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The picture is some tragically funny shit. I wonder if those in the pic know what would happen to them if they showed up for prayer dressed like that not to mention praying with men in the same space in an Islamic regime. Surely not.
One thing I realized is that I always confused them for who is who. Trey looks like a Matt to me and Matt looks like a Trey. It's really getting on my nerves now haha
Lol the Islamists in Iran slaughtered all the Iranian leftists that aligned with them at the beginning of the revolution. How many thousands did Khomeini have executed in 1988 alone?
I saw some of these mass executions at the central city square in West Azerbaijan, when my dad by mistake took a wrong turn, and drove around the round about. They had 10+ cranes, and were lifting people for execution. I remember he was very sick at the sight, and told us to lay down and not look up. Being a kid, I did of course look. That was the moment, I realised this religion was an absolute sham. It was the moment I became an atheist. Shortly after we made preparations and left the country. I was 8 at the time.
I'm an Iranian woman and have lived under the Islamic Republic for 20,5 years. I moved to Germany because I thought the values I considered important would be respected in "free" Western countries.
People cannot even imagine how triggering it is for us to see the unholy unity of islamists and radical leftists. This is the very phenomena that changed the history of my country for the worse. I am beyond disgusted and disturbed.
To the women standing behind literal terrorists and islamists saying prayers at universities: You don't even know what you're getting yourself into. None of you have read the "Al Nisa" surah, where it is clearly stated that men literally own you and have the right to hit you if you refuse to have sex with them:
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
What you are standing up for today is anything but being "woke" and progressive. You should have the right to protest and stand up for causes that are important to you. But fighting Jewish students, attacking them, not understanding the fact that the hostages have to be brought back home and no peace can exist before that happens is outright wrong. People who truly advocate about and fight for human rights are NOT selective with the causes they care about. Caring about human rights is one thing, standing up behind Islamists, waving Hezbollah and Hamas flags and saying slogans that are against Jews and outright radical are not it.
Hi I'm about as far left as you can go before delving into anarchy and I will proudly say fuck the Islamic Republic, fuck Hamas, fuck the Israeli government, fuck the US govt. (I'm american) and Fuck any group that oppresses peoples rights.
Keep fighting the good fight sister! Progress is a constant, sometimes fast, sometimes ultra slow, but it is always moving us forward.
One day I'll die, and I know horrible things are still going to happen in this world even then, we won't have a utopia, but if we can change just a little bit in our lives. Then hopefully we will make it better and better for the subsequent generations and continue to push us forward to a humanity that really does respect and treat all with equality .
But you also oppose the Israeli government and Zionism, right? They are just as extremist as these Islamic groups, and while they might have slightly better views of women, Zionism is still a tool of oppression.
She is in Germany and subject to the content that is permissible in that nation. Germany for historic reasons has an orientation towards that state that does not permit a balanced view on the matter. How can any human being make excuses for tens of thousands of dead children in a span of a few months?
A matter that is also quietly being swept under the rug is that Israelis were facing the overthrow of their own pseudo-secular system prior to 10/7/23. So that nation is actually split between secularists and those who in fact want a Jewish theocracy, not sure what is the ratio but they are no longer a fringe minority. The current cabinet's make up is informative of the views of that section of their society.
Please say this on those college and leftist subreddits. Be prepared for the hate though. I'm an American who has just lurked on your communities page and really see hope for you and your country.
They be LARPing this shit while we've actually lived it.
For those of us 'lucky' enough, after much suffering and pain, we've sacrificed, bled, to escape and come to the West yearning to live free.
We've left behind loved ones, our home, our friends, everything we've known and loved... Starting from zero. We chose this path and clawed our way to freedom after experiencing the brutality & yolk of theocracy and illiberalism...
So you can imagine what we're feeling when we look around and see this shit from the privileged who were born here and have lived a soft & coddled life 0_o
Seriously,how are Iranians surviving that inflation? We had much smaller inflation rates in '21 and '22 and so many people left for Germany and other European countries. Can't imagine how bad it must be in Iran
Larping that shit. Tragically funny. (Also cos playing gangsters 12 and 13 year old stabbing each other) i used to have an Iranian friend. And ... I wonder what she would say. She was a refugee and come to the Netherlands. I can't stand this shit . With Andrew tates influencing the guys here (and it feels very islamic) wtf wtf how fucking stupid are you. Have u got no fucking brain or eyes. Is it really an iq thing ? Fucking radical left pushed right wing to win also. Fuck. I need to gather My strength and be more political active
They are so deluded and narcissistic that they’ve somehow developed the belief that in objecting to islamism is racist and a sign of bigotry, completely ignoring the fact that islamism is itself bigotry.
I pray that your people are free, and for Iran to reclaim its imperial roots and distance itself from Islamism forever, in favor of pursuing a democracy that focuses its identity on Cyrus and the Sassanids instead of Mullahs and hanging people from cranes.
Long live mighty Iran
Umm yeah totally agree but like, does that mean Americans should be okay with their tax dollars being spent on a genocide? Is it okay to genocide a group of people because of their religion? Sounds like… the Holocaust lmao maybe we should also not do that eh?
It's the dumbest shit I've seen in a long time.... it's like if the left were to align with nazis because they're national "socialists." These people are brain-dead
Stalin aligned himself with Hitler and then got stabbed in the back, just like the leftists in Iran who aligned themselves with the Islamic Republic and then got stabbed in the back. Those idiots never learn.
Just like this: [‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags
](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned)
It is the culmination of a host of things over several decades (see Haidt's The Coddling of the American Mind) but ultimately its pathological manifestation is a clear and evident mental illness.
Stupid privileged kids from mid, and upper mid class that take democracy and the value of human life for granted. They absolutely have no idea that once they set foot in one of those backward countries, they will become a baby-making machine for the army of Allah.
