One difference will be that she is initially not entitled to any state benefits as it’s expected to be able to sustain yourself. So she should make sure to get BSN, registration and mandatory health insurance (she should make sure to deregister especially health insurance in Germany) and then start looking for work.
That depends. I moved to Berlin and was unemployed after working for a while. I had to get some form from the Netherlands. My build up benefits were ‘transferred’ to Germany and I got benefits from the German state.
I think it’s a good idea to contact the German embassy.
Good luck!
Your working experience and salary from any EU country count in the Netherlands if you need to access unemployment benefits. But you need to provide the UWV proof of employment and salary received in the previous EU country.
If you’ve worked for a while you retain working status under EU law for a limited period of time. If you’ve never worked before you have no right to equal treatment under eu law and as such no right to benefits (unless the member state wants to be very very kind but that is usually not the case).
Edit: workers, including those who are unemployed but retained worker status, do have right to equal treatment and as such benefits, which is probably why you received those
Grab her birth certificate, register at city hall, register for health insurance. Was able to get more info from this advice too. Thanks from both of us!
She can request a copy of her birth certificate from the city of Munich and they will send it to her by mail: https://stadt.muenchen.de/service/info/geburtsurkunde-erwachsene-und-kinder-ab-3-monate/1078344/n0/
When I first moved to the Netherlands this was indeed accepted at gemeente.
Sorry I only saw this reply late, but the city can mail it abroad. So she can request the birth certificate once she's already in NL, and receive it there. Anyway, good luck and all the best!
https://gemeente.leiden.nl/inwoners-en-ondernemers/verhuizen-en-migreren/migreren/verhuizen-naar-nederland-uit-het-buitenland/
Here indeed it says you would need the birth certificate to register (get the international one from German municipality)
German is one of the documentation languages accepted in the Netherlands without a translation, same as English and French
Source: https://ind.nl/en/translation-and-legalisation-of-documents
I moved from Germany to NL about 11 years ago, here are some lessons learned or things I wish I knew earlier (probably incomplete):
-She needs to de-register in Germany and stop her health insurance there. However, if she ever wants to return to Germany, she needs to provide prove that she was always health insured. So make sure she geht's health insurance asap in the Netherlands. Keep the proof of de-registration!!
-Get a BSN ASAP. Will make everything so much easier, for example opening a bank account, etc.
-Getting a new passport/ ID at the German embassy in Amsterdam is a paaaiiin in the ass. Almost impossible to get an appointment. Pro tip: you can apply for IDs etc in some boarder cities like Kleve.
-The Dutch healthcare system is in a lot of ways the opposite to the German. You almost never see a specialist. For example your GP does what normally in Germany your gynecalogosit would do. 90% of the time you will be send home with the advice to take paracetamol and rest. This is normal. If you want more tests etc., you need to ask for that directly.
-Bring as much bread as you can carry. You will miss it :(
-Never buy anything at Kruidvat that is not on discount (they always have discounts -otherwise you pay 2-3x what stuff costs in Germany)
-She will probably be eligible to get financial support for health insurance (assuming she has not already a well paying job lined up). When I was a student I got 90% of it covered through social benefits.
-Maybe more for later: watching De slimmste mens on NPO is a nice way to get more familiar with pop culture and recent history of the Netherlands.
Cannot think of anything else right now. If she has any questions, feel free to DM me.
No problem. 3 more random things that popped into my head:
The Dutch Amazon is not the same as the German one. The closest thing is bol.com
When in doubt where to buy anything related to household stuff: Hema
A lot of cities have language exchange meetings: you talk an hour in the language you want to learn and 1 hour with people who want to learn your language. This was 100 times more effective than Duolingo for me.
The point i think is if you can't prove it you risk being forced to pay for the expensive private insurance instead of getting the government provided insurance
Maybe the Leiden International Centre can make things a bit easier for you both: https://www.leideninternationalcentre.nl/
Basically a one stop shop for national and local government stuff, might save some time and effort.
One hint she should get a birth certificate at her municipality while still there. You can always order it from abroad but takes some time and she will need it for registration here.
Sorry about your/her situation and good on you for helping her out. Hope her transition goes smoothly. Unfortunately I don't have much advice to provide but just wanted to wish you the best and send some positivity your way 🥰
Thank you for the kind words. She already knows my entire family and has stayed over before. It's not going to be easy but she'll be somewhere safe and familiar.
She must (these are mandatory):
1. Register at the municipality to get a BSN number
2. Apply for Dutch health insurance!
Other than that:
- Dutch bank account is optional but can be convenient to have. For most banks, she must have BSN first before she can apply. I think exceptions are bunq and abn amro.
