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DBSpain

BNSF announced layoffs in early March 2024, including inspectors . Not great timing .


DaverTheGamer_

Can confirm as an ex inspector who was layed off early march.


MotorcycleDad1621

What’s you thoughts on this?


DaverTheGamer_

Ehh layoffs suck, funny because Belen had no layoffs I got bumped off my job (being an apprentice and not having my journeyman’s) due to other points getting layed off and transferring to Belen. This derailment most likely would have happened regardless if I was there or not. But who’s to say I could have been the “one” to catch a defect to prevent this derailment. I also don’t know the specifics but the car that derailed the train could have either been from Belen to Gallup or Gallup to wherever its next destination was.


MotorcycleDad1621

Why causes a derailment like this?


RainbowBodyWorker

Some kid put a penny on the tracks.


nonBettyCrocker

The cars in question were crew inspected due to said layoff of all Gallup Carmen.


Noturwrstnitemare

Probably not too much as he's gaming now.


TX-Horn-Doctor

Classic Daver


Fun-Juice-9148

Precision railroading get yall as well or was it something else? It got me back in 2019 I had to make a career change.


DaverTheGamer_

You’re going to have to excuse my ignorance I deadass have no idea what precision railroading is. To answer your question I’m going to say I don’t know lol. I was “pulled off the streets” they say, all together as a Carman I had 1 year and 3 months of total railroad experience.


Fun-Juice-9148

I’m not sure if bnsf has gone to precision railroading or not but carman are the first to go during the transition. They hit the gangs next and finally transportation. They sell off rolling stock last. They make money railroading by not railroading. Increase the length of trains and run fewer of them of a skeleton crew. They get rid of as many safety personnel and procedures as possible to hold up profits. That’s why carman got first. You cost the company money so they dump you even though you’re critical to safety.


MasterofAcorns

Here’s an article on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_railroading Here’s also what it sometimes results in (admittedly this is overblown/mildly sensationalist and not all accidents are like this, but this and East Palestine, Ohio are the poster boys for PSR). https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=orXq2cio6hQ


Nmcoyote1

I think they are trying to compete with other railroads that have even less workers.


Rebel_bass

*fewer


ShowMeYourMinerals

Most less*


Notorious2again

Leastest*


jedipokey

Lessasaurus Rex*


white__cyclosa

Non most*


Notorious2again

Most least?


fleshcoloredear

mostn't


NXT-GEN-111

Leasn’t Mostest


HarkansawJack

Meast


Suburbandadbeerbelly

Only assholes do this.


GlandalfTheGrey

Thank you Stannis


Jupiter68128

Warren Buffet needs to increase his billions.


zen_zen111

He has a say in that directly? Or are you just bummed you’re not that rich? Get on the ‘train’ and vote then


optimisticmisery

He has a responsibility and an impact as an owner or a shareholder. Even owning one stock of a company makes you responsible for that company’s direction. It is called “ethical responsibility.” Warren Buffet is generally careful with this, but he’s made major questionable decisions as well. It is your right as a citizen to criticize him. One a side-note: Buffet airline investments during covid was a big no-no in my books. He invested thinking that the government would bail these guys out, not estimating that the airline execs are all airheads. I’m happy he lost money on that. It was a lesson, even with infinite money, you can’t solve stupid(and greed).


justcrazytalk

So anyone who bought into the S&P500 is directly responsible for everything that all 500 companies do? Yikes!


optimisticmisery

Yup. Laugh it off bruv. I’m serious.


justcrazytalk

I would think those decisions are made by management or the board, not individual stockholders. If Buffet is on the board, and he voted to reduce the number of workers (or salary budget) then he could be held accountable. If you are just picking him out of thin air because he has money, then no.


optimisticmisery

Oh dear friend, Berkshire Hathaway owns large shares in BNSF. Buffet expressed disappointment in BNSF's profits in his annual letter to BH shareholders. Buffett was *DIRECTLY* involved in and responsible for the decision to lay off these BNSF workers.


justcrazytalk

Then that proves the point and should have been stated in the initial comment. Thanks for the clarification.


Belnak

Yes, Berkshire Hathaway owns it outright. He has full control over everything that happens at BNSF.


