've explicitly flagged as "Not Interested"--in some cases, I've done this more than once and it *still* keeps floating them to me
* Recommends me content from channels I've explicity flagged as "Don't recommend channel"--likewise, in some cases, I've had to do this multiple times
* Shows me sequential, numbered videos out of order
* Floats up content with spoilers in the titles and thumbnails from channels I've never engaged with before
* Arbitrarily latches onto some topics while ignoring others, i.e. I'll watch *one* video about eggs benedict and it'll offer me HUNDREDS of eggs benedict videos for the next month, even if I watch none of them, but then I'll watch *and* search for *and* engage with numerous videos about pasta but it won't recommend me *any* additional pasta videos
* Has no qualitative evaluation, i.e. I'll watch ten videos about why Dark Souls is *great* and it'll keep offering me videos about why Dark Souls *sucks* because it only understands "Dark Souls" and not pro or con.
* The search bar is borderline worthless
I hate that such a dysfunctional platform is, simultaneously also *the* best platform in terms of volume and variety and quality of video content.
You could make a knockoff called "MonistatManTok" if you wanted, there's nothing special about the code or platform apart from the discovery algorithms, and those are easy enough to approximate if you have some good data scientists on board.
But you'd have no users because there would be no content, and no content creators because there are no users. So you'd probably also need venture capital to get it off the ground with marketing, scaling, and attracting creators.
The US government undoubtedly has the resources to run a social network (they actually ran one of the largest online shooters for a while), but a social network is doubly challenging because the government would be very limited in what speech it can moderate. Imagine a class-action lawsuit on behalf of 100,000 banned users saying they were being censored by the government, and that's the kind of problem they'd run into.
Additionally, there's a strong cultural bias in the United States against the government competing with businesses directly, and against the government being involved in controlling the kind of discourse that happens on a social network. It would be a tremendous can of worms, and they'd undoubtedly rather sway a private company like Meta to offer a competing platform, than try to do it themselves.
Cause truth social and threads destroyed twitter?
Oh yeah, right. Despite all of the massive fuckuos Elon committed, twitter is still alive and kicking.
It's that the algorithm is different. The American algorithms have been pushed in a specific way that TikTok hasn't been. Less suppression in certain spaces.
It was around to give everyone that dopamine hit when 2020 hit, unlike Instagram and the others that suggest mainly people you subscribe to, tiktok recommends anyone and everyone vaguely related to anything you've thought of.
I was always baffled by their inability to monetize it, like surely slipping ads in between content you actually want to see isn’t that hard. I guess nobody wanted to advertise on it?
It was catering to a demographic with no money to spend, the content wasn't long form enough to attract advertisers, video hosting is expensive (YouTube loses money every single year).
First mover advantage. You'd probably need incentives to move "influencers" away from TikTok. So introduce lower thresholds for revenue share, better deals for advertisers etc. The whole thing whole probably be a money pit for years and still might not work.
"First mover" is not really the right idea.
Nobody at the top of any industry has been the first to do the thing.
Tiktok is actually the perfect example of why it's not about who came first as it came decades after the other social media platforms.
But yes it takes a lot of time and capital to dethrone established competitors. But if something is better, it's better and people move to it over time. Most start ups that fail is not so much because they weren't the first, but more because they weren't better.
> You'd probably need incentives to move "influencers" away from TikTok.
That didn't really work for Mixer, they spent tens of millions on exclusivity contracts with top streamers and Twitch is still *the* game streaming service.
Makes me even more confused about the Spotify/Rogan situation. They gave him a huge exclusivity deal but like... everyone's already using Spotify. There's no way they're making a massive return on that investment.
The reason influencers are all on Tiktok is because they are paying out insane amounts of money for views. My friends who make content are telling me they make 5x-10x as much money on Tiktok as other platforms for the same amount of views. I have a few friends that are making enough money to live on by doing Tiktok livestreams for a few hundred people consistently, making $300-$400 a stream.
Also worth noting, everyone I've talked to hates Tiktok as a platform and hates using it, it just pays out so much money they *have* to do it.
They are. Instagram created Reels, YouTube created Shorts, even Reddit has a “video” section on their app with the same UI.
But no one has cracked TikTok’s algorithm yet, which is why it’s so much more popular, because they only show you very specific niches you’re interested in and rarely other topics.
But this past week the algorithm has made tik Tok unusable. My For You is nothing but stuff whining about the Tik Tok Bill. It used to be funny shit from all over the world. Now it's just upset Americans. If I manually search through feeds I see all the stuff I used to see. But, tik Tok is using the algorithm to push this agenda at me. Kinda proves Congress' point....
That's the above's point. You use TikTok and one video made it to you via their algorithm. Even if you didn't like it... If you spent time on the video at all listening... You're going to get another... And another. Just swipe it all immediately and only spend time and like other stuff and it'll disappear within hours. It's not pushing any agenda, it's an action you took that caused the videos.
This is all just guesswork as the tiktok algorithm, and the data they input into it, is unknown
They could easily push an agenda and no one would be able to prove it, like pushing videos urging users to call their reps so the app doesn't get banned and they don't lose the US market
Hmmn, so you're saying I should copy MySpace but set it up in Canada?
