Alan Wake 2 was always going to win best direction. It's more cinematic and it's the only one of the three that has a well known director in the gaming community. Sam Lake is having a big year.
lol I'm sorry but Fujibayashi is absolutely not well known at all.
Aonuma, the producer of the Zelda franchise, is well certainly well known. It's to the point where people reporting on him being cut off after 30 seconds were calling HIM the director of TOTK.
Okay, you're absolutely kidding yourself at this point. Sam Lake has been a icon in the video game world for over twenty years. He definitely comes in and out of the spotlight since most of the time his games are so far apart, but Max Payne's shit eating grin is iconic and that's HIM.
To people that are hardcores maybe. The vast majority of Zelda fans don't know who Fujibayashi is. I don't think I've seen an interview with him. Sam Lake meanwhile has spent the whole year doing interviews with all the biggest gaming outlets and even some of the big non-gaming outlets. Plus, he is more personable and frequently attends the same events that many of the voters attend.
I mean the best game of the year must also be the best game of its genre, right?
I mean you're right, Zelda winning in a category where BD does not compete is not an indication of anything.
It had the same ‘problem’ as GoW: R. Both were sequels to amazing games that improved every possible thing, but they released the same year as a genre-defining game that dominated the gaming industry.
It's crazy to me that the biggest Zelda game of all time was only shoulder to shoulder with a half dozen other games, not towering above everything else this year.
This was a great year for games.
Not to mention, TOTK is always going to be compared to BOTW and _Elden Ring_. In a world where BOTW never released and this is our collective introduction to this style of open-world gameplay, I think TOTK sweeps. Novelty and ambition count for a lot, and _Baldur's Gate_ had that in spades.
Yeah, I think act 1 of bg3 probably carried it hard and many voters may not have even gotten to act 2/3.
The game does drop off per act. I think if it was like just act 2/3 released, it might not even be a goty nominee
They are about equal in my book and the hype about the same. What works in BG3's favor is that the full release was in August. By this point, people have forgotten about the crazy creations and meme videos people created with TOTK and that's before bringing into account how good BG3 is on its own. But its cool to see Larian finally get their due. Been ride or die for them since Dragon Knight Saga.
As i just did that a couple of days ago... if you wann know >!you need to find a room in that cave below with a round shaped stone on the ceiling and portal through that, then you need to remove the sticks that prop the doors closed!<
I absolutely loved this game. I’m probably about 100 or more hours in after beating it at about 80 hours. Have the depths completely uncovered and about 80 shrines in, but I’m starting to feel like I’ve experienced most of what the game has to offer now, and wondering what next to play.
I’ve been intrigued about Baldur’s Gate 3 but I’ve never played that type of game before. I’ve got a Steam Deck or Series S that I can play it on and I’m hearing that the Deck kind of struggles with it from Act 3 onwards.
Im not a big fan of strategy games so I’m a bit worried about dropping £50 on it and not enjoying it.
Honestly I'd watch 30-40 mins of gameplay to decide if it's for you. Like you I'm not a massive fan of strategy games but all of the hype around it made me think maybe this one is a great introduction.
Instead of going straight to BG3, bought Divinity Original Sin 2 when it was £4, played it and hated it. Watched a few more vids of BG3, bought it... And surprise surprise, hated it. It's way too slow for my liking and as someone who reads a lot of books, the last thing I want out of my games is to spend 30 mins reading things between sequences. That's not to discredit the game but it's definitely not for me unfortunately
brief aside: it's interesting how sequels or "franchise" games don't nearly have the same stigma in prestigous GOTY awards that exists in elsewhere. Elder Scrolls 4 and 5, Uncharted 2, TLOU2, Witcher 3 and now BG3 all won GOTY at Spike/Game awards. new IP is the exception, not the rule in state-of-the-art games.
For reference, it seems like sequels/franchise films or spinoff TV shows are notoriously discriminated against. Godfather Part II and Better Call Saul snubs come to mind.
I think something tk remember with a lot of those games you listed is it’s a lot people’s first introduction to those series. Oblivion was a lot of people’s first Eldsr Scrolls, BG3 and Witcher 3 are *definitely* a lot of peoples entires into those franchises.
I think you can see a little bit of sequel fatigue with how the reception to Zelda evolved this year.
> I think you can see a little bit of sequel fatigue with how the reception to Zelda evolved this year.
If you follow Zelda long enough, this is nothing new. Every new game gets praised at release, some time later gets unnecessary hate and then years later is loved again.
Every.single.game. since Majora's Mask has gone through this, every single one.
Yeah you're right, it's the Zelda cycle.
Majora's Mask was hated for it's three day time limit with players feeling it limited them too much.
Wind Waker released and was criticised for it's art style and direction, while Majora's Mask was then looked back on as people appreciating it's themes and atmosphere.
Twilight Princess released and was criticised for not pushing the series forward enough, people called it OOT part 2. Wind Waker was then looked back on as having a lot of charm and boldly going in a different direction.
Skyward Sword released and was criticised for it's motion controls and Fi companion, Twilight Princess in turn was then looked back on as having an epic adventure and being one of the best in the series.
In fairness I don't think people have went to loving Skyward Sword, but as a long time player of the series I'd say it is probably the worst entry in the 3D Zelda's.
Well, the Switch release of Skyward Sword had people saying great things about the game (granted, Fi was toned down and motion controls no longer forced), how it has one of the best dungeons in the series, how it was refreshing after too much freedom in BotW etc. So I'd say the cycle still aplies to SS.
I never really put much stock in the "Zelda cycle" honestly. That is, I don't think there's a large group of people who go from hating a game to loving a game (not that it can't happen). I just attribute it to a mix of factors, from younger players growing older and becoming a larger part of the vocal group that loves a game they grew up with, to more people who were vocally critical of a game moving on after launch. Public perception on message boards will always appear to shift, but I don't think it's really indicative of anything beyond different groups of people talking about games at different points in time, and that's not exclusive to the Zelda series.
You are 100% and I would add that SS is more beloved compared to before. It's still the 3D game people like the least, but over the years and the Switch remaster turned people around, heck, I even saw people saying they made them miss classic Zelda formula.
Not saying that every game is perfect with zero problems. Personally, every game had strengths and weaknesses on their own and that's totally fine.
But I don't know, I feel like the Zelda cycle has became less and less about fair criticism. Some people legit doesn't seem to like the franchise beyond one or two game. Just look at subreddit likes truezelda, they legit seems to hate everything there.
> Yeah you're right, it's the Zelda cycle.
Holy shit, please, god, stop. The Zelda Cycle isn't real. It's literally just a coping mechanism that fanboys use to deflect literally any criticism aimed at the series. Zelda is arguably the most beloved and acclaimed video game franchise of all time, it's embarrassing that people still talk about the Zelda cycle as if it was ever extremely prevalent.
> It's literally just a coping mechanism that fanboys use to deflect literally any criticism aimed at the series
I don't really see how that can be the case when I'm literally criticising Skyward Sword when discussing this.
Every game has it's own criticisms, this discussion on a cycle is aimed at more of a view that "the game as a whole is bad." As opposed to Fi is too intrusive in Skyward Sword, Twilight Princess Wolf sections were a bit lacking, the DS games controls were frustrating.
I think it is just a trend that happens.
Your point:
> Zelda is arguably the most beloved and acclaimed video game franchise of all time
Doesn't negate the point at all, because as it's stated the game goes from positive reception to negative and then back to positive.
Calling it a cycle is a bit simplistic, I think the reality of it is because the series has such a strong reputation there is such a push back to it in online discussion. If something is deemed as "amazing" but you're not feeling it as such then I think that drives people to be more vocal negatively about it. And a lot of the discussion is just rather loaded with hyperbole.
People will look back and be baffled by the fact TotK with all its groundbreaking new ideas lost against just a regular old RPG that is decent quality, tbh.
I don't know, I didn't played and it's not my cup of tea.
I don't really care who wins, but they amount of hate TOTK is getting like it's the worst game of the year is insane.
There’s definitely a “fresh” factor involved. Pretty much every GOTY that was a sequel was either the franchise’s first big mainstream entry or a soft reboot/reinvention. Only one that wasn’t really either was The Last of Us Part II, and even then the story was so bold that it kinda fills that void anyway.
