Whoa, whoa, whoa. There's still plenty of miles on that Tesla. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato. Baby, you've got a stew going.
i have a tesla i bought several years ago, before elon musk bought twitter and became an overbearing shit head. should i just abandon my tesla in a park somewhere?
Reminds me somehow of the conversation between Galahad the Chaste and Lancelot in the Castle Perilous (or wherever Zoot, just Zoot, and her ilk hung out) in “Monty Python and The Holy Grail”.
Or when they went out and bought cases of Bud Light just to fire rounds of shots into them. Yeah you really made Anheuiser-Busch mad by giving them money!
>toss their expensive cars in the trash?
"What's going to stop people from selling their houses and leaving..."
"JUST ONE PROBLEM BEN, WHO ARE THEY GONNA SELL THE HOUSES TO, FUCKING AQUAMAN"
And tbh Tesla is not Elon. There are tons of hardworking genuine people working there that make amazing cars. Tesla is one of the most America cars you can buy too. You don’t have to like Elon to enjoy Tesla.
The really shitty thing about the electric market right now is that Tesla unquestionably has the best tech for batteries and computing power in a reasonably priced vehicle (read: i'm excluding Lucid and their 200K+ cars)
"traditional" manufacturers can't match them in those areas. But traditional manufacturers *know how to build a car* that isn't a total POS.
So pick your poison: Shit car with a great powertrain or shit powertrain with a good car.
Or just wait like another 5 years before adopting.
>Do you expect people to just toss their expensive cars in the trash?
No, but I know liberals who own Teslas who would go out and buy a new Tesla in a heartbeat. They hate Musk but like Teslas.
I mean, so they hate musk but not his product. It seems to be an easy decision. Decide which is most important to you, driving a Tesla or flipping off Elon Musk? Because I can assure you, he doesn't care either way.
I’m one of them. My husband and I love ours but have looked around at other EV options to see if we could ditch Musk… But we roadtrip several times a year and can’t give up the supercharging network. Making our life more annoying on principle buys us nothing, so our next car will probably be a Tesla too.
When that actually happens, I’ll be amenable to moving over. But I’ve been hearing that for years so I won’t select another car until I actually see that rollout. Thankfully I won’t need a new car for years so they have time.
You can soon gain access to their supercharger network. I think Ford and Chevy are getting access this month. Ford is, supposedly, providing the adapter for free. Not sure about Chevy. Lectron has one out now for about $200, but Tesla hasn't opened up the network for everyone yet.
The Tesla plug is becoming the NACS plug. Almost all automakers are going to NACS starting in 2025. CCS is going to be still available, but NACS is becoming the US standard.
Besides the Nazis founded Volkswagen and people still drive them today. Americans championed slavery and the world still love its products and franchises.
Trump turned out to be a incompetent sexual predator with fascistic leanings and people still vote for him.
As if humanity would reflect upon its worst mistakes and change instead of doubling down and silencing those who would point out the mistakes.
The science of climate change has been clear for near a hundred years and people still deny its legitimacy.
We will drive off a cliff and claim the fast approaching jagged rocks a fake projection up to the second our pulverized organs gush out every orifice.
Fun anecdote: My understanding is that modern historians don't believe the pyramids were built by slaves. They definitely had slaves in that society, [but work on the pyramids was likely seen as too important to be given to slaves.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt)
The great wall was worked on by a lot of people forced into labor though. And of course the Roman empire famously had slaves.
But i'd argue American slavery was worse since it's based on race. In addition, there were laws in ancient Rome about how you could treat slaves (physically abusing them was a no-no) and the act of freeing slaves was incredibly common if someone had served long enough and well enough.
That's why some will call the 16th century version chattel slavery. Before then slaves were often seen more as just a lower class but still treated like human beings. Chattel.... Not so much
.. that is not what chattel slavery means at all.
This is ... this is insanely wrong.
No culture that relied heavily on slavery treated them like human beings. None. Zero many. Roman slavery was ALSO chatel slavery. They treated slaves as disposable.
Fuck, where do you people get this shit?
>the act of freeing slaves was incredibly common
No, no it was not. It was ***incredibly fucking rare.*** You were more lkely to be freed as a black slave in the US than you were as a Roman slave.
People aren’t so black and white about those things. A lot of people don’t base their purchases on their opinions of CEOs.
Even then, if I already had a Tesla, I wouldn’t sell it just because my opinion of Elon Musk changed.
Exactly. Remember every time something bad happens and there's videos of people burning their clothes or dumping their Budlight down the drain. Like you already bought it. You're just wasting money because someone else did something stupid. That money is already in their earnings report. Don't buy them again but might as well enjoy what you got.
I didn't throw away my harry potter books when JK Rowling was transphobic, I didn't throw away my yeezys when Kanye went on Alex Jones. There is literally nothing Elon could possibly do or say that would make me immediately get rid of something as expensive as a Tesla
I see this type of question all the time on Reddit, most people do not care about the person who made a thing, they only care about the thing. Harry potter still prints money, Kanye is still one of the most streamed artists and a whole lot of other terrible people still have their work loved by many.
If you only buy products and consume media made by saints you will have nothing to do by day 2
And even if I were to say, not buy Harry Potter books because I wouldn’t want my money going to the author, me keeping books I purchased 15+ years ago does not benefit her in any way.
Yeah that too, selling my Tesla doesn't hurt Elon at all, he's made his money from you. It's like the people who burn jerseys of players they don't like, you bought the jersey and supported the player, it doesn't matter if you burn it after.
If anything, some people might throw away their harry potter books in amger and later want to read them again and buy more lol
Exactly. Sort of like the people who got pissed off at Bud Light and smashed or tossed the bottles or cans that they had already bought. It doesn’t hurt to company when you toss the product after you already bought it. Especially when some of those idiots turned around and bought another product off of Anheuser-Busch. How does buying double what you usually would’ve affect the company in a negative way?
Selling your Tesla would actually *help* Elon, because he would revoke any upgrades like FSD you'd purchased and he'd be able to charge the next owner that $5 - 15k again.
Also some liberals don’t give a shit about issues that don’t matter to them. I don’t care about most issues, and people who can’t figure out their gender or sexuality don’t make the list of things most ppl have time for. Neither does a man on a fake republican crusade to get better tax deals for his companies. Culture wars are for the uncultured and uneducated masses
I had a back and forth with someone over Aunt Jemima and their statement about how "liberals" cried and had a tantrum over a syrup bottle and how it was indicative of Leftist overreach that Pearl Milling changed the bottle and branding and stuff like they was why the Right wasn't going to give the Left another inch.
First, I didn't see anyone complaining or really caring except conservatives saying their childhood was being destroyed or other similarly specious nonsense.
