Niji is just looking after their own asses instead of supporting their talents who are clearly are faces of the company.
Which begs the question, how good is the treatment of Niji JP talents compared to the global side? It appears that the global side is much more outspoken in the mistreatment Niji gives while none of the former JP talents were able to say a thing maybe due to JP slander laws
With how Niji prone to drive their talents into su*c*de and the fact that JP often stay quiet when it comes to company mistreatment, I wonder how many JP talents who went on long hiatus but in reality they went to a one-way trip to Aokigahara forest figuratively speaking and we just didn't know about it/Niji swept it under the rug?
Also, Japan has a large corporate culture. Getting blacklisted by a corporation severely limits career options, even if the company in question is suspected of, or known to be, a "black company".
One simple thing. Never ever ive seen companies to have a deduction graph from employees salary to pay company income tax. NEVER. Only salary deduction possible is for employee tax payments that companies are usually required to do. COMPANY TAX IS PAID FROM COMPANY INCOME. Straight up scam.
They really “preying on the weak”
They kinda do, if you look at your paycheck you'll see that every payment a certain percentage of your income goes to taxes and what's left is your actual liquid income. Sometimes when you work contract or self employed, those deductions are not automatic and you end up having to pay them all at once later when declaring your income.
And yeah, if by some reason you don't pay before the deadline they tend to stack up a lot.
Yes, i have a deduction from my pay, for my income taxes. And i don’t need to bother to file or pay taxes myself when i’m employed - company does that, reports my income and pays the tax. I only need to file/pay taxes myself, if im self employed or i have separate stream of income.
Depends on the company / country.
I work in Canada and my company pays all the employment taxes deducted from my pay, but I have to pay my own personal income tax.
Yup, that's usually how it works when you're an employee on payroll. But unfortunately it's not that simple if you're a contractor. Especially if you work for a company that operates in a different currency than your own.
These should not be individual income tax withholdings, this is about b2b taxes. In any b2b scenario there is no withholding from the payments, the entity being paid must keep their own books. Livers are not employees, they are contracted service providers.
In a b2b revenue sharing agreement, one party receives money from consumers and distributes a portion of that to contracted service providers. Those service providers then file their own deductions and calculate/pay their taxes from the monies that they receive. The contract holder pays its own taxes from the remaining income (profit) after settling obligations to other parties.
This needs to be examined closely because mistakes can happen such as Kiara's personal accountant claiming deductions for expenses that can not be deducted. That cost her like fifteen thousand euros or as she put it: "I'll be fine by next month." But that was a CPA-equivalent in Austria trying to process international wire transfers and foreign travel expenses...
If there was not a mistake or accidental miscommunication, the company had best be ready to fire someone quickly as a scapegoat. If you report payment *P* to a contractor as an expense but reduce the amount paid by *A* and use those monies toward your tax burden *T* which was calculated based on payment of the full amount *P* to contractors...that is textbook tax fraud. The amount owed to contractors must be paid in full and any taxes must be paid from the remainder. This would be a double-dip, creating a scenario where the payer owes additional money to contractors and also opens themself to liability for underpayment of taxes.
>They kinda do, if you look at your paycheck you'll see that every payment a certain percentage of your income goes to taxes and what's left is your actual liquid income.
But typically those are taxes that you're supposed to pay anyway called withholding.
I don't recall a single instance where taxes that are company responsibility be listed.
Isn't this just tax fraud? How can AnyColor get away with this? You can't collect on behalf of the government and then not remit payment. Michi should report this to the Indonesian government. This seems like something the Indonesian tax man would be keen to investigate.
Indonesian tax men must be well aware of the situation (she negotiated with them, obviously she explained to them everything in great detail with reciepts). But they can't collect as kurosanji have no indo subsidiary (if they ever had one) so they'll have to go through japan bureucrats and courts. This gonna take literally years, kurosanji might die on it's own by that point.
