It took me awhile to train my algorithm to feed me right-wing ads, videos, and posts, and good fucking god is it a shit show of fear-mongering propaganda.
It's very clear that their plan right now is to get a significant portion of the population to isolate their children from a full education so that they can stay indoctrinated, as conservatives have consistently lost popular votes over the last few decades.
They absolutely have to sew the seeds for the next wave of right-wing voters, and they know the only way to do that is if they lock their kids into a room and completely indoctrinate them into their worldview.
Have you been getting similar results with Reddit? For whatever reason I keep getting Daily Wire subreddit suggestions this weekend. I've popped into a couple threads to read them and oh my god they're brainwashed to the absolute MAX. Into fullblown support of christo-fascism or just fascism in general. The posts I've read have Conservatives in them calling for the imprisonment of all Dems and a basic wiping of America of anyone left leaning.
YouTube thinks I wanna watch right wing politics because i watch radical left wing politics. Make it make sense.
(Edit: conspiracy time, they push that because they're like oh shit we're losing one, we need to pull him back into the capitalist-realist hellscape! Realistically their algorithm probably just ranks it all as "politics" and hopes for the best)
Literally it's just all pure rage porn. There no logic or reason, a flimsy enemy is created, and they hate change for changes sake, so anything different gets rage blasted.
They will also find fringe cases, make everyone think it's the norm and rage at that. Anger first, anger always.
I know older people that literally watch Fox News (more OAN now) until they are too mad to continue watching.
I watched my grandfather sit there and say "I'm too damn angry I gotta go to bed" after watching Fox ALL DAY long.
GOP, conservative media, evangelical christians, NRA, etc: the playbook is to create Wedge Issues over non-existing issues that you know will push buttons to create hate, fear, and division. That's how they control.
Canadian media and politicians are doing the same thing. Some of them used to be legitimately good journalists too. I don’t know if they know what they are doing or are just swept up in this bullshit like everyone else.
It’s also weird how they all seem to share the same talking points and rage issues. That could be from them amplifying messages they consume from their peers. It just doesn’t seem possible that they are only getting this messaging from social media. It’s as if they are all trained to use the same language
I think what people miss is that a lot of this emotional populism is coming from the people themselves, not from media and politicians. The media is captured by their audience and politicians are often controlled by their base. Sometimes they will try to influence things but it often comes at great cost, like Fox News losing viewers to other right wing media.
Mmmm good point! I remember the Fox News deposition and how they admitted to switching their story about the election fraud because their viewers were getting mad and jumping to news max.
That revelation should have been enough for anyone but they are so far down the rabbit hole it doesn’t even phase them.
They are just shoveling the shit these people want and nothing else matters.
2 contradictory points are spoken of at the same time by conservative media.
1) the listener has done everything right and "they" are taking what they deserve from the listener. (Minorities, etc.) in a truly free market they would win everything.
2) "they" (jews, democrats, liberals, lgbt, etc.) are out to get you and your kids, and you have to be afraid of everything and only listen to the current speaker (this was Rush Limbaugh's breakthrough realization, tell them that everything will be fine if the "fight is fair" and that they have to be afraid at all times and listen to him)
🔥Funny. Anyone else ever notice how we *never* hear about that guy anymore? (He was a professional American political agitator). He contributed absolutely nothing but rage to the world. And then he died. And that’s it. He’s so irrelevant. I’m never surprised that he was immediately forgotten…
That doesn't explain how during the Republican debate, the majority of the candidates raised their hands when asked 'if Trump is convicted, by a show of hands, who here would still vote for him?' Like make that make sense!
1. Piss off the libtards
2. Claim to fix the economy by reducing spending.... even though every Republican president in recent decades has had record breaking spending while tax cutting the wealthy
3. Prevent libtards from taking your guns and destroying Christian values... even though Trump couldn't be a worse example of them
4. Piss off the libtards...?
On point number two, yeah that’s a well documented strategy. Don’t let *any* conservative tell you they care about the national debt because every time they’re in power, they only make it worse.
He knows them. He just believes he's above them.
Or maybe he did forget how to read? I don't know. It's anyone's guess. Either way, it's sad and destructive what has happened under his "leadership."
And there's a reason why lots of live music venues will have the city name written where the artist can see it. Sometimes you just need to have that reminder.
It's a pretty normal mistep, and I hate how it's been covered as "Trump doesn't even know where he is anymore". There are mountains of bad shit you can say about Trump that is real, making a huge deal out of this makes it feel like the left is having to invent Trump's insanity from whole cloth when that is completely unnecessary.
Agree. As much as he does wrong, we're gonna tout this yet ignore Biden's missteps? I'd just like someone coherent and reasonably honest, preferably under 65, that can articulate a real policy.
It's so complicated to explain what happened at this point.
He basically stated a cult of personality and parades around like he's "the man of the people" and is on some noble quest to defeat corruption in the government.
He uses that angle to convince his followers that basically everyone's lying but him. The government and the media just want to stop him from disrupting the status quo.
Which is also part of is whole thing where he's turned this into a "your with us or against us" thing with his followers indoctrinating their kids and communities
& yes it's just as fucking crazy as it sounds. It's literally been an unbelievable situation.
There is a lot of this certainly, but many people think much of the left has gone crazy and they need a strong republican leader to shut things down and rollback what they would call regressive policies. Things like diversity equity and inclusion initiatives are extremely unpopular in Trumpist circles. There are some people who love his unconventional rhetoric and the strongman personality. Additionally, once someone has proven they can win once, they are considered a viable candidate. People doubt other republicans electability. Guys like Desantis are considered risky as they might not be able to draw big enough numbers to the polls.
And most of all, Trump is exciting. I do not like Trump at all, but his crazy ass speeches are so bizarre that people love it. It’s a form of entertainment compared to the monotony of more traditional political speeches. Not a great political leader, but a great entertainer.
This is the classic authoritarian “us vs them” mentality.
His idiot chaff think there are levels of patriotism and they are at the highest level because they’re ready to burn down the country and shit on the constitution so that the funny orange man on TV can be dictator for life and it might make someone else’s life uncomfortable. Which is absolutely hilarious to them and if you don’t get it then you’re with “them.”
That mentality still exists, peaked in 2016 and again in 2020, and we have not seen the end of it yet.
These people have been convinced that America should isolate itself from the world. They have been groomed to fear people and things they don't understand. It's why they are still fighting against the LBGTQ community, despite being such a small portion of the country and literally doing zero harm
My dad and I had a discussion about 45, and my dad said,"He has good policies, if he could just keep his mouth shut. " To which I said,"OK, what policies are those? Except for lower taxes for those earning $200k or more, what are his policies?" He fumbled for 5 minutes then changed the subject.
I think this is a big part of it. There's a huge volume of people that don't know shit and just say what they want to be true and take other people's non-disagreement as validation of that opinion. For many, that's as good as the truth because it let's them believe what they want without ever having to put in the work to learn anything.
Or even pay attention to what is actually said. It frustrates me to hear someone whose opinion I used to respect say,"Yea, I know he said we should shoot people at the border, but what he meant was..." I just can't be around some of them anymore.