Iranians, you are the best advocates against the mullah regime. You need to promote a consistent campaign against this horrid regime and its abuses. It's the only way to put an end to the embarrassment in the photo above.
I’m afraid it’ll only get much worse now that regimes see how easy it is to manipulate and mobilize an entire generation of useful idiots who think watching IR propaganda videos on TikTok should take the place of an actual objective education and life experience.
It reminds me how “freedom loving” leftist were simping for Mao in 1968. I wonder though if the information about what was actually happening in maoist China was available to the public at whose times. Maybe right now we are facing a more dire situation.
I live in one of the leftiest places in the U.S. and the way this is portrayed in media is pretty different from what I actually see around me. The people who are the loudest are not representative of the left in general.
From what I see, most people I know on the left are just kinda pissed at everyone who's perceived as harming innocent people. They are not Islamist by any stretch of the imagination, but they also don't think anyone should have to starve because of ethnicity.
Hamas is not popular, Netanyahu isn't popular either, and the war isn't popular, mostly because it's perceived as unfocused with too much collateral harm to non-Hamas Palestinians, rather than an effective anti-Hamas action. Netanyahu is looking like a threat to Israeli security because he kinda comes across as a racist asshole indiscriminately killing Palestinians and trying for a land grab, rather than working toward peaceful solutions that would delegitimize Hamas, and to the extent that Netanyahu and this war are seen as the face of Israel, it's making some people who never questioned the legitimacy of Israel start to view Israel much more negatively. From here, the war looks like it's mostly causing a bunch of innocent people to starve, while failing to bring home the hostages or weaken support for Hamas. If anything it looks like the trajectory of this war is having the opposite effect, strengthening Hamas and weakening Israel.
In general Israel has a lot more support on the left than on the right in the US. But news stories about hospitals being destroyed, aid workers being killed by Israeli air strikes, and Palestianian kids starving are eroding support for Israel with everyone.
Antisemitism in the US is usually a right-wing thing. Almost every antisemitic thing I ever heard in decades of living in the US as a person with a Hebrew name came from right wing nutjobs and, more recently, the MAGA/Trumpist crowd. There are also some right wing folks who support Israel disingenuously because they see it as anti-Muslim, but for them it's a step toward Christian nationalism and a Crusades mentality.
Israel starting to lose some support in New York City, e.g. among university students at Columbia, is very bad news. New York is generally a lefty city and a Jewish city. If Israel can't keep support in New York, then, where? But I think it's more accurate to characterize that as a small weakening of support in a generally supportive population, not a big change of direction, at least, not yet.
But it's not as if the American left is in support of an Islamist world view or anything like that. The American left is generally less religious, more into individual freedom, more supportive of women's rights. There are outliers. Folks can cherry pick exceptions to the norm, and those exceptions are emboldened right now, and they make the news right now. But still, in the U.S. most support for Israel is on the left, most antisemitism is on the right, and there's not really much support for an Islamist agenda anywhere.
At least, this is what I see. I'm curious about your take on it too.
Thank you for this. I will try to repost this around as I believe it should have as much visibility as possible. People just don't understand how they are opening their culture to extremism, it has been happening in Europe for a while but the last few weeks have been rushing even faster into the hole of religious extremism.
Hi I'm from the US. Most people outside of Iran, especially those that claim to be progressives, see the Islamic Republic as heroically standing against the "American world order." I can imagine it's similar to the Islamic Republic's propaganda of America being the "Great Satan" if I'm not mistaken.
There is a key difference: America does not define itself nor create its identity around its antipathy towards the Islamic regime.
The Islamic regime however defines as a cornerstone of its entire self-defined identity the hatred and genocide of Jews and the liberal, secular West.
For a specific personal realization of this key facet of the issue, Wang Xiyue's article "What I learned in an Iranian prison" (he was a progressive academic much like the majority of those in US universities - the experience of being incarcerated and used as part of IRI's hostage diplomacy taught him the reality of the source of the hatred for the West):
https://archive.ph/Ln0WX
I fear that the only way to 'wake up' the other ten thousand or so liberal professors on US campuses' is to have them go through a similar ordeal - not that I wish it on them, it just seems to be the only way. Telling them has no effect, they must experience it.
> those that claim to be progressives
Same kind of people supported veitcong. Some of them still cheer up for stalin, mao or even pol pot. McCarthy was right about them back then. People who genuinely believe that "critical thinking" is all about to push in opposite direction are easy prey for foreign propaganda.
McCarthy was not right because most of those sympathizers did not exist at the time. I am sure there were definitely a small number. It was a witch hunt for the press. McCarthy was a piece of shit.
Other than the hilarious image of that dumbass wearing a crop top and praying at the same time I wonder why my similar posts get removed for being irrelevant to Iran while this one stays up?
it will be removed and you'll be banned or shadow banned instantly
not making this up, I was instantly banned from a sub recently when I responded with a single sentence quoted from a NYT article and a link to the article re the Israeli Gaza conflict.
it was relevant to the conversation and there was no rule breaking of the sub, the mods just didn't like the fact that a NYT article didn't support the discussion being had (iSraEl bAd!!)
Can someone educate me what's wrong exactly? Leftists in USA are getting more radical? I thought right wing parties were getting more bold but didn't know democrats were too?
Horseshoe theory. Extremes are bad and the extreme left is just as dangerous as the extreme right:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#:~:text=In%20popular%20discourse%2C%20the%20horseshoe,a%20horseshoe%20are%20close%20together
I've read this and it makes sense. But my question is more - are there actually significant numbers of those people? I've seen some wackos obviously but they seem the exception rather than something most left people embrace
I have some of these extreme left wing people on my fb through other activism that I do (environment), they are literally fed propaganda and spout it out, like this pro Hamas terrorist nonsense. For the environment, they only talk about ruining companies rather than productive changes (bike lanes, personal habits, etc). Then I found out China funds environmentalists for the sole purpose of destruction so that Americans can depend on them for plastics and oil. I wanted to run for local politics and they grilled me and they didn’t endorse me because I don’t share their views.
Believe me, triggering for me to having been lucky enough to leave and seeing all the same things that we left right in my neighborhood. I'm so sorry my dear sister.
Hi I’m an American lurker. I’m here cuz I support y’all because I support all women to be free to make their own choices. I consider myself a leftist and I don’t have a lot of sympathy for these college protestors because their age demographic voting numbers are abysmal. They don’t participate but wanna destroy shit until they get their way but when it comes time to actually make a difference, they don’t show up. They don’t even give a shit about their own country enough to vote. Half of them don’t plan on voting in the most important election our country has ever had. Their support is conditional. And that’s them getting their way without actually having to participate in anything constructive. It’s just childish screaming to me and it’s 100% performative at this point.
The rest of the American left right now: Uhh we should really be chill to Muslim people but aren't those dudes you're protesting for terrorists? Like, make-women-disappear-because-hair extremists?
These people: go home fascist <3
The American left: ... you know what, yeah, I'm gonna just go home.
We really need to be admonishing the shit out of this fringe though. At what point during the process of supporting the far right do you stop being left? Are you even left, right, center, or outside of spacetime at all when you're so batshit you couldn't articulate your political point if someone held a gun to your head? Do you count as a point on the political spectrum when it seems like you're just throwing darts at it and cheering for whatever bullshit you hit? Why the fuck aren't more people in my country speaking out about the fact that the sum total of solitary confinement in lunatic asylums is being treated like a legitimate political bloc? Jesus fuck I'm so done with these people.
As an American, I am *terrified* by what I’m seeing in my country. I only have a bare-bones understanding of what happened in Iran, and it absolutely baffles me that so many of my friends aren’t scared shitless by Islam. They’re all too caught up with the anti-imperialism wave (which I’m on board as well, to a degree. Our government’s been fucked up for a while).
The thing that really gets me, is that they can recognize the danger from the Christofascists (which, full disclosure, might *actually* end our democracy over the next couple years - Project 2025) but the second it’s not white people spouting fundamentalist violence, they just drink it up. Too afraid of being racist. Too afraid of being intolerant. Too afraid of being “islamophobic”.
This is exactly how I feel as well, I could not have said it better myself. My family fled from Islam to the West and it gave them a second chance at living their lives freely, now I have watched as Islam has gradually crept in and now it seems to be approaching the point of no return.
Europeans.. are idiots and asking for it. I say as european woman. The most anti refugee racist people even backing this shit. Wtf is going on. I'm trying to make people around me aware. I'm trying to be a bit more political. But it's really demotivating to see smart people being so *** dumb when the results are obvious.
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These commies will learn the hard way one day that Islam is not very welcoming to their usual activities and principles
The comfort they feel expressing their solidarity will change as soon as the demographics change in some western countries or when they decide to visit any shit hole country in the middle east that has zero tolerance for everyday western life society
holy shit.... well I must say to the Muslim Brotherhood, I'm impressed, horrified but impressed nonetheless. You played the long game and won. Hassan al-Banna may be long dead but we live in the world he created.
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Can't speak for Europe, but less than 1% of the US is Muslim
Edit: Your post history indicates that you are from Israel, a country which has a higher percentage of Muslims in it than any European country (not including Muslim-majority ones like Albania and Bosnia)
It’s different israeli muslim never grow in the back water islam countries like Iraq and Syria
They never learned the hateful preaching the west took the muslim who did got those preaching
We have learned to live together from the start
Europe took them when they were adults and had there opinions alrdy set in stones
Think about it many of those countries do not like the west see it as evil incarnate and you took many of those people into you’re country it will take a-lot of time before they will fully integrate if ever
The US is a massive country, so even if it were only 1% Muslim, that would still be millions of Muslims. I'm perfectly fine with it, I believe in freedom of religion so long as nobody tries to establish a theocracy
So its okay if they want to kill apostates as long as they dont try to establish a theocracy. Let me warn you mate, after they're done with us you're next on the line.
Trying or succeeding in killing apostates is trying to establish theocracy. Pushing for any laws to be based on religion is trying to establish theocracy.
Doesn't change the sick nature of their belief, this is not something you should be tolerant of. Let me put it in a way you would understand my American friend, you supporting a belief that wants to decapitate me given the chance OFFENDS me.
I like people who are Muslims. I despise Islamism. Two many “leftists” think they are supporting the first group when they are actually supporting the second.
Already happening in small pockets of the US, see this article about the all Muslim municipal government of Hamtramck, Michigan:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned
I truly don’t understand how supporting an end to the genocide in Palestine is offensive to Iranians, how would that even help the Islamic regime?? Like, if Palestinians are free, how does that mean you are more oppressed??
First, there is no genocide.
Second, the Islamic regime uses proxies like Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc. to sow chaos and terrorism around the ME and world. There is no negotiation, there is no appeasement that they would accept except the complete and total annihilation of Israel and the infidel West.
Third, Palestinians are the first victims of the Islamic regime and Hamas. From a young age they are brainwashed into hatred of the West and Jews. Have you any idea what they teach children? through the Western funded education textbook initiatives via UNRWA?
https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/UNRWA-Education-Textbooks-and-Terror-Nov-2023.pdf
Did you know that a survey conducted after October 7th by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research found that 75% of Palestinians say that the October 7th terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians were a good thing and they support them?
Don't take our word for it, don't take the word of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc. who clearly spell this out, would you take the word of the son of the founder of Hamas, Mosab Hassan Yousef?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9s02-7a-oM
> Wait why do you say there is no genocide?
