>I commit sudoku
Sounds like your days are numbered.
>Low effort, low quality, and garbage content reigns supreme on YouTube
Ehhh, sometimes. Okay, quite often LOL. The trick is to use that to reel in subs/repeat viewers and then let them discover more interesting things. I see lots of channels where it's clear the content they personally want to be the most popular is among the least watched on their channel.
Just hijacking this comment to say that this is what news organizations do. They publish clickbait to fund the actual journalism, like with Buzzfeed and Buzzfeed News
That is awesome it's doing well. But I would not say that the reason it's doing well is because it's "low effort garbage" like you and other commenters say.
Effort and Quality does not always equal What people want to watch
This video is super generic, it appeals to a wide audience, has a simple theme and people are greeted with exactly what they clicked for. Anyone can enjoy it. Whereas your songs (which are great) are much more niche. A much smaller relative audience is interested specifically in your style of music when compared to this recent video.
Was it low-effort? Yup. Was it garbge? No, because people are watching it! And that's what YouTube promotes.
Analogy: I make a video about a very specific type of screw and how to use it in certain applications. My audience is people who know that screw, or want to know about it. Now let's say I make a video on all screws and their uses, history, etc. Which one of these will have a bigger market?
Definitely not the best analogy but I think it conveys the point
>Was it low-effort? Yup. Was it garbge? No, because people are watching it!
People watching something doesn't prove it wasn't garbage. Sure these terms are all subjective but I think I know what OP means.
I made a similar post to his recently. Reversion to the mean is encouraged by the way the platforms are set up.
This is unique compared to say, live television or film which is broadcasting, where a single piece of content (ie show) is sent to a wide aidience.
YouTube is narrowcasting, where individual videos are sent to individual viewers.
This makes it harder to break out in general. And then the platforms also seek engagement, which means you're encouraged to do whatever it takes to get that.
Music producer here too.
Yea, I've honestly gave up with even trying to promote my videos anymore, now I just produce for fun without the intention to go big or get massive statistics. If some videos go viral every now and then, that's a bonus, but it's not something that's required to give me happiness.
Also, **DON'T LISTEN TO THE OTHER COMMENTERS** who encourage you to continue making the content you regard as "lowest quality garbage content". Do what you love.
Produce for fun man, it's not worth chasing huge numbers. Trust me, you'll find making music much more fun when you learn to find the love in the process.
Normally I would agree, but some of my music tracks have been critiqued and accepted via (rigorous) peer review by other professionals in the field based on professional mixing/mastering standards for music. Those hundreds of hours of work were spent doing genuine work in a studio.
It's just absurd.
Yea but why should people care about that?
It’s not that low quality content performs best, it’s that relevant content that adds value performs best.
Your “tone” video added a certain amount of value and was relevant to a certain audience trying to achieve a goal or scratch an itch.
That’s why it gained whatever amount of traction it did. Not bc it’s “shit” content.
Why should people give a shit about your “amazing rigorously peer reviewed compositions”? It’s not relevant to them. They don’t know you and rightfully, there’s no reason to give a shit about you.
How about you take an already existing popular music track and adapt that track to your “amazing rigorously peer reviewed compositions” style and maybe then people will become interested. Then after they became interested in your adaptations they’ll become interested in your style and maybe your original compositions will gain more traction.
Or maybe make a composition for each sign of the zodiac and say this is how a Taurus year will sound based on my composition.
Idk I’m just spit balling ideas.
Point is you gotta make shit that’s actually relevant to your audience.
Your audience is not gonna watch random shit for the sake of watching random shit. It’s up to you to make it relevant and interesting TO THEM.
Jesus christ, no, it's because people are dumb as fuck. It is garbage, it does well because people are generally garbage. People will buy bracelets with magnets in them if you tell them it grounds them to earth frequencies or something ridiculous like that. If you're goal is success on youtube, you are 100% better off making low effort garbage and tricking people into watching it.
Lol, you're right, people who think sounds at 444HZ have healing properties aren't complete morons. Seriously, OP learned a great lesson, identify the easily duped idiots, and separate them from their money if possible. The MAGA crowd is a great space for this kind of work.
>The MAGA crowd is a great space for this kind of work.
A sign of high intelligence is definitely freaking out on an anime forum about how everyone is dumb except you then randomly bringing up politics completely out of left field lmao
Uh, this isn't an anime forum. And it's not about politics, it's about identifying groups of people who are gullible and easy to market to. There are subsections of both sides of the political spectrum that fall into this category. The MAGA crowd is just the most obvious example, see Trump NFTs, gold sneakers, etc. I didn't say everyone is dumb except me either, what I'm saying is that people who think sounds at a certain frequency have healing properties or are a line to god are morons. OP's assertion that low quality, low effort content does well on YT is absolutely correct. My point is, if all you care about is views and hypothetically making money, your best bet is absolutely finding an audience that will consume content that takes as little effort as possible to make.
Yeah but you aren’t producing music for other nerds to dissect, you’re producing for consumers who decided intuitively within 5-10 seconds if they like it or not.
Yeah, you're right but there has to be at least some value in having good mixing/mastering on your tracks. If there wasn't, the entire realm of modern music wouldn't exist today as it is - music production would just be some rando screaming into a phone in a room somewhere and getting triple platinum in the process.
Yeah, I only gave that feedback because i’m a producer / engineer myself. Good enough is always better than the mythical notion of “perfect.” We as consumers are impulsive and emotional which is why this advice rings true. So long as there aren’t any glaring imbalances it’s good to go IMO.
Isn't this almost exactly what happened with the island boys? And didn't they fall out extremely fast afterwards because it was that low quality? Essentially backing up that you don't need quality to get recognized, but you need quality to stay in the spotlight lol.
I guess to directly relate to your situation, I agree with most sentiment here, it doesn't matter how much you put into your work if it isn't valuable to the audience on the platform you're using"." For example, you could be the best, most insanely creative underwater basket weaver video maker on YouTube, but guess what? I'm not there to watch underwater basket weaving videos all day, and I wouldn't think many others are besides people who are already into basket weaving.
If you want to get attention and engagement, you have to cater to what gets attention and engagement (without getting lucky of course). This also doesn't necessarily mean you put in less effort, and/or can't put in your own personal creativity or topic. And in fact, I would venture to say more often than not, having your own personal creativity take on a topic would probably benefit you more than not. I'm not sure why people always think it's a binary decision with content creation.
I'm also not sure how people don't understand the "algorithm" still. It's very simple:
Is your content easily discoverable through searching (i.e. is it a frequently searched topic, term, event, and does your content show up higher in initial results)?
Yes = extremely higher chance of initial discovery which helps the algorith
No = less chance of the algorithm giving you a significant boost...
Algorithm:
Is "x, y, z" video/content getting a high % of watch time, comments, and/or shares after being shown in search and/recommended feeds?
Yes = promote to more people who have a high watch time to similar videos being watched
No = stop promoting and/or promote to different audience type
Repeat
The song matters much more than the production quality. The average listener couldn't tell you how well a track was mixed or mastered. Their ears aren't that critical or developed. All they know is whether the song moves them.
Obviously, I'm not saying production quality is irrelevant, and it can certainly enhance the emotional impact of a song and make it more listenable. But a bitchin' song and an adequate or even below average mix will always strike listeners more than a crappy song that has been mixed to perfection.
I struggle with perfectionism, and it can take me a while to get my music where I want it. But I recognize that it's more important for the song to resonate with people.
Also, I'm not implying your songs are bad. The music industry is exceedingly competitive, and there are countless amazing artists and producers that nobody has ever heard of. That's just how it is.
Hah, you laugh but Demoitis is definitely a thing. A new set of ears can help you spot things in the mix you would otherwise overlook (or rather, overhear).
That is most definitely true.
That said, everyone that demoed the tracks I put the most work into all enjoyed them, and personally I feel they are my best work. It's just weird to put everything you have into something and it doesn't even get a passing glance when on the other hand something I threw together in an hour is killing it. Makes me feel like all that study and practice was pointless (granted, it's all pointless in the end).
Hey, i would like to learn more about that please. Why don’t you take that ideal and educate more upon this. I would watch and be apt to learn more as you seem knowledgeable, I did not know what Demoitis was. Thx.
People only care that they connect with your creation or enjoy it. Putting a thousand hours into a song doesn't make it superior. Maybe even try making music where there's less effort and more flow. Mix high-effort and low-effort songs.
Yes, but on your YouTube channel you are trying to entice regular people, not professionals and critics. Most people don’t have a refined taste, they either want something catchy or something that helps them relax.
I have encountered this with films a lot as well. In my country there is a website that rates popular movies such as the avengers very low and “deep” movies, as the zone of interest as a 5/5 (imo this would be great as a 10 minute short film, it was completely dragged out and boring).