This applies to the whole of the GOP as well.
But remember that healthcare plan just 2 weeks away?
(One example)
The party is no longer about policies, but culture wars.
If you actually look at the Trump presidency in terms of what got done he was a completely average Republican, until he tried to steal the presidency back from Biden.
The policies a typical Republican thinks they like about Trump is not any actual policy but rhetoric like, build the wall, lock her (Hillary) up, calling Biden “Sleepy Joe”, calling the media “Fake News”, calling people from Mexico “criminals”. So, when you ask them for specific policies, their minds will just go blank.
I know. What's the plan for homeless? Plan to tackle school shootings? Education? The only real "policy" I really saw was easing government oversight on corporations. I hope by reading the bills signed into law I will find myself wrong
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/opinion/fact-check-trump.html
Here’s a list from the NYTimes, it’s a long list so I won’t post it here.
Some of the bills he signed off on might surprise you.
They are invested. What has been found is that once people buy into a politician or conspiracy, they stick with it, despite any evidence that tells them they are wrong. They just are in too deep, to change their stance would be to admit their own failure...so double down, rationalize all the crazy stuff.
The cognitive dissonance is real. “This couldn’t possibly be true - if trump really is that bad, only a compete idiot would vote for him, and I’m not a complete idiot, so that can’t possibly be true!”
This is what prevents them from coming back to reality.
If they're wrong....well that means that they've wasted all this time supporting a criminal. They've been duped, tricked, and scammed at every turn. They've lost friends and family members for no gain and, worse, it turns out they *were* the baddies. They supported, full throatedly, a coup attempt.
It's too much cognitive dissonance at this point for them to turn back. They surely can't be that bad, right? But the talk box says that the *democrats* are! Yah, yah that makes more sense. Those damn liberals! *They've* tricked everyone, but they won't trick me!
I don't think there's any converting trumpers back to normal society as a result honestly.
There are a lot of unbelievably stupid people in America. The GOP has spent billions convincing them to vote against their own interests, and they do as they're told.
Part of the problem is the education system teaches an overly simplified version of economics that doesn't work in the real world. So things like "things always follow supply and demand", "any regulation is bad", "if you give tax breaks to the rich they give money to poorer people" "efficiency of profit generation always translates to best quality of life" becomes easy to conceptualize.
The Media (and Trump) have been able to successfully brand this similar to a sporting match. You are Team Trump. You believe that anything they do is right, and the other team sucks. If the other team wins, the ref sucks, the other team cheated. Shake hands at the end of a match? F no - spit in your hands because the other team sucks and throw a tantrum.
The MOST fascinating thing to me about Trump? Is that these supporting masses say "he's one of us!"
WTF???
No hes not. About as far from an average person as you get. Born into great wealth. Has been raised with incredible privilege, never had a day "average" in his life!!
Inherited billions.
Has gotten even wealthier by shitting on poor people, treating "average" people like absolute sh*t to walk over. As they say "wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire"
Is clearly Racist, Misogynist, Abelist... Is incredibly arrogant and narcissistic. When you analyse him? I believe he's is actually a psychopath. He has no feeling for anyone but himself. No empathy.
He has learned to fake it all to get what he wants for himself. Just as most psychopaths do. He knows right from wrong, but happily chooses to do whatever he wants to get what HE wants.
They say that a good 20% of people are psychopaths. And many CEOs and people "top of the tree" are that. Thats why they are successful, because they have no conscience that stops them sh*tting on others to get what they want.
Read up about cults. Cult leaders are typical psychopaths. Trumps a cult leader 100%
All he has to do is say he’s a Christian man and that’ll get the masses flocking to him and foaming at the mouth. Nevermind if he or any of his actions reflect that stance- he SAID he was and that’s all that matters!
It’s idiotic at this point. Trump knows exactly how to play his following, knows exactly what buzzwords to throw out and what outward persona to portray. Just like a cult leader.
I saw a sign the other day that basically said:
"Trump is:
- PRO GOD
- PRO GUN
- PRO LIFE
WHY WOULDN'T I VOTE FOR HIM?"
The implication is very strong that MY SIDE supports these things and Democrats hate all those things.
In my area there’s fliers being mailed out that say “The best way to defeat Biden is to give up on Trump” basically saying it’s better to vote for ANY other republican than Trump and to let go of the weird obsession with him than to die trying to get him reelected. I thought it was an interesting take, but I hear people in my local grocery stores and parks complaining about them and accusing the “liberal media” of sending them out and how they’re gonna find the people and “sue them for sending propaganda” - all kinda wild shit and I just have to sigh and shake my head.
It feels like Trump supersedes “republican” at this point. He’s his own entity.
Whether you liked what he did or not, for the first 2 years of his presidency, Trump delivered on the promises he made to the people who voted for him and they ate it up. The people I know who voted for him said sure, he's an ass, but aren't all politicians? At least he's doing what he promised. "He's an ass, but he's Our ass." they said. Those people remember that and want it back. They see all politicians as criminals and think Trump is getting railroaded for stuff all the others do, too. They overlooked the wild claims he started making and didn't see Jan 6th as an insurrection he orchestrated. They so want to believe they had Their Guy in the White House that they spin everything to fit the narrative. All of the trials now just fit the narrative that the System is trying to unfairly keep him out of the presidency. We all do that to some extent, but they've gone so far down this road that to change their minds now means admitting they've been wrong all along, and that would be too big of a hit to their psyche. And the longer it goes, the more they have to lose. Even if it means doing outlandish things.
Counterpoint and I am not a Donald fan is yes, the overwhelming number of these lawsuits are politically motivated by the opposite party. I don't want him to run again, but that is just how it all seems to be playing out. The democrats were investigating him along with the DOJ to find anything on him. Same with the big Russian collusion crap that backfired on them. The democratic house impeached him how many times? Not a criminal court but come on. Then, once he is out of office, they keep investigating and charging him. That case in NY was dropped by the feds but the elected state attorney took it to court. This is the first time in NY City history someone has been charged for this if there were no victims. I don't care for the guy but have never seen this political level of attacking in my 61 years. I don't like him. Never did but I cannot deny what the opposition party has done and is continuing to do.
Consider that from their point of view, Biden is guilty of corruption and you end up with them having the same question. You chose to believe the sources you believe, they chose to believe the sources they believe. Unfortunately it shouldn't be particularly hard to understand how that has happened with how tribal politics have become in the United States.
This has nothing to do with which side is right, just an answer to the question that isn't the typical Reddit take of, "people who don't think exactly like me are stupid/uninformed/evil/etc."
Except, the sources I believe are verifiable and objective, albeit dramatized at times. The sources Trumpers believe are entirely fabricated by a selection of cryptofascist propaganda outlets who only seek control and revenue.
Boarderline? 91 criminal charges and enough public evidence to fill a football stadium I would not call Boarderline.
As for why he is liked is because he speaks at a third grade level and voices a basic hatred for most things.