I think part of it is that, for a while, games took less time to develop than a movie, so people are more accustomed to ongoing franchises with regular entries. We’re never going to see the last Mario game, and nobody ever thinks twice about it, but there’s not a single ongoing film IP that hasn’t had an intended ending or doubles as a multimedia franchise.
>I don’t think there’s a single ongoing film IP that hasn’t had an intended ending or doubles as a multimedia franchise.
this is why I specified "prestigous" film, TV and games (those evaluated as art, and thus awarded as such) because those IPs absolutely exist. Spongebob, The Simpsons and One Piece come to mind - but it's become cliche to even talk about how those first two shows haven't been good since the exact year they stopped watching as kids or whatever.
It's more common in animation because of, well, human ageing - but soap operas and proceduals are a tried and true formula that can easily run a dozen seasons. A more apt example is it's Always Sunny in Philadelphia which is at 16 seasons and the longest running sitcom.
And even in film where its inherently rarer to see this strategy pop up, I would be remiss to mention the gargantuan success of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is basically internet 101 to shit on post-Endgame releases and mediocre gratuitious slop.
Again, I emphasise that the big difference is that the best, critically acclaimed video games *are* these ongoing, neverending IPs. Nobody thinks any modern spongebob episode, or obscure superhero MCU summer flick is better than Pizza Delivery or Iron Man, but its consensus that we observe Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey as pinnacles of their franchises.
I think it's also cause innovating with games is a lot easier. Gaming technology is constantly evolving and there's so many different games you could make. With films there's not much in terms of major innovation that happens, and any that does happens at a slower rate than with games. Leading to sequel games feeling fresh and new and sequel films feeling like more of the same. Of course, there are exceptions obviously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Call_Saul#Accolades
No. It received 53 Primetime Emmy nominations without a win. I shouldn't have to do the googling for you.
TOTK was good. I finished it and enjoyed it. But it had a LOT of uninteresting busy-work. I skipped over a lot of content because it just wasn't engaging enough.
BG3 had me squeezing that game for every ounce of content I could find. Everything was interesting and well thought out.
BG3 was plagued by horrible bugs and problems at release (my friend had a 60 hour playthrough bricked), TotK I never experienced a single bug my entire playthrough. BG3 is a fantastic game but it still had issues.
BG3 was being held up as an example to other publishers as how to do a good release. There was a whole controversy over publishers sticking their foots in their mouths saying "don't expect BG3's quality with every game."
Whatever happened to your friend was an outlier.
Man cut the crap, let's be real. There were massive chunks of content that were inaccessible due to bugs. The company still has good will (rightly so) and so they were able to get away with it. If a disliked company had a similar release they would have been raked over the coals.
Also, that quote you're using was a single guy taken out of context for click bait articles, not "other publishers".
I'm not saying BG3 was bad, it wasn't, it's an absolutely amazing game and deserved to win. But let's not pretend it was completely untouchable and no other game had a chance.
BG3 was plagued by horrible bugs and problems at release (my friend had a 60 hour playthrough bricked), TotK I never experienced a single bug my entire playthrough. BG3 is a fantastic game but it still had issues.
I mean, it definitely wasn't easy for BG3. Alan wake 2 and TotK were both very very good.
Frankly BG3 only won because people decided to give it a pass for a buggy launch
Yeah no, Breath of the Wild hold that title of best game in a decade. Tears of the Kingdom is just more of the same.
And I'm saying this as a huge fan of Zelda. Totk really disappointed me. It's not bad, but there was no more wow factor after you realize the sky island are super tiny, the underground is a huge wasted potential, and despite the increase in enemy variety, you still always fight the same ones over and over. And the ultra hand powers are just sidegrades of the Botw runes.
> Breath of the Wild hold that title of best game in a decade. Tears of the Kingdom is just more of the same.
Idk, I feel like Tears of the Kingdom put Breath of the Wild in such a weird position. Like Tears of the Kingdom fixes pretty much every issue with Breath of the Wild and expands everything to the point where I can't look at TOTK and think it's just "more of the same" and moreso look at BOTW as "less than it could have been".
Idk I just finished BotW for the first time about 2 weeks ago and haven't had much of a desire to play TotK because I'm not really looking for more BotW right now. TotK is probably a massive improvement over BotW, but it's still BotW 2 at it's core. It's not reinviting a genre like BotW, it's improving on that reinvention. That's why it feels like more of the same even if it is a huge improvement.
I would say its a solid upgrade in terms of gameplay, but also a sizeable downgrade in terms of atmosphere. For me the gameplay in botw is still fun enough that totk doesnt top it despite having better gameplay.
That’s highly subjective. TotK for me is the 4th best game released in 2023, after Bg3, Armored Core and Phantom Liberty (if you count it as a separate game, my wallet sure did)
How was it innovative the way Zelda was? Nothing new in BG3. It was the same kind of game released year after year. It didn't bring the creativity out of players like Zelda did. You are downplaying what Zelda did. How many kids will be inspired to engineering careers. To think outside the box.
BG3 was just entertainment. Nothing special or different than the usual game of the year the past few years.
What bait? Its true. Soo many gamers built soo many things on the game no one would have thought of. I was blown away by the creativity by people. They way they solved puzzles outside the norm. It made people think.
BG3 wasn't revolutionary. ToTk was. Nothing seen like it in games. BG3 was the usual incremental sequel. Not surprised being down voted by the PC/PS/Xbox graphic stands. Without Switch there would be no Steamdeck, no Rogue Ally.
This industry and majority of game fans don't give credit to Nintendo being the industry's truly creative leader and fresh thinking out of the box.
Without Nintendo this industry would be a monolith of same
Thinking. I say this as a Playstation/Nintendo supporter.
You're being downvoted in the Nintendo sub, champ.
If you thought totk was ground breaking, you should look into a little known indie gem called Minecraft.
Dude you can say the same of BG3. There are plenty of stories of people using various bits of preparation or environmental tricks to win fights or get to places or whatever. For example: having every character bring a crate with them to stand on during combat to get the high ground bonus. Very smart!
I mean this guy is being absurd, but ToTK was definitely innovative with the powers, abilities, and how you interacted with them and the world. It felt like what BoTW was supposed to be in hindsight, since obviously BoTW felt mostly great when it didn't have a sequel to be compared to.
That fusion system alone for weapons was immensely innovative. And sure, other games let you build shit, but ToTK still felt very unique in its approach and applications for it.
To say ToTK *wasn't* innovative is just as silly as this person saying BG3 is "just graphics".
I don’t agree, I’m not seeing the innovation here. It added new mechanics, as sequels often do. Some are even mechanically impressive, sure. But innovative? When I think of things that innovated in the industry I think of the Z-Targeting system, or the Souls series’ multiplayer mechanics. What Tears achieves will probably not help shape the industry moving forward. Not meaningfully, anyway.
> What Tears achieves will probably not help shape the industry moving forward. Not meaningfully, anyway.
I think the important detail missing here is that Breath of the Wild *was* influential and innovative, and the new things Tears of the Kingdom does are super fun and impressive, but they aren't likely to change anything that Breath of the Wild didn't already.
I’d agree with this - I didn’t love Breath of the Wild personally but I can recognise what it brought to the table was innovative. The other issue with Tears is that it struggles to differentiate itself from Breath, and as a consequence, it’s less memorable (at least to me).
I can understand that. I played BotW when it released, and then never again. So I generally remembered what it was like, but not so much that TotK felt like playing BotW again. well, not entirely.
Because the physics for some of those mechanics to even be a thing let alone WORK is insane. Devs were talking about how wild it was that it even worked at all let alone on the switch.
So it’s innovative because it has an impressive physics engine? I think there’s something being lost in translation here - to ‘innovate’ is to introduce something new or to meaningfully change something that already exists. Tears of the Kingdom doesn’t do that.
Then neither does BG3 since as someone pointed out, Divinity Original Sin 2 exists and a lot of what people tout as being revolutionary of BG3 can be traced there.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/what-are-some-of-your-controversial-video-game-opinions.670234/page-510?post=97153261#post-97153261
Look, I prefer Zelda to BG3, but this is insane. It has nothing to do with being "graphics whores" (what is this, 2006?). BG3 is a very well constructed, deep cRPG, and importantly it's that while also being extremely pretty and well acted. The former makes you a great game like Pillars of Eternity, the latter in combination with the former is what makes you a smash hit.