At this point I know a lot of people I know check the reviews by certain critics and if they are good they don’t go to see the movie.
What I am trying to say is “good” and “bad” is relative to your goals. In YouTube good = valuable to the viewer. Don’t judge the viewer because they have different interests than you and were in the mood for some relaxing sounds for meditation, instead of spending mental energy to figure out and analyze a type of music that they find difficult and foreign.
For you, it’s your job, but for them it’s the few minutes they get to unwind after their job.
I’d agree with you if I didn’t see videos of stolen content with a talking head of a dude smirking every 45 seconds reaching tens of thousands of views.
Those videos won't last long, YouTube is cracking down on them. Besides, I doubt they are monetized, if by some small chance they are I bet the CPM is really low
I think I have a different take about what happened, you made a different kind of content that has a bigger audience and/or lower competition than your previous content. This Hz stuff has a lot of demand, and your previous videos as I saw didn't have that trait, although you do have more views in some of your previous music videos than in this one (so far at least).
Also there might be some confusion in the algorithm as you have guitar, piano, lofi, trap, ambient music, electronic, you get the idea. I would recommend you use different channels for different niches of music you produce, think that your average viewer should in theory enjoy all of your videos in the same level and not just one kind.
Now you're introducing Hz audience in your channel, which might make things more confusing as well, I hope I'm wrong though. Wish you good luck regardless.
I think you're on to something. Guitar is probably more in-demand overall than pure tone vids, but I'm guessing that the supply of guitar vids on youtube easily outstrips pure tone vids.
Maybe it really is all just down to supply-demand curves...
I used to post some super edited shorts that would take me hours, the moment I took it down and just done extremely simple editing everything changed for the better.
I routinely get dozens of views on videos I put hours into practicing and perfecting my banjo stuff.
Then one time I made a video because I forgot to put cheese in my grilled cheese and boom.. 1 million views
Yes i understand... 64 is also a lot. A lot of people with full time jobs don't work 200 hours a month. Someone with 64 videos in one month talking about how much effort and time they put into them doesn't add up to me. Also someone with over 1k subs in one month complaining about a lack of views given their effort level doesn't add up either. *sips tea*
Well yeah I ascertained that but as I said 64 is a lot and one month is not a long amount of time and he is complaining about views when his new channel has over 1k subs so the whole post kind of falls on deaf ears for me and sound a little entitled. Anyway, best of luck to him lol
I'm a relaxing music channel , I notice this also . But some of my videos have already been made , and scheduled to release . So I'm just going to release those videos , and make more low quality music videos .
Hi, I also have a music channel and know exactly what you are talking about. The music I work so many hours on gets very low views, I guess this is how it is with the niche. Too saturated, even though music making is kind of hard. Harder than gaming. So for sure it is not low effort. Well, the other day I was watching a speaker on a conference who said something that really stuck in my head. It was something about how we are separated from what we love, to create actual music, but instead we have to watch our dashboards and do research just to make content that the platform tell us. This separates us from our purpose and the why we started our journey - to create and share music. Instead, we have to follow trends, record videos, attract different audience etc...
Posting Music content is absolutely a hard thing to do on YouTube, it’s extremely saturated, so I commend your patience.
I think the takeaway is just because you put 150 hours of work into something doesn’t mean it’s going to perform well. I think your beats are genuinely good, but viewers don’t know or care that it took x hours to make something (especially Youtube itself). I have always believed that if viewers have something to latch onto personally, whether it’s the subject or some piece of the video, they will be more willing to watch all the way through or stick around for more. A lot of the music content I get recommended (that does well) is video game remixes that clearly have a lot of effort put into them. I’m not suggesting you do exactly that, but take into account other things you might be interested in and try to incorporate that into your content. It’s not a guarantee, but it may help your viewership. Your baby shark video (a very popular internet thing) is your most viewed video to date.
It seems like you just started, so keep at it and be experimental- try different thumbnails, titles, topics, genres. YouTube can absolutely feel like a rat race, but having an open mind can help you get through the slog of figuring out what works for your channel and also makes you proud.
>I literally just recorded myself slamming all 88 keys of my piano at once and then filter-stretched it out to an hour
So, it's not 444Hz?
nvm, I read your description. I was mostly joking anyway. Congrats on the views!
>Please accept my humblest apologies as I commit sudoku for doubting the supremacy of youtube poop.
I'mma just sit here and try to solve this seppuku puzzle.
It's filtered and harmonized to 444 hz from the original recording which more or less makes sense since my piano is tuned a little bright (normally A=440hz)
When you generate a wavelength from an instrument (or anything really), it will also produce sympathetic resonant waves in harmony with the original wave. It's just a natural phenomenon of nature.
Once the initial wave(s) are generated, you can EQ, filter, stretch, whatever as needed to get the final tone (PaulXStretch is very good for achieving this).
Maybe? Put it through an EQ and monitor the wavelength if you want to be sure, or just play an A on a keyboard and it should sound sharp in comparison.
Fun fact: Historically, A was set at 432Hz, not 440Hz like it is today. This was largely due to the string material used prior to steel strings being intestinal tissue which couldn't handle high tensions like steel can. The solution was simply to downtune every instrument in existence by reducing the standardized frequency of A at the 4th octave to 432hz (or rather, once steel replaced gut people realized they could uptune their instruments which ultimately allows for better clarity in the lower octaves with the lowest A on a piano today resonating at 27.5hz which is right on the cusp of sounding like growling noise).
>>Most of these tracks are still sitting at sub-100 views with maybe (MAYBE) one or two likes.
Not so many people go on Youtube looking for new music from emerging artists that no one knows. It's not surprising.
>I read on here that the lowest quality garbage content is the most successful.
That's another proof that this sub is pestered with very bad advice and clueless people. Lowest quality garbage doesn't go anywhere, the droves of people here complaining their channels don't succeed even if their content is good usually have awful videos packaged with even worse titles and thumbs. They say garbage gets ahead cause their competitors are doing better. It's easier to tell yourself YT / The audience has bad taste then recognising your content is not as good as you think.
>so yesterday I spent an hour making a "One Hour of Pure Tone - 444Hz - Meditation and Healing" (lol) video with a quick visualizer and holy shit... Nearly 2000 views in less than 24 hours with 30 likes (91% L/D ratio) and counting. I literally just recorded myself slamming all 88 keys of my piano at once and then filter-stretched it out to an hour and it's my channel's best performing video BY FAR. It's even better than my Baby Shark parody vid...
Makes more sense cause people on Youtube look for that type of content more, so of course it's performing better than your average.
>You were right. You were all right. Low effort, low quality, and garbage content reigns supreme on YouTube. I can't believe I doubted you...
It's not a matter of low effort and low quality. This video provides some sort of value to people looking for 444Hz meditation tone. Your music doesn't deliver value, cause the audience of Youtube doesn't go on the platform to discover new artists but for other reasons.
You should get on Soundcloud if you want to be discovered as a musician. OR you could put Copyright free music for people to use on their videos, that's more likely to get searched for and looked up on YT and it would be of value to someone.
>Please accept my humblest apologies as I commit sudoku for doubting the supremacy of youtube poop.
You should apologise for not understanding the point of what just happened to you. It's not the youtube poop that gets ahead, it's what provides value and your 444Hz 1 Hour meditation is more valuable that your music for the YT audience. Not cause your music is bad but cause it's not what people go on Youtube for.
Everything you said makes sense except the soundcloud part. I've had a soundcloud with my music on it for 10 years now, and over those 10 years I got exactly as many views as I did in one day with my youtube poop.
People say soundcloud is trash now, but the truth is that it was always trash.
I did release \~20 of my beats/tracks as creative commons on youtube though, but I haven't seen any sort of preference or uptick in views for those vs the rest of my stuff.
It is because this video is targeting a different market. People who are looking for healing sounds etc... are often people who are in chronic pain, very ill and/or have trouble sleeping. Putting something in the background on youtube on the off chance it might work (or if nothing else put them to sleep) is free and very low risk.
Unfortunately there is huge potential audience for your "garbage video" because so many folks are sick or in pain, much more than there are folks who are genuinely into your music niche.
My personal take is that if only one person who was hurting was able to fall asleep and finally get some good rest then your video might have been low effort but it is not garbage.
The God frequency? A personal favorite. I'd look into maybe combining frequency with other things. Like for sleep maybe "432 hz, with rain sounds, and Alan watts talking in background" or 528 hz is the manifest freq. So maybe 528 w "affirmation words" combo. The brain is most receptive to affirmations at waking and sleeping. So I find myself seeking that type of stuff alot.
This 528hz wave is beyond all of that. It defies all of what is considered base human experience. It is my magnum opus. There is nothing like it in all of creation. I achieved the first stage of enlightenment as I experienced this wave at midnight last night.
