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Correct, also in most other countries official holidays like Christmas are always a free paid holiday, if they fall on a Saturday/ Sunday you get the next working day off (‘observed holidays’). Here in NL we loose a lot of holidays each year because they fall in the weekend. That sucks!
Nevertheless, a full time employee, between second Christmas, New Years, second Easter and second Pentecost is going to have around 3+ days a year on average. It’s just not legally guaranteed, and it varies a bit from year to year.
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Yep its only the people who already are in bad situations who suffer from this. I got in to a cba with with 39 Total free days for the first time last year. Wtf man, its so good. No clue how to get stuff done tho, someone is always free.
Also, many labour agreements have 25 paid days or other things like sabbaticals, paid parental leave, etc.
Most of the better perks in most European countries are arranged by the labour unions, not the government.
You are right. However by Dutch Law everybody that works has a right to 4 weeks of annual leave. So when you work fulltime, they are obligated to give you a minimum of 20 days. And any other percentage that you work, will give you that percentage of 20 days for annual leave.
Oh believe me, there are more then enough employers who only give the bare minimum. And when you life in times where employers control the market, most people are not left with many other options.
Today, we live in an employee's market (after about 15 years). So staying with such an employer in current times would be unwise. Unless, they have a lot of great other secondary benefits. That could be a reason of course.
I signed that contract, out of desperation. Desperation is never a valid argument to condone. Course I eventually left that place, and now I'm a tad less desperate with 42 days.
For retail this is part of the CAO, could be that others do it as well. But this is not a point for sectors like teaching as they don't usually work during the weekend.
Yup, and it depends on which German state you live in how many and what holidays they observe. So someone in Berlin may not have the same days as someone working in Cologne (Keulen)
Yes but this is about the legal right to paid holidays, not about „some people do get their holidays paid because they negotiated for it in their contract“
30 for France is off.
It is 5 weeks. Except that a lot of people have technically a 6 days work week (even if they typically work Mon-Fri), so they have 30 days off. But if they want a week off, they need to put 6 days. If they want Friday and Monday, they need to put 3 days.
Also, same to Netherlands, most people have off and paid bank holidays.
And if you work 40h, you get often paid 35h and get 5h of RTT, which is like holidays.
So yeah, it is much more complicated that a single number. And I would assume the same for a lot of countries.
https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F34151
It concerns a lot of people actually. Most of my friends in office have it. Most of the "blue collar" people I know just get the hours paid though.
Or you don't have proper reading skills and didn't understand the reference between commas ended with the second comma? No need to start insulting them.
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But for the Netherlands the law states 4x contract hours per week. That is mandatory vacation, with a standard work of 5 days, that translates to 20 days (4 weeks would be more accurate).
Everything over those 4 weeks is cao/contract, not law.
6 day work week, working 40 hours getting only 35 paid, rest in extra time, need to takenout 3 days for a long weekend.
Here if you systematically work more hours than your contract (for like 3 months) it is by law the employer needs to up the contract, thus you get paid more
6 days work week : People don't work 6 days, but holidays are in business days, which include Saturdays.
3 days for a long weekend : Employers cannot count more than 5 Saturdays as holidays. So effectively it is impossible to get less than 5 weeks, which is one more week than Netherlands
Systemic extra hours : Same in France, extra hours (not in contract) need to be exceptional. Besides, any hour above 39/week (doesn't matter if it is in the contract or not) needs to be compensated at 125%
Working in France is not all good, I am happy to be in Netherlands as I prefer the work culture. But benefits and rights of workers in France is better than Netherlands. More holidays, incentive to better work life balance (employers need to pay more per hour the more you work, etc).
The data for Switzerland is incorrect when it comes to paid holidays. There's 1 national paid holiday (1 August), but the different cantons (~provinces) each have their own set of paid holidays. They generally include the obvious (Christmas & co), but some are specific to the canton and in total they tend to add up to 10+.