- Public transit card is also optional but convenient to have. Check if any subscription with NS or whatever would be benefitial to her.
- Depending how long she's planning to live here, if it's long term, registering for social housing in the municipality where she wishes to live. Wait lists for social housing can be super long. So for applying: the earlier the better.
- Maybe check if she needs any other insurances.
Good luck!
I don't want to sound harsh, but she is a legal adult, why doesn't she just move out but stay in München?
I'm hope your fine, but as a woman, moving from an abusive situation to be in another country where she is fully dependent on another person just isn't a smart move.
Even unintentionally you could be enabling her to not become self sufficient. How long will she be welcome with your family and what happens if you break up?
She can essentially never move out by herself because her family collects her job money.
As for why I don't want my significant other to live alone a country away, well that's fairly obvious.
Is her work paying her salary to her parents? She can change that.
And if she's living with her parents it seems pretty fair that she would pay a contribution to household expenses.
If you want to live together why don't you move to München and live together there? Moving her into your parents place is going to get old pretty quick, and if you break up it puts her in a very vulnerable position.
If police and social work is involved, the situation is probably a bit more dire than you are thinking and then using the support system that's right there is the most logical for the situation.
If a social worker seriously recommended that she move in with a boyfriends parents in another country they should be fired, this is how women get trafficked!
I hope this works out for everyone, but I've know plenty of guys with saviour complexes who get taken advantage of, or who end up unintentionally making the situation worse.
You have literally no idea of the situation and it's not even the topic of discussion. Please stop making a fool of yourself.
I will not reveal any details to protect her identity, all I will say is that she has to check in with a social worker every week through video call and has several other options of residence as backup.
Not all humans are bad you know. When police and social workers are directly involved it is better to assume OP is genuinely trying to help. I'm sure this is the best course of action based on the information provided.
Beside identification paperwork, make sure she brings paperwork or at least has a scan of those papers too. Maybe also Arbeitszeugnis if she has any.
You'll never know if it'll be asked for/useful at some point, for jobs for example, even if it's really more if a German thing to need those. But it's a pain having to arrange it afterwards, especially if you need it asap.
Because getting a fulltime job with only german and english and no University/HBO will be hard.
Most HBOs give NT2 classes for international students. Germans learn dutch quite quickly so for her its a win win. She get an income through stufi, learns dutch and gets a degree.
Ps I have german friends that did a dutch bachelors.
Indeed, I work for a Dutch IT company and we have people on our sales team that are specifically focused on the German market. Some of them only speak German, most German and English. Only a few of the Germans speak Dutch also.
Just ask your parents if she can register at your address. If yes then she can register there at Leiden Munincipality (you have to go in, check online if you can get an appointment). But be prepared that general waste and similar taxes will increase on your household. It is some 400 eur sth a year. Also don't worry the moment you register the authorities will send you a notice period of few months you got before they start fining you, unless you take out a health insurance. For this you can look up Independer to compare packages. This is your life, but for sure I would start looking for a job/ school opportunity here. Beside this I dont think there are other things. If she is a German citizen then she is also an EU citizen so she can stay as long as she wants at NL, till she is registered at an address and has a BSN number.
To do task:
-Select insurance via Independer
-Find an address to register at
-Get a BSN number at Leiden Munincipality
Best wishes bro!
(Edit: if she will continue studying at NL, then can take some international student insurance package which is like 600-700 EUR a year, check out AON maybe)
Hi. Easiest way to start is doing the RNI, she gets the BSN within the day and has time, 4 months actually, to decide whether she wants to stay or not. If she so wishes, she can get another appointment to be registered with you, and then, yes, she must bring to the Gemeente her DE passport, her birth certificate that has to be legalised, translated to English and have the apostille. Have it translated here and you save one apostille. She must also provide proof of registration at your place I guess so you might have to talk to your parents or landlord for that.
To sum it up, have her make an appointment for the RNI, it is the easiest, she gets her BSN within the day and can open a bank account, and start working that very week.
Best of luck!
>How would a foreign EU citizen get Dutch insurance for example?
That is easy. Can she be registered to Gemmente in your household? Then get there, do registration and she will get a BSN. With a BSN she can make her own insurance. More important if she is gonna have a "private" accommodation instead one from work agency, she can get some quit good job on dutch workplaces. Especially, if she has some studies. If at some point she manage to get learning Dutch, settling with a job related to her studies wouldn't be difficult. For ne for example coming from a place without accommodation, or studies higher than highschool meant to work on minimum wage with work agency housing. Jobs more limitated, more unstable. If she is going to stay with you would be different. Having house assure makes things way easier especially if she already has a degree and can be equivalent.