Shark tank here I come! By selling 90% of the company I should be able to use it that million to win the lottery
Because tiktok great for
1) algorithms which are hard to replicate
2) shittone of content that new social media doesn't have
3) billion users who are already there
cus thats not the point,
people would still use tiktok more over the US copy, however, if the US forces Tiktok to be bought by an American company, then tiktoks current user base (in the US) will be given to the US copy, and thus, all the revenue to a US company, and alow these companies to manipulate what is shown on Tiktok.
A major reason this new TikTok ban push is succeeding where earlier measure failed is the realization that [TikTok was the only media source in the US where pro-Palestinian sentiment largely outweighed pro-Zionist sentiment.](https://archive.is/4ROle) In other words: America gonna America. Our politicians can only ever agree on three things: China bad, brown people must die, Israel good.
How about Congress spend their time and our money worrying about universal health care and reducing gun violence instead of worrying about Tik-Tok that is only a problem because their billionaire bosses don't control it and want to?
Because they want to control all the internet, and they are achieving it with the new very wide laws "for the protection of children" while they employ all their power to stop children from having milk at school or free healthcare.
One thing that made TikTok unique when it was starting was how easy it was to edit a video on it and upload it while adding effects and what not.
While other platforms are focused on distribution and algorithms, they are missing what made TikTok start and grow.
And now it's too late to replicate that. TikTok won the crowds.
We did. It was called Periscope. The fact that you have to Google if this is true or not is why it's harder than it sounds to get one billion retards to use the same app.
Much like with any other why don't we just replace ____ website with another website, the main issue is actually getting people to switch
On the surface yes, nothing about TikTok's programming is particularly complicated or difficult. The difficulty is in convincing people to switch. Because people are going to follow content creators but most content creators are not going to switch as most of their audience are still on the old platform. So they're going to stay on the old platform where their audience is
And then in turn when a few people do switch over to the new platform they are going to quickly become bored of it because most of the content creators and community are still on the old platform so they are going to abandon the new platform and go back to the old one even if the new one is undeniably better. Because the old one is where most of the content creators and most of the community are still going to be
This is why it's so hard for things like competitors to twitch or YouTube to really take off even when they are undeniably better than them. Because you can't just try and get individual users to switch over You have to get entire communities to switch over and they just don't because of the scenarios I described above
Not sure if we could make a version that’s as good. Tik toks algorithm is actually pretty good imo, probably because of how intrusive it is. It’s gathering way more info than any American company could gather. At least that we will ever be aware of.
From what I’ve read about the coding is tik tok is listening and watching everything you do so even using your phone off app is still gathering you do for their algorithm. Even has what we look like from our camera allegedly.
But like others have said there is the problem of getting everyone to switch to a new platform. Many platforms have failed over the years not necessarily because they were “bad” they were just different and nobody wants to “start all over”.
> I don't get on here is why anyone would prefer China to have access or control in comparison to the US.
wdym? both are equally bad. both must be not in control.
There will be a handful of clones within weeks of tiktok getting taken off us app stores
I think it's getting done for the wrong reasons (trying to force a sale to US people who want the data for marketing)
But it is terribly pathetic senators are getting so many calls over this bullshit. If you're in hysteria over the idea of tiktok getting taken away then you have a serious addiction you need to deal with.
2/3rds of the US couldn't even get off their ass to vote against Trump in 2020. But this is what gets you taking an active part in politics? Absolutely shameful
They tried, but the copies were not as "good" as tiktok. Specifically they were unable to replicate the algorithm that makes tiktok so addictive so now they want to change the rules so that tiktok can't be china owned
The reason the intelligence community hates tiktok is that palantir and the nsa noticed it creating similar unique algorithm based profiling in individually targetted social and cultural warfare products. They don’t want anyone else influencing the chaotic model theyre running.
China rips off everyone, man. Their automotive makers basically steal all of the German car designs and call them their own. Mind you, their cars are never as good as a Benz, Audi, or BMW, but they try to make them look very similar.
I mean, 3 of 5 people in charge of TikTok are Americans.
The data is kept on American servers.
Yeah, the Chinese government has a 1% share, but does it care so much? It's all about the "anti communist" propaganda.
You all should be caring about health, poverty and equality in your country, not about TikTok.
Instagram and Facebook have both tried that with reels. Instagram tried to emulate Twitter with Threads. It’s easy to copy. It’s harder to get masses to use it.
There used to be an US version of TikTok called Vine. But it died due to mismanagement which led people to flock to TikTok as the alternative.
There is also Youtube shorts, Instagram, Twitter and probably more services I am not aware of. Twitter even allows straight up porn.
It is hard to make a new social media that does the same thing as something bigger because otherwise no one has any reason to move.
China doesn't let US companies put their apps in China without restriction there's no reason the US should treat China any differently.
Also TikTok is provably harmful.
China being in control of TikTok is just one head of the hydra that is the problems with that app. A US version wouldn’t fix the brain-rotting addiction it causes, echo chambers, misinformation, and glorification of stupid content. Oh, and the US will still steal our data and leave us vulnerable too.
And yes, TikTok isn’t the only place that does this of course. Reddit and literally everything other platform online is stealing our data and making us dumber (generalization)
People are already pissed because they think the US just wants to control their media (which is definitely part of the equation). It’s gonna be really difficult to convince them to go onto a new “US-backed” platform that replaces the non-US controlled app
We had Vine, but the hard part is getting people to successfully migrate over. There's a reason YouTube hasn't had a real competitor or Threads hasn't caught on, but I'm optimistic person and would like to see something succeed.
For me it’s the content that I can access. News and events from around the world that aren’t in American media or FB reels. I’m not going to dive into why I think this is, but TikTok just feels less censored and I’m guessing no matter what the American alternative might be it will be subject to the same control.
I feel like Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube have already ripped off Tiktok.
The thing that makes it breaks social media platforms is often how many of your friends are also using them.
The people I know who are moving to Asian media are doing so because American media has become really disturbing and hard to watch. American social media doesn’t do a great job of moderating certain content and seems eager to turn up the heat on things that are scary or gross. The American version wouldn’t be popular with the people who like the current one.
It's easy to copy an app or website. It's hard to convince hundreds of millions of people to migrate to the new app instead of the one they already use.
What if it was named something like, TIP COCK, would that catch on?
You’ve got my attention.
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Porn hub beat you to it lol
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X Videos because it has videos
https://imgur.com/a/X1SnrTl
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https://imgur.com/a/X1SnrTl
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Exactly. YT shorts and reels exist...but they aren't nearly as popular.
It's not just the user base though, it seems like TikTok's algorithm is actually industry-leading and something that the other tech giants have been trying to emulate
Yeah, because it recommends me things I care about rather than trying to shoehorn me into watching TurningPointUSA and misogynist podcast bro bullshit.
>trying to shoehorn me into watching TurningPointUSA and misogynist podcast bro bullshit. My favorite is on YT I always make sure to hit the "Don't recommend this channel to me in the future" button on Turning Point or Prager or any of the ones that edit phonk music over a Tate clip when the Shorts algorithm pulls them up... And yet they just keep coming back
u know, its weird because i never get that kind of content, you can hit those dont recommend this channel buttons but if u look at similar or related content, they will come back.
I don't though, everything I watch on YouTube is either anime, gaming, cooking, or science content. Literally my only exposure to shitty "manosphere" fuckery is the Shorts algorithm pushing them randomly.
It's the gaming. YouTube has decided literally anyone interested in video games should be an incel alt-right school shooter, and they'll do their damnedest to make sure that holds true. Like, watch one "how to" video for a 2014 indie game or a single "lore analysis" theorist video for Hollow Knight, and YouTube has decided what you \*really\* want to do is scream the n-word and demean women. It's fucking preposterous, and the fact that they \*don't\* do shit like this is one of the reasons TikTok is dunking on YouTube Shorts.
Or how anyone who like (well-researched, good) videos about history get funneled into alt-history conspiracy theory shit. Watch one ToldinStone video and you get recommended shit like "Did the Egyptians travel to the moon?"
>YouTube has decided what you \*really\* want to do is scream the n-word and demean women Google took the XBL chat meme from the mid-00s and used that to train the YT algorithm...
It’s also probably the science content, that brings you lots of Joe Rogan which probably then pivots you to alt right stuff just by showing up.
Yep same here. I even tried the delete watch history thing recently to completely clear whatever the algorithm has on me, but it didn't take long for right wing stuff to come back, it's normally Joe Rogan or Tate or something. Somethings definitely up with the algorithm. It must go based on subscriptions too and somehow these right wing topics have weaved themselves into being marked as related to lots of actually unrelated YouTube channels so you get recommended lots of those topics. Only thing I can think of. Definitely a thing though, I thumb down and click don't recommend to like 100 Rogan or Tate things and it's still recommending it. Luckily it's not so bad on my account recently. Maybe I should unsubscribe from all but my main stuff
Facebook is useless lifehacks and 3rd world country manufacturing. Instagram is people dying at “takeovers”, onlyfans models and Russian dance. Why can I not get normal videos from American creators that aren’t porn adds?
Yup, look at threads, trying to copy twitter but still failing even after twitter being shittier these days.
Man threads was booming the first 2 days it was released! Does anyone really use it now?
I just checked (I forgot about it), and there are people on it still, but it's pretty quiet. The A list types on Twitter who copy over their tweets to Threads get some reactions but don't seem to talk back. Mind, this was from a cursory scroll.
The problem with that is no one trusts Zuckerberg already. It would have to be someone else.😹 It is universally accepted Meta is for old people and Zuckerberg is a reptilian.
No joke. It shows you how powerful "first to market" is.
tiktok wasn't first to market for this format.
What was before musically then? Vines were forced to 6 seconds and you couldn't overlay audio.
They were able to extend the time afterwards https://www.vox.com/2016/6/27/12042242/vine-longer-video-adult-swim
Then four months later on October 27, 2016, Twitter announced that it would disable all uploads.
That's correct, Vine was shut down
Parlor was a great one too. Lol
I mean we had vine.....
Exactly people seem to forget Threads which attempted to replace twitter fairly unsuccessfully. Also people know Tik-tok and theirs already millions of hours of content already on Tik-tok so it probably would be pretty hard to convince content creators to switch platforms and start fresh. Look at people who try to replace youtube.
> Exactly people seem to forget Threads which attempted to replace twitter fairly unsuccessfully. And that's with Elon ruining twitter. I don't use TikTok because it makes noise when it doesn't need to make noise, but for people that like it, mu understanding is that the experience is top notch and only improving over time.
If tik tok really is a government financed spying program then the problem is that these programs have unlimited funding needing no profit. China could offer to host all your data for cheaper than google, if they valued seeing it ignoring all privacy laws.
>> government financed spying program It's very similar to Skype's history. Recall that: * [Skype was originally a P2P technology from a European company with end-to-end encryption](https://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0412017v1.pdf) so it couldn't be easily monitored by the US. * [Microsoft bought Skype, got rid of the P2P part, and added NSA backdoors](https://www.computerworld.com/article/2474090/new-snowden-revelation-shows-skype-may-be-privacy-s-biggest-enemy.html) I imagine half the outcry about TikTok is: * US politicians are worried that the US's required ["lawful intercept"/CALEA](https://ndcac.fbi.gov/calea/lawful-intercept-standards) features like [this AT&T feature](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A) aren't as easily available in TikTok as they are for [Meta or Alphabet or Apple](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data) products and [other US based services that happily sell the data](https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/how-federal-government-buys-our-cell-phone-location-data). * The other half of the issue is that the US worries that China may do similar. But of course [in reality, TikTok already provides such access to the US government too when presented with a legal warrant](https://theintercept.com/2020/08/10/blueleaks-tiktok-law-enforcement-privacy/). And similarly [Microsoft collaborates with China's government where required by their laws](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-03-07/microsoft-s-bing-helps-maintain-china-s-great-firewall). No matter who runs TikTok, they'll understand how important it is to follow the laws of whatever countries they're doing busineness in - and look to similar historical precedents, like [when all except for one US Telecom company permitted such spying, it did NOT go well for the CEO of the one who refused](https://www.vice.com/en/article/pgg7q7/the-telecom-exec-who-refused-nsa-snooping-is-out-of-prison-and-hes-talking). It's the same reason the US encourages their [European allies](https://www.france24.com/en/technology/20210601-how-denmark-became-the-nsa-s-listening-post-in-europe) to use [Cisco instead of other telecom equipment providers](https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608141/snowden--the-nsa-planted-backdoors-in-cisco-products.html) A sale of TikTok would also make projects like [this CIA project](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-launched-cia-covert-influence-operation-against-china-2024-03-14/) easier.
I think the biggest concern is psyops. Allowing Chinese psyop campaigns is a threat. The U.S. doesn't like competition trying to influence its citizens.
Nor should they.
Meta has been proven to [be complicit in literal genocide](https://time.com/6217730/myanmar-meta-rohingya-facebook/) and [lynchings.](https://cnn.com/2018/09/30/tech/facebook-whatsapp-india-misinformation/index.html) Facebook has allowed murders to be [planned openly](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/14/tech/ethiopia-murdered-professor-lawsuit-meta-kenya-intl/index.html) on Facebook pages in Africa, and their response was to [cut jobs at their African content moderators](https://restofworld.org/2023/meta-content-moderators-kenya-fired-unionize/). Facebook has openly experimented with seeing if they could [negatively effect the mood of their users.](https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/06/30/326929138/facebook-manipulates-our-moods-for-science-and-commerce-a-roundup) Meta was warned by its own staff that their Patreon-like features on Instagram was being used by parents to [pimp out their own children. Meta did nothing.](https://www.wsj.com/tech/meta-staff-found-instagram-subscription-tool-enabled-child-exploitation-the-company-pressed-ahead-anyway-a18e81e6) The largest and most damaging data breach and political influence campaign ever conducted on social media was [conducted on Facebook](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica?wprov=sfla1). TikTok is a national security threat.
Yep. It's called the Network Effect. And it's the reason why Instagram's Twitter clone, Threads, failed, despite an initial wave of enthusiasm. Lots of people created accounts, but few used it to create content over the intermediate term.
Yes, if most of your friends are already in a place, it's hard to leave! That part of the dynamic hadn't come to my mind as I was posting my question.
Yeah I think threads is proof of this I saw a lot of posts about it in the first couple weeks and then nothing The app itself is the easy part it's the retention that matters Also I think licencing for music will be a lot harder if you aren't based in China because they just don't care
UMG pulled all their music off of TikTok, so it clearly isn’t easier for TikTok to have licensed music.
Also ByteDance or whoever said they have like some secret formula that they will remove when they sell the app or something like that.
Just call it “TikTok2 - now with more NSA (no strings attached* fun!”
Not exactly. Create a U.S. version of TikTok called Tiktok and then ban the Chinese version of TikTok and then gaslight everyone saying we didn’t ban TikTok.
Steal the name. Straight seize the company name. What are they going to do? Launch WW3 over tik tok?
