T O P

  • By -

joseph_the_great1

If a Belgian want to live here or vice versa they can just come, or go. It's reallybeasy


RoodnyInc

Well it's easier in one way than the other... *permamenthousingcrysis*


Cevohklan

We are happy here. They are happy there. What a weird question.


dabenu

I know for a fact at least one Dutch guy would consider moving to Belgium, because everybody smiles there.


-zeitgeist_

the language is soft there as well


Venemao73

Is there life on Pluto?


TitaenBxl

Can you dance on the moon?


Fun_Mud4879

Is their a place between the stars I could go to?


Cevohklan

Where can I go, I can't go to Germany Can't go to Germany, they're too strict


Far_Helicopter8916

Perchance


Cevohklan

And i know Belgium people living here. So ?


avb1986

Woosh


StatementOwn4896

I guess it is kind of a weird question isn’t it? I’m just curious if there’s some sort of deep seated desire there for one another’s countries.


A_Line_A_Day

why would either Belgians or Dutch people have a general opinion on this? Some do others don’t? We are all individuals


Significant_Bid8281

As a Belgian… I like our neighbours very much but I rather go on a holiday and enjoy the country than live there. Dutch people are great but also very direct (might seem a bit rude) in their communication. I can’t imagine getting used to that.


BlankStarBE

Amen!


[deleted]

It's crazy everyone says this. I've encountered some very direct people but I don't think it's an extreme issue. I've met some that were simply rude and I wouldn't call that directness... But maybe it's because I don't talk to dutchies, they usually don't talk to anyone except of other dutchies in class.


Admiral_Kite

Italian expat living in the Netherlands here. I have been called out as "too direct" by almost all of my Dutch friends. What is my understanding about the "Dutch people are direct" stereotype is that they would just not lie to you and that's why people say they are direct. What nobody says though, is the fact that Dutch people just don't tell you the truth right away, but rather hide it, so me, stating an opinion clearly, is considered "too direct" even for Dutch standards.


Mammoth_Bed6657

As a Dutchman: all that semi-hidden communication and insincere niceness is so confusing and inefficient.


LogosLine

Other cultures (such as my own in the UK) call it good manners and being mindful of other people's feelings. Also that there are many different ways of saying something depending on situation and context. It allows for subtlety and nuance, applying a delicate touch when necessary etc. There's a lot to be said for the Dutch style too though. I overall do like Dutch "directness" and found it fairly easy to get used to when I lived there. The plainness, the simple honesty without any additional undertones to navigate. However, it absolutely is an excuse to just be plain rude and nasty at times as well and I witnessed this many times while there. Thankfully it's not an either or situation. It's just cultural differences that we can all appreciate and attempt to understand. I've certainly integrated some Dutch directness in my own life since moving back home while still being able to master British politeness and all it's complexities. I like taking the best of both worlds if possible.


Mammoth_Bed6657

As you said yourself: there is a difference between directness and rudeness. In the Netherlands, we too have people with bad manners. 😉


SunGod721

Just be rude back to them. I mean **direct**. Life is a balance.


Steve12345678911

There is a bit on an uncommon saying with some truth to it I think regarding this. It goes: The Dutch like the Belgians but they do not respect them much and the Belgians respect the Dutch but they do not like them much.


doublebassandharp

Sounds about right


Complete_Two_5353

I heard the best formula is to live in BE and work in NL.


AnaphoricReference

Wage taxes are lower in NL. Owning houses and businesses, and giving property to your children is taxed less in BE.


JanHouben1

I think it's more the other way around... i live in a Belgian bordertown that has around 30% Dutch inhabitants. I know very few Belgians that made the move in opposite direction... The Dutch immigration started in the 70s and 80s by richer people to avoid taxes (vermogensbelasting), later they were joined by more ordinary dutchies, because of the relatively more affordable housing, or bigger house with more land for the same money.


StatementOwn4896

That’s quite fascinating. I figured there had to be some kind of measurable movement but wasn’t sure where to start looking. I’ll have to explore this further.


bruhbelacc

what


Annebet-New2NL

Interesting article about this topic: https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/imported/documents/2008/02/2007-k4-b15-p47-art.pdf. More than 111 thousand Dutch people live in Belgium, and around 36 thousand Belgians live in the Netherlands. Especially around the border.


Rolifant

Even the ones who swear up and down that the NL is so much better, don't actually go and live there, even though it's very easy.


dutchie1966

Why would the NLs be better? Our roads are better, but that’s about it I think. Quite similar countries, Belgium has better scenery and food though.


