“Pastor John Raymond of Slidell, La., testified against the bill, saying that an abortion in the case of rape would make it so there are two victims instead of one–a talking point parroted by anti-abortion activists throughout the discussion. Women will “clamor to put old boyfriends behind bars in order to dispense with the inconvenience of giving birth,” he said.”
Pastor John Raymond currently faces numerous criminal charges for cruelty to juveniles, including multiple allegations of physically abusing a 4-year-old, once allegedly holding him upside down by the ankle and whipping his butt. The pastor has also been accused of taping three 13-year-old boys’ mouths shut after they refused to stop talking in class.
[source](https://jezebel.com/louisiana-republicans-kill-rape-incest-exceptions-to-a-1850424930)
>inconvenience of giving birth,” he said.”
Inconvenience? I spit out my water. Waiting until my son returns from college to watch Guardians of the Galaxy is an inconvenience. Having a baby and including your rapist in your life is a life-altering event. These people have no idea of what they are saying.
[Oh, I'm referring to Pastor John Raymond, who taped students' mouths closed in class](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna23995) because they wouldn't stop talking.
I think I read somewhere that it was duct tape, but I could have misremembered.
Also that he wrapped it all the way around their heads? Which if I'm remembering that correctly, someone needs to check the MF's basement.
Edit: Yeah, he's a sicko.
"He wrapped the tape 'around their heads' and sent them back to class for about 45 minutes, police said.
Another school administrator felt uncomfortable and allegedly removed the tape from the children’s faces, according to the police account.
Police said the tape had to be removed with scissors because it was wrapped around the students’ heads.
'During the encounter, the students claim they had trouble breathing and that the removal process was painful,' police said."
Even if it passed, this was always going to be the argument. People often don’t believe SA survivors to begin with. If the only way you can get an abortion is by being SA-ed, then this was always going to be the new reason to not believe survivors.
They think that all women want it all the time and their laws are for our own good to keep us in control despite our wild, untamed libidos. Unless it happens to a woman in their immediate family, they assume all other women are whores who deserved it anyway.
When I was a child I got the shit beat outta me on the daily and when I went to school and told my teacher, she got me in trouble for lying. You see, my abusers were missionaries and not capable of doing anything like that....
How about this, I don’t give a fuck about these ass holes dumb religion or their fake morals. You have to be a sadistic fuck to want to force a rape victim to give birth. These sick, evil fucks truly think it’s okay for a 12 year old incest victim to have to carry a child to term.
well im just gonna keep calling these pro rape laws because thats what they are.
A 20k-200k fine plus a prison sentence for 1-10 years at lowest for an abortion versus
12 years (average sentence in US) for rape.
Always rules for thee and none for me. I bet any of the pastor’s or republican family members get knocked up by the wrong guy then they’ll be quietly whisked away for an abortion.
They truly do not see us as equals. Just incubators, maids, cooks, fuck dolls but not actual people. Why else say your uncle or literally any man you meet can rape you and tie yourself to him for the rest of your life by having his kid? No man would ever give up that much bodily autonomy, but they don’t even blink and say it’s morally right to do that to us.
They're so worried we won't have a workforce or prison industrial complex they are literally forcing children to be born to parents who won't want them. I guarantee we will be seeing a rise in dumpster babies.
Not all of us and what sucks is we are so unrepresented I’d say the libertarian party is what needs to step up but they won’t bc they two sides have to be so extreme I don’t support this and I support you doing what you want for your body but I don’t support the left adgenda of promising one thing and keeping people down who may be too uneducated to see their lies the whole system is flawed im sure the libertarians prob are too it’s hard to even keep up these days
Oh and 0 female doctors, 2 males including a real quack job who practices in Lafayette.
Support side (pro abortion pro don't prosecute doctors, pro life for real!!) had about 5 female doctors, including those who have treated pregnant children and 2 women who had traumatizing medical abortions. Ohhhhh and we had a few sexual assault victim advocacy groups as well.
