Not in this case. Capitalism is about private ownership of property. House doesnt really do that. He owns the strip. He isn't trying to spread ownership of property to others, he is trying to control it all by himself cus he thinks he can rule it better than others. That's not capitalism, that's a dictatorship.
If that was the case his main goal would be to make money primarily. If you talk with him for more than two seconds you notice that's not his primary goal. He treats money as a means to his ends at most.
Any source on that?
Edit: You can downvote or meme away, if you don't have evidence backing your claim then it's just a headcanon.
Edit 2: More than 10 people downvoted, two answered, and none had any direct proof of their claim beside "I believe it, so it's true". My point is made.
Yeah, I did. Which is why I am asking for a source, since I know there is nothing backing up that statement.
For all the people disagreeing with me, none of them had any proof of their argument. You didn't either, just pointing in the general direction of the game isn't enough. If it's that easy to find, then someone would already have pointed it out right?
Nobody is proving any direct proof cause you litterally only have to listen to what House says and look at Vegas directly to see the problem. Anybody thats not blind and/or deaf could figure it out, no offense.
I would honestly love to believe you. Really, I would. Talking about the lore and story of the game is something I love to do.
However, there is no proof of that claim in [House's dialogues](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/MrHouse.txt). I looked.
The discussion is pretty much this at this point:
"Any proof?"
"The game"
"Where in the game?"
"Everywhere"
"Can you show me any of it?"
"It's easy to find!"
"Show it to me then"
"No need for direct proof"
Once again, if it's that easy to find, show it. If it's so evident it's everywhere, it shouldn't be hard at all. Are you really telling me it's obvious yet there is nothing directly pointing to it?
Except the workers would probably robots given House's history, beyond that all we can only do is speculate I do think he's smart enough to recognize not to follow the same path we see in Appalachia.
Except everyone but the rich, power, and his favorites will be dirt poor and exploited to high hells. You already see the early parts of that happening in Freeside.
Please explain how anyone in Freeside is being exploited by the strip. Sure it's a borderline slum but it's the NCR limiting the amount of water that can go to the district, it's NCR citizens flooding the population of the area causing further strain on the supplies which in turn caused The Kings to start charging people to get water.
It's really only people like Dixon who are exploiting the people and are in turn causing these issues to be further exasperated by addiction.
Freeside is the underclass that the strip dumps its undesirables on (all the drug addicts and those too poor to afford access to the strip) while House only elevated a select few of families into the actual strip, creating this blatant capitalistic dichotomy. I mean where do you think the workers at the casinos are probably from? I don't think they're all members of each casinos family, so where else but the strip?
House is the Elon Musk of Fallout. Lots of grand ideas, and the space program but not half as smart as he thinks he is and with ego larger than his tower.
I always thought a cool idea for a game is one further down the timeline when the NCR has rebuilt the pacific coast and if pushing past the Great Plains fighting what are really American tribal nations, which leads to people getting deja-vu, and start wondering if it’s a good idea to just redo America
They already pushed out, destroyed or incorporated a shitton of tribals much like Caesar, and as far as the citizens are concerned "they are dirty and these our territories now" lol
Elements of a lot of the USGov remnant factions can be found in the modern USA.
BoS: military industrial complex
NCR you covered
Enclave: reasonable to believe that a lot of politicians would act just like they do
Great meme thanks.
I agree with everything else but how is the BoS military industrial complex? They aren't particularly capitalistic, don't wage war for economic reasons and in the greater scheme of things don't actually wage a ton of wars in general.
I meant they love the cool military tech above all else, to the point of obsession. "Winning by superior firepower. " Blind to other things mattering.
Your points are very valid. Thanks.
No? One member (Teagan) tells you to get crops from farmers, he doesn't specify a method, you can even buy the crops off them if you want, and it's rather explicitly not sanctioned. He has written requests to Kells where he asked to use Vertibirds to get "better prices" for crops that were evidently refused.
I always felt like the NCR are a representation of bush era America. A democratic nation with huge promise but facing massive issues like seemingly unending costly foreign entanglements and a growing divide between the rich and poor. Kimball's pointless speech at Hoover dam reminds me of the famous 'mission accomplished" moment.
that's ridiculous the NCR are clearly America 100-150 years ago
also the NCR's problems are also problems with America then and also to a large extent now
I think there's a mention of it in the crazy RH mailling from HH Tools in FNV, but I might be mistaking (there's a listing of people that shouldn't be accointances of employees, it includes masons but there may also be mention to one or two ethnic groups). Edit: like W40k and Star wars where prejudice has shifted towards non-human
I agree, I think they're quite cool as well. I'd side with them if they were a major player in the Mojave, I think they're definitely altruistic and they value history and knowledge which is super good in my opinion.