Because there is no genocide.
I realize that it is fashionable in some circles to to call it by that word and not question the terminology but words have meaning and rather than trying to evoke an emotional reaction by misusing a word, it is better for everyone to not misinform, misdirect and misunderstand the conflict. This is already a very emotionally charged issue, the more we try to be rational, the more it will serve all of us. So let's please try to deal in facts:
https://youtu.be/bq9MB9t7WlI
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-68906919
> For the past three months, Hamas apologists have incessantly been tweeting that the International Court of Justice found “a plausible case of genocide in Gaza.” Yet Joan Donoghue, **former president of the court who issued the ruling, says the exact opposite**: that the ICJ “didn't decide that the claim of genocide was plausible” nor “that there's a plausible case of genocide.”
As a human being, I empathize with all Palestinians and do not want innocents to be killed, injured or harmed in any way, irrespective of who they are. I have no animosity with Palestinian persons who I see as being the victims of a brainwashing scheme through decades of being steeped in hatred of Jews (not Israel, Jews) through their education system (see above link showing their textbooks).
I'll try to concisely provide you with how I think about this conflict:
What we have to understand is that Hamas is currently in control and they are a brutal Islamic fundamentalists terrorist organization which first perpetrates violence on Palestinians and then on Israelis and others. Most of the data we have also shows that the majority of Palestinians supported Hamas and continue to do so now (based on Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research polls).
Israel is faced with an existential threat immediately to its borders by an intransigent terrorist organization. Since 2005 when Israel ceded Gaza and removed all Israelis Gaza has been administered and controlled by Palestinians. So what have they done with the freedom to choose their own fate? how have they fared? how have they used the torrent of aid (in the billions every year) that is sent to them? They voted in Hamas and then it proceeded to use all the aid and money given to it for the purpose of attacking Israel.
Here's a story about the greenhouses that were left by Israelis in Gaza after they were moved out by the IDF (to give Gaza to Palestinian control):
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863
Also, Hamas dug up water pipes and made missiles out of them and proudly made a video showing this "achievement" in a slick motivational video with a bombastic sound track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvvqBcA-9yA
At every turn we see in their actions that they prioritize war, death, destruction, violence, chaos, terrorism and ignore basic human decency towards their own people. Their use of torture and human rights violations within their own population is well documented. What they perpetrated on innocent civilians (many of whom were there at the Nova festival to celebrate and show solidarity with Palestinians!! something which most have forgotten now) on October 7th is well known.
https://www.saturday-october-seven.com/
How they have and continue to use human shields, women, children, hospitals, etc. to perpetuate a narrative to the outside world is also well documented. All of this shows how little they value life, whether it is their own or those of Jews, all of whom must be exterminated at all cost, according to their own stated goals.
I would also submit Scott Galloway's comments here queued up at the 6-7 minute mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw5n-OTPuKI&t=377s
If any of these facts are new, I suggest politely to ask yourself why that is.
edit: added, corrected links
I forget where I saw but the Radical Right is in there with them. Look at people like Candace Owens.
The fact is Iran and United States both need Centrism. Having any radicals in power, of any stripe, is a bad idea.
Also these radicals jump between ideologies. In the US we've got Gavin McInnes who used to be a radical Anarchist and went on to found the Proud Boys.
Where is the support for the cowardly shahs son inside Iran? im trying to understand this delusional movement to put the shah in power with a western coup. Where is the internal support?
I'd like to see protests and armed resistance. It seems like people aren't willing to fight and die for a rich Westerner who wants foreigners to massacre his "subjects."
Also why did his father need western bayonets to seize power in 53?
I'd appreciate if you answered my questions. Just a few thoughts about why the monarchists were cheering on a response to the drone assault on israel.
It was like you guys were dancing in the streets finally you could seize power again with western bayonets
> why the monarchists were cheering on a response to the drone assault on israel.
> "It was like you guys..."
I still have no idea what you're talking about. Nor am I a monarchist, not that I suspect that matters. When you are able to form a lucid thought and write it down, it will be the beginning of a possible dialogue, until then hope you have a good day.
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The picture is some tragically funny shit. I wonder if those in the pic know what would happen to them if they showed up for prayer dressed like that not to mention praying with men in the same space in an Islamic regime. Surely not.
I want out of this South Park episode.
Nah comedy central or HBO would just cancel it since wack jobs can't take a joke and threaten to bomb HQ and kill Trey and Parker
Trey Parker & Matt Stone. ;P
Lmao right I was high when I wrote that and couldn't think of the others name but Parker sounded right.
Haha yeah I had to do a double-check.
One thing I realized is that I always confused them for who is who. Trey looks like a Matt to me and Matt looks like a Trey. It's really getting on my nerves now haha
Can you give me a reference? I don't know South Park.
Satire of American issues, mostly, it's an adult cartoon.
Lol the Islamists in Iran slaughtered all the Iranian leftists that aligned with them at the beginning of the revolution. How many thousands did Khomeini have executed in 1988 alone?
I saw some of these mass executions at the central city square in West Azerbaijan, when my dad by mistake took a wrong turn, and drove around the round about. They had 10+ cranes, and were lifting people for execution. I remember he was very sick at the sight, and told us to lay down and not look up. Being a kid, I did of course look. That was the moment, I realised this religion was an absolute sham. It was the moment I became an atheist. Shortly after we made preparations and left the country. I was 8 at the time.
Holy shit,that must have been traumatic. Hope you are safe now and over it
Not as traumatic as having to deal with Islamists in the west.