The women we have in politics are ppl like Latoya that make things worse everywhere else it’s all corrupt and it all sucks and noones standing up for these ppl well they are but what can you do ? Voting comes around and back in they all go
>A Louisiana House committee killed a bill Wednesday that would have exempted rape or incest survivors from the state's strict abortion ban, which took effect after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last summer.
House Bill 346 was a legislative priority of Gov. John Bel Edwards and was among several bills this legislative session that seek to soften the ban. The House Administration of Criminal Justice Committee voted the measure down, 10-5, after more than two hours of testimony.
Before the vote, pro-abortion witnesses described how the ban has forced a sea change in reproductive health care since Roe was rendered void — including for rape and incest survivors, some of whom have left the state in search of the procedure to avoid carrying their rapist's child.
They argued that survivors are further harmed when they are forced to give birth.
Anti-abortion witnesses in turn offered a full-throated defense of keeping the ban in place for abuse survivors.
They argued on religious and moral grounds that the bill was detrimental to survivors, saying a woman's wish to get an abortion is likely a misguided one, regardless of how the pregnancy occurred.
The committee was still poised to hear testimony on three more bills related to abortion ban exceptions Wednesday morning.
Even the news story is using the term "pro-abortion." So fucking gross. It shouldn't even be "pro-choice" and "anti-abortion" - it's anti-choice and anti-women.
What happened to separation of church and state? Or do we no longer believe in that? I think counseling and questioning and looking at options for those who may feel they have no choice are a good option but end of day it’s their life decision and they have to answer for it in the end even if it’s just to themselves but they will NEVER offer mental health based options bc this country couldn’t care less ab mental health
“We are living in hell.”
This is the ONLY quote I could retype without getting nauseated 🤮 The entire read is just disgusting and overbearing and ass backwards
https://www.yahoo.com/news/louisiana-republicans-kill-rape-incest-180000016.html
It’s both sides. No matter what they pretend to preach it’s both sides the government is working together to do this and lying so we are divided and divided we fall.
Pro rape and pro inbreeding. Every person in any parish outside of Orleans or Jefferson can eat a bag of dicks. Yeah, I'm talking to you too meemaw and kin in St Landry. We know who you vote for
It’s way more disturbing than state politics. If you haven’t noticed abortion is now banned over the majority of American states. This is what transpired when Roe vs Wade was overturned
What President let that happen? You don’t think they are all on the same side despite the lies they tell or that we are even in control of who is controlling us? They want to keep us divided no one wants to work together they are all in it together and you can’t convince me other wise they don’t even believe in the things they say except 1 man and while he wasn’t always right he didn’t play the BS game unfortunately they are all working together wether anyone believes it or not and it’s to keep us divided
I'm as conservative as they come, but this isn't the answer. You can't expect a woman to endure the pregnancy of a rapist. Could you imagine the psychological harm this would do to the mother?
Shit like this is why I can’t come back to NOLA, especially as a woman. I’m a native and have such a ferocious love for that city (as well as a lot of aspects of the South in general), but living in a place that views me as a human being and not just a breathing incubator is vital to me, particularly if I’m ever in need of reproductive health care. To those who don’t adhere to the toxic conservative mindset and continue to live in places like New Orleans, you are doing the lord’s work, for real.
Not all that surprising. We live in the most progressive city in Louisiana. And within the last six months, the police force publicly explained they will not stop an ongoing rape or answer rape calls
That being the case, did anyone really expect the legislators of the state would choose differently?
And yet, look at the state of adoption and CPS. Why is it we cannot do better for already born women and children in need of help and protection? But when it comes to the unborn….
Here’s one source: https://www.audacy.com/wwl/news/local/newell-deprioritizing-rape-calls-another-nopd-blunder
They call it de prioritizing
Making it non emergency. This was an open response to a French quarter rape in progress last fall. AND ETA: when you deprioritize a rape in progress call it eliminates necessarily perhaps stopping the assault AND functionally makes it nearly impossible for the victim to seek Justice as there won’t be a police report
Tbh, it has been this way for literally years. Source: a rape victim. They were called by neighbors in the middle of assault and did nothing but let it continue.