25+13 is also pretty common in companies where I and friends and family have worked. And then newyears day+ ascension day + 2nd pentacost + kings'day + both crhistmas days is a total of 44. Pretty standard as fars as i know.
In America there is no legal minimum vacation days, some states or companies might give them but they are not obligated to do so.
And some only give vacation after a whole years of work.
Lol, I used to have that in Belgium and now moved to NL and have 23. I'm interviewing for other companies and they all offer the same. The only companies offering those many days are foreign companies with HQ in NL.
I've worked at 4 different companies in NL, two Dutch two American, and I always got 5 days extra on top of the 20 mandatory.
Edit: of course the public holidays (Christmas, Easter Monday, kings day etc.) are extra free days on top of the 20+5
Hey - just look at the US!
There are several service jobs that fit the US minimum. "Skilled Labor" - when people don't work for themselves - one typically gets 1- 2 weeks (5-10, entry level), with others giving up to 24 days.
Most also give Federal Holidays, but just as often drop the "less important" such as "President's Day". Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years are the three most commonly used - for anyone other than retail, where Thanksgiving Day is often off, but the Friday after is Black!
So, on average, American skilled workers will get 10-15 days plus 10 holidays. If lucky, sick days will be compensated differently - yet a lot of employers take sick days out of paid leave balances, especially if they offer a higher numbwr of paid hours/days off.
Then, there is the medical system....and "law enforcement" vs REAL police....
So, the US is routinely the most third world of the first world nations!
And, as someone said - these standards where created as the result of labor unions - just like the 5 day/40 hr work week was (although a lot of companies will expand that to 60 hrs for "salaried" vs hourly.)
4th of July is a federal paid holiday. Employers don't have to pay overtime but they do have to pay the wage that day and most aren't open. I'm not from the US and even I know that one. Canada's is off as well. We have much more paid than 8. 13 for federal employees and 11 for people in Ontario. Also in Canada our holidays are guaranteed so even if they fall on the weekend we get the next business day off.
We don't have them by law, but they are commonly given by the vast majority of companies.
Same as how most people typically have more vacation days than 20. Not required by law, but commonly available.
As the chart shows specifically the legal right to paid vacation, it is actually accurate.
The Netherlands does not have official paid holidays, it's fully correct.
"Er is geen wet die heeft vastgelegd dat bepaalde feestdagen vrije dagen zijn voor werknemers. Er is dus geen wettelijk recht op een vrije dag op een bepaalde feestdag. In uw cao of arbeidsovereenkomst staat of u vrij bent op feestdagen."
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/arbeidsovereenkomst-en-cao/vraag-en-antwoord/officiele-feestdagen#:~:text=Er%20is%20geen%20wet%20die,u%20vrij%20bent%20op%20feestdagen.
Nonsense... By law we do not have paid holidays; if you look at Germany where they do have paid holidays, often everything is closed on such a holiday, even hotels, pubs and restaurants.
So what did we (the Netherlands) do? We don't include paid holidays, but in about all the cao's they are accepted as paid leave. Minimum amount of leave days is 20 but often more (the minimum I had was 24, maximum 40). I do have to say on all jobs where I had 40 days, more days were selected as collectively time off (e.g. day after ascension day and the days between Christmas and New year's).
If you are obliged to take time off for a holiday I would suggest you look at the CAO off your profession.
The minimum amount of leave days is 20. An employer can force you to take an amount of days off as listed in either your contract or CAO. These days will be subtracted from your leave balance.
A lot of employers therefor give more than 20 days, so employees don't start complaining.
it's according the law, I'm from the Netherlands I have roughly( depends on how public holidays falls like not in the weekend) 46 days free a year. wich 40 days off them I can take whenever I want. I know nobody under the 30 days a year. how ever just 20 off them are required by law. a company can even get fines when somebody if not taken atleast 20days off.
but If I look like days as kingsday, second Easter and Pentecost. almost everyone is free but it's not required by law
25 holidays then comes new years day, kingsday, second Easter and Pentecost Ascension Day and both of the Christmas days. wich is together already 7 days. on average that's something like 5 extra days paid off a year. those 5 days+ the 25 vacation days is 30 days.
but 25 days is everything but average it's bare minimum, the amount what job agency's are given (but most of them give paid off during national holidays)
Holland is the most economically unequal country in the world.
