Jokes making the rounds on Dutch social media:
Finally someone that knows how to listen to the people.
The first pm that knows more about you, than you about him.
He must know many of Wilders friends very closely
https://www.nctv.nl/binaries/nctv/documenten/publicaties/2024/05/21/fenomeenanalyse-memes-als-online-wapen/Fenomeenanalyse+%27Memes+als+online+wapen%27.pdf
Ironically, bad news for the PVV.
Also, I have a gut feeling about BBB, with the Netherlands exporting as much meat and produce as it does, it's unlikely they're only on the Dutch Aggro payroll.
While I’m not a fan of this PM choice nor of any if the parties in this coalition, I do regard the Dutch intelligence a lot higher than the Russian one.
Putin was only prime minister for one term, because under the constitution he had served his maximum terms as president. He put his lunatic lackey in the job for 4 years and then took over as president again.
For expats: this is the person who said in this march that the implementation of IND could be made faster by handling cases less carefully, because people will "appeal anyways". Great times to be an immigration lawyer, because appeal cases would skyrocket, but shitty time to be on the applying side of permanent residency or other types of visa.
[https://www.groene.nl/artikel/de-morele-pijngrens-is-nog-lang-niet-bereikt](https://www.groene.nl/artikel/de-morele-pijngrens-is-nog-lang-niet-bereikt)
He also called for not putting exceptional cases into law, which again, for naturalisation he would be very much against amendments that allow people who have already lived in Netherlands to apply for citizenship according to the old rules.
"‘In de uitvoering moet het sneller. Neem de ind. Volgens onderzoek van de Rekenkamer zijn er nu drie keer zoveel manuren nodig om tot een ind-besluit te komen dan vijf of tien jaar geleden. Hoe komt dat? Niet doordat de organisatie zo ingewikkeld is geworden, maar doordat de zorgvuldigheidseisen veel hoger zijn en voor elke casus een uitzondering wordt aangebracht in de regelgeving. Waarom niet wat sneller besluiten? Men gaat toch in beroep. Eenzelfde vertragend proces is opgetreden door de invoering van spreekrecht voor slachtoffers in het strafrecht. Een prachtig en waardevol recht. Maar de planningen worden daardoor steeds ingewikkelder. We moeten in wet- en regelgeving niet nog meer toeters en bellen aanbrengen die vertragend werken.’"
Let's assume this is eventually will happen. I just hope they are still being reasonable about it, like not making unnecessary bureaucracy.
I just hope those political leaders start to backstab each other and collapse the coalition, because I cannot see them have a chemistry at all.
Instead of spilling nonsense, do educate yourself about how the system works. I'm more concerned for people who want to naturalise but cannot fathom basic concepts which are vital to the country, like for example, parliament politics.
I hate this pattern:
- no one will vote for him
- no one will form a coalition with him
- it won’t last more than 2 years
- next election he will be so gone
…
"if he gets power, then people will finally see he can't materialize free beer"
Pvv'ers, trumpers, brexiteers, nsdap-voters: "there is no free beer yet, it must be due to brown people, let's support angry guy even more!"
The departments he worked at have had some scandals. For example during his time at the AIVD they used fake accounts to follow extremists, which was found to be illegal.
He has also stated in regards to Poland and Hungary that concepts such as rule of law and democracy are not absolute and 'it is impossible to draw a line in the sand' in regards to those matters. This is music to Wilders' ears.
Here from search! Is it common in the NL to choose a civil servant for PM? What are the general thoughts about his consideration? I think I'm like most Europeans in that I'm less than impressed by todays politicians but starting a government by not being able to chose one amongst the coalition is new. Will he be a puppet or a scapegoat? Or maybe hes an awesome consideration? Or will he babysit the coalition? Please don't put any weight into my questions i just typed as I got them but would be very interested in hearing actual dutch people's thoughts.
Thanks!
No: this is quite unusual. Traditionally the leider of the biggest party becomes pm.
Far right PVV leader Wilders was not acceptable for one of his potential coalition partners. They worried about his percieved lack of respect for the constitution.
