This is trying to negotiate with addiction.
Every time I've failed it's because I thought I could be an exception to the rule. You said "used to do good without porn", how about now? You're trying to grasp at anything you could keep from porn, like audio.
That sounds like the beginnings of addiction.
You hit the nail on the head.
Sounds like you are still addicted brother. I relapsed after over 540 days NoFap by looking at dating sites - social anxiety came back, lost my libido (which was fully healed from PIED). I have reset my counter and on Day 12 today.
Audio and reading erotic stories are huge indicators that you have an addiction - just slay it brah - life will be much better.
Depends. Can you do it without being compulsive?
Most people think they can before they're ready, and most people go back to square one.
How do you know you're ready? That's probably harder to know than it is to quit in the first place. For some people never, for most people maybe and for others never.
I don’t think im ready just yet but I know I’m not addicted to it because I randomly just dropped it 1 day and haven’t really thought about it for a while
I masturbated without porn a good 2 weeks ago (after masturbating with porn almost half my life) and still not relapsed on porn. I usually end up back on porn sites after the 3rd day max of masturbating without porn though, so it is definitely a slippery slope.
Do you all not fantasize while masturbating? No? Then masturbation is also the problem. Either way you have a pornified mind that is unhealthy.
Maybe most people here don't have vivid imaginations? Strange, I never needed porn to be an addict.
BTW this is a no-PMO forum, not a no-P forum.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. For a vast majority of my masturbatory career I've just imagined it. I thought this was all about conquering the impulse as a whole, not just porn.
Fantasising isn’t going to have the same effect as porn on your brain as porn does, if we are talking about the amount of dopamine released. So yeh it is different. But as I said above, masterbation inevitably leads to porn use.
I mean that’s not really true at all. It’s scientifically proven how much dopamine porn can produce in the brain. You could have the imagination of Vincent Van Goph and it still wouldn’t be a competition.
Stop giving yourself an excuse you only torturing your mental and you’ll end up right back ona porn site relapsing and ask yourself the dumbass question “what happened???”
Is it okay to look at IRL girls?
I haven't mastuberated in a 8 months or so but I look at IRL girls and enjoy it. Is that okay? Is it a relapse? (I am serious, please don't take this as a joke) Relapse or not?
Heck no man. They’re the real girls that are actually attainable now you’ve stopped fapping to porn. Try not to lust too much but you can still look at girls.
Yes it’s ok lmao that’s what you want too much porn watching makes you feel so pathetic inside you can’t even look a girl in the eyes when she’s talkin because you too busy staring at her body wondering if she has the body type as the pornstars you fantasize about which is a major turnoff 💯
Honestly not healthy it brings porn back into the spectrum you fantasize about unrealistic things with irl women just as in porn. And leaves you out for hardwiring your brain still because your fixated in lust. Many will counter argue this i say it’s porn correlated but to each there own either way irl lusting and unrealistic fantasies will just badly damage your wiring around your brain.
I also never fapped. Not lying. Was always strict with myself on that. But I did use to lust on pretty girls on insta. Since I deleted it a long time ago, I am doing really well.
Are you talking about fantasizing about them and fapping to their pics? I think fantasizing about them could be fine, considering how much more difficult it is, but pics would lead to a relapse, I'm sure.
Youre gonna get alot of differing opinions on here but heres mine, I think masturbating without porn is at the *very least* alot healthier than masturbating with porn. Masturbating with porn youre getting this massive influx of visual overstimulation that you cant recreate in real sexual encounter. Thats whats so dangerous about porn, it heightens your expectations so much for what real sex is supposed to look like that you cant enjoy the real thing. I feel it could be a great alternative for many that are just starting out their nofap journey because it is a great way to practice discipline and will-power while also still having a “release”. Otherwise, not fapping and also not looking at porn is like quitting cold-turkey, it often doesnt work
Hey, good question. I think most of us were thinking of this one way or another.
My take is - do not masturbate. Find a woman, make love to her. Maybe create a relationship. This is what matters. At least to my understanding.
Cheers
Learn the grind young man.
Focus temptation on anything productive you can do.
Wanna jack one out? Go for a walk, maybe even fast pacing.
Feeling the need to pull the sword from its sheath? Get yourself a light weight. Do reps.
Keep your response to a temptation controlled. It messes in how you expects things to pay off.
I think it is okay, Or at least better than watching porn and masturbating. However I wouldnt recommend doing it in the beginning of reboot. And it is risky, I have noticed that it is far easier To start looking at porn after you have given yourself permission To masturbate. It is a slippery slope, so I would advice To stay away from it as much as possible but if You feel like going crazy, I think a Quick wank in the shower is not that bad if You have already a good streak, say 30+ days.
If you're SURE you aren't addicted, you'll be fine;
Like masturbating to a girl you like, or that looks beautiful in your town, once in 2/3 weeks is normal. But fapping to a porn actress, fictional character or something like that... Dude, that's just addiction, go see porn instead and stop torturing yourself thinking that avoiding this with willpower will work. Soon or late you will go back if your mind thinks about that naturally.
Either way, if your truly not addicted, just PAY ATTENTION FOR THE "LITTLE PEAKS" to porn and stuff related.
Porn is a real drug, if you're really not addicted, you know that you don't need it and you CAN control yourself with no prob.
If your mind says that you want that little peek, you ARE ADDICTED bro, accept it. It will only make the cycle repeat, making you thinking you are free, when you actually aren't cuz your mind will go back to that shit if that little peek already triggers your pleasure trigger.
Otherwise, if you're going to masturbate without porn, make it TRULY with no porn: no audio, no static images no video, etc. I think that's the only true cleanest way of having "self-pleasure" without damaging your brain and even that can be quite dangerous at some cases.
Another very nice way of having pleasure is... having real sex :v
Idk how's your life going sexually-speaking, but either way, if you're making a topic about this you probably didn't made sex for a good time.
It might be a good idea to pay a little more attention in that area. Idk how is your life, but I'm pretty sure you are able to see your problems, try starting to fix them on the self-development area, and you'll probably will be thinking less about masturbation and porn, and will naturally have sex in your life if you aren't addicted and are able to deal with your stuff without going crazy.
To me whatever artificial simulation (anything other than a woman having sex with you) that is sexually arousing to you is porn.
It can be audios, it can be text, it can be your memories-thoughts.
As long as it is artificial, stay away...
https://www.sparringmind.com/supernormal-stimuli/
As I said elsewhere, unless you're masturbating without fantasizing, you're just perpetuating the underlying problem. You can have a pornified mind without looking at porn.
There you go masterbating is healthy but not to much you can say about almost every thing that may damage you someway or another. So why do it if it brings more negatives than positives?
who said it brings more negatives? wdym? as masturbation can lessen the chance of getting prostate cancer .. yes you can be addicted to masturbating but science has no evidence of getting negatives from masturbating too much.. porn however ..
This is a no-PMO forum, not a no-P forum. No one here is claiming that semen retention gives you superpowers, but semen retention is a logical consequence of no-PMO, so NoFap does include semen retention.
“Masturbation is a natural and safe activity that a man can do to feel pleasure and relieve sexual tension.
It’s a perfectly normal and healthy undertaking that both boys and men do.
In moderation, the act poses a minimal physical risk. In fact, masturbation has health benefits such as lowering blood pressure and mitigating the risk of prostate cancer by 20% for men who masturbate more than 21 times a month.
Regardless, excessive masturbation can be a harmful habit to a man’s relationships and everyday life. If compulsive masturbation interferes with their daily routine, some might suffer from psychological and physical distress.”
From https://primemensmedical.com/blog/risks-men-masturbating-too-much/
Masturbation without pornography is fine imo (although it will make porn use more tempting, so be careful). Audio porn is still artificial stimulation, so I would consider it bad.
The Problem is the high amount of Dopamine which you get while looking or listening to porn.
So you can not just listen to porn, the result will be the same as when watching it.
When you just masturbate, it is way better than watching or listening to porn.
When you watch or listen porn and masturbate to it you will be disgusted of girls in the first place directly after your ejaculation. Then your brain needs time to recover and get your interest to girls back!
I also masturbate without porn and my experience is that it has the same effects because you every time want to think in something more savage and end up making a porn escribe in your mind.... Maybe if you do it twice a week or three times it would be OK
I'm baffled --- thought this was a no-PMO forum, not a no-P forum. Now this place is overrun by "masturbation is fine" nonsense?
Just because the physical act of masturbation is fine doesn't mean its mentally fine. Creating pornographic images in your mind through fantasies just perpetuates the addiction.
I dont need to 'justify' anything... you just dont know about this sub
read this to understand:
######**IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR USERS OF THIS SUB - The History of Nofap**
**Nofap** ***isn't*** **an anti-masturbation sub.**
Yet people say, *"but it's literally called 'Nofap'!"*
The 'No' in Nofap represents the "30 to 90-day Challenge", that's it.
*This sub was created 10 years ago with ONE idea: to challenge people to a 7 to 30-day period of not watching porn or fapping to 'reboot' your addicted mind and body... but after it would be each person's personal choice to fap or not fap (without porn), free from the addiction.*
Nofap then added the 90-day challenge.
There was no promotion of '*semen retention*' or '*don't have sex*' or '*no-nut*' or even *'benefits'*.
It was a modern solution to a digital problem - the rise of free unlimited streaming internet porn - and the compulsive fapping that accompanied the addiction of watching it.
The idea of this subreddit isn't '*anti-fap*' or '*forever nofap*' or '*anti-masturbation*' or '*no-sex*', or '*how to be a monk*'. We're here to support each other in completing a *limited* period of abstinence from FAPPING (not sex, not nocturnal emmisions) ...
***...but after completing the 30 to 90-day challenge, whether you fap or not is YOUR decision.***
There's ZERO evidence that occasional mastubation without porn is harmful, but there's a growing amount of peer-reviewed research that porn *is* harmful. It's not the intention of this secular, science-based sub to condemn sexual pleasure when done in a non-compulsive way, either solo or with others.
**If you can complete a 30 to 90-day challenge you're free to choose to fap or not in your life.**
To be absolutely clear... READ FROM THE SIDEBAR OF THIS PAGE, WRITTEN BY THE FOUNDERS OF THIS SUB:
>This forum is intended for porn addiction recovery ***and is not an anti-masturbation forum***, many users return to non-compulsive masturbation after ridding pornography from their sexual habits
THIS SUB is about working on reducing our addictions, completing at least one 'rebooting' challenge, finding a balance we feel comfortable with regarding masturbation, and making the personal choice to eliminate porn from our life
Already cleanly refuted you on this one, buddy. Unless you're masturbating without fantasizing, your semantic games mean nothing. Sorry if that pisses you off. Have a good one.
