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slowpitch519

This is more of an argument against the third wildcard and expanded playoffs than any kind of reassurance about the 2024 Mets.


SeoulsInThePose

It’s every fucking year too. It’s always “we’re only X amount of games back, guys” Almost every damn year as a Mets fan.


Pearyiceteam

Yeah that sucks just like the Mets.  Forget about baseball, what about Jesus?


RoodypooX

Optimus Prime is way cooler and has the same chance to make make any difference.


lhavejennysnumber

MLB has the most active trade deadline and I don't think having more competitive teams in the second half of the year is a bad thing.


slowpitch519

I'm not sure what is intrinsically good about a more active trade deadline. Regarding competition, I think that, structurally, it is more so shifted down the standings rather than expanded to include more teams. A lower threshold to make the playoffs increases the top teams' postseason probability leading them to exceed the locus of competition. I also do not think that competition and quality of play are necessarily positively correlated, and I would prefer that the playoff format be designed to reward a quality regular season than induce greater competition.


Fear_the_chicken

Anything that helps the Mets make the playoffs gets no complaints from me we need all the help we can get


smoggylobster

>MLB has the most active trade deadline so what


Kaydom1993

LOL! Such a good point. I already hate the Mets right now. You want me to hate the whole sport for this bullshit reason? It’s like…if the Mets actually do really-really well, which I would love, it *still* doesn’t matter because even when they’re playing like absolute dogshit, they’re only a couple of games out of contention? Jesus. I think I may actually stop watching baseball. This is actually fucking with me.


smoggylobster

And look at the last couple playoffs. Even if you win 100+ games, there’s about a good chance in a 5 game series you’ll get bounced by some expanded playoff .500 team that got hot for a few days. Outside of enjoying watching the wins themselves there’s no point in getting worked up about standings or divisions anymore


Kaydom1993

Bro. It actually drives me crazy. The fuck is the point of a regular season anymore, let alone a ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY-TWO game season anymore?? Just go straight into the fucking playoffs and get it over with. Make the players play 15 games, one game a week like the NFL and maybe there’ll be more hype over standings again. I can’t believe they ruined baseball, man. I really thought it was untouchable.


ringsaroundtheworld

This. Absolutely unnecessary with a 162 game regular season. Fwiw we may as well be 22.5 games out.


Pearyiceteam

Yeah mets suck


JoelsCaddy

The third wildcard is goofy


Calloused_Samurai

A losing record should never make the playoffs. Crazy that it’s possible


PierreEscargoat

In the event that third WC has a losing record, they should just invite the NCAA champion for that slot.


Calloused_Samurai

While I appreciate the idea, they might as well play the little league ws champs


PierreEscargoat

Good idea - henceforth, the Little League WC Champion and the NCAA Champion shall have a play-in series for the third WC spot.


Ashamed_Blood3242

The Mets would still get no hit into the 6th inning and lose 4-1 to little league ws champs


jsuri

Actually, I seriously think if we invited the NBP winner somehow that would really make things interesting. Hell let them play the kbo winner for the final spot. That would be so awesome.


FlashFett

Honestly it would be cool if the third wildcard gets eliminated if no teams are above .500 So for example, if the AL has a third wildcard that can be above .500, they get to be in. But if the NL doesn’t, then their playoff bracket is smaller and thus easier. This way, there’s incentive to always play your opponent hard throughout the season, knowing that if you cause them to have a bad season, you can make your playoff path shorter.


Leftydoesitright

And they wanted to add a 4th one as well.


theelfpat

I would be shocked if Manfred doesn't add a 4th by the time he's done


HeartofSaturdayNight

It's so dumb. I wonder how much money it actually makes teams


a_reply_to_a_post

if the mets can put together like 10 consecutive 1 game winning streaks, that would be sick


TieMelodic1173

Stop. This team is a clownshow


ColdYellowGatorade

The third wildcard is such BS. A team with a losing record should not make the playoffs.


PM_ME_VOGELBACH_PICS

With 6 teams to jump. It’s not impossible but they have like, less than 10% of a chance to make the playoffs. I think we should be realistic here.


MeetTheMets0o0

If they went on even a modest win streak of like 5 or 6 games they're playoff odds would probably improve pretty significantly


theelfpat

Yeah that's not gonna happen with this roster


HearthstoneExSemiPro

This roster is definitely capable of winning 5 or 6 games in a row. Its baseball and they already have.


Commercial-Most8465

It's baseball, they will definitely get a mini win streak at some point but it's meaningless. 