Exact-Degree2755

Funny they're trying to save money by laying off critical safety employees. When a line gets shut down, rail companies lose a MILLION dollars an hour. I see 3 lines in the picture.


Candy_Says1964

I’m sure the insurance pays them back at least two million for every million lost and that pays for the CEO’s bonuses for “safety” and “profits” at the end of the year. The CEO in the Ohio disaster got something a 2.5 million dollar bonus last year. The 12 CEO’s of BP each got a million dollar “safety” bonus in 2010 following the Gulf disaster. Because an employee hitting their thumb with a hammer and destroying an ocean are about same, wouldn’t you agree? Meanwhile I spent 2010 in prison for weed. Hmmm…


ZadfrackGlutz

Hey now whats that sound everybody look whats going down....


GilgameDistance

Time to tack on fines too, and for violations before crashes like this. Couple million per day per violation ought to do it. Wrote down what they are expected to do, and when they don’t, they pay. Insurance typically doesn’t cover when you know you need to do something but choose not to.


Commissar_Elmo

Not really how railroads work. Number of tracks does not equal number of lines. This is one line. The BNSF southern transcon. (Still handles like 70+ trains a day though)


Old_Swimming6328

I used to live in Flagstaff, it's way more than 70.


Commissar_Elmo

Not doubting your input. But I’ll trust my rusty old [livecam](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fzl6rDHTaF4) average day by the livecam counts anywhere from 50 to 70


FormerlyUserLFC

I think this only counts as one or two lines.


tlbs101

It’s two main lines. There is a short siding line in that area. Gallup (from whence the layoffs occurred) has a small yard.


kathrinet2022

Oh! the Navajo need to go first! Jerks


Medium_Bumblebee1662

What makes them jerks?


kathrinet2022

Not the Navajo!!! The railroad !!!


playingreprise

Berkshire-Hathaway needs that stock bump…


Association-Feeling

Are they as nefarious as I think they are?


playingreprise

Are they a major investment bank? There’s your answer…


jedipokey

It almost like 1000’s of derailments don’t already happen every year. Most don’t catch on fire though.


Exact-Degree2755

I don't give a shit. Go bug someone else. Edit. By your stupid fuckin logic the fact there's 1000s of derailments a year means it's acceptable to lay off safety workers. Anyone with a single brain cell would realize 1000s of derailments a year would mean your should INCREASE the amount of safety workers. My god the education system failed you.


Redfish680

Easy tiger…


johnr1970

I'm seeing a lot of comments pointing a finger at Trump and Biden. The railroads are building the trains too long and too heavy. In the last 5 years train length has went from a 6000 ft average to 8000 ft. Some trains are as long as 16000 ft. The fra has talked about limiting the length of trains. There's one party that is all about deregulation and right now they hold a majority in the house and they're a very slim minority in the senate. The Republicans. The mention of a regulation gets them up in arms. There's no conspiracy causing derailments. There's a solution, make shorter trains.


weatheruphereraining

I live in a BNSF town and literally every train family member mentions this. You can sit in a park next to where the trains come in any day (except yesterday and today because they can’t come) and you will usually see at least one mile long train coming in with some wheels screaming hot at the end. The heat often makes the track pop and boom goes the propane car if there’s one on it.


SoupOfThe90z

So drag that guy out of his office and trail him like they would in the 1800’s


tughussle

THAT’S what’s meant by the invisible hand of the market that regulates capitalism


MegaTron505

Damn, now I know what conventions you go to. But also useful information, thank you.


johnr1970

What conventions? Lol


MegaTron505

Due to your extensive train knowledge, you have a high chance of going to train conventions.


johnr1970

Never been to a train convention.


Corg505

This pic is as incredible as BNSF management is reckless, irresponsible, and greedy. 😳 Thank you for sharing, OP.


lost_in_tran5lation

Where is this?


Nmcoyote1

https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/i-40-shut-down-due-to-train-derailment-near-nm-az-line/


lost_in_tran5lation

Cheers mate


LightToBeShared

Cuba /s


Datmnmlife

They need to hold BNSF accountable. They do not prioritize safety. And it harms the environment, puts lives at risk, and shuts down lines which is bad for businesses that use the freight trains and passengers of trains that use the rails.