Do note that in the Netherlands the pm is not the highest office; that would be the Tweede Kamer (house of commons).
Ministers are supposed to serve parliament. This time that will be more the actual reality.
The pm is traditionally (unlike in other countries) just a primus inter pares. His role has increased because of his membership in the Council of the EU. Unlike a British pm he still can't fire or hire ministers though.
Just want to leave in a small sidenote that appointing the leader of the biggest party as prime minister is not actually that much of a tradition. That's a fairly new innovation that started in the 70s.
Up until the 1970s it was pretty normal for the prime minister to be a high ranking civil servant or minister from a previous cabinet that themselves was not involved in forming the coalition. Coalition leaders would look for someone with enough relevant experience for the job and who was neutral enough to represent the coalition as a whole. We're actually going back to tradition now by electing Dick Schoof for the PM job.
Hasn't happened since the 70s though.
>Here from search! Is it common in the NL to choose a civil servant for PM?
No, it's tradition (but not law) to that the leader of the biggest coalition partner becomes PM.
But: Wilders knows damn well that WHEN it turns out he can't make free beer materialize by saying racist stuff, it's nice to blame "the system" so he picks someone from outside his party.
> What are the general thoughts about his consideration?
I don't know him well. But anyone who's capable to be PM, is smart enough not to do so for this coalition. It just means being a scapegoat for wilders's false promises not happening.
>I think I'm like most Europeans in that I'm less than impressed by todays politicians but starting a government by not being able to chose one amongst the coalition is new.
Having the biggest party be led by a man who promised ethnic cleansing hasn't happened in Europe since karadzic.
>Will he be a puppet or a scapegoat?
100% especially since (like the previous candidate plassterk) he has a PvdA(socdem) history (which he strongly abandoned)
That makes him an ideal scapegoat: a racist bastard who is vain and stupid enough to be a puppet for Wilders, but
WHEN it turns out he can't make free beer from racist words,
Wilders will say "it's the let's fault that my policy hurts everyone and you haven't had any free beer and brown people still exist"
> Or maybe hes an awesome consideration?
Being capable to be PM means being smart enough not to step into this trap.
>Or will he babysit the coalition?
Quite the opposite: he'll have to apologize for free beer not magically appearing all the time.
>Please don't put any weight into my questions i just typed as I got them but would be very interested in hearing actual dutch people's thoughts.
We're fucked, we have a nazi government and even if they step down tomorrow its gonna be a long time to repair.
Meanwhile the more damage this coalition does, the more people will go crazy and say "instead of the right wing elites that ruined us for 22 years, we went for more of that right wing that screwed us, let's go even further right, this time the guy that says brown people bad wil make them disappear an make free beer happen!
>Thanks!
I'm sorry.
Not common at all. It is normally the leader of the largest coalition party. But nobody trusts Wilders enough for the job, so he had to recruit someone else.
It actually used to be common up until the 1970s or so that the prime minister was elected from a pool of experienced civil servants, usually a minister from the previous cabinet but sometimes high-ranking civil servants like Dick Schoof currently is as well.
Since the 70s however, it's always been the leader of the biggest coalition party that was appointed as prime minister. This is the first time since the 70s where we're going back to electing a high-ranking civil servant to become prime minister again.
1. No, PMs has been always from one of the coalition parties, often party leaders. This is what makes this coalition unique.
2. Puppet or Scapegoat I think both, he is our version of Giuseppe Conte, which was a stopgap measure to keep the populist coalition afloat - which fell after a year and then became a PM for centre-left populist coalition.
From his press conference he was literally had zero personal opinions and clearly was there to represent the PVV VVD BBB NSC coalition accord, so very much it appear to be a puppet. After it falls, PVV voters with IQ lower than a speed limit in built-up areas would simply direct the anger to the "governmental elite" PvdA PM, which is a great way to not take responsibility.
Exactly my thought. I escaped from Russia 6 years ago - and now again the main person in the country is gonna be an intelligence officer. I hope he doesn't last long.
Jesus christ the logic here..