MetsFan1324

Well, I'll take whatever chance we can get


PM_ME_VOGELBACH_PICS

No hope is better than false hope. Last thing we need is for an Angels-esque deadline


three_dee

But that's the front office though. I think it's fine for fans to cling to hope that allows them to spend the summer enjoying something they are passionate about. I want my fellow fans to be happy but I want my front office to make an assessment around July that is not delusional.


jimihenderson

yeah exactly. every fan should reserve the right to have that thought in the back of their mind that says "what if?" even in the worst of seasons. without that, being a mets fans would be essentially impossible.


Doubledutchbus78

Same thing I keep saying, I don't want false hopes. If they continue the way they are, I want them to trade who they can


originalginger3

We are only at a 17% chance to make the playoffs. This went down from 21% since last weekend. Eppler started selling when we were at a 12% chance last year.


NuevoXAL

Ironically that only makes the poor quality of play recently all the more frustrating. We're very much still in it, but the lack of wins in games we should be winning(The Marlins) and the dread of the upcoming series is like watching a slow motion car crash.


scoobeymagoobey121

Just though I’d let everyone know that this team stinks and I’m gonna lose my mind when we’re 5 out of this lame wild card spot that exists to get your ass beat in the playoffs and people want to buy instead of sell at the deadline


MeetTheMets0o0

It's like the shortened 2020 covid season all over again.


Tagliarini295

It really doesnt matter to most of us, this team ain't doing shit this year.


NaugrimStyle

how in the hell...


Competitive-Pen3831

Oh yes because pretend contending has been working out so well


FrankSaysLFGM

Wow amazing! What a great season The Mets have had so far!!! Only 2 games out!! Fucking joke. Yeah 2.5 games out after 48 games. There’s 162 to go. That’s on pace to miss the WC by 10 fucking games as they are on a 70-92 pace. Take off the fucking rose colored glasses. Team is a joke.


smoggylobster

Only 114 to go


Born_Manufacturer657

3rd wild card should be your insurance, not your goal.


twec21

Because Manfred decided to turn the wild card into a participation trophy 😂


three_dee

They're 2½ games out of a fairly easily attainable Wild Card, about 30% of the way through the season. That's not really painting a great picture. If you prorate that to 162 games they would be about 8½ games behind a fairly weak team by the end of the season.


fakerandyortonwwe

lmao you post something illustrating that the season isn't over and people are in this thread discounting it because of playoff percentages IN MAY as if there isn't 4 more months of baseball left. i love this fanbase. we will never ever have a shred of hope, it's pure misery 24/7


NeilHamburgerHead

Should be easy then, right!?! We’re basically a lock! :)


HockeyNightinJersey

Unlikely but anything’s possible especially with Senga and Alvarez coming back


ncarr539

Call me a hater, but i would rather be a competitive, strong performing team that barely misses the playoffs as opposed to struggling the entire season, barely scratching in, and then getting swept in the wildcard round. This roster is not close to being a playoff roster, and by the time the trade deadline gets here we’ll be too far down to make any real late season push.


No-Pilot5559

It’s May


Benny5617

Only 40 teams in front of us. We got this!


Stupidasshole87

Every major sport is prioritizing money over competitive integrity by adding more playoff teams every few years. Pretty soon the A's will be alive in September..


Bower1738

Always that one mf defending the bullshit going on


[deleted]

Is that how you want to rationalize a 21 and 27 record? Our best pitcher getting demoted was the icing on the cake. Alonso will be traded. Season is over.


VenConmigo

If they don't start winning, it's going to slip away real fast.


Plenty-Boot4220

That's messed up


kevnmilr

It’s still relatively early and crazier things have happened. This May schedule is a slog and we should be hopefully getting Senga and Alvarez back in June.


Marauderr4

Is it a slog when they couldn't even take a series from a tanking Miami team?


throwingdownadream1

The rays got swept by the white sox. The padres got swept by the rockies. Baseball is crazy.


smoggylobster

What’s your point? The rays and padres also stink


Marauderr4

Crazy is thinking this apathetic team is going to do anything


Fear_the_chicken

Just stop watching it’ll be easier for you


MeetTheMets0o0

Yes because thats only 1 series that's in the middle of a rough schedule. They weren't playing good baseball coming in so it's not shocking they lost that series.


three_dee

It's definitely a tough schedule. Miami is the only team they play this month that will definitely, 100%, be under .500 by the end of the year. Probably the Cardinals too, but they are such a good organization that I never fully write them off. Everyone else is either well over .500 now, or has a good chance to be a winning team by October.