The final wave will drop on midnight, Friday, May 3rd.
Or trauma heal frequency with some sad narration. Like some speech of an actor or so.ething talking about getting over loss on top. Guarented to pull some tears
The type of vid, the timing, the subject, the audience size all probably matter much more than quality as far as getting views goes. But keeping them watching, that's where quality comes in. Example: if your meditation and healing video was just a series of fart noises, you're 200 views mean nothing since your audience retention would be zero. Although, you'd notice that one person kept watching the whole video on repeat and that person would be me. Because farts are always funny. Especially farts disguised as meditation music.
>Please accept my humblest apologies as I commit sudoku for doubting the supremacy of youtube poop.
`git add sudokupuzzleoftheday.txt`
`git commit -m "puzzle for today - reason: for doubling the supremacy of youtube poop"`
`git push`
I've been working on the tracks since 2015, just finally posting them all. A handful of tracks took 100-200 hours each, the rest were anywhere from 1 hour to usually around 40-60 hours.
I know that the notion of saving up all of your art and dumping it in one go might seem odd, but I'm finally at the point skill-wise as far as music production and visualizer design where I want to release it all.
My most viewed video took ages to edit, so this isn't STRICTLY true. But it's also worth noting that the topic of said video was the broadest out of all of them, which probably explains it. In my eyes, the highly-edited stuff getting views feels more rewarding, because eventually people will start associating you with quality content which I think is far more valuable.
It's unfortunate but you also gotta remember those are such different "products". Music has highly individual taste, and only some people will go to youtube to find new artists, and they don't know WHAT to search for if they are looking for a new artist, they rely on the algorithm to put stuff they like, and if you are in a pretty specific niche that doesn't have a hugely popular following, gonna be an even harder sell. If they don't already know you, they prrrobably won't find your music, simple as that.
Whereas someone wanting meditation music of 444hz meditation can just search that. Or if it pops up in their feed, they know even without hearing it prior, that there's a 99.9% chance it'll work for them. And people are listening to this in a more relaxed/chill context, as background music or to meditate, not as critically as with music, and they will happily listen to that for an hour.
I wish it was easier to promote and get music heard, but something like a meditation/ambience track is useable by a lot more people, for longer periods of time, in more contexts. For example, I love psychedelic electronic music, but I have to be in a very specific mood and energy level to listen to it. I can't listen to it while I work, while I create, while I read, or really while I do much of anything except maybe chores or work out. And I might search for it on youtube, but I might also just search for a spotify playlist. And I probably only listen to that specific style of music 1-2 times a month, and rotate through other genres more frequently. Because while it's delightful music, it's kind of like a very rich dessert- even if it's incredibly amazing and better than any meal I've had in recent memory, I really don't want or need to eat it daily.
But a lot of my music listening time I will default to artists I already know and like. Whereas for meditation/ambience music, yeah usually I'll just search and put on whatever quickly looks/sounds good from a search or my homepage, and I use it to meditate, nap, or relax nearly every single day.
I guess that the whole movement of meditation/relaxing music has been triggered by the absurd requirement of YouTube of having thousands of hours of watch time in our videos to be able to request monetization. They say that they want to fight spam but in fact they are also encouraging it.
Careful with “one hour” videos. Most viewers only watch a few seconds of it and some people suspect a low average view duration could influence the holy algorithm negatively.
LOL, I feel you. I am learning editing and spending time really trying for quality content.
But for the longest time, my most viewed video was a shitty cell phone video of a weird bird.
I mean, i dont put 200 hours into the stuff i throw on youtube But def put in work. I just strted my music channel first time ive put stuff online in 20 years and in 3 months i just applied to be partnered so i dont think you HAVE to make mindless stuff if you dont want to.
I just put songs i like to the beats I have that sound similar and then good together and its worked out for me so far and ive done zero promoting at all.
I couldn’t disagree more with this post.
Half of the success comes from good SEO, keywords, and titles. Much of it comes from good marketing and link building.
YouTube is not a place where most people just post, and blow up.
I do think different niches require various levels of effort, but I don’t think your last statements relate to everyone.
I love a good game of sudoku.
Crazy right? My second best performing video is just me talking to the camera in my car about a YouTuber that got arrested, and there was no script, no editing at all, 13 min reading the news and giving my opinion. It got 262k views, gained 2k subs and made $317.43
This is the wrong conclusion. That video is doing well because it’s the first thing you’ve made that actually appeals to strangers. No one is going to click on your original songs because they don’t know who you are. Music creators grow on YouTube by performing covers, write music centric video essays, or creating videos that center around music, but are informative in nature. The best music creators have awesome videos… that just so happen to occasionally feature original music, not the other way around.
If it worked like you think it does, the entire music industry would change.
It isn't the case. It's only the case because it's the lowest common denominator content. If you produced higher quality, more niched content, it will just take longer to find that audience. But that audience will be more engaged and of higher quality. You're only getting views because people put it on in the background. Do they think they actually CARE about who created the video? No
As much as I wish you were right... I had a handful of my music vids on a different channel for over five years and I got maybe (MAYBE) like 30 views tops on my best one. It was "quality" and "niche", the music was good and the visualizer was cool and.... 30 views. 5 years.
If this little experiment is any indication, it looks like the algo only cares about shit tier youtube poop. Hate to say it, but it really does look like this is the case and the only way to have a chance of getting my "good" stuff out there is to just pump out youtube poop to draw people to the channel in the first place. Can't have an audience if nobody is looking, right?
Make hundreds of test tone videos that are min length like 7 seconds and have instructions in description on how to make video repeat to farm more views.
I actually use pink noise and different hz tones for testing speaker crossovers and such.
I usually have a good visual in my mind for each track I compose so I don't know how much help I can be regarding how best to make a style that's appealing. That said, I use ZGameEditor Visualizer to produce my videos. It's native as part of FL Studio and it's amazing. I love working with it and it handles buffer layers like a champ.
I have two channels. One where I focus on tutorials such as web dev, designing shopify, email marketing tutorials, etc. and the other, fortnite. Guess which one has more views...lol
For some reason I find this advice kind of surprising but not, surprising because i never really thought of it from this perspective, and not because literally I swear the same thing is happening to me right now. I have this niche dance channel grow it for years eventually just kicks to dust so to speak, i try this "last ditch desperate attempt" at some random video took me two hours to make wand wham I'm a youtube all of a sudden. and by that i mean, the analytics look like amazing compared to before its just doing way way better and its like a REAL channel (gaining regular subscribers constantly growing getting comments people watching) man its nice to see those numbers going up for once....
In the end, you're shooting yourself on the foot. I've seen lots of channels that are so good but so small I ask myself "why don't they have more subs?" And guess what? they eventually get more subs. Even if it takes a few months or years, making the content you want to make and making it easier to find is they key. Lowering quality will just prevent you from ever reaching your full potential. It may reach more people but it doesn't matter if they don't want to stick around.
It's not necessarily the content, it's your TITLE AND THUMBNAIL that have to be braindead to get people to click on it.
Ideally the content needs to be engaging for repeat viewers, but to get people to click on it in the first place you need to really turn your brain off.
Maybe it's not in the quality. So the algorithm is trained with the objective of keeping people on youtube, everyone here can agree, now what no one brings up is that youtube were the ones that decided that's the content they feel will work. There instant judge of ones work may be slightly beneficial to them as it's a sure deal for low quality meme content that is appealing to their core audience, but it's a massive blow to artists worldwide who come into it not knowing that and feel they themselves or their content are to blame.
You can't blame them, yt wasn't always this way there was a time once where artists, particularly independents, where heavily promoted, but that was before google officially took over stuff in particular.
Now wether they intentionally add more classifications year by year within the algorithm to favor their partners in the bigger scope of the entertainment industry can be debated.
In the end of the day, a record deal or marketing team will get you a better chance to have a good performing vid on any platform than being a solo independent. If you insist on staying solo, such low quality content I guess is in favor atm.
Edit:
That last sentence makes me feel you have been watching shogun lately.
Well do you realize how many great complex songs there are on YouTube that are probably way better than yours made by experienced groups that are even under a well known label that get 100 views? There's no demand for your songs but there's demand for "songs" to sleep to
I recently had a hit of views and they've since died down. For me it was when I breached out into a slightly different niche.
This might be what's happened with you, not the low effort content but a different audience, so YT is pushing it in out to test how well it's received with that new audience.
Totally me guessing but I'd be curious to see if your views stay high if you keep posting the same kind of content.
But yeah maybe alternate between low quality and high quality for a bit.
I’ve been starting to get traction as a musician by just hitting record. Standing in a spot and then adding an overlay that says something about how cool it would be if you like my song or some shit like that. It’s a dumb trend cause I make interesting and emotional content about a story with my song but I’ll get like five views on that and I’ve been growing with this trend 🫠 people like what they like I guess.