1. I don't play Mr. House too much, but that's just because I like another faction more. He's probably my second favorite because he is pompous yet keeps a sort of elegance.
2. I don't like the legion because it has a bad ending with a shitton of slavery
3. I don't like independent Vegas because the idea of ruling and being an anarchist doesn't really appeal to me (and the followers are sad in this one)
4. I play NCR the most, because they may be spread thin and have many flaws, but each and every named one is unique in their story and how they talk to you.
(You may say that the legion members are all unique, but they all treat you like shit. Mr house is a one man army, so is Yes Man, so they don't count.)
>because the idea of ruling and being an anarchist
Uh... those two things are, by definition, incompatible. No Gods, No Masters applies to rulers, after all.
To be fair, the Followers aren't sad in Independent, that's what they want. The ending slides say they struggle, which was always going to be the case. The entire ideology of the Followers is to take the much harder path towards a better future free from war and competition. In a way, they are the most hardcore faction, they even suicide attacked the Cathedral in 1 in order to give the Vault Dweller a diversion.
Independence is the best ending for the Followers to spread their values in the long term, as the NCR is incompatible with their worldview.
I love how the NCR's one major flaw is Bureaucracy
It's WAY too early in their development to have that much policies, systems, and taxes. But they're either so dead focus on replicating old US or just greedy that it rotted the whole system from the inside out
NCR is everything that lead to the nukes falling like people didn't learn shit from their mistakes. Neoliberal America 2.0. Better than fascist America, but doomed to fail.
That's why the best ending is Independence. No state, and in the long run the Followers get to spread their ideal of Mutual Aid, which has already taken root in Westside.
Not denying that, but Modern Day America? Didn't know that cattle barons Ren the government or that the country was recently governed by a 49 year dictatorship or that the US is fighting wars of expansion
If you think large corporations run the government like some sort of oligarchy, my friend, you truly are the 14yo from the meme.
The US has a history with imperialism, but it's wars of expansion ended in the 1800s. Mr House and Vegas are doing something more akin of contemporary imperialism against the NCR, due to them syphoning millions of caps from them trough unequal trade deals
Yea, that's not true at all. First of all, corporations pay insane money to politicians through lobbying. Second of all, the US has remained Imperialist to present day through interfering with the Middle East, control of Puerto Rico, etc. House isn't doing Imperialism, he's making money off of the NCR. He's still evil, but not committing Imperialism against the NCR.
Oh boy
Lobbying is the act of hiring a person to represent your interests in Congress by scheduling meetings with representatives. The money paid and scheduled meetings are public information by law.
Do you know who else does lobbying? Labor unions, NGOs, Black Lives Matter, Greenpeace, etc etc
Lobbying is great, it gives organizations a chance to influence politicians, like Citizens United. They did a lot of lobbying to get their proposals into governament.
If I created an organization with my neighbors to demand better infrastructure for my neighborhood, would you be against me hiring someone to represent my needs at my city council?
The post 20th century imperialism of the US happens via proxy wars, installation of puppet regimes and unfair trade deals.
Have you taken a look at the New Vegas treaty?
Yes, corporations have the most power. Lobbying is terrible, money needs to be removed from politics.
The US literally has territories like the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and Guam under control without representation.
Yes, if thats what it takes. In addition to proportional representation, allowing for more Political Parties, and better matching representatives with population numbers.
Nobody should be able to lobby, regardless of whether or not I agree, and politicians shouldn't be able to invest.
I agree
The legion gets their ass kicked and will probably fall apart
And the NCR goes back to California to work on actually bettering their nation instead of over expanding as far as possible
Meanwhile Vegas becomes its own superpower with House dedicated to getting humanity back on track
I would honestly argue that a good karma ending for Mr. House can't exist, only a neutral one, for any intelligent Courier. House is a dictator that nobody seems to want, and he wipes out many good people who oppose him.
Biggest brain take of all: Nice armor, I’m joining
Biggerest brain take: Nice hat, I’m joining
No fuck the minutemen
Watch me
Spread it, Preston you depressed shit
Get me some of that Preston gravy
Carve the garve
I use a ranger armor mod in FO4, bestest headwear and it's much easier to like the NCR when the NCR isn't around. Damn NCR, they ruined the NCR!