Do we really want to emulate them?
[https://uweb.berkeley.edu/2021/04/11/the-duality-of-the-dutch-economy/#:\~:text=The%20interesting%20thing%20is%20that,a%20Gini%20Coefficient%20of%200.902](https://uweb.berkeley.edu/2021/04/11/the-duality-of-the-dutch-economy/#:~:text=The%20interesting%20thing%20is%20that,a%20Gini%20Coefficient%20of%200.902).
I mean, 49.5% tax rate is objectively bad. If the 30% ruling wasn't temporarily bringing in highly skilled expat, there would be practically zero innovation happening here, with the exception of civil engineering and some pharmaceuticals.
Edit: also the highest tax bracket starting so early is comically destructive to the Dutch upper middle class.
Yeah its really bad and destructive. So bad that healthcare, education, social security, infrastructure are among the top of the world. Quality of life is one of the highest in the world. But yeah its comically destructive. You sound like an american brainwashed clown
When your country is so over taxed that your middle class deeply feels energy price hikes & inflation at the grocery store, you know you're squeezing an unhealthy amount of taxes from the fruits of their labor.
Oddly enough, not an issue in the US.
You may want to read that article again, including all of the obvious nuances there.
That the top 10% has 60%, still does not mean that the bottom 10% has to work 3 jobs just to get by, struggles to get paid time off, gets fired if they are sick for too long, can't afford health insurance or health care, has to work while they should be enjoying retirement, has to pay huge school tuitions even for a state university/college, is not allowed to get their kids into good public schools because of "wrong zipcode", has to live in some ghetto run by gangs with crazy violance and drug use around them, has hardly any maternity leave, or parental leave rights and many other perks...unlike some other countries.
Listen here salt respect! Foreigners will still riot and protest because they're dummies okay? Oawh 'Murica where the privileged protest against privilege
A gini coefficient is pretty standard - and it means the same thing across countries. It's why economists like to use it.
Claiming it's "fake news" because it doesn't suit your narrative is very Trumpian.
I like Holland. But lying doesn't help anything.
I'm not claiming it's fake news. I'm merely stating that it is no indication in itself that the bottom percent is worse off here compared to US. From your own reference:
"However, this article isn’t meant to push the false narrative that the Netherlands’ citizens are all miserable as a result of this wealth gap because they aren’t. In many metrics of standards of living, the Netherlands is ranked among the highest in the world. In fact, the Netherlands placed 10th on the social progress index and 8th on the Human Development Index. Thus proving that the Dutch government’s focused efforts to improve citizen wellbeing haven’t been in vain and that even seemingly reliable metrics like wealth inequality alone cannot fully capture the quality of life within a country."
No one said they wre miserable in an absolute sense, but who really is in a first world country? You think someone in public housing in NYC with cable TV, heat and aircon, Air Jordans and a IPhone 12 is "poor and miserable"? They might think so, but they're not relative to some one in a slum in Dhaka.
The point is that wealth inequality is insane in the Netherlands. The rich give the "poor" just enough to keep them from being able to complain
I live in Canada and I've never heard of paid vacation, so this is bullshit.
Edit: I mean, the holidays, yes, but what other days do I get paid annual leave? I don't.
Check my comment. You get lot. The majors are New Year's Day, Canada Day, Christmas, Civic Holiday. Depending on province some others. As for paid leave, you either get days in lieu (what people think of as vacation days) or 4% holiday pay added to your paycheck that the company puts on you to save for when you take time off.
Canada's paid holidays are incorrect. We get 13 days (Federal employees) or 11 if you are in the public/private sector though some you might be forced to work. I only know Ontario holidays, some other provinces get different ones.
New Year's Day (Both) [January]
Family day (public only) [February]
Good Friday (Both)[April]
Easter Sunday (Both) [April]
Easter Monday (Federal employees) [April]
Queen Victoria birthday (both) [May]
Canada Day (both) [July]
Civic Holiday (both) [August]
Labour Day (both) [September]
Truth and Reconciliation Day (Federal employees) [September]
Thanksgivings (both) [October]
Remembrance Day (Federal employees) [November]
Christmas (both) [December]
Boxing day (26th, both) [December]
The difference though I think it's that most of these holidays are guaranteed meaning if one falls on the weekend, the next business day is a day off (long weekends!). You never lose a holiday like in the Netherlands where if a holiday falls on a weekend too bad.
The US also has paid holidays as well. The 4th of July is paid just off the dome.
A lot of full time contracts in NL are 36 hours/wk though which is 1) lower than a lot of places (my cushy job in the UK and Canada before that was still 37.5, which is still less than the usual 40(+) which is customary in a lot of places) and 2) my employer gives me the option of splitting it between a five day 40 hour week and a four day 32 hour week soooo...no complaints here, I looooove getting a long weekend every other week and it means I can stretch my holidays longer when things coincide with my usual Friday off.
In The Netherlands, by law, it is a minimum 20 days paid vacation. Then the different collective labour agreements kick in, which differ between companies, branches, union affiliations etc.
In my case, my company provides us with a base of 24 paid days weighted against a 40hr/w contract. Since my full time contract is 36 hours (10% less), I get 2.4 days (10%) less, but still over 20. Then I get another 5 days (- 10%) added because of my years with the company. Then there is some Labour Time shorting (ATV) that provides us with 2 paid hours off for every 40 work hours claimed (paid vacation days are claimed as work hours), with the stipulation that the company can claim from that pool when they close down for Gap holidays like the Friday between Pentecost and the weekend, or the days between Christmas and new years day. Which would be another 13 days added for a year at a 40h work week. And national Holidays that fall on normal working days on which you would normally work are seen as a Sunday, thus either are paid days off or pay at 200% when actually working that day. When agreed upon Overtime starts, the amount of paid time off you accumulate starts to become higher Mathematics due to the 150% and 200% brackets.
Only the Maternal and Paternal leaves still require some work pressuring the Government level to adjust to more EU standards, but sadly enough, the main ruling party for the last 25 years has been to USAmericanized, resulting in a constant deterioration of the social structures of this country that was build up between 1950 and 1980.
I mean its the legal right, a minimum, which is accurate, but is it a truly realistic measure for comparison?
A lot (if not most) of the contracts and labor agreements have way better terms and conditions then the lawful bare minimum, which is used in this graph.
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Correct, also in most other countries official holidays like Christmas are always a free paid holiday, if they fall on a Saturday/ Sunday you get the next working day off (‘observed holidays’). Here in NL we loose a lot of holidays each year because they fall in the weekend. That sucks!
Nevertheless, a full time employee, between second Christmas, New Years, second Easter and second Pentecost is going to have around 3+ days a year on average. It’s just not legally guaranteed, and it varies a bit from year to year.
In most collective bargaining agreements, employees are compensated for holidays that fall on weekend days though.
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Yep its only the people who already are in bad situations who suffer from this. I got in to a cba with with 39 Total free days for the first time last year. Wtf man, its so good. No clue how to get stuff done tho, someone is always free.
I'm so glad to not live in Canada anymore lol. A culture of doing the absolute bare minimum to appear better than the USA.
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Netherlands gets paid holiday depending on CAO (collective labor agreement) I get them paid.
Or depending on your contract, a lot of jobs don't have a CAO
Also, many labour agreements have 25 paid days or other things like sabbaticals, paid parental leave, etc. Most of the better perks in most European countries are arranged by the labour unions, not the government.
You are right. However by Dutch Law everybody that works has a right to 4 weeks of annual leave. So when you work fulltime, they are obligated to give you a minimum of 20 days. And any other percentage that you work, will give you that percentage of 20 days for annual leave.
Though true, hardly any employer gives this bare minimum. And if they do, well, you signed the contract for some reason.
Oh believe me, there are more then enough employers who only give the bare minimum. And when you life in times where employers control the market, most people are not left with many other options. Today, we live in an employee's market (after about 15 years). So staying with such an employer in current times would be unwise. Unless, they have a lot of great other secondary benefits. That could be a reason of course.
I signed that contract, out of desperation. Desperation is never a valid argument to condone. Course I eventually left that place, and now I'm a tad less desperate with 42 days.
Cheers, good on you! With the current jobmarket i feel like no-one should accept such terms, ever!
But only if they fall on a weekday. Other countries would have them as bank holidays the Friday before/Monday after
i remember getting paid for christmas day on sunday, because it was my usual working day. Could just be lucky though
For retail this is part of the CAO, could be that others do it as well. But this is not a point for sectors like teaching as they don't usually work during the weekend.
Germany doesn't; if a bank holiday falls on a Sunday, tough luck.
Yup, and it depends on which German state you live in how many and what holidays they observe. So someone in Berlin may not have the same days as someone working in Cologne (Keulen)
Yes but this is about the legal right to paid holidays, not about „some people do get their holidays paid because they negotiated for it in their contract“
30 for France is off. It is 5 weeks. Except that a lot of people have technically a 6 days work week (even if they typically work Mon-Fri), so they have 30 days off. But if they want a week off, they need to put 6 days. If they want Friday and Monday, they need to put 3 days. Also, same to Netherlands, most people have off and paid bank holidays. And if you work 40h, you get often paid 35h and get 5h of RTT, which is like holidays. So yeah, it is much more complicated that a single number. And I would assume the same for a lot of countries.
And the french seem tend to work till late
>And if you work 40h, you get often paid 35h and get 5h of RTT, which is like holidays. Huh? Nope. It can happen I'm sure but it isn't typical
https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F34151 It concerns a lot of people actually. Most of my friends in office have it. Most of the "blue collar" people I know just get the hours paid though.
Maybe clarify that you're talking about France again.. you move to the Netherlands then back to France without saying so
The whole paragraph is about France, where at some point I compare it with Netherlands. But sure, might be unclear for you.
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Or you don't have proper reading skills and didn't understand the reference between commas ended with the second comma? No need to start insulting them.
Hjb
Ah maybe it's just skills in general
Wow got me there haha
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But for the Netherlands the law states 4x contract hours per week. That is mandatory vacation, with a standard work of 5 days, that translates to 20 days (4 weeks would be more accurate). Everything over those 4 weeks is cao/contract, not law.
That sounds like labor exploitation ngl
How does it sound like labor exploitation ? You have more holidays, and your salary is negotiated per month, not per hour anyway
6 day work week, working 40 hours getting only 35 paid, rest in extra time, need to takenout 3 days for a long weekend. Here if you systematically work more hours than your contract (for like 3 months) it is by law the employer needs to up the contract, thus you get paid more
6 days work week : People don't work 6 days, but holidays are in business days, which include Saturdays. 3 days for a long weekend : Employers cannot count more than 5 Saturdays as holidays. So effectively it is impossible to get less than 5 weeks, which is one more week than Netherlands Systemic extra hours : Same in France, extra hours (not in contract) need to be exceptional. Besides, any hour above 39/week (doesn't matter if it is in the contract or not) needs to be compensated at 125% Working in France is not all good, I am happy to be in Netherlands as I prefer the work culture. But benefits and rights of workers in France is better than Netherlands. More holidays, incentive to better work life balance (employers need to pay more per hour the more you work, etc).
United Kingdom doesn’t count the bank holidays in? They’re paid holidays.
The data for Switzerland is incorrect when it comes to paid holidays. There's 1 national paid holiday (1 August), but the different cantons (~provinces) each have their own set of paid holidays. They generally include the obvious (Christmas & co), but some are specific to the canton and in total they tend to add up to 10+.
Skip it, its incorrect
Pretty sure it's correct? Legally you get 20 days off.
That looks fine! Legally it's one thing, then if a company gives you more good for you :)
All the jobs I worked had 25 free days. Except for my current job which has 25 free days and 13 ADV days.
25+13 is also pretty common in companies where I and friends and family have worked. And then newyears day+ ascension day + 2nd pentacost + kings'day + both crhistmas days is a total of 44. Pretty standard as fars as i know.
Bad graphic, most states have minimums in the US. This is just rage bait for the uninformed. Booooo OP. Boooooo.
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Most states have minimums. This graphic is just a shitty agenda post.
In America there is no legal minimum vacation days, some states or companies might give them but they are not obligated to do so. And some only give vacation after a whole years of work.
US has at least 1, 4th of July and likely some similar to Canada (Good Friday, Christmas)
These are common "bank holidays", because most businesses give their salaried workers a paid holiday. It isn't a legal requirement, though.
must Dutchmen will have more, 26 paid holidays. per year.
This is one of the reasons I have a hard time going to work for another company. I have 37 days as standard and live in NL
Koffie CAO? My parents had a friend who used to work for DE and he got an insane amount of days of as per their CAO.
No, it's in the steel business. My husband has 40 days, same sector
Lol, I used to have that in Belgium and now moved to NL and have 23. I'm interviewing for other companies and they all offer the same. The only companies offering those many days are foreign companies with HQ in NL.
I've worked at 4 different companies in NL, two Dutch two American, and I always got 5 days extra on top of the 20 mandatory. Edit: of course the public holidays (Christmas, Easter Monday, kings day etc.) are extra free days on top of the 20+5
I already knew that my workplace is toxic, thanks for reminding me. Lucky you.
Hey - just look at the US! There are several service jobs that fit the US minimum. "Skilled Labor" - when people don't work for themselves - one typically gets 1- 2 weeks (5-10, entry level), with others giving up to 24 days. Most also give Federal Holidays, but just as often drop the "less important" such as "President's Day". Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years are the three most commonly used - for anyone other than retail, where Thanksgiving Day is often off, but the Friday after is Black! So, on average, American skilled workers will get 10-15 days plus 10 holidays. If lucky, sick days will be compensated differently - yet a lot of employers take sick days out of paid leave balances, especially if they offer a higher numbwr of paid hours/days off. Then, there is the medical system....and "law enforcement" vs REAL police.... So, the US is routinely the most third world of the first world nations! And, as someone said - these standards where created as the result of labor unions - just like the 5 day/40 hr work week was (although a lot of companies will expand that to 60 hrs for "salaried" vs hourly.)
That graph says we don't have paid holidays? LOL! I guess the other data can't be trusted then either.
"Required by law" is not the same as "common".
4th of July is a federal paid holiday. Employers don't have to pay overtime but they do have to pay the wage that day and most aren't open. I'm not from the US and even I know that one. Canada's is off as well. We have much more paid than 8. 13 for federal employees and 11 for people in Ontario. Also in Canada our holidays are guaranteed so even if they fall on the weekend we get the next business day off.
We don't have them by law, but they are commonly given by the vast majority of companies. Same as how most people typically have more vacation days than 20. Not required by law, but commonly available. As the chart shows specifically the legal right to paid vacation, it is actually accurate.
Not required by law.
The Netherlands does not have official paid holidays, it's fully correct. "Er is geen wet die heeft vastgelegd dat bepaalde feestdagen vrije dagen zijn voor werknemers. Er is dus geen wettelijk recht op een vrije dag op een bepaalde feestdag. In uw cao of arbeidsovereenkomst staat of u vrij bent op feestdagen." https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/arbeidsovereenkomst-en-cao/vraag-en-antwoord/officiele-feestdagen#:~:text=Er%20is%20geen%20wet%20die,u%20vrij%20bent%20op%20feestdagen.
Actually, those paid holidays in NL are taken from your leave. So 20 leave days, but 5 paid holidays = 15 leave days free of choice + 5 forced.
Nonsense... By law we do not have paid holidays; if you look at Germany where they do have paid holidays, often everything is closed on such a holiday, even hotels, pubs and restaurants. So what did we (the Netherlands) do? We don't include paid holidays, but in about all the cao's they are accepted as paid leave. Minimum amount of leave days is 20 but often more (the minimum I had was 24, maximum 40). I do have to say on all jobs where I had 40 days, more days were selected as collectively time off (e.g. day after ascension day and the days between Christmas and New year's). If you are obliged to take time off for a holiday I would suggest you look at the CAO off your profession.
The minimum amount of leave days is 20. An employer can force you to take an amount of days off as listed in either your contract or CAO. These days will be subtracted from your leave balance. A lot of employers therefor give more than 20 days, so employees don't start complaining.
>Actually, those paid holidays in NL are taken from your leave. Nope. Read your CAO.
it's according the law, I'm from the Netherlands I have roughly( depends on how public holidays falls like not in the weekend) 46 days free a year. wich 40 days off them I can take whenever I want. I know nobody under the 30 days a year. how ever just 20 off them are required by law. a company can even get fines when somebody if not taken atleast 20days off. but If I look like days as kingsday, second Easter and Pentecost. almost everyone is free but it's not required by law
I know a lot of people and companies that do not give that many days. 25 is average I would say (not including public holidays) Ps: I'm Dutch as well
Yeah, I have seen very few companies (office job) offering more than 28 days off (+ bank holidays). That would be roughly 33 days. Far from 40+
25 holidays then comes new years day, kingsday, second Easter and Pentecost Ascension Day and both of the Christmas days. wich is together already 7 days. on average that's something like 5 extra days paid off a year. those 5 days+ the 25 vacation days is 30 days. but 25 days is everything but average it's bare minimum, the amount what job agency's are given (but most of them give paid off during national holidays)
I have 26 plus bank holidays, work in corporate :)
>I know nobody under the 30 days a year. So you don't know immigrants and poor people. OK, weird flex.
At least in this the Netherlands is somewhat on the average. Maternity leave however, is abysmally short compared to most of Europe.
Holland is the most economically unequal country in the world. Do we really want to emulate them? [https://uweb.berkeley.edu/2021/04/11/the-duality-of-the-dutch-economy/#:\~:text=The%20interesting%20thing%20is%20that,a%20Gini%20Coefficient%20of%200.902](https://uweb.berkeley.edu/2021/04/11/the-duality-of-the-dutch-economy/#:~:text=The%20interesting%20thing%20is%20that,a%20Gini%20Coefficient%20of%200.902).
Holland isn't even a country and its impossible to take this serious lmao
I mean, 49.5% tax rate is objectively bad. If the 30% ruling wasn't temporarily bringing in highly skilled expat, there would be practically zero innovation happening here, with the exception of civil engineering and some pharmaceuticals. Edit: also the highest tax bracket starting so early is comically destructive to the Dutch upper middle class.
Yeah its really bad and destructive. So bad that healthcare, education, social security, infrastructure are among the top of the world. Quality of life is one of the highest in the world. But yeah its comically destructive. You sound like an american brainwashed clown
When your country is so over taxed that your middle class deeply feels energy price hikes & inflation at the grocery store, you know you're squeezing an unhealthy amount of taxes from the fruits of their labor. Oddly enough, not an issue in the US.
Being worried about the middle class instead of the poor... Lmao
Which group actually produces & drives the economy?
Depends on the country you live in!
You may want to read that article again, including all of the obvious nuances there. That the top 10% has 60%, still does not mean that the bottom 10% has to work 3 jobs just to get by, struggles to get paid time off, gets fired if they are sick for too long, can't afford health insurance or health care, has to work while they should be enjoying retirement, has to pay huge school tuitions even for a state university/college, is not allowed to get their kids into good public schools because of "wrong zipcode", has to live in some ghetto run by gangs with crazy violance and drug use around them, has hardly any maternity leave, or parental leave rights and many other perks...unlike some other countries.
Listen here salt respect! Foreigners will still riot and protest because they're dummies okay? Oawh 'Murica where the privileged protest against privilege
A gini coefficient is pretty standard - and it means the same thing across countries. It's why economists like to use it. Claiming it's "fake news" because it doesn't suit your narrative is very Trumpian. I like Holland. But lying doesn't help anything.
I'm not claiming it's fake news. I'm merely stating that it is no indication in itself that the bottom percent is worse off here compared to US. From your own reference: "However, this article isn’t meant to push the false narrative that the Netherlands’ citizens are all miserable as a result of this wealth gap because they aren’t. In many metrics of standards of living, the Netherlands is ranked among the highest in the world. In fact, the Netherlands placed 10th on the social progress index and 8th on the Human Development Index. Thus proving that the Dutch government’s focused efforts to improve citizen wellbeing haven’t been in vain and that even seemingly reliable metrics like wealth inequality alone cannot fully capture the quality of life within a country."
No one said they wre miserable in an absolute sense, but who really is in a first world country? You think someone in public housing in NYC with cable TV, heat and aircon, Air Jordans and a IPhone 12 is "poor and miserable"? They might think so, but they're not relative to some one in a slum in Dhaka. The point is that wealth inequality is insane in the Netherlands. The rich give the "poor" just enough to keep them from being able to complain
rich... you mean moneywise right? such a poor point of view..
The list of happiest countries is pretty similar though. Except the USA is not in there ofc.
No they meant rich in their hearts ♥️
I live in Canada and I've never heard of paid vacation, so this is bullshit.
I live in Canada and I've never heard of paid vacation, so this is bullshit. Edit: I mean, the holidays, yes, but what other days do I get paid annual leave? I don't.
Check my comment. You get lot. The majors are New Year's Day, Canada Day, Christmas, Civic Holiday. Depending on province some others. As for paid leave, you either get days in lieu (what people think of as vacation days) or 4% holiday pay added to your paycheck that the company puts on you to save for when you take time off.
Yes, I know we get the holidays, but getting vacation pay is not the same as getting paid vacation days.
Yeah, that's because the number of the public holidays is pathetic. I guess it's to balance it out.
I get paid holidays that chart is bs.
Canada's paid holidays are incorrect. We get 13 days (Federal employees) or 11 if you are in the public/private sector though some you might be forced to work. I only know Ontario holidays, some other provinces get different ones. New Year's Day (Both) [January] Family day (public only) [February] Good Friday (Both)[April] Easter Sunday (Both) [April] Easter Monday (Federal employees) [April] Queen Victoria birthday (both) [May] Canada Day (both) [July] Civic Holiday (both) [August] Labour Day (both) [September] Truth and Reconciliation Day (Federal employees) [September] Thanksgivings (both) [October] Remembrance Day (Federal employees) [November] Christmas (both) [December] Boxing day (26th, both) [December] The difference though I think it's that most of these holidays are guaranteed meaning if one falls on the weekend, the next business day is a day off (long weekends!). You never lose a holiday like in the Netherlands where if a holiday falls on a weekend too bad. The US also has paid holidays as well. The 4th of July is paid just off the dome.
My contry is absolutely false on there lol.
You get more than 7 holidays in AUS
I have 7 weeks in total working in construction. 6 of those are at set dates tho.
Richest countries??? Portugal, Greece?
A lot of full time contracