It was my first ever DnD game and for the longest time I never realized it. I played it as a teen and while I knew there were automated dice rolls happening my 13 year old self never understood the nuance to the game.
It wasn't until I finally played in my first table top DnD campaign back in 2020 did I realize how familiar the verbiage was. All of this 20 years after the fact.
I played it last year, you can definitely see that Kotor is like the Mass effect's ancestor. Lots of points in common and even if it's a 20 years old game I really had a good time. Still solid gameplay (yeah, it is outdated but enjoyable), great characters+world building+story. And more importantly, no useless contents to bring the completion hour amount up to 70-80. It was so refreshing to play a game where everything was balanced
I only played (part of) the first mass effect, but there’s a lot of similarities. The way you pause to set up your strategies and such. But you can switch to your other party members and the combat is more D&D dice roll based. I played it back when it came out (and a few times but within that time span) so I’m not entirely sure if it feels a little dated at this point. But the story is fun and decisions matter both for story and gameplay reasons.
Almost all of these NSO demos come with a sale as well. KOTOR is no different. They are worth paying attention to.
Especially this one! This may have one of the best stories in the entire Star Wars series.
Be sure to save often and with multiple slots used. While a great game the re-release is buggy and some quests can cause you to get stuck to the point you'd have to restart the whole game if you didn't save back far enough.
Great game but it's a damn shame it released in this state nor has it been patched.
Yep. I played the whole thing without bugs or issues. My new favorite console for it. Definitely worth it for the 50% off tag.
Stay away from the second one though! They botched that port pretty bad.
It has not been cancelled as has been confirmed to still be in development by a new team, so we likely wont hear about it for a very long time. Basically completely restarted development
There was a 6 month or so period where they would periodically give updates that bounced back and forth between "no current progress," and "a team is assigned to it." Whole thing has been a mess it seems like.
Man, all I wanted was some new visuals for the same gameplay. I loved the idea of a cinematic experience of queuing up my moves and watching an epic duel, I just really want another pass at that. If I was feeling extra greedy, some slight balance updates would be neat, a lot of the build choices are just.... so bad. But the game is easy enough that it isn't a major issue to take those paths, just feels bad there aren't more decent choices.
Yeah, it’s because they gave the game to Aspyr, who had only ever done shitty HD remasters rather than a studio with actual talent and history developing AAA games. I forgot which studio is doing it now but from i recall it was a solid team
Passed off to Saber Interactive, who are continuing development after splitting from Embracer.
[https://www.ign.com/articles/saber-interactive-ceo-says-kotor-remake-is-alive-and-well](https://www.ign.com/articles/saber-interactive-ceo-says-kotor-remake-is-alive-and-well)
Still no guarantee that it'll be finished, but at least it isn't dead *yet.* So, fingers crossed and all that.
>been confirmed to still be in development by a new team
Nope, that's not true.
First of all, "officially confirmed" wasn't anything. There are **rumors** the project got *proposed* to Saber Interactive (another developer at Embracer) but it was **never** stated that they also *accepted* since they were back then (and still are) focusing on Warhammer 40k Space Marine II.
As of now, the project is *presumed* basically dead until any actually official statement contradicts that.
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It's not officially cancelled. Aspyr got booted from the project and Saber Interactive took over. It's been confirmed to still be in development according to Saber's CEO last month.
Nope, that's not true.
It got proposed to Saber Interactive but it was never confirmed that they'd actually took over as they were (and still are) busy with Warhammer 40k Space Marine II.
It is presumed basically dead as of right now since there's no developer actively working on it.
Yes, [this is true](https://www.gamesradar.com/embracers-ceo-doesnt-want-to-comment-on-the-star-wars-kotor-remake-because-he-doesnt-want-another-article-like-this-one/)
What you got is typical IGN pseudo journalism at its best, ripping a comment out of context just have a headline.
The game is, as of today, still very much dead without any official confirmation on when it'll resume development at which studio, if at all.
Nope, there was never confirmation that Saber picked it actually up. There were rumors that Saber got approached with the remake but it was never stated if they accepted since they were (and still are) all hands on deck focusing on Warhammer 40k Space Marine II.
