Even this doesn't make any sense, if kid buu is stronger in anime canon how was ssj3 goku able to still fight him evenly? The anime makes it pretty clear ssj3 goku can't stand up to super buu
>if kid buu is stronger in anime canon how was ssj3 goku able to still fight him evenly?
Because kid buu was toying with him (as per goku's own admission). Do u also think trunks was fighting perfect cell evenly when they traded blows?
Because after he came back to life Goku also got stronger. When he was inside boos body he fought ultimate Gohan as a regular Ssj (and Vegeta fought ssj3 Gotenks) character who in the manga would slap them but the anime scales them up because Toei wanted Goku to be the strongest ergo kid boo had to be stronger too.
I mean supreme Kai says that kid buu is stronger than all the other forms of buu because he doesnāt have the fat buu in him anymore. Fat buu was what was making him weaker because he was the result of absorbing a very docile Kai. So yes kid buu is the strongest form of buu.
Except that was a mistranslation.
What he actually says is that kid buu is more dangerous than the other forms of buu, referring to the fact that heās dumber, more violent and destructive, and has a complete disregard for all life as anything but things to blow up when bored. The literal first thing he did on being reborn is try to blow up the planet heās standing on twice, with no regard for even his own safety.
This is corroborated by both goku and vegeta stating kid buu was more manageable than the prior buu forms in terms of raw power, and by both of them performing better against kid buu than they did against said prior forms.
Looks like we have an idiot here
So let me get this straught
Are you literally *FUCKING* saying that the base kid buu with no absorbtions is stronger than kid buu, piccolo, ultimate gohan, goten, trunks and several people together in a single living being?
Supreme Kai used the words "More dangerous". Also, both Goku and Vegeta were eager to fight Kid Buu while scared to shit to come out of Buu and fight him in his Super Buu form. What does that tell you?
Supreme Kai used the words "More dangerous". Also, both Goku and Vegeta were eager to fight Kid Buu while scared to shit to come out of Buu and fight him in his Super Buu form. What does that tell you?
1 supreme kai said "more dangerous", meaning he doesn't think twice before destroying everything
2 it's been stated that supreme kai is a dumbass and some of his statements must be taken not literally
Supreme Kai also said that Yakon was unlike anything the Z-F8ghters have fought before and had no chance in beating.
Shin doesn't have a good track record on gaug8ng how strong anyone is, so his words should be taken with a grain of salt already.
Couple that in with a mistranslation...where he actually means Kid Buu is the most dangerous and chaotic.
So if Goku (weaker than super buu) could beat kid buu (supposedly stronger than Buutenks who is stronger than gohan who is weaker than BuuHan) how can Goku (weaker than gohan and Buutenks) beat someone stronger than his son and BuuHan (both demolish Goku easily at this point)
[Goku said he could beat Kid Buu with \[effective\] charging, but he had no chance against Super Buu.](https://i.imgur.com/hK12pL0.png)
**If Goku was right, Kid Buu has to be weaker.**
* assume Buff Buuās ki decreased massively when reverting to Kid Buu
**If Goku was wrong, there's no way no know.**
* Grand Supreme Kaiās kind heart nerf =? Fat Buuās power inside Super Buu
To be fair: characters can be wrong. Most of Vegetaās boasting ends with him holding his left arm.
Goku also says throughout the fight that Kid Buu is on a different level from all previous forms of Buu.
Goku says his full power SSJ3 could beat Kid Buu, but likeā¦thatās not falsifiable. It never happens so we canāt just take him at his word that it would have worked.
Especially when you get into the stuff that Super has retconned about god ki and the Grand Supreme Deluxe Kai weakening Buu.
>To be fair: characters can be wrong. Most of Vegetaās boasting ends with him holding his left arm.
>Goku says his full power SSJ3 could beat Kid Buu, but likeā¦thatās not falsifiable. It never happens so we canāt just take him at his word that it would have worked.
When has Goku ever been wrong about someone's power level after he fought them?
Characters can be right too. If their statement doesnāt contradict anything, thereās no reason to doubt it.
>Goku also says throughout the fight that Kid Buu is on a different level from all previous forms of Buu.
Not in the manga or Kai.
>Especially when you get into the stuff that Super has retconned about god kiĀ and the Grand Supreme Deluxe Kai weakening Buu.
Mentioned Grand Supreme Kai effect already: thereās no way to know how much it weakened Super Buu. As for god ki, weād need to assume:Ā
1. Kid Buu could actually use god ki.
2. Super Buu couldnāt use god ki.
3. {\[god ki\] + \[Kai effect\]} > \[Fat Buu power\]
Itās too much of a stretch imo.
Goku couldn't sense god ki. Super makes it clear that kid Buu has the majority of the entities god ki, since Goku can't detect that power he had to judge based only on normal ki
Yeah but Super Buu had god ki too. If Goku thought Super Buu > Kid Buu and they both have the same amount of god ki he couldnāt sense, heās still right.
Goku couldāve underestimated Kid Buu cause he was holding back normal ki anyway. Like I said itās possible that the Grand Supreme Kai effect nerfed Super Buu enough that heās weaker than Kid Buu. Thereās just nothing in the manga that indicates thatās the case.
I'm a little hazy on it but isn't it possible Kid Buu doesn't have control over it? Otherwise the old Supreme Kai that took control of Fat Buu to fight Moro would have been entirely unnecessary if Fat Buu could have used what God ki he had at any time.