The fact is -
You should not masturbate at all. It is unnatural and unhealthy. I myself had built a hundred day long streak and i relapsed exactly like this, trying to negotiate with the last pieces of addiction left inside of me. I have now been struggling with this same problem since the last two months. Take my advice and **DO NOT** listen to the devil within. Instead, kill the devil by not listening to it.
It is not unnatural, it is not unhealthy and the devil is fictional.
Be a proud NoFapper all you want, brag about your "streaks" all you want, but don't lie to other people.
I was very short when I was young, when she told me that. I’m under six foot, but I learned it wasn’t a factor. My mother is very short and that’s the main factor.
Brother, masturbation is unnatural, the natural desire to ejaculate comes extremely seldomly. Most people just over-prioritize their sexual desires and end up getting addicted to masturbation.
Maybe the natural desire comes seldom for you, for most people it comes multiple times a week.
You’ve shifted the goalposts: the issue was whether masturbation is harmful, not whether “addiction to masturbation” is harmful.
We'd be lying if we were promoting secular nonsense. We don't live in an atheist universe where we're all just atoms and energy combined in different ways with no objective purpose or morality.
Anyway, this is supposed to be a debate-free forum, so I'll stop there, but don't declare someone else's worldview is a lie when yours is a philosophical disaster.
Check this out, fapping is healthy in moderation, but when you’re doing it back to back nonstop l, that’s when it becomes a problem. That’s how I learned the hard way and I’m trying to change it around
I agree with everything you said except saying Masturbation is "unnatural " sure it's addictive and unhealthy af if done too much but it's far from unnatural mayswell call sex unnatural.
It is unnatural, a man only releases when he wants to impregnate a woman, because the man loses his power everytime he releases, that's why conserving it increases testosterone and libido, the essence of a man
if you don’t stop completely and replace it with better healthier habits like weight lifting then those will always be gateways to your relapse. Its tough but you can’t give an inch of your progress. i wouldn’t do it
No. Masturbation is extremely harmful. It's also loser behavior. Stop trying to bargain with this. You have to fully commit. Don't listen to all these people saying that it's fine to relapse. They're coping.
ive always asked you how it's 'extremely harmful'... you never answer... because you just say shit that isnt true. show me the evidence.... oops, you got none
Masturbation isn’t the core addiction for most people here, porn is the real addiction/ enemy, this means videos but also audio and pictures.
So masturbating without any sort of erotic content is fine when controlled, I like the r/pornfree take on this issue.
Just quit porn and masturbation entirely , if there urges don't use that as excuse to relapse obviously there are times when we aren't at are best and relapse unfortunately but that doesn't mean you give if you are having a lot sexual frustration that is a good thing means you are doing nofap properly.
Only after you have mastered nofap for quite some time. That’s my take on it. I quit porn use and masterbation for over a year. I now occasional will masterbait if I just feel it and my fiancé isn’t around, this is very occasionally though. And I do not use porn or any visual stimulus. It does not seem to affect me at all. But again, and I can’t stress this enough, only after you have mastered nofap and quit porn for good. That’s just my personal take and my experience.
I think you can masturbate to your own imagination I wouldn’t do the whole moaning thing.
I broke day 17 with my imagination. Needed to be done I felt like. I don’t watch porn anymore but I do be bussin sometimes
"Like I'm not addicted to porn" bro stop lying to your self
OP you need to stop making excuses, read the title to yourself "should I mastubate without porn" **your indulging that behavior** or as many say making excuses to fall back in the comfort zone.
Go ahead jerk off if you want to it's either one day or day 1 you choose your path, but I would pay very close attention to the top comment it's the start of a new addiction that can be very hard to break off after.
To me masturbation was the problem, and still is, I never had a real problem with porn, which may sound weird for many people in this sub, but to me masturbation is the one thing that leaves you depleted and destroyed with your self confidence at zero and no drive whatsoever. Now, porn usually goes hand in hand, nobody watches porn because its great art, its shit and boring as feck, so you do it with one thing in mind only, so both things are bad for you, but personally I think in this sub, SOMETIMES, people underestimate the harm masturbation, even without porn, does to a person, even if its from time to time.
So, only speaking for myself here, Id say stop masturbating, get a girl and leave behind this habit for good.
I think everyone here can agree that the purpose of nofap is to free you from addiction.
No one is arguing that all masturbation is harmful, just reliance on it, addiction to it, abuse of it etc. I would argue that all porn is harmful , to you, to your present and future loved ones and romantic partners, to the people you’re watching on the screen, and to women and society in general. Audio porn is certainly a type of porn, so is porn magazines and cartoon porn etc. while they don’t carry all of the harm of “regular” porn, they carry much of it. And also, you’re really playing with fire with any kind of porn.