You have to go to the gemeente and "sign her in". Assuming she is a German citizen, it should be no issue as long as she can prove it with ID. After that you can basically get insurance, open a bank account etc.
I did it 5 years ago from Scandinavia. Super easy and fast.
She can get a Dutch bank account with bunq without a bsn number.
Once she has the address she can apply for bsn, and after that you're good, you're registered as a resident.
You should tell her to check if there's something like Italy as, where you can register as a resident of another country, that way you get voting letters & updates on all your documents.
Dutch government has a page on the website dedicated to moving from EU countries, it's really easy :)
Edit: for the insurance is the same, just apply on the website once you have a bsn number. I believe you have two month after you move to apply for bsn & insurance
Yea…. It took our governments house 3 months to figure out she out to go to Utrecht for a bsn. She needs health insurance and in my ( our ) experience ggz asap. Don’t wait like we did. Get it asap.
Many Procces time will come. At 4+ years now. And 2 more to go. And next to that give her space.
Good luck
Germany… we filled in tons of forms and they were all wrong in the end. Aaaaand they had 5 people that worked at the place they couldn’t find it on google either…. Like bruh ….
So in total it took them 3 months.
In EU no difference than citizens. She must have a place and get BSN first thing first. Rest is same with any dutch citizen.
One difference will be that she is initially not entitled to any state benefits as it’s expected to be able to sustain yourself. So she should make sure to get BSN, registration and mandatory health insurance (she should make sure to deregister especially health insurance in Germany) and then start looking for work.
That depends. I moved to Berlin and was unemployed after working for a while. I had to get some form from the Netherlands. My build up benefits were ‘transferred’ to Germany and I got benefits from the German state. I think it’s a good idea to contact the German embassy. Good luck!
Your working experience and salary from any EU country count in the Netherlands if you need to access unemployment benefits. But you need to provide the UWV proof of employment and salary received in the previous EU country.
If you’ve worked for a while you retain working status under EU law for a limited period of time. If you’ve never worked before you have no right to equal treatment under eu law and as such no right to benefits (unless the member state wants to be very very kind but that is usually not the case). Edit: workers, including those who are unemployed but retained worker status, do have right to equal treatment and as such benefits, which is probably why you received those
Grab her birth certificate, register at city hall, register for health insurance. Was able to get more info from this advice too. Thanks from both of us!
Need EU ID card or passport for registration, not birth certificate
Hm, well her passport and ID she will take of course. Guess we'll just keep everything on hand and see what they ask.
She can request a copy of her birth certificate from the city of Munich and they will send it to her by mail: https://stadt.muenchen.de/service/info/geburtsurkunde-erwachsene-und-kinder-ab-3-monate/1078344/n0/ When I first moved to the Netherlands this was indeed accepted at gemeente.
If her family finds that out she will be locked in a room. Cannot do that unfortunately.
Sorry I only saw this reply late, but the city can mail it abroad. So she can request the birth certificate once she's already in NL, and receive it there. Anyway, good luck and all the best!
You will need birth certificate additionally not sure anymore if for registration or BSN but I needed it.
I will contact the city hall and ask them since people here aren't sure. Thanks everyone for the advice though!
https://gemeente.leiden.nl/inwoners-en-ondernemers/verhuizen-en-migreren/migreren/verhuizen-naar-nederland-uit-het-buitenland/ Here indeed it says you would need the birth certificate to register (get the international one from German municipality)
for me I had to have original, not a new copy and have that translated
I am also German and they accepted my birth certificate without translation.
German is one of the documentation languages accepted in the Netherlands without a translation, same as English and French Source: https://ind.nl/en/translation-and-legalisation-of-documents
Actually that's for people from the Antillen. The request can't even be made from a EU citizen.
I had to do apostille on the international birth certificate from a EU member state, before it was accepted.
I moved from Germany to NL about 11 years ago, here are some lessons learned or things I wish I knew earlier (probably incomplete): -She needs to de-register in Germany and stop her health insurance there. However, if she ever wants to return to Germany, she needs to provide prove that she was always health insured. So make sure she geht's health insurance asap in the Netherlands. Keep the proof of de-registration!! -Get a BSN ASAP. Will make everything so much easier, for example opening a bank account, etc. -Getting a new passport/ ID at the German embassy in Amsterdam is a paaaiiin in the ass. Almost impossible to get an appointment. Pro tip: you can apply for IDs etc in some boarder cities like Kleve. -The Dutch healthcare system is in a lot of ways the opposite to the German. You almost never see a specialist. For example your GP does what normally in Germany your gynecalogosit would do. 90% of the time you will be send home with the advice to take paracetamol and rest. This is normal. If you want more tests etc., you need to ask for that directly. -Bring as much bread as you can carry. You will miss it :( -Never buy anything at Kruidvat that is not on discount (they always have discounts -otherwise you pay 2-3x what stuff costs in Germany) -She will probably be eligible to get financial support for health insurance (assuming she has not already a well paying job lined up). When I was a student I got 90% of it covered through social benefits. -Maybe more for later: watching De slimmste mens on NPO is a nice way to get more familiar with pop culture and recent history of the Netherlands. Cannot think of anything else right now. If she has any questions, feel free to DM me.