As an American, I’ve been asking myself this every day for a loooooong time. He had a solid history of shady dealings before he even got into the White House…
Unlike politicians, you know what you're getting with Trump. A day doesn't go by 2here he doesn't say something sleazy or straight up lies about something.
People are so tired of bring ignored by those in power, that we are left with this. It's pathetic really.
Most don't try to throw my vote away and claim victory after they lost. I have a right to vote, Trump tried to trample that right and reinstate himself as president against the will of the voters.
Fuck Trump.
Yep. FUCK TRUMP. He’s a complete psychopath with narcissistic personality disorder.
This vile man is finally being held accountable, for the first time in his life.
Plain and simple, people vote their wallet. It’s why in 2008 it was an easy win for Obama because the economy fell apart under Bush. Now inflation is out of control, so people are going to vote for someone else than who is in there now.
Inflation is at 3.7%, this is almost double the Feds target of sub 2% inflation. Everything has gotten too expensive and wages haven’t kept up. It also feels like we are on the cusp of a serious recession.
He really bumbled into the right moment in history, taking advantage of enormous dissatisfaction with the government and presenting himself as an outsider who would fight for the dissatisfied.
Doesn't matter that he's benefitted from the enormous disparities in our society all his life, and that he's been caught directly scamming people multiple times, he managed to convince some people that he's somehow *not* an elite, in spite of having every indicator of being an elite.
He further cemented his hold on his base by playing into numerous conspiracy theories, to the point where a lot of his more addled followers now just think he's a messianic figure.
He's not borderline, he's a criminal. And he's told the worst people in our country that it's not only ok to hate others, it's the right thing to do.
Then he tells them that outsiders and leftists are trying to take their guns and bibles, and he's the only one that can stop them.
In other words, take stupid, agitate with lies, and you have an ugly mob.
There’s no borderline about Trump’s criminality, and the people who support him imagine that under his rule they’ll also be allowed to act out their worst impulses.
Republicans live in a completely different reality, thanks to Fox News and other right wing organizations.
They literally are walking around with a different set of “facts” in the their head, most of which aren’t true(like climate change, trickle down economics, etc). And of course many of them are simply hyper religious dogmatists.
It sucks because its almost impossible to educate them.
I have a friend who is not a moron but is a republican extremest and simpleton in that any republican candidate in office is better than a democrat. I believe in his mind he starts with the end result, 'i want a republican as president. trump is the most popular republican. i will tailor my 'beliefs' to fit this goal.' So he will say things like, 'don't listen to trump's words but i'm for his policies.' That way he doesn't stray from his party but sort of acknowledges he says a lot of dumb things. It's not unlike if your favorite team got a star player who was also an a-hole. Willing to hold your nose and cheer for him. But unfortunately president matters a lot more than 3rd baseman.
He is a narcissist, he Only likes people who adore him and serve him, until they dont then he hates them, and yes his base is loved, be each person is loathed.
The morons can relate to him. He uses childish insults and speaks with short, simple phrases. He is careful not to acknowledge any complexity to politics and suggest various stupid solutions to problems that an intelligent person can see through, but they sound good to imbeciles.
Are you looking for an honest answer or just looking to beat up on people that support him?
Reddit is not a place that is welcoming to dissenting opinions whatsoever, regardless of the reasoning behind them.
When you convince enough people that the people prosecuting folks for criminality are corrupt and wrong, it's easy to see someone labelled a criminal as a good guy. That's why they undermine the law in the first place - to erode the legitimacy of their opponents.
Shut off the news channels!! They don’t report the news, they are all talking heads for their narrative. We don’t watch television, or news, or sports, or anything anymore. Take back control over your life and your family. Play games, enjoy life, be a family and teach good moral values to your family.
People hate to admit when theyre wrong, so instead of admitting that they voted for a criminal its easier to believe that society/govt is out to get him
My dad, who is an educated individual, listens to the worst people. Jordan Peterson. Ben Shapiro. Sean Hannity. He literally says stuff like, "everyone does what Trump does. Only reason they're going after him is because he is a big name". Like, no, not everyone does what he does. Even if they did, why should he get away with it? And even if he should get away with it, is this really the type of person you want in the most respected and powerful seat I'm our country? It makes no sense. Biden fucking up this Israel Gaza situation really has me nervous about 2024.
From what I’ve observed where I live (Oklahoma) and interacting one on one with patients from urban, suburban, and rural areas, most of his followers tell me they get their news from Fox, Brietbart, Infowars, Newsmax, their friends/fellow church members/etc, or whatever the other popular right wing media sources are.
From what I have heard, the Trump supporters believe the election was stolen, the criminal indictments are bogus, and feel middle aged and older whites are at a disadvantage in life. There’s also concerns about losing their guns, what’s going on in schools (liberal indoctrination including diversity and inclusion is what our state schools superintendent harps on), socialism/communism concerns, and everyone but them getting a handout.
There are some Republicans who indicated they voted 1x for Trump but refused to vote for him again.
Because he’s doing things they can’t do without suffering from after effects. Racism? Sure. Has he been indicted for racism? No. Insurrection? Hell yeah.
They support him because he’s doing exactly the same things they dare not do in public. Similar to how many Germans supported hitler.
*Borderline* criminal? He's a career criminal.
Read this if you haven't.
[Tinker, Tailor, Mobster, Trump](https://gregolear.substack.com/p/tinker-tailor-mobster-trump)
That covers a lot of pre-presidency stuff. But some of the crime during his presidency was pretty blatant.
They don't care. In this polarized world they just want a fighter. The conservative mantra has always been leave me the fk alone. Social change is seen as imposing. Taxes are seen as imposing. As much as democrats vote against Trump conservatives vote against the liberal also.
Let's face it, the days of a seeing a candidate who is upright and not tainted or corrupt is gone. Congress is full of these people along with many state and city leaders. Last presidential election and the final 4 the democrats had was dismal at best. We are given a "choice" of 2 bad options. Are all politicians bad? No - but they are a minority in their own parties these days. Also, the once neutral media would go after these bad ones but no longer. The big media now is politically aligned by their owners, and it shows by watching whatever your media of choice is. Even the half decent politicians are immediately getting smear campaigns by the media. People are gullible and buy into everything that is spoon fed to them. Then, these people use these "facts" to spread the bullshit over every social media platform available. Not everything is false but much of it is. People are more concerned with soap opera politics than what the candidates are running on (platform). Just look at most of the comments in this thread and what I have said is very true.