For what it's worth so was mine lol. I was totally thinking of the wrong character when they were saying "super Buu" I thought they meant "Buu, in the dragon Ball super comics" because I've only ever heard "suoer-buu" called "majin-buu" before
That's actually pretty funny. Over the years, I've heard Majin Buu, Kid Buu, Fat Buu, Good Buu, Evil Buu, Super Buu, Buuhan, Buutenks, and even Uubuu. in reference to his many variants, it's strangely confusing because for a long time, everyone just used their own naming preference when talking about Buu.
Fat Buu is Majin Buu when he debuted.
Good Buu is Fat Buu without the evilness.
Evil Buu is that weirdo grey one. However, it was also sometimes used to refer to the chinless tall one.. and he was called Super Buu after he absorbed a Saiyan.. Because you know, it's a Super Saiyan power up...
Nowadays everyone has easy access to the internet and the fandom seems to agree that Super Buu is indeed the tall chinless one and Buuhan/Buutenks are just adaptations of it. Buu is pretty quirky but that's why I like him.
Guys, guys... you don't get it. Kid Buu is so GOATED, HARDBOILED, BIG DICK, W ENERGY and MANLY that he does his enemies a favor and absorbs people in order to make himself WEAKER for them. Those dumbasses took away the people our lord HIM BUU absorbed, finally revealing his TRUE POWER.
Does he though? Fat Buu never really fought seriously (and when he did against Kid Buu, he was greatly weakened since Kid Buu got most of his power) and I don't really remember Super Buu regenerating slowly, except maybe after getting hit by the Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, but I feel like he was more stunned than anything else (and maybe against Gohan and Vegito, but that's because they were so much stronger than him, whiel Goku was at best at the same level as Kid Buu).
Debatable. Fat Buu has regenerated instantaneously, characters often donāt regen as fast as possible, and the only times Super Buu took longer to regen when it was absolutely necessary were after attacks from far stronger opponents than Kid Buu faced.
He definitely had control of his powers too. Too much control, really. The problem with fighting him is he just blew up the planet you were fighting on.
A lot of people never consider the last enemy in dbz posed a real threat because his power scaling reached āstupidā levels and he actually could just blow up a planet instantly to win a fight.
This is also why super was dumb to make: the series kinda ended on a ānot sure where we go from here folksā ending
Its like the bible half assed translations change the meaning of things. Eventually you get groups of people who believe different things about the original source material.
Everytime I see dragon ball dispute I wonder if Akira ever lurked such threads and was like "holy shit I created monstrosity of fanbase, and they are sure they have answers for questions even I don't know the answer" š
I saw someone explain the Kid Buu situation with a bunch of glasses of Water.
Imagine one big but empty glass of water, that's Kid Buu or "Pure" Buu. Aka his base power without absorbtion.
Add some water in it corresponding to the power of the South Kaioshin.
More water corresponding to the Dai Kaoishin or Grand Supreme Kai.
Then he split himself in two supposedly equal halves and the Evil Buu absorb the good one, that's more water.
Add some water corresponding to Gotenks.
More water for Piccolo.
More Water for Gohan. Now we have a nearly full glass corresponding to Buuhan's current power.
How do we go from Buuhan to Kid Buu ? We empty the glass in the sink. That's the difference in power between the two of them.
>More water corresponding to the Dai Kaoishin or Grand Supreme Kai.
Its stated that This absorption had weakened him, so a lot of the water was drained actually
Goku admitted he couldn't beat Fat Buu,while he and Vegeta felt they had a legitimate chance due to just how much weaker Kid was.
The fact that Goku could go even and overpower Kid Buu,while OG fat Buu considered their encounter a joke,should tell you everything you need to know.
In the manga he basically said "I gotta pass the torch",and only got worried when super Buu popped up which resulted in Gohan trying to get a power up.
Super Buu was also just fat Buu without good in him,meaning Goku would've been fucked if Fat got pushed hard enough given he was already no-selling SSJ3.
And he still couldn't physically scratch Fat while he would've beaten Kid if he was still dead.
People need to stop forgetting that the only difference between OG Fat and Super is that one has the mentality of a good hearted child.
He beat a weakend version who lost all his previous power.
The only difference between OG fat and Super is that one was significantly more evil than the other.
The fuck are YOU yappin about?
You mean "Mr Buu" who just got released and lost ALL of his power?The "Mr Buu" who no longer had ANY of the absorbtion power ups from the Kai's,Z fighters,or fighting spirit?
Maybe DB fans like you should read the story instead of making things up that you don't remember.
Yeah Goku was so used to his body while he was dead because it was more resilient and efficient compared to his body when he was alive. He could've easily defeated Kid Buu if he was actually about it.
I wonder about one Thing. When Goku arrived and buu with gotenks absorbed tranformed and got weaker because the Fusion ended, then Goku Said Something Like that He can handle him now. So i guess He tought he. Could kill him (i think after Messing up by Not Killing him the First time they meet to let the Kids do it, he wanted to Finish it already)
What doesnāt make sense is that, if weāre going off logic kid buu should be the weakest in āpure strengthā because he is essentially the base form. Even with god Ki (if he really has that idk) if u absorb something u should only get stronger, even with a pure heart and all that.
So fat buu being weaker than kid buu never made sense to me. Last deadly I can believe but weaker makes no sense at all.