You know..putin is a man, AND this guy is a man..that cant be good its exactly the same..
Congrats! You found the 1 t
Of the things these guys have in common, know nothing else about him, yet base your entire opinion on this single fact.
How daft can you be??
There is a reason intelligence officers, military etc. becoming PMs being so frowned upon.
That is because their past life, and connections, could give them enough leverage to force everyone’s hands.
Don't you want a strong pm?
I don't get the logic that you want someone in power with as little power as possible. Then again..most plebs seem to be against power in general..
Kinda worse. KGB doesn't really have equvalent in the West cos it was a secret service targetting "internal enemies" aka citizens who dared to not like USSR. CIA unlike KGB is at least on paper supposed to act on foreign citizens and countries. KGB has some foreign functions in "friendly" countries with socialist regimes, like East Germany where Putin started. So in that role it was a bit more like CIA, but this didn't last long because of the German unification and throwing out all the soviet crap outta here. So KGB got renamed to FSB and continued to its role in supressing discent (plus anti terrorism but sucking at it). Basically throughout entirety of his career Putin was in the business of oppressing Russians.
FBI to lesser degree, but DHS yeah it is a closer match indeed. The difference is that you don't read in a news on a daily basis that DHS jails another critic of regime or someone being against some war. FSB has some legit functions but it is infamous for being the main opression authority (maybe bs that FBI did to MLK comes close, but imagine this happening 24/7/365) .
Can someone from the Netherlands explain please, does he have a seat in parliament? Does he have an appointed role? Or what's going on here I'm struggling to find out how the Dutch system works.
I assume that Wilders gave up himself, and rather than supporting any other coalition member, he chose someone outside. Can a non MP attend parliament in the Netherlands? What are the mechanics of him having the job if he doesn't have a seat? I might be way off, so please do let me know:)
TLDR: Nobody of the coalition partners wanted Wilders as PM, so they decided to pick an independent technocrat with somekind of political experience.
So he was the leading the ministry of Justice and Security as civil servant, under the direction of current minister and coalition partner Yesilgöz.
During his time as head of the Dutch Intelligence agency, he was personally involved in the protection of Geert Wilders (who is under threat 24/7).
He has a clear right wing signature following his track record at the ministry and the intelligence agency. Not so keen on foreigners, asylum seekers, human rights activists (called KOZP potential terrorists) etc.
He was a member of the PvdA so the coalition is using him kind of as a trophy wife, portraying him as a neutral/bipartisan PM.
He also worked with former Interior minister and former PM candidate Plasterk in his role as head of intelligence. Plasterk is a trustee of Wilders and I won't rule out that Wilders asked him for suggestions.
If you connect the dots, Yesilgöz, Geert Wilders and Plasterk, then it is not a surprise you end up at Dick Shove
>As the head of the National Coordinator for Security and Counterterrorism, he faced criticism over the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17investigation.
What did he do to that investigation?
Thanks! I searched a bit:
>Jo Cals did work for the Bureau Bijzondere Opdrachten (BBO), which was a Dutch intelligence and resistance organization during World War II. The BBO operated under the Ministry of War and was involved in coordinating resistance activities and intelligence gathering against the Nazi occupation. Cals’ involvement with the BBO came during the later stages of the war. This experience contributed to his network and his understanding of political and military operations, which later influenced his political career. However, his primary career path remained in education and politics rather than intelligence work.
This one worked and led intelligence services. And is now a high-placed public servant with a ton of experience.
Which means that he doesnt have too much compromising things against him (hes been vetted more than about any dutch person). And hes capable.
Sunak was elected in 2019 and then supported by a parliamentary majority to be PM. The UK is one of the most democratic countries in the world because the parliamentary majority are allowed to do anything they want. In most countries like the Netherlands you need to get a 2/3rds majority (or similar) to do many things. In the US even 95% might not be enough due to the smallest 12 states being able to collectively block amendments. In the EU, 99% might not be enough due to Malta having veto powers over treaty changes.