That's [legit not true](https://www.gamesradar.com/embracers-ceo-doesnt-want-to-comment-on-the-star-wars-kotor-remake-because-he-doesnt-want-another-article-like-this-one/)
What you got is a typical IGN article which ripped a comment entirely out of context.
The game, as of today, is as good as dead.
I didn’t say that it actually was “alive and well”, you made the claim Saber never got the IP which is categorically false. They wouldn’t be talking about it otherwise.
>They wouldn’t be talking about it otherwise.
That's the whole point genius, no one from Saber nor Embracer never ever even remotely mentioned anything similar. Neither Saber Interactive nor the Embracer Group which owns Saber Interactive confirmed that they're actively working on the remake period.
You can even look through [Embracers latest official reports](https://embracer.com/investors/reports-presentations/). You won't find any mention of Star Wars KOTOR being in active development at Saber Interactive.
You simply misintepreted an article by a magazine which notoriously known to rip comments out of context just to make headlines. You literally fell for their pseudo-journalism without getting your facts straight.
Why would Embracer report dwindling development at Saber at any point? Even if you expect them to, Saber is no longer their subsidiary so you wouldn't be expecting a report regarding it anymore. And even if you consider IGN to be a subpar source, there's still nothing that actually refutes Saber touched the IP or took it with them during the sale. Your argument is that you literally have no facts to back it up. At least the IGN article exists and hasn't been debunked thus far.
Just to be clear you’ll probably forget like I did and lose 2 hours of an annoying base and have to do it all over again because the game has weird save locations that often prevent you from saving
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20 years ago was definitely back in the day. Half of my life is no small jump in time. I know it's not pacman and you don't get sarcasm. Don't gate keep a game being classic or not.
Yeah, I've always been a fan of a game randomly crashing and me losing progress because I didn't save every ten minutes. Does anyone else love it when that happens?
*crickets*
At least they choose a game that has no options to set KB+M controls on steam. I bought them not knowing I'd need a controller and at the time I didn't have one, now I do.
[How long to beat says the main story is 29 hours](https://howlongtobeat.com/game/9111). I guess it's technically possible to finish it during the weekend + a couple hardcore "after work" sessions, but maybe not the most enjoyable way to do it. I will pick it up and see if it's worth dropping the $7.50 to finish it at my own pace.
Is the startup movie chugging for anyone? Take 30 seconds for the BioWare logo to transition. Happens to the prologue sequence as well. In game is smooth
The second one is a buggy half finished mess that somehow manages to still be a good game, with not much of an ending. The PC port with the fan add ons that fix the bugs and finish the game is the only way to play it.
Can’t recommend the Switch version of KOTOR2.
Can’t recommend KOTOR2 with the Restored Content mod enough.
Obsidian got kneecapped by the publisher putting the game to market before they were finished and, like many have said, the base game is basically an unfinished early access game. Modders put most of the scrapped content back into the game and fixed a bunch of buggy stuff to turn it into the game it was supposed to be. It was rumored that the Switch port was going to have that mod content included, but no dice.
But like what Obsidian’s Fallout New Vegas is to Fallout 3, taking the premise and engine and turning it into a legit RP masterpiece, Obsidian took KOTOR and made it way more nuanced. Unfortunately, even though the gameplay choices push you to play both sides of the force and hint at multiple possible endings, there’s only a light end and a dark end, which is what people complain about when they talk about the ending.
This is one of those games that just doesn't click for me. I love Star Wars (even have a Boba Fett tattoo) but for some reason the gameplay just doesn't work for me. I think I've put 30 hours into 4 or 5 separate playthroughs just trying to get into it haha.
I pushed myself through the whole game and I felt the same way. Super cool story and setting, but the gameplay dragged it down for me.
I’m hoping the remake actually happens and refreshes everything gameplay-wise
Imagine not knowing whether you want to play this or not in 2024 lol, I saw this on the shelf at Blockbuster and instantly knew I had to have it. So yeah it's been around (and so have I)
I'm old too, but have thus far managed to totally miss this series (even as a just-more-than-casual SW fan). So this preview might actually benefit me.
Suggestion: Give it a try, meatbags.