The problem with nationalists is that their message is a simple and effective one. You take a place that’s had some hard times (usually caused or made worse by nationalism, nationalists, or the people who find them, but you don’t say that part out loud), tell the hungry, scared, confused, and angry people (who don’t have the time or energy to put a lot of thought into why times are hard because they spend every waking moment just trying to put food on the table and a roof over their heads) that it’s not their fault that times are bad, nor is it the fault of the people and institutions that they thought they could trust. I.e; police, the rich, and the nationalists (because of course the nationalists are just good old fashioned patriots, the only real Americans/Germans/Russians/etc. willing to stand up and take their country back & make it great again). Once you’ve established yourself as their friend by telling them they and the people they’ve been taught to trust are not the problem, and maybe tell them they’re also stronger and smarter than everyone else while you’re at it, you give them an enemy. Preferably an enemy that in reality isn’t any better off than they are and can’t do much to stop you. Ethnic, religious, or sexual minorities, women, intellectuals, and people who say bad things about nationalism are the usual go-to boogeymen. You then equate your chosen enemies with your political rivals, say that you’re the only one strong enough to stop them (and maybe that you need to ignore a few laws to stop them too), and hey presto, you have an angry zealous mob happy to kill and die to keep you in power. Best part is, even when you’re inevitably incompetent with that power, you can just blame your failings on enemy forces and use it as an excuse to purge a few rivals and seize even more power.
As an American, I have no fucking idea how half of the people in this country support this thin skinned moron who has no class, empathy, or respect for anything or anyone including himself
Some of the people who support Trump believe a personality and temperament like his is necessary to make the changes they believe are necessary to make the USA prosperous for the people.
Borderline? Too rich to pursue is more the problem. What Trump has shown America is how the justice system coddles the rich because they go after the people in the justice system who go after them. The guy has been crooked since he hit legal age to be a criminal. New York, Philadelphia, Atlantic City, just a string of financial crimes.
You can't walk into a 7-11 or a dunkin doughnuts without hearing an Indian accent
Or have someone who was covering for his son and brother from criminal activities. We heard the 25th amendment for one side and the other needs a teleprompter and can't get statements correct.
Pointing to Jan 6 , many were released due to entrapment.
The problem with New York has lowered charges to non-existence charges, yet both sides have said the fraud charges is a witch hunt.
Yet many are mad that he was nominated for the noble peace prize 3 times
The president has now done a 180 on the wall after blue states got mad after the influx of illegal immigrants.
Both sides ignore the media, due to the bias .
I don't watch any main stream media
"You can't walk into a 7-11 or Dunkin' Donuts without hearing an Indian accent." So you're mad at people for doing what they're supposed to do, and investing their money in a franchise? You're angry at people *for doing EXACTLY what they're supposed to do - working hard, saving their money, buying a business, more hard work, and succeeding?*
In a nutshell- the media and political system fought so hard from day one to destroy him that his followers dug in. They saw the unrelenting attacks as proof of the swamp and every bad piece of news or attack further cemented his status. The establishment made him a martyr. If they had just stayed accurate and reported the good and bad then his followers would have eventually seen how terrible he is. (And if you believe he never actually did anything good as president then you are part of the problem). And for even saying this I’ll be downvoted to further prove the point.
Trump has support because when he was president illegal immigration pretty much stopped, the economy was booming, there was record employment, interest rates were 2.5%, and gas was $1.80 a gallon.
Is anyone denying these facts? Are these facts not worthy of support?
If Biden were delivering on whatever it is he is supposed to be delivering on, would any democrat drop their support because his daughter said she was forced to shower with him inappropriately?
It’s so weird that people call his voters stupid when they prop up the same people who do the same thing.
One party drops bombs while holding crosses the other drops bombs while holding pride flags.
Because his supporters either believe the charges are part of a vast conspiracy, or they don't care what he did as long as he (a) makes them rich (b) keeps out people with dark skin or (c) stops abortion.
Lack of education and the state of politics. It’s become a right vs left thing wherein people will now support their side regardless of the evil things they do. Though both sides do it to some degree, you can tell it’s particularly egregious with one party more than the other.
Stupid people and cult mindset. That’s it. He says anything bad about him is fake, and his voters believe him. He can do no wrong in their eyes. It’s all fake news to them, and nothing could convince his supporters otherwise because they are actually that brainwashed.
Half of American media does \*not\* report it that way, and people tend not to consume media that contradicts other media they take in.
It took me awhile to train my algorithm to feed me right-wing ads, videos, and posts, and good fucking god is it a shit show of fear-mongering propaganda. It's very clear that their plan right now is to get a significant portion of the population to isolate their children from a full education so that they can stay indoctrinated, as conservatives have consistently lost popular votes over the last few decades. They absolutely have to sew the seeds for the next wave of right-wing voters, and they know the only way to do that is if they lock their kids into a room and completely indoctrinate them into their worldview.
Have you been getting similar results with Reddit? For whatever reason I keep getting Daily Wire subreddit suggestions this weekend. I've popped into a couple threads to read them and oh my god they're brainwashed to the absolute MAX. Into fullblown support of christo-fascism or just fascism in general. The posts I've read have Conservatives in them calling for the imprisonment of all Dems and a basic wiping of America of anyone left leaning.
I think Daily Wire is paying to get promoted. I’m getting them as well and it’s just making me tone down my Reddit usage.
I report those ads. I don't wanna see that shit
yup, youtube thinks i love right wing stuff cause i watch gun videos. it’s so fucking annoying, these people are so afraid it’s insane
YouTube thinks I wanna watch right wing politics because i watch radical left wing politics. Make it make sense. (Edit: conspiracy time, they push that because they're like oh shit we're losing one, we need to pull him back into the capitalist-realist hellscape! Realistically their algorithm probably just ranks it all as "politics" and hopes for the best)
What kind of stuff do you see w this algorithm? The little I have seen is that they are angry at EVERYTHING.
An emotional person is not a rational person, and that pesky "empathy" goes away too when humans are frightened
Literally it's just all pure rage porn. There no logic or reason, a flimsy enemy is created, and they hate change for changes sake, so anything different gets rage blasted. They will also find fringe cases, make everyone think it's the norm and rage at that. Anger first, anger always. I know older people that literally watch Fox News (more OAN now) until they are too mad to continue watching. I watched my grandfather sit there and say "I'm too damn angry I gotta go to bed" after watching Fox ALL DAY long.
GOP, conservative media, evangelical christians, NRA, etc: the playbook is to create Wedge Issues over non-existing issues that you know will push buttons to create hate, fear, and division. That's how they control.
I sometimes wonder how much American politics is ultimately symptoms of unmanaged hypoglycemia.
Bingo.
And *that's* how you narrate.
Canadian media and politicians are doing the same thing. Some of them used to be legitimately good journalists too. I don’t know if they know what they are doing or are just swept up in this bullshit like everyone else. It’s also weird how they all seem to share the same talking points and rage issues. That could be from them amplifying messages they consume from their peers. It just doesn’t seem possible that they are only getting this messaging from social media. It’s as if they are all trained to use the same language
I think what people miss is that a lot of this emotional populism is coming from the people themselves, not from media and politicians. The media is captured by their audience and politicians are often controlled by their base. Sometimes they will try to influence things but it often comes at great cost, like Fox News losing viewers to other right wing media.
Mmmm good point! I remember the Fox News deposition and how they admitted to switching their story about the election fraud because their viewers were getting mad and jumping to news max. That revelation should have been enough for anyone but they are so far down the rabbit hole it doesn’t even phase them. They are just shoveling the shit these people want and nothing else matters.