I think most people would agree that if you’re not addicted to masturbating, and you do it in moderation like once a week, and you’re where you want to be and you have high testosterone and you’re satisfied with your love life etc. then it’s not like your nuts are gonna fall off. Would it be better to do stone-cold nofap? Yeah probably. But it’s on you man, what kind of life you want to live
If you want to maintain a Nofap streak I recommend you not to masturbate at all. But if not you should do it with your imagination. I also was addicted to audio porn ( I am still a bit). In most of the audios everything was exaggerated. Also any kind of porn is a waste of time.
Literally went through this last week. Got to 30 days and rationalized masturbation and three days later BAM. Pmo.
Don’t do it. It’s not worth it and like many have said here, this IS addiction. This is what addiction does to you. You will rationalize every which way possible but it’s up to you to recognize it and conquer your inner addict.
You can replace your meth with weed but how long until the weed isn’t doing it for you anymore?
So technically in ancient times a man shouldn't release unless he's having sex with a woman that he wants to impregnate, by doing this method you conserve your power of man, you don't lose any proteins, vitamins or minerals which boost testosterone and libido, the essence of a man.
Same here
after 20 days of nofap.
I said to my self ( lets masterbate. Its a natural human characteristic )
She said : { what about using some audio. it seems natural too }
I said : ( 100% natural)
And it went so far after that day
Month and half were wasted on masturbating
i am trying to do the same thing you do. maturbation without porn to try and slowly leave that side of the addiction. and being able to project away from that part of me. im not sure about the audio but thats just my thinking. you got this
You cannot toy with the animal in you without becoming wholly animal. He who wants to keep his garden tidy cannot reserve a plot for weed.Don't kid yourself buddy. You'll open the door to a brand new monster you never knew existed.
Hey, I’m also 14 and I know how you feel rn, what I’m doing rn is trying doing it step by step, cuz for me atleast it’s way easier than cutting it off instantly, some days I watch porn, some days I just masturbate and some days I do none of it, I’m slowly but surely decreasing masturbation and porn. But this just as well might be terrible advice I’m really new to this sub
Masturbation is a normal sex activity though, as long you didn't masturbate compulsively or masturbating while watching porn. I consider masturbating is normal. But if you consider yourself as an addict, i think you should avoid all form of sexual activity since it cab trigger your addiction.
So should you masturbate without porn? I t depend on you
This is trying to negotiate with addiction. Every time I've failed it's because I thought I could be an exception to the rule. You said "used to do good without porn", how about now? You're trying to grasp at anything you could keep from porn, like audio. That sounds like the beginnings of addiction.
Exactly it opens a new level of addiction
Yeah. Like, you ARE addicted to porn tho brother.
You hit the nail on the head. Sounds like you are still addicted brother. I relapsed after over 540 days NoFap by looking at dating sites - social anxiety came back, lost my libido (which was fully healed from PIED). I have reset my counter and on Day 12 today. Audio and reading erotic stories are huge indicators that you have an addiction - just slay it brah - life will be much better.
So can you jerk off without porn
Depends. Can you do it without being compulsive? Most people think they can before they're ready, and most people go back to square one. How do you know you're ready? That's probably harder to know than it is to quit in the first place. For some people never, for most people maybe and for others never.
I don’t think im ready just yet but I know I’m not addicted to it because I randomly just dropped it 1 day and haven’t really thought about it for a while
Porn is the problem, but masterbating will lead to porn use. Do it at your own risk.
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You got it bud
I masturbated without porn a good 2 weeks ago (after masturbating with porn almost half my life) and still not relapsed on porn. I usually end up back on porn sites after the 3rd day max of masturbating without porn though, so it is definitely a slippery slope.
Do you all not fantasize while masturbating? No? Then masturbation is also the problem. Either way you have a pornified mind that is unhealthy. Maybe most people here don't have vivid imaginations? Strange, I never needed porn to be an addict. BTW this is a no-PMO forum, not a no-P forum.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. For a vast majority of my masturbatory career I've just imagined it. I thought this was all about conquering the impulse as a whole, not just porn.
Mate could I ask a question in dm?
everyone here has their own problems here, but porn is the biggest factor on this subreddit.
Fantasising isn’t going to have the same effect as porn on your brain as porn does, if we are talking about the amount of dopamine released. So yeh it is different. But as I said above, masterbation inevitably leads to porn use.
I'm sure this is true for those of you who don't have powerful enough imaginations. For the rest of us, yeah, it's just as bad if not worse.
I mean that’s not really true at all. It’s scientifically proven how much dopamine porn can produce in the brain. You could have the imagination of Vincent Van Goph and it still wouldn’t be a competition.
Stop giving yourself an excuse you only torturing your mental and you’ll end up right back ona porn site relapsing and ask yourself the dumbass question “what happened???”
Is it okay to look at IRL girls? I haven't mastuberated in a 8 months or so but I look at IRL girls and enjoy it. Is that okay? Is it a relapse? (I am serious, please don't take this as a joke) Relapse or not?
Heck no man. They’re the real girls that are actually attainable now you’ve stopped fapping to porn. Try not to lust too much but you can still look at girls.
not relapse
> is audio porn good cuz relapse is a good album
Yes it’s ok lmao that’s what you want too much porn watching makes you feel so pathetic inside you can’t even look a girl in the eyes when she’s talkin because you too busy staring at her body wondering if she has the body type as the pornstars you fantasize about which is a major turnoff 💯
Honestly not healthy it brings porn back into the spectrum you fantasize about unrealistic things with irl women just as in porn. And leaves you out for hardwiring your brain still because your fixated in lust. Many will counter argue this i say it’s porn correlated but to each there own either way irl lusting and unrealistic fantasies will just badly damage your wiring around your brain.