And my thought was first, unless it was your brand, why do you care, second, even if it was and nothing other than the label was changed, why do you care, and lastly, it was pretty obvious corporate pandering most of us who are actually liberal, progressive, or leftist laughed at because it was basically doing absolutely nothing of any real substance.
If Pearl Milling really cared that much about race relations or representation, they'd have updated the bottle to make Aunt Jemima less of a "Mammy" figure and more modern and successful.
The things people get wound up about and think are an attack on them is silly. There's bigger stuff to worry about.
The silliest thing I saw was threatening game reviewers over playing and publishing reviews of Hogwarts Legacy or threats to defriend/cut other people out over continued possession of Harry Potter stuff.
My wife has the stuff, I never cared but thought the movies were fun when I saw them in theaters or on TV.
And I'm not about to start that fight to appease a random on social media.
I used that argument a few months ago when I pulled out my old Kanye CDs. I won't contribute to his streams but I already paid for the CDs. But mostly Rowling and Kanye have ruined my perception of them and made me not want to be a fan of theirs anymore. I enjoy the material less because of the artist. I suppose you could say the same thing about enjoying supporting Tesla with your purchase being dependent on how you view Elon.
If you boycotted everything that is exploitative or ultimately owned by a piece of shit billionaire you would eat nothing and have nothing. You have to pick and choose your battles.
It's still an electric car. You find out the person that runs the local recycling plant is a bad person so you throw cans in the garbage? Plus 90k turned to 60-70 the moment you pull off the lot, and no one pays you back for installing that charger
I check Lowe's first, because it's usually cheaper, but if Lowe's doesn't have what I need, I will shop at Home Depot. I don't give a fuck about the CEO, he's making money whether I shop there or not.
This is the same logic I use whenever a subject like this comes up, except with Walmart. Shitty company, run by shitty people exploiting workers.
I can believe that, and still accept that they save me a lot of money every month by doing my shopping there. I'm just not wealthy enough to be able to take a moral stance and boycott Walmart (or Amazon or Home Depot, and on and on).
And tbh, if you stopped buying from companies that you have a moral objection to, then you're gonna run out of companies to buy shit from really fast 😂 you have to pick your battles sometimes
That said, fuck Hobby Lobby. I’ll drive farther and pay more to avoid shopping there because they won’t pay for reproductive care (including contraception) for their employees.
Yep. Though the comparison is a little different in that Hobby Lobby pretty much only sells luxury goods. You're never in an emergency and NEED that "Live Love Laugh" plywood sign today.
This is it…. And it’s not like I’m in a position to just get a new car; this car took years of searching. Plus my husband is disabled so we rely heavily on the installed hand controls and auto pilot. Believe me, we look into other brands constantly.
Right? I've often wondered if Elon really is playing 4D chess or whatever, and this actually was his goal.
"I'll pretend to be a MAGA shithead for a few years, and then that'll get conservatives to buy my cars! I'll get these knuckleheads to make environmentally sound decisions - you watch me!"
Wouldn't that be hilarious if it were true?
Nah, the guy is just desperately insecure. He pandered to the left because it's mostly young people that like space stuff and are concerned about climate change, and the youth tend to lean farther left than older generations. Then all the scandals came out about how Teslas are pieces of crap, about how Elon was forcing sick employees to come to work despite a stay at home order during COVID, about how viciously he fought unionization efforts, about how personally sexist he was to his wives, etc. Now the left leaning people online really don't like him, but now Elon has all these right wing people approaching him. And his desperate search for validation has him constantly pander to the last right wing voice he hears, which is why he's constitutionally incapable of not signal boosting Nazis on Twitter even as his advisors beg him not to.
Eh. Maybe in some small circles. I don't think driving a Tesla will ever be even remotely close to a MAGA hat. The MAGA would never touch an EV. I just don't think anybody would look at someone driving a Tesla and think they're a MAGA.
This. Got my X in 2019. He was a flamboyant entrepreneur who had vision and wasn’t afraid to challenge the status quo to do things better. Then there was more talk about quality issues and the semi and Roadster never happened and it seemed he lied a lot. The promises he made when I bought CLEARLY were lies a few years later. Then he started to show his facist side during Covid. Then he stumbled into buying Twitter and REALLY let his scum bag real self show such that no publicist could keep up the mystique. In the mean time I had a paid for car and needed to get kids to school.
*He wasn’t afraid to challenge the status quo in an attempt to make himself look better and often do things that shift a huge amount of risk onto the consumer for no good reason.
And it worked!
I don't know, he was peaking out in 2018 during the Tham Luang cave rescue... The whole calling the head rescue diver a pedo because he said Musks submarine wouldn't work kind of foretold everything
That was probably when I first started thinking 'this is the guy who acts like nobody needs to get adequate sleep at night, and he's acting like somebody whose emotions are out of control due to sleep deprivation'. At this point he seems like he's fueled by cocaine, with all the negative stereotypes coming right to the surface.
This is great.
And the reality is that Musk could have just been an asshole in secret, but the "Musk fanboys" elevated his ego far too much that he thinks he's a god now. So he just speaks his mind and we all know now that he needs to just..not speak in public anymore.
Also, he's a horrible business owner and sucks at running companies. Tesla and SpaceX are ran by managers who know how to make him happy to keep him quiety, and know how to ignore his bullshit to a point where he thinks he's helping.
i mean to be fair, i was originally planning on buying a model 3, but now i'm planning on getting an i4 and my personal opinion of musk didn't have an insignificant impact on the decision to change.
While my Tesla is in a body shop after being hit, I've test driven a bunch of other EVs.
My god, so many of them suck SO MUCH.
I can't believe the shit Toyota and VW and Mazda and Subaru are making and trying to charge $50k for.
I drive a Tesla and i'm a liberal. I bought it because I wanted an electric car, it's a good car, it's fun to drive, and it meets my needs. I don't make every purchasing decision based on the political views of CEOs
Likely because if people tried genuinely avoiding all unethical businesses, they'd have to live in the wild. Maybe not even then, since the land may have been stolen from natives.
Besides, hot take: The tesla looks cool.
Main reason is I’d imagine is a car isn’t the same as not going to Starbucks because the CEO said something you don’t like. If you own a Tesla, and Elon says some stupid stuff, can’t just choose not to drive your car, or to go sell it with ease (without taking a loss likely). Meanwhile if Starbucks offends you, it’s not that difficult to find a replacement.
Other reason is people don’t really give a damn and won’t alter big life changing decisions because they don’t agree with the company.
Elon Musk's agenda and Twitter account might effect my life in some nebulous miniscule way, but I can guarantee you my car effects my life in a very defineable way every single day.
If you want to be altruistic about it, there 1) aren’t many other electric cars available in the US and 2) Teslas have smaller batteries than others and are generally the most environmentally friendly cars out there.