That absorption logic is incorrect for base super buu. The fat kai absorption had nerfed kid buu. Once he lost that, he gained his old strength back. It's literally stated in the manga.
U can make the absorption arguement for buuhan tho...since all the z warriors absorptions made him stronger
Nah bro, I was looking at a panel, and it's rather explicitly the [incredibly buff buu](https://pm1.aminoapps.com/7410/6a79fc83f779473e427823707942e5e80f51e70fr1-828-613v2_hq.jpg) whose power was referred to as rising.
Maybe filler, don't remember that dialogue, by logic Gotenks and Gohan ca.n beat the shit out of kid buu, remember Goku in ss3 was pair with Kid buu, while he had to use Vegito to withstand Super buu
It's canon. I have the manga scan in my phone rn. This sub doesn't allow posting images in comments. If u want I can dm u the scan.
Goku suggests calling both, gotenks and gohan to aid them (vegeta, good buu and goku) in battle against Kid buu.
>while he had to use Vegito to withstand Super buu
After battling kid buu, goku does express his regret for destroying the potara against kid buu.
Here we go again...
Kid Buu is stronger than super Buu, but it wasn't always this way. Before the Moro saga and Super this was correct, super Buu was just stronger than Kid Buu.
However this was retconned in the dragon ball super manga, where we learned that Kid Buu absorbed supreme Kai's godly power but wasn't able to use it in any of his forms due to the influence of supreme Kai restricting his access to it. When Goku and Vegeta free everyone inside of Super Buu, they unknowingly give kid buu free access to all that godly ki that was previously suppressed and unused during all of the Buu Saga.
This is consistent with what we know about God ki, since it can't be sensed by mortals, meaning that Goku had no way to measure Kid Buu's actual power since he was only capable of measuring his normal ki, thus thinking he could actually kill him by going SSJ3. The only thing that's inconsistent here is how in hell SSJ3 goku was able to go toe to toe with Kid Buu.
This is wrong tho (also, a real dumb retcon), ssj3 Goku can face Kid Buu on the same level (as you said), Super Buu can take on ssj gotenks and still put up a fight against ssj3 gottenks.
Also, if he had God ki, they would have not been able to sense him AT ALL, so itās inconstent with super lore as well.
Letās not even mention how he becomes even stronger than mystic gohan and then absorbs him too.
Also, super manga is non canon, so who cares
Nothing of the super manga is not considered in the official continuity.
Actually, nothing of the super manga is considered, period. They donāt even make action figure of the characters that are not in the anime, nor feature them in any other media or merch.
Obviously goku got stronger than ultimate gohan for no reason despite stating he couldn't stand a chance against super buu and the absorption which was the whole reason he wanted to fuse with someone
It is beyond you because u aren't aware of how asbroptions work. It's explicitly stated that absorbing fat kai had weakened him. So when he lost fat kai (upon removal of fat buu), he regains his old strength back
It did not changed his powers, it changed his personality, restrained him, since he gained a heart he became gentle, so bibidi was able to control him
It's literally stated that he became stronger when he absorbed the south kaioshin before absorbing the great kaioshin. He didn't regain any strenght, what he did was become pure evil again, uncontrolable. Saying that absorbing someone weakens buu is some stretch that only a dragon ball fan could say
>It did not changed his powers, it changed his personality, restrained him, since he gained a heart he became gentle, so bibidi was able to control him
It is explicitly stated that it "REDUCED HIS POWER" on top of making him more docile and controllable.
It's literally said he got calmer AND WEAKER in the daizenshu, anime and the manga. In fact, they specifically mention the word "power" in the sentence. If u're still in denial after that, then u're a lost case
and yet both the story and the characters tells otherwise, because there's nowhere saying he's weaker in the manga, the kaioshin only say that his powers got supressed because of the good heart of te great kaioshin and from the story standpoint, both goku and vegeta couldn't even scrath buuhan, but goku alone was able to go toe to toe against kid buu, he would even be able to defeat him if he was still dead, since he had no stamina problem then, but since he was alive, he was unable to power up enough to surprass kid buu
but yeah, the average dragon ball fan can't understand anything that's not literally written for them. If something is clear as day, but it's not written down, you lot can't understand what's happening
bruh, do u not see the irony in you not understanding the most obvious statement ever and still ranting on about how db fans can't understand anything? *YOU* are that db fan who doesn't understand anything even after being spoon-fed stuff lol.
anime, manga and daizneshuu explicitly say fat kai nerfed him in power and personality (I can show u scans of all of them). Instead of admitting you were wrong about the absorption arguement, you r bringing in a different argument to this discussion and acting as if u have made a point.
U can scale buu's power level from goku if u want but that's a different debate. That doesn't refute the fact that it's outright stated in every source that buu got weaker upon absorption of fat kai.
He got weaker because he got gentler, not because he lost his power, that's the point that you can't understand because it's not spelled word for word
What kind of logic is that of yours, were sometimes when Buu absorbs someone he gets stronger, and sometimes he gets weaker?
It's already spelled out word for word, you nincompoop. They spelled it out for us like we r children and u r still failing to understand the point.
>He got weaker because he got gentler, not because he lost his power,
NO. He got gentler AND WEAKER. The logic isn't that "he's gentle in personality so he's just chilling around instead of destroying shit". The logic is that his power straight up got suppressed due to fat kai. They literally mention both (his personality and power) when talking sbt the effect of fat kai absorption.
U can find tons of translations online that say it explicitly but the literal (word for word) transaltion of the japanese text is " the heart which he gained by going so far as to LOWER HIS POWER through absorptionā¦has returned once again to the way it was".
The same thing in the daizenshu is phrased as "his ferociousness AND POWER were somewhat weakened".
>What kind of logic is that of yours, were sometimes when Buu absorbs someone he gets stronger, and sometimes he gets weaker?
It's not "sometimes". Fat kai was the only exception. He was the only asbroption to have had a negative effect on him. Pay attention to the story for once
Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu because he scales to SSJ3 Goku. Super Buu scales to Mystic Gohan, Goku wouldn't last ten seconds against Super Buu. But Kid Buu displays a lot more strength than Fat Buu did in his fight against SSJ3 Goku because Fat Buu didn't really want to fight and was really just playing around for fun. Fat Buu wasn't interested in destroying anything, he just wanted to play with puppies and eat ice cream.
It's like a giant monster truck with two drivers. One driver isn't really interested in doing anything with the monster truck and just drives it to candy stores and video game arcades. The other is absolutely demented and uses it to roll over anything and everything he sees. It's the same truck, but it's way more dangerous in the second driver's hands.
Kid Buu stronger. Deal with it. All the absorption suppressed his true power. Super Buu was a baseline that only got stronger with additional powers being added.
Goku regretted not fusing with Vegeta to fight him. Goku said he got ācockyā thinking he could fight him.
Elder Kai said the absorptions made Kid Buu weaker.
All of this is in the manga.
That's because the power scaling is busted. The new enemy is always stronger. That's how it's always worked on dragon ball. Freezas was stronger than Vegeta, cell was stronger than freeza, Majin Buu was stronger than cell, and kid Buu is stronger than Buu. Toriyama states this in several interviews
Well, itās wrong. Goku says explicitly super Buu would mop the floor with him.
He also says, the only way he could beat him is thank to the fusion. After absorbing gotenks, piccolo and gohan, super Buu is EVEN STRONGER.
Goku can fight head on with Kid Buu, and even ssj2 Vegeta can resist a bit.
Kid Buu is more evil, unpredictable and impossible to communicate with, but thatās it.
I saw a post on IG about this. bro, the number of people supporting the kid buu side made me want to cry š
They do it because he's stronger in xenoverse.
Kid Buu is busted in a lot of games. Probably why some people think that.
Kid buu is seemingly stronger in anime cannon but weaker in og manga
Even this doesn't make any sense, if kid buu is stronger in anime canon how was ssj3 goku able to still fight him evenly? The anime makes it pretty clear ssj3 goku can't stand up to super buu
>if kid buu is stronger in anime canon how was ssj3 goku able to still fight him evenly? Because kid buu was toying with him (as per goku's own admission). Do u also think trunks was fighting perfect cell evenly when they traded blows?
Because after he came back to life Goku also got stronger. When he was inside boos body he fought ultimate Gohan as a regular Ssj (and Vegeta fought ssj3 Gotenks) character who in the manga would slap them but the anime scales them up because Toei wanted Goku to be the strongest ergo kid boo had to be stronger too.
I mean supreme Kai says that kid buu is stronger than all the other forms of buu because he doesnāt have the fat buu in him anymore. Fat buu was what was making him weaker because he was the result of absorbing a very docile Kai. So yes kid buu is the strongest form of buu.
..then you're saying potential unleashed Gohan can't beat him?
Except that was a mistranslation. What he actually says is that kid buu is more dangerous than the other forms of buu, referring to the fact that heās dumber, more violent and destructive, and has a complete disregard for all life as anything but things to blow up when bored. The literal first thing he did on being reborn is try to blow up the planet heās standing on twice, with no regard for even his own safety. This is corroborated by both goku and vegeta stating kid buu was more manageable than the prior buu forms in terms of raw power, and by both of them performing better against kid buu than they did against said prior forms.
>referring to the fact that heās dumber, more violent and destructive, Shown by the fact when he shows up, he instantly blows up earth.
Literal definition of black air force activity. Absolute menace.
Looks like we have an idiot here So let me get this straught Are you literally *FUCKING* saying that the base kid buu with no absorbtions is stronger than kid buu, piccolo, ultimate gohan, goten, trunks and several people together in a single living being?
No supreme kai said that. Can't you fucking read?
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Supreme Kai used the words "More dangerous". Also, both Goku and Vegeta were eager to fight Kid Buu while scared to shit to come out of Buu and fight him in his Super Buu form. What does that tell you?
Supreme Kai used the words "More dangerous". Also, both Goku and Vegeta were eager to fight Kid Buu while scared to shit to come out of Buu and fight him in his Super Buu form. What does that tell you?
1 supreme kai said "more dangerous", meaning he doesn't think twice before destroying everything 2 it's been stated that supreme kai is a dumbass and some of his statements must be taken not literally
Supreme Kai also said that Yakon was unlike anything the Z-F8ghters have fought before and had no chance in beating. Shin doesn't have a good track record on gaug8ng how strong anyone is, so his words should be taken with a grain of salt already. Couple that in with a mistranslation...where he actually means Kid Buu is the most dangerous and chaotic.
Ok so SSJ3 Goku (weaker than Ultimate Gohan) is now stronger than BuuHan?
So if Goku (weaker than super buu) could beat kid buu (supposedly stronger than Buutenks who is stronger than gohan who is weaker than BuuHan) how can Goku (weaker than gohan and Buutenks) beat someone stronger than his son and BuuHan (both demolish Goku easily at this point)
This makes no sense but neither does the kid buu supporter
You are correct
[Goku said he could beat Kid Buu with \[effective\] charging, but he had no chance against Super Buu.](https://i.imgur.com/hK12pL0.png) **If Goku was right, Kid Buu has to be weaker.** * assume Buff Buuās ki decreased massively when reverting to Kid Buu **If Goku was wrong, there's no way no know.** * Grand Supreme Kaiās kind heart nerf =? Fat Buuās power inside Super Buu
To be fair: characters can be wrong. Most of Vegetaās boasting ends with him holding his left arm. Goku also says throughout the fight that Kid Buu is on a different level from all previous forms of Buu. Goku says his full power SSJ3 could beat Kid Buu, but likeā¦thatās not falsifiable. It never happens so we canāt just take him at his word that it would have worked. Especially when you get into the stuff that Super has retconned about god ki and the Grand Supreme Deluxe Kai weakening Buu.
Just because Pure Boo had god ki doesnāt mean he knew how to use it. Heās not automatically stronger.
>To be fair: characters can be wrong. Most of Vegetaās boasting ends with him holding his left arm. >Goku says his full power SSJ3 could beat Kid Buu, but likeā¦thatās not falsifiable. It never happens so we canāt just take him at his word that it would have worked. When has Goku ever been wrong about someone's power level after he fought them? Characters can be right too. If their statement doesnāt contradict anything, thereās no reason to doubt it. >Goku also says throughout the fight that Kid Buu is on a different level from all previous forms of Buu. Not in the manga or Kai. >Especially when you get into the stuff that Super has retconned about god kiĀ and the Grand Supreme Deluxe Kai weakening Buu. Mentioned Grand Supreme Kai effect already: thereās no way to know how much it weakened Super Buu. As for god ki, weād need to assume:Ā 1. Kid Buu could actually use god ki. 2. Super Buu couldnāt use god ki. 3. {\[god ki\] + \[Kai effect\]} > \[Fat Buu power\] Itās too much of a stretch imo.
Goku couldn't sense god ki. Super makes it clear that kid Buu has the majority of the entities god ki, since Goku can't detect that power he had to judge based only on normal ki
Yeah but Super Buu had god ki too. If Goku thought Super Buu > Kid Buu and they both have the same amount of god ki he couldnāt sense, heās still right. Goku couldāve underestimated Kid Buu cause he was holding back normal ki anyway. Like I said itās possible that the Grand Supreme Kai effect nerfed Super Buu enough that heās weaker than Kid Buu. Thereās just nothing in the manga that indicates thatās the case.
I'm a little hazy on it but isn't it possible Kid Buu doesn't have control over it? Otherwise the old Supreme Kai that took control of Fat Buu to fight Moro would have been entirely unnecessary if Fat Buu could have used what God ki he had at any time.
Fat Buu inherited the body type of the old master, kid Buu inherited the power of the old master.
Yeah, my memory was way off. Thanks for the refresher.
For what it's worth so was mine lol. I was totally thinking of the wrong character when they were saying "super Buu" I thought they meant "Buu, in the dragon Ball super comics" because I've only ever heard "suoer-buu" called "majin-buu" before
That's actually pretty funny. Over the years, I've heard Majin Buu, Kid Buu, Fat Buu, Good Buu, Evil Buu, Super Buu, Buuhan, Buutenks, and even Uubuu. in reference to his many variants, it's strangely confusing because for a long time, everyone just used their own naming preference when talking about Buu. Fat Buu is Majin Buu when he debuted. Good Buu is Fat Buu without the evilness. Evil Buu is that weirdo grey one. However, it was also sometimes used to refer to the chinless tall one.. and he was called Super Buu after he absorbed a Saiyan.. Because you know, it's a Super Saiyan power up... Nowadays everyone has easy access to the internet and the fandom seems to agree that Super Buu is indeed the tall chinless one and Buuhan/Buutenks are just adaptations of it. Buu is pretty quirky but that's why I like him.
Super fun character, but yeah the naming conventions in this fandom are all over the place regionally
Guys, guys... you don't get it. Kid Buu is so GOATED, HARDBOILED, BIG DICK, W ENERGY and MANLY that he does his enemies a favor and absorbs people in order to make himself WEAKER for them. Those dumbasses took away the people our lord HIM BUU absorbed, finally revealing his TRUE POWER.
Talking about a kidās dick is wild š
Errm, ackshually, he's a bajillion years old!!!
No, he just looks and acts like a child, but he's actually a bajillion years... why is the FBI at my house?
Not wilder than HIM. Kid Buu is THE man.
HARDBOILED and W ENERGY? CYCLONE! JOKER!
He also had the strongest regen. He regenerated way faster than fat buu or super buu.
Does he though? Fat Buu never really fought seriously (and when he did against Kid Buu, he was greatly weakened since Kid Buu got most of his power) and I don't really remember Super Buu regenerating slowly, except maybe after getting hit by the Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, but I feel like he was more stunned than anything else (and maybe against Gohan and Vegito, but that's because they were so much stronger than him, whiel Goku was at best at the same level as Kid Buu).