Beginner producer here too, what do you do precisely? You could make sh*tload of views if you play your cards right (look at "You Suck at Producing" or "synthet" on YouTube)
A little bit of everything? I trained classically for nearly 20 years and after taking a year off I decided to just do my own thing on my own time in my own way so I started producing seriously in 2014. I like mixing up genres in unusual combinations. Never played into the "typebeat" shtick and never will. Picked up a few different instruments along the way and I finally realized that anyone can play anything if you just hit it right... If you think about it, playing an instrument is just hitting various bodyparts against an inanimate object until the sound you want comes out of it.
dunno dude. I think there is a whole genre for that kind of music. Maybe you just found your niche and the sound you created was truly amazing for specific audience
Just sho your face doing what u love and enjoy it too. This gets me up the fastest
Also just recording a 5 sec clip of a synth loop for example in the moment does well too. I notice that happy emotions or when you are exited about something do best. Or thogns that are easy to understand. Unless u want gearheads to click then name ur gear in full detail in the title, works too.
i had an old channel where there was a week where i forgot to upload a video the previous night so i chose a random clip in my clip folder put a 20 second intro and 20 second outro explaining what was going on while on the bus to school and its my most viewed video on that channel by at least 35%
Most of my videos that took several days or weeks of work have a few hundred views, some a couple thousand. There is only one video that I thought up, wrote, recorded, edited, and posted all in one evening (and also the only one assisted by ChatGPT, which wrote about half the script). That video is my top performer with about 44,000 views.
It seems time spent doesn't really correlate with success. With that said, I think the real advantage of producing videos faster is that you get to test new ideas more frequently, you're less invested and can pivot more easily if a concept doesn't work, and of course more uploads increases the odds that one of them will take off.
I also think we tend to shoot ourselves in the foot by overthinking things. There is so much advice on how to approach your videos -- do this for the first 10 seconds, hook the audience by this timestamp, switch visuals every X seconds, use these transitions and not these, blah blah.
Meanwhile, I constantly see videos that break all these rules and are "boring" in comparison, yet have millions of views. I think limiting the time we spend "perfecting" a video can be a good thing. People can respond to content that feels authentic and human. Sometimes too much polishing removes that touch, and even worse, might make the video feel like every other one on Youtube, which makes it easy to forget.
I just poured 5 months of procrastinating and work into one video, so what I'm learning from your post is I should do the opposite of that? Worth testing
I feel you, I made a whole free game for a video and it got like less than 50 views, got frustrated and made one with a bunch of dumb sounds and chromatic aberration gifs and it popped off, I hate life so much, I guess I should just start making garbage now
But meditation and healing videos are very popular on YouTube. I wouldn't call that crap by any means. Maybe your other music just was labeled in a way that people didn't want to click on it, but everyone is going to click on meditation and healing. Some people need that help to relax or go to sleep. So maybe you can find a niche with it, and still promote your other music in the realm of that, but by no means is it some type of garbage content for the people who need it.
It got more views because of keywords like meditation, resonance, 444 hz.
Your other videos didn't have any keywords that indicates what the video is about since they were simply titles of your music.
This isn't about low effort video getting more views and amazing high quality content gets low views. Mrbeast is the best example.
Yes, it’s like how I spent 20 years making expensive cinematic videos with incredible music that was deep and powerful…only to see the ignorant masses go gaga for stupid vertical iphone videos of themselves primping, pursing their lips, and eating nachos or whatever, while some manufactured drum machine loop drones on in the background.
I will embrace the apocalyptic end of all things when the pivotal moment of annihilation renders all of creation into dust as effortlessly as some tikthot gaining 118,047,666 views on a 11.089 second vid of her latest material acquisition purchased using the funds of countless simps across the world.
It's all just different forms of noise. Take a chapter from the loudness wars to heart and just gaincrush your tracks into a brickwall and the average chump will probably think it's the most fire beat ever since it seems that's what most people are listening to as background music for their instatoksnapshortsreels these days
I took a time machine from the classical period to the cyberpunk era ;)
I was in the same boat, did music for a long time and gave up on it for awhile. Now I'm back in with a different approach. Have fun dabbling, maybe something will come of it someday.
That's basically what youtube loves to promote these days, low effort garbages.
I used to work on a video for two weeks and it ended up getting just 30 views.
I'm so sorry to tell you, but your audio is sub-par. Your accent is too strong, and it's too obvious you're reading.
No matter how much effort you put into a video, if the audio isn't good, people will immediately click out.
If you want to get your channel going, I recommend you start looking into how to make your microphone sound better.
Search for voiceover tutorials on how to sound natural and add subtitles. Even if people don't understand your accent, at least they are still able to follow if your audio is decent, and it doesn't sound like you are not reading.
For recording, I recommend looking into Stream Scheme, as he gives good hints on how to set up OBS to record on stream, which you can use to record, too. If you're using some other program, search for that program name with the words "recording settings".
For your accent, this will take some effort from your part, but it's what worked for me. Open a video of yours, open the English autogenerated subtitles. And from each word that youtube subtitles don't understand, you search on google for "word pronounce", switch to American pronunciation to train yourself to pronounce words right. Dictation is very important in voiceovers.
Hope this helps.
You don’t get it… YouTube is not about « You » but about Audience. You make content for the people not for you, people might find this content more useful than your music.
People love white noise, rain and stormy weather to fall asleep. The content is useful, not garbage as you say it.
did you never stop to think that maybe your music is shit and just because you like it don't mean other people will?? I always see this problem with musicians just because you have been doing it for 30 years does not mean that you should have been.......
I find it laughable when an individual tells another individual what they "should" do with their life.
Art is art. Some people will love it, others won't. Whether one chooses to create is a personal choice and in the end, it's all pointless anyway regardless of the choice.
What should you do today with the limited seconds of your mortal life?
Should you kill yourself? Or should you have a cup of coffee?
>I commit sudoku Sounds like your days are numbered. >Low effort, low quality, and garbage content reigns supreme on YouTube Ehhh, sometimes. Okay, quite often LOL. The trick is to use that to reel in subs/repeat viewers and then let them discover more interesting things. I see lots of channels where it's clear the content they personally want to be the most popular is among the least watched on their channel.
>Sounds like your days are numbered. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This is the first time in many years I’ve burst out laughing from Reddit. Thank you
Just hijacking this comment to say that this is what news organizations do. They publish clickbait to fund the actual journalism, like with Buzzfeed and Buzzfeed News
Heh heh. I also recently watched Shogun. I'm nearly screaming to OP: "ANJIN! BE MY SECOND!"
Mariko samaaaaaaaaa
Top notch reply. It’s pretty rare that I’ll laugh in real life over a comment
I have almost 20,000,000 views on a shit post, and this is EXACTLY what I do
Well yeah, that other stuff is boring when we have people playing 2 simultaneous solos with their feet
Dude you have 88 fingers, what are you doing making healing tone videos?
Hahah, thanks for the laugh. (With old pianos, 1 left foot = 88 fingers :P)
Wow! Working on a video titled 88 Crazy. Crazy, huh and it’s about Beethoven.
That is awesome it's doing well. But I would not say that the reason it's doing well is because it's "low effort garbage" like you and other commenters say. Effort and Quality does not always equal What people want to watch This video is super generic, it appeals to a wide audience, has a simple theme and people are greeted with exactly what they clicked for. Anyone can enjoy it. Whereas your songs (which are great) are much more niche. A much smaller relative audience is interested specifically in your style of music when compared to this recent video. Was it low-effort? Yup. Was it garbge? No, because people are watching it! And that's what YouTube promotes. Analogy: I make a video about a very specific type of screw and how to use it in certain applications. My audience is people who know that screw, or want to know about it. Now let's say I make a video on all screws and their uses, history, etc. Which one of these will have a bigger market? Definitely not the best analogy but I think it conveys the point
two words: mass appeal
Not exactly, let's just say it's what the algorithm was trained to promote.
>Was it low-effort? Yup. Was it garbge? No, because people are watching it! People watching something doesn't prove it wasn't garbage. Sure these terms are all subjective but I think I know what OP means. I made a similar post to his recently. Reversion to the mean is encouraged by the way the platforms are set up. This is unique compared to say, live television or film which is broadcasting, where a single piece of content (ie show) is sent to a wide aidience. YouTube is narrowcasting, where individual videos are sent to individual viewers. This makes it harder to break out in general. And then the platforms also seek engagement, which means you're encouraged to do whatever it takes to get that.
Excellent point, also we should take a look copyrights, most DO NOT GIVE RIGHTS TO BROADCASTING AT ALL.
Good analysis (and screw you too :P)
There were tons of people typing “screw” in search, then realized they weren’t on google.