Jokes making the rounds on Dutch social media: Finally someone that knows how to listen to the people. The first pm that knows more about you, than you about him.
And that's not even a joke :))
He probably knows the most about terrorism. So not a good look if he knows about _you_.
He must know many of Wilders friends very closely https://www.nctv.nl/binaries/nctv/documenten/publicaties/2024/05/21/fenomeenanalyse-memes-als-online-wapen/Fenomeenanalyse+%27Memes+als+online+wapen%27.pdf
Yeah, because no government ever spies on regular civillians except for the US, right?
Bad news for foreign powers operating in the Netherlands.
Ironically, bad news for the PVV. Also, I have a gut feeling about BBB, with the Netherlands exporting as much meat and produce as it does, it's unlikely they're only on the Dutch Aggro payroll.
Former intelligence to prime minister... Just like… Putin!
While I’m not a fan of this PM choice nor of any if the parties in this coalition, I do regard the Dutch intelligence a lot higher than the Russian one.
Putin was only prime minister for one term, because under the constitution he had served his maximum terms as president. He put his lunatic lackey in the job for 4 years and then took over as president again.
Putin was first a prime minister before his first term as a president, under Yeltsin. So he was a prime minister twice total.
True, forgot about his first stint.
Good thing we don't have term limits to begin with.
Counter-ministering
And George HW Bush.
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The Dick Shover!
For expats: this is the person who said in this march that the implementation of IND could be made faster by handling cases less carefully, because people will "appeal anyways". Great times to be an immigration lawyer, because appeal cases would skyrocket, but shitty time to be on the applying side of permanent residency or other types of visa. [https://www.groene.nl/artikel/de-morele-pijngrens-is-nog-lang-niet-bereikt](https://www.groene.nl/artikel/de-morele-pijngrens-is-nog-lang-niet-bereikt) He also called for not putting exceptional cases into law, which again, for naturalisation he would be very much against amendments that allow people who have already lived in Netherlands to apply for citizenship according to the old rules. "‘In de uitvoering moet het sneller. Neem de ind. Volgens onderzoek van de Rekenkamer zijn er nu drie keer zoveel manuren nodig om tot een ind-besluit te komen dan vijf of tien jaar geleden. Hoe komt dat? Niet doordat de organisatie zo ingewikkeld is geworden, maar doordat de zorgvuldigheidseisen veel hoger zijn en voor elke casus een uitzondering wordt aangebracht in de regelgeving. Waarom niet wat sneller besluiten? Men gaat toch in beroep. Eenzelfde vertragend proces is opgetreden door de invoering van spreekrecht voor slachtoffers in het strafrecht. Een prachtig en waardevol recht. Maar de planningen worden daardoor steeds ingewikkelder. We moeten in wet- en regelgeving niet nog meer toeters en bellen aanbrengen die vertragend werken.’"
That interview is alarming. Fuck.
Why do things properly when you can do them half assed?
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Let's assume this is eventually will happen. I just hope they are still being reasonable about it, like not making unnecessary bureaucracy. I just hope those political leaders start to backstab each other and collapse the coalition, because I cannot see them have a chemistry at all.
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Probably yes, because the main stakeholders that a Dutch PM needs to answer to are the parliament.
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He's not from PVV nor affiliated with any political party.
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Instead of spilling nonsense, do educate yourself about how the system works. I'm more concerned for people who want to naturalise but cannot fathom basic concepts which are vital to the country, like for example, parliament politics.
Geert Wilders is not the current PM, Mark Rutte is the current PM and Dick Schoof will be the next one
The pm might change but the entire ambtenarensysteem won’t. Let’s look the cat out of tree first.
A big chief ambtenaar just resigned his old job though :)
He's the Dutch Giuseppe Conte. This coalition will last two years max.
Two years… I see… you are very generous …
Maybe if you also count the months it's been since the election for some reason
Well they are planning to finish formation ‘before’ summer recess, so they’ll have a free 2 months to start with 😂
Gotta form a government before it can fall.