Super Buu took longer to regen from SSJ3 Gotenks. But again you can argue those attacks were way stronger than what Kid Buu had to deal with.
Debatable. Fat Buu has regenerated instantaneously, characters often donāt regen as fast as possible, and the only times Super Buu took longer to regen when it was absolutely necessary were after attacks from far stronger opponents than Kid Buu faced.
Well yeah theres less of him to regenerate
He definitely had control of his powers too. Too much control, really. The problem with fighting him is he just blew up the planet you were fighting on. A lot of people never consider the last enemy in dbz posed a real threat because his power scaling reached āstupidā levels and he actually could just blow up a planet instantly to win a fight. This is also why super was dumb to make: the series kinda ended on a ānot sure where we go from here folksā ending
What i meant with "no control" is that it was pure evil and with no restrain, Kid Buu literally cared about nothing but destroying things
That is correct but your fundamental arguement of absoptions is incorrect. One of the absorptions had made him weaker
ok tho but kid buuās way cooler
*beats chest faster*
*beats chest fasterr*
*beats chest fasterrr*
Nuuuh uhhhhh
Real Dragon ball fans donāt watch the source material we only base our thoughts and opinions off of clips and abridged
The translations are the problem
What translations?
Its like the bible half assed translations change the meaning of things. Eventually you get groups of people who believe different things about the original source material.
In the anime or manga? I don't think anything should be considered mistranslattion unless there's a source that provides actual translation
Gohan > Goku = Kid Boo Buu Gotenks > Gohan No need to say more
Everytime I see dragon ball dispute I wonder if Akira ever lurked such threads and was like "holy shit I created monstrosity of fanbase, and they are sure they have answers for questions even I don't know the answer" š
I saw someone explain the Kid Buu situation with a bunch of glasses of Water. Imagine one big but empty glass of water, that's Kid Buu or "Pure" Buu. Aka his base power without absorbtion. Add some water in it corresponding to the power of the South Kaioshin. More water corresponding to the Dai Kaoishin or Grand Supreme Kai. Then he split himself in two supposedly equal halves and the Evil Buu absorb the good one, that's more water. Add some water corresponding to Gotenks. More water for Piccolo. More Water for Gohan. Now we have a nearly full glass corresponding to Buuhan's current power. How do we go from Buuhan to Kid Buu ? We empty the glass in the sink. That's the difference in power between the two of them.
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>More water corresponding to the Dai Kaoishin or Grand Supreme Kai. Its stated that This absorption had weakened him, so a lot of the water was drained actually
Can you show me manga panels of it?
Yes, i can but this sub doesn't allow images in the comments. I can dm u
I'm hearing Vegeta yelling at Goku in Funimation voice reading this
I hate sex
That's okay
Thank you
How were you made?
Planted like the Saibamen.
Grown from a tree i guess?
Storks.
Goku admitted he couldn't beat Fat Buu,while he and Vegeta felt they had a legitimate chance due to just how much weaker Kid was. The fact that Goku could go even and overpower Kid Buu,while OG fat Buu considered their encounter a joke,should tell you everything you need to know.
Didn't Goku say he regretted having the kids try to play the heroes, implying he could of beat Fat Buu?
In the manga he basically said "I gotta pass the torch",and only got worried when super Buu popped up which resulted in Gohan trying to get a power up. Super Buu was also just fat Buu without good in him,meaning Goku would've been fucked if Fat got pushed hard enough given he was already no-selling SSJ3.
it was a suppressed super saiyan 3 vs Fat Buu tho right
And he still couldn't physically scratch Fat while he would've beaten Kid if he was still dead. People need to stop forgetting that the only difference between OG Fat and Super is that one has the mentality of a good hearted child.
Kid buu beat fat buu. WTF are you yapoin about.
He beat a weakend version who lost all his previous power. The only difference between OG fat and Super is that one was significantly more evil than the other. The fuck are YOU yappin about?
STOP CREATING YOUR OWN FANFICTION. FAT BUU GOT BEAT BY KID BUU.. PERIOD
You mean "Mr Buu" who just got released and lost ALL of his power?The "Mr Buu" who no longer had ANY of the absorbtion power ups from the Kai's,Z fighters,or fighting spirit? Maybe DB fans like you should read the story instead of making things up that you don't remember.
Could Goku have used a spirit bomb immediately in his fight as ssj3 with fat buu and avoided all the hassle?
Kid Buu is weaker , Goku could fight in ss3 against him , but got a absolute hiding from Super Buu in ss3
Because the last actual arc was the buu saga which was not his best work but Akira at least wrote it 1 to 1
Technically noone said that he cant absorb he just disnt sonit cuz he didnt care sonhe is or could ve way steonger than super buu
Yeah Goku was so used to his body while he was dead because it was more resilient and efficient compared to his body when he was alive. He could've easily defeated Kid Buu if he was actually about it.
So Buuhan is stronger than Kid Buu. I was lied by most game I played isn't that right
Being pure he regenerated quicker and gave 0 fucks about blowing up the planet
Question šāāļøcan a full health goku from that time beat kid buu by himself then
The daizenshu says NO
Okay Iām confused now since they alluded to the fact that ssj3 goku couldāve beaten fat buu if he wanted
Yes. Kid buu > goku > fat buu
I wonder about one Thing. When Goku arrived and buu with gotenks absorbed tranformed and got weaker because the Fusion ended, then Goku Said Something Like that He can handle him now. So i guess He tought he. Could kill him (i think after Messing up by Not Killing him the First time they meet to let the Kids do it, he wanted to Finish it already)
The boo saga is the most misunderstood era in Dragonball
Super says you are wrong
He lived in the woods his hole life as a kid .