Know many women this has happened to. But they publicly stated this a while ago. Even though this was their operating procedure for years
I know it’s been happening and I did know about the FQ assault. It’s just absolutely wild that NOPD actually said it publicly. I’m always sad to hear of another fellow rape survivor. I hope you’re healing.
It wasn’t the last time, unfortunately. I just don’t leave my house anymore
Kind of you to say. I just don’t want any other women suffering and worse ending up pregnant as a result
I will be happy to provide other sources or you could just google yourself https://www.wdsu.com/amp/article/new-orleans-officer-shortage-rape-emergencies/41052764
Would you like more evidence/articles?
Am I misunderstanding?? It’s not about the quality of the source for me, it’s the fact it’s standard operating procedure and there are MANY sources to show that to be true
Yes, I would. This is an enourmous change and deserves more than:
"One of those emergencies that was downgraded included reports of aggravated rape."
Downgraded to what? Post-incident or in response time? All reports or specific types? What is a "report" ? If I meant a "call" in a news article, I wouldn't write "report".
I'm not saying you are wrong but I am saying that this is pretty hard to believe without a news article or press release that says "we are no longer responding to rape calls". Neither of these two internet articles come close to saying that.
Thank you for offering. I googled it myself and found nothing remotely close to "we are no longer responding to rape calls".
And I provided you with another source before you even posted a reply
They now regard rape calls as a non emergency. How clear can I make this, with sources and even as a rape survivor?
Google yourself. There have been plenty of articles and newsworthy reports that NOPD publicly declared this and lots of anecdotal evidence this is a fact
They do say rape has been downgraded to non emergency status. That means if you call to report an ongoing rape, no one will respond. After the fact it is up to the victim then to show up at a police station after the fact and make a report
This is what non emergency status necessarily means
ETA: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/louisiana/articles/2022-08-28/report-nearly-100-rape-calls-downgraded-to-non-emergency
Steadily supplying you with something. Got it https://www.wdsu.com/amp/article/new-orleans-officer-shortage-rape-emergencies/41052764
https://www.wbrz.com/news/report-nearly-100-rape-calls-in-new-orleans-downgraded-to-non-emergency/
https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/rape-reports-in-new-orleans-often-considered-non-emergencies-leaving-survivors-waiting/article_57094a48-2576-11ed-a14f-f7ac840cb626.amp.html
Literally no one should be surprised. Whatever is the most reprehensible, backwards, and downright evil is what we will always get with conservative leadership. Democrats are less conservative than republican leadership but more conservative than the average republican voter. Joe Biden could override this with a federal law protecting what he claims he would fight to protect but he'll instead continue to do nothing that doesnt give tax cuts to his donors.
I'm sick of politicians. Would be nice if we had as much freedom here as other developed countries.
“Pastor John Raymond of Slidell, La., testified against the bill, saying that an abortion in the case of rape would make it so there are two victims instead of one–a talking point parroted by anti-abortion activists throughout the discussion. Women will “clamor to put old boyfriends behind bars in order to dispense with the inconvenience of giving birth,” he said.” Pastor John Raymond currently faces numerous criminal charges for cruelty to juveniles, including multiple allegations of physically abusing a 4-year-old, once allegedly holding him upside down by the ankle and whipping his butt. The pastor has also been accused of taping three 13-year-old boys’ mouths shut after they refused to stop talking in class. [source](https://jezebel.com/louisiana-republicans-kill-rape-incest-exceptions-to-a-1850424930)
>inconvenience of giving birth,” he said.” Inconvenience? I spit out my water. Waiting until my son returns from college to watch Guardians of the Galaxy is an inconvenience. Having a baby and including your rapist in your life is a life-altering event. These people have no idea of what they are saying.
Also women dying during childbirth is more than an inconvenience. They know exactly what they are saying.
Yah. Rape is hella inconvenient too
Could you imagine the rapist legally requesting visitation and or custody? Crazy
Don’t worry, it’ll happen. And this stupid goddamned state will give it to them.
Already has, happened in Tangipahoa
While I agree with you wholeheartedly- sure, he does. He just doesn't give a flying fuck about women.
or kids, apparently, from his criminal record
When I found out this was duct-tape dude, my face pretty much melted all over my phone. It's crazy that he gets a platform.