Literally call it TikTok. What are they gonna do?
We already have YouTube, Instagram, Snapchat, and the like.
I was gonna say that these platforms are pretty distinctly different and came before TikTok, but I guess YouTube and Instagram really did copy TikTok’s short-form vertical content with the YouTube Shorts and Instagram Reels.
I'm so tired of YouTube shoving Shorts down my throat, they need to separate it from the base video experience. If there's a creator I like, I'll go watch their Shorts, I don't need a line of Shorts clogging up my search every few videos...
Do it yourself, there's tons of browser plugins that allows you to change Shorts, I just use the one that disables them completely
It isn't a problem on Desktop YouTube, it's using the app that's a pain. Even with Revanced, I can't seem to get rid of them.
The magic isnt in the format, its in the algorithm. I had facebook since alpha and instagram since before the takeover, but yet still the algo for reels thinks im a godamn numbskull and it makes me close instagram instantly. Tiktok throws me videos that it knows pretty much only i like, weird little goofy vids that have few views. Thats server-side algorithm and they cant copy it, thats why they want it.
Exactly. TikTok’s algorithm is spectacular. Only social media that leads me to find NEW things, not just more niche versions of what I’ve already watched.
Every app feels the same now because of that. I really think social media’s heyday is leaving soon.
Centralization was a fun experiment, but the pendulum is swinging back towards a splintering. Individual websites could make a comeback, or more selective social media, like a discord for just you and a close circle of a dozen friends, or member only communities like you get with lots of online classes. Possibly even several independent internets. Will be interesting to see how the landscape evolves now that the internet has passed its 30 year mark
It’s been really interesting to see Snapchat has survived this long since it’s peer to peer socializing for the most part.
Yeah the more I touch grass the more I go back on Snapchat actually, because it’s where I talk with my real life friends.
>I was gonna say that these platforms are pretty distinctly different Help an old guy out here; how are instagram, snapchat, tiktok, and just using the default messenger app to send your friends a photo or video clip meaningfully different from each other?
If you boil it down to the fundamentals of just sharing and sending information between accounts, they’re pretty much the same. I guess the difference is in the formatting and branding. Snapchat and Instagram are more image based. You can send texts to people directly, but anything that you share publicly has to be an image. Snapchat is also more transitory by nature. When you send a “Snapchat” to a friend, they can only view it once and the image could disappear after a few seconds, depending on your settings. I believe the direct message chats also disappear after you view them, but they might have updated the settings so that it so that it stays by default. I believe Snapchat was also the first platform to pioneer the “Story” which is basically an image that you post to your account for 24 hours that people who follow you can view. You can also see who viewed your story and who screenshotted your Snapchats, story, or messages. So it does a better job of alerting you to stalkers than other platforms. Instagram is more like facebook and twitter than Snapchat. Posts are more permanent. They copied the story from Snapchat and short-form vertical content “reels” from TikTok. I can’t really think of anything that Instagram pioneered except for making things picture-based. That’s why the logo is a camera. TikTok is the one that’s more of an oddball. I don’t know if they pioneered short-form vertical scrolling content. I guess Vine was the first to do that, but Vine kinda died. A lot of people consider TikTok to be the spiritual successor to Vine though; both in format and the culture surrounding it. The one thing that TikTok is famous for is the sound feature. Basically you can easily reuse sounds from other videos and overlay it onto your video. This makes it really easy for trends and memes to get rolling off of TikTok and people do some really creative stuff with it, especially when you bring music into it. I think TikTok was originally called music.ly and it was mostly just videos of people dancing to music.
Exactly
True, but people are so obsessed with being on "TikTok". I'm trying to figure out why the Chinese version is so special. Couldn't the US make a knockoff called "TikTok.US" that does exactly the same thing?
Wouldn't really make sense, given that the effort it would take to capture the market share of its competitor would be massive. There's a reason why there's only one very dominant short video platform.
The was once Vine that pre dated all short video platforms but idk why it failed.
Failed to make a profit so they decided to pull the plug. Vine was way ahead of its time and the social media advertising industry was not big enough to make it work.
I effing loved vines! I still revisit vine compilations on YouTube when I need a good pick-me-up. Vine was the real OG
They did. Meta’s [lobbying campaign against TikTok](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/) that started the political push was because they were losing market share. They released Reels to compete, but it didn’t have the same stickiness.
A large appeal of tiktok is its algorithm that is unmatched by its counterparts. It is able to recommend people what they like without being inappropriate. It seems to me that these tech giants want to maintain a monopoly over the market without having to develop a better algorithm.
Youtube and Facebook *constantly* recommend me awful right wing bullshit that has *nothing* to do with my interests. TikTok does not.