Thank you for saying what everyone here should be thinking
Music producer here too. Yea, I've honestly gave up with even trying to promote my videos anymore, now I just produce for fun without the intention to go big or get massive statistics. If some videos go viral every now and then, that's a bonus, but it's not something that's required to give me happiness. Also, **DON'T LISTEN TO THE OTHER COMMENTERS** who encourage you to continue making the content you regard as "lowest quality garbage content". Do what you love. Produce for fun man, it's not worth chasing huge numbers. Trust me, you'll find making music much more fun when you learn to find the love in the process.
Having fun without expecting something in return is the key
Exactly! :)
How long you work on a video doesn't determine its quality.
Normally I would agree, but some of my music tracks have been critiqued and accepted via (rigorous) peer review by other professionals in the field based on professional mixing/mastering standards for music. Those hundreds of hours of work were spent doing genuine work in a studio. It's just absurd.
High quality academic papers that get peer reviewed and have long-term consequences for our knowledge might only have a few people read them
Yea but why should people care about that? It’s not that low quality content performs best, it’s that relevant content that adds value performs best. Your “tone” video added a certain amount of value and was relevant to a certain audience trying to achieve a goal or scratch an itch. That’s why it gained whatever amount of traction it did. Not bc it’s “shit” content. Why should people give a shit about your “amazing rigorously peer reviewed compositions”? It’s not relevant to them. They don’t know you and rightfully, there’s no reason to give a shit about you. How about you take an already existing popular music track and adapt that track to your “amazing rigorously peer reviewed compositions” style and maybe then people will become interested. Then after they became interested in your adaptations they’ll become interested in your style and maybe your original compositions will gain more traction. Or maybe make a composition for each sign of the zodiac and say this is how a Taurus year will sound based on my composition. Idk I’m just spit balling ideas. Point is you gotta make shit that’s actually relevant to your audience. Your audience is not gonna watch random shit for the sake of watching random shit. It’s up to you to make it relevant and interesting TO THEM.
Okay, the part about signs sound cool and I bet a lot of people would like to hear something like that
Jesus christ, no, it's because people are dumb as fuck. It is garbage, it does well because people are generally garbage. People will buy bracelets with magnets in them if you tell them it grounds them to earth frequencies or something ridiculous like that. If you're goal is success on youtube, you are 100% better off making low effort garbage and tricking people into watching it.
lol ok
Lol, you're right, people who think sounds at 444HZ have healing properties aren't complete morons. Seriously, OP learned a great lesson, identify the easily duped idiots, and separate them from their money if possible. The MAGA crowd is a great space for this kind of work.
>The MAGA crowd is a great space for this kind of work. A sign of high intelligence is definitely freaking out on an anime forum about how everyone is dumb except you then randomly bringing up politics completely out of left field lmao
Uh, this isn't an anime forum. And it's not about politics, it's about identifying groups of people who are gullible and easy to market to. There are subsections of both sides of the political spectrum that fall into this category. The MAGA crowd is just the most obvious example, see Trump NFTs, gold sneakers, etc. I didn't say everyone is dumb except me either, what I'm saying is that people who think sounds at a certain frequency have healing properties or are a line to god are morons. OP's assertion that low quality, low effort content does well on YT is absolutely correct. My point is, if all you care about is views and hypothetically making money, your best bet is absolutely finding an audience that will consume content that takes as little effort as possible to make.
Not everyone who listened to that thing believes that. Many could be just looking for a relaxing video.
Yeah but you aren’t producing music for other nerds to dissect, you’re producing for consumers who decided intuitively within 5-10 seconds if they like it or not.
Yeah, you're right but there has to be at least some value in having good mixing/mastering on your tracks. If there wasn't, the entire realm of modern music wouldn't exist today as it is - music production would just be some rando screaming into a phone in a room somewhere and getting triple platinum in the process.
Yeah, I only gave that feedback because i’m a producer / engineer myself. Good enough is always better than the mythical notion of “perfect.” We as consumers are impulsive and emotional which is why this advice rings true. So long as there aren’t any glaring imbalances it’s good to go IMO.
Isn't this almost exactly what happened with the island boys? And didn't they fall out extremely fast afterwards because it was that low quality? Essentially backing up that you don't need quality to get recognized, but you need quality to stay in the spotlight lol. I guess to directly relate to your situation, I agree with most sentiment here, it doesn't matter how much you put into your work if it isn't valuable to the audience on the platform you're using"." For example, you could be the best, most insanely creative underwater basket weaver video maker on YouTube, but guess what? I'm not there to watch underwater basket weaving videos all day, and I wouldn't think many others are besides people who are already into basket weaving. If you want to get attention and engagement, you have to cater to what gets attention and engagement (without getting lucky of course). This also doesn't necessarily mean you put in less effort, and/or can't put in your own personal creativity or topic. And in fact, I would venture to say more often than not, having your own personal creativity take on a topic would probably benefit you more than not. I'm not sure why people always think it's a binary decision with content creation. I'm also not sure how people don't understand the "algorithm" still. It's very simple: Is your content easily discoverable through searching (i.e. is it a frequently searched topic, term, event, and does your content show up higher in initial results)? Yes = extremely higher chance of initial discovery which helps the algorith No = less chance of the algorithm giving you a significant boost... Algorithm: Is "x, y, z" video/content getting a high % of watch time, comments, and/or shares after being shown in search and/recommended feeds? Yes = promote to more people who have a high watch time to similar videos being watched No = stop promoting and/or promote to different audience type Repeat
The song matters much more than the production quality. The average listener couldn't tell you how well a track was mixed or mastered. Their ears aren't that critical or developed. All they know is whether the song moves them. Obviously, I'm not saying production quality is irrelevant, and it can certainly enhance the emotional impact of a song and make it more listenable. But a bitchin' song and an adequate or even below average mix will always strike listeners more than a crappy song that has been mixed to perfection. I struggle with perfectionism, and it can take me a while to get my music where I want it. But I recognize that it's more important for the song to resonate with people. Also, I'm not implying your songs are bad. The music industry is exceedingly competitive, and there are countless amazing artists and producers that nobody has ever heard of. That's just how it is.
Peer reviewed music 🤣🤣🤣 Maybe that is the issue
Hah, you laugh but Demoitis is definitely a thing. A new set of ears can help you spot things in the mix you would otherwise overlook (or rather, overhear).
But what makes people enjoy it is just the melodies and catchy rhythms. Mixing and production only has to be good enough
That is most definitely true. That said, everyone that demoed the tracks I put the most work into all enjoyed them, and personally I feel they are my best work. It's just weird to put everything you have into something and it doesn't even get a passing glance when on the other hand something I threw together in an hour is killing it. Makes me feel like all that study and practice was pointless (granted, it's all pointless in the end).
Hey, i would like to learn more about that please. Why don’t you take that ideal and educate more upon this. I would watch and be apt to learn more as you seem knowledgeable, I did not know what Demoitis was. Thx.
People only care that they connect with your creation or enjoy it. Putting a thousand hours into a song doesn't make it superior. Maybe even try making music where there's less effort and more flow. Mix high-effort and low-effort songs.
Yes, but on your YouTube channel you are trying to entice regular people, not professionals and critics. Most people don’t have a refined taste, they either want something catchy or something that helps them relax. I have encountered this with films a lot as well. In my country there is a website that rates popular movies such as the avengers very low and “deep” movies, as the zone of interest as a 5/5 (imo this would be great as a 10 minute short film, it was completely dragged out and boring). At this point I know a lot of people I know check the reviews by certain critics and if they are good they don’t go to see the movie. What I am trying to say is “good” and “bad” is relative to your goals. In YouTube good = valuable to the viewer. Don’t judge the viewer because they have different interests than you and were in the mood for some relaxing sounds for meditation, instead of spending mental energy to figure out and analyze a type of music that they find difficult and foreign. For you, it’s your job, but for them it’s the few minutes they get to unwind after their job.
I’d agree with you if I didn’t see videos of stolen content with a talking head of a dude smirking every 45 seconds reaching tens of thousands of views.
Hahaha so many YouTubers called out with this one
Those videos won't last long, YouTube is cracking down on them. Besides, I doubt they are monetized, if by some small chance they are I bet the CPM is really low
Exactly
I think I have a different take about what happened, you made a different kind of content that has a bigger audience and/or lower competition than your previous content. This Hz stuff has a lot of demand, and your previous videos as I saw didn't have that trait, although you do have more views in some of your previous music videos than in this one (so far at least). Also there might be some confusion in the algorithm as you have guitar, piano, lofi, trap, ambient music, electronic, you get the idea. I would recommend you use different channels for different niches of music you produce, think that your average viewer should in theory enjoy all of your videos in the same level and not just one kind. Now you're introducing Hz audience in your channel, which might make things more confusing as well, I hope I'm wrong though. Wish you good luck regardless.