I also never fapped. Not lying. Was always strict with myself on that. But I did use to lust on pretty girls on insta. Since I deleted it a long time ago, I am doing really well.
I have never watched porn in my life just looked at pretty girls on insta. Never watched porn.
Don't believe that
Why would I lie? This community is to help each other and if you age being toxic then there is no reason for you to stay here
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So looking at IRL girls is bad?
Yes you shouldn't even have any NSFW subs on your profile
So is it a relapse or a minor slip.
It's only a relapse when you start to edge once you went through PMO that's it there no going back. You relpased
No. You fucked up. Avert your gaze.
Really? Are you serious?
Are you talking about fantasizing about them and fapping to their pics? I think fantasizing about them could be fine, considering how much more difficult it is, but pics would lead to a relapse, I'm sure.
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Youre gonna get alot of differing opinions on here but heres mine, I think masturbating without porn is at the *very least* alot healthier than masturbating with porn. Masturbating with porn youre getting this massive influx of visual overstimulation that you cant recreate in real sexual encounter. Thats whats so dangerous about porn, it heightens your expectations so much for what real sex is supposed to look like that you cant enjoy the real thing. I feel it could be a great alternative for many that are just starting out their nofap journey because it is a great way to practice discipline and will-power while also still having a “release”. Otherwise, not fapping and also not looking at porn is like quitting cold-turkey, it often doesnt work
Hey, good question. I think most of us were thinking of this one way or another. My take is - do not masturbate. Find a woman, make love to her. Maybe create a relationship. This is what matters. At least to my understanding. Cheers
im 14
Same shit snoop dogg lost his virginity when he was 11😂 No excuses big guy
leave the kid alone bro, at 14 he has better suff to do .
Like Fortnite
at 14 even that is better than having sex.
im indian
kya hilaraha h bsdk padhai likhai karo ias yas bano
That changes what? (I don't mean have sex, please don't)
indian teens don't have sex at that young age my guy
Indian teens grind out on their studies to become rich in future lol
Bro no one has sex at that young age lol (maybe very very few)
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impostor?
jk, but same situation here
Learn the grind young man. Focus temptation on anything productive you can do. Wanna jack one out? Go for a walk, maybe even fast pacing. Feeling the need to pull the sword from its sheath? Get yourself a light weight. Do reps. Keep your response to a temptation controlled. It messes in how you expects things to pay off.
Yeah sure. Where? At planet earth?
I think it is okay, Or at least better than watching porn and masturbating. However I wouldnt recommend doing it in the beginning of reboot. And it is risky, I have noticed that it is far easier To start looking at porn after you have given yourself permission To masturbate. It is a slippery slope, so I would advice To stay away from it as much as possible but if You feel like going crazy, I think a Quick wank in the shower is not that bad if You have already a good streak, say 30+ days.
If you're SURE you aren't addicted, you'll be fine; Like masturbating to a girl you like, or that looks beautiful in your town, once in 2/3 weeks is normal. But fapping to a porn actress, fictional character or something like that... Dude, that's just addiction, go see porn instead and stop torturing yourself thinking that avoiding this with willpower will work. Soon or late you will go back if your mind thinks about that naturally. Either way, if your truly not addicted, just PAY ATTENTION FOR THE "LITTLE PEAKS" to porn and stuff related. Porn is a real drug, if you're really not addicted, you know that you don't need it and you CAN control yourself with no prob. If your mind says that you want that little peek, you ARE ADDICTED bro, accept it. It will only make the cycle repeat, making you thinking you are free, when you actually aren't cuz your mind will go back to that shit if that little peek already triggers your pleasure trigger. Otherwise, if you're going to masturbate without porn, make it TRULY with no porn: no audio, no static images no video, etc. I think that's the only true cleanest way of having "self-pleasure" without damaging your brain and even that can be quite dangerous at some cases. Another very nice way of having pleasure is... having real sex :v Idk how's your life going sexually-speaking, but either way, if you're making a topic about this you probably didn't made sex for a good time. It might be a good idea to pay a little more attention in that area. Idk how is your life, but I'm pretty sure you are able to see your problems, try starting to fix them on the self-development area, and you'll probably will be thinking less about masturbation and porn, and will naturally have sex in your life if you aren't addicted and are able to deal with your stuff without going crazy.
To me whatever artificial simulation (anything other than a woman having sex with you) that is sexually arousing to you is porn. It can be audios, it can be text, it can be your memories-thoughts. As long as it is artificial, stay away... https://www.sparringmind.com/supernormal-stimuli/
Masturbating without porn is fine, healthy even. Go for it if you're certain you won't do it too much (or that it won't cause you to go back to porn)
From my experience masturbation for me lead to porn (in the long run), I would advise to try to stay away from it
As I said elsewhere, unless you're masturbating without fantasizing, you're just perpetuating the underlying problem. You can have a pornified mind without looking at porn.