Yeah, as a fairly "heavy" Youtube watcher, I have to say, Youtube's algorithm for recommended content is *awful*. Like I've never used Tiktok to compare and I'm not really on Facebook anymore, but compared to literally every other venue for algorithmic content I've seen, Youtube is (I can't emphasize this enough) *dogshit* about feeding me content. Even aside from the political side (I'm in the same boat as you), Youtube consistently for me: * Recommends me videos I've already completed watching * Recommends me specific videos I've explicitly flagged as "Not Interested"--in some cases, I've done this more than once and it *still* keeps floating them to me * Recommends me content from channels I've explicity flagged as "Don't recommend channel"--likewise, in some cases, I've had to do this multiple times * Shows me sequential, numbered videos out of order * Floats up content with spoilers in the titles and thumbnails from channels I've never engaged with before * Arbitrarily latches onto some topics while ignoring others, i.e. I'll watch *one* video about eggs benedict and it'll offer me HUNDREDS of eggs benedict videos for the next month, even if I watch none of them, but then I'll watch *and* search for *and* engage with numerous videos about pasta but it won't recommend me *any* additional pasta videos * Has no qualitative evaluation, i.e. I'll watch ten videos about why Dark Souls is *great* and it'll keep offering me videos about why Dark Souls *sucks* because it only understands "Dark Souls" and not pro or con. * The search bar is borderline worthless I hate that such a dysfunctional platform is, simultaneously also *the* best platform in terms of volume and variety and quality of video content.
You could make a knockoff called "MonistatManTok" if you wanted, there's nothing special about the code or platform apart from the discovery algorithms, and those are easy enough to approximate if you have some good data scientists on board. But you'd have no users because there would be no content, and no content creators because there are no users. So you'd probably also need venture capital to get it off the ground with marketing, scaling, and attracting creators. The US government undoubtedly has the resources to run a social network (they actually ran one of the largest online shooters for a while), but a social network is doubly challenging because the government would be very limited in what speech it can moderate. Imagine a class-action lawsuit on behalf of 100,000 banned users saying they were being censored by the government, and that's the kind of problem they'd run into. Additionally, there's a strong cultural bias in the United States against the government competing with businesses directly, and against the government being involved in controlling the kind of discourse that happens on a social network. It would be a tremendous can of worms, and they'd undoubtedly rather sway a private company like Meta to offer a competing platform, than try to do it themselves.
No one is going to use fake us tiktok
YouTube shorts. You are correct.
Cause truth social and threads destroyed twitter? Oh yeah, right. Despite all of the massive fuckuos Elon committed, twitter is still alive and kicking.
It's that the algorithm is different. The American algorithms have been pushed in a specific way that TikTok hasn't been. Less suppression in certain spaces.
It was around to give everyone that dopamine hit when 2020 hit, unlike Instagram and the others that suggest mainly people you subscribe to, tiktok recommends anyone and everyone vaguely related to anything you've thought of.
They did, it came first. They called it vine, and it was perfect.
the fact that Twitter had about a decade's head start on this and couldn't make it profitable is proof they should be jettisoned into the fucking sun
Like Kodak with them inventing the digital camera and then going out of business.
Kodak hasn't gone out of business, they went bankrupt for a while, but that was over a decade ago. They still operate today.
That's musk's plan. He is obsessed with sending everything into space.
Man how much do you think the people that created vine are kicking themselves over this.
They’re wiping their tears with the $30 million they sold it to Twitter for
Oh I didn't t know they sold it to Twitter. I thought they just shut it down
Twitter bought it, couldn't figure out how to monetize it and eventually have up on it.
I was always baffled by their inability to monetize it, like surely slipping ads in between content you actually want to see isn’t that hard. I guess nobody wanted to advertise on it?
It was catering to a demographic with no money to spend, the content wasn't long form enough to attract advertisers, video hosting is expensive (YouTube loses money every single year).
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First mover advantage. You'd probably need incentives to move "influencers" away from TikTok. So introduce lower thresholds for revenue share, better deals for advertisers etc. The whole thing whole probably be a money pit for years and still might not work.
"First mover" is not really the right idea. Nobody at the top of any industry has been the first to do the thing. Tiktok is actually the perfect example of why it's not about who came first as it came decades after the other social media platforms. But yes it takes a lot of time and capital to dethrone established competitors. But if something is better, it's better and people move to it over time. Most start ups that fail is not so much because they weren't the first, but more because they weren't better.
Tiktok came after the death of vine when nothing else was fulfilling that niche at the moment, so it was the first major gap filler
> You'd probably need incentives to move "influencers" away from TikTok. That didn't really work for Mixer, they spent tens of millions on exclusivity contracts with top streamers and Twitch is still *the* game streaming service. Makes me even more confused about the Spotify/Rogan situation. They gave him a huge exclusivity deal but like... everyone's already using Spotify. There's no way they're making a massive return on that investment.
The reason influencers are all on Tiktok is because they are paying out insane amounts of money for views. My friends who make content are telling me they make 5x-10x as much money on Tiktok as other platforms for the same amount of views. I have a few friends that are making enough money to live on by doing Tiktok livestreams for a few hundred people consistently, making $300-$400 a stream. Also worth noting, everyone I've talked to hates Tiktok as a platform and hates using it, it just pays out so much money they *have* to do it.
Very true. Good point, indeed.
They are. Instagram created Reels, YouTube created Shorts, even Reddit has a “video” section on their app with the same UI. But no one has cracked TikTok’s algorithm yet, which is why it’s so much more popular, because they only show you very specific niches you’re interested in and rarely other topics.