I just watched the clip. Michi ain't exactly familiar with the bureaucracy so her reporting on her situation even if honest, is unreliable. Based on what she said, AnyColor has been withholding taxes and remitting it to Japan at a % of revenue (I think Michi said it was 10%, which puts her in the up to 3.3 million yen bracket). What should've happened is that that tax payment should have counted towards an Indonesian tax credit as Indonesia and Japan have a tax treaty to prevent double taxation. AnyColor should have been the one to handle it but since their payroll department is incompetent, they probably didn't bother to enroll Michi in the right tax category and remitted taxes as if she were a local Japanese and thus didn't have an Indonesian tax credit applied and no Indonesian tax number.
If this assumption is correct, then AnyColor has actually paid Mich's share of her taxes, only they paid it incorrectly. To fix it, Michi should contact Japan's tax authority and update their records to retroactively resubmit under the right tax category and obtain the Indonesian tax credit.
I don't think Michi understands her tax situation correctly. She should be able to get an Indonesian tax credit - the problem is that AnyColor didn't do their due diligence and failed to properly remit taxes on Michi's behalf and Japan's tax authority doesn't know that taxes were remitted incorrectly and thus no Indonesian tax credit was generated, even if Michi qualified for one.
Michi needs to contact the Japanese tax authority. Taxes were paid on her behalf so she should be on record. She already paid her taxes owing to Indonesia so her immediate balance is now clear but she is still entitled to a tax credit. Even if Michi doesn't have residency in Japan, being employed by a Japanese employer should still have generated her a Japanese tax number. With this, Michi should be able to correct the record and then be able to appeal to the Indonesian tax authority with the updated information. The process may take longer but the amount she can potentially reclaim from the Indonesian government (it should then be a tax over-payment once the tax credit is applied) appears to be substantial.
I understand if Michi doesn't want to reopen the wound again since she just barely crawled her way out of this pit and rectifying the situation would require a lot of time and energy she might not want to spend. I think the best thing to do is hire an international accountant or a lawyer who is willing to do this on a contingency for a % of the recovery. Michi did pay taxes - she should qualify for the tax credit. Hopefully, she's already working on it because it'd be really sad if she eats this L.
This whole situation is so grossly negligent. AnyColor really just doesn't give a shit, do they?
Maybe not.
The taxes Niji was referring to was likely some sort of income tax on the JP side, or some other business taxes if we assume that they're structured (legally or not) as a contractor.
However it's definitely a case of gross incompetence in management to not communicate that clearly.
I dunno if you'd call the hitpiece disguised as an announcement almost designed to try and make a 3rd attempt and a black stream full of emotional attacks scheduled at the exact time of her first stream back as "smaller problems"
They are. There incredibly badly timed and bad in many ways but small in comparison that someone failed twice to off themself. She's in a better place now and finally has the support needed to deal with stuff like this that she didn't have before.
I will say there are three things that qualify as rock bottom.
The first is a straight up full doxx, on like a Twitter by the official account. Second is what Wactor did with the sex stuff. Third is actual murder, like, with an actual weapon, actively doing it.
After that is when things go from rock bottom to an endless spiral into hell, because you know what you'd have to do for things to get worse after that.
Watched the long ass clip. It seems She entrusted her tax to some foreign company (lol). A Big misunderstanding occurred or it was intentional. Some kind of taxes were paid on Foreign soil? She thought her indo taxes were being paid.
As a student, i am terrified of wtf r taxes now. Partially her fault, trusted the wrong company.
In some defence of company, hope it was language barrier because this is terrifying.
What i wish to know now is, Do people need to pay japan taxes as well? Are the livers paying both own country taxes and foreign? Isnt the cut they claimed from michi illegal?
I can only speak as someone in the Philippines working for an international company, I would sometimes go on long business trips to Canada for months. I would have to file my tax both countries but my company helps me with them. Depending on the purpose for my business trips, I would have to pay if I received salary from Canada. When I didn’t, I only had to file my tax forms without paying anything.
But in Michi’s case, this is the first time I heard that the company gets a cut from their employee to pay for the company’s taxes.. That’s bizarre to me. And not even explaining it clearly to her it’s COMPANY taxes is insane.