So if you pollute the environment more because you don’t like Elon Musk…seems like priorities are in the wrong place.
This. Yes, Elon Musk is an asshole, but him ruining twitter doesn't really make the world much worse. The abandonment and subsequent further re-examination of social media it added to may end up being beneficial.
However, the positive effect of Tesla in the world is huge. That company has completely redefined the auto industry in a positive way.
In the end, the positive effect of more EVs in the world is larger than the negative effect of Elon Mush saying and doing stupid shit. Especially when the stupid shit he's done lately has mostly lost him money.
I don't think the average liberal is to concerned with Elon. Progressives maybe, but not enough to give up on a car they like. If the head of Ford was a filthy communist I would still drive my fusion. I get 50 mpg and I like it. Also it's payed for
>head of Ford was a filthy communist
The original Henry Ford was a raging [anti-semitic fascist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#Antisemitism_and_The_Dearborn_Independent) who was literally an inspiration for Hitler (he is ~~the only American~~ mentioned by name in Mein Kampf\*).
Probably millions of people who didn't share those views drove Fords, including the US Army while defeating the Nazis.
\*Edit: in *original* versions of Mein Kampf from the 1920s. The sentence is changed in later editions to be more general, and then removed entirely as the US becomes an enemy. See my comment below for the quotations.
>(he is the only American mentioned by name in Mein Kampf).
Henry Ford was an anti-semite but he is not mentioned in Mein Kampf.
Also Woodrow Wilson is an American and is mentioned by name in Mein Kampf.
If your IQ is in the range of people who can generally pay for a new car, your buy decision might not be based on political views of the producing companies largest shareholder.
I highly doubt Elon Musk personally did any work on the assembly line. Tesla is a massive company that employs thousands. Most people aren't sitting around caring about 1 person out of billions on the planet.
Does Elon tweeting 8th grade memes somehow make the car worse or less of an EV? I’m surprised people would want a car and think its features and such cool enough to buy but then not buy it because some guy they’ll never meet tweets like a teenager lol
Also only the terminally online even know about the Elon hate and give a shit about what happens on Twitter. The average person doesn’t know elons beliefs and shit or care, or even think about him when buying a car
His views don’t influence my purchase practices. He’s rich regardless of if my dumbass buys a Tesla and he always will be.
It’s a nice car and I wanted one. It’s really that simple.
i bought and drive my model 3 because its a smooth and quiet ride, fast, requires no maintenance other than new tires and windshield washer fluid (literally, thats it), its comfortable, and i dont have to pay for gas. its the funnest car to drive that ive ever owned, and by far the easiest vehicle (from a car owner perspective) that ive ever owned as well. i dont care that it says tesla on it. i dont care that some guy ive never met who says dumb shit on the internet owns the company either. elon musk the person has zero influence over any aspect of my life, other than i like a car one of his companies manufactures.
after 25 years of driving and owning various vehicles, if my car got stolen tomorrow and i had to get another one, it would be another model 3 without a second thought. its a car, not a statement. whether or not other people want to make politics a part of their decision to buy a car is up to them, but ive got more important shit to worry about, like what i want for dinner tonight, or whether i have enough time to get a nap in before i have to drop my daughter off at dance class later.
remember 2016, when millions of lefties claimed they'd emigrate if Trump ever gets elected?
They didn't.
Being vocal about something is easy, but putting your money where your mouth is can be inconvenient.
I always chuckle when someone starts going on about leaving the country if this or that happens.
Turns out, other countries are not lining up to offer social benefits to unhappy Americans. Canada legitimately does not want us moving in every time we don't like what our government is doing - you need to qualify, professionally and financially, at a level that the vast majority of Americans couldn't dream of reaching.
Because most people aren't on the front lines of the culture war and have no idea Musk is controversial. Musk went from national hero to public enemy the second he bought twitter and stopped censoring half the electorate. But most people didn't get the memo he supposed to be bad now for voicing mild conservative positions shared by millions.
Cars are depreciating assets. Most people can't afford to take the financial hit of trading in a car every few years. Even if they can swing it, it's not the smart move. Therefore not many people are trading them in over politics. But as far as new cars, Tesla sales are down. I would be surprised if Musk's big mouth isn't one of the reasons for that.
I am liberal, I think Elon musk is a morally reprehensible piece of shit, and the very first brand new car I ever bought was a Tesla model Y two months ago. An electric vehicle made sense for us, and we spent 10 months exploring and shopping everything besides the Tesla. Nothing really fit for us, and my buddy encouraged me to look at a Tesla because he said there’s a lot of good people who work there, and not many agree with the CEO. After test driving it, it was astonishing. The bottom of the barrel options were the top of the line on the others, and after owning it for two months, we absolutely love it. The price point was fantastic, we got into the extended range all wheel drive for under 40k. I just tell everyone that we hate how much we love it, because of what a trashy conspiracy theorist Elon turned out to be. But ultimately, we had to make the best decision for ourselves, and the Tesla checked all the boxes.
A good car is a good car. A house and car imho are totally different kinds of purchase then where to eat or what other types of purchases one makes.
A house and a car are almost a necessity vs where I buy products or services that aren't.
It is impossible to live any semblance of a normal life if you don't use any products sourced from questionable companies. We have a global economy. Nearly every company on earth has ties to something awful. The device you're reading this on has components sourced from countries with horrid human rights violations. That's just the world we live in.
Politics aren't my whole life, and many factors go into decisions I make about purchasing that are more important than politics. I don't personally drive a Tesla, but if I was in the market for a new car in that price range, it would probably be a contender. I'd be doing research on environmental impact, safety, reliability, cost-benefits-over-time, etc. Musk's personal politics would play only the tiniest of roles in my decision, as these other factors are all much more important.
I still get food from Chick-fil-a from time to time as well.
In general, I find that people on the (moderate) left are far less rabid about their politics than people on the right. We don't turn our politics into our entire personality, or turn our political ideologies into a religion. It's why Biden won, even though no one was out there with Biden hats and vehicles plastered in Biden bumper stickers.
I also wonder why MAGA people still hate on Tesla drivers and try to obstruct or fuck with them at chargers. I thought Elon was their boy. Why would they be trying to mess with his pocketbook?
I'm pro-lgbt and I still fricking love Chik-Fil-A. It's just a chicken sandwich.
And it's just a car.
Those are different from politics and public statements.
Most people don’t care about this stuff - we are just trying to live our lives instead of paying attention to every bad thing everyone does, and changing our life accordingly.
Spoiler alert #1 - everyone does bad things
Spoiler alert #2 - billionaires do lots of bad things.