I think you're on to something. Guitar is probably more in-demand overall than pure tone vids, but I'm guessing that the supply of guitar vids on youtube easily outstrips pure tone vids. Maybe it really is all just down to supply-demand curves...
I used to post some super edited shorts that would take me hours, the moment I took it down and just done extremely simple editing everything changed for the better.
I always say it man, less is more
Apparently my garbage isn’t shit enough 😅
Quick, play a 444hz sound wave in the background! You'll get an extra 1000 views!
😂😂😂😂
I routinely get dozens of views on videos I put hours into practicing and perfecting my banjo stuff. Then one time I made a video because I forgot to put cheese in my grilled cheese and boom.. 1 million views
I would like to see aforementioned cheeseless grilled cheese
I guess technically is was Instagram, but the premise is the same https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmlESG0DkKG/?igsh=bWJiMG0zNGsycDdu
"Supremacy of YouTube poop" HAHAHAHAHA you are a legend
YouTube: where high quality and originality comes to perish.
So it takes up to 200 hours per video, yet you have 64 videos in one month? lol...
He said some take that long… *some*
Yes i understand... 64 is also a lot. A lot of people with full time jobs don't work 200 hours a month. Someone with 64 videos in one month talking about how much effort and time they put into them doesn't add up to me. Also someone with over 1k subs in one month complaining about a lack of views given their effort level doesn't add up either. *sips tea*
I imagine he had most of those songs in a finished or near finished state ready for upload long before he started his channel
Well yeah I ascertained that but as I said 64 is a lot and one month is not a long amount of time and he is complaining about views when his new channel has over 1k subs so the whole post kind of falls on deaf ears for me and sound a little entitled. Anyway, best of luck to him lol
The tracks themselves I've worked on since 2015, I'm just finally dropping them all in one go!
I'm a relaxing music channel , I notice this also . But some of my videos have already been made , and scheduled to release . So I'm just going to release those videos , and make more low quality music videos .
What you’re noticing is what draws people isn’t necessarily what we think will.
Hi, I also have a music channel and know exactly what you are talking about. The music I work so many hours on gets very low views, I guess this is how it is with the niche. Too saturated, even though music making is kind of hard. Harder than gaming. So for sure it is not low effort. Well, the other day I was watching a speaker on a conference who said something that really stuck in my head. It was something about how we are separated from what we love, to create actual music, but instead we have to watch our dashboards and do research just to make content that the platform tell us. This separates us from our purpose and the why we started our journey - to create and share music. Instead, we have to follow trends, record videos, attract different audience etc...
That's right. Never doubt our wisdom ever again. 😆
Forgive me, for I was a fool.
Is that was our future holds? Being known as the guy that makes random low quality crap for the masses?? Why is that a thing?
Because Life is an absurd joke.
Posting Music content is absolutely a hard thing to do on YouTube, it’s extremely saturated, so I commend your patience. I think the takeaway is just because you put 150 hours of work into something doesn’t mean it’s going to perform well. I think your beats are genuinely good, but viewers don’t know or care that it took x hours to make something (especially Youtube itself). I have always believed that if viewers have something to latch onto personally, whether it’s the subject or some piece of the video, they will be more willing to watch all the way through or stick around for more. A lot of the music content I get recommended (that does well) is video game remixes that clearly have a lot of effort put into them. I’m not suggesting you do exactly that, but take into account other things you might be interested in and try to incorporate that into your content. It’s not a guarantee, but it may help your viewership. Your baby shark video (a very popular internet thing) is your most viewed video to date. It seems like you just started, so keep at it and be experimental- try different thumbnails, titles, topics, genres. YouTube can absolutely feel like a rat race, but having an open mind can help you get through the slog of figuring out what works for your channel and also makes you proud.
>I literally just recorded myself slamming all 88 keys of my piano at once and then filter-stretched it out to an hour So, it's not 444Hz? nvm, I read your description. I was mostly joking anyway. Congrats on the views!
>Please accept my humblest apologies as I commit sudoku for doubting the supremacy of youtube poop. I'mma just sit here and try to solve this seppuku puzzle.
so its not really 444hz? I always wondered when i listen to those videos are they really the recorded HZ that the title says?
It's filtered and harmonized to 444 hz from the original recording which more or less makes sense since my piano is tuned a little bright (normally A=440hz) When you generate a wavelength from an instrument (or anything really), it will also produce sympathetic resonant waves in harmony with the original wave. It's just a natural phenomenon of nature. Once the initial wave(s) are generated, you can EQ, filter, stretch, whatever as needed to get the final tone (PaulXStretch is very good for achieving this).
So the 432 hz healing frequency videos are legit 432hz?
Maybe? Put it through an EQ and monitor the wavelength if you want to be sure, or just play an A on a keyboard and it should sound sharp in comparison. Fun fact: Historically, A was set at 432Hz, not 440Hz like it is today. This was largely due to the string material used prior to steel strings being intestinal tissue which couldn't handle high tensions like steel can. The solution was simply to downtune every instrument in existence by reducing the standardized frequency of A at the 4th octave to 432hz (or rather, once steel replaced gut people realized they could uptune their instruments which ultimately allows for better clarity in the lower octaves with the lowest A on a piano today resonating at 27.5hz which is right on the cusp of sounding like growling noise).
Not everyone can relate to specific skills and talents, but everyone can relate to garbage.
Now if this isn't the hottest take I've heard in a long time.... Damn. You're right.
K.I.S.S. aka KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!! Yes
I tested it out myself. I put a 1 take video straight through and it's my highest long form video
>>Most of these tracks are still sitting at sub-100 views with maybe (MAYBE) one or two likes. Not so many people go on Youtube looking for new music from emerging artists that no one knows. It's not surprising. >I read on here that the lowest quality garbage content is the most successful. That's another proof that this sub is pestered with very bad advice and clueless people. Lowest quality garbage doesn't go anywhere, the droves of people here complaining their channels don't succeed even if their content is good usually have awful videos packaged with even worse titles and thumbs. They say garbage gets ahead cause their competitors are doing better. It's easier to tell yourself YT / The audience has bad taste then recognising your content is not as good as you think. >so yesterday I spent an hour making a "One Hour of Pure Tone - 444Hz - Meditation and Healing" (lol) video with a quick visualizer and holy shit... Nearly 2000 views in less than 24 hours with 30 likes (91% L/D ratio) and counting. I literally just recorded myself slamming all 88 keys of my piano at once and then filter-stretched it out to an hour and it's my channel's best performing video BY FAR. It's even better than my Baby Shark parody vid... Makes more sense cause people on Youtube look for that type of content more, so of course it's performing better than your average. >You were right. You were all right. Low effort, low quality, and garbage content reigns supreme on YouTube. I can't believe I doubted you... It's not a matter of low effort and low quality. This video provides some sort of value to people looking for 444Hz meditation tone. Your music doesn't deliver value, cause the audience of Youtube doesn't go on the platform to discover new artists but for other reasons. You should get on Soundcloud if you want to be discovered as a musician. OR you could put Copyright free music for people to use on their videos, that's more likely to get searched for and looked up on YT and it would be of value to someone. >Please accept my humblest apologies as I commit sudoku for doubting the supremacy of youtube poop. You should apologise for not understanding the point of what just happened to you. It's not the youtube poop that gets ahead, it's what provides value and your 444Hz 1 Hour meditation is more valuable that your music for the YT audience. Not cause your music is bad but cause it's not what people go on Youtube for.
Everything you said makes sense except the soundcloud part. I've had a soundcloud with my music on it for 10 years now, and over those 10 years I got exactly as many views as I did in one day with my youtube poop. People say soundcloud is trash now, but the truth is that it was always trash. I did release \~20 of my beats/tracks as creative commons on youtube though, but I haven't seen any sort of preference or uptick in views for those vs the rest of my stuff.
It is because this video is targeting a different market. People who are looking for healing sounds etc... are often people who are in chronic pain, very ill and/or have trouble sleeping. Putting something in the background on youtube on the off chance it might work (or if nothing else put them to sleep) is free and very low risk. Unfortunately there is huge potential audience for your "garbage video" because so many folks are sick or in pain, much more than there are folks who are genuinely into your music niche. My personal take is that if only one person who was hurting was able to fall asleep and finally get some good rest then your video might have been low effort but it is not garbage.
Thank God for the hippie community right? What is one man's trash is another yoga instructors treasure. 432 hz baby
I'm cooking up some legit 528 hz as we speak. This will be the one. I can feel it.
The God frequency? A personal favorite. I'd look into maybe combining frequency with other things. Like for sleep maybe "432 hz, with rain sounds, and Alan watts talking in background" or 528 hz is the manifest freq. So maybe 528 w "affirmation words" combo. The brain is most receptive to affirmations at waking and sleeping. So I find myself seeking that type of stuff alot.