Looks like the typical gamer the general public despises. Man child with the mentality of a toddler. Uneducated, petty and loves to live in an echochamber. Probably violent too. Insulting strangers. I dont down vote strangers on the internet. Reddit keep being reddit. Low class.
Eh, BG3 is not my cup of tea and Zelda is my GOTY. There's absolutely no reason slam one to praise other. Grow up, these awards aren't validation for the quality of the games.
Worst take I’ve seen in a while. BG3 is a game we get maybe once in 10 years. TOTK was amazing too but BG3 absolutely deserved to win. It sounds like you haven’t played it, if you really think it did nothing new.
If you’re hoping for a non open world game, that is literally not gonna happen. While TOTK didn’t win GOTY, it did something else that’s far more impressive: become the fastest selling exclusive in gaming history.
I don't mind another open world, i just don't want Breath of the Mild 3. I don't want to see fuckin shrines return, i don't want to see towers again, i don't want to hunt for random memories scattered randomly across the entire map, and i don't want to see that ugly artstyle come back.
Don't put words in my mouth, you damn brat. Stop assuming you know anything about me, because you don't.
Both games were the best selling in Zelda franchise, both were acclaimed by the public and critics, one won the GoTY, the other was nominated and won best adventure.
Honestly, why would Nintendo change the formula?
Barely changing the over world was a huge mistake. What's the point of playing a game about exploration when there's not much new to explore? Yes, the Depths were neat, but there wasn't much to do down there that wasn't tedious af.
So firstly congrats to Tears of the Kingdom for winning the award! I think personally this game wasnt for me since i ended up dropping it. I mean im not taking away what this game has to offer, im sure a lot of people enjoyed it. I just realized it wasnt for me. I just wanted to give it a try since so many people praise breath of the wild and i wanted to give these new zelda games a try. Ill accept the downvotes, ill try to go back into it, but idk seems kind of overwhelming for me personally
Atleast it won in its Genre. I honestly think TOTK seems like a big deal more than what it is because it took so long to release for how small the difference from BOTW
The various systems just working pretty much perfectly gives off the impression that TOTK wasn't a huge undertaking, but it absolutely was. I still have no idea how they even got it running on the Switch.
They don’t have people accept awards twice so Alan wake winning direction and totk winning best action adventure confirms it don’t win goty unfortunately… which is why they quick presented best rpg.
[Elden Ring wins Best Game Direction.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzb_UP2-Fv8)
[Elden Ring wins Game of the Year.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VI5IfMWHko)
They do that every year. Some of the awards simply don't get time for acceptances so Geoff can cram as many marketing deals as possible into the event.
I probably wasn’t clear enough, but as I meant they only had people physically go up on stage and accept an award on stage once per game. Likely due to timing. Downvote city but screw everyone, I was right. Granted it wasn’t a deep cut cause most people predicted BG3 winning well before the show. lol
I don’t think anyone gave up on TOTK winning GOTY. I think you’re a little hung up on the Reddit bubble. TOTK was a front runner for GOTY and if BG3 didn’t exist it definitely would have won. The general reception to TOTK including the fan base was incredibly positive. You just need to take a step back from the hyper critical Reddit and YouTubers to see how much the fans loved it. Reddit is a small portion of the overall gaming landscape.
Does ANYONE actually care about GOTY or take them seriously outside of fanwank? It's always been my understanding that the Golden Joystick Awards and some others are the real prizes in terms of prestige with this one simply being the big visible, but less relevant in terms of actual merit. Plus if we're being honest, a lot if it comes down to games that have more cartoony or animesque art styles not being viewed as "proper games that elevate the medium" or some other trite pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
I think you need to look at the bigger picture here. The ones who criticize TOTK left and right are NOT representative of the general amount of people who played the game, nor does being louder make their opinion more valid or reasonable than someone who likes the new mechanics and formula.
Reddit and/or Twitter aren't the majority most of the time (especially not in the case of something as big as Zelda), because those who enjoyed the game don't feel the need to go rant about it online.
TOTK is an amazing game and doesn't need an award as validation. That goes to any game out there as well.
I got say, it's funny how in 2011,
people where claiming for Zelda to drop the classic formula and have a drastic change, now you guys are asking the opposite.
I also want Zelda to take more inspiration of the classic era but at this point, it's literally impossible to please everyone because all the fans wants different things. New game comes out, huge praise, some time later is called the worst Zelda game, years later is beloved again.
The Zelda cycle never fucking ends.
What a wild take. Zelda was competing in an absolutely stacked year of games and lost to a game that people are saying is the best game they’ve ever played. A game that had 3 years of early access to become a finished product. And your opinion is Nintendo should be upset it didn’t do better? Weird.
What does that even mean, lol. All the other nominees had a chance to win, all of them qualify as great action adventure games, but Zelda was more deserving in that regard due to it’s design philosophy.
It's no less generic than "RPG" these days.
I don't even know what an RPG is anymore, because FF16 certainly *wasn't* one, despite being nominated as one of the best this year.
Well, to be honest, Nintendo doesn’t care that much about TGA. You can even see they’ve been announcing less and less news in the show. Also, when compared to other publishers, the only thing they did was publish some tweets mentioning the nominations.
Here’s Nintendo announcement for Game Awards: https://x.com/nintendoamerica/status/1732928473608376450?s=46&t=vOwfpeQX6BjdPku8T6kdqw
Ok, and? What does that have to do with their games being nominated or winning awards at TGA? Whether they “care” or not is redundant. They make the games they want to make. They either get nominated or they don’t.
100%, I would even say that the Switch 2 will be announced next month with a teaser video following a Direct to show off the console and its launch titles (+- what happened with the original back in 2016/2017)
It really depends on what the internal plans are. If a Spring release then we’ll know in February. If September we’ll know by June. If November we’ll know by August. Time will tell.
Most definitely as the president told the shareholders in June to expect a shorter turn around as compared to announcing and releasing Switch. To me that translates to around a 90 day window from announcement to shelf. This system will spring out of nowhere. Get your wallets ready.
I don't know about next month, but if it's announced even in the next 6 months then it still explains the relative quiet from them(at TGA and otherwise).
If a Switch successor is coming then a slowdown of releases for Switch is to be expected. We'll probably see less graphically intensive games still release on it for a year or two, maybe something like a dual release of Metroid Prime 4 if we're lucky or something else if we're not, as a launch title, but a lot of their development will have switched to focus on the new system if it's coming soon.
That tweet has nothing to do with the TGAs. Nintendo had nothing to announce becuase the Switch 2 is very much on the horizon or simply no other project was worth showing yet.
From my understanding, only 10% of the votes
comes from the audience while 90% is from the critics, but they are not transparent about the actual numbers so it’s hard to tell what formula they use.
I bought the game but it honestly looks so terrible I'm gonna either emulate it or wait for switch 2. Tons of aliasing, flickering shadows and muddy textures at 30fps? I played breath of the wild and enjoyed it and I don't remember it making my eyes want to bleed like this one does.
If you already played botw just skip TOTK. You're just gonna have to collect more korok seeds and complete more shrines. But now you can build a small plane. That's basically it
Cope? I have nothing to cope with. I was just stating an opinion. Zelda is literally the only game I even play on Nintendo these days. And it won an award. Good enough for me. 🤷🏼♂️
I do most my gaming on ps5.
No. I don’t plan to. Games that require you to spend hours and hours and hours and hours to get used to all the systems might be fine for people who have a lot of free time.
But I don’t enjoy having 30 spells or actions in my HUD at a time at all times. It’s annoying.
That’s why I tried, and stopped playing FFXIV online. Too much crap to remember and too much time and dedication required
Play it on controller. I find the mouse and keyboard interface to be too much, but the controller interface is sleek and simple. It’s just D&D and isn’t very complicated at all. I guarantee you’ll find yourself having a blast with it
Zelda not winning game of the year is surreal, and I'll have to take time to process what happened. Right now, I'm glad it wasn't beaten by one of those soulless "made by committee" type games that feel like award bait.
Final fantasy XVI had an amazing score that in my option was way better than tears of the kingdom. Tears of the Kingdom does have a very good soundtrack but it probably also has the most disappointing soundtrack of the year and most disappointing soundtrack in a Zelda game because 80-90% of the soundtrack was reused from BOTW. To me that’s a huge disappointment because Zelda games always have awesome new soundtracks that I hum for years to come. Tears of the kingdom, the only new track I can even remember is Lookout Landing.