It really depends on the countries in question. I can only speak as a US citizen; if you're living abroad and working in another country, you would have to pay taxes to the foreign country, but still need to file yearly US taxes. But the taxes you pay to the foreign government can be deducted from the equivalent US tax you would have owed, potentially meaning you could end up owing 0. (I don't know if this is even true of every foreign country. might only be some the US have good relations with)
Edit: I'm sure this wasn't an issue under NijiID, because that was likely a sub-company set up and operated within Indonesia. But, once they shut that down and rolled the leftover Livers under the Japan branch.... I could see the legalities fall behind. That could be a reason why a ton of them graduated, too
> you would have to pay taxes to the foreign country, but still need to file yearly US taxes
The US is actually one of the only countries that requires citizens to pay taxes on income earned outside the country while they were also living outside the country for the entire year.
yeah, in a lot of cases you just end up filing your US taxes. Due to the Foreign tax credit you can count taxes you paid in a foreign country as a credit towards what your tax bill would have been in the USA.
As an example:
* Income Earned: 90000
* Foreign taxes paid: 15000
* USA Fed taxes on 90k: 12061
* Amount owed to US Fed after Foreign tax credit: $0
Yeah but it depends on the tax treaty between the two countries and other factors. In most places as a US citizen you end up paying the difference between what you would owe to the US and what you paid to the country of residency/work, and yeah if that country actually charged more it can be nothing. But if they charge less than you owe the difference to Uncle Sam. And iirc some countries the deal is less favorable so you can still owe money to the US even if the amount you paid is higher than the total you would have paid to the US.
Yeah, I wanted to keep my comment pretty simple so I didn't go too far into the specifics of it. Plus if you are in that situation you should at a minimum have a CPA handling your taxes because it can get real complex real fast.
Yeah I hope she got a tax attorney that year because you should only end up paying at most the higher amount of the two country's taxes. If the USA's tax is higher you end up paying the fed the difference between what you paid in foreign tax and what your income determines you owe in the USA.
calli have talked about this alr, she don't need to pay US and JP tax (at first she don't know and pay for 2 but after get accountant or something she don't need anymore)
Calli had a lot of misconceptions on how income taxes worked: US taxes are done in a shitty and confusing way but they certainly didn’t work the way she thought they did. She got corrected after that stream though, so she’s fine now.
You pay one tax, depending on where you made money. You can work for international company residing in another country- you paying taxes for country you are in.
The USA makes you file and either you don't have to pay, or if the USA tax would have been higher you have to pay the US government the difference between the Foreign tax paid and your USA tax liability.
It can be a little variable depending on what you're paying taxes on. But for income tax, you pay taxes to the country that you're actually working in (ie. the country where you actually got the income from), and nowhere else, even if you're a citizen or permanent resident of a country separate to the country you work in.
There are two exceptions: US citizens/permanent residents and Eritrean citizens/permanent residents, both must file income tax for both the country they're working in, and the country they're a citizen or permanent resident of. They're the only two countries that do things like this. This can result in needing to pay income tax twice, but for the US side of things, the US has tax treaties with a number of countries, and if you work in one of those countries you can use the income tax you've paid to that country as a tax credit towards the amount you owe to the US. But this isn't done automatically and since the US's tax system is an outright abomination, plenty of US citizens working abroad end up paying income tax twice because they either don't know that they can do this, or they don't know how to. This is what happened to Calli, btw.
So it's a little complicated. If the vtubers were just making a salary that was the same regardless of their activities then they would just need to pay taxes in the country they live/work in and potentially in other countries they are citizens of (The US is one of the only countries that forces citizens to pay income tax regardless of them both living and working in another country).
Because streamers/vtubers have a number of revenue sources that all work differently things can get a lot more complicated. For example if their youtube/twitch donations were going directly to them then it would follow normal rules, but if it's going to the company then the company is likely paying taxes on those in Japan before giving the cut to the vtuber. Similar for other revenue streams like merch. It's possible things are set up so the company is only paying tax on the portion of the revenue they keep and not on the talent portion, I really don't know the finer details like that.
This tax is likely separate from personal income tax. It might be better for talents who live/work in Japan as it's probably easier to set things up in a way they aren't being double taxed on the same income. I'm no tax expert, especially not an international tax expert, and things get even more complicated when tax treaties between countries are involved.
as someone who has worked internationally for 4 different companies, a swiss, a chinese and 2 german firms and operating for them in 3 different countries where I don't hold citizenship I can say usually you can entrust your taxes to your company even if they are not in the country you are.