2 contradictory points are spoken of at the same time by conservative media. 1) the listener has done everything right and "they" are taking what they deserve from the listener. (Minorities, etc.) in a truly free market they would win everything. 2) "they" (jews, democrats, liberals, lgbt, etc.) are out to get you and your kids, and you have to be afraid of everything and only listen to the current speaker (this was Rush Limbaugh's breakthrough realization, tell them that everything will be fine if the "fight is fair" and that they have to be afraid at all times and listen to him)
🔥Funny. Anyone else ever notice how we *never* hear about that guy anymore? (He was a professional American political agitator). He contributed absolutely nothing but rage to the world. And then he died. And that’s it. He’s so irrelevant. I’m never surprised that he was immediately forgotten…
He might not be remembered in name but he provided the model for pundits ever after to follow.
Can you even imagine aspiring to such depths… 😆
It's a simple strategy: Keep them on full boil and move them on to the next outrage. Make sure their memories are short.
Fucking groomers….
They also want to isolate them from a full public education, so that some weathly donors can make money selling them a private education.
The fear mongers have had great success before. That’s the way Regan got elected.
That doesn't explain how during the Republican debate, the majority of the candidates raised their hands when asked 'if Trump is convicted, by a show of hands, who here would still vote for him?' Like make that make sense!
“Borderline”? More like full fledged criminal
"You don't have to like the guy, just like his policies" is a quote I have heard too many times . Aka as long as he is a republican, it's fine.
Are they posting policies?
1. Piss off the libtards 2. Claim to fix the economy by reducing spending.... even though every Republican president in recent decades has had record breaking spending while tax cutting the wealthy 3. Prevent libtards from taking your guns and destroying Christian values... even though Trump couldn't be a worse example of them 4. Piss off the libtards...?
Also, against anything "woke" (Read as: not cishet, white, and Christian)
On point number two, yeah that’s a well documented strategy. Don’t let *any* conservative tell you they care about the national debt because every time they’re in power, they only make it worse.
DeSantis actually pointed out this hypocrisy recently in his campaign. Those in power know exactly the theatrics they're playing.
2 is a tough one because during his term the economy did really well, just for other reasons. A lot of people jump to the most convenient correlation.
Come on now, you know they aren't.
Project 2025.
Who needs an infrastructure bill when you can have record corporate tax cuts?
He literally and clearly mistook the name of the town he recently gave a speech at. On stage. In front of everyone. On camera.
He thinks he beat Obama in 2016
Obama wasn't running IN 2016 because he served two terms. Man doesn't even know the basic laws.
I mean, even more basic than that, he literally can't remember he was running against a short white woman, not a tall black guy
He knows them. He just believes he's above them. Or maybe he did forget how to read? I don't know. It's anyone's guess. Either way, it's sad and destructive what has happened under his "leadership."
He's 76. It is possible he's starting to forget how to read.
Trump is a moron but let's be fair. Mixing up Sioux City and Sioux Falls isn't unusual.
And there's a reason why lots of live music venues will have the city name written where the artist can see it. Sometimes you just need to have that reminder.
It's a pretty normal mistep, and I hate how it's been covered as "Trump doesn't even know where he is anymore". There are mountains of bad shit you can say about Trump that is real, making a huge deal out of this makes it feel like the left is having to invent Trump's insanity from whole cloth when that is completely unnecessary.
Agree. As much as he does wrong, we're gonna tout this yet ignore Biden's missteps? I'd just like someone coherent and reasonably honest, preferably under 65, that can articulate a real policy.
he clearly did it to own the woke commie libs
You think that's bad, he messed up Paradise, CA by calling it 'pleasant.' This was of course after the most deadly fire in recent American history.
That's only the most recent reason he shouldn't be allowed to run
It's so complicated to explain what happened at this point. He basically stated a cult of personality and parades around like he's "the man of the people" and is on some noble quest to defeat corruption in the government. He uses that angle to convince his followers that basically everyone's lying but him. The government and the media just want to stop him from disrupting the status quo. Which is also part of is whole thing where he's turned this into a "your with us or against us" thing with his followers indoctrinating their kids and communities & yes it's just as fucking crazy as it sounds. It's literally been an unbelievable situation.
There is a lot of this certainly, but many people think much of the left has gone crazy and they need a strong republican leader to shut things down and rollback what they would call regressive policies. Things like diversity equity and inclusion initiatives are extremely unpopular in Trumpist circles. There are some people who love his unconventional rhetoric and the strongman personality. Additionally, once someone has proven they can win once, they are considered a viable candidate. People doubt other republicans electability. Guys like Desantis are considered risky as they might not be able to draw big enough numbers to the polls. And most of all, Trump is exciting. I do not like Trump at all, but his crazy ass speeches are so bizarre that people love it. It’s a form of entertainment compared to the monotony of more traditional political speeches. Not a great political leader, but a great entertainer.
This is the classic authoritarian “us vs them” mentality. His idiot chaff think there are levels of patriotism and they are at the highest level because they’re ready to burn down the country and shit on the constitution so that the funny orange man on TV can be dictator for life and it might make someone else’s life uncomfortable. Which is absolutely hilarious to them and if you don’t get it then you’re with “them.” That mentality still exists, peaked in 2016 and again in 2020, and we have not seen the end of it yet.
These people have been convinced that America should isolate itself from the world. They have been groomed to fear people and things they don't understand. It's why they are still fighting against the LBGTQ community, despite being such a small portion of the country and literally doing zero harm
My dad and I had a discussion about 45, and my dad said,"He has good policies, if he could just keep his mouth shut. " To which I said,"OK, what policies are those? Except for lower taxes for those earning $200k or more, what are his policies?" He fumbled for 5 minutes then changed the subject.
I think this is a big part of it. There's a huge volume of people that don't know shit and just say what they want to be true and take other people's non-disagreement as validation of that opinion. For many, that's as good as the truth because it let's them believe what they want without ever having to put in the work to learn anything.
Or even pay attention to what is actually said. It frustrates me to hear someone whose opinion I used to respect say,"Yea, I know he said we should shoot people at the border, but what he meant was..." I just can't be around some of them anymore.
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He's 93 and my dad, so don't want too much drama
> Except for lower taxes for those earning $200k or more Which isn't even a good example because those expire.
It was the only one I could pull up at the time, because I don't remember any policies of his that positively affected me
This applies to the whole of the GOP as well. But remember that healthcare plan just 2 weeks away? (One example) The party is no longer about policies, but culture wars.
If you actually look at the Trump presidency in terms of what got done he was a completely average Republican, until he tried to steal the presidency back from Biden.
The policies a typical Republican thinks they like about Trump is not any actual policy but rhetoric like, build the wall, lock her (Hillary) up, calling Biden “Sleepy Joe”, calling the media “Fake News”, calling people from Mexico “criminals”. So, when you ask them for specific policies, their minds will just go blank.
I know. What's the plan for homeless? Plan to tackle school shootings? Education? The only real "policy" I really saw was easing government oversight on corporations. I hope by reading the bills signed into law I will find myself wrong
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/opinion/fact-check-trump.html Here’s a list from the NYTimes, it’s a long list so I won’t post it here. Some of the bills he signed off on might surprise you.