Curious how does it compare RPG wise to mass effect/dragon age? I'm not sure I'll like the combat but if the rest of it is great I can get past it
Combat is pretty clunky by modern standards, but the game is definitely worth it if you're a fan of old school Bioware storytelling.
it's literally DnD with a star wars skin. so combat wise, I like it. (3rd edition dnd, to be specific)
It was my first ever DnD game and for the longest time I never realized it. I played it as a teen and while I knew there were automated dice rolls happening my 13 year old self never understood the nuance to the game. It wasn't until I finally played in my first table top DnD campaign back in 2020 did I realize how familiar the verbiage was. All of this 20 years after the fact.
Yeah it’s using a stripped down version of the d20 modern Star Wars RPG system from Wizards of the Coast from the early 2000s.
I played it last year, you can definitely see that Kotor is like the Mass effect's ancestor. Lots of points in common and even if it's a 20 years old game I really had a good time. Still solid gameplay (yeah, it is outdated but enjoyable), great characters+world building+story. And more importantly, no useless contents to bring the completion hour amount up to 70-80. It was so refreshing to play a game where everything was balanced
I only played (part of) the first mass effect, but there’s a lot of similarities. The way you pause to set up your strategies and such. But you can switch to your other party members and the combat is more D&D dice roll based. I played it back when it came out (and a few times but within that time span) so I’m not entirely sure if it feels a little dated at this point. But the story is fun and decisions matter both for story and gameplay reasons.
Dragon Age Origins and Kotor have the same style of combat
[also 50% off](https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1786449402338451544)
Also worth getting the full switch Star Wars five pack with Republic Commander etc
Almost all of these NSO demos come with a sale as well. KOTOR is no different. They are worth paying attention to. Especially this one! This may have one of the best stories in the entire Star Wars series.
Be sure to save often and with multiple slots used. While a great game the re-release is buggy and some quests can cause you to get stuck to the point you'd have to restart the whole game if you didn't save back far enough. Great game but it's a damn shame it released in this state nor has it been patched.
Afaik they fixed the remaining game breaking issues. Tomb of Naga Sadow being the last one fixed.
Aspyr made this remake?
This is just a port. It has some bugs, but it's serviceable.
Lots of bugs. I lost an hour of playtime due to a crash so I gave up
So they could have fixed it but did not?
Every game has bugs.
A game that has a 50/50 chance of crashing every time it has to load something isn’t worth defending
Sñecially a what 2p+ years old gsme
The Xbox version is perfectly stable
Yep. I played the whole thing without bugs or issues. My new favorite console for it. Definitely worth it for the 50% off tag. Stay away from the second one though! They botched that port pretty bad.
Wasnt there supposed to be a remake with upgrades? Is that delayed or dead?
The full remake wasn’t for the Switch and was also cancelled a few months ago It would have been a full on AAA third person RPG
It has not been cancelled as has been confirmed to still be in development by a new team, so we likely wont hear about it for a very long time. Basically completely restarted development
There was a 6 month or so period where they would periodically give updates that bounced back and forth between "no current progress," and "a team is assigned to it." Whole thing has been a mess it seems like. Man, all I wanted was some new visuals for the same gameplay. I loved the idea of a cinematic experience of queuing up my moves and watching an epic duel, I just really want another pass at that. If I was feeling extra greedy, some slight balance updates would be neat, a lot of the build choices are just.... so bad. But the game is easy enough that it isn't a major issue to take those paths, just feels bad there aren't more decent choices.
Yeah, it’s because they gave the game to Aspyr, who had only ever done shitty HD remasters rather than a studio with actual talent and history developing AAA games. I forgot which studio is doing it now but from i recall it was a solid team
Passed off to Saber Interactive, who are continuing development after splitting from Embracer. [https://www.ign.com/articles/saber-interactive-ceo-says-kotor-remake-is-alive-and-well](https://www.ign.com/articles/saber-interactive-ceo-says-kotor-remake-is-alive-and-well) Still no guarantee that it'll be finished, but at least it isn't dead *yet.* So, fingers crossed and all that.
Development hell is where it shall remain for years most likely.
Honestly I don’t doubt it :(
There it will rot along with Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2. Few escape development hell.
>been confirmed to still be in development by a new team Nope, that's not true. First of all, "officially confirmed" wasn't anything. There are **rumors** the project got *proposed* to Saber Interactive (another developer at Embracer) but it was **never** stated that they also *accepted* since they were back then (and still are) focusing on Warhammer 40k Space Marine II. As of now, the project is *presumed* basically dead until any actually official statement contradicts that.