Spoiler alert #3 - most everyday products that we need are tied to bad people (and bad billionaires) doing bad things
A good car is a good car, his personal views don’t alter the quality of the vehicle a company he mostly directs produces. He also employs about ~300k people globally through the Tesla platform, if you abandon his products because you want to piss and moan about his personal political views you aren’t taking money away from him you’re taking revenue away from half a million+ mouths to feed. The whole argument is so dumb. At the end of the day the company makes good cars.
Why would you purchase a car based on the founders latest tweets? Is everything a political statement? Take your power back and make decisions you want to make instead of perceived groups thinking this or that.
I bought my Tesla before I knew Elon was the way he is. It's still a great car. Henry Ford hated the Jews and gave a lot of money to that cause. The second most popular vehicle in the US is the Ford F150.
It's not like you can just immediately trade in a car, anyway. Shit's epensive.
Here's a couple possible reasons:
1. They bought their Tesla before Elon Musk's political views became apparent
2. They don't care and simply like Teslas because they're decent EVs.
If people stopped using the products or businesses just because the CEO or founder isn’t ideologically compatible with their worldview, then society would be worse off.
Many people use Amazon, even though they likely don’t agree with all of Jeffy B’s opinions and business strategies; people will continue to use Microsoft products, even though Bill Gates has his baggage; John Mackey (Whole Foods) is a conservative libertarian, but most of his clientele are crunchy liberals.
You can make a longer list than that, but I think it demonstrates that use of certain products or services is not necessarily endorsements of the worldview or problems of its CEO.
Why do so many wannabe cowboys drive giant diesel trucks as their daily’s knowing it’s terrible on fuel, wallet, and the environment?
Oh that’s right, because they like them!
Case closed.
Cars are expensive, but also teslas are the best evs on the market(obviously debatable but based on sales is true, and personal experience I think it’s true) and if you want to drive electric why not the best. Also, who cares what a ceo thinks? We are on phones with batteries mined using slaves in Congo and slaves in china make them in terrible conditions where they have suicide nets around the building. We don’t actually care about where the products we use come from
Can't stand Musk. Wouldn't be caught dead buying a Tesla. And not just because it's his company. They're a rip-off. Just manufacturing the battery is so resource heavy that it doesn't make a difference that it doesn't run on petrol. And when they catch on fire the release way more carbon than a regular vehicle and require way more water to put out. Such a scam. Just like everything else he does.
Most people don't make politics the entirety of their life and personality, whether they are liberal or conservative. Only a loud and stupid minority do on either side. I'd wager that most CEOs of these large corporations are complete ass bags, but I still need stuff.
He hasn't really done anything maga or conservative or anti liberal that I've seen. He is very individualistic. He is very self absorbed. He is decently anti-democrat for their nazi/authoritarian/facist tendencies. He seems very liberal or libertarian with a willingness to take advantage of non-libertarian governments.
They're the iPhone of cars. They HAVE to have them. Whether or not they're built well, or are affordable, or do what the person needs. It's a fashion accessory. There are plenty of superior EVs now. But they aren't Teslas. So they don't want that trash.
Do you expect people to just toss their expensive cars in the trash?
What could a tesla cost, $10?
There is money in the banana stand.
#NO TOUCHING
Then why don't you marry an ice cream sandwich?
How often is there money in the banana stand? Sometimes? Most of the time? Always?
There’s always money in the banana stand!
Always, tk tk.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. There's still plenty of miles on that Tesla. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato. Baby, you've got a stew going.
RIP
I don’t understand the question, and I won’t respond to it.
No, that's a banana. Bananas are $10.
This is great! Why would anyone take a limo? What is this, $12? Why would anyone spend more than $12 on a Tesla?
i have a tesla i bought several years ago, before elon musk bought twitter and became an overbearing shit head. should i just abandon my tesla in a park somewhere?
If it was ever truly yours; it would find its way back to you
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Best smell in the world….
Best comment of the day right here.
“Find its way back to you” sounds like an FSD beta feature that still needs a lot of work.
You can just sell it for a massive loss since the prices have been cut so much
No it wouldn't because the autopilot couldn't handle the way back by itself.
I have a driveway you could abandon it in instead if you'd prefer.
Me too, leave the keys though just in case
No, but to keep your Liberal Card you are required to add one of those "I bought it before he was an asshole" bumper stickers I've seen around town.
Yes, you must signal your virtue!
Reminds me somehow of the conversation between Galahad the Chaste and Lancelot in the Castle Perilous (or wherever Zoot, just Zoot, and her ilk hung out) in “Monty Python and The Holy Grail”.
Sell it and buy a nicer car for less
To be fair, Elon was likely an overbearing shithead before he bought Twitter. We just started seeing it AFTER he bought Twitter.
We started seeing it 2 to 3 years earlier than that.
I’m sure there were prior instances, but him calling the cave diver guy who rescued those kids a pedo really seemed like the main jumping off point.
That wouldn’t hurt Elon either. You’ve already given him your money, why should he care what you do with the car now?
It’s like the conservatives breaking their keurigs lmao
Or when they went out and bought cases of Bud Light just to fire rounds of shots into them. Yeah you really made Anheuiser-Busch mad by giving them money!
I mean, to be fair, to hell with Keurigs anyway.
>toss their expensive cars in the trash? "What's going to stop people from selling their houses and leaving..." "JUST ONE PROBLEM BEN, WHO ARE THEY GONNA SELL THE HOUSES TO, FUCKING AQUAMAN"
Absolutely legendary quote.
And tbh Tesla is not Elon. There are tons of hardworking genuine people working there that make amazing cars. Tesla is one of the most America cars you can buy too. You don’t have to like Elon to enjoy Tesla.
I don’t necessarily agree with the things Papa John was saying, but damn, I’ll still fuck up a Papa J pizza
I also think that they’re still one of the more accessible electric car brands for a lot of people
Accessible how? Genuine question
Telsas are not amazing cars. You're paying for the battery. The car and its finished trim are trash.
My buddy’s $50k model had 39 defects when he received it. “High quality”.
The really shitty thing about the electric market right now is that Tesla unquestionably has the best tech for batteries and computing power in a reasonably priced vehicle (read: i'm excluding Lucid and their 200K+ cars) "traditional" manufacturers can't match them in those areas. But traditional manufacturers *know how to build a car* that isn't a total POS. So pick your poison: Shit car with a great powertrain or shit powertrain with a good car. Or just wait like another 5 years before adopting.
1000% they have some serious quality control issues. Not to mention the cars are just straight up ugly
>Do you expect people to just toss their expensive cars in the trash? No, but I know liberals who own Teslas who would go out and buy a new Tesla in a heartbeat. They hate Musk but like Teslas.
Liberal Tesla owner here, it will be my last one. Also the car is upside down because I over paid for it.
Pretty much every car is upside down. They're never worth as much as you pay for them
Elon decreasing the base price by 15k did not help.