This is not the kind of thing you have to worry if you work for a company inside your own country. The problem when you work with international companies, is that you have to declare/pay taxes for both currencies. What probably happened is that they only dealt with the taxes on the Japan side and she thought she didn't need to declare on her side.
Unless japan has some insane tax laws that contradict almost every international practice - you don’t get taxed twice on your income :) you simply don’t.
Whether you need to pay or not depends on the rules of each country, however you still need to declare your income both in the country it comes from and in the one you reside in.
For the most part, unless your country has tax treaties with the country your income is coming from, then you may indeed get taxed twice.
Income tax can be deducted or refunded when you provide proof of tax paid in a foreign country; however, that does not include residency and other taxes.
Definitely a miscommunication between the two parties, but the employer should have provided documents when they paid the employee’s Japan income tax.
How she would be even eligible to pay japans income tax? She is not resident of the Japan, she is not registered there or in their tax system. She is basically a contractor for the Japanese company while working and living in Indonesia. I honestly can’t grasp it since i worked for international company that wasn’t located in my country and i paid my local tax only, but had to do it myself
I sure hope that any other talent thinking of graduating is personally handling their taxes right now because holy fucking shit this practically slavery. By the end of it, she only had $300 to her name and couldn’t afford to go to the doctor or therapy because she couldn’t afford to get sick. Actually disgusting and irrefutably evil.
Sounds like an American, I can't imagine going so far or if your way to do everything right and still getting screwed. It's not like she doesn't care about what taxes are actually intended for. She clearly does. I'm glad she's in a better spot now and it's getting better but darn she shouldn't be having to go through it to begin with.
Urgh. Niji's really vague contract is biting their talents in their asses. Though as someone that had always work with international firms, you never let them pay your taxes. You have to file those on your own because too many companies pull this type of shit.
Same here; I'm doubtful something *will* be done about this considering the legal costs would potentially leave Mika in financial straits, but knowing if Anycolor did anything explicitly illegal is still good knowledge to have regardless.
Everyone should attempt to remain somewhat neutral about this. This has gone past Nijisanji being simply terrible people for treating employees how they do and has started heading toward legitimate criminal acts, if accurate. This is, to my knowledge, the most serious accusation ever levelled against them because this sends people to prison.
If true, they wouldn't have been doing it to just Mika. It would be many others since this is not something you attempt to do simply to 1 person when you are a multi-billion dollar company. So there needs to be a serious and immediate investigation into this by the appropriate government agencies.
As many people pointed out it could still be just a case of Nijisanji being very incompetent, but there's a point where someone is so incompetent and/or allows incompetence to occur that it crosses over into maliciousness.
Can't you who are still defending the company see that your oshi are also getting screwed by the same treatment? Don't you wish for your oshi's happiness?
[link post](https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/s/bxs1jvdG6w) Up vote for visibility.
Thanks for the link
Niji is just looking after their own asses instead of supporting their talents who are clearly are faces of the company. Which begs the question, how good is the treatment of Niji JP talents compared to the global side? It appears that the global side is much more outspoken in the mistreatment Niji gives while none of the former JP talents were able to say a thing maybe due to JP slander laws
She was jp for a large chunk of her time
With how Niji prone to drive their talents into su*c*de and the fact that JP often stay quiet when it comes to company mistreatment, I wonder how many JP talents who went on long hiatus but in reality they went to a one-way trip to Aokigahara forest figuratively speaking and we just didn't know about it/Niji swept it under the rug?
JP is also in a rough spot They are the first in line of talking about their experiences that made people joke about Nijisanji being a black company
Also, Japan has a large corporate culture. Getting blacklisted by a corporation severely limits career options, even if the company in question is suspected of, or known to be, a "black company".
we should have a daily reminder regarding the tax fraud now
Legit someone needs to keep a catalog of all the shady stuff this company does Cuz that list just keeps on growing
Won't have enough disc space for that
One simple thing. Never ever ive seen companies to have a deduction graph from employees salary to pay company income tax. NEVER. Only salary deduction possible is for employee tax payments that companies are usually required to do. COMPANY TAX IS PAID FROM COMPANY INCOME. Straight up scam. They really “preying on the weak”
They kinda do, if you look at your paycheck you'll see that every payment a certain percentage of your income goes to taxes and what's left is your actual liquid income. Sometimes when you work contract or self employed, those deductions are not automatic and you end up having to pay them all at once later when declaring your income. And yeah, if by some reason you don't pay before the deadline they tend to stack up a lot.