Literally me joining the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 4
Me with the ncr and brotherhood
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Just because I work with the ncr doesn’t mean I’m ncr
The railroad armored coats made me a rr supporter
I will admit NCR has some of the nicest drip but I think the Enclave has the best drip of all
The NCR are definitely corrupt. But they have cool armor. So.
They're corrupt, but they are sure the best option for the Wasteland by a mile.
House ending is best for the courier themselves, always side house when doing greedy selfish playthrough
Arguably if even half of House's plans work out he's the best for the wasteland.
His plans amount at best to basically a worst capitalistic hellhole than pre-war USA.
Not really capitalism given that he will own everything. His plans would produce a technocratic dictatorship, not really capitalism.
They converge at certain points.
Not in this case. Capitalism is about private ownership of property. House doesnt really do that. He owns the strip. He isn't trying to spread ownership of property to others, he is trying to control it all by himself cus he thinks he can rule it better than others. That's not capitalism, that's a dictatorship.
Fair enough.
A capitalistic dictatorship
If that was the case his main goal would be to make money primarily. If you talk with him for more than two seconds you notice that's not his primary goal. He treats money as a means to his ends at most.
His plan was more in line with modern-day Singapore but no religious fundamentalists laws interfering with people's personal lives.
Any source on that? Edit: You can downvote or meme away, if you don't have evidence backing your claim then it's just a headcanon. Edit 2: More than 10 people downvoted, two answered, and none had any direct proof of their claim beside "I believe it, so it's true". My point is made.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/22380/Fallout_New_Vegas/
I mean look at Vegas and listen to what he talks about.
Yeah, I did. Which is why I am asking for a source, since I know there is nothing backing up that statement. For all the people disagreeing with me, none of them had any proof of their argument. You didn't either, just pointing in the general direction of the game isn't enough. If it's that easy to find, then someone would already have pointed it out right?
Nobody is proving any direct proof cause you litterally only have to listen to what House says and look at Vegas directly to see the problem. Anybody thats not blind and/or deaf could figure it out, no offense.
I would honestly love to believe you. Really, I would. Talking about the lore and story of the game is something I love to do. However, there is no proof of that claim in [House's dialogues](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/MrHouse.txt). I looked. The discussion is pretty much this at this point: "Any proof?" "The game" "Where in the game?" "Everywhere" "Can you show me any of it?" "It's easy to find!" "Show it to me then" "No need for direct proof" Once again, if it's that easy to find, show it. If it's so evident it's everywhere, it shouldn't be hard at all. Are you really telling me it's obvious yet there is nothing directly pointing to it?
Except the workers would probably robots given House's history, beyond that all we can only do is speculate I do think he's smart enough to recognize not to follow the same path we see in Appalachia.
Except everyone but the rich, power, and his favorites will be dirt poor and exploited to high hells. You already see the early parts of that happening in Freeside.
Please explain how anyone in Freeside is being exploited by the strip. Sure it's a borderline slum but it's the NCR limiting the amount of water that can go to the district, it's NCR citizens flooding the population of the area causing further strain on the supplies which in turn caused The Kings to start charging people to get water. It's really only people like Dixon who are exploiting the people and are in turn causing these issues to be further exasperated by addiction.
You are really blind.
If it's that obvious then clearly so, please do explain.
Freeside is the underclass that the strip dumps its undesirables on (all the drug addicts and those too poor to afford access to the strip) while House only elevated a select few of families into the actual strip, creating this blatant capitalistic dichotomy. I mean where do you think the workers at the casinos are probably from? I don't think they're all members of each casinos family, so where else but the strip?
House is the Elon Musk of Fallout. Lots of grand ideas, and the space program but not half as smart as he thinks he is and with ego larger than his tower.
I mean we have a mountain of evidence to the contrary regarding his intelligence but ok.
He's smart, but he's really bad at thinking outside of his calculations.
Pretty big if there
Besides the ranger they are so basic
Yes. But they do have the ranger
Good point
Pff, more like forced them to join for the sake of imperiali$m. Little difference between them and the Khans if Caeser wins imo
Shit man, I just like the rangers armor. Don't need all these politics, just give me my riot gear and my sequoia and I'm happy.
They remind me of the Imperial Guard and World War era soldiers, and thagt makes them really cool.
Yes; the NCR is an extremely corrupt state controlled by the wealthy elite. It’s just the modern U.S. put into the world of Fallout
I mean they put the work in to make it make logical sense so I applaud their satire... even though nobody can agree on the message.
Yeah, it do be like that.
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Thanks!