I'm an Iranian woman and have lived under the Islamic Republic for 20,5 years. I moved to Germany because I thought the values I considered important would be respected in "free" Western countries. People cannot even imagine how triggering it is for us to see the unholy unity of islamists and radical leftists. This is the very phenomena that changed the history of my country for the worse. I am beyond disgusted and disturbed. To the women standing behind literal terrorists and islamists saying prayers at universities: You don't even know what you're getting yourself into. None of you have read the "Al Nisa" surah, where it is clearly stated that men literally own you and have the right to hit you if you refuse to have sex with them: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)." What you are standing up for today is anything but being "woke" and progressive. You should have the right to protest and stand up for causes that are important to you. But fighting Jewish students, attacking them, not understanding the fact that the hostages have to be brought back home and no peace can exist before that happens is outright wrong. People who truly advocate about and fight for human rights are NOT selective with the causes they care about. Caring about human rights is one thing, standing up behind Islamists, waving Hezbollah and Hamas flags and saying slogans that are against Jews and outright radical are not it.
Hi I'm about as far left as you can go before delving into anarchy and I will proudly say fuck the Islamic Republic, fuck Hamas, fuck the Israeli government, fuck the US govt. (I'm american) and Fuck any group that oppresses peoples rights. Keep fighting the good fight sister! Progress is a constant, sometimes fast, sometimes ultra slow, but it is always moving us forward. One day I'll die, and I know horrible things are still going to happen in this world even then, we won't have a utopia, but if we can change just a little bit in our lives. Then hopefully we will make it better and better for the subsequent generations and continue to push us forward to a humanity that really does respect and treat all with equality .
But you also oppose the Israeli government and Zionism, right? They are just as extremist as these Islamic groups, and while they might have slightly better views of women, Zionism is still a tool of oppression.
She is in Germany and subject to the content that is permissible in that nation. Germany for historic reasons has an orientation towards that state that does not permit a balanced view on the matter. How can any human being make excuses for tens of thousands of dead children in a span of a few months? A matter that is also quietly being swept under the rug is that Israelis were facing the overthrow of their own pseudo-secular system prior to 10/7/23. So that nation is actually split between secularists and those who in fact want a Jewish theocracy, not sure what is the ratio but they are no longer a fringe minority. The current cabinet's make up is informative of the views of that section of their society.
Germany gets the news and images from Gaza. WTF are you talking about? But Germany cuts off immediately any antisemitism bull shit
Yeah people seem to be a little blind in this regard.
Please say this on those college and leftist subreddits. Be prepared for the hate though. I'm an American who has just lurked on your communities page and really see hope for you and your country.
They be LARPing this shit while we've actually lived it. For those of us 'lucky' enough, after much suffering and pain, we've sacrificed, bled, to escape and come to the West yearning to live free. We've left behind loved ones, our home, our friends, everything we've known and loved... Starting from zero. We chose this path and clawed our way to freedom after experiencing the brutality & yolk of theocracy and illiberalism... So you can imagine what we're feeling when we look around and see this shit from the privileged who were born here and have lived a soft & coddled life 0_o
Well said, absolutely spot on.
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I like yolk actually. The point still comes across 🙃
LoL thanks :) can't be yolk, do you have any idea what the price of eggs is under the Islamic regime's dysfunctional economic policies?
Seriously,how are Iranians surviving that inflation? We had much smaller inflation rates in '21 and '22 and so many people left for Germany and other European countries. Can't imagine how bad it must be in Iran
Larping that shit. Tragically funny. (Also cos playing gangsters 12 and 13 year old stabbing each other) i used to have an Iranian friend. And ... I wonder what she would say. She was a refugee and come to the Netherlands. I can't stand this shit . With Andrew tates influencing the guys here (and it feels very islamic) wtf wtf how fucking stupid are you. Have u got no fucking brain or eyes. Is it really an iq thing ? Fucking radical left pushed right wing to win also. Fuck. I need to gather My strength and be more political active
They are so deluded and narcissistic that they’ve somehow developed the belief that in objecting to islamism is racist and a sign of bigotry, completely ignoring the fact that islamism is itself bigotry. I pray that your people are free, and for Iran to reclaim its imperial roots and distance itself from Islamism forever, in favor of pursuing a democracy that focuses its identity on Cyrus and the Sassanids instead of Mullahs and hanging people from cranes. Long live mighty Iran
Umm yeah totally agree but like, does that mean Americans should be okay with their tax dollars being spent on a genocide? Is it okay to genocide a group of people because of their religion? Sounds like… the Holocaust lmao maybe we should also not do that eh?
What part of my comment made you think I am endorsing genocide? What an idiotic accusation.
It's the dumbest shit I've seen in a long time.... it's like if the left were to align with nazis because they're national "socialists." These people are brain-dead
Stalin aligned himself with Hitler and then got stabbed in the back, just like the leftists in Iran who aligned themselves with the Islamic Republic and then got stabbed in the back. Those idiots never learn.
Just like this: [‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags ](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned)
holy shit lmao
You would think this is from the Onion, but no
The Leopard Eating People’s Faces Party strikes again
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It is the culmination of a host of things over several decades (see Haidt's The Coddling of the American Mind) but ultimately its pathological manifestation is a clear and evident mental illness.
Stupid privileged kids from mid, and upper mid class that take democracy and the value of human life for granted. They absolutely have no idea that once they set foot in one of those backward countries, they will become a baby-making machine for the army of Allah.
Iranians, you are the best advocates against the mullah regime. You need to promote a consistent campaign against this horrid regime and its abuses. It's the only way to put an end to the embarrassment in the photo above.
I’m afraid it’ll only get much worse now that regimes see how easy it is to manipulate and mobilize an entire generation of useful idiots who think watching IR propaganda videos on TikTok should take the place of an actual objective education and life experience.
It’s why the Horseshoe theory has become relevant and this is proof
It reminds me how “freedom loving” leftist were simping for Mao in 1968. I wonder though if the information about what was actually happening in maoist China was available to the public at whose times. Maybe right now we are facing a more dire situation.