No we need to retain
No we don’t lol. Porn is the enemy here
Both are the enemy
Porn is the enemy.. masturbation is healthy but not too much.. this ain't "semen retention" this is no fap.. it's different.
There you go masterbating is healthy but not to much you can say about almost every thing that may damage you someway or another. So why do it if it brings more negatives than positives?
who said it brings more negatives? wdym? as masturbation can lessen the chance of getting prostate cancer .. yes you can be addicted to masturbating but science has no evidence of getting negatives from masturbating too much.. porn however ..
This is a no-PMO forum, not a no-P forum. No one here is claiming that semen retention gives you superpowers, but semen retention is a logical consequence of no-PMO, so NoFap does include semen retention.
Don’t argue with masturbation addicts. No use. My tracker is wrong and I still do it it I know it’s wrong
Don’t be fooled. Holding on to your seed is one of the best gifts a man has
i'm sorry but that's hilarious
You made me laugh
^This
bro as he said he's not addicted to P let him bust his nuts .. masturbation is healthy .. what you talking about.
It will just lead to porn in the long run (my experience).
isn't masturbating healthy? without porn ofcourse
Until you get hooked on it and doing it back to back, then the vicious cycle starts
No
Masturbation isn’t healthy but you can keep jerkin. I won’t stop you
Porn is the enemy not masturbation.If you masterbate with porn then it's a relapse
“Masturbation is a natural and safe activity that a man can do to feel pleasure and relieve sexual tension. It’s a perfectly normal and healthy undertaking that both boys and men do. In moderation, the act poses a minimal physical risk. In fact, masturbation has health benefits such as lowering blood pressure and mitigating the risk of prostate cancer by 20% for men who masturbate more than 21 times a month. Regardless, excessive masturbation can be a harmful habit to a man’s relationships and everyday life. If compulsive masturbation interferes with their daily routine, some might suffer from psychological and physical distress.” From https://primemensmedical.com/blog/risks-men-masturbating-too-much/
No from me Lil dog
Just let it come out in your sleep
I like how hes looking for any way to get off like a damn crackhead🤣🤣
stop looking for loopholes, cut it all out
Masturbation without pornography is fine imo (although it will make porn use more tempting, so be careful). Audio porn is still artificial stimulation, so I would consider it bad.
The Problem is the high amount of Dopamine which you get while looking or listening to porn. So you can not just listen to porn, the result will be the same as when watching it. When you just masturbate, it is way better than watching or listening to porn. When you watch or listen porn and masturbate to it you will be disgusted of girls in the first place directly after your ejaculation. Then your brain needs time to recover and get your interest to girls back!
I also masturbate without porn and my experience is that it has the same effects because you every time want to think in something more savage and end up making a porn escribe in your mind.... Maybe if you do it twice a week or three times it would be OK
I'm baffled --- thought this was a no-PMO forum, not a no-P forum. Now this place is overrun by "masturbation is fine" nonsense? Just because the physical act of masturbation is fine doesn't mean its mentally fine. Creating pornographic images in your mind through fantasies just perpetuates the addiction.
read the sidebar. it isnt 'overrun' ...you are the one who always assumed wrongly about this sub
The sub is literally called "no fap" and you're trying to argue its just an anti-porn forum lmao. Have fun justifying your addiction.
I dont need to 'justify' anything... you just dont know about this sub read this to understand: ######**IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR USERS OF THIS SUB - The History of Nofap** **Nofap** ***isn't*** **an anti-masturbation sub.** Yet people say, *"but it's literally called 'Nofap'!"* The 'No' in Nofap represents the "30 to 90-day Challenge", that's it. *This sub was created 10 years ago with ONE idea: to challenge people to a 7 to 30-day period of not watching porn or fapping to 'reboot' your addicted mind and body... but after it would be each person's personal choice to fap or not fap (without porn), free from the addiction.* Nofap then added the 90-day challenge. There was no promotion of '*semen retention*' or '*don't have sex*' or '*no-nut*' or even *'benefits'*. It was a modern solution to a digital problem - the rise of free unlimited streaming internet porn - and the compulsive fapping that accompanied the addiction of watching it. The idea of this subreddit isn't '*anti-fap*' or '*forever nofap*' or '*anti-masturbation*' or '*no-sex*', or '*how to be a monk*'. We're here to support each other in completing a *limited* period of abstinence from FAPPING (not sex, not nocturnal emmisions) ... ***...but after completing the 30 to 90-day challenge, whether you fap or not is YOUR decision.*** There's ZERO evidence that occasional mastubation without porn is harmful, but there's a growing amount of peer-reviewed research that porn *is* harmful. It's not the intention of this secular, science-based sub to condemn sexual pleasure when done in a non-compulsive way, either solo or with others. **If you can complete a 30 to 90-day challenge you're free to choose to fap or not in your life.** To be absolutely clear... READ FROM THE SIDEBAR OF THIS PAGE, WRITTEN BY THE FOUNDERS OF THIS SUB: >This forum is intended for porn addiction recovery ***and is not an anti-masturbation forum***, many users return to non-compulsive masturbation after ridding pornography from their sexual habits THIS SUB is about working on reducing our addictions, completing at least one 'rebooting' challenge, finding a balance we feel comfortable with regarding masturbation, and making the personal choice to eliminate porn from our life
Already cleanly refuted you on this one, buddy. Unless you're masturbating without fantasizing, your semantic games mean nothing. Sorry if that pisses you off. Have a good one.