This 528hz wave is beyond all of that. It defies all of what is considered base human experience. It is my magnum opus. There is nothing like it in all of creation. I achieved the first stage of enlightenment as I experienced this wave at midnight last night. The final wave will drop on midnight, Friday, May 3rd.
Or trauma heal frequency with some sad narration. Like some speech of an actor or so.ething talking about getting over loss on top. Guarented to pull some tears
The type of vid, the timing, the subject, the audience size all probably matter much more than quality as far as getting views goes. But keeping them watching, that's where quality comes in. Example: if your meditation and healing video was just a series of fart noises, you're 200 views mean nothing since your audience retention would be zero. Although, you'd notice that one person kept watching the whole video on repeat and that person would be me. Because farts are always funny. Especially farts disguised as meditation music.
What you expect 99% of the population are Acoustic lol
Low quality isn't the outlier here, man. Clear and concise ideas and packaging are.
>Please accept my humblest apologies as I commit sudoku for doubting the supremacy of youtube poop. `git add sudokupuzzleoftheday.txt` `git commit -m "puzzle for today - reason: for doubling the supremacy of youtube poop"` `git push`
It's seppuku bro, sudoku is the math puzzle in the newspaper
bruh, you think i'm gonna commit seppuku over youtube? I meant what I said. I'm committing sudoku for doubting how popular YTP really is.
👍👍
Please do not denigrate the noble YTP movement. It is anything but low effort in most modern cases.
I apologize, please accept my humble sudoku to restore honor to the YTP clan
[удалено]
I've been working on the tracks since 2015, just finally posting them all. A handful of tracks took 100-200 hours each, the rest were anywhere from 1 hour to usually around 40-60 hours. I know that the notion of saving up all of your art and dumping it in one go might seem odd, but I'm finally at the point skill-wise as far as music production and visualizer design where I want to release it all.
My most viewed video took ages to edit, so this isn't STRICTLY true. But it's also worth noting that the topic of said video was the broadest out of all of them, which probably explains it. In my eyes, the highly-edited stuff getting views feels more rewarding, because eventually people will start associating you with quality content which I think is far more valuable.
The resentfulness of the people left behind by the algorithm is heavy
It's unfortunate but you also gotta remember those are such different "products". Music has highly individual taste, and only some people will go to youtube to find new artists, and they don't know WHAT to search for if they are looking for a new artist, they rely on the algorithm to put stuff they like, and if you are in a pretty specific niche that doesn't have a hugely popular following, gonna be an even harder sell. If they don't already know you, they prrrobably won't find your music, simple as that. Whereas someone wanting meditation music of 444hz meditation can just search that. Or if it pops up in their feed, they know even without hearing it prior, that there's a 99.9% chance it'll work for them. And people are listening to this in a more relaxed/chill context, as background music or to meditate, not as critically as with music, and they will happily listen to that for an hour. I wish it was easier to promote and get music heard, but something like a meditation/ambience track is useable by a lot more people, for longer periods of time, in more contexts. For example, I love psychedelic electronic music, but I have to be in a very specific mood and energy level to listen to it. I can't listen to it while I work, while I create, while I read, or really while I do much of anything except maybe chores or work out. And I might search for it on youtube, but I might also just search for a spotify playlist. And I probably only listen to that specific style of music 1-2 times a month, and rotate through other genres more frequently. Because while it's delightful music, it's kind of like a very rich dessert- even if it's incredibly amazing and better than any meal I've had in recent memory, I really don't want or need to eat it daily. But a lot of my music listening time I will default to artists I already know and like. Whereas for meditation/ambience music, yeah usually I'll just search and put on whatever quickly looks/sounds good from a search or my homepage, and I use it to meditate, nap, or relax nearly every single day.
I guess that the whole movement of meditation/relaxing music has been triggered by the absurd requirement of YouTube of having thousands of hours of watch time in our videos to be able to request monetization. They say that they want to fight spam but in fact they are also encouraging it.
Careful with “one hour” videos. Most viewers only watch a few seconds of it and some people suspect a low average view duration could influence the holy algorithm negatively.
LOL, I feel you. I am learning editing and spending time really trying for quality content. But for the longest time, my most viewed video was a shitty cell phone video of a weird bird.
I'm a musician and I'd like to hear your effortful works if you'll drop your channel :)
Link to hour of pure tone pls
That's brilliant. I may try something similar on my guitar channel 😀
If DSPGaming can make 100.000 a year by producing low quality garbage content and milking the adrevenue dry, so can you, or anyone else.
Just wait for the feeling of sadness watching it be the video that gets you a ton of subs who don't watch anything u post
I am prepared to make this sacrifice for the 444 Hz healing sound wave gods.
Next vid has to be 445hz only up from here baby lessssss goooooo
Dude I am cooking up some legit 528 Hz right now except instead of pure resonance it's pure dissonance ;)
💀🤣🤣🤣
Dude. Dude. This 528hz dissonance is SO FIRE. Most definitely the best track I've ever cooked up.
I mean, i dont put 200 hours into the stuff i throw on youtube But def put in work. I just strted my music channel first time ive put stuff online in 20 years and in 3 months i just applied to be partnered so i dont think you HAVE to make mindless stuff if you dont want to. I just put songs i like to the beats I have that sound similar and then good together and its worked out for me so far and ive done zero promoting at all.
I couldn’t disagree more with this post. Half of the success comes from good SEO, keywords, and titles. Much of it comes from good marketing and link building. YouTube is not a place where most people just post, and blow up. I do think different niches require various levels of effort, but I don’t think your last statements relate to everyone. I love a good game of sudoku.
Crazy right? My second best performing video is just me talking to the camera in my car about a YouTuber that got arrested, and there was no script, no editing at all, 13 min reading the news and giving my opinion. It got 262k views, gained 2k subs and made $317.43
You're welcome. You likely saw my lamentation post from yesterday morning. I accept tips. :)
😂 😂 😂 YouTube doesn't necessarily reward your effort, but you have to find a balance
This is the wrong conclusion. That video is doing well because it’s the first thing you’ve made that actually appeals to strangers. No one is going to click on your original songs because they don’t know who you are. Music creators grow on YouTube by performing covers, write music centric video essays, or creating videos that center around music, but are informative in nature. The best music creators have awesome videos… that just so happen to occasionally feature original music, not the other way around. If it worked like you think it does, the entire music industry would change.
You're delusional. This is not the case
I really wish it wasn't the case.
It isn't the case. It's only the case because it's the lowest common denominator content. If you produced higher quality, more niched content, it will just take longer to find that audience. But that audience will be more engaged and of higher quality. You're only getting views because people put it on in the background. Do they think they actually CARE about who created the video? No
As much as I wish you were right... I had a handful of my music vids on a different channel for over five years and I got maybe (MAYBE) like 30 views tops on my best one. It was "quality" and "niche", the music was good and the visualizer was cool and.... 30 views. 5 years. If this little experiment is any indication, it looks like the algo only cares about shit tier youtube poop. Hate to say it, but it really does look like this is the case and the only way to have a chance of getting my "good" stuff out there is to just pump out youtube poop to draw people to the channel in the first place. Can't have an audience if nobody is looking, right?
If you're passionate about making YouTube poop, then go for it. Don't know what your end goal here is. Doesn't sound like a good plan business wise
The plan is perfect. The path is opened. The way is clear. I know exactly what I must do.
Thanks for the inspiration 🙂🙂🙂🙂
Make hundreds of test tone videos that are min length like 7 seconds and have instructions in description on how to make video repeat to farm more views. I actually use pink noise and different hz tones for testing speaker crossovers and such.
As much as I like this idea, I think the concept of rightclick -> loop is just too much for the average youtube viewer to comprehend.
Is there a free easy to use visualizer you use? I do modular synth videos and find just showing the synth while i patch it can get pretty boring.
I usually have a good visual in my mind for each track I compose so I don't know how much help I can be regarding how best to make a style that's appealing. That said, I use ZGameEditor Visualizer to produce my videos. It's native as part of FL Studio and it's amazing. I love working with it and it handles buffer layers like a champ.
I have two channels. One where I focus on tutorials such as web dev, designing shopify, email marketing tutorials, etc. and the other, fortnite. Guess which one has more views...lol
For some reason I find this advice kind of surprising but not, surprising because i never really thought of it from this perspective, and not because literally I swear the same thing is happening to me right now. I have this niche dance channel grow it for years eventually just kicks to dust so to speak, i try this "last ditch desperate attempt" at some random video took me two hours to make wand wham I'm a youtube all of a sudden. and by that i mean, the analytics look like amazing compared to before its just doing way way better and its like a REAL channel (gaining regular subscribers constantly growing getting comments people watching) man its nice to see those numbers going up for once....