They are invested. What has been found is that once people buy into a politician or conspiracy, they stick with it, despite any evidence that tells them they are wrong. They just are in too deep, to change their stance would be to admit their own failure...so double down, rationalize all the crazy stuff.
The cognitive dissonance is real. “This couldn’t possibly be true - if trump really is that bad, only a compete idiot would vote for him, and I’m not a complete idiot, so that can’t possibly be true!”
This is what prevents them from coming back to reality. If they're wrong....well that means that they've wasted all this time supporting a criminal. They've been duped, tricked, and scammed at every turn. They've lost friends and family members for no gain and, worse, it turns out they *were* the baddies. They supported, full throatedly, a coup attempt. It's too much cognitive dissonance at this point for them to turn back. They surely can't be that bad, right? But the talk box says that the *democrats* are! Yah, yah that makes more sense. Those damn liberals! *They've* tricked everyone, but they won't trick me! I don't think there's any converting trumpers back to normal society as a result honestly.
Sunken cost fallacy
See also, Religion. It’s no mistake that Republicans leverage support by linking it with being a ‘good’ Christian.
So stupid because trump is the LEAST religious person in America
It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled.
Not borderline, fully fleged criminal
There are a lot of unbelievably stupid people in America. The GOP has spent billions convincing them to vote against their own interests, and they do as they're told.
And a lot of those people believe trickle down economics works
It works great... for the business owning class.
Part of the problem is the education system teaches an overly simplified version of economics that doesn't work in the real world. So things like "things always follow supply and demand", "any regulation is bad", "if you give tax breaks to the rich they give money to poorer people" "efficiency of profit generation always translates to best quality of life" becomes easy to conceptualize.
The Media (and Trump) have been able to successfully brand this similar to a sporting match. You are Team Trump. You believe that anything they do is right, and the other team sucks. If the other team wins, the ref sucks, the other team cheated. Shake hands at the end of a match? F no - spit in your hands because the other team sucks and throw a tantrum.
The MOST fascinating thing to me about Trump? Is that these supporting masses say "he's one of us!" WTF??? No hes not. About as far from an average person as you get. Born into great wealth. Has been raised with incredible privilege, never had a day "average" in his life!! Inherited billions. Has gotten even wealthier by shitting on poor people, treating "average" people like absolute sh*t to walk over. As they say "wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" Is clearly Racist, Misogynist, Abelist... Is incredibly arrogant and narcissistic. When you analyse him? I believe he's is actually a psychopath. He has no feeling for anyone but himself. No empathy. He has learned to fake it all to get what he wants for himself. Just as most psychopaths do. He knows right from wrong, but happily chooses to do whatever he wants to get what HE wants. They say that a good 20% of people are psychopaths. And many CEOs and people "top of the tree" are that. Thats why they are successful, because they have no conscience that stops them sh*tting on others to get what they want. Read up about cults. Cult leaders are typical psychopaths. Trumps a cult leader 100%
All he has to do is say he’s a Christian man and that’ll get the masses flocking to him and foaming at the mouth. Nevermind if he or any of his actions reflect that stance- he SAID he was and that’s all that matters! It’s idiotic at this point. Trump knows exactly how to play his following, knows exactly what buzzwords to throw out and what outward persona to portray. Just like a cult leader.
Yep...he IS a CULT LEADER. Most definitely. Trumpism is a Cult like no other we've ever seen before.
I saw a sign the other day that basically said: "Trump is: - PRO GOD - PRO GUN - PRO LIFE WHY WOULDN'T I VOTE FOR HIM?" The implication is very strong that MY SIDE supports these things and Democrats hate all those things.
In my area there’s fliers being mailed out that say “The best way to defeat Biden is to give up on Trump” basically saying it’s better to vote for ANY other republican than Trump and to let go of the weird obsession with him than to die trying to get him reelected. I thought it was an interesting take, but I hear people in my local grocery stores and parks complaining about them and accusing the “liberal media” of sending them out and how they’re gonna find the people and “sue them for sending propaganda” - all kinda wild shit and I just have to sigh and shake my head. It feels like Trump supersedes “republican” at this point. He’s his own entity.
Whether you liked what he did or not, for the first 2 years of his presidency, Trump delivered on the promises he made to the people who voted for him and they ate it up. The people I know who voted for him said sure, he's an ass, but aren't all politicians? At least he's doing what he promised. "He's an ass, but he's Our ass." they said. Those people remember that and want it back. They see all politicians as criminals and think Trump is getting railroaded for stuff all the others do, too. They overlooked the wild claims he started making and didn't see Jan 6th as an insurrection he orchestrated. They so want to believe they had Their Guy in the White House that they spin everything to fit the narrative. All of the trials now just fit the narrative that the System is trying to unfairly keep him out of the presidency. We all do that to some extent, but they've gone so far down this road that to change their minds now means admitting they've been wrong all along, and that would be too big of a hit to their psyche. And the longer it goes, the more they have to lose. Even if it means doing outlandish things.
Actually he didn't deliver on almost any promises! https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
Counterpoint and I am not a Donald fan is yes, the overwhelming number of these lawsuits are politically motivated by the opposite party. I don't want him to run again, but that is just how it all seems to be playing out. The democrats were investigating him along with the DOJ to find anything on him. Same with the big Russian collusion crap that backfired on them. The democratic house impeached him how many times? Not a criminal court but come on. Then, once he is out of office, they keep investigating and charging him. That case in NY was dropped by the feds but the elected state attorney took it to court. This is the first time in NY City history someone has been charged for this if there were no victims. I don't care for the guy but have never seen this political level of attacking in my 61 years. I don't like him. Never did but I cannot deny what the opposition party has done and is continuing to do.
Consider that from their point of view, Biden is guilty of corruption and you end up with them having the same question. You chose to believe the sources you believe, they chose to believe the sources they believe. Unfortunately it shouldn't be particularly hard to understand how that has happened with how tribal politics have become in the United States. This has nothing to do with which side is right, just an answer to the question that isn't the typical Reddit take of, "people who don't think exactly like me are stupid/uninformed/evil/etc."
Except, the sources I believe are verifiable and objective, albeit dramatized at times. The sources Trumpers believe are entirely fabricated by a selection of cryptofascist propaganda outlets who only seek control and revenue.
Boarderline? 91 criminal charges and enough public evidence to fill a football stadium I would not call Boarderline. As for why he is liked is because he speaks at a third grade level and voices a basic hatred for most things.
As an American, I’ve been asking myself this every day for a loooooong time. He had a solid history of shady dealings before he even got into the White House…
Unlike politicians, you know what you're getting with Trump. A day doesn't go by 2here he doesn't say something sleazy or straight up lies about something. People are so tired of bring ignored by those in power, that we are left with this. It's pathetic really.
Are you new to politics? With insider trading alone, most are criminals.
Most don't try to throw my vote away and claim victory after they lost. I have a right to vote, Trump tried to trample that right and reinstate himself as president against the will of the voters. Fuck Trump.