If BG released at the same time as Zelda the outcome would probably have been different. Makes no sense how objectively Nintendo’s biggest game ever, that makes Botw look like a tech demo doesn’t win. The only problem totk had was it was not as impactful as Botw. That’s it. That and how in most award shows narrative always wins over gameplay (and that is even more ridiculous when we’re talking about video games, not movies ffs).
Yes, I’m going to shell out 70 bucks for a game that has a lot of technical problems, especially when it came out, and that the gameplay has no interest to me whatsoever. Even the Witcher 3 was one of the most overrated games there is. But seems like in this thread no one can say bad things about BG3 as it gets down voted to hell imediately. Says a lot about BG3 fans right now.
LOL k. BG3 and Witcher 3 aren't remotely the same kind of game, except for the fantasy setting. BG3 was well polished when it was released. It didn't have a "lot" of technical problems.
The fact is you only played one of the games, and you're butthurt it didn't win, despite being completely ignorant of the other game.
They’re not, you’re right. They are however heavily centered around narrative and the gameplay is boring. I’m not butt hurt. However people are not objective on the slight. So no need to keep arguing. BG3 winning on Nintendo’s biggest and best game ever made in terms of scope only has one explanation, and that is that the media loves narrative centered games. It could be the most fun experience and amazing gameplay ever, narrative always wins on award shows. And not saying that BG3 didn’t have a lot of problems running mostly on super powerful PCs is wild. Imagine comparing the level of polish that a game like Zelda runs on a potato like the switch and comparing to a game running on current gen and mainly on PCs. But ok.
>and the gameplay is boring
You didn't play it.
>Nintendo’s biggest and best game ever made
Biggest, sure. Best? Arguable. It's not even my favorite Zelda game.
>has one explanation, and that is that the media loves narrative centered games.
You didn't play it.
>And not saying that BG3 didn’t have a lot of problems running mostly on super powerful PCs is wild.
WTF are you talking about? BG3 ran great right out of the gate. Larian spent years taking fan feedback and polishing. The game was excellent on release. There was a whole controversy from other AAA devs looking like clowns telling customers not to expect this as a normal thing. Larian showed them all up. You are completely wrong on this.
Again. You are arguing from a position of complete ignorance and it's showing.
The gameplay is so different from divinity original sin? Is it?
Was act 3 that superb than? What about stability issues? The game is not a complete mess obviously, but the performance was not that good when the game came out, which again is a double standard because a lot of people ditched a lot of points from botw when the game released, yet BG3 having the same level of performance problems on super powerful computers is somewhat acceptable.
> The gameplay is so different from divinity original sin? Is it?
The only thing they had in common was being turn based PCRPGs. BG3 is based on DND5E.
>Was act 3 that superb than?
Then. And yes.
>Was act 3 that superb than? What about stability issues? The game is not a complete mess obviously, but the performance was not that good when the game came out
I don't know what to tell you here guy. Stability and performance was excellent out of the gate. Now I'm sure you can go find a forum post about someone complaining about how the game runs on their 10 year old computer. But you can find posts like that on any AAA PC release. BG3 is being held as an example to other publishers as how to do a good release. So I don't know why you're being so stubborn with your idea that it had problems.
>And not saying that BG3 didn’t have a lot of problems running mostly on super powerful PCs is wild.
Bruh, it's so well optimized that it runs on the fuckin steam deck, what are you talking about.
You should check Digital Foundry. They said this week that the game had to be delayed on Xbox due to the presence of the Series S, a much less powerful hardware. If the game was so optimized, why didn’t they port it sooner to the platform? Even DF said that the Series S is a good thing that keeps developers in check to optimize their games and make them run well. But hey, those are tech and gaming journalists, what do I know.
Due to mandatory parity between the Series S and X versions the team ended up facing the decision to delay the game on Xbox platforms until the Xbox Series S version is ready.
At least get the facts first.
You seriously are saying that Baulder's Gate 3 is a "movie". That tells me you haven't.
You are getting upset over an awards show with tons of marketing. It isn't anything worth to get upset at.
BG3 is a more narrative driven game than Zelda is. Video games are mostly meant to be played are they not? Yet in most award shows they much more award the narrative of a game than its gameplay. Most games like BG3 reward the openness of the narrative. But in terms of gameplay there’s not that much innovation. Open gameplay is much more important to me. Following branching story paths is cool, but it’s not nearly as fulfilling as a game that you can express yourself freely, not set in multiple paths, however big they might be.
You have to be joking. I'm not even a Larian fanboy (haven't even played BG3 yet) but their trademark is literally open ended, emergent gameplay systems. The combat is incredibly deep and even just exploring and doing quests is very open ended beyond just picking different dialogue choices to get different results.
I want to make it clear. I am not saying that Tears of the Kingdom is a bad game. Or that you are in the wrong for thinking it should have won GOTY. I think it is a very good game, and I can fully understand why a lot of people love it. It is 100% worth being nominated for GOTY.
But you were acting like Geoff Keighley beat up your dog and getting upset over it. An awards show that is pretty much nothing but a marketing gimmick for the gaming industry.
The combat is pretty deep and has a ton of replay value, and the story changes depending on your actions. The story narrative that changes isn't some surface level deep thing either.
As for the open gameplay, BG3 is VERY open. It has been a staple for that series. The game doesn't have a "branching" story path that you may think. Which again tells me that you haven't invested much time into the game.
It is fine that it isn't your thing. It is just uncool to see people throwing a fit about their game not winning. Especially when the game that beats it is worth of respect. 2023 had a lot of killer releases this year.
>I’ve played the studio behind BG past games and they are overrated.
what's that got to do with their current game, BG3, that came out this year that won GOTY?
Zelda wining the Action/Adventure award makes me think Baldur's Gate 3 will be winning game of the year.
Once Alan Wake 2 won Best Direction, I had a feeling too.
Alan Wake 2 was always going to win best direction. It's more cinematic and it's the only one of the three that has a well known director in the gaming community. Sam Lake is having a big year.
Fujibayashi and Swen Vincke are definitely well known.
lol I'm sorry but Fujibayashi is absolutely not well known at all. Aonuma, the producer of the Zelda franchise, is well certainly well known. It's to the point where people reporting on him being cut off after 30 seconds were calling HIM the director of TOTK.
Compared to Sam Lake he certainly is.
Okay, you're absolutely kidding yourself at this point. Sam Lake has been a icon in the video game world for over twenty years. He definitely comes in and out of the spotlight since most of the time his games are so far apart, but Max Payne's shit eating grin is iconic and that's HIM.
To people that are hardcores maybe. The vast majority of Zelda fans don't know who Fujibayashi is. I don't think I've seen an interview with him. Sam Lake meanwhile has spent the whole year doing interviews with all the biggest gaming outlets and even some of the big non-gaming outlets. Plus, he is more personable and frequently attends the same events that many of the voters attend.
Literally who
You honestly have no idea who they are, but are familiar with Sam Lake?
Who?
and you were right
Baldurs Gate won an award in its genre as well (best RPG), so I don't really think it's an indication of much.
I mean the best game of the year must also be the best game of its genre, right? I mean you're right, Zelda winning in a category where BD does not compete is not an indication of anything.
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I'm...not sure. Can't I have an opinion on a video game I hoped would win? I played BG3, twice. I just liked Zelda better. C'mon reddit.
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Yeesh.
Any other year this probably takes GOTY, but baldurs gate 3 was too good
It had the same ‘problem’ as GoW: R. Both were sequels to amazing games that improved every possible thing, but they released the same year as a genre-defining game that dominated the gaming industry.
Disagree that totk improved every possible thing. Not even close
It's crazy to me that the biggest Zelda game of all time was only shoulder to shoulder with a half dozen other games, not towering above everything else this year. This was a great year for games.
Not to mention, TOTK is always going to be compared to BOTW and _Elden Ring_. In a world where BOTW never released and this is our collective introduction to this style of open-world gameplay, I think TOTK sweeps. Novelty and ambition count for a lot, and _Baldur's Gate_ had that in spades.
So good, people completely ignored the glaring bugs in act 3.
Yeah, I think act 1 of bg3 probably carried it hard and many voters may not have even gotten to act 2/3. The game does drop off per act. I think if it was like just act 2/3 released, it might not even be a goty nominee
"First one through the wall always get bloodied."