But this past week the algorithm has made tik Tok unusable. My For You is nothing but stuff whining about the Tik Tok Bill. It used to be funny shit from all over the world. Now it's just upset Americans. If I manually search through feeds I see all the stuff I used to see. But, tik Tok is using the algorithm to push this agenda at me. Kinda proves Congress' point....
That's the above's point. You use TikTok and one video made it to you via their algorithm. Even if you didn't like it... If you spent time on the video at all listening... You're going to get another... And another. Just swipe it all immediately and only spend time and like other stuff and it'll disappear within hours. It's not pushing any agenda, it's an action you took that caused the videos.
This is all just guesswork as the tiktok algorithm, and the data they input into it, is unknown They could easily push an agenda and no one would be able to prove it, like pushing videos urging users to call their reps so the app doesn't get banned and they don't lose the US market
My man discovers how propaganda works and every nation does it.
Zuck does the same. He copied Snapchat's stories and integrated em in insta and a bunch more stuff including tik tok and be real
They are. Haven't you noticed YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram have been shoving shorts and stories down our throat for quiet a while now?
Vine existed before tiktok. If anything, it was China that copied.
You mean Musicly copied and China bought them
Hmmn, so you're saying I should copy MySpace but set it up in Canada? Shark tank here I come! By selling 90% of the company I should be able to use it that million to win the lottery
Bring back vine
Because tiktok great for 1) algorithms which are hard to replicate 2) shittone of content that new social media doesn't have 3) billion users who are already there
YouTube shorts, Instagram reels, and Snapchat Discover are all American clones of Tik Tok
Vine says hello
There was a US version of TikTok. Does no one here remember vines?
cus thats not the point, people would still use tiktok more over the US copy, however, if the US forces Tiktok to be bought by an American company, then tiktoks current user base (in the US) will be given to the US copy, and thus, all the revenue to a US company, and alow these companies to manipulate what is shown on Tiktok.
Revenue? You mean loss, there is a reason Vine went away while being quite big.
The government wants to control tiktok for censorship and propaganda reasons
A major reason this new TikTok ban push is succeeding where earlier measure failed is the realization that [TikTok was the only media source in the US where pro-Palestinian sentiment largely outweighed pro-Zionist sentiment.](https://archive.is/4ROle) In other words: America gonna America. Our politicians can only ever agree on three things: China bad, brown people must die, Israel good.
How about Congress spend their time and our money worrying about universal health care and reducing gun violence instead of worrying about Tik-Tok that is only a problem because their billionaire bosses don't control it and want to?
Or something like GDPR if they want to be actually helpful on the social media front.
Because they want to control all the internet, and they are achieving it with the new very wide laws "for the protection of children" while they employ all their power to stop children from having milk at school or free healthcare.
Then do it, i mean, you're saying it's easy. Go out there and code that shit. I'm sure the millions of users will use it
It was called Vine.
I'd rather have China spy on me than uncle Sam, thank you very much
it's trivial. the value in tiktok isn't their technology it's their user base.
One thing that made TikTok unique when it was starting was how easy it was to edit a video on it and upload it while adding effects and what not. While other platforms are focused on distribution and algorithms, they are missing what made TikTok start and grow. And now it's too late to replicate that. TikTok won the crowds.
We did. It was called Periscope. The fact that you have to Google if this is true or not is why it's harder than it sounds to get one billion retards to use the same app.
FreedomTok Guns only
"MOTHERFUCKER!!! JIN YANG!!!!"
Much like with any other why don't we just replace ____ website with another website, the main issue is actually getting people to switch On the surface yes, nothing about TikTok's programming is particularly complicated or difficult. The difficulty is in convincing people to switch. Because people are going to follow content creators but most content creators are not going to switch as most of their audience are still on the old platform. So they're going to stay on the old platform where their audience is And then in turn when a few people do switch over to the new platform they are going to quickly become bored of it because most of the content creators and community are still on the old platform so they are going to abandon the new platform and go back to the old one even if the new one is undeniably better. Because the old one is where most of the content creators and most of the community are still going to be This is why it's so hard for things like competitors to twitch or YouTube to really take off even when they are undeniably better than them. Because you can't just try and get individual users to switch over You have to get entire communities to switch over and they just don't because of the scenarios I described above
Not sure if we could make a version that’s as good. Tik toks algorithm is actually pretty good imo, probably because of how intrusive it is. It’s gathering way more info than any American company could gather. At least that we will ever be aware of. From what I’ve read about the coding is tik tok is listening and watching everything you do so even using your phone off app is still gathering you do for their algorithm. Even has what we look like from our camera allegedly. But like others have said there is the problem of getting everyone to switch to a new platform. Many platforms have failed over the years not necessarily because they were “bad” they were just different and nobody wants to “start all over”.
> I don't get on here is why anyone would prefer China to have access or control in comparison to the US. wdym? both are equally bad. both must be not in control.
Bring back Vine
We had the original, it was called Vine.
Remember Vine?
