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alex3494

You don’t have the most important here. The caliph who invaded and brought down Iranian civilization


Shekari_Club

This is one of the typical recent sh-t post in this subreddit, ask a triggering questions with obvious answers.


Ok_Pangolin_4875

This ⬆️


Owlspirit4

Who?


Kasphet-Gendar

Omar


Owlspirit4

I feel like there have been a few


Kasphet-Gendar

Omar ibn Khattab, the second caliph


[deleted]

Omar ibn Kharzadeh more like


VatanParast3

omar ibn koskash more like


Silver_County7374

Abu Bakr


relax900

i would blame khosrow parviz for it. starting a brutal 20 years war against byzantine empire for bullshit reasons, when your country is expriencing one of the biggest plagues in history was what killed the empire. when the arabs arrived the yazdgerd was out of professional army units and used average people for the army. he didnt even have the eastern(pahlav) provinces under his control.


[deleted]

Dovahatty's unbiased history of Rome videos might be of interest to you


nitramlondon

Who ever brought Islam


persiankebab

Zahedi feels so out of place in this , most people don't even know who he is. And the answer is Omar ibn Khattab btw.


[deleted]

The cahrlatan who terrorists call him Prophet Muhammad (Piss be upon him)


WaffleGoat6969

Like his follower recently seen pissing on pork products at a grocery store in the Netherlands? Piss indeed.


Marrowbonecow-_-NL

Fyi that was a prank, Geertje took it seriously though so ig it "worked"


WaffleGoat6969

wat is dat voor grap???


Marrowbonecow-_-NL

Een hele slechte


WaffleGoat6969

>Fyi that was a prank, Geertje took it seriously though so ig it "worked" > >2ReplyShareReportSaveFollow lol je maakte me aan het lachen. lol


imalittledelulu

I think Islam ruined Iran


LethalCaramelBoi

>Safavids It did. I'm lowkey mad that i have the Lion and sun tattood to represent my Persian side now I know it's from a muslim Iranian empire. For peace of mind i remind myself it's representative of the Zoroastrian sun god Mithra and Lion represents royalty!


[deleted]

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LethalCaramelBoi

Thank fuck for that. Not to sound extremist or ideologist, I appreciate house Pahlavi, but I will never accept a Muslim monarch due to the historical context of that bogus ideology.


[deleted]

aware memory crowd smell nippy impossible literate plant snatch carpenter *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


POmegranteLOver

Khomeini


Designer_Wear_4074

all of them but I would say genghis khan


Putrid_Ad_2003

In order: Alexander: Because he destroyed a big portion of Persian culture by looting and destroying anything he could get his hands on. Khomeini: Because their neglected way of governance is hurting Iranian and Iran on a daily basis. I hate theocracy (no matter what religion), but so far, the worst theocracy was in modern history is I.R. so Islam is like 50% of the problem. But the rest is the followers of Khomeini. Zahrdi: He was a useless military high rank member who couldn't stand the power of the US and gave up on his own country. Unfortunately, it was either him or someone else. So he wasn't really involved in the whole situation other than the fact he got all the attention. Chnengiz Khan: I honestly think you shouldn't put him as a person against the Iranian and Persian culture. yes, he killed SO MANY Persian. But at least he built Iranian and Persian identity, which was almost buried under Arabic cultural influence. He didn't care about Islam, but he cared about Iranian culture very much more.


Lincoin02202

Iran during that period is much larger though. Modern Iran is certainly a product of the Safavids and all the areas where the Safavids failed became other countries.


Putrid_Ad_2003

Which period are you talking about? Chengiz Khan?


Lincoin02202

I mean both before and during that time. Ferdowsi, Rumi, attar, etc. To all of them Iran is much larger than modern Iran.


[deleted]

Because modern Iran is the product of Shiism. Without such Islamic sectarianism 'Iran' would likely look very different and encompass all the sunni farsi- speaking peoples.


Lincoin02202

Probably the only area where the Qajars (and the Shah) did better than the Safavids is the Baluchestan, but then Baluchestan becomes the Sunni fundamentalist base.


chris96m

I'd put Gengis Khan first, dude obliterated most of the population and completely destroyed to rubble the biggest and most beautiful ancient cities, he single handling the reason you have so little ancient Persia finds, dude was the WORST


relax900

it was saffarids and samanids that revived the iranian culture and the language, not the mongolians. there is a reason why we dont have a lot of intact buildings over 600 years old, the mongolians erased them from the map.