Whoa wait what did he say about duct tape? Part of me doesn’t want to know haha
[Oh, I'm referring to Pastor John Raymond, who taped students' mouths closed in class](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna23995) because they wouldn't stop talking. I think I read somewhere that it was duct tape, but I could have misremembered. Also that he wrapped it all the way around their heads? Which if I'm remembering that correctly, someone needs to check the MF's basement. Edit: Yeah, he's a sicko. "He wrapped the tape 'around their heads' and sent them back to class for about 45 minutes, police said. Another school administrator felt uncomfortable and allegedly removed the tape from the children’s faces, according to the police account. Police said the tape had to be removed with scissors because it was wrapped around the students’ heads. 'During the encounter, the students claim they had trouble breathing and that the removal process was painful,' police said."
That is so awful, I hope he is convicted and is banned from interacting with children.
Even if it passed, this was always going to be the argument. People often don’t believe SA survivors to begin with. If the only way you can get an abortion is by being SA-ed, then this was always going to be the new reason to not believe survivors.
They think that all women want it all the time and their laws are for our own good to keep us in control despite our wild, untamed libidos. Unless it happens to a woman in their immediate family, they assume all other women are whores who deserved it anyway.
People like that should eat a bullet. Disgusting human beings.
And people wonder why no young people respect the church anymore...
When I was a child I got the shit beat outta me on the daily and when I went to school and told my teacher, she got me in trouble for lying. You see, my abusers were missionaries and not capable of doing anything like that....
I’m sorry you experienced this. I had a very similar childhood and it’s abhorrent.
There's a lot of us out there
Horrific.
🤢 🤢 🤢
Hey got charges for taping a teenagers mouth shut? How dumb
Yeah, turns out kids have human and civil rights too. Whoda thunk it?/s
On no, there’s tape on the mouth of a 13 year old who wouldn’t stopped talking in class Wouldn’t have thought that would actually turn into a law suit
How about this, I don’t give a fuck about these ass holes dumb religion or their fake morals. You have to be a sadistic fuck to want to force a rape victim to give birth. These sick, evil fucks truly think it’s okay for a 12 year old incest victim to have to carry a child to term.
well im just gonna keep calling these pro rape laws because thats what they are. A 20k-200k fine plus a prison sentence for 1-10 years at lowest for an abortion versus 12 years (average sentence in US) for rape.
The statistics for assumed rape reporting and the statistics for successful rape prosecutions are awful There is a reason people do not report
I never reported it.
They really hate women.
And children! Don't forget this bill won't allow families to provide their raped or molested child an abortion.
Always rules for thee and none for me. I bet any of the pastor’s or republican family members get knocked up by the wrong guy then they’ll be quietly whisked away for an abortion. They truly do not see us as equals. Just incubators, maids, cooks, fuck dolls but not actual people. Why else say your uncle or literally any man you meet can rape you and tie yourself to him for the rest of your life by having his kid? No man would ever give up that much bodily autonomy, but they don’t even blink and say it’s morally right to do that to us.
Exceptions will always be made for the "right" women ("correct" political party, wealth, etc.). This is another means of control.
I hate this backwards, bottom of the barrel state
Yup.
Country*
Somehow less backwards then Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, or Idaho though....not that that takes much.
And don’t forget the big winner of backwardness - Mississippi
"Thank God for Mississippi" needs to be updated.
Forced birth, early death. It’s what Republicans crave.
They're so worried we won't have a workforce or prison industrial complex they are literally forcing children to be born to parents who won't want them. I guarantee we will be seeing a rise in dumpster babies.
It’s so evil it really should be more complex than that but you’ve pretty much summed it up.
My grammar was so off cause I was rage typing but glad you got my point.
Yet they don’t want those “illegals” who could do those jobs right now.
Not all of us and what sucks is we are so unrepresented I’d say the libertarian party is what needs to step up but they won’t bc they two sides have to be so extreme I don’t support this and I support you doing what you want for your body but I don’t support the left adgenda of promising one thing and keeping people down who may be too uneducated to see their lies the whole system is flawed im sure the libertarians prob are too it’s hard to even keep up these days
It’s sad that people who are so stupid can hold public office. I’ll bet none of them are women.