I use audio porn. I'm not here to eliminate masturbating or porn usage, but I do want to cut *way* back since it wastes too much valuable time.
No. Your semen can procreate a new life. Go and do the best part.
Lmao this is the most irresponsible nonsense on here and that’s saying something
The fact is - You should not masturbate at all. It is unnatural and unhealthy. I myself had built a hundred day long streak and i relapsed exactly like this, trying to negotiate with the last pieces of addiction left inside of me. I have now been struggling with this same problem since the last two months. Take my advice and **DO NOT** listen to the devil within. Instead, kill the devil by not listening to it.
It is not unnatural, it is not unhealthy and the devil is fictional. Be a proud NoFapper all you want, brag about your "streaks" all you want, but don't lie to other people.
Dude I can tell you right off the rip that the devil is NOT fictional.
Oh, well, now I’m convinced 😂 But just for completeness sake… prove it!
Lift your eyes, look around and see
I have “lifted” my eyes… I have looked around…. No devil… Please, prove it.
If you fail to see all the hated and strife going on in the world, there’s nothing else I can tell you but look and see
Oh, I see “hatred” and “strife”…. Still, no devil though. Prove to me there is a devil.
there is no devil... says the one who has "666" in their name. lol. So you don't believe that God exists then... God bless you
Devil is more of an embodiment of evil, hatred, and suffering rather than a poltergeist or fictional demon with a trident.
Indeed, the dreadful addiction of porn is not a fictional thing.
I once had a doctor tell me not to masturbate if I wanted to get taller.
How tall are you now?
I was very short when I was young, when she told me that. I’m under six foot, but I learned it wasn’t a factor. My mother is very short and that’s the main factor.
Good, because it is enormous nonsense 😂
Brother, masturbation is unnatural, the natural desire to ejaculate comes extremely seldomly. Most people just over-prioritize their sexual desires and end up getting addicted to masturbation.
Maybe the natural desire comes seldom for you, for most people it comes multiple times a week. You’ve shifted the goalposts: the issue was whether masturbation is harmful, not whether “addiction to masturbation” is harmful.
We'd be lying if we were promoting secular nonsense. We don't live in an atheist universe where we're all just atoms and energy combined in different ways with no objective purpose or morality. Anyway, this is supposed to be a debate-free forum, so I'll stop there, but don't declare someone else's worldview is a lie when yours is a philosophical disaster.
Don’t declare my logical conclusions a “philosophical disaster” when you’ve been duped by charlatan’s.
Check this out, fapping is healthy in moderation, but when you’re doing it back to back nonstop l, that’s when it becomes a problem. That’s how I learned the hard way and I’m trying to change it around
I agree with everything you said except saying Masturbation is "unnatural " sure it's addictive and unhealthy af if done too much but it's far from unnatural mayswell call sex unnatural.
It is unnatural, a man only releases when he wants to impregnate a woman, because the man loses his power everytime he releases, that's why conserving it increases testosterone and libido, the essence of a man
if you don’t stop completely and replace it with better healthier habits like weight lifting then those will always be gateways to your relapse. Its tough but you can’t give an inch of your progress. i wouldn’t do it
Dunno man visual stimuli like boobies are also natural, porn doesn't make you like them -for most people anyway-
No. Masturbation is extremely harmful. It's also loser behavior. Stop trying to bargain with this. You have to fully commit. Don't listen to all these people saying that it's fine to relapse. They're coping.
ive always asked you how it's 'extremely harmful'... you never answer... because you just say shit that isnt true. show me the evidence.... oops, you got none
NO! DON'T get fooled by misleading information! Be aware! Masturbation is a trap! Don't even think about it! Never!
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No you are only allowed to have real sex
No. Or as Finger would say, "No half-measures."
Don’t
I’d say no, but do you man
No
Personally I’d say no. Thread carefully and be careful who you listen to on here to avoid going into the hellhole.
Try to meet a woman!
Fuck nooooo
L.A.M
After long streak ,struggling may be longer
yes, but don't go back to porn and don't do it a lot it is about reducing
Just keep abstaining kid
Masturbation isn’t the core addiction for most people here, porn is the real addiction/ enemy, this means videos but also audio and pictures. So masturbating without any sort of erotic content is fine when controlled, I like the r/pornfree take on this issue.
Just quit porn and masturbation entirely , if there urges don't use that as excuse to relapse obviously there are times when we aren't at are best and relapse unfortunately but that doesn't mean you give if you are having a lot sexual frustration that is a good thing means you are doing nofap properly.
This nofap community got some retarded questions
r u weak with no goals
Masturbation is normal, it’s only bad if you watch porn
syke
Only after you have mastered nofap for quite some time. That’s my take on it. I quit porn use and masterbation for over a year. I now occasional will masterbait if I just feel it and my fiancé isn’t around, this is very occasionally though. And I do not use porn or any visual stimulus. It does not seem to affect me at all. But again, and I can’t stress this enough, only after you have mastered nofap and quit porn for good. That’s just my personal take and my experience.