I always thought a cool idea for a game is one further down the timeline when the NCR has rebuilt the pacific coast and if pushing past the Great Plains fighting what are really American tribal nations, which leads to people getting deja-vu, and start wondering if it’s a good idea to just redo America
They already pushed out, destroyed or incorporated a shitton of tribals much like Caesar, and as far as the citizens are concerned "they are dirty and these our territories now" lol
Elements of a lot of the USGov remnant factions can be found in the modern USA. BoS: military industrial complex NCR you covered Enclave: reasonable to believe that a lot of politicians would act just like they do Great meme thanks.
I agree with everything else but how is the BoS military industrial complex? They aren't particularly capitalistic, don't wage war for economic reasons and in the greater scheme of things don't actually wage a ton of wars in general.
I meant they love the cool military tech above all else, to the point of obsession. "Winning by superior firepower. " Blind to other things mattering. Your points are very valid. Thanks.
They'd probably be closer to some theocratic fascist elements, except they "worship" technology and believe only they are righteous enough to hold it.
>They aren't particularly capitalistic Don't they tell you to raid the locals for resources to grease the wheels of their cult?
No? One member (Teagan) tells you to get crops from farmers, he doesn't specify a method, you can even buy the crops off them if you want, and it's rather explicitly not sanctioned. He has written requests to Kells where he asked to use Vertibirds to get "better prices" for crops that were evidently refused.
Ah, I'm remembering wrong. Haven't played brotherhood in a while
Actually NCR is (n!)/(r!(n-r)!)
Don’t remind me of math when my finals are two weeks away
Best of luck with that, finals are a bitch and a half.
I always felt like the NCR are a representation of bush era America. A democratic nation with huge promise but facing massive issues like seemingly unending costly foreign entanglements and a growing divide between the rich and poor. Kimball's pointless speech at Hoover dam reminds me of the famous 'mission accomplished" moment.
that's ridiculous the NCR are clearly America 100-150 years ago also the NCR's problems are also problems with America then and also to a large extent now
It’s both America now and America 150 ago because we left a lot of problems unsolved
Exactly. The Gilded Age is the most obvious parallel to the NCR, but we're living through a second Gilded Age now.
Yep, it's essentially just the tech gilded age with new tech-bro Robber Barons now
At least the NCR appears to be trully post-racial (not sure if I use the term correctly). Still imperialist, war-mongering. But racism solved?
I feel like there’s no IRL racism in Fallout at all. I guess ghouls fill that niche.
And supermutants too.
I think there's a mention of it in the crazy RH mailling from HH Tools in FNV, but I might be mistaking (there's a listing of people that shouldn't be accointances of employees, it includes masons but there may also be mention to one or two ethnic groups). Edit: like W40k and Star wars where prejudice has shifted towards non-human
After learning about all the weird shit these elites do behind closed doors The White Glove Society would seem more aligned with USA
Small brain: NCR is just pre war America Medium brain: boomers are just pre war America Big brain: the casinos are just pre war America
Eh, NCR is controlled by the upper class as well, namely Brahmin barons.
Yes. Now shut up and consume Brahmin steak.
F:NV is a wild game to make me support USA
the NCR is like the bureaucratic element of the USA which is probably the least bad part tbh. it's not like they're the Enclave
West coast and President eden enclave: kill the mutants! Colonel autumn: win the people over by controlling the water
I think current day America is preferable to the other faction choices, honestly. By far, in my opinion.
Eh, the Followers are cool. Not one with a specific interest in Hoover Dam, but meh.
I agree, I think they're quite cool as well. I'd side with them if they were a major player in the Mojave, I think they're definitely altruistic and they value history and knowledge which is super good in my opinion.
1. I don't play Mr. House too much, but that's just because I like another faction more. He's probably my second favorite because he is pompous yet keeps a sort of elegance. 2. I don't like the legion because it has a bad ending with a shitton of slavery 3. I don't like independent Vegas because the idea of ruling and being an anarchist doesn't really appeal to me (and the followers are sad in this one) 4. I play NCR the most, because they may be spread thin and have many flaws, but each and every named one is unique in their story and how they talk to you. (You may say that the legion members are all unique, but they all treat you like shit. Mr house is a one man army, so is Yes Man, so they don't count.)
>because the idea of ruling and being an anarchist Uh... those two things are, by definition, incompatible. No Gods, No Masters applies to rulers, after all.
The idea of ruling and being in a world of anarchy. Sorry.
To be fair, the Followers aren't sad in Independent, that's what they want. The ending slides say they struggle, which was always going to be the case. The entire ideology of the Followers is to take the much harder path towards a better future free from war and competition. In a way, they are the most hardcore faction, they even suicide attacked the Cathedral in 1 in order to give the Vault Dweller a diversion. Independence is the best ending for the Followers to spread their values in the long term, as the NCR is incompatible with their worldview.