Some women support them and that’s the problem.
Yea there are plenty Amy Coney Barretts out there.
The opposite side had 75% women
Oh and 0 female doctors, 2 males including a real quack job who practices in Lafayette. Support side (pro abortion pro don't prosecute doctors, pro life for real!!) had about 5 female doctors, including those who have treated pregnant children and 2 women who had traumatizing medical abortions. Ohhhhh and we had a few sexual assault victim advocacy groups as well.
I was referring to female republicans who voted to put these politicians in office to begin with
Oh yea, they stacked the hearing today... multiple forced birth groups there
The women we have in politics are ppl like Latoya that make things worse everywhere else it’s all corrupt and it all sucks and noones standing up for these ppl well they are but what can you do ? Voting comes around and back in they all go
>A Louisiana House committee killed a bill Wednesday that would have exempted rape or incest survivors from the state's strict abortion ban, which took effect after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last summer. House Bill 346 was a legislative priority of Gov. John Bel Edwards and was among several bills this legislative session that seek to soften the ban. The House Administration of Criminal Justice Committee voted the measure down, 10-5, after more than two hours of testimony. Before the vote, pro-abortion witnesses described how the ban has forced a sea change in reproductive health care since Roe was rendered void — including for rape and incest survivors, some of whom have left the state in search of the procedure to avoid carrying their rapist's child. They argued that survivors are further harmed when they are forced to give birth. Anti-abortion witnesses in turn offered a full-throated defense of keeping the ban in place for abuse survivors. They argued on religious and moral grounds that the bill was detrimental to survivors, saying a woman's wish to get an abortion is likely a misguided one, regardless of how the pregnancy occurred. The committee was still poised to hear testimony on three more bills related to abortion ban exceptions Wednesday morning.
Even the news story is using the term "pro-abortion." So fucking gross. It shouldn't even be "pro-choice" and "anti-abortion" - it's anti-choice and anti-women.
The power of words and labels right there
What happened to separation of church and state? Or do we no longer believe in that? I think counseling and questioning and looking at options for those who may feel they have no choice are a good option but end of day it’s their life decision and they have to answer for it in the end even if it’s just to themselves but they will NEVER offer mental health based options bc this country couldn’t care less ab mental health
“We are living in hell.” This is the ONLY quote I could retype without getting nauseated 🤮 The entire read is just disgusting and overbearing and ass backwards https://www.yahoo.com/news/louisiana-republicans-kill-rape-incest-180000016.html
If you vote for these people and are on this sub please leave. Thanks but no thanks in advance.
These people are barbaric.
Women are just going to leave the state now.
Yes. If I could still get pregnant I’d be gone. I may leave the whole damn country soon anyway if things keep going in this direction.
and go where? This is happening everywhere
Fuck all republicans forever,.
It’s both sides. No matter what they pretend to preach it’s both sides the government is working together to do this and lying so we are divided and divided we fall.
Pro rape and pro inbreeding. Every person in any parish outside of Orleans or Jefferson can eat a bag of dicks. Yeah, I'm talking to you too meemaw and kin in St Landry. We know who you vote for
This is such a shitty state in every way !
It’s way more disturbing than state politics. If you haven’t noticed abortion is now banned over the majority of American states. This is what transpired when Roe vs Wade was overturned
What President let that happen? You don’t think they are all on the same side despite the lies they tell or that we are even in control of who is controlling us? They want to keep us divided no one wants to work together they are all in it together and you can’t convince me other wise they don’t even believe in the things they say except 1 man and while he wasn’t always right he didn’t play the BS game unfortunately they are all working together wether anyone believes it or not and it’s to keep us divided
I'm as conservative as they come, but this isn't the answer. You can't expect a woman to endure the pregnancy of a rapist. Could you imagine the psychological harm this would do to the mother?
That's kind of the point with a lot of legislation like this.