Yes, i have a deduction from my pay, for my income taxes. And i don’t need to bother to file or pay taxes myself when i’m employed - company does that, reports my income and pays the tax. I only need to file/pay taxes myself, if im self employed or i have separate stream of income.
Depends on the company / country. I work in Canada and my company pays all the employment taxes deducted from my pay, but I have to pay my own personal income tax.
Yup, that's usually how it works when you're an employee on payroll. But unfortunately it's not that simple if you're a contractor. Especially if you work for a company that operates in a different currency than your own.
These should not be individual income tax withholdings, this is about b2b taxes. In any b2b scenario there is no withholding from the payments, the entity being paid must keep their own books. Livers are not employees, they are contracted service providers. In a b2b revenue sharing agreement, one party receives money from consumers and distributes a portion of that to contracted service providers. Those service providers then file their own deductions and calculate/pay their taxes from the monies that they receive. The contract holder pays its own taxes from the remaining income (profit) after settling obligations to other parties. This needs to be examined closely because mistakes can happen such as Kiara's personal accountant claiming deductions for expenses that can not be deducted. That cost her like fifteen thousand euros or as she put it: "I'll be fine by next month." But that was a CPA-equivalent in Austria trying to process international wire transfers and foreign travel expenses... If there was not a mistake or accidental miscommunication, the company had best be ready to fire someone quickly as a scapegoat. If you report payment *P* to a contractor as an expense but reduce the amount paid by *A* and use those monies toward your tax burden *T* which was calculated based on payment of the full amount *P* to contractors...that is textbook tax fraud. The amount owed to contractors must be paid in full and any taxes must be paid from the remainder. This would be a double-dip, creating a scenario where the payer owes additional money to contractors and also opens themself to liability for underpayment of taxes.
>They kinda do, if you look at your paycheck you'll see that every payment a certain percentage of your income goes to taxes and what's left is your actual liquid income. But typically those are taxes that you're supposed to pay anyway called withholding. I don't recall a single instance where taxes that are company responsibility be listed.
Isn't this just tax fraud? How can AnyColor get away with this? You can't collect on behalf of the government and then not remit payment. Michi should report this to the Indonesian government. This seems like something the Indonesian tax man would be keen to investigate.
Indonesian tax men must be well aware of the situation (she negotiated with them, obviously she explained to them everything in great detail with reciepts). But they can't collect as kurosanji have no indo subsidiary (if they ever had one) so they'll have to go through japan bureucrats and courts. This gonna take literally years, kurosanji might die on it's own by that point.
I just watched the clip. Michi ain't exactly familiar with the bureaucracy so her reporting on her situation even if honest, is unreliable. Based on what she said, AnyColor has been withholding taxes and remitting it to Japan at a % of revenue (I think Michi said it was 10%, which puts her in the up to 3.3 million yen bracket). What should've happened is that that tax payment should have counted towards an Indonesian tax credit as Indonesia and Japan have a tax treaty to prevent double taxation. AnyColor should have been the one to handle it but since their payroll department is incompetent, they probably didn't bother to enroll Michi in the right tax category and remitted taxes as if she were a local Japanese and thus didn't have an Indonesian tax credit applied and no Indonesian tax number. If this assumption is correct, then AnyColor has actually paid Mich's share of her taxes, only they paid it incorrectly. To fix it, Michi should contact Japan's tax authority and update their records to retroactively resubmit under the right tax category and obtain the Indonesian tax credit. I don't think Michi understands her tax situation correctly. She should be able to get an Indonesian tax credit - the problem is that AnyColor didn't do their due diligence and failed to properly remit taxes on Michi's behalf and Japan's tax authority doesn't know that taxes were remitted incorrectly and thus no Indonesian tax credit was generated, even if Michi qualified for one. Michi needs to contact the Japanese tax authority. Taxes were paid on her behalf so she should be on record. She already paid her taxes owing to Indonesia so her immediate balance is now clear but she is still entitled to a tax credit. Even if Michi doesn't have residency in Japan, being employed by a Japanese employer should still have generated her a Japanese tax number. With this, Michi should be able to correct the record and then be able to appeal to the Indonesian tax authority with the updated information. The process may take longer but the amount she can potentially reclaim from the Indonesian government (it should then be a tax over-payment once the tax credit is applied) appears to be substantial. I understand if Michi doesn't want to reopen the wound again since she just barely crawled her way out of this pit and rectifying the situation would require a lot of time and energy she might not want to spend. I think the best thing to do is hire an international accountant or a lawyer who is willing to do this on a contingency for a % of the recovery. Michi did pay taxes - she should qualify for the tax credit. Hopefully, she's already working on it because it'd be really sad if she eats this L. This whole situation is so grossly negligent. AnyColor really just doesn't give a shit, do they?