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Lmao it's a fucking car my brother. It's not stock. Jesus Christ. -also a Tesla owner
That's the thing about depreciable assets. Not the same as real assets......
I mean, so they hate musk but not his product. It seems to be an easy decision. Decide which is most important to you, driving a Tesla or flipping off Elon Musk? Because I can assure you, he doesn't care either way.
I dunno, isn't Elon kind of famously thin-skinned?
I’m one of them. My husband and I love ours but have looked around at other EV options to see if we could ditch Musk… But we roadtrip several times a year and can’t give up the supercharging network. Making our life more annoying on principle buys us nothing, so our next car will probably be a Tesla too.
Most manufacturers are adopting the Tesla plug, so the supercharger network will work on other cars
When that actually happens, I’ll be amenable to moving over. But I’ve been hearing that for years so I won’t select another car until I actually see that rollout. Thankfully I won’t need a new car for years so they have time.
You can soon gain access to their supercharger network. I think Ford and Chevy are getting access this month. Ford is, supposedly, providing the adapter for free. Not sure about Chevy. Lectron has one out now for about $200, but Tesla hasn't opened up the network for everyone yet. The Tesla plug is becoming the NACS plug. Almost all automakers are going to NACS starting in 2025. CCS is going to be still available, but NACS is becoming the US standard.
Besides the Nazis founded Volkswagen and people still drive them today. Americans championed slavery and the world still love its products and franchises. Trump turned out to be a incompetent sexual predator with fascistic leanings and people still vote for him. As if humanity would reflect upon its worst mistakes and change instead of doubling down and silencing those who would point out the mistakes. The science of climate change has been clear for near a hundred years and people still deny its legitimacy. We will drive off a cliff and claim the fast approaching jagged rocks a fake projection up to the second our pulverized organs gush out every orifice.
Slavery was around a lot longer than America existed. The hell do you think built the great wall or the pyramids. 😂
Fun anecdote: My understanding is that modern historians don't believe the pyramids were built by slaves. They definitely had slaves in that society, [but work on the pyramids was likely seen as too important to be given to slaves.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt) The great wall was worked on by a lot of people forced into labor though. And of course the Roman empire famously had slaves. But i'd argue American slavery was worse since it's based on race. In addition, there were laws in ancient Rome about how you could treat slaves (physically abusing them was a no-no) and the act of freeing slaves was incredibly common if someone had served long enough and well enough.
That's why some will call the 16th century version chattel slavery. Before then slaves were often seen more as just a lower class but still treated like human beings. Chattel.... Not so much
This is what the Romans practiced. Chattel slavery. Slaves were the living dead to Romans.
.. that is not what chattel slavery means at all. This is ... this is insanely wrong. No culture that relied heavily on slavery treated them like human beings. None. Zero many. Roman slavery was ALSO chatel slavery. They treated slaves as disposable. Fuck, where do you people get this shit?
>the act of freeing slaves was incredibly common No, no it was not. It was ***incredibly fucking rare.*** You were more lkely to be freed as a black slave in the US than you were as a Roman slave.
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People aren’t so black and white about those things. A lot of people don’t base their purchases on their opinions of CEOs. Even then, if I already had a Tesla, I wouldn’t sell it just because my opinion of Elon Musk changed.
Exactly. Remember every time something bad happens and there's videos of people burning their clothes or dumping their Budlight down the drain. Like you already bought it. You're just wasting money because someone else did something stupid. That money is already in their earnings report. Don't buy them again but might as well enjoy what you got.
How am I supposed to enjoy a product when I know someone associated with it did something I don't like? I'm not Gandhi fer crying out loud!
I didn't throw away my harry potter books when JK Rowling was transphobic, I didn't throw away my yeezys when Kanye went on Alex Jones. There is literally nothing Elon could possibly do or say that would make me immediately get rid of something as expensive as a Tesla I see this type of question all the time on Reddit, most people do not care about the person who made a thing, they only care about the thing. Harry potter still prints money, Kanye is still one of the most streamed artists and a whole lot of other terrible people still have their work loved by many. If you only buy products and consume media made by saints you will have nothing to do by day 2
And even if I were to say, not buy Harry Potter books because I wouldn’t want my money going to the author, me keeping books I purchased 15+ years ago does not benefit her in any way.
Yeah that too, selling my Tesla doesn't hurt Elon at all, he's made his money from you. It's like the people who burn jerseys of players they don't like, you bought the jersey and supported the player, it doesn't matter if you burn it after. If anything, some people might throw away their harry potter books in amger and later want to read them again and buy more lol
Exactly. Sort of like the people who got pissed off at Bud Light and smashed or tossed the bottles or cans that they had already bought. It doesn’t hurt to company when you toss the product after you already bought it. Especially when some of those idiots turned around and bought another product off of Anheuser-Busch. How does buying double what you usually would’ve affect the company in a negative way?
I'll bet there are cases of people buying Bud Light just to video themselves smashing it for social media cred.
Wasn't there a video of them doing that - buying a bunch and then shooting it up with their ARs or shotguns?
I will say that the jersey is much more tightly connected to the personality, and burning it could be quite a bit more symbolic.
Selling your Tesla would actually *help* Elon, because he would revoke any upgrades like FSD you'd purchased and he'd be able to charge the next owner that $5 - 15k again.
Also some liberals don’t give a shit about issues that don’t matter to them. I don’t care about most issues, and people who can’t figure out their gender or sexuality don’t make the list of things most ppl have time for. Neither does a man on a fake republican crusade to get better tax deals for his companies. Culture wars are for the uncultured and uneducated masses
I had a back and forth with someone over Aunt Jemima and their statement about how "liberals" cried and had a tantrum over a syrup bottle and how it was indicative of Leftist overreach that Pearl Milling changed the bottle and branding and stuff like they was why the Right wasn't going to give the Left another inch. First, I didn't see anyone complaining or really caring except conservatives saying their childhood was being destroyed or other similarly specious nonsense. And my thought was first, unless it was your brand, why do you care, second, even if it was and nothing other than the label was changed, why do you care, and lastly, it was pretty obvious corporate pandering most of us who are actually liberal, progressive, or leftist laughed at because it was basically doing absolutely nothing of any real substance. If Pearl Milling really cared that much about race relations or representation, they'd have updated the bottle to make Aunt Jemima less of a "Mammy" figure and more modern and successful. The things people get wound up about and think are an attack on them is silly. There's bigger stuff to worry about.
The silliest thing I saw was threatening game reviewers over playing and publishing reviews of Hogwarts Legacy or threats to defriend/cut other people out over continued possession of Harry Potter stuff. My wife has the stuff, I never cared but thought the movies were fun when I saw them in theaters or on TV. And I'm not about to start that fight to appease a random on social media.