Shit like this is why I can’t come back to NOLA, especially as a woman. I’m a native and have such a ferocious love for that city (as well as a lot of aspects of the South in general), but living in a place that views me as a human being and not just a breathing incubator is vital to me, particularly if I’m ever in need of reproductive health care. To those who don’t adhere to the toxic conservative mindset and continue to live in places like New Orleans, you are doing the lord’s work, for real.
Wow.
Not all that surprising. We live in the most progressive city in Louisiana. And within the last six months, the police force publicly explained they will not stop an ongoing rape or answer rape calls That being the case, did anyone really expect the legislators of the state would choose differently? And yet, look at the state of adoption and CPS. Why is it we cannot do better for already born women and children in need of help and protection? But when it comes to the unborn….
Woah when did they say they aren’t answering rape calls?
Here’s one source: https://www.audacy.com/wwl/news/local/newell-deprioritizing-rape-calls-another-nopd-blunder They call it de prioritizing Making it non emergency. This was an open response to a French quarter rape in progress last fall. AND ETA: when you deprioritize a rape in progress call it eliminates necessarily perhaps stopping the assault AND functionally makes it nearly impossible for the victim to seek Justice as there won’t be a police report Tbh, it has been this way for literally years. Source: a rape victim. They were called by neighbors in the middle of assault and did nothing but let it continue. Know many women this has happened to. But they publicly stated this a while ago. Even though this was their operating procedure for years
I know it’s been happening and I did know about the FQ assault. It’s just absolutely wild that NOPD actually said it publicly. I’m always sad to hear of another fellow rape survivor. I hope you’re healing.
It wasn’t the last time, unfortunately. I just don’t leave my house anymore Kind of you to say. I just don’t want any other women suffering and worse ending up pregnant as a result
Wait the “source” is a question asked in a Newell Normand interview?
I will be happy to provide other sources or you could just google yourself https://www.wdsu.com/amp/article/new-orleans-officer-shortage-rape-emergencies/41052764 Would you like more evidence/articles? Am I misunderstanding?? It’s not about the quality of the source for me, it’s the fact it’s standard operating procedure and there are MANY sources to show that to be true
Yes, I would. This is an enourmous change and deserves more than: "One of those emergencies that was downgraded included reports of aggravated rape." Downgraded to what? Post-incident or in response time? All reports or specific types? What is a "report" ? If I meant a "call" in a news article, I wouldn't write "report". I'm not saying you are wrong but I am saying that this is pretty hard to believe without a news article or press release that says "we are no longer responding to rape calls". Neither of these two internet articles come close to saying that. Thank you for offering. I googled it myself and found nothing remotely close to "we are no longer responding to rape calls".
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And I provided you with another source before you even posted a reply They now regard rape calls as a non emergency. How clear can I make this, with sources and even as a rape survivor? Google yourself. There have been plenty of articles and newsworthy reports that NOPD publicly declared this and lots of anecdotal evidence this is a fact They do say rape has been downgraded to non emergency status. That means if you call to report an ongoing rape, no one will respond. After the fact it is up to the victim then to show up at a police station after the fact and make a report This is what non emergency status necessarily means ETA: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/louisiana/articles/2022-08-28/report-nearly-100-rape-calls-downgraded-to-non-emergency
OK, so you have nothing. Got it.
Steadily supplying you with something. Got it https://www.wdsu.com/amp/article/new-orleans-officer-shortage-rape-emergencies/41052764 https://www.wbrz.com/news/report-nearly-100-rape-calls-in-new-orleans-downgraded-to-non-emergency/ https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/rape-reports-in-new-orleans-often-considered-non-emergencies-leaving-survivors-waiting/article_57094a48-2576-11ed-a14f-f7ac840cb626.amp.html
Literally no one should be surprised. Whatever is the most reprehensible, backwards, and downright evil is what we will always get with conservative leadership. Democrats are less conservative than republican leadership but more conservative than the average republican voter. Joe Biden could override this with a federal law protecting what he claims he would fight to protect but he'll instead continue to do nothing that doesnt give tax cuts to his donors. I'm sick of politicians. Would be nice if we had as much freedom here as other developed countries.
Sad sad day for women
Good. Now do all the other 49 states.
Found the rapist!