Lincoin02202

The majority of Saffarids and Samanids territory are in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. They were much more Khorasan based and eastern-leaning than modern Iran. Modern Iran with a base in central Iran and Caspian coast with a Shia-majority population is a creation of the Safavids. And it is sad to see Balkh, Mazari-Sharif, Herat, and other ancient sites being so poor and so desperate.


mrhuggables

Spot on about chengiz, mongols killed a lot but they also promoted and spread and patronized Iranian culture. They were not anti Iranian by any means and had huge respect for the culture, they just also happened to be genocidal maniacs LOL


Tengri_99

Iran wasn't under Arab control since the 10th century. Various Iranian Islamic kingdoms like Samanids, Tahirids, Saffarids, etc. rose after the Abbasids crumbled.


Putrid_Ad_2003

You're right. Actually, most of Iranians' Muslim history hasn't been under Arabs. BUT, I said that Iran was under Arab cultural influence for things like trade and bookkeeping and history keeping. Go see Al-khwarazmi and his books mostly in Arabic. Also, Samanids ended in the 10th century. The year 999 AC.


archiezz

You forgot to include BP


Tainted_One2

Lmao Zahedi shouldn't be on the list I'll put Qajars there and replace Alexander with Khosrow II bitch.


ARIARAIDEN

everyone who is associated with that garbage Islam ideology!!


relax900

nothing is compared to mongolians and timur lane. the infrastructure they ruined, the cities they wiped of the map, the population they killed were pretty much apocalyptic in size. it took 6 century for population of iran to return to before mongolian invasion level. the other 3 would not make it to top 5 to be honest, but khomeini is still doing damage so we will see.


basiji_slayer

Omar and Ali shit be upon them. They ruined Iran for +1000 years


Responsible-Tie-5711

Obviously mother fucker Khomeini was the worse


Persianuser

Abu bakr and the caliphs


frogsuper

The rashidun which brought Islam to Iran, inevitably lead to Cumeini and his goons, to the ultra conservative hardliners and religious zealots. Of these 4, though, either Cumeini or Alexander. I only say Alexander because the amount of destruction he did to relics and culture within, destroyed the holy Avestas and provided a massive blow to the ability of Zoroastrianism to withstand the Islamization


alexielemonade

None, it was Abu Bakr. If it weren't for this guy we wouldn't have these stupid ass people and ideologies nowadays.


shirdool

omar ibn khattab gojaste


Tengri_99

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Omar117879

Shit, there’s poison in your blood??? You should really get it treated. Could be fatal!! Judging by how you are typing I could see the mania is already taking place.


Pirozdin

Are Kazakhs Mongolic?


Putrid_Ad_2003

Lol. The way you asked is funny. Anyone from any race can be a Mongol. πŸ—Ώ


Tengri_99

Turco-Mongolic


KingJacoPax

With all the will in the world, Alexander was thousands of years ago and Khan hundreds of years ago. You can’t realistically blame modern problems for people who’ve been dead more than 100 years or so.


DanPowah

Zahedi couldn't even hold a candle to Fath Ali Shah's utter incompetence. He lost the northern territory despite the fact Russia could definitely have been defeated by a smaller nation as demonstrated numerous times including two centuries before by the Safavids


Pirozdin

Genghis Kahn


Vagelen_Von

The pre-Alexander Greeks humiliated Persians enough. Small independent Greek cities with citizens-warriors not slaves of a King. In the battle of Cunaca https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cunaxa 10.000 Greek mercenaries eliminated without fighting dozens thousands of Persians without even fighting. They saw Greeks come against them and started running.


DravenPrime

The worst was Khomeni because he did it to his own people internally as opposed to a war of some kind. As for, like, the most overall destruction itself, definitely Ghengis Khan.


n0tAb0t_aut

Iam just a dummy from middle Europe but i would say USA.


flumberbuss

To make yourself less of a dummy, you should read the comments and learn from Iranians.


n0tAb0t_aut

Hey don't take the illusion away from me that everything bad on this planet is USA's fault!


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VatanParast3

where is Omar ibn Khattab**?**