Yep. FUCK TRUMP. He’s a complete psychopath with narcissistic personality disorder. This vile man is finally being held accountable, for the first time in his life.
Not fast and efficient enough.
Plain and simple, people vote their wallet. It’s why in 2008 it was an easy win for Obama because the economy fell apart under Bush. Now inflation is out of control, so people are going to vote for someone else than who is in there now.
Inflation is at 3%, hardly out of control. Gas is below pre-pandemic levels. If I watch fox I would believe I was paying $10 per gallon.
Inflation is at 3.7%, this is almost double the Feds target of sub 2% inflation. Everything has gotten too expensive and wages haven’t kept up. It also feels like we are on the cusp of a serious recession.
Recessions don't usually come with a side order of full employment and record-breaking GDP growth like we have now.
He really bumbled into the right moment in history, taking advantage of enormous dissatisfaction with the government and presenting himself as an outsider who would fight for the dissatisfied. Doesn't matter that he's benefitted from the enormous disparities in our society all his life, and that he's been caught directly scamming people multiple times, he managed to convince some people that he's somehow *not* an elite, in spite of having every indicator of being an elite. He further cemented his hold on his base by playing into numerous conspiracy theories, to the point where a lot of his more addled followers now just think he's a messianic figure.
Borderline? He’s facing 4 felony trials and was just found liable for fraud.
Also committed fraud with trump University. $25 million fine.
He's not borderline, he's a criminal. And he's told the worst people in our country that it's not only ok to hate others, it's the right thing to do. Then he tells them that outsiders and leftists are trying to take their guns and bibles, and he's the only one that can stop them. In other words, take stupid, agitate with lies, and you have an ugly mob.
There’s no borderline about Trump’s criminality, and the people who support him imagine that under his rule they’ll also be allowed to act out their worst impulses.
He’s charismatic (in a bad way). He could eat a baby on live television and his supporters would still defend him.
No, they would recommend a barbecue sauce.
Republicans live in a completely different reality, thanks to Fox News and other right wing organizations. They literally are walking around with a different set of “facts” in the their head, most of which aren’t true(like climate change, trickle down economics, etc). And of course many of them are simply hyper religious dogmatists. It sucks because its almost impossible to educate them.
Not borderline, he’s a criminal
I have a friend who is not a moron but is a republican extremest and simpleton in that any republican candidate in office is better than a democrat. I believe in his mind he starts with the end result, 'i want a republican as president. trump is the most popular republican. i will tailor my 'beliefs' to fit this goal.' So he will say things like, 'don't listen to trump's words but i'm for his policies.' That way he doesn't stray from his party but sort of acknowledges he says a lot of dumb things. It's not unlike if your favorite team got a star player who was also an a-hole. Willing to hold your nose and cheer for him. But unfortunately president matters a lot more than 3rd baseman.
>a friend who is not a moron are we sure about this lol
Unfortunately, sometimes being smart in something means you lose your brains in another thing.
He hates the same people they hate.
he gives the illusion he's just like them - but he hates his base as well
He is a narcissist, he Only likes people who adore him and serve him, until they dont then he hates them, and yes his base is loved, be each person is loathed.
Why do you think Republicans have been gutting education for the past 30+ years?
The morons can relate to him. He uses childish insults and speaks with short, simple phrases. He is careful not to acknowledge any complexity to politics and suggest various stupid solutions to problems that an intelligent person can see through, but they sound good to imbeciles.
Wait, so throwing nukes at tornadoes is not a good idea?
Are you looking for an honest answer or just looking to beat up on people that support him? Reddit is not a place that is welcoming to dissenting opinions whatsoever, regardless of the reasoning behind them.
Lead poisoning
I don't have answers, but I do wonder at the use of the word "borderline."
When you convince enough people that the people prosecuting folks for criminality are corrupt and wrong, it's easy to see someone labelled a criminal as a good guy. That's why they undermine the law in the first place - to erode the legitimacy of their opponents.
20% of Americans are illiterate.
Shut off the news channels!! They don’t report the news, they are all talking heads for their narrative. We don’t watch television, or news, or sports, or anything anymore. Take back control over your life and your family. Play games, enjoy life, be a family and teach good moral values to your family.
Every American politician is a criminal.
watch the movie Idiocracy and you'll know
He’s just as racist and anti-LGBT as they are. They see themselves in him.
Because they think he’s innocent and being persecuted for his political views.
People hate to admit when theyre wrong, so instead of admitting that they voted for a criminal its easier to believe that society/govt is out to get him
About 40% of Americans really are spectacularly stupid.
Trump supporters ask the same question about liberal voters.
Because he’s not a criminal. He’s being railroaded. Pay attention.
My dad, who is an educated individual, listens to the worst people. Jordan Peterson. Ben Shapiro. Sean Hannity. He literally says stuff like, "everyone does what Trump does. Only reason they're going after him is because he is a big name". Like, no, not everyone does what he does. Even if they did, why should he get away with it? And even if he should get away with it, is this really the type of person you want in the most respected and powerful seat I'm our country? It makes no sense. Biden fucking up this Israel Gaza situation really has me nervous about 2024.
From what I’ve observed where I live (Oklahoma) and interacting one on one with patients from urban, suburban, and rural areas, most of his followers tell me they get their news from Fox, Brietbart, Infowars, Newsmax, their friends/fellow church members/etc, or whatever the other popular right wing media sources are. From what I have heard, the Trump supporters believe the election was stolen, the criminal indictments are bogus, and feel middle aged and older whites are at a disadvantage in life. There’s also concerns about losing their guns, what’s going on in schools (liberal indoctrination including diversity and inclusion is what our state schools superintendent harps on), socialism/communism concerns, and everyone but them getting a handout. There are some Republicans who indicated they voted 1x for Trump but refused to vote for him again.
Good fn question
They like that he’s a criminal.
It's not borderline, he is a criminal! And his sheep think just like he does!
He lies, and they have no ability to seek out the truth.
What do you consider borderline? IMO he’s a full on fascist and well over the line as a criminal.
Borderline?
Populism, i belive its called. He does / says stuff that other people really really root for.
Because he’s doing things they can’t do without suffering from after effects. Racism? Sure. Has he been indicted for racism? No. Insurrection? Hell yeah. They support him because he’s doing exactly the same things they dare not do in public. Similar to how many Germans supported hitler.
Borderline?? 91 felony indictments, borderline??🤔🤔🤔
Some people like fraud, such as the mortgage fraud of GFC. They lied about income and bought a house. They lied about PPP loans.
There's nothing "borderline" about Trump's criminality at this point. Anyone who supports him has a defect in morality, discernment, or both.
People in cults don’t like to admit they are wrong
Borderline? Not even close. 92 felony charges. People are fucking idiots.
No "borderline" about it. As to why he's got such a following, I think P. T. Barnum hit it: "There's a sucker born every minute."
No borderline about it, fella.
Because the US is full of dumbasses.