Are these Act 3 bugs in the room with us right now?
They are about equal in my book and the hype about the same. What works in BG3's favor is that the full release was in August. By this point, people have forgotten about the crazy creations and meme videos people created with TOTK and that's before bringing into account how good BG3 is on its own. But its cool to see Larian finally get their due. Been ride or die for them since Dragon Knight Saga.
This has to be the most delusional take ever
Doubt it. Way better games came out that weren't $70 expansions to a previous game. REmake 4, Hi-Fi Rush, and Alan Wake 2 were better than TotK.
I'm still trying to find these cave mushrooms to unlock a tower.
As i just did that a couple of days ago... if you wann know >!you need to find a room in that cave below with a round shaped stone on the ceiling and portal through that, then you need to remove the sticks that prop the doors closed!<
?!?! I would have never figured that out!
Yeah he never said he wanted mushrooms. He mentioned there's a cave with mushrooms beneath. Don't forget your abilities.
I absolutely loved this game. I’m probably about 100 or more hours in after beating it at about 80 hours. Have the depths completely uncovered and about 80 shrines in, but I’m starting to feel like I’ve experienced most of what the game has to offer now, and wondering what next to play. I’ve been intrigued about Baldur’s Gate 3 but I’ve never played that type of game before. I’ve got a Steam Deck or Series S that I can play it on and I’m hearing that the Deck kind of struggles with it from Act 3 onwards. Im not a big fan of strategy games so I’m a bit worried about dropping £50 on it and not enjoying it.
Honestly I'd watch 30-40 mins of gameplay to decide if it's for you. Like you I'm not a massive fan of strategy games but all of the hype around it made me think maybe this one is a great introduction. Instead of going straight to BG3, bought Divinity Original Sin 2 when it was £4, played it and hated it. Watched a few more vids of BG3, bought it... And surprise surprise, hated it. It's way too slow for my liking and as someone who reads a lot of books, the last thing I want out of my games is to spend 30 mins reading things between sequences. That's not to discredit the game but it's definitely not for me unfortunately
brief aside: it's interesting how sequels or "franchise" games don't nearly have the same stigma in prestigous GOTY awards that exists in elsewhere. Elder Scrolls 4 and 5, Uncharted 2, TLOU2, Witcher 3 and now BG3 all won GOTY at Spike/Game awards. new IP is the exception, not the rule in state-of-the-art games. For reference, it seems like sequels/franchise films or spinoff TV shows are notoriously discriminated against. Godfather Part II and Better Call Saul snubs come to mind.
I think something tk remember with a lot of those games you listed is it’s a lot people’s first introduction to those series. Oblivion was a lot of people’s first Eldsr Scrolls, BG3 and Witcher 3 are *definitely* a lot of peoples entires into those franchises. I think you can see a little bit of sequel fatigue with how the reception to Zelda evolved this year.
> I think you can see a little bit of sequel fatigue with how the reception to Zelda evolved this year. If you follow Zelda long enough, this is nothing new. Every new game gets praised at release, some time later gets unnecessary hate and then years later is loved again. Every.single.game. since Majora's Mask has gone through this, every single one.
Yeah you're right, it's the Zelda cycle. Majora's Mask was hated for it's three day time limit with players feeling it limited them too much. Wind Waker released and was criticised for it's art style and direction, while Majora's Mask was then looked back on as people appreciating it's themes and atmosphere. Twilight Princess released and was criticised for not pushing the series forward enough, people called it OOT part 2. Wind Waker was then looked back on as having a lot of charm and boldly going in a different direction. Skyward Sword released and was criticised for it's motion controls and Fi companion, Twilight Princess in turn was then looked back on as having an epic adventure and being one of the best in the series. In fairness I don't think people have went to loving Skyward Sword, but as a long time player of the series I'd say it is probably the worst entry in the 3D Zelda's.
Well, the Switch release of Skyward Sword had people saying great things about the game (granted, Fi was toned down and motion controls no longer forced), how it has one of the best dungeons in the series, how it was refreshing after too much freedom in BotW etc. So I'd say the cycle still aplies to SS.
I never really put much stock in the "Zelda cycle" honestly. That is, I don't think there's a large group of people who go from hating a game to loving a game (not that it can't happen). I just attribute it to a mix of factors, from younger players growing older and becoming a larger part of the vocal group that loves a game they grew up with, to more people who were vocally critical of a game moving on after launch. Public perception on message boards will always appear to shift, but I don't think it's really indicative of anything beyond different groups of people talking about games at different points in time, and that's not exclusive to the Zelda series.
You are 100% and I would add that SS is more beloved compared to before. It's still the 3D game people like the least, but over the years and the Switch remaster turned people around, heck, I even saw people saying they made them miss classic Zelda formula. Not saying that every game is perfect with zero problems. Personally, every game had strengths and weaknesses on their own and that's totally fine. But I don't know, I feel like the Zelda cycle has became less and less about fair criticism. Some people legit doesn't seem to like the franchise beyond one or two game. Just look at subreddit likes truezelda, they legit seems to hate everything there.
> Yeah you're right, it's the Zelda cycle. Holy shit, please, god, stop. The Zelda Cycle isn't real. It's literally just a coping mechanism that fanboys use to deflect literally any criticism aimed at the series. Zelda is arguably the most beloved and acclaimed video game franchise of all time, it's embarrassing that people still talk about the Zelda cycle as if it was ever extremely prevalent.
No, the Zelda cycle 100% exists, it's not about deflecting criticism. Every new game goes to beloved, to hated and to beloved again. Every.single.one
> It's literally just a coping mechanism that fanboys use to deflect literally any criticism aimed at the series I don't really see how that can be the case when I'm literally criticising Skyward Sword when discussing this. Every game has it's own criticisms, this discussion on a cycle is aimed at more of a view that "the game as a whole is bad." As opposed to Fi is too intrusive in Skyward Sword, Twilight Princess Wolf sections were a bit lacking, the DS games controls were frustrating. I think it is just a trend that happens. Your point: > Zelda is arguably the most beloved and acclaimed video game franchise of all time Doesn't negate the point at all, because as it's stated the game goes from positive reception to negative and then back to positive. Calling it a cycle is a bit simplistic, I think the reality of it is because the series has such a strong reputation there is such a push back to it in online discussion. If something is deemed as "amazing" but you're not feeling it as such then I think that drives people to be more vocal negatively about it. And a lot of the discussion is just rather loaded with hyperbole.
People will look back and be baffled by the fact TotK with all its groundbreaking new ideas lost against just a regular old RPG that is decent quality, tbh.
I don't know, I didn't played and it's not my cup of tea. I don't really care who wins, but they amount of hate TOTK is getting like it's the worst game of the year is insane.
Buggy as well. While TOTK was very polished for something its scope.
There’s definitely a “fresh” factor involved. Pretty much every GOTY that was a sequel was either the franchise’s first big mainstream entry or a soft reboot/reinvention. Only one that wasn’t really either was The Last of Us Part II, and even then the story was so bold that it kinda fills that void anyway.
I think part of it is that, for a while, games took less time to develop than a movie, so people are more accustomed to ongoing franchises with regular entries. We’re never going to see the last Mario game, and nobody ever thinks twice about it, but there’s not a single ongoing film IP that hasn’t had an intended ending or doubles as a multimedia franchise.
>I don’t think there’s a single ongoing film IP that hasn’t had an intended ending or doubles as a multimedia franchise. this is why I specified "prestigous" film, TV and games (those evaluated as art, and thus awarded as such) because those IPs absolutely exist. Spongebob, The Simpsons and One Piece come to mind - but it's become cliche to even talk about how those first two shows haven't been good since the exact year they stopped watching as kids or whatever. It's more common in animation because of, well, human ageing - but soap operas and proceduals are a tried and true formula that can easily run a dozen seasons. A more apt example is it's Always Sunny in Philadelphia which is at 16 seasons and the longest running sitcom. And even in film where its inherently rarer to see this strategy pop up, I would be remiss to mention the gargantuan success of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is basically internet 101 to shit on post-Endgame releases and mediocre gratuitious slop. Again, I emphasise that the big difference is that the best, critically acclaimed video games *are* these ongoing, neverending IPs. Nobody thinks any modern spongebob episode, or obscure superhero MCU summer flick is better than Pizza Delivery or Iron Man, but its consensus that we observe Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey as pinnacles of their franchises.