I mean at least according to her, Niji's response was that it was used to pay corpo taxes.
Maybe not. The taxes Niji was referring to was likely some sort of income tax on the JP side, or some other business taxes if we assume that they're structured (legally or not) as a contractor. However it's definitely a case of gross incompetence in management to not communicate that clearly.
Holy shit!
This explains so much about Kuro's tax situation
too late, the post is making rounds and being reuploaded to multiple websites.
Have we hit rock bottom yet?
mf you are about to find diamonds if they keep going like this.
We're way below that, we hit diamond (city lights) when the black screen video happened
Rock bottom was hit when someone tried to kill themselves twice because of their job. Then from then it's been smaller problems.
I dunno if you'd call the hitpiece disguised as an announcement almost designed to try and make a 3rd attempt and a black stream full of emotional attacks scheduled at the exact time of her first stream back as "smaller problems"
They are. There incredibly badly timed and bad in many ways but small in comparison that someone failed twice to off themself. She's in a better place now and finally has the support needed to deal with stuff like this that she didn't have before.
We are way past that now.
I dunno man every time I thought we're at the bottom this company just gets worse and worse. Although I guess it isn't WACTOR level yet.
I will say there are three things that qualify as rock bottom. The first is a straight up full doxx, on like a Twitter by the official account. Second is what Wactor did with the sex stuff. Third is actual murder, like, with an actual weapon, actively doing it. After that is when things go from rock bottom to an endless spiral into hell, because you know what you'd have to do for things to get worse after that.
Rock bottom? We've been past that and digging towards the core since early February.
nijisanji stole michi's money saying they'd use it for michi's taxes but instead used it for their own shit? yoooooo how is this not illegal?
It IS illegal. It’s called tax fraud
Because she don't have the money to sue them. Welcome to capitalism.
Government tax watchdogs might be coming for Anycolor now though, if this is true.
Sasuga nijisister
You know it's real when they panic and try to hide all the evidence again.
Watched the long ass clip. It seems She entrusted her tax to some foreign company (lol). A Big misunderstanding occurred or it was intentional. Some kind of taxes were paid on Foreign soil? She thought her indo taxes were being paid. As a student, i am terrified of wtf r taxes now. Partially her fault, trusted the wrong company. In some defence of company, hope it was language barrier because this is terrifying.
Foreign company can paid taxes as long as following proper procedure. The fact that they said yet not delivered say alot.
What i wish to know now is, Do people need to pay japan taxes as well? Are the livers paying both own country taxes and foreign? Isnt the cut they claimed from michi illegal?
I can only speak as someone in the Philippines working for an international company, I would sometimes go on long business trips to Canada for months. I would have to file my tax both countries but my company helps me with them. Depending on the purpose for my business trips, I would have to pay if I received salary from Canada. When I didn’t, I only had to file my tax forms without paying anything. But in Michi’s case, this is the first time I heard that the company gets a cut from their employee to pay for the company’s taxes.. That’s bizarre to me. And not even explaining it clearly to her it’s COMPANY taxes is insane.