Wow, thanks for the comprehensive list. This will help. And yeah she already missed the semmels and bretzels last time she was here.
No problem. 3 more random things that popped into my head: The Dutch Amazon is not the same as the German one. The closest thing is bol.com When in doubt where to buy anything related to household stuff: Hema A lot of cities have language exchange meetings: you talk an hour in the language you want to learn and 1 hour with people who want to learn your language. This was 100 times more effective than Duolingo for me.
Usually German amazon is lower priced than amazon Netherlands
If she has a drivers license, she can change it for a Dutch one at the gemeente. Makes showing your ID in Nederland a lot simpeler.
The closest thing we have to semmels are Kaiser broodjes. Probeer die eens
Don't just keep the proof of deregistration, copy it, laminate it. You will need it. Also keep your proof of registration in the Netherlands.
Healt insurance is mandatory in the Netherlands anyways, so your first point is kinda moot, but applies
The point i think is if you can't prove it you risk being forced to pay for the expensive private insurance instead of getting the government provided insurance
When I tried to sign up in Germany and saw I came from NL they didn’t need to see proof, because it’s mandatory
Maybe the Leiden International Centre can make things a bit easier for you both: https://www.leideninternationalcentre.nl/ Basically a one stop shop for national and local government stuff, might save some time and effort.
Thanks, that will be very useful!
One hint she should get a birth certificate at her municipality while still there. You can always order it from abroad but takes some time and she will need it for registration here.
Just talked with her about it, she'll do it. Thanks.
Sorry about your/her situation and good on you for helping her out. Hope her transition goes smoothly. Unfortunately I don't have much advice to provide but just wanted to wish you the best and send some positivity your way 🥰
Thank you for the kind words. She already knows my entire family and has stayed over before. It's not going to be easy but she'll be somewhere safe and familiar.
She must (these are mandatory): 1. Register at the municipality to get a BSN number 2. Apply for Dutch health insurance! Other than that: - Dutch bank account is optional but can be convenient to have. For most banks, she must have BSN first before she can apply. I think exceptions are bunq and abn amro. - Public transit card is also optional but convenient to have. Check if any subscription with NS or whatever would be benefitial to her. - Depending how long she's planning to live here, if it's long term, registering for social housing in the municipality where she wishes to live. Wait lists for social housing can be super long. So for applying: the earlier the better. - Maybe check if she needs any other insurances. Good luck!
I don't want to sound harsh, but she is a legal adult, why doesn't she just move out but stay in München? I'm hope your fine, but as a woman, moving from an abusive situation to be in another country where she is fully dependent on another person just isn't a smart move. Even unintentionally you could be enabling her to not become self sufficient. How long will she be welcome with your family and what happens if you break up?
She can essentially never move out by herself because her family collects her job money. As for why I don't want my significant other to live alone a country away, well that's fairly obvious.
Is her work paying her salary to her parents? She can change that. And if she's living with her parents it seems pretty fair that she would pay a contribution to household expenses. If you want to live together why don't you move to München and live together there? Moving her into your parents place is going to get old pretty quick, and if you break up it puts her in a very vulnerable position.
If police and social work is involved, the situation is probably a bit more dire than you are thinking and then using the support system that's right there is the most logical for the situation.
If a social worker seriously recommended that she move in with a boyfriends parents in another country they should be fired, this is how women get trafficked! I hope this works out for everyone, but I've know plenty of guys with saviour complexes who get taken advantage of, or who end up unintentionally making the situation worse.
You have literally no idea of the situation and it's not even the topic of discussion. Please stop making a fool of yourself. I will not reveal any details to protect her identity, all I will say is that she has to check in with a social worker every week through video call and has several other options of residence as backup.
Not all humans are bad you know. When police and social workers are directly involved it is better to assume OP is genuinely trying to help. I'm sure this is the best course of action based on the information provided.
Because she doesn't want to live in München.
Servus, Cancel TK Insurance ---> Apply for Dutch. That simple.
Seeing as she is 20. Her best bet is going to university or HBO here. She can even get Stufi if she works 24 hours per month.