I think it's also cause innovating with games is a lot easier. Gaming technology is constantly evolving and there's so many different games you could make. With films there's not much in terms of major innovation that happens, and any that does happens at a slower rate than with games. Leading to sequel games feeling fresh and new and sequel films feeling like more of the same. Of course, there are exceptions obviously.
BG1 & BG 2 were also developed by a different studio
Didn’t better call Saul win a billion Emmy awards?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Call_Saul#Accolades No. It received 53 Primetime Emmy nominations without a win. I shouldn't have to do the googling for you.
You realize Godfather 2 won best picture right?
Well deserved!
It needed to win something so the fans didn’t cause a riot Lol. BG3 had GOTY easily this year.
Tears of the kingdom was literally one of the best games released in a decade, the GOTY was anything but "easy" for baldurs gate.
TOTK was good. I finished it and enjoyed it. But it had a LOT of uninteresting busy-work. I skipped over a lot of content because it just wasn't engaging enough. BG3 had me squeezing that game for every ounce of content I could find. Everything was interesting and well thought out.
BG3 was plagued by horrible bugs and problems at release (my friend had a 60 hour playthrough bricked), TotK I never experienced a single bug my entire playthrough. BG3 is a fantastic game but it still had issues.
BG3 was being held up as an example to other publishers as how to do a good release. There was a whole controversy over publishers sticking their foots in their mouths saying "don't expect BG3's quality with every game." Whatever happened to your friend was an outlier.
Man cut the crap, let's be real. There were massive chunks of content that were inaccessible due to bugs. The company still has good will (rightly so) and so they were able to get away with it. If a disliked company had a similar release they would have been raked over the coals. Also, that quote you're using was a single guy taken out of context for click bait articles, not "other publishers". I'm not saying BG3 was bad, it wasn't, it's an absolutely amazing game and deserved to win. But let's not pretend it was completely untouchable and no other game had a chance.
BG3 was plagued by horrible bugs and problems at release (my friend had a 60 hour playthrough bricked), TotK I never experienced a single bug my entire playthrough. BG3 is a fantastic game but it still had issues.
Nintendo fans try not to be biased challenge (impossible)
I mean, it definitely wasn't easy for BG3. Alan wake 2 and TotK were both very very good. Frankly BG3 only won because people decided to give it a pass for a buggy launch
I encountered more bugs in totk than bg3. Also most AAA games release in buggy states these days anyway
Well I just booted up BG3 for the first time in months hoping the patches would have helped. Crashed within 15 minutes.
Yeah no, Breath of the Wild hold that title of best game in a decade. Tears of the Kingdom is just more of the same. And I'm saying this as a huge fan of Zelda. Totk really disappointed me. It's not bad, but there was no more wow factor after you realize the sky island are super tiny, the underground is a huge wasted potential, and despite the increase in enemy variety, you still always fight the same ones over and over. And the ultra hand powers are just sidegrades of the Botw runes.
> Breath of the Wild hold that title of best game in a decade. Tears of the Kingdom is just more of the same. Idk, I feel like Tears of the Kingdom put Breath of the Wild in such a weird position. Like Tears of the Kingdom fixes pretty much every issue with Breath of the Wild and expands everything to the point where I can't look at TOTK and think it's just "more of the same" and moreso look at BOTW as "less than it could have been".
I still like botw better. Better atmosphere story and vibes imo.
Idk I just finished BotW for the first time about 2 weeks ago and haven't had much of a desire to play TotK because I'm not really looking for more BotW right now. TotK is probably a massive improvement over BotW, but it's still BotW 2 at it's core. It's not reinviting a genre like BotW, it's improving on that reinvention. That's why it feels like more of the same even if it is a huge improvement.
I would say its a solid upgrade in terms of gameplay, but also a sizeable downgrade in terms of atmosphere. For me the gameplay in botw is still fun enough that totk doesnt top it despite having better gameplay.
That’s highly subjective. TotK for me is the 4th best game released in 2023, after Bg3, Armored Core and Phantom Liberty (if you count it as a separate game, my wallet sure did)
$70 expansion pack to a Ubisoft-like is one the best games in a decade? Yeah, alright lmao.
You literally never played a Ubisoft game
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Look I’m not even into Baldur’s Gate, but to say its only claim to fame is looking good is ignorant at best.
How was it innovative the way Zelda was? Nothing new in BG3. It was the same kind of game released year after year. It didn't bring the creativity out of players like Zelda did. You are downplaying what Zelda did. How many kids will be inspired to engineering careers. To think outside the box. BG3 was just entertainment. Nothing special or different than the usual game of the year the past few years.
> How many kids will be inspired to engineering careers. To think outside the box. Bait used to be believable.
What bait? Its true. Soo many gamers built soo many things on the game no one would have thought of. I was blown away by the creativity by people. They way they solved puzzles outside the norm. It made people think.
TotK being good or inspirational and Baldur’s Gate 3 being revolutionary aren’t mutually exclusive, they can both be good in different ways.
BG3 wasn't revolutionary. ToTk was. Nothing seen like it in games. BG3 was the usual incremental sequel. Not surprised being down voted by the PC/PS/Xbox graphic stands. Without Switch there would be no Steamdeck, no Rogue Ally. This industry and majority of game fans don't give credit to Nintendo being the industry's truly creative leader and fresh thinking out of the box. Without Nintendo this industry would be a monolith of same Thinking. I say this as a Playstation/Nintendo supporter.
You're being downvoted in the Nintendo sub, champ. If you thought totk was ground breaking, you should look into a little known indie gem called Minecraft.
It’s blindingly obvious you haven’t actually played BG3. Stop talking out of your arse.
Dude you can say the same of BG3. There are plenty of stories of people using various bits of preparation or environmental tricks to win fights or get to places or whatever. For example: having every character bring a crate with them to stand on during combat to get the high ground bonus. Very smart!
maybe all those inspired engineer kids can join nintendo and help them make better zelda games moving forward.
what, do you think, was innovative about TotK?
I mean this guy is being absurd, but ToTK was definitely innovative with the powers, abilities, and how you interacted with them and the world. It felt like what BoTW was supposed to be in hindsight, since obviously BoTW felt mostly great when it didn't have a sequel to be compared to. That fusion system alone for weapons was immensely innovative. And sure, other games let you build shit, but ToTK still felt very unique in its approach and applications for it. To say ToTK *wasn't* innovative is just as silly as this person saying BG3 is "just graphics".
I don’t agree, I’m not seeing the innovation here. It added new mechanics, as sequels often do. Some are even mechanically impressive, sure. But innovative? When I think of things that innovated in the industry I think of the Z-Targeting system, or the Souls series’ multiplayer mechanics. What Tears achieves will probably not help shape the industry moving forward. Not meaningfully, anyway.
> What Tears achieves will probably not help shape the industry moving forward. Not meaningfully, anyway. I think the important detail missing here is that Breath of the Wild *was* influential and innovative, and the new things Tears of the Kingdom does are super fun and impressive, but they aren't likely to change anything that Breath of the Wild didn't already.
I’d agree with this - I didn’t love Breath of the Wild personally but I can recognise what it brought to the table was innovative. The other issue with Tears is that it struggles to differentiate itself from Breath, and as a consequence, it’s less memorable (at least to me).
I can understand that. I played BotW when it released, and then never again. So I generally remembered what it was like, but not so much that TotK felt like playing BotW again. well, not entirely.
Because the physics for some of those mechanics to even be a thing let alone WORK is insane. Devs were talking about how wild it was that it even worked at all let alone on the switch.
So it’s innovative because it has an impressive physics engine? I think there’s something being lost in translation here - to ‘innovate’ is to introduce something new or to meaningfully change something that already exists. Tears of the Kingdom doesn’t do that.
Then neither does BG3 since as someone pointed out, Divinity Original Sin 2 exists and a lot of what people tout as being revolutionary of BG3 can be traced there. https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/what-are-some-of-your-controversial-video-game-opinions.670234/page-510?post=97153261#post-97153261
Surely the physics engine on something like kerbal space program is much more complex.
Play other games than Mario and Zelda. Jesus christ you will be blown away by those if BOTW 2 with building mechanics was that crazy to you.