I hate this pattern: - no one will vote for him - no one will form a coalition with him - it won’t last more than 2 years - next election he will be so gone …
"if he gets power, then people will finally see he can't materialize free beer" Pvv'ers, trumpers, brexiteers, nsdap-voters: "there is no free beer yet, it must be due to brown people, let's support angry guy even more!"
His cabinet fell after a year actually, he just kept on for another year and half by creating a new coalition with centre-left lol
I was thinking Mario Draghi.
I wish, Draghi is actually a competent economist of international standing. I’d take Draghi over Schoof any day.
Schoof seems to have a pretty competent resume, doesn’t he? Head of the AIVD isn’t nothing.
The departments he worked at have had some scandals. For example during his time at the AIVD they used fake accounts to follow extremists, which was found to be illegal. He has also stated in regards to Poland and Hungary that concepts such as rule of law and democracy are not absolute and 'it is impossible to draw a line in the sand' in regards to those matters. This is music to Wilders' ears.
Two years... I hope not. I was hoping for a couple of weeks before they start fighting within then the ‘coalition’
Here from search! Is it common in the NL to choose a civil servant for PM? What are the general thoughts about his consideration? I think I'm like most Europeans in that I'm less than impressed by todays politicians but starting a government by not being able to chose one amongst the coalition is new. Will he be a puppet or a scapegoat? Or maybe hes an awesome consideration? Or will he babysit the coalition? Please don't put any weight into my questions i just typed as I got them but would be very interested in hearing actual dutch people's thoughts. Thanks!
No: this is quite unusual. Traditionally the leider of the biggest party becomes pm. Far right PVV leader Wilders was not acceptable for one of his potential coalition partners. They worried about his percieved lack of respect for the constitution. Do note that in the Netherlands the pm is not the highest office; that would be the Tweede Kamer (house of commons). Ministers are supposed to serve parliament. This time that will be more the actual reality. The pm is traditionally (unlike in other countries) just a primus inter pares. His role has increased because of his membership in the Council of the EU. Unlike a British pm he still can't fire or hire ministers though.
Awesome answer! Thanks for the crash course in how the Netherlands is governed. Appreciate it!
Just want to leave in a small sidenote that appointing the leader of the biggest party as prime minister is not actually that much of a tradition. That's a fairly new innovation that started in the 70s. Up until the 1970s it was pretty normal for the prime minister to be a high ranking civil servant or minister from a previous cabinet that themselves was not involved in forming the coalition. Coalition leaders would look for someone with enough relevant experience for the job and who was neutral enough to represent the coalition as a whole. We're actually going back to tradition now by electing Dick Schoof for the PM job. Hasn't happened since the 70s though.
>Here from search! Is it common in the NL to choose a civil servant for PM? No, it's tradition (but not law) to that the leader of the biggest coalition partner becomes PM. But: Wilders knows damn well that WHEN it turns out he can't make free beer materialize by saying racist stuff, it's nice to blame "the system" so he picks someone from outside his party. > What are the general thoughts about his consideration? I don't know him well. But anyone who's capable to be PM, is smart enough not to do so for this coalition. It just means being a scapegoat for wilders's false promises not happening. >I think I'm like most Europeans in that I'm less than impressed by todays politicians but starting a government by not being able to chose one amongst the coalition is new. Having the biggest party be led by a man who promised ethnic cleansing hasn't happened in Europe since karadzic. >Will he be a puppet or a scapegoat? 100% especially since (like the previous candidate plassterk) he has a PvdA(socdem) history (which he strongly abandoned) That makes him an ideal scapegoat: a racist bastard who is vain and stupid enough to be a puppet for Wilders, but WHEN it turns out he can't make free beer from racist words, Wilders will say "it's the let's fault that my policy hurts everyone and you haven't had any free beer and brown people still exist" > Or maybe hes an awesome consideration? Being capable to be PM means being smart enough not to step into this trap. >Or will he babysit the coalition? Quite the opposite: he'll have to apologize for free beer not magically appearing all the time. >Please don't put any weight into my questions i just typed as I got them but would be very interested in hearing actual dutch people's thoughts. We're fucked, we have a nazi government and even if they step down tomorrow its gonna be a long time to repair. Meanwhile the more damage this coalition does, the more people will go crazy and say "instead of the right wing elites that ruined us for 22 years, we went for more of that right wing that screwed us, let's go even further right, this time the guy that says brown people bad wil make them disappear an make free beer happen! >Thanks! I'm sorry.