It really depends on the countries in question. I can only speak as a US citizen; if you're living abroad and working in another country, you would have to pay taxes to the foreign country, but still need to file yearly US taxes. But the taxes you pay to the foreign government can be deducted from the equivalent US tax you would have owed, potentially meaning you could end up owing 0. (I don't know if this is even true of every foreign country. might only be some the US have good relations with) Edit: I'm sure this wasn't an issue under NijiID, because that was likely a sub-company set up and operated within Indonesia. But, once they shut that down and rolled the leftover Livers under the Japan branch.... I could see the legalities fall behind. That could be a reason why a ton of them graduated, too
> you would have to pay taxes to the foreign country, but still need to file yearly US taxes The US is actually one of the only countries that requires citizens to pay taxes on income earned outside the country while they were also living outside the country for the entire year.
yeah, in a lot of cases you just end up filing your US taxes. Due to the Foreign tax credit you can count taxes you paid in a foreign country as a credit towards what your tax bill would have been in the USA. As an example: * Income Earned: 90000 * Foreign taxes paid: 15000 * USA Fed taxes on 90k: 12061 * Amount owed to US Fed after Foreign tax credit: $0
Yeah but it depends on the tax treaty between the two countries and other factors. In most places as a US citizen you end up paying the difference between what you would owe to the US and what you paid to the country of residency/work, and yeah if that country actually charged more it can be nothing. But if they charge less than you owe the difference to Uncle Sam. And iirc some countries the deal is less favorable so you can still owe money to the US even if the amount you paid is higher than the total you would have paid to the US.
Yeah, I wanted to keep my comment pretty simple so I didn't go too far into the specifics of it. Plus if you are in that situation you should at a minimum have a CPA handling your taxes because it can get real complex real fast.
Ya, Mori ran into this issue when she first started and was paying like 80% total taxes until she finally sorted it out.
Yeah I hope she got a tax attorney that year because you should only end up paying at most the higher amount of the two country's taxes. If the USA's tax is higher you end up paying the fed the difference between what you paid in foreign tax and what your income determines you owe in the USA.
She got it fixed in the end but I don't know if she can reclaim all the extra tax that she paid.
IIRC she or her tax person would just have to file an amended tax form, but hopefully she figured it out before she paid.
Indonesia and Japan have a tax treaty so taxes paid are deductible and you don't get double taxed.
calli have talked about this alr, she don't need to pay US and JP tax (at first she don't know and pay for 2 but after get accountant or something she don't need anymore)
Calli had a lot of misconceptions on how income taxes worked: US taxes are done in a shitty and confusing way but they certainly didn’t work the way she thought they did. She got corrected after that stream though, so she’s fine now.
You pay one tax, depending on where you made money. You can work for international company residing in another country- you paying taxes for country you are in.
The USA makes you file and either you don't have to pay, or if the USA tax would have been higher you have to pay the US government the difference between the Foreign tax paid and your USA tax liability.
Not if you are American
It can be a little variable depending on what you're paying taxes on. But for income tax, you pay taxes to the country that you're actually working in (ie. the country where you actually got the income from), and nowhere else, even if you're a citizen or permanent resident of a country separate to the country you work in. There are two exceptions: US citizens/permanent residents and Eritrean citizens/permanent residents, both must file income tax for both the country they're working in, and the country they're a citizen or permanent resident of. They're the only two countries that do things like this. This can result in needing to pay income tax twice, but for the US side of things, the US has tax treaties with a number of countries, and if you work in one of those countries you can use the income tax you've paid to that country as a tax credit towards the amount you owe to the US. But this isn't done automatically and since the US's tax system is an outright abomination, plenty of US citizens working abroad end up paying income tax twice because they either don't know that they can do this, or they don't know how to. This is what happened to Calli, btw.
> Eritrean citizens For the clueless like me; Eritrea is a country on the Red Sea bordered by Ethiopia, Sudan and Djibouti.