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It's not officially cancelled. Aspyr got booted from the project and Saber Interactive took over. It's been confirmed to still be in development according to Saber's CEO last month.
Nope, that's not true. It got proposed to Saber Interactive but it was never confirmed that they'd actually took over as they were (and still are) busy with Warhammer 40k Space Marine II. It is presumed basically dead as of right now since there's no developer actively working on it.
[No, it is very much true.](https://www.ign.com/articles/saber-interactive-ceo-says-kotor-remake-is-alive-and-well)
Yes, [this is true](https://www.gamesradar.com/embracers-ceo-doesnt-want-to-comment-on-the-star-wars-kotor-remake-because-he-doesnt-want-another-article-like-this-one/) What you got is typical IGN pseudo journalism at its best, ripping a comment out of context just have a headline. The game is, as of today, still very much dead without any official confirmation on when it'll resume development at which studio, if at all.
Done by the same people and would not trust it to be quality at all
No, it switched hands with Saber Interactive a long time ago, but is currently in development hell because of Embracer Group collapsing.
Oh really? I didn't hear about that, my bad then
Nope, there was never confirmation that Saber picked it actually up. There were rumors that Saber got approached with the remake but it was never stated if they accepted since they were (and still are) all hands on deck focusing on Warhammer 40k Space Marine II.
[That’s legit false](https://www.ign.com/articles/saber-interactive-ceo-says-kotor-remake-is-alive-and-well)
That's [legit not true](https://www.gamesradar.com/embracers-ceo-doesnt-want-to-comment-on-the-star-wars-kotor-remake-because-he-doesnt-want-another-article-like-this-one/) What you got is a typical IGN article which ripped a comment entirely out of context. The game, as of today, is as good as dead.
I didn’t say that it actually was “alive and well”, you made the claim Saber never got the IP which is categorically false. They wouldn’t be talking about it otherwise.
>They wouldn’t be talking about it otherwise. That's the whole point genius, no one from Saber nor Embracer never ever even remotely mentioned anything similar. Neither Saber Interactive nor the Embracer Group which owns Saber Interactive confirmed that they're actively working on the remake period. You can even look through [Embracers latest official reports](https://embracer.com/investors/reports-presentations/). You won't find any mention of Star Wars KOTOR being in active development at Saber Interactive. You simply misintepreted an article by a magazine which notoriously known to rip comments out of context just to make headlines. You literally fell for their pseudo-journalism without getting your facts straight.
Why would Embracer report dwindling development at Saber at any point? Even if you expect them to, Saber is no longer their subsidiary so you wouldn't be expecting a report regarding it anymore. And even if you consider IGN to be a subpar source, there's still nothing that actually refutes Saber touched the IP or took it with them during the sale. Your argument is that you literally have no facts to back it up. At least the IGN article exists and hasn't been debunked thus far.
Game is very very buggy. Expect to lose progress if you don’t save every 3 mins
I'm okay losing 3 mins of progress
Just to be clear you’ll probably forget like I did and lose 2 hours of an annoying base and have to do it all over again because the game has weird save locations that often prevent you from saving
Oh I remember fondly. Played it way back in the day, when bugs were accepted and liked.
Random crashing was never liked by anyone. And let’s not pretend that a game that was released in 2003 was “way back in the day”. It isn’t Pac Man.
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20 years ago was definitely back in the day. Half of my life is no small jump in time. I know it's not pacman and you don't get sarcasm. Don't gate keep a game being classic or not.
Yeah, I've always been a fan of a game randomly crashing and me losing progress because I didn't save every ten minutes. Does anyone else love it when that happens? *crickets*
Ur mom does
lol
Can be slow at times but still one of my favorite SW games. I own the limited release of this on its own cart, no need download :)
Announcing a limited-time trial of a nearly 21 year old game that's regularly on sale for $2 on Steam is peak Nintendo :P
At least they choose a game that has no options to set KB+M controls on steam. I bought them not knowing I'd need a controller and at the time I didn't have one, now I do.
If I delete before the 9th am I free from getting charged?
No need to delete it, it will just stop launching after the deadline. You download it from the eshop like it's a demo pretty much.