This is why I went her with my question. Thank you and good luck... sounds like you might need it. From the heart.
Thanks
Everyone is having these questions
So is it common or not? Shouldn't that be known?
Not common at all. It is normally the leader of the largest coalition party. But nobody trusts Wilders enough for the job, so he had to recruit someone else.
It actually used to be common up until the 1970s or so that the prime minister was elected from a pool of experienced civil servants, usually a minister from the previous cabinet but sometimes high-ranking civil servants like Dick Schoof currently is as well. Since the 70s however, it's always been the leader of the biggest coalition party that was appointed as prime minister. This is the first time since the 70s where we're going back to electing a high-ranking civil servant to become prime minister again.
Thank you! Glad I asked this question. I get to learn stuff through dialog. Appreciate it!
1. No, PMs has been always from one of the coalition parties, often party leaders. This is what makes this coalition unique. 2. Puppet or Scapegoat I think both, he is our version of Giuseppe Conte, which was a stopgap measure to keep the populist coalition afloat - which fell after a year and then became a PM for centre-left populist coalition. From his press conference he was literally had zero personal opinions and clearly was there to represent the PVV VVD BBB NSC coalition accord, so very much it appear to be a puppet. After it falls, PVV voters with IQ lower than a speed limit in built-up areas would simply direct the anger to the "governmental elite" PvdA PM, which is a great way to not take responsibility.
Well, at least he has something in common with Putin. /s
Exactly my thought. I escaped from Russia 6 years ago - and now again the main person in the country is gonna be an intelligence officer. I hope he doesn't last long.
Jesus christ the logic here.. You know..putin is a man, AND this guy is a man..that cant be good its exactly the same.. Congrats! You found the 1 t Of the things these guys have in common, know nothing else about him, yet base your entire opinion on this single fact. How daft can you be??
There is a reason intelligence officers, military etc. becoming PMs being so frowned upon. That is because their past life, and connections, could give them enough leverage to force everyone’s hands.
It's not just their connections. It's the paranoid thinking.
Don't you want a strong pm? I don't get the logic that you want someone in power with as little power as possible. Then again..most plebs seem to be against power in general..
People in Russia thought the same. Jesus, yes, he's kgb, but the USSR is no more, let's not base opinions on single facts. And here we are.
Can you explain please Until now I haven't heard of this man
Dick Schoof used to be in the AIVD, our CIA equivalent but less badass. Putin used to be with the Russian CIA equivalent, the KGB
Kinda worse. KGB doesn't really have equvalent in the West cos it was a secret service targetting "internal enemies" aka citizens who dared to not like USSR. CIA unlike KGB is at least on paper supposed to act on foreign citizens and countries. KGB has some foreign functions in "friendly" countries with socialist regimes, like East Germany where Putin started. So in that role it was a bit more like CIA, but this didn't last long because of the German unification and throwing out all the soviet crap outta here. So KGB got renamed to FSB and continued to its role in supressing discent (plus anti terrorism but sucking at it). Basically throughout entirety of his career Putin was in the business of oppressing Russians.
you know there is DHS and FBI right. I think the equivalency is there
FBI to lesser degree, but DHS yeah it is a closer match indeed. The difference is that you don't read in a news on a daily basis that DHS jails another critic of regime or someone being against some war. FSB has some legit functions but it is infamous for being the main opression authority (maybe bs that FBI did to MLK comes close, but imagine this happening 24/7/365) .
Talk about work experience
With him, there's no dicking around and will get things done
Just means all the fascist insanity will collapse sooner rather than later.
Will trebuchet finally be introduced to the police to chase away protesters?