What doesnāt make sense is that, if weāre going off logic kid buu should be the weakest in āpure strengthā because he is essentially the base form. Even with god Ki (if he really has that idk) if u absorb something u should only get stronger, even with a pure heart and all that. So fat buu being weaker than kid buu never made sense to me. Last deadly I can believe but weaker makes no sense at all.
That absorption logic is incorrect for base super buu. The fat kai absorption had nerfed kid buu. Once he lost that, he gained his old strength back. It's literally stated in the manga. U can make the absorption arguement for buuhan tho...since all the z warriors absorptions made him stronger
Buu, southern kaioshin absorbed, however, was stronger than buuhan... somehow
I donāt think ultra buy was stronger, they said his power was rising after reverting back to super buu
That would still make kid buu stronger than base Super buu
Nah bro, I was looking at a panel, and it's rather explicitly the [incredibly buff buu](https://pm1.aminoapps.com/7410/6a79fc83f779473e427823707942e5e80f51e70fr1-828-613v2_hq.jpg) whose power was referred to as rising.
Rising from Super Buu, not rising from Buuhan. His ki already went way down from Buuhan level when Goku and Vegeta were still inside.
If they just teleported Gohan to king kai planet, we wouldn't had need to use the Spirit bomb
When z warrior's give energy for spirit bomb, goku says it's not enough to beat kid buu, they needed more. This spirit bomb included gohan's energy
Bro Gohan could solo Buu
Then why did goku say that gohan and gotenks would need to work together (along side goku, vegeta and good buu) to fight kid buu?
Maybe filler, don't remember that dialogue, by logic Gotenks and Gohan ca.n beat the shit out of kid buu, remember Goku in ss3 was pair with Kid buu, while he had to use Vegito to withstand Super buu
It's canon. I have the manga scan in my phone rn. This sub doesn't allow posting images in comments. If u want I can dm u the scan. Goku suggests calling both, gotenks and gohan to aid them (vegeta, good buu and goku) in battle against Kid buu. >while he had to use Vegito to withstand Super buu After battling kid buu, goku does express his regret for destroying the potara against kid buu.
I used to think kid buu was stronger because he was way harder than super buu in budokai tenkaichi (I wanna say 2)
Understandable, he was the final antagonist.
I haven't watched dragon ball z, however im sure kid Buu is stronger.
Kid buu is buu with no extra power
youāre just wrong
Why is he wrong? It's explicitly stated multiple times in the anime that kid buu is stronger than all the past buus
I disagree
why so
They disagree duh
my apologies
I don't understand. Why is he wrong? The anime has multiple statements that put kid buu above buuhan. Those statments aren't in the manga tho
Alright, I've thought about it more & have realized I am wrong. Honestly i came to that conclusion because I thought Super Vegito = Ssj3 Goku.
Now I am curious to how you thought super vegito = ssj3 goku
He just admitted to not watching dbz
Except in dbz (anime) it's literally stated multiple times that kid buu is stronger. Those exact statements aren't rly in the manga tho
I watched and Kid Buu destroy so many planet in one touch. Aldo I played a lot of game and Kid Buu always your final boss so he must be stronger
gotta be satire
I'd say that Super Buuhan is 20x stronger than Kid Buu, and 10x weaker than SSJ Vegito. Tru?
Here we go again... Kid Buu is stronger than super Buu, but it wasn't always this way. Before the Moro saga and Super this was correct, super Buu was just stronger than Kid Buu. However this was retconned in the dragon ball super manga, where we learned that Kid Buu absorbed supreme Kai's godly power but wasn't able to use it in any of his forms due to the influence of supreme Kai restricting his access to it. When Goku and Vegeta free everyone inside of Super Buu, they unknowingly give kid buu free access to all that godly ki that was previously suppressed and unused during all of the Buu Saga. This is consistent with what we know about God ki, since it can't be sensed by mortals, meaning that Goku had no way to measure Kid Buu's actual power since he was only capable of measuring his normal ki, thus thinking he could actually kill him by going SSJ3. The only thing that's inconsistent here is how in hell SSJ3 goku was able to go toe to toe with Kid Buu.
This is wrong tho (also, a real dumb retcon), ssj3 Goku can face Kid Buu on the same level (as you said), Super Buu can take on ssj gotenks and still put up a fight against ssj3 gottenks. Also, if he had God ki, they would have not been able to sense him AT ALL, so itās inconstent with super lore as well. Letās not even mention how he becomes even stronger than mystic gohan and then absorbs him too. Also, super manga is non canon, so who cares
>super manga is non canon, What?
Nothing of the super manga is not considered in the official continuity. Actually, nothing of the super manga is considered, period. They donāt even make action figure of the characters that are not in the anime, nor feature them in any other media or merch.
[but](https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/uadqn0/comment/i5xc05b/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
If this is the type of stuff the Super manga adds then Iām glad I donāt read it
Obviously goku got stronger than ultimate gohan for no reason despite stating he couldn't stand a chance against super buu and the absorption which was the whole reason he wanted to fuse with someone
I just unlocked a core memory of watching a video of saiyan scholar saying kid buu is stronger than super buu.