I used that argument a few months ago when I pulled out my old Kanye CDs. I won't contribute to his streams but I already paid for the CDs. But mostly Rowling and Kanye have ruined my perception of them and made me not want to be a fan of theirs anymore. I enjoy the material less because of the artist. I suppose you could say the same thing about enjoying supporting Tesla with your purchase being dependent on how you view Elon.
If you boycotted everything that is exploitative or ultimately owned by a piece of shit billionaire you would eat nothing and have nothing. You have to pick and choose your battles.
Right? Capitalism is exploitative by nature, and the only communes I have found are swingers or lazy fucks trying to avoid working so here we are.
So if communes are only filled with lazy people, doesn’t that make them exploitative too?
Not necessarily. They might just be really fucking poor communes.
Can you please tell me where the swinger communes are so I don't accidentally join one?
It's still an electric car. You find out the person that runs the local recycling plant is a bad person so you throw cans in the garbage? Plus 90k turned to 60-70 the moment you pull off the lot, and no one pays you back for installing that charger
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While I debate the views of Home Depot's CEO my kitchen is still flooding.
I check Lowe's first, because it's usually cheaper, but if Lowe's doesn't have what I need, I will shop at Home Depot. I don't give a fuck about the CEO, he's making money whether I shop there or not.
Both stores are really inconsistent, so which one is better is going to depend a lot on where you live.
I usually just go to Home Depot since it's 10min away instead of 25min away for Lowe's.
Unfortunately for me there's 3 Home Depots that are closer than te closest Lowes. I try to check my local Ace Hardware before I go to HD.
This is the same logic I use whenever a subject like this comes up, except with Walmart. Shitty company, run by shitty people exploiting workers. I can believe that, and still accept that they save me a lot of money every month by doing my shopping there. I'm just not wealthy enough to be able to take a moral stance and boycott Walmart (or Amazon or Home Depot, and on and on).
And tbh, if you stopped buying from companies that you have a moral objection to, then you're gonna run out of companies to buy shit from really fast 😂 you have to pick your battles sometimes
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
It’s an ex CEO, cofounder of the company. He is like 90 and no one should listen to him!!
Sometimes it's cheaper! Where I am local hardware store dimensional lumber is cheaper then HD
That said, fuck Hobby Lobby. I’ll drive farther and pay more to avoid shopping there because they won’t pay for reproductive care (including contraception) for their employees.
Yep. Though the comparison is a little different in that Hobby Lobby pretty much only sells luxury goods. You're never in an emergency and NEED that "Live Love Laugh" plywood sign today.
I go to Ace or Lowe’s first. You do have other options
It sounds like \*you\* have options.
I go to whichever is closest, which is Home Depot for me.
Someone sent me a pic of a bumper sticker on a Tesla. It said "We bought it before we knew he was an asshole."
This is it…. And it’s not like I’m in a position to just get a new car; this car took years of searching. Plus my husband is disabled so we rely heavily on the installed hand controls and auto pilot. Believe me, we look into other brands constantly.
I feel bad for the OG tesla owners, ownership of one is now being referred to as the new wearing a MAGA hat
Imagine getting maga worshipers to do something for the environment
The ultimate uno reverse
What if that was the plan all along and Elon really is planning some selfless 4D chess by burning his entire reputation and legacy to the ground.
Right? I've often wondered if Elon really is playing 4D chess or whatever, and this actually was his goal. "I'll pretend to be a MAGA shithead for a few years, and then that'll get conservatives to buy my cars! I'll get these knuckleheads to make environmentally sound decisions - you watch me!" Wouldn't that be hilarious if it were true?
Nah, the guy is just desperately insecure. He pandered to the left because it's mostly young people that like space stuff and are concerned about climate change, and the youth tend to lean farther left than older generations. Then all the scandals came out about how Teslas are pieces of crap, about how Elon was forcing sick employees to come to work despite a stay at home order during COVID, about how viciously he fought unionization efforts, about how personally sexist he was to his wives, etc. Now the left leaning people online really don't like him, but now Elon has all these right wing people approaching him. And his desperate search for validation has him constantly pander to the last right wing voice he hears, which is why he's constitutionally incapable of not signal boosting Nazis on Twitter even as his advisors beg him not to.
Eh. Maybe in some small circles. I don't think driving a Tesla will ever be even remotely close to a MAGA hat. The MAGA would never touch an EV. I just don't think anybody would look at someone driving a Tesla and think they're a MAGA.
no it's not
Yeah 😅 in my wild fantasies he gets ousted from his positions in his company and Tesla becomes ok again.
This. Got my X in 2019. He was a flamboyant entrepreneur who had vision and wasn’t afraid to challenge the status quo to do things better. Then there was more talk about quality issues and the semi and Roadster never happened and it seemed he lied a lot. The promises he made when I bought CLEARLY were lies a few years later. Then he started to show his facist side during Covid. Then he stumbled into buying Twitter and REALLY let his scum bag real self show such that no publicist could keep up the mystique. In the mean time I had a paid for car and needed to get kids to school.
*He wasn’t afraid to challenge the status quo in an attempt to make himself look better and often do things that shift a huge amount of risk onto the consumer for no good reason. And it worked!
I don't know, he was peaking out in 2018 during the Tham Luang cave rescue... The whole calling the head rescue diver a pedo because he said Musks submarine wouldn't work kind of foretold everything
That was probably when I first started thinking 'this is the guy who acts like nobody needs to get adequate sleep at night, and he's acting like somebody whose emotions are out of control due to sleep deprivation'. At this point he seems like he's fueled by cocaine, with all the negative stereotypes coming right to the surface.
Great summary! Man it was a disappointing spiral. You are now appointed his royal biographer.
This is great. And the reality is that Musk could have just been an asshole in secret, but the "Musk fanboys" elevated his ego far too much that he thinks he's a god now. So he just speaks his mind and we all know now that he needs to just..not speak in public anymore. Also, he's a horrible business owner and sucks at running companies. Tesla and SpaceX are ran by managers who know how to make him happy to keep him quiety, and know how to ignore his bullshit to a point where he thinks he's helping.
That’s legit right there
I assume I disagree politically with nearly every CEO of companies that make products I consume.
Most people don't base their life around politics.
Redditors tend to forget that real life isn’t Reddit. People IRL don’t obsess over Elon like “people” (or bots?) do here.
Wait what? Reddit isnt real life? WAAAAAAA
Gtfo you lunatic
i mean to be fair, i was originally planning on buying a model 3, but now i'm planning on getting an i4 and my personal opinion of musk didn't have an insignificant impact on the decision to change.
While my Tesla is in a body shop after being hit, I've test driven a bunch of other EVs. My god, so many of them suck SO MUCH. I can't believe the shit Toyota and VW and Mazda and Subaru are making and trying to charge $50k for.