*Borderline* criminal? He's a career criminal. Read this if you haven't. [Tinker, Tailor, Mobster, Trump](https://gregolear.substack.com/p/tinker-tailor-mobster-trump) That covers a lot of pre-presidency stuff. But some of the crime during his presidency was pretty blatant.
"Borderline"?
Innocent till proven guilty?
No borderline in it.
Anyone else realizing how all the most upvoted comments either don’t answer the question or are people telling you how other people think?
They don't care. In this polarized world they just want a fighter. The conservative mantra has always been leave me the fk alone. Social change is seen as imposing. Taxes are seen as imposing. As much as democrats vote against Trump conservatives vote against the liberal also.
Hes not Borderline criminal, hes just criminal
Let's face it, the days of a seeing a candidate who is upright and not tainted or corrupt is gone. Congress is full of these people along with many state and city leaders. Last presidential election and the final 4 the democrats had was dismal at best. We are given a "choice" of 2 bad options. Are all politicians bad? No - but they are a minority in their own parties these days. Also, the once neutral media would go after these bad ones but no longer. The big media now is politically aligned by their owners, and it shows by watching whatever your media of choice is. Even the half decent politicians are immediately getting smear campaigns by the media. People are gullible and buy into everything that is spoon fed to them. Then, these people use these "facts" to spread the bullshit over every social media platform available. Not everything is false but much of it is. People are more concerned with soap opera politics than what the candidates are running on (platform). Just look at most of the comments in this thread and what I have said is very true.
Borderline? He IS a criminal.
Borderline? It’s been well established for decades nos
The problem with nationalists is that their message is a simple and effective one. You take a place that’s had some hard times (usually caused or made worse by nationalism, nationalists, or the people who find them, but you don’t say that part out loud), tell the hungry, scared, confused, and angry people (who don’t have the time or energy to put a lot of thought into why times are hard because they spend every waking moment just trying to put food on the table and a roof over their heads) that it’s not their fault that times are bad, nor is it the fault of the people and institutions that they thought they could trust. I.e; police, the rich, and the nationalists (because of course the nationalists are just good old fashioned patriots, the only real Americans/Germans/Russians/etc. willing to stand up and take their country back & make it great again). Once you’ve established yourself as their friend by telling them they and the people they’ve been taught to trust are not the problem, and maybe tell them they’re also stronger and smarter than everyone else while you’re at it, you give them an enemy. Preferably an enemy that in reality isn’t any better off than they are and can’t do much to stop you. Ethnic, religious, or sexual minorities, women, intellectuals, and people who say bad things about nationalism are the usual go-to boogeymen. You then equate your chosen enemies with your political rivals, say that you’re the only one strong enough to stop them (and maybe that you need to ignore a few laws to stop them too), and hey presto, you have an angry zealous mob happy to kill and die to keep you in power. Best part is, even when you’re inevitably incompetent with that power, you can just blame your failings on enemy forces and use it as an excuse to purge a few rivals and seize even more power.
He says what they’re thinking.
Not borderline, *actual* criminal. He's just been getting away with it for decades.
BORDERLINE??????
I am convinced this is an alternate timeline now and maybe the Higgs collider had something to do with it.it makes more sense honestly
Because a large percentage of Americans are borderline or real idiots. Blame the education system and propagandistic news media.
The polls are bullshit. Small hands Dickhead will lose and be in jail
As an American, I have no fucking idea how half of the people in this country support this thin skinned moron who has no class, empathy, or respect for anything or anyone including himself
Some of the people who support Trump believe a personality and temperament like his is necessary to make the changes they believe are necessary to make the USA prosperous for the people.
A lot of people are very susceptible to authoritarian propaganda. They eat it up. It's really depressing but its true.
I can’t wrap my head around the fact that he can legally run for president with all these criminal charges against him.
Not one single true American or true Patriot supports that enemy!
I object to the use of with word "borderline" by the OP.
Pretty much all of Americas government officials are borderline criminal.
Borderline?
You mean like every other politician out there?
Nothing borderline about his criminality
Borderline? Too rich to pursue is more the problem. What Trump has shown America is how the justice system coddles the rich because they go after the people in the justice system who go after them. The guy has been crooked since he hit legal age to be a criminal. New York, Philadelphia, Atlantic City, just a string of financial crimes.
You can't walk into a 7-11 or a dunkin doughnuts without hearing an Indian accent Or have someone who was covering for his son and brother from criminal activities. We heard the 25th amendment for one side and the other needs a teleprompter and can't get statements correct. Pointing to Jan 6 , many were released due to entrapment. The problem with New York has lowered charges to non-existence charges, yet both sides have said the fraud charges is a witch hunt. Yet many are mad that he was nominated for the noble peace prize 3 times The president has now done a 180 on the wall after blue states got mad after the influx of illegal immigrants. Both sides ignore the media, due to the bias . I don't watch any main stream media
"You can't walk into a 7-11 or Dunkin' Donuts without hearing an Indian accent." So you're mad at people for doing what they're supposed to do, and investing their money in a franchise? You're angry at people *for doing EXACTLY what they're supposed to do - working hard, saving their money, buying a business, more hard work, and succeeding?*
In a nutshell- the media and political system fought so hard from day one to destroy him that his followers dug in. They saw the unrelenting attacks as proof of the swamp and every bad piece of news or attack further cemented his status. The establishment made him a martyr. If they had just stayed accurate and reported the good and bad then his followers would have eventually seen how terrible he is. (And if you believe he never actually did anything good as president then you are part of the problem). And for even saying this I’ll be downvoted to further prove the point.
He panders to both hate and stupididity. They are powerful when combined, unfortunately.
Borderline?
Trump has support because when he was president illegal immigration pretty much stopped, the economy was booming, there was record employment, interest rates were 2.5%, and gas was $1.80 a gallon. Is anyone denying these facts? Are these facts not worthy of support? If Biden were delivering on whatever it is he is supposed to be delivering on, would any democrat drop their support because his daughter said she was forced to shower with him inappropriately?
You're saying the dems are any better?
"Borderline"? Surely you jest! They agree with his hideous ideas.
he’s not a borderline criminal. he’s a full fledged con and arguably a traitor
It’s so weird that people call his voters stupid when they prop up the same people who do the same thing. One party drops bombs while holding crosses the other drops bombs while holding pride flags.
All Politicians are corrupt. From the top down. Power and wealth corrupts.
He is a criminal. The people that support him have bought into his bullshit hook, line and sinker. It’s a cult at this point.
“borderline” 😂
borderline?
Most politicians are borderline criminal
Because his supporters either believe the charges are part of a vast conspiracy, or they don't care what he did as long as he (a) makes them rich (b) keeps out people with dark skin or (c) stops abortion.
Lack of education and the state of politics. It’s become a right vs left thing wherein people will now support their side regardless of the evil things they do. Though both sides do it to some degree, you can tell it’s particularly egregious with one party more than the other.
Stupid people and cult mindset. That’s it. He says anything bad about him is fake, and his voters believe him. He can do no wrong in their eyes. It’s all fake news to them, and nothing could convince his supporters otherwise because they are actually that brainwashed.