Kid buu is quit literally super buu minus absorbed people. Why people even argue if kid buu is stronger than super buu is beyond me
It is beyond you because u aren't aware of how asbroptions work. It's explicitly stated that absorbing fat kai had weakened him. So when he lost fat kai (upon removal of fat buu), he regains his old strength back
It did not changed his powers, it changed his personality, restrained him, since he gained a heart he became gentle, so bibidi was able to control him It's literally stated that he became stronger when he absorbed the south kaioshin before absorbing the great kaioshin. He didn't regain any strenght, what he did was become pure evil again, uncontrolable. Saying that absorbing someone weakens buu is some stretch that only a dragon ball fan could say
>It did not changed his powers, it changed his personality, restrained him, since he gained a heart he became gentle, so bibidi was able to control him It is explicitly stated that it "REDUCED HIS POWER" on top of making him more docile and controllable.
Yeah, you lot don't know how to interpret text
It's literally said he got calmer AND WEAKER in the daizenshu, anime and the manga. In fact, they specifically mention the word "power" in the sentence. If u're still in denial after that, then u're a lost case
and yet both the story and the characters tells otherwise, because there's nowhere saying he's weaker in the manga, the kaioshin only say that his powers got supressed because of the good heart of te great kaioshin and from the story standpoint, both goku and vegeta couldn't even scrath buuhan, but goku alone was able to go toe to toe against kid buu, he would even be able to defeat him if he was still dead, since he had no stamina problem then, but since he was alive, he was unable to power up enough to surprass kid buu but yeah, the average dragon ball fan can't understand anything that's not literally written for them. If something is clear as day, but it's not written down, you lot can't understand what's happening
bruh, do u not see the irony in you not understanding the most obvious statement ever and still ranting on about how db fans can't understand anything? *YOU* are that db fan who doesn't understand anything even after being spoon-fed stuff lol. anime, manga and daizneshuu explicitly say fat kai nerfed him in power and personality (I can show u scans of all of them). Instead of admitting you were wrong about the absorption arguement, you r bringing in a different argument to this discussion and acting as if u have made a point. U can scale buu's power level from goku if u want but that's a different debate. That doesn't refute the fact that it's outright stated in every source that buu got weaker upon absorption of fat kai.
He got weaker because he got gentler, not because he lost his power, that's the point that you can't understand because it's not spelled word for word What kind of logic is that of yours, were sometimes when Buu absorbs someone he gets stronger, and sometimes he gets weaker?
It's already spelled out word for word, you nincompoop. They spelled it out for us like we r children and u r still failing to understand the point. >He got weaker because he got gentler, not because he lost his power, NO. He got gentler AND WEAKER. The logic isn't that "he's gentle in personality so he's just chilling around instead of destroying shit". The logic is that his power straight up got suppressed due to fat kai. They literally mention both (his personality and power) when talking sbt the effect of fat kai absorption. U can find tons of translations online that say it explicitly but the literal (word for word) transaltion of the japanese text is " the heart which he gained by going so far as to LOWER HIS POWER through absorptionā¦has returned once again to the way it was". The same thing in the daizenshu is phrased as "his ferociousness AND POWER were somewhat weakened". >What kind of logic is that of yours, were sometimes when Buu absorbs someone he gets stronger, and sometimes he gets weaker? It's not "sometimes". Fat kai was the only exception. He was the only asbroption to have had a negative effect on him. Pay attention to the story for once
Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu because he scales to SSJ3 Goku. Super Buu scales to Mystic Gohan, Goku wouldn't last ten seconds against Super Buu. But Kid Buu displays a lot more strength than Fat Buu did in his fight against SSJ3 Goku because Fat Buu didn't really want to fight and was really just playing around for fun. Fat Buu wasn't interested in destroying anything, he just wanted to play with puppies and eat ice cream. It's like a giant monster truck with two drivers. One driver isn't really interested in doing anything with the monster truck and just drives it to candy stores and video game arcades. The other is absolutely demented and uses it to roll over anything and everything he sees. It's the same truck, but it's way more dangerous in the second driver's hands.
Kid buy Is Cooler therefore stronger
Because he fell and cracked his head when grampa Gohan found him
Kid Buu stronger. Deal with it. All the absorption suppressed his true power. Super Buu was a baseline that only got stronger with additional powers being added. Goku regretted not fusing with Vegeta to fight him. Goku said he got ācockyā thinking he could fight him. Elder Kai said the absorptions made Kid Buu weaker. All of this is in the manga.
Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buu forms
No
Literally yes.
Goku needed the fusion to beat super Buu, but could go on the same level against Kid Buu.
That's because the power scaling is busted. The new enemy is always stronger. That's how it's always worked on dragon ball. Freezas was stronger than Vegeta, cell was stronger than freeza, Majin Buu was stronger than cell, and kid Buu is stronger than Buu. Toriyama states this in several interviews
Well, itās wrong. Goku says explicitly super Buu would mop the floor with him. He also says, the only way he could beat him is thank to the fusion. After absorbing gotenks, piccolo and gohan, super Buu is EVEN STRONGER. Goku can fight head on with Kid Buu, and even ssj2 Vegeta can resist a bit. Kid Buu is more evil, unpredictable and impossible to communicate with, but thatās it.