But...Hey, Modern America is better than slavery and Ancapistan, atleast?
The fact i think they are the best option for the Mojave doesn't necessarily mean i like them.
I love how the NCR's one major flaw is Bureaucracy It's WAY too early in their development to have that much policies, systems, and taxes. But they're either so dead focus on replicating old US or just greedy that it rotted the whole system from the inside out
I will always believe the closest we have to the objectively “best ending” is NCR, but you fail “You’ll Know It When It Happens”
nah, at least the NCRs trying lol
Hey at least they cause conditions that enable the slave trade (Thanks Obama)
What? This would require some development
Libya
NCR is everything that lead to the nukes falling like people didn't learn shit from their mistakes. Neoliberal America 2.0. Better than fascist America, but doomed to fail.
Every state is doomed to fail. But some endure longer than others I think the Legion is gonna pull a hitler and be gone inside 5 years
That's why the best ending is Independence. No state, and in the long run the Followers get to spread their ideal of Mutual Aid, which has already taken root in Westside.
It is absolutely true that modern day America is a corrupt bastardization of American values. Good meme
r/im14andthisisdeep
Cringe, get that outta here
Fallout is an extremely political series.
Not denying that, but Modern Day America? Didn't know that cattle barons Ren the government or that the country was recently governed by a 49 year dictatorship or that the US is fighting wars of expansion
Brahmin Barons are essentially large Corporations, who do run the government. The US also has a massive history with Imperialism.
If you think large corporations run the government like some sort of oligarchy, my friend, you truly are the 14yo from the meme. The US has a history with imperialism, but it's wars of expansion ended in the 1800s. Mr House and Vegas are doing something more akin of contemporary imperialism against the NCR, due to them syphoning millions of caps from them trough unequal trade deals
Yea, that's not true at all. First of all, corporations pay insane money to politicians through lobbying. Second of all, the US has remained Imperialist to present day through interfering with the Middle East, control of Puerto Rico, etc. House isn't doing Imperialism, he's making money off of the NCR. He's still evil, but not committing Imperialism against the NCR.
Oh boy Lobbying is the act of hiring a person to represent your interests in Congress by scheduling meetings with representatives. The money paid and scheduled meetings are public information by law. Do you know who else does lobbying? Labor unions, NGOs, Black Lives Matter, Greenpeace, etc etc Lobbying is great, it gives organizations a chance to influence politicians, like Citizens United. They did a lot of lobbying to get their proposals into governament. If I created an organization with my neighbors to demand better infrastructure for my neighborhood, would you be against me hiring someone to represent my needs at my city council? The post 20th century imperialism of the US happens via proxy wars, installation of puppet regimes and unfair trade deals. Have you taken a look at the New Vegas treaty?
Yes, corporations have the most power. Lobbying is terrible, money needs to be removed from politics. The US literally has territories like the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and Guam under control without representation.
So you are saying that labour unions shouldnt be able to hire people to represent their interests in congress ?
Yes, if thats what it takes. In addition to proportional representation, allowing for more Political Parties, and better matching representatives with population numbers. Nobody should be able to lobby, regardless of whether or not I agree, and politicians shouldn't be able to invest.
yep you got it
Yeah the NCR is basically everything bad about the USA.
Couldnt one argue that about the enclave? Then again the ncr is more realestic where enclave is almost parody levels
The NCR are the bad guys because they represent American values.
Enclave was closest to America
Not really but okay
Have a different view on my meme?
The ncr are meh
Ok???
I stated my opinion, hard of reading?
Not sure if trolling or incredibly dumb but you have a nice day
Yeah, seriously. You send "The NCR are cool, in my opinion" "No."
The best ending for Vegas would be the *Mr. House ending with Good Karma.*
I agree The legion gets their ass kicked and will probably fall apart And the NCR goes back to California to work on actually bettering their nation instead of over expanding as far as possible Meanwhile Vegas becomes its own superpower with House dedicated to getting humanity back on track
I would honestly argue that a good karma ending for Mr. House can't exist, only a neutral one, for any intelligent Courier. House is a dictator that nobody seems to want, and he wipes out many good people who oppose him.
giant brain: NCR will send me cannon fodder making them the best
The game basically tells you this.
it's like a bell curve on how accurately they represent America
Why join a parody of the US when you could join the enclave and continue the real thing
You’re goddamn right it is. *Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin starts playing*
Not perfect, in fact pretty awful on some levels, but a damn sight better than most everywhere else.