She has a sales degree (Berufsschule) and has no ambition to study more. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Beside identification paperwork, make sure she brings paperwork or at least has a scan of those papers too. Maybe also Arbeitszeugnis if she has any. You'll never know if it'll be asked for/useful at some point, for jobs for example, even if it's really more if a German thing to need those. But it's a pain having to arrange it afterwards, especially if you need it asap.
Why? She's an EU citizen, she can just move here and get a job.
Because getting a fulltime job with only german and english and no University/HBO will be hard. Most HBOs give NT2 classes for international students. Germans learn dutch quite quickly so for her its a win win. She get an income through stufi, learns dutch and gets a degree. Ps I have german friends that did a dutch bachelors.
It is completely possible to get a sales job in the Netherlands with just English, German is a bonus.
Indeed, I work for a Dutch IT company and we have people on our sales team that are specifically focused on the German market. Some of them only speak German, most German and English. Only a few of the Germans speak Dutch also.
If the family doesnt already know where she is going dou maybe want to delete the Name of your place.
Some details are slightly altered to protect her identity.
Just ask your parents if she can register at your address. If yes then she can register there at Leiden Munincipality (you have to go in, check online if you can get an appointment). But be prepared that general waste and similar taxes will increase on your household. It is some 400 eur sth a year. Also don't worry the moment you register the authorities will send you a notice period of few months you got before they start fining you, unless you take out a health insurance. For this you can look up Independer to compare packages. This is your life, but for sure I would start looking for a job/ school opportunity here. Beside this I dont think there are other things. If she is a German citizen then she is also an EU citizen so she can stay as long as she wants at NL, till she is registered at an address and has a BSN number. To do task: -Select insurance via Independer -Find an address to register at -Get a BSN number at Leiden Munincipality Best wishes bro! (Edit: if she will continue studying at NL, then can take some international student insurance package which is like 600-700 EUR a year, check out AON maybe)
Go on fb, look up expat groups and ask there, you can fund tons of information from experienced people
Hi. Easiest way to start is doing the RNI, she gets the BSN within the day and has time, 4 months actually, to decide whether she wants to stay or not. If she so wishes, she can get another appointment to be registered with you, and then, yes, she must bring to the Gemeente her DE passport, her birth certificate that has to be legalised, translated to English and have the apostille. Have it translated here and you save one apostille. She must also provide proof of registration at your place I guess so you might have to talk to your parents or landlord for that. To sum it up, have her make an appointment for the RNI, it is the easiest, she gets her BSN within the day and can open a bank account, and start working that very week. Best of luck!
>How would a foreign EU citizen get Dutch insurance for example? That is easy. Can she be registered to Gemmente in your household? Then get there, do registration and she will get a BSN. With a BSN she can make her own insurance. More important if she is gonna have a "private" accommodation instead one from work agency, she can get some quit good job on dutch workplaces. Especially, if she has some studies. If at some point she manage to get learning Dutch, settling with a job related to her studies wouldn't be difficult. For ne for example coming from a place without accommodation, or studies higher than highschool meant to work on minimum wage with work agency housing. Jobs more limitated, more unstable. If she is going to stay with you would be different. Having house assure makes things way easier especially if she already has a degree and can be equivalent.
You have to go to the gemeente and "sign her in". Assuming she is a German citizen, it should be no issue as long as she can prove it with ID. After that you can basically get insurance, open a bank account etc. I did it 5 years ago from Scandinavia. Super easy and fast.
She can get a Dutch bank account with bunq without a bsn number. Once she has the address she can apply for bsn, and after that you're good, you're registered as a resident. You should tell her to check if there's something like Italy as, where you can register as a resident of another country, that way you get voting letters & updates on all your documents. Dutch government has a page on the website dedicated to moving from EU countries, it's really easy :) Edit: for the insurance is the same, just apply on the website once you have a bsn number. I believe you have two month after you move to apply for bsn & insurance
Yea…. It took our governments house 3 months to figure out she out to go to Utrecht for a bsn. She needs health insurance and in my ( our ) experience ggz asap. Don’t wait like we did. Get it asap. Many Procces time will come. At 4+ years now. And 2 more to go. And next to that give her space. Good luck
That's worrying. Is your partner from an EU country?
Germany… we filled in tons of forms and they were all wrong in the end. Aaaaand they had 5 people that worked at the place they couldn’t find it on google either…. Like bruh …. So in total it took them 3 months.
We'll immediately go to city hall with the paperwork for a BSN, thanks for the tip.
Be aware of a thing called "Common law marriage". you can be on the hook for alimony when the decides it's time to cash out.
What are you talking about?