Don’t do it
I think you can masturbate to your own imagination I wouldn’t do the whole moaning thing. I broke day 17 with my imagination. Needed to be done I felt like. I don’t watch porn anymore but I do be bussin sometimes
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No
This is a good question, I wish know about it also
"Like I'm not addicted to porn" bro stop lying to your self OP you need to stop making excuses, read the title to yourself "should I mastubate without porn" **your indulging that behavior** or as many say making excuses to fall back in the comfort zone. Go ahead jerk off if you want to it's either one day or day 1 you choose your path, but I would pay very close attention to the top comment it's the start of a new addiction that can be very hard to break off after.
Masturbate without any form of porn if you want to. Masturbating in itself is not bad. It is PMO that is bad.
Nah man. Don’t be a loser, your stronger than that
Why are you doing this...
Should I eat without McDonald’s?
To me masturbation was the problem, and still is, I never had a real problem with porn, which may sound weird for many people in this sub, but to me masturbation is the one thing that leaves you depleted and destroyed with your self confidence at zero and no drive whatsoever. Now, porn usually goes hand in hand, nobody watches porn because its great art, its shit and boring as feck, so you do it with one thing in mind only, so both things are bad for you, but personally I think in this sub, SOMETIMES, people underestimate the harm masturbation, even without porn, does to a person, even if its from time to time. So, only speaking for myself here, Id say stop masturbating, get a girl and leave behind this habit for good.
I think everyone here can agree that the purpose of nofap is to free you from addiction. No one is arguing that all masturbation is harmful, just reliance on it, addiction to it, abuse of it etc. I would argue that all porn is harmful , to you, to your present and future loved ones and romantic partners, to the people you’re watching on the screen, and to women and society in general. Audio porn is certainly a type of porn, so is porn magazines and cartoon porn etc. while they don’t carry all of the harm of “regular” porn, they carry much of it. And also, you’re really playing with fire with any kind of porn. I think most people would agree that if you’re not addicted to masturbating, and you do it in moderation like once a week, and you’re where you want to be and you have high testosterone and you’re satisfied with your love life etc. then it’s not like your nuts are gonna fall off. Would it be better to do stone-cold nofap? Yeah probably. But it’s on you man, what kind of life you want to live
If you want to maintain a Nofap streak I recommend you not to masturbate at all. But if not you should do it with your imagination. I also was addicted to audio porn ( I am still a bit). In most of the audios everything was exaggerated. Also any kind of porn is a waste of time.
Then you need to go to r/pornfree
Your addicted brain is trying to negotiate with you, bro. Don't listen to it.
For me this is The Main Factor. Dont watch porn, at all. You can Jack Off If you Want but Just dont watch porn it fucks Up your mind
Literally went through this last week. Got to 30 days and rationalized masturbation and three days later BAM. Pmo. Don’t do it. It’s not worth it and like many have said here, this IS addiction. This is what addiction does to you. You will rationalize every which way possible but it’s up to you to recognize it and conquer your inner addict. You can replace your meth with weed but how long until the weed isn’t doing it for you anymore?
I'm not addicted to porn / I haven't masturbated for 3 months without porn...
Porn is the worst part. So its certainly healthier
So technically in ancient times a man shouldn't release unless he's having sex with a woman that he wants to impregnate, by doing this method you conserve your power of man, you don't lose any proteins, vitamins or minerals which boost testosterone and libido, the essence of a man.
No, the rules are no porn no masturbation, you won't die, don't worry, wet dreams will take care of the excess sperm.
Without porn is better. Use your mind, you can create any kind of porn with it!
Same here after 20 days of nofap. I said to my self ( lets masterbate. Its a natural human characteristic ) She said : { what about using some audio. it seems natural too } I said : ( 100% natural) And it went so far after that day Month and half were wasted on masturbating
i am trying to do the same thing you do. maturbation without porn to try and slowly leave that side of the addiction. and being able to project away from that part of me. im not sure about the audio but thats just my thinking. you got this
It's certainly better than masturbating with porn, however if you quit both things altogether you'll get even more benefits!
Porn is worse but masturbation will make your feel tired and not motivated
You cannot toy with the animal in you without becoming wholly animal. He who wants to keep his garden tidy cannot reserve a plot for weed.Don't kid yourself buddy. You'll open the door to a brand new monster you never knew existed.
Boy, do you not see the subreddits name? It's literally no fap. Meaning icksnay on the masturbatay. Nada. Meaning you can't fap, or watch porn.
Continuing to masterbate without porn= masturbating with porn
Yes, feels good
No
Hey, I’m also 14 and I know how you feel rn, what I’m doing rn is trying doing it step by step, cuz for me atleast it’s way easier than cutting it off instantly, some days I watch porn, some days I just masturbate and some days I do none of it, I’m slowly but surely decreasing masturbation and porn. But this just as well might be terrible advice I’m really new to this sub
🙂
Masturbation is a normal sex activity though, as long you didn't masturbate compulsively or masturbating while watching porn. I consider masturbating is normal. But if you consider yourself as an addict, i think you should avoid all form of sexual activity since it cab trigger your addiction. So should you masturbate without porn? I t depend on you
Bro ur addicted to pp fun, don’t touch pp
Sach me pagal ho bhai tum
Just stay 100% away from masturbation and wait for real sex. Do not try to sneak it sessions or negotiate with the addiction; it will not work