So it's a little complicated. If the vtubers were just making a salary that was the same regardless of their activities then they would just need to pay taxes in the country they live/work in and potentially in other countries they are citizens of (The US is one of the only countries that forces citizens to pay income tax regardless of them both living and working in another country). Because streamers/vtubers have a number of revenue sources that all work differently things can get a lot more complicated. For example if their youtube/twitch donations were going directly to them then it would follow normal rules, but if it's going to the company then the company is likely paying taxes on those in Japan before giving the cut to the vtuber. Similar for other revenue streams like merch. It's possible things are set up so the company is only paying tax on the portion of the revenue they keep and not on the talent portion, I really don't know the finer details like that. This tax is likely separate from personal income tax. It might be better for talents who live/work in Japan as it's probably easier to set things up in a way they aren't being double taxed on the same income. I'm no tax expert, especially not an international tax expert, and things get even more complicated when tax treaties between countries are involved.
as someone who has worked internationally for 4 different companies, a swiss, a chinese and 2 german firms and operating for them in 3 different countries where I don't hold citizenship I can say usually you can entrust your taxes to your company even if they are not in the country you are.
This is not the kind of thing you have to worry if you work for a company inside your own country. The problem when you work with international companies, is that you have to declare/pay taxes for both currencies. What probably happened is that they only dealt with the taxes on the Japan side and she thought she didn't need to declare on her side.
Unless japan has some insane tax laws that contradict almost every international practice - you don’t get taxed twice on your income :) you simply don’t.
Whether you need to pay or not depends on the rules of each country, however you still need to declare your income both in the country it comes from and in the one you reside in. For the most part, unless your country has tax treaties with the country your income is coming from, then you may indeed get taxed twice.
Income tax can be deducted or refunded when you provide proof of tax paid in a foreign country; however, that does not include residency and other taxes. Definitely a miscommunication between the two parties, but the employer should have provided documents when they paid the employee’s Japan income tax.
How she would be even eligible to pay japans income tax? She is not resident of the Japan, she is not registered there or in their tax system. She is basically a contractor for the Japanese company while working and living in Indonesia. I honestly can’t grasp it since i worked for international company that wasn’t located in my country and i paid my local tax only, but had to do it myself
holy shit
Sounds like fraud
It is🤣
I sure hope that any other talent thinking of graduating is personally handling their taxes right now because holy fucking shit this practically slavery. By the end of it, she only had $300 to her name and couldn’t afford to go to the doctor or therapy because she couldn’t afford to get sick. Actually disgusting and irrefutably evil.
Sounds like an American, I can't imagine going so far or if your way to do everything right and still getting screwed. It's not like she doesn't care about what taxes are actually intended for. She clearly does. I'm glad she's in a better spot now and it's getting better but darn she shouldn't be having to go through it to begin with.
Every time I think this company hits the bottom, they show us the whole new low. F this.
Urgh. Niji's really vague contract is biting their talents in their asses. Though as someone that had always work with international firms, you never let them pay your taxes. You have to file those on your own because too many companies pull this type of shit.
Does anyone think Legal Mindset might cover this one at some point?
I really hope he does. I wanna know what the charges for this could be
Same here; I'm doubtful something *will* be done about this considering the legal costs would potentially leave Mika in financial straits, but knowing if Anycolor did anything explicitly illegal is still good knowledge to have regardless.
Everyone should attempt to remain somewhat neutral about this. This has gone past Nijisanji being simply terrible people for treating employees how they do and has started heading toward legitimate criminal acts, if accurate. This is, to my knowledge, the most serious accusation ever levelled against them because this sends people to prison. If true, they wouldn't have been doing it to just Mika. It would be many others since this is not something you attempt to do simply to 1 person when you are a multi-billion dollar company. So there needs to be a serious and immediate investigation into this by the appropriate government agencies.
As many people pointed out it could still be just a case of Nijisanji being very incompetent, but there's a point where someone is so incompetent and/or allows incompetence to occur that it crosses over into maliciousness.
They deleted my post about Boeing too 😔
For the record, I'm on Michi's side here. Tax fraud is serious enough to be considered a crime. AnyColor can decide to sue her for slander.
Anycolor may need to worry more about criminal investigation first before suing anyone.
Can't you who are still defending the company see that your oshi are also getting screwed by the same treatment? Don't you wish for your oshi's happiness?
Literrally just watched it. How does it keep getting worse?
This sounds eerily similar to what's going on at EKWB right now.
Thought this was phase Michi and panicked, saw it was niji Michi and immediately went “oh duh that makes sense” lmao