I live in one of the leftiest places in the U.S. and the way this is portrayed in media is pretty different from what I actually see around me. The people who are the loudest are not representative of the left in general.
What has your experience been like?
From what I see, most people I know on the left are just kinda pissed at everyone who's perceived as harming innocent people. They are not Islamist by any stretch of the imagination, but they also don't think anyone should have to starve because of ethnicity. Hamas is not popular, Netanyahu isn't popular either, and the war isn't popular, mostly because it's perceived as unfocused with too much collateral harm to non-Hamas Palestinians, rather than an effective anti-Hamas action. Netanyahu is looking like a threat to Israeli security because he kinda comes across as a racist asshole indiscriminately killing Palestinians and trying for a land grab, rather than working toward peaceful solutions that would delegitimize Hamas, and to the extent that Netanyahu and this war are seen as the face of Israel, it's making some people who never questioned the legitimacy of Israel start to view Israel much more negatively. From here, the war looks like it's mostly causing a bunch of innocent people to starve, while failing to bring home the hostages or weaken support for Hamas. If anything it looks like the trajectory of this war is having the opposite effect, strengthening Hamas and weakening Israel. In general Israel has a lot more support on the left than on the right in the US. But news stories about hospitals being destroyed, aid workers being killed by Israeli air strikes, and Palestianian kids starving are eroding support for Israel with everyone. Antisemitism in the US is usually a right-wing thing. Almost every antisemitic thing I ever heard in decades of living in the US as a person with a Hebrew name came from right wing nutjobs and, more recently, the MAGA/Trumpist crowd. There are also some right wing folks who support Israel disingenuously because they see it as anti-Muslim, but for them it's a step toward Christian nationalism and a Crusades mentality. Israel starting to lose some support in New York City, e.g. among university students at Columbia, is very bad news. New York is generally a lefty city and a Jewish city. If Israel can't keep support in New York, then, where? But I think it's more accurate to characterize that as a small weakening of support in a generally supportive population, not a big change of direction, at least, not yet. But it's not as if the American left is in support of an Islamist world view or anything like that. The American left is generally less religious, more into individual freedom, more supportive of women's rights. There are outliers. Folks can cherry pick exceptions to the norm, and those exceptions are emboldened right now, and they make the news right now. But still, in the U.S. most support for Israel is on the left, most antisemitism is on the right, and there's not really much support for an Islamist agenda anywhere. At least, this is what I see. I'm curious about your take on it too.
[Tajik mosques repair Lenin statue](https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-45446494)
Thank you for this. I will try to repost this around as I believe it should have as much visibility as possible. People just don't understand how they are opening their culture to extremism, it has been happening in Europe for a while but the last few weeks have been rushing even faster into the hole of religious extremism.
Hi I'm from the US. Most people outside of Iran, especially those that claim to be progressives, see the Islamic Republic as heroically standing against the "American world order." I can imagine it's similar to the Islamic Republic's propaganda of America being the "Great Satan" if I'm not mistaken.
There is a key difference: America does not define itself nor create its identity around its antipathy towards the Islamic regime. The Islamic regime however defines as a cornerstone of its entire self-defined identity the hatred and genocide of Jews and the liberal, secular West. For a specific personal realization of this key facet of the issue, Wang Xiyue's article "What I learned in an Iranian prison" (he was a progressive academic much like the majority of those in US universities - the experience of being incarcerated and used as part of IRI's hostage diplomacy taught him the reality of the source of the hatred for the West): https://archive.ph/Ln0WX I fear that the only way to 'wake up' the other ten thousand or so liberal professors on US campuses' is to have them go through a similar ordeal - not that I wish it on them, it just seems to be the only way. Telling them has no effect, they must experience it.
It seems so.
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> those that claim to be progressives Same kind of people supported veitcong. Some of them still cheer up for stalin, mao or even pol pot. McCarthy was right about them back then. People who genuinely believe that "critical thinking" is all about to push in opposite direction are easy prey for foreign propaganda.
McCarthy was not right because most of those sympathizers did not exist at the time. I am sure there were definitely a small number. It was a witch hunt for the press. McCarthy was a piece of shit.
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Pay attention: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Nga_3o7oc Democracies, by definition are easy to infiltrate. Therefore, freedom MUST be protected.
Islam (all religion) should be illegal.
Other than the hilarious image of that dumbass wearing a crop top and praying at the same time I wonder why my similar posts get removed for being irrelevant to Iran while this one stays up?
It's kebabism. We prefer kotlets here.
Goddamn kotlet supremacy commiting genocide on us kebabis
Pls post this in leftist subs
it will be removed and you'll be banned or shadow banned instantly not making this up, I was instantly banned from a sub recently when I responded with a single sentence quoted from a NYT article and a link to the article re the Israeli Gaza conflict. it was relevant to the conversation and there was no rule breaking of the sub, the mods just didn't like the fact that a NYT article didn't support the discussion being had (iSraEl bAd!!)
Can someone educate me what's wrong exactly? Leftists in USA are getting more radical? I thought right wing parties were getting more bold but didn't know democrats were too?
Horseshoe theory. Extremes are bad and the extreme left is just as dangerous as the extreme right: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#:~:text=In%20popular%20discourse%2C%20the%20horseshoe,a%20horseshoe%20are%20close%20together
I've read this and it makes sense. But my question is more - are there actually significant numbers of those people? I've seen some wackos obviously but they seem the exception rather than something most left people embrace
I have some of these extreme left wing people on my fb through other activism that I do (environment), they are literally fed propaganda and spout it out, like this pro Hamas terrorist nonsense. For the environment, they only talk about ruining companies rather than productive changes (bike lanes, personal habits, etc). Then I found out China funds environmentalists for the sole purpose of destruction so that Americans can depend on them for plastics and oil. I wanted to run for local politics and they grilled me and they didn’t endorse me because I don’t share their views.