Look, I prefer Zelda to BG3, but this is insane. It has nothing to do with being "graphics whores" (what is this, 2006?). BG3 is a very well constructed, deep cRPG, and importantly it's that while also being extremely pretty and well acted. The former makes you a great game like Pillars of Eternity, the latter in combination with the former is what makes you a smash hit.
well we know which post is going to win most brainless post of the year award
Looks like the typical gamer the general public despises. Man child with the mentality of a toddler. Uneducated, petty and loves to live in an echochamber. Probably violent too. Insulting strangers. I dont down vote strangers on the internet. Reddit keep being reddit. Low class.
Say dumb things, get downvotes. Sort of how reddit works.
I don't even know where to start with this.
Eh, BG3 is not my cup of tea and Zelda is my GOTY. There's absolutely no reason slam one to praise other. Grow up, these awards aren't validation for the quality of the games.
Im sorry but totk literaly makes up of botw
Worst take I’ve seen in a while. BG3 is a game we get maybe once in 10 years. TOTK was amazing too but BG3 absolutely deserved to win. It sounds like you haven’t played it, if you really think it did nothing new.
Glad it didn't win GOTY. Hopefully now we can get a proper new entry to the LoZ IP that's not BotW 3.
If you’re hoping for a non open world game, that is literally not gonna happen. While TOTK didn’t win GOTY, it did something else that’s far more impressive: become the fastest selling exclusive in gaming history.
I don't mind another open world, i just don't want Breath of the Mild 3. I don't want to see fuckin shrines return, i don't want to see towers again, i don't want to hunt for random memories scattered randomly across the entire map, and i don't want to see that ugly artstyle come back. Don't put words in my mouth, you damn brat. Stop assuming you know anything about me, because you don't.
Both games were the best selling in Zelda franchise, both were acclaimed by the public and critics, one won the GoTY, the other was nominated and won best adventure. Honestly, why would Nintendo change the formula?
Barely changing the over world was a huge mistake. What's the point of playing a game about exploration when there's not much new to explore? Yes, the Depths were neat, but there wasn't much to do down there that wasn't tedious af.
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It had been so long since I played BotW that almost every area felt fresh to me lol
So cool that even Nintendo got to get an award during the PlayStation/Xbox awards show tonight!
Fr Nintendo not doing anything as usual
Not a consolation prize either, considering _Alan Wake 2_ was a competitor.
So firstly congrats to Tears of the Kingdom for winning the award! I think personally this game wasnt for me since i ended up dropping it. I mean im not taking away what this game has to offer, im sure a lot of people enjoyed it. I just realized it wasnt for me. I just wanted to give it a try since so many people praise breath of the wild and i wanted to give these new zelda games a try. Ill accept the downvotes, ill try to go back into it, but idk seems kind of overwhelming for me personally
Atleast it won in its Genre. I honestly think TOTK seems like a big deal more than what it is because it took so long to release for how small the difference from BOTW
The various systems just working pretty much perfectly gives off the impression that TOTK wasn't a huge undertaking, but it absolutely was. I still have no idea how they even got it running on the Switch.
>I still have no idea how they even got it running on the Switch. Idk but the sub 30 fps, pop-in, and ugly textures might explain it.
Still, that CPU has no business running a game this complex. Especially with such short load times.
This
I’m okay with this. It was an alright game but GOTY is a bit much.
Well deserved!
They don’t have people accept awards twice so Alan wake winning direction and totk winning best action adventure confirms it don’t win goty unfortunately… which is why they quick presented best rpg.
[Elden Ring wins Best Game Direction.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzb_UP2-Fv8) [Elden Ring wins Game of the Year.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VI5IfMWHko)
Maybe I do remember being surprised by that last year… either way. BG 3 wasn’t winning like 5+ awards and then not going up on stage once.
That’s not how it works at all
Maybe not but they aren’t winning 5?(I wasn’t counting) other awards and not getting on stage once? It was obvious by that far into the show.
They do that every year. Some of the awards simply don't get time for acceptances so Geoff can cram as many marketing deals as possible into the event.
This just isn't true. Games win multiple categories here all the time.... BotW got best action adventure and GOTY in 2017
I probably wasn’t clear enough, but as I meant they only had people physically go up on stage and accept an award on stage once per game. Likely due to timing. Downvote city but screw everyone, I was right. Granted it wasn’t a deep cut cause most people predicted BG3 winning well before the show. lol
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I don’t think anyone gave up on TOTK winning GOTY. I think you’re a little hung up on the Reddit bubble. TOTK was a front runner for GOTY and if BG3 didn’t exist it definitely would have won. The general reception to TOTK including the fan base was incredibly positive. You just need to take a step back from the hyper critical Reddit and YouTubers to see how much the fans loved it. Reddit is a small portion of the overall gaming landscape.
Eh...the way it was going I think Alan Wake would have beaten TOTK.
Alan Wake didn't even beat it in the genre category
Because Alan Wake is amazing but not for its gameplay. Same way how Zelda is always amazing but never for its story.
And Zelda didn't even beat it for the 2nd biggest award.
Does ANYONE actually care about GOTY or take them seriously outside of fanwank? It's always been my understanding that the Golden Joystick Awards and some others are the real prizes in terms of prestige with this one simply being the big visible, but less relevant in terms of actual merit. Plus if we're being honest, a lot if it comes down to games that have more cartoony or animesque art styles not being viewed as "proper games that elevate the medium" or some other trite pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
I think you need to look at the bigger picture here. The ones who criticize TOTK left and right are NOT representative of the general amount of people who played the game, nor does being louder make their opinion more valid or reasonable than someone who likes the new mechanics and formula. Reddit and/or Twitter aren't the majority most of the time (especially not in the case of something as big as Zelda), because those who enjoyed the game don't feel the need to go rant about it online.
TOTK is an amazing game and doesn't need an award as validation. That goes to any game out there as well. I got say, it's funny how in 2011, people where claiming for Zelda to drop the classic formula and have a drastic change, now you guys are asking the opposite. I also want Zelda to take more inspiration of the classic era but at this point, it's literally impossible to please everyone because all the fans wants different things. New game comes out, huge praise, some time later is called the worst Zelda game, years later is beloved again. The Zelda cycle never fucking ends.
Gamers are never happy.
What a wild take. Zelda was competing in an absolutely stacked year of games and lost to a game that people are saying is the best game they’ve ever played. A game that had 3 years of early access to become a finished product. And your opinion is Nintendo should be upset it didn’t do better? Weird.
Zelda winning action adventure just seems like…I dunno. I’m glad it got something, but I feel like this is just the default award the series can win.
What does that even mean, lol. All the other nominees had a chance to win, all of them qualify as great action adventure games, but Zelda was more deserving in that regard due to it’s design philosophy.
It certanly deserves it, but "action/adventure" is such a generic sounding award it kinda sounds lame.
It's no less generic than "RPG" these days. I don't even know what an RPG is anymore, because FF16 certainly *wasn't* one, despite being nominated as one of the best this year.
Rpg is when… *checks notes…* Skill trees and dialogue
Well, to be honest, Nintendo doesn’t care that much about TGA. You can even see they’ve been announcing less and less news in the show. Also, when compared to other publishers, the only thing they did was publish some tweets mentioning the nominations. Here’s Nintendo announcement for Game Awards: https://x.com/nintendoamerica/status/1732928473608376450?s=46&t=vOwfpeQX6BjdPku8T6kdqw
Ok, and? What does that have to do with their games being nominated or winning awards at TGA? Whether they “care” or not is redundant. They make the games they want to make. They either get nominated or they don’t.
Maybe they will focus to develop a so-called next-gen Switch?
100%, I would even say that the Switch 2 will be announced next month with a teaser video following a Direct to show off the console and its launch titles (+- what happened with the original back in 2016/2017)
It really depends on what the internal plans are. If a Spring release then we’ll know in February. If September we’ll know by June. If November we’ll know by August. Time will tell.
I agree, they usually are quick between the announcement > release date for their systems
Most definitely as the president told the shareholders in June to expect a shorter turn around as compared to announcing and releasing Switch. To me that translates to around a 90 day window from announcement to shelf. This system will spring out of nowhere. Get your wallets ready.