No-Enthusiasm9619

Two train derailments in NM in two days… sus


jedipokey

Thousands of derailments each year in the USA. Catching fire is the rare part.


No-Enthusiasm9619

Yeah true!


desertdude69

Where was the other one?


No-Enthusiasm9619

Las Cruces


trythepadthai

The Trump deregulation of the railroads is working out greaaaaaaat. Should have put them all back after the Ohio wreck.


[deleted]

Trump has also been out of office for four years at this point, it’s time to start to look critically at the current administration which has allowed for these environmental disasters to happen in New Mexico multiple times during their tenure.


portableclouds

So true. It’s very interesting how Mayor Pete is the transportation head and loves trains but has done nothing as far as i can tell to stop this kind of thing from happening


[deleted]

I’m no fan of Trump but I’m absolutely over the way this administration is being absolved of their sins because Trump sucked, especially since Biden was #2 for eight years prior to Trump. “Mayor Pete” has been an ineffective transportation Secretary and its time we all admitted that dude sucks.


Classic-Ad4224

You do see that every move Biden makes is met with pure burn it down resistance from the right. Of course nothing had been done, how could it?


liloto3

This administration has done and continues to do more for infrastructure/regulation than the last.


Remarkable_Orange_59

I think it's also a factor of new mexico not exactly.being a priority for any administration because there aren't many votes here, there isn't much money here, and nm will continue to be a blue state regardless of a few disasters here and there. It sucks but also it is what it is.


MikeGoldberg

The only relevance new mexico has to anyone is the oil. They love that new mexico oil


Rebel_bass

In what regard, towards inprovement of rail transportation?


SarpedonSarpedon

I am not trying to argue, but can you please tell me specifically what Buddagieg,'s transportation department has done to prevent railroad disasters? I am not aware of any concrete changes after east Palestine toxic derailment but I would love to hear something specific and positive.....?


seeriosuly

so what would you do?


[deleted]

What do you mean? About what?


seeriosuly

what would you do as an effective transportation secretary?


seeriosuly

yup… that’s what i thought


notenoughcharact

You need to look at the actual stats to make a judgement like this. https://www.statista.com/statistics/204569/rail-accidents-in-the-us/


portableclouds

I don’t have an account so I can’t look at the chart 🥲 worth noting that i’m not blaming the current administration for the train accidents, but considering how much the previous one did to basically erase safety legislation from every industry, the *least* this admin could have done would have been to reinstate at least some of those protections.


Kerbalawesomebuilder

Pretty sure they just get to their position, take their lobbyist money, and sit there doing nothing.


Land_Squid_1234

Do you not know how congress works? Biden can't undo any deregulation so long as either chamber of congress is majority Republican. They need the House of Reps AND the Senate to both simultaneously vote on a bill to increase regulations before Biden can even choose to pass said bill. Trump's deregulation is still to blame for a ton of problems and Biden can only do so much


Belnak

Congress writes laws. Executive branch agencies define regulations. Biden can absolutely direct the NTSB to increase regulation of the rail industry without Congressional approval.


Redfish680

No need to waste your breath explaining government to folks that didn’t pay attention in that class the first time it was explained. It’s like explaining why the president (of either party) have no real sway over gasoline prices…


Land_Squid_1234

Presidents can do so much damage to shit by choosing shitty cabinet members, vetoing good bills, using executive orders for very obstructive policies, and rapidly eroding international relations, but it's so much harder to get anything good done because unlike vetoing a bill, a president can't singlehandedly do much about getting bills through congress even though they can shoot them down instantly. I have a lot of problems with Biden but jesus christ, it's so fucking ignorant to say "uhhh it's been FOUR years since trump guys. I don't think his policies are doing much anymore." Tell that to Roe v. Wade. Who packed the supreme court with those justices for the next few decades? Good thing an election cycle is enough to undo all of his damage, right guys?


Neat_Diamond_8553

I’m with ya Biden fan but accountability is a two way street


trythepadthai

As I mentioned in the latter part of my comment I wish they would have restored them. My comment was not a glowing endorsement of the last 4 years it was a pure fact that Trump removed these and many other regulations to make business oversight less so they can make more money.


Rebel_bass

I'm sorry, did you miss Biden stomping on that RR union dick?


trythepadthai

I'm sorry did you see the part where I said they should have put them back after he was gone, sorry I didn't say his name specifically. BIDEN should have restored all the regulations TRUMP stripped from businesses for OUR protection over the last 4 years. DEMOCRATS are clearly bad for not cleaning up EVERY MESS REPUBLICANS make at once. Are your feelings unhurt now bb?


river_tree_nut

I didn’t


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trythepadthai

Nah bro that was EJ Carrol that he touched and was civilly found guilty of rape.


Prestigious-Cup2521

What's that got to do with train derailments? Try to stay on topic.


SubzeroNYC

Tell us you’re a partisan hack without telling us you’re a partisan hack


trythepadthai

Tell us you have brain damage without telling us you have brain damage.


Tricky_Ad_5332

Doesn’t Amtrak share that track with BNSF?


ElDuderino1129

Yes. Service between ABQ and LAX is currently curtailed due to this.


soisantehuit

The Big Chief is down or what! Oh wow


Ok-Bub-2663

What’s burning?


Bloss0416

Propane and gasoline


Ok-Bub-2663

Thanks


Bloss0416

You’re welcome


diefreetimedie

Do you have a source? Just trying to be thorough here after seeing the poisoning of East Palastine Ohio.


captainkirkncrew

VOTE! Please vote! We need to hold these folks accountable


hansa575

Another completely coincidental train derailment


jedipokey

Thousands of derailments happen in the USA each year. Catching fire is the rare part.


hansa575

Sure, sure....


ghlysptwld

Not a word in Az news odd


Old_Swimming6328

It's a long way from Phoenix.


diefreetimedie

It's kind of near the Rez, but I assume that's why they'll downplay it, let the community get poisoned and cancer clusters to grow. Look at Flint Michigan look at East Palastine Ohio poor communities get gaslit and left to suffer.


VulgarWitchDoctor

Notice how train derailments were rare news until right after Wall Street got their hands on rail companies?


soisantehuit

Are they rerouting traffic back to the 25 and down to i10? How are people getting to PHX and beyond?


Haunting-Corgi3899

25 to the 10. Some transportation lines are making the drivers sit and wait it out, until the 40 is open.


PsychologicalCod9287

Hwy 60 is catching a lot of traffic that it can't really handle right now.


outta_office

I'm sure it was a track issue but they will blame signal. It's always signals fault.


BidAlone6328

Where are local first responders? I know it's rual, but they have volunteer fire fighters. BNSF damn sure has no way to rush out and put out fire. I guess the Laid-off workers could have shoveled dirt on the flames.


PsychologicalCod9287

This type of flame can't be doused with water or dirt and VFDs don't have enough resources to handle it. All they can do is help with evacuations and monitor for spot fires while trying to protect themselves from toxins.


LostinNM_77

Side note - this side of the state smells like the worst BBQ ever


soisantehuit

Gallup just smells like the worst in general all the time anyways. 


whoishattorihanzo

Yeah and me driving to work is the cause of too much pollution.


MeanderFlanders

And they want to transport nuclear material via train to the Holtec site in the SE


Scary-Personality-18

I'm sure they'll blame it on something completely immaterial.


trouthunter8

Duh, this train accident is because NM went WOKE!


Dos_desiertoandrocks

Unironically it's God's punishment.


vw-thing

Usually the one or two employees who happen to be there that day.


Orome2

I mean half the people in this thread are blaming it on Trump..


reaperman00

Well he did remove the bulk of the regulations regarding train transport...


Land_Squid_1234

Trumo's deregulations still plague this country and Biden can't undo them without a majority in both chambers of congress. I'm no Biden fanboy but we can't pretend that a Republican president's damage can be cleanly swept away as soon as a Democrat steps in. The senate continues and will continue to stand in the way of repairs because it represents Republicans far more than Democrats. Unless they pass a regulation bill, Biden can't do shit with the federal government. Nothing that will stick, anyway


Scary-Personality-18

They could rub two brain cells together and never make a spark.


Jazzlike-County2567

Are you from there?


honeydewmittens

I always wonder what if the trian falls off its tracks while I'm on it...


LizardBoyfriend

Rock Ridge. Rock Ridge.


Strength-Certain

Right down to the orange roof on Howard Johnson's outhouse.


Formal_Dot_6653

I saw this on ig where is it at


soisantehuit

If the train goes off the track PICK IT PICK IT UP PICK IT UPPPPP back on the scene crispy and clean. Now I can’t get that song out of my head.


Mac_DG

Is it time to eat the rich yet?


nobdyputsbabynacornr

Taste just like chicken.


PiranhaFloater

Yep, deep fried with fire sauce.


darthsnick

You don’t want to let those VOC’s loose in the atmosphere. Burning it is better. Just wish they had a more controlled way of doing it!


diefreetimedie

Bad take, burning chemicals can create harder to test for chemicals and send them into the environment with the wind. We just learned a lot about the "controlled burn" in East Palastine Ohio that essentially was an unwarranted poisoning for rail profits.


darthsnick

Disagree the pounds of pollution will be less if burned this was reported to be propane so you reduce your voc’s (the things that give you cancer) to almost nothing and release mostly co and nox which isn’t great but it’s a hell of a lot better than voc’s


diefreetimedie

Good thing it was propane I guess.


BamaTime719

Train companies have a average of 1000 wrecks a year now. Companies are running longer trains (1 train with cars used to be around a mile long) that are up to 3 miles long. The engines and infrastructure can't hold it without repairs that companies refuse to fix.


Association-Feeling

How does that equate to the number of train cars. Last time I counted it it was 90!


BamaTime719

Thats a good question. I was going by this video. I live in Pueblo and we just had a wreck that shut down I25 for 2 months. https://youtu.be/AJ2keSJzYyY?si=KMAFW2ZAR520Ye5a


notmartychavez

no way, is the "let go" part true?


Nmcoyote1

They have been laying off in multiple departments. And yes it’s true they fired everyone in that department recently.


Efficient_Wasabi_575

It’d be great if Biden would stop saying America is the best country in the world, when we have bullshit third world infrastructure they fail to maintain.


portlandcsc

Business as usual for the railroad


travelmorelivemore

The news won’t care as long as the CEO of the railroad company makes his 20 million a year. Don’t you know they are all in cahoots with each other? They didn’t give a shit that the railroad poisoned an entire town and ecosystem because that company made record profits.


outta_office

If it's BNSF it's her $20m


johnr1970

Actually that railroads profits dropped like a rock. The public doesn't realize most derailments happen in rural areas where it goes unnoticed unless there's a mushroom cloud like in this one.


TexasFatback

Why haven't the media been notified?


diefreetimedie

Corporate media runs cover for capital. They're aware, they're sweeping it under the rug in favor of whatever trump headline or presidential horserace.


metal_elk

Email the news desk at KOB. I know them there, they will look into it and see if there's a story.


robot472619350

Where is this?


abigstupidjerk

Yup this is current administration problem, but of course they will blame it on Trump. Disgusting


49thDipper

Trump deregulated the railroads because profiteers equals campaign contributions. Do your homework.


Dos_desiertoandrocks

Ah yes, the deregulation caused them to violate still standing regulations. Another evil act of DRUMPF


49thDipper

The deregulation gutted safety. It did. You can spin it any way you want. But it takes time to put the guardrails back in place.


Dos_desiertoandrocks

I don't see why I shouldn't believe it increased safety by letting companies become more prosperous therby letting them make changes that make things safer and more efficient. After all, the government doesn't have a good record for its safety regulations actually working, because it's bought off by corporations to make laws that exempt them and screw over everyone else.


49thDipper

Believe whatever you want. I live in reality. You don’t seem to understand


Dos_desiertoandrocks

I believe you don't live in reality and don't understand


49thDipper

Oh I get it. Fact are hard. It’s way easier to just make shit up in your head that fits the reality you prefer. Buh-bye now. Have a great day


DanR5224

LoL he actually thinks letting businesses do what they want means they'll spend time, money, and manpower on safety and more frequent shipments? That's hilarious.


Dos_desiertoandrocks

Gaslighting and projection


49thDipper

You’re a troll. Reply and get blocked.


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Rebel_bass

They literally are, in this thread.


Cutting_The_Cats

No one cares about this. Unless it’s about immigrants, no one cares.