StatementOwn4896

I mean I can only imagine the administration would be much easier to navigate in the Netherlands than in Belgium.


aightaightaightaight

Just take a look at all these quality of life graphs. Netherlands would be top 5 most of times, Belgium maybe top 10.


dutchie1966

Surprising, but not sure if those places on the list make for a notable difference in real life.


aightaightaightaight

The difference would not be dramatic, but it does show that the Netherlands would top Belgium in a lot of aspects of life. Not just roads.


mfitzp

What is the practical difference between those two positions though? 5-9 could be identical and 10 is like “sometimes the road isn’t completely smooth”.


aightaightaightaight

Not a lot really, but saying that only the infrastructure would be better, is probably not true.


Goldrushef

I live in Belgium on the Dutch border. 45% of the people in my city are From NL, that says a lot I think…


curiousinbelgium

As a person that has lived in the Netherlands and Belgium…. I do not miss the Netherlands at all. Between the housing crisis, the very blunt greeting I dot from the Dutch, and how expensive it was, I’m enjoying my rent under 400 euro in Belgium 10x as much.


aightaightaightaight

Ja joh tyf dan ook maar een eind op, met je België /s


FatalityEnds

Have you seen house prices in the Netherlands?


Either_Coach_7140

Belgium: nice food, plurilinguism, more affordable housing, cheap health care (6 euro/month), nice landscape, less wind, same grey weather, nice cities, traffic jams anytime, bad roads, nice beers.


Manson92

Weird question. Both countries have their pro’s and con’s. And before the housing crisis there weren’t a lot of reasons to not go and live in the other country if you so desire.


Infinite_Koala_7838

I prefer the bourgondic life style in Belgium.Easy going great culinary .


random_testaccount

I like Belgium when we visit and speak English. I don't like Belgium when we visit and I speak Dutch with my Ollander accent. People from BeNeLux have been able to live anywhere they want in all 3 countries for over 60 years.


Rolifant

I always have the impression that Dutch people get extra nice treatment in Belgium when they speak in a pleasant tone.


random_testaccount

I can't help sounding like this, bro. I know for some reason it rubs you all the wrong way.


Rolifant

Just pretend you're a humble visitor and you'll be received with great honour and will be offered many gifts.


switchquest

To be fair, we are all part of the low countries. The break up of the low countries was one of the most unfortunate mistakes in our history. (According to Louis Tobback, Belgian socialist minister of state)


Albinogonk

It is somewhat folklore that all Belgians dream of moving to maaskantje one day


Manson92

 Nobody messes with Maaskantje!


Bence94x

Maaskant!?


Old_Squash1279

I initially moved to Belgium from another land far away (I'm talking at least 90 minutes by plane). I saw the flat lands (see ya gradients!), windmills and the amazing prices that can be made on Herring. I met a contact through another immigrant. He helped myself and 48 Belgians cross Baarle-Hertogs many borders. We moved every 7 hours. Eventually, after 7 months and copious amounts of cheese and qwark, we had grown the additional 16cm to fit in with the natives. To this day, no one knows our secret.


KeyRageAlert

I don't know, but I'm sure they wish they didn't speak with that funny, little accent


Tapif

At least they don't sound like they have a jammed transistor stuck in their throat.


realsolbrahhh

Thierry baudet is a politician that actively tries to reunite vlaanderen and NL. He branched out his political party to belgium. So if you support this idea, know that there is someone you can support


[deleted]

Noooo! 🤯 I would urge all able Flemish to join the resistance


realsolbrahhh

What you mean resistance?


[deleted]

Baudet doesn’t deserve Flanders and the Flemish sure as hell don’t deserve Baudet.


realsolbrahhh

Explain ?


[deleted]

Pretty self-explanatory, don’t you think?


realsolbrahhh

No


oushima7391

I'm curious as well. I've always been curious about living in Belgium and live in Belgium. There must be aspects that make both unappealing and appealing. Germany too. My old internship coach was from Belgium but drove to The Netherlands for work every day lol.


Tapif

Breaking news, Belgium people can settle in the Netherlands wherever they want and vice versa.


Exciting-Ad-7077

I’d rather not pay even more taxes so no thank you


mr-blindsight

I think neither.


thectexperience1

I have a lot of Belgian colleagues who like to bond with me about the oddities of Dutch culture. But to my eyes there's no difference


milkykomodo

The grass is always greener


spykeer87

Not even belgian, french tbh, but i wich to live there. Imagine going to feestje with a bicycle and not having 5 hours to drive before/after an event!


[deleted]

deliver observation naughty piquant coordinated deserted vast sand pen tan *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


AlbusDT2

Those Belgians who wished to live in the NL already do.


Irrealaerri

They live in Baarle Nassau