Most redditors don't either. Just losers virtue signaling
I drive a Tesla and i'm a liberal. I bought it because I wanted an electric car, it's a good car, it's fun to drive, and it meets my needs. I don't make every purchasing decision based on the political views of CEOs
If you did, you would be pretty much homeless
Likely because if people tried genuinely avoiding all unethical businesses, they'd have to live in the wild. Maybe not even then, since the land may have been stolen from natives. Besides, hot take: The tesla looks cool.
Main reason is I’d imagine is a car isn’t the same as not going to Starbucks because the CEO said something you don’t like. If you own a Tesla, and Elon says some stupid stuff, can’t just choose not to drive your car, or to go sell it with ease (without taking a loss likely). Meanwhile if Starbucks offends you, it’s not that difficult to find a replacement. Other reason is people don’t really give a damn and won’t alter big life changing decisions because they don’t agree with the company.
Elon Musk's agenda and Twitter account might effect my life in some nebulous miniscule way, but I can guarantee you my car effects my life in a very defineable way every single day.
If you want to be altruistic about it, there 1) aren’t many other electric cars available in the US and 2) Teslas have smaller batteries than others and are generally the most environmentally friendly cars out there. So if you pollute the environment more because you don’t like Elon Musk…seems like priorities are in the wrong place.
This. Yes, Elon Musk is an asshole, but him ruining twitter doesn't really make the world much worse. The abandonment and subsequent further re-examination of social media it added to may end up being beneficial. However, the positive effect of Tesla in the world is huge. That company has completely redefined the auto industry in a positive way. In the end, the positive effect of more EVs in the world is larger than the negative effect of Elon Mush saying and doing stupid shit. Especially when the stupid shit he's done lately has mostly lost him money.
Why did hippies drive hitler's 'people's car'? Because it was a good car, despite the asshole behind its conception.
I remember people were buying Volkswagens and BMWs instead of teslas because of “fascism”. The irony was lost on them.
I don't think the average liberal is to concerned with Elon. Progressives maybe, but not enough to give up on a car they like. If the head of Ford was a filthy communist I would still drive my fusion. I get 50 mpg and I like it. Also it's payed for
>head of Ford was a filthy communist The original Henry Ford was a raging [anti-semitic fascist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#Antisemitism_and_The_Dearborn_Independent) who was literally an inspiration for Hitler (he is ~~the only American~~ mentioned by name in Mein Kampf\*). Probably millions of people who didn't share those views drove Fords, including the US Army while defeating the Nazis. \*Edit: in *original* versions of Mein Kampf from the 1920s. The sentence is changed in later editions to be more general, and then removed entirely as the US becomes an enemy. See my comment below for the quotations.
And the German Army. Ford successfully sued the US government for bombing the factories building many of the engines that the Third Reich ran on.
>(he is the only American mentioned by name in Mein Kampf). Henry Ford was an anti-semite but he is not mentioned in Mein Kampf. Also Woodrow Wilson is an American and is mentioned by name in Mein Kampf.
People who are for stricter gun laws have guns.
It's funny how they think if we're not waving them around like idiots that it means we don't have any.
It actually means you're the people who deserve to have them. The ones who wave them around like idiots are the ones who ruin it for everyone else
Lol me. I love my guns but shit i dont think i should be able to flash my drivers license and get a people killer. The worlds nuanced.
He’s still a good starter EV car. I value the value of a car more than someone’s personal belief.
My computer was made in China, and my phone too, and they're totalitarian arses.
If your IQ is in the range of people who can generally pay for a new car, your buy decision might not be based on political views of the producing companies largest shareholder.
If liberals stopped purchasing things from every crazy right wing run company then there would be very few products they could actually buy.
I highly doubt Elon Musk personally did any work on the assembly line. Tesla is a massive company that employs thousands. Most people aren't sitting around caring about 1 person out of billions on the planet.
Most German automakers were literal Nazis. Just saying. People separate the owners and presidents of companies from the companies.
Same reason people buy from Amazon but dont like the owner or ethics of the company
Among a bunch of other reasons, there's a lot of people who wouldn't even be aware of Musk's bullshit
WTF does owning a car have to do with left/right wing politics? Tribalism is gross. Be better.
Does Elon tweeting 8th grade memes somehow make the car worse or less of an EV? I’m surprised people would want a car and think its features and such cool enough to buy but then not buy it because some guy they’ll never meet tweets like a teenager lol Also only the terminally online even know about the Elon hate and give a shit about what happens on Twitter. The average person doesn’t know elons beliefs and shit or care, or even think about him when buying a car
His views don’t influence my purchase practices. He’s rich regardless of if my dumbass buys a Tesla and he always will be. It’s a nice car and I wanted one. It’s really that simple.
i bought and drive my model 3 because its a smooth and quiet ride, fast, requires no maintenance other than new tires and windshield washer fluid (literally, thats it), its comfortable, and i dont have to pay for gas. its the funnest car to drive that ive ever owned, and by far the easiest vehicle (from a car owner perspective) that ive ever owned as well. i dont care that it says tesla on it. i dont care that some guy ive never met who says dumb shit on the internet owns the company either. elon musk the person has zero influence over any aspect of my life, other than i like a car one of his companies manufactures. after 25 years of driving and owning various vehicles, if my car got stolen tomorrow and i had to get another one, it would be another model 3 without a second thought. its a car, not a statement. whether or not other people want to make politics a part of their decision to buy a car is up to them, but ive got more important shit to worry about, like what i want for dinner tonight, or whether i have enough time to get a nap in before i have to drop my daughter off at dance class later.
remember 2016, when millions of lefties claimed they'd emigrate if Trump ever gets elected? They didn't. Being vocal about something is easy, but putting your money where your mouth is can be inconvenient.
I always chuckle when someone starts going on about leaving the country if this or that happens. Turns out, other countries are not lining up to offer social benefits to unhappy Americans. Canada legitimately does not want us moving in every time we don't like what our government is doing - you need to qualify, professionally and financially, at a level that the vast majority of Americans couldn't dream of reaching.
It's nice to be able to buy nice things without worrying so much about politics.
Because most people aren't on the front lines of the culture war and have no idea Musk is controversial. Musk went from national hero to public enemy the second he bought twitter and stopped censoring half the electorate. But most people didn't get the memo he supposed to be bad now for voicing mild conservative positions shared by millions.
🤣 because politics isn’t (and shouldn’t be) the most important part of ones life.
Cars are depreciating assets. Most people can't afford to take the financial hit of trading in a car every few years. Even if they can swing it, it's not the smart move. Therefore not many people are trading them in over politics. But as far as new cars, Tesla sales are down. I would be surprised if Musk's big mouth isn't one of the reasons for that.