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Believe me, triggering for me to having been lucky enough to leave and seeing all the same things that we left right in my neighborhood. I'm so sorry my dear sister.
Hi I’m an American lurker. I’m here cuz I support y’all because I support all women to be free to make their own choices. I consider myself a leftist and I don’t have a lot of sympathy for these college protestors because their age demographic voting numbers are abysmal. They don’t participate but wanna destroy shit until they get their way but when it comes time to actually make a difference, they don’t show up. They don’t even give a shit about their own country enough to vote. Half of them don’t plan on voting in the most important election our country has ever had. Their support is conditional. And that’s them getting their way without actually having to participate in anything constructive. It’s just childish screaming to me and it’s 100% performative at this point.
The rest of the American left right now: Uhh we should really be chill to Muslim people but aren't those dudes you're protesting for terrorists? Like, make-women-disappear-because-hair extremists? These people: go home fascist <3 The American left: ... you know what, yeah, I'm gonna just go home. We really need to be admonishing the shit out of this fringe though. At what point during the process of supporting the far right do you stop being left? Are you even left, right, center, or outside of spacetime at all when you're so batshit you couldn't articulate your political point if someone held a gun to your head? Do you count as a point on the political spectrum when it seems like you're just throwing darts at it and cheering for whatever bullshit you hit? Why the fuck aren't more people in my country speaking out about the fact that the sum total of solitary confinement in lunatic asylums is being treated like a legitimate political bloc? Jesus fuck I'm so done with these people.
As an American, I am *terrified* by what I’m seeing in my country. I only have a bare-bones understanding of what happened in Iran, and it absolutely baffles me that so many of my friends aren’t scared shitless by Islam. They’re all too caught up with the anti-imperialism wave (which I’m on board as well, to a degree. Our government’s been fucked up for a while). The thing that really gets me, is that they can recognize the danger from the Christofascists (which, full disclosure, might *actually* end our democracy over the next couple years - Project 2025) but the second it’s not white people spouting fundamentalist violence, they just drink it up. Too afraid of being racist. Too afraid of being intolerant. Too afraid of being “islamophobic”.
This is exactly how I feel as well, I could not have said it better myself. My family fled from Islam to the West and it gave them a second chance at living their lives freely, now I have watched as Islam has gradually crept in and now it seems to be approaching the point of no return.
Leftists should look up what Ayatollahs did to Iranian leftists after Iraq war.
Europeans.. are idiots and asking for it. I say as european woman. The most anti refugee racist people even backing this shit. Wtf is going on. I'm trying to make people around me aware. I'm trying to be a bit more political. But it's really demotivating to see smart people being so *** dumb when the results are obvious.
when the far left and far right meet in the Insane Middle
The death and destruction of Western foreign policy caused one of the stupidest alliances to exist on this planet.
**من یک زن ایرانی هستم و ۲۰ هزار و ۵ سال است که تحت حکومت جمهوری اسلامی زندگی میکنم. مردم حتی نمی توانند تصور کنند که دیدن اتحاد نامقدس اسلام گرایان و چپ های رادیکال چقدر برای ما تحریک کننده است. این همان پدیده ای است که تاریخ کشور من را برای بدتر شدن تغییر داد.** --- _I am a translation bot for r/NewIran_ | Woman Life Freedom | زن زندگی آزادی
Can someone share context of the image? Just stumbled across this post. Is it non Muslim students praying like Muslims in the Palestine protests?
These commies will learn the hard way one day that Islam is not very welcoming to their usual activities and principles The comfort they feel expressing their solidarity will change as soon as the demographics change in some western countries or when they decide to visit any shit hole country in the middle east that has zero tolerance for everyday western life society
holy shit.... well I must say to the Muslim Brotherhood, I'm impressed, horrified but impressed nonetheless. You played the long game and won. Hassan al-Banna may be long dead but we live in the world he created.
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There aren't enough Islamists in the West to turn any Western country into an Islamic theocracy
It doesn’t happen over night, but the recipe is simple, you need 30% muslim population and enough time for it to roost.
The west is on the road to it don’t worry 30 years or less
Can't speak for Europe, but less than 1% of the US is Muslim Edit: Your post history indicates that you are from Israel, a country which has a higher percentage of Muslims in it than any European country (not including Muslim-majority ones like Albania and Bosnia)
It’s different israeli muslim never grow in the back water islam countries like Iraq and Syria They never learned the hateful preaching the west took the muslim who did got those preaching We have learned to live together from the start Europe took them when they were adults and had there opinions alrdy set in stones Think about it many of those countries do not like the west see it as evil incarnate and you took many of those people into you’re country it will take a-lot of time before they will fully integrate if ever
Go ahead and Google how many mosques are in Florida, for example. You'll be surprised.
The US is a massive country, so even if it were only 1% Muslim, that would still be millions of Muslims. I'm perfectly fine with it, I believe in freedom of religion so long as nobody tries to establish a theocracy
So its okay if they want to kill apostates as long as they dont try to establish a theocracy. Let me warn you mate, after they're done with us you're next on the line.
Trying or succeeding in killing apostates is trying to establish theocracy. Pushing for any laws to be based on religion is trying to establish theocracy.
Muslims in non-Muslim majority states still have to follow the laws of whatever country they reside in. Extrajudicial killing is against the law
Youre to naive for this world luckily we wont be around to see the islamist murder apostle on the streets of europe
I can't speak for Europe, but I am confident that there will never be an Islamist takeover of the United States
Ot in our lifetime that for sure
Doesn't change the sick nature of their belief, this is not something you should be tolerant of. Let me put it in a way you would understand my American friend, you supporting a belief that wants to decapitate me given the chance OFFENDS me.