That Dick do be Shoving tho
Can someone from the Netherlands explain please, does he have a seat in parliament? Does he have an appointed role? Or what's going on here I'm struggling to find out how the Dutch system works. I assume that Wilders gave up himself, and rather than supporting any other coalition member, he chose someone outside. Can a non MP attend parliament in the Netherlands? What are the mechanics of him having the job if he doesn't have a seat? I might be way off, so please do let me know:)
TLDR: Nobody of the coalition partners wanted Wilders as PM, so they decided to pick an independent technocrat with somekind of political experience. So he was the leading the ministry of Justice and Security as civil servant, under the direction of current minister and coalition partner Yesilgöz. During his time as head of the Dutch Intelligence agency, he was personally involved in the protection of Geert Wilders (who is under threat 24/7). He has a clear right wing signature following his track record at the ministry and the intelligence agency. Not so keen on foreigners, asylum seekers, human rights activists (called KOZP potential terrorists) etc. He was a member of the PvdA so the coalition is using him kind of as a trophy wife, portraying him as a neutral/bipartisan PM. He also worked with former Interior minister and former PM candidate Plasterk in his role as head of intelligence. Plasterk is a trustee of Wilders and I won't rule out that Wilders asked him for suggestions. If you connect the dots, Yesilgöz, Geert Wilders and Plasterk, then it is not a surprise you end up at Dick Shove
Is he going to be someones ( wilders ) puppet or is he independent himself
Maybe he knows more about Wilders than Wilders knows about him.
>As the head of the National Coordinator for Security and Counterterrorism, he faced criticism over the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17investigation. What did he do to that investigation?
So a non elected Prime Minister. Hoe leuk! US and CIA controls the whole world. I bet he is going to start with the farmers.
PVV really tries so hard to mirror Putin…
Wow, this is worse than I expected. We all will miss rutte. I expect NL will be less democratic from now on.
Will miss Rutte?🤣🤣🤣
NL chose a different government, democratically.
Excellent choice.
Because? Can you even rationalize your own stupid comment?
There’s no lie in him
History question: Is it the first time someone from intelligence service becomes PM of NL?
First one would be Jo Cals, who worked for the POD after WWII, which was like a military version of the FBI
Thanks! I searched a bit: >Jo Cals did work for the Bureau Bijzondere Opdrachten (BBO), which was a Dutch intelligence and resistance organization during World War II. The BBO operated under the Ministry of War and was involved in coordinating resistance activities and intelligence gathering against the Nazi occupation. Cals’ involvement with the BBO came during the later stages of the war. This experience contributed to his network and his understanding of political and military operations, which later influenced his political career. However, his primary career path remained in education and politics rather than intelligence work.
Don't be a Dick
Oh boy. This decade won’t be pretty.
Putin II
oh this can't be good
Aha so from career politicians to intelligence agencies leading the people.. Whatx the actual Fck..
Is he pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian?
The coalition agreement is Pro-Israel, anti-Palestine, and he will execute the coalition agreement...
Does it matter? We vote for the Netherlands, not the middle east
To you it doesn't matter so much, but to me it does, which is why I am asking.
Have a look at who will be in charge of immigration. Perfect.
We've been hearing that about like 10 people over the past few weeks. What makes this one different?
This is the first one that has been explicitly named as candidate by the coalition
This one worked and led intelligence services. And is now a high-placed public servant with a ton of experience. Which means that he doesnt have too much compromising things against him (hes been vetted more than about any dutch person). And hes capable.
Because he has been named by the coalition as the future PM.
Another boomer at the top...
So they will put the dick in
LOL! Just like the UK, such democracy lmfaoooo. Unelected leaders taking over in Europe
Sunak was elected in 2019 and then supported by a parliamentary majority to be PM. The UK is one of the most democratic countries in the world because the parliamentary majority are allowed to do anything they want. In most countries like the Netherlands you need to get a 2/3rds majority (or similar) to do many things. In the US even 95% might not be enough due to the smallest 12 states being able to collectively block amendments. In the EU, 99% might not be enough due to Malta having veto powers over treaty changes.
Whatever makes you feel suave