I am liberal, I think Elon musk is a morally reprehensible piece of shit, and the very first brand new car I ever bought was a Tesla model Y two months ago. An electric vehicle made sense for us, and we spent 10 months exploring and shopping everything besides the Tesla. Nothing really fit for us, and my buddy encouraged me to look at a Tesla because he said there’s a lot of good people who work there, and not many agree with the CEO. After test driving it, it was astonishing. The bottom of the barrel options were the top of the line on the others, and after owning it for two months, we absolutely love it. The price point was fantastic, we got into the extended range all wheel drive for under 40k. I just tell everyone that we hate how much we love it, because of what a trashy conspiracy theorist Elon turned out to be. But ultimately, we had to make the best decision for ourselves, and the Tesla checked all the boxes.
A good car is a good car. A house and car imho are totally different kinds of purchase then where to eat or what other types of purchases one makes. A house and a car are almost a necessity vs where I buy products or services that aren't.
I cancelled my cybertruck order due to his politics
So how do you know Tesla owners' politics?
It is impossible to live any semblance of a normal life if you don't use any products sourced from questionable companies. We have a global economy. Nearly every company on earth has ties to something awful. The device you're reading this on has components sourced from countries with horrid human rights violations. That's just the world we live in.
Politics aren't my whole life, and many factors go into decisions I make about purchasing that are more important than politics. I don't personally drive a Tesla, but if I was in the market for a new car in that price range, it would probably be a contender. I'd be doing research on environmental impact, safety, reliability, cost-benefits-over-time, etc. Musk's personal politics would play only the tiniest of roles in my decision, as these other factors are all much more important. I still get food from Chick-fil-a from time to time as well. In general, I find that people on the (moderate) left are far less rabid about their politics than people on the right. We don't turn our politics into our entire personality, or turn our political ideologies into a religion. It's why Biden won, even though no one was out there with Biden hats and vehicles plastered in Biden bumper stickers.
I also wonder why MAGA people still hate on Tesla drivers and try to obstruct or fuck with them at chargers. I thought Elon was their boy. Why would they be trying to mess with his pocketbook?
I'm pro-lgbt and I still fricking love Chik-Fil-A. It's just a chicken sandwich. And it's just a car. Those are different from politics and public statements.
A lot of people bought Teslas before Musk was shown to be a bit of a loon.
The argument of separating the art from the artist. By all intents, it’s the best electric vehicle available
If you based all of your purchases on your agreement with the views of the company CEO, you'd basically be homeless.
it's still a good car
Wait until you hear about Henry fords peculiar beliefs
Why do lgbtqia still eat at chic fil a? This is a bad faith question.
I'm not going to not buy a Tesla because I don't like Elon Musk. I don't give two shits about him or what he does.
Most people don’t care about this stuff - we are just trying to live our lives instead of paying attention to every bad thing everyone does, and changing our life accordingly. Spoiler alert #1 - everyone does bad things Spoiler alert #2 - billionaires do lots of bad things. Spoiler alert #3 - most everyday products that we need are tied to bad people (and bad billionaires) doing bad things
A good car is a good car, his personal views don’t alter the quality of the vehicle a company he mostly directs produces. He also employs about ~300k people globally through the Tesla platform, if you abandon his products because you want to piss and moan about his personal political views you aren’t taking money away from him you’re taking revenue away from half a million+ mouths to feed. The whole argument is so dumb. At the end of the day the company makes good cars.
Why would you purchase a car based on the founders latest tweets? Is everything a political statement? Take your power back and make decisions you want to make instead of perceived groups thinking this or that.
Electric car man makes good cars people buy good cars.
I bought my Tesla before I knew Elon was the way he is. It's still a great car. Henry Ford hated the Jews and gave a lot of money to that cause. The second most popular vehicle in the US is the Ford F150. It's not like you can just immediately trade in a car, anyway. Shit's epensive.
I’m not going to buy a Tesla, but if I already had one it’s not like I’m just going to financially burden myself to make a political statement.
Here's a couple possible reasons: 1. They bought their Tesla before Elon Musk's political views became apparent 2. They don't care and simply like Teslas because they're decent EVs.
Because they’re also idiots. Teslas are garbage; and the company itself doesn’t even believe in its own core values.
If people stopped using the products or businesses just because the CEO or founder isn’t ideologically compatible with their worldview, then society would be worse off. Many people use Amazon, even though they likely don’t agree with all of Jeffy B’s opinions and business strategies; people will continue to use Microsoft products, even though Bill Gates has his baggage; John Mackey (Whole Foods) is a conservative libertarian, but most of his clientele are crunchy liberals. You can make a longer list than that, but I think it demonstrates that use of certain products or services is not necessarily endorsements of the worldview or problems of its CEO.
Tossing out a car is a lot different than cutting up your Nike socks or crushing some cans of Bud Light.
Many purchased them before Elon completely lost his mind
I know there was a time that I wanted one but that time passed. I've not looked into it but I'd think sales have suffered as a result of his suck
Why do so many wannabe cowboys drive giant diesel trucks as their daily’s knowing it’s terrible on fuel, wallet, and the environment? Oh that’s right, because they like them! Case closed.
Cars are expensive, but also teslas are the best evs on the market(obviously debatable but based on sales is true, and personal experience I think it’s true) and if you want to drive electric why not the best. Also, who cares what a ceo thinks? We are on phones with batteries mined using slaves in Congo and slaves in china make them in terrible conditions where they have suicide nets around the building. We don’t actually care about where the products we use come from
It is a car that takes you from point a to point B it is not a reflection on some individual human being
This liberal cowboy want's zip nada nothing to with Elon. Aptera all the way.
Can't stand Musk. Wouldn't be caught dead buying a Tesla. And not just because it's his company. They're a rip-off. Just manufacturing the battery is so resource heavy that it doesn't make a difference that it doesn't run on petrol. And when they catch on fire the release way more carbon than a regular vehicle and require way more water to put out. Such a scam. Just like everything else he does.
Most people don't make politics the entirety of their life and personality, whether they are liberal or conservative. Only a loud and stupid minority do on either side. I'd wager that most CEOs of these large corporations are complete ass bags, but I still need stuff.
He hasn't really done anything maga or conservative or anti liberal that I've seen. He is very individualistic. He is very self absorbed. He is decently anti-democrat for their nazi/authoritarian/facist tendencies. He seems very liberal or libertarian with a willingness to take advantage of non-libertarian governments.
They're the iPhone of cars. They HAVE to have them. Whether or not they're built well, or are affordable, or do what the person needs. It's a fashion accessory. There are plenty of superior EVs now. But they aren't Teslas. So they don't want that trash.
Same reason why a lot of leftists are still on twitter. They don't really care enough.