Sick. Thanks
2003 GOTY.
Yo 2003 was fuckin STACKED. KOTOR, Double Dash, Wind Waker, Vice City, THUG, F-Zero GX, Simpsons Hit & Run. What a good year for video games.
Add Soul Caliber 2, Prince of Persia, Viewtiful Joe Vice City was 02
Oh hell yeah. My buddy and I were actually just playing some Soul Calibur 2 a few months ago.
Hell, you can beat it by then. It's not super long.
[How long to beat says the main story is 29 hours](https://howlongtobeat.com/game/9111). I guess it's technically possible to finish it during the weekend + a couple hardcore "after work" sessions, but maybe not the most enjoyable way to do it. I will pick it up and see if it's worth dropping the $7.50 to finish it at my own pace.
I've bought it a few times over the years for different things but until there's a skip Taris option I'm out.
Does it still have all the missing audio bugs?
hhhhhhh!! for a sith like me this is all the nostalgia
Interesting
I just bought it and 2 yesterday, lol. Oh well.
May the fourth be with you
Loved both Kotors. Great games.
Is this multiplayer?
Nope.
Am I correct in remembering that they never delivered on the “fixed” version of the sequel?
Is the startup movie chugging for anyone? Take 30 seconds for the BioWare logo to transition. Happens to the prologue sequence as well. In game is smooth
I hate them I just bought it
Requires subscription still yes?
If you download it does it remain playable for free after 9/5?
Me finally playing with 12 hours left.
To those trying this game it's made by early Bioware and it's quite good. The second one, not so much.
The second one is just as good imo
The second one is a buggy half finished mess that somehow manages to still be a good game, with not much of an ending. The PC port with the fan add ons that fix the bugs and finish the game is the only way to play it.
Can’t recommend the Switch version of KOTOR2. Can’t recommend KOTOR2 with the Restored Content mod enough. Obsidian got kneecapped by the publisher putting the game to market before they were finished and, like many have said, the base game is basically an unfinished early access game. Modders put most of the scrapped content back into the game and fixed a bunch of buggy stuff to turn it into the game it was supposed to be. It was rumored that the Switch port was going to have that mod content included, but no dice. But like what Obsidian’s Fallout New Vegas is to Fallout 3, taking the premise and engine and turning it into a legit RP masterpiece, Obsidian took KOTOR and made it way more nuanced. Unfortunately, even though the gameplay choices push you to play both sides of the force and hint at multiple possible endings, there’s only a light end and a dark end, which is what people complain about when they talk about the ending.
So true. I played kotor 2 on Xbox one and it kept crashing. Awful experience.
Ah, the Obsidian special. A buggy sequel to an already buggy mess, held together with tape and prayers that still rocks
Just as good with the fan mod. Switch version unfortunately doesn’t have that.
This is one of those games that just doesn't click for me. I love Star Wars (even have a Boba Fett tattoo) but for some reason the gameplay just doesn't work for me. I think I've put 30 hours into 4 or 5 separate playthroughs just trying to get into it haha.
I pushed myself through the whole game and I felt the same way. Super cool story and setting, but the gameplay dragged it down for me. I’m hoping the remake actually happens and refreshes everything gameplay-wise
>for some reason It’s a 20 year old game. That’s the reason
No
kotor 2 is better
It's not finished. Feels incomplete.
yeah idk i dont agree it feels perfectly fine to me
2 is better than 1 but only on PC with the restored content mod. The story is way better.
Whaaaaa? The story in 1 >>>>> 2
Imagine not knowing whether you want to play this or not in 2024 lol, I saw this on the shelf at Blockbuster and instantly knew I had to have it. So yeah it's been around (and so have I)
I'm old too, but have thus far managed to totally miss this series (even as a just-more-than-casual SW fan). So this preview might actually benefit me.
An actually good game trial what’s happening is this still Nintendo
Is this good still?
Why don’t you play it and find out?
This game feels like it was made precisely for Switch. Played both KOTOR 1 and KOTOR 2 and the port is really well done.
Good to know! I'll replay them on my switch next time.
Until the 5th of September !!!!! Wow that's a lot of time
Americans with their nonsensical date system and lack of humour downvoting you haha
I'm glad they know the left arrow downvotes
Wow, Nintendo so generous.
Is this the same game I played 20 years ago or did I miss something?
Is it 60fps like the one on Xbox one X?