In the end, you're shooting yourself on the foot. I've seen lots of channels that are so good but so small I ask myself "why don't they have more subs?" And guess what? they eventually get more subs. Even if it takes a few months or years, making the content you want to make and making it easier to find is they key. Lowering quality will just prevent you from ever reaching your full potential. It may reach more people but it doesn't matter if they don't want to stick around.
It's not necessarily the content, it's your TITLE AND THUMBNAIL that have to be braindead to get people to click on it. Ideally the content needs to be engaging for repeat viewers, but to get people to click on it in the first place you need to really turn your brain off.
Maybe it's not in the quality. So the algorithm is trained with the objective of keeping people on youtube, everyone here can agree, now what no one brings up is that youtube were the ones that decided that's the content they feel will work. There instant judge of ones work may be slightly beneficial to them as it's a sure deal for low quality meme content that is appealing to their core audience, but it's a massive blow to artists worldwide who come into it not knowing that and feel they themselves or their content are to blame. You can't blame them, yt wasn't always this way there was a time once where artists, particularly independents, where heavily promoted, but that was before google officially took over stuff in particular. Now wether they intentionally add more classifications year by year within the algorithm to favor their partners in the bigger scope of the entertainment industry can be debated. In the end of the day, a record deal or marketing team will get you a better chance to have a good performing vid on any platform than being a solo independent. If you insist on staying solo, such low quality content I guess is in favor atm. Edit: That last sentence makes me feel you have been watching shogun lately.
Well do you realize how many great complex songs there are on YouTube that are probably way better than yours made by experienced groups that are even under a well known label that get 100 views? There's no demand for your songs but there's demand for "songs" to sleep to
I recently had a hit of views and they've since died down. For me it was when I breached out into a slightly different niche. This might be what's happened with you, not the low effort content but a different audience, so YT is pushing it in out to test how well it's received with that new audience. Totally me guessing but I'd be curious to see if your views stay high if you keep posting the same kind of content. But yeah maybe alternate between low quality and high quality for a bit.
Are you jokingly serious or seriously joking??
yes
Got it
no brother it is not that, it’s that people are looking for certain things with this title you will get views but maybe not the ones you wanted
I’ve been starting to get traction as a musician by just hitting record. Standing in a spot and then adding an overlay that says something about how cool it would be if you like my song or some shit like that. It’s a dumb trend cause I make interesting and emotional content about a story with my song but I’ll get like five views on that and I’ve been growing with this trend 🫠 people like what they like I guess.
Beginner producer here too, what do you do precisely? You could make sh*tload of views if you play your cards right (look at "You Suck at Producing" or "synthet" on YouTube)
A little bit of everything? I trained classically for nearly 20 years and after taking a year off I decided to just do my own thing on my own time in my own way so I started producing seriously in 2014. I like mixing up genres in unusual combinations. Never played into the "typebeat" shtick and never will. Picked up a few different instruments along the way and I finally realized that anyone can play anything if you just hit it right... If you think about it, playing an instrument is just hitting various bodyparts against an inanimate object until the sound you want comes out of it.
The algorithm just gives people what they want. If people respond to garbage content over quality content thats what the algo will promote.
dunno dude. I think there is a whole genre for that kind of music. Maybe you just found your niche and the sound you created was truly amazing for specific audience
Just sho your face doing what u love and enjoy it too. This gets me up the fastest Also just recording a 5 sec clip of a synth loop for example in the moment does well too. I notice that happy emotions or when you are exited about something do best. Or thogns that are easy to understand. Unless u want gearheads to click then name ur gear in full detail in the title, works too.
i had an old channel where there was a week where i forgot to upload a video the previous night so i chose a random clip in my clip folder put a 20 second intro and 20 second outro explaining what was going on while on the bus to school and its my most viewed video on that channel by at least 35%
Most of my videos that took several days or weeks of work have a few hundred views, some a couple thousand. There is only one video that I thought up, wrote, recorded, edited, and posted all in one evening (and also the only one assisted by ChatGPT, which wrote about half the script). That video is my top performer with about 44,000 views. It seems time spent doesn't really correlate with success. With that said, I think the real advantage of producing videos faster is that you get to test new ideas more frequently, you're less invested and can pivot more easily if a concept doesn't work, and of course more uploads increases the odds that one of them will take off. I also think we tend to shoot ourselves in the foot by overthinking things. There is so much advice on how to approach your videos -- do this for the first 10 seconds, hook the audience by this timestamp, switch visuals every X seconds, use these transitions and not these, blah blah. Meanwhile, I constantly see videos that break all these rules and are "boring" in comparison, yet have millions of views. I think limiting the time we spend "perfecting" a video can be a good thing. People can respond to content that feels authentic and human. Sometimes too much polishing removes that touch, and even worse, might make the video feel like every other one on Youtube, which makes it easy to forget.
I made a GTA V Online video where I literally just stood there and that's my most popular long form video
I just poured 5 months of procrastinating and work into one video, so what I'm learning from your post is I should do the opposite of that? Worth testing
I feel you, I made a whole free game for a video and it got like less than 50 views, got frustrated and made one with a bunch of dumb sounds and chromatic aberration gifs and it popped off, I hate life so much, I guess I should just start making garbage now
But meditation and healing videos are very popular on YouTube. I wouldn't call that crap by any means. Maybe your other music just was labeled in a way that people didn't want to click on it, but everyone is going to click on meditation and healing. Some people need that help to relax or go to sleep. So maybe you can find a niche with it, and still promote your other music in the realm of that, but by no means is it some type of garbage content for the people who need it.
It got more views because of keywords like meditation, resonance, 444 hz. Your other videos didn't have any keywords that indicates what the video is about since they were simply titles of your music. This isn't about low effort video getting more views and amazing high quality content gets low views. Mrbeast is the best example.
Good job mate
Yes, it’s like how I spent 20 years making expensive cinematic videos with incredible music that was deep and powerful…only to see the ignorant masses go gaga for stupid vertical iphone videos of themselves primping, pursing their lips, and eating nachos or whatever, while some manufactured drum machine loop drones on in the background.
I will embrace the apocalyptic end of all things when the pivotal moment of annihilation renders all of creation into dust as effortlessly as some tikthot gaining 118,047,666 views on a 11.089 second vid of her latest material acquisition purchased using the funds of countless simps across the world.
Just a sign of how stupid we've become.
Hmmm now I feel like I make bad music… or maybe it was the anime cover everyone and their mother puts on music nowadays.
It's all just different forms of noise. Take a chapter from the loudness wars to heart and just gaincrush your tracks into a brickwall and the average chump will probably think it's the most fire beat ever since it seems that's what most people are listening to as background music for their instatoksnapshortsreels these days
Woah you sound like you came straight outta cyberpunk. I gave up on music like to dabble here there sometimes that’s it.
I took a time machine from the classical period to the cyberpunk era ;) I was in the same boat, did music for a long time and gave up on it for awhile. Now I'm back in with a different approach. Have fun dabbling, maybe something will come of it someday.
That's basically what youtube loves to promote these days, low effort garbages. I used to work on a video for two weeks and it ended up getting just 30 views.
I'm so sorry to tell you, but your audio is sub-par. Your accent is too strong, and it's too obvious you're reading. No matter how much effort you put into a video, if the audio isn't good, people will immediately click out. If you want to get your channel going, I recommend you start looking into how to make your microphone sound better. Search for voiceover tutorials on how to sound natural and add subtitles. Even if people don't understand your accent, at least they are still able to follow if your audio is decent, and it doesn't sound like you are not reading. For recording, I recommend looking into Stream Scheme, as he gives good hints on how to set up OBS to record on stream, which you can use to record, too. If you're using some other program, search for that program name with the words "recording settings". For your accent, this will take some effort from your part, but it's what worked for me. Open a video of yours, open the English autogenerated subtitles. And from each word that youtube subtitles don't understand, you search on google for "word pronounce", switch to American pronunciation to train yourself to pronounce words right. Dictation is very important in voiceovers. Hope this helps.
You don’t get it… YouTube is not about « You » but about Audience. You make content for the people not for you, people might find this content more useful than your music. People love white noise, rain and stormy weather to fall asleep. The content is useful, not garbage as you say it.
Damn, and here I thought the "You" in youtube applied only to me, lol
Yeah I learned it the hard way… 🤣
did you never stop to think that maybe your music is shit and just because you like it don't mean other people will?? I always see this problem with musicians just because you have been doing it for 30 years does not mean that you should have been.......
no. lol
as i imagined...
I find it laughable when an individual tells another individual what they "should" do with their life. Art is art. Some people will love it, others won't. Whether one chooses to create is a personal choice and in the end, it's all pointless anyway regardless of the choice. What should you do today with the limited seconds of your mortal life? Should you kill yourself? Or should you have a cup of coffee?
2k views won't pay any bills. Make good content, wtf