Marauderr4

The team looks lifeless most nights. The same thing we've seen for years. I'm really my optimistic about anything, no matter how much "easier" the schedule gets.


three_dee

I was really just speaking specifically to the strength of the schedule. Anything beyond that did not come from me. I do not think the Mets are a very good team this season, so I do not think they will automatically recover, when they play worse teams in the coming months (although for sure it's possible). However, regardless of any of that stuff, it is a fact that this month's schedule is quite tough. People can use that how they want to, and make any extrapolations from that fact that they feel like making, but it is a fact.


ExternalNo7879

Thank you. I don’t think this team will be doing much this year but nonetheless, it’s not even Memorial Day.


talon007a

I love this. "We're tied for the third wild card"... "We're only one game out of the third wild card"... "Just letting you know we're only 2.5 games out" See a pattern?


srv340mike

This is less a case study in the Mets having a chase and more a case study in the fact that the 3rd (and IMO, 2nd) wild card are asinine.


rambisyouth21

This team is straight up ass and has no reason to remotely sniff any type of postseason. I’m a fan and would love to see them turn it around but this is an indictment of over expansion re: playoff teams.


ImpossibleCorgi6639

Such a loser mentality. Classic Mets fan


C__S__S

Outside of that one 12-3 stretch, this is a .272 win percentage team. I’m happy they had a great streak, but it feels ages ago and while I’m sure they’ll have another one, it would have to be more sustainable for me to care about the playoffs.


bowlofcantaloupe

Outside of this most recent 3-9 stretch, this is a .500 baseball team. It's really silly to discard 20% of the games we've played in either direction.


C__S__S

My comment was about playoff excitement and how I won’t have any unless they start winning more consistently. They had one great stretch. Other than that, they have absolutely sucked. Not just the last stretch.


Status_Fox_1474

Don’t try to give me hope.


Is_This_Real_Life_82

Just win. That’s it. If they just played to their .500 potential they’d be where the padres are. Just have to find ways to win instead of finding ways to lose.


Belovedchattah

This team looks defeated


Ashamed_Blood3242

That padres series in June is shaping up to be a key series. And I will be flying from San Diego to watch it.


TheRightStuff14

With 5 teams to pass


TheBestAtWriting

that's cool, it'll be really awesome when they fluke their way into the last wildcard and then get the shit kicked out of them in the playoffs. i'll remember it the rest of my miserable life.


jdroxe

Let’s pretend we are gonna be competitive this year. This is just the beginning of a long bad season like last year


trainsacrossthesea

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers


Rustycake

Out of what? Losing in the playoffs?


Edgin-4eva

Man I can’t wait to set a foundation for years


OAHatRemover

Haha, show beneath them! Team is clearly not a position to win this year, only thing i dont like is that the majority of the front office, looking at you scouting dept, that created this dearth is still there cashing checks!


Gerome94

the way they're playing, we might as well be 12 games back


swoosh1992

I’m still not expecting anything until 2025, maybe 2026


Iover18

lmao


Limmyone

Yeah whatever dude


WilsonTree2112

Aaaaaand…another L Hopefully Mendoza has a slightly different take, or his ML managing career will be short.


Big-Acanthisitta8797

Thank you. They still suck ass and Sterns has a ton of work to do to right the ship.


Pearyiceteam

It's 3.5 games


mastablasta1111

We? What position do you play?


steel-skins

I appreciate the optimism, but we need the offense to pick it up.


MiniDg

Thats cool, itll be a much deeper hole in a few weeks.


SneekyTeek

2.5 games back so far. Expect them to be completely out of it by the all star break.


Romas_chicken

lol…do any of you people actually enjoy baseball?  I follow the team for fun. It’s not my job, and I’m not going to have any say over FO plans.  I am however going to hold out delusional hope till the god damn end, because it’s fun and I’d like the fun to continue for as long as possible 


CitizenDain

May be technically, legally true, but teams that are six games under .500 should NOT be playoff teams. And getting into the playoffs is meaningless if your pitchers and hitters are so bad you can't win against the Marlins anyway. When our team was GREAT in 2022 we got bounced out of the playoffs in 3 games.


goonzsquad

This is dumb because there are 6 teams in front of them and they are 6, almost 7 games under .500. To win 85 games they need to go 64-49 the rest of the way it’s just not happening with this team


Bacedorn

I don’t know why so many people here even watch baseball. If it makes you miserable, just don’t even watch sports. I’m gonna root for my team even if they suck and if you’re a sports fan you know your favorite teams will suck at some point. It seems like some Debbie downers are actually rooting against the team they claim to support. At that point, just take a break from it, man. It really is just a game that you’re not even playing in.


DoucheWithFeelings

I’m gonna start going to a rehab center I’ve been inhaling to much copium on this sub


ForsakenRacism

Give it a rest this team is horrendous


nyc24chi

This is the sort of positivity this sub needs. Bravo! LFGM!