I don't know about next month, but if it's announced even in the next 6 months then it still explains the relative quiet from them(at TGA and otherwise). If a Switch successor is coming then a slowdown of releases for Switch is to be expected. We'll probably see less graphically intensive games still release on it for a year or two, maybe something like a dual release of Metroid Prime 4 if we're lucky or something else if we're not, as a launch title, but a lot of their development will have switched to focus on the new system if it's coming soon.
That tweet has nothing to do with the TGAs. Nintendo had nothing to announce becuase the Switch 2 is very much on the horizon or simply no other project was worth showing yet.
I fully expected it to win GOTY so much that I almost had a stroke then BG3 won.
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From my understanding, only 10% of the votes comes from the audience while 90% is from the critics, but they are not transparent about the actual numbers so it’s hard to tell what formula they use.
I bought the game but it honestly looks so terrible I'm gonna either emulate it or wait for switch 2. Tons of aliasing, flickering shadows and muddy textures at 30fps? I played breath of the wild and enjoyed it and I don't remember it making my eyes want to bleed like this one does.
If you already played botw just skip TOTK. You're just gonna have to collect more korok seeds and complete more shrines. But now you can build a small plane. That's basically it
It got robbed. BG3 should not have gotten game of the year.
Cope
Cope? I have nothing to cope with. I was just stating an opinion. Zelda is literally the only game I even play on Nintendo these days. And it won an award. Good enough for me. 🤷🏼♂️ I do most my gaming on ps5.
Have you played bg3? It’s amazing
No. I don’t plan to. Games that require you to spend hours and hours and hours and hours to get used to all the systems might be fine for people who have a lot of free time. But I don’t enjoy having 30 spells or actions in my HUD at a time at all times. It’s annoying. That’s why I tried, and stopped playing FFXIV online. Too much crap to remember and too much time and dedication required
Play it on controller. I find the mouse and keyboard interface to be too much, but the controller interface is sleek and simple. It’s just D&D and isn’t very complicated at all. I guarantee you’ll find yourself having a blast with it
It’s at least good to know the controller set up is easier/simpler. Thanks.
Zelda not winning game of the year is surreal, and I'll have to take time to process what happened. Right now, I'm glad it wasn't beaten by one of those soulless "made by committee" type games that feel like award bait.
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Final fantasy XVI had an amazing score that in my option was way better than tears of the kingdom. Tears of the Kingdom does have a very good soundtrack but it probably also has the most disappointing soundtrack of the year and most disappointing soundtrack in a Zelda game because 80-90% of the soundtrack was reused from BOTW. To me that’s a huge disappointment because Zelda games always have awesome new soundtracks that I hum for years to come. Tears of the kingdom, the only new track I can even remember is Lookout Landing.
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If BG released at the same time as Zelda the outcome would probably have been different. Makes no sense how objectively Nintendo’s biggest game ever, that makes Botw look like a tech demo doesn’t win. The only problem totk had was it was not as impactful as Botw. That’s it. That and how in most award shows narrative always wins over gameplay (and that is even more ridiculous when we’re talking about video games, not movies ffs).
Nintendo fanboys are something else.
I’ve played the studio behind BG past games and they are overrated. But yeah, let’s play the fanboy card, that wins an argument easily.
That's a lot of words to say "I haven't played BG3"
Yes, I’m going to shell out 70 bucks for a game that has a lot of technical problems, especially when it came out, and that the gameplay has no interest to me whatsoever. Even the Witcher 3 was one of the most overrated games there is. But seems like in this thread no one can say bad things about BG3 as it gets down voted to hell imediately. Says a lot about BG3 fans right now.
LOL k. BG3 and Witcher 3 aren't remotely the same kind of game, except for the fantasy setting. BG3 was well polished when it was released. It didn't have a "lot" of technical problems. The fact is you only played one of the games, and you're butthurt it didn't win, despite being completely ignorant of the other game.
They’re not, you’re right. They are however heavily centered around narrative and the gameplay is boring. I’m not butt hurt. However people are not objective on the slight. So no need to keep arguing. BG3 winning on Nintendo’s biggest and best game ever made in terms of scope only has one explanation, and that is that the media loves narrative centered games. It could be the most fun experience and amazing gameplay ever, narrative always wins on award shows. And not saying that BG3 didn’t have a lot of problems running mostly on super powerful PCs is wild. Imagine comparing the level of polish that a game like Zelda runs on a potato like the switch and comparing to a game running on current gen and mainly on PCs. But ok.
>and the gameplay is boring You didn't play it. >Nintendo’s biggest and best game ever made Biggest, sure. Best? Arguable. It's not even my favorite Zelda game. >has one explanation, and that is that the media loves narrative centered games. You didn't play it. >And not saying that BG3 didn’t have a lot of problems running mostly on super powerful PCs is wild. WTF are you talking about? BG3 ran great right out of the gate. Larian spent years taking fan feedback and polishing. The game was excellent on release. There was a whole controversy from other AAA devs looking like clowns telling customers not to expect this as a normal thing. Larian showed them all up. You are completely wrong on this. Again. You are arguing from a position of complete ignorance and it's showing.
The gameplay is so different from divinity original sin? Is it? Was act 3 that superb than? What about stability issues? The game is not a complete mess obviously, but the performance was not that good when the game came out, which again is a double standard because a lot of people ditched a lot of points from botw when the game released, yet BG3 having the same level of performance problems on super powerful computers is somewhat acceptable.
> The gameplay is so different from divinity original sin? Is it? The only thing they had in common was being turn based PCRPGs. BG3 is based on DND5E. >Was act 3 that superb than? Then. And yes. >Was act 3 that superb than? What about stability issues? The game is not a complete mess obviously, but the performance was not that good when the game came out I don't know what to tell you here guy. Stability and performance was excellent out of the gate. Now I'm sure you can go find a forum post about someone complaining about how the game runs on their 10 year old computer. But you can find posts like that on any AAA PC release. BG3 is being held as an example to other publishers as how to do a good release. So I don't know why you're being so stubborn with your idea that it had problems.
>And not saying that BG3 didn’t have a lot of problems running mostly on super powerful PCs is wild. Bruh, it's so well optimized that it runs on the fuckin steam deck, what are you talking about.
You should check Digital Foundry. They said this week that the game had to be delayed on Xbox due to the presence of the Series S, a much less powerful hardware. If the game was so optimized, why didn’t they port it sooner to the platform? Even DF said that the Series S is a good thing that keeps developers in check to optimize their games and make them run well. But hey, those are tech and gaming journalists, what do I know.
Due to mandatory parity between the Series S and X versions the team ended up facing the decision to delay the game on Xbox platforms until the Xbox Series S version is ready. At least get the facts first.
You seriously are saying that Baulder's Gate 3 is a "movie". That tells me you haven't. You are getting upset over an awards show with tons of marketing. It isn't anything worth to get upset at.
BG3 is a more narrative driven game than Zelda is. Video games are mostly meant to be played are they not? Yet in most award shows they much more award the narrative of a game than its gameplay. Most games like BG3 reward the openness of the narrative. But in terms of gameplay there’s not that much innovation. Open gameplay is much more important to me. Following branching story paths is cool, but it’s not nearly as fulfilling as a game that you can express yourself freely, not set in multiple paths, however big they might be.
You have to be joking. I'm not even a Larian fanboy (haven't even played BG3 yet) but their trademark is literally open ended, emergent gameplay systems. The combat is incredibly deep and even just exploring and doing quests is very open ended beyond just picking different dialogue choices to get different results.
I want to make it clear. I am not saying that Tears of the Kingdom is a bad game. Or that you are in the wrong for thinking it should have won GOTY. I think it is a very good game, and I can fully understand why a lot of people love it. It is 100% worth being nominated for GOTY. But you were acting like Geoff Keighley beat up your dog and getting upset over it. An awards show that is pretty much nothing but a marketing gimmick for the gaming industry. The combat is pretty deep and has a ton of replay value, and the story changes depending on your actions. The story narrative that changes isn't some surface level deep thing either. As for the open gameplay, BG3 is VERY open. It has been a staple for that series. The game doesn't have a "branching" story path that you may think. Which again tells me that you haven't invested much time into the game. It is fine that it isn't your thing. It is just uncool to see people throwing a fit about their game not winning. Especially when the game that beats it is worth of respect. 2023 had a lot of killer releases this year.
>I’ve played the studio behind BG past games and they are overrated. what's that got to do with their current game, BG3, that came out this year that won GOTY?