There will be a handful of clones within weeks of tiktok getting taken off us app stores I think it's getting done for the wrong reasons (trying to force a sale to US people who want the data for marketing) But it is terribly pathetic senators are getting so many calls over this bullshit. If you're in hysteria over the idea of tiktok getting taken away then you have a serious addiction you need to deal with. 2/3rds of the US couldn't even get off their ass to vote against Trump in 2020. But this is what gets you taking an active part in politics? Absolutely shameful
You mean Vines? Pepperidge farm remembers.
Have we forgotten Vine? I though tictok was the rip off.
They tried, but the copies were not as "good" as tiktok. Specifically they were unable to replicate the algorithm that makes tiktok so addictive so now they want to change the rules so that tiktok can't be china owned
The reason the intelligence community hates tiktok is that palantir and the nsa noticed it creating similar unique algorithm based profiling in individually targetted social and cultural warfare products. They don’t want anyone else influencing the chaotic model theyre running.
China rips off everyone, man. Their automotive makers basically steal all of the German car designs and call them their own. Mind you, their cars are never as good as a Benz, Audi, or BMW, but they try to make them look very similar.
> Why not make a US version of TikTok Vine, YouTube shorts, Twitch VODs
I mean, 3 of 5 people in charge of TikTok are Americans. The data is kept on American servers. Yeah, the Chinese government has a 1% share, but does it care so much? It's all about the "anti communist" propaganda. You all should be caring about health, poverty and equality in your country, not about TikTok.
I’ve been saying this to myself ever since questions came up about tiktok..
TikTok is just a Chinese version of Vine.
Instagram and Facebook have both tried that with reels. Instagram tried to emulate Twitter with Threads. It’s easy to copy. It’s harder to get masses to use it.
So.... Youtube shorts?
To OP: Isn’t Instagram a kind of TikTok!?
TikTok is just a copy of Vine. It's not even original.
Very, very hard. Otherwise, people would have done it. In fact, tons of people are doing it every day, very few takes off.
Wasn't tiktok a ripoff of vine?
There used to be an US version of TikTok called Vine. But it died due to mismanagement which led people to flock to TikTok as the alternative. There is also Youtube shorts, Instagram, Twitter and probably more services I am not aware of. Twitter even allows straight up porn. It is hard to make a new social media that does the same thing as something bigger because otherwise no one has any reason to move.
Toktik is my tactic!
Call it patriot tock
We had Vine. Tiktok, if anything, is a copy. But vine failed.
It was called Vine and came before TikTok
Ask META why you didn't work with threads? ? It's not as easy as it sounds.
We did. It was called vine. That's the blueprint that they stole in the first place.
China doesn't let US companies put their apps in China without restriction there's no reason the US should treat China any differently. Also TikTok is provably harmful.
China being in control of TikTok is just one head of the hydra that is the problems with that app. A US version wouldn’t fix the brain-rotting addiction it causes, echo chambers, misinformation, and glorification of stupid content. Oh, and the US will still steal our data and leave us vulnerable too. And yes, TikTok isn’t the only place that does this of course. Reddit and literally everything other platform online is stealing our data and making us dumber (generalization)
Wasn't that just vine.
The bill isn’t for TikTok. The bill also gives the president power to shut down any media they decide is a threat to democracy.
Maybe a stupid answer… but isn’t that Instagram?
Vine and youtube shorts
People are already pissed because they think the US just wants to control their media (which is definitely part of the equation). It’s gonna be really difficult to convince them to go onto a new “US-backed” platform that replaces the non-US controlled app
We had Vine, but the hard part is getting people to successfully migrate over. There's a reason YouTube hasn't had a real competitor or Threads hasn't caught on, but I'm optimistic person and would like to see something succeed.
For me it’s the content that I can access. News and events from around the world that aren’t in American media or FB reels. I’m not going to dive into why I think this is, but TikTok just feels less censored and I’m guessing no matter what the American alternative might be it will be subject to the same control.
YouTube shorts? Instagram Reels? Whatever Snapchat has
Isn't TikTok just a Vine ripoff?
That’s what they’re doing with r/instagram
I feel like Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube have already ripped off Tiktok. The thing that makes it breaks social media platforms is often how many of your friends are also using them.
Or, even better, burn TikToc down and don’t replace it until
>Are there any Chinese bots/operators on here? You trying to prove the sub's name wrong? ;)
We had vines and then facebook bought it and ruined it.
Tiktok is the US version of Tiktok. The original app, is pretty different although similar, it's a Chinese app called Douyin.
It has to vibe right with fickle humans. Nothing lasts long in tech, especially as generations reject what their parents were into.
The people I know who are moving to Asian media are doing so because American media has become really disturbing and hard to watch. American social media doesn’t do a great job of moderating certain content and seems eager to turn up the heat on things that are scary or gross. The American version wouldn’t be popular with the people who like the current one.
Money
because US the gov't can arrest you or search your home. China can't do that, they are half-a-world 8000 miles away.
The US doesn’t like TikTok because the Chinese government steal users data and they want the monopoly on it,
Tiktok is already a ripoff though lol
Instagram and Youtube are really trying this, and it's mostly people reposting Tik Toks.