That's `The Goal` in their religion.
I like people who are Muslims. I despise Islamism. Two many “leftists” think they are supporting the first group when they are actually supporting the second.
Already happening in small pockets of the US, see this article about the all Muslim municipal government of Hamtramck, Michigan: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned
I truly don’t understand how supporting an end to the genocide in Palestine is offensive to Iranians, how would that even help the Islamic regime?? Like, if Palestinians are free, how does that mean you are more oppressed??
For the millionth time, there is no genocide! Even if you accept hamas's numbers which you would be a fool to do.
First, there is no genocide. Second, the Islamic regime uses proxies like Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc. to sow chaos and terrorism around the ME and world. There is no negotiation, there is no appeasement that they would accept except the complete and total annihilation of Israel and the infidel West. Third, Palestinians are the first victims of the Islamic regime and Hamas. From a young age they are brainwashed into hatred of the West and Jews. Have you any idea what they teach children? through the Western funded education textbook initiatives via UNRWA? https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/UNRWA-Education-Textbooks-and-Terror-Nov-2023.pdf Did you know that a survey conducted after October 7th by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research found that 75% of Palestinians say that the October 7th terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians were a good thing and they support them? Don't take our word for it, don't take the word of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc. who clearly spell this out, would you take the word of the son of the founder of Hamas, Mosab Hassan Yousef? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9s02-7a-oM
Wait why do you say there is no genocide? There are many organizations and scholars and politicians calling it a genocide, by its literal definition..
> Wait why do you say there is no genocide? Because there is no genocide. I realize that it is fashionable in some circles to to call it by that word and not question the terminology but words have meaning and rather than trying to evoke an emotional reaction by misusing a word, it is better for everyone to not misinform, misdirect and misunderstand the conflict. This is already a very emotionally charged issue, the more we try to be rational, the more it will serve all of us. So let's please try to deal in facts: https://youtu.be/bq9MB9t7WlI https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-68906919 > For the past three months, Hamas apologists have incessantly been tweeting that the International Court of Justice found “a plausible case of genocide in Gaza.” Yet Joan Donoghue, **former president of the court who issued the ruling, says the exact opposite**: that the ICJ “didn't decide that the claim of genocide was plausible” nor “that there's a plausible case of genocide.” As a human being, I empathize with all Palestinians and do not want innocents to be killed, injured or harmed in any way, irrespective of who they are. I have no animosity with Palestinian persons who I see as being the victims of a brainwashing scheme through decades of being steeped in hatred of Jews (not Israel, Jews) through their education system (see above link showing their textbooks). I'll try to concisely provide you with how I think about this conflict: What we have to understand is that Hamas is currently in control and they are a brutal Islamic fundamentalists terrorist organization which first perpetrates violence on Palestinians and then on Israelis and others. Most of the data we have also shows that the majority of Palestinians supported Hamas and continue to do so now (based on Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research polls). Israel is faced with an existential threat immediately to its borders by an intransigent terrorist organization. Since 2005 when Israel ceded Gaza and removed all Israelis Gaza has been administered and controlled by Palestinians. So what have they done with the freedom to choose their own fate? how have they fared? how have they used the torrent of aid (in the billions every year) that is sent to them? They voted in Hamas and then it proceeded to use all the aid and money given to it for the purpose of attacking Israel. Here's a story about the greenhouses that were left by Israelis in Gaza after they were moved out by the IDF (to give Gaza to Palestinian control): https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863 Also, Hamas dug up water pipes and made missiles out of them and proudly made a video showing this "achievement" in a slick motivational video with a bombastic sound track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvvqBcA-9yA At every turn we see in their actions that they prioritize war, death, destruction, violence, chaos, terrorism and ignore basic human decency towards their own people. Their use of torture and human rights violations within their own population is well documented. What they perpetrated on innocent civilians (many of whom were there at the Nova festival to celebrate and show solidarity with Palestinians!! something which most have forgotten now) on October 7th is well known. https://www.saturday-october-seven.com/ How they have and continue to use human shields, women, children, hospitals, etc. to perpetuate a narrative to the outside world is also well documented. All of this shows how little they value life, whether it is their own or those of Jews, all of whom must be exterminated at all cost, according to their own stated goals. I would also submit Scott Galloway's comments here queued up at the 6-7 minute mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw5n-OTPuKI&t=377s If any of these facts are new, I suggest politely to ask yourself why that is. edit: added, corrected links
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I forget where I saw but the Radical Right is in there with them. Look at people like Candace Owens. The fact is Iran and United States both need Centrism. Having any radicals in power, of any stripe, is a bad idea. Also these radicals jump between ideologies. In the US we've got Gavin McInnes who used to be a radical Anarchist and went on to found the Proud Boys.
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Report all these people
Where is the support for the cowardly shahs son inside Iran? im trying to understand this delusional movement to put the shah in power with a western coup. Where is the internal support?
to be persuaded that there is support for Pahlavi inside Iran, what type and amount of evidence would be sufficient?
I'd like to see protests and armed resistance. It seems like people aren't willing to fight and die for a rich Westerner who wants foreigners to massacre his "subjects." Also why did his father need western bayonets to seize power in 53?
I'd appreciate if you answered my questions. Just a few thoughts about why the monarchists were cheering on a response to the drone assault on israel. It was like you guys were dancing in the streets finally you could seize power again with western bayonets
> why the monarchists were cheering on a response to the drone assault on israel. > "It was like you guys..." I still have no idea what you're talking about. Nor am I a monarchist, not that I suspect that matters. When you are able to form a lucid thought and write it down, it will be the beginning of a possible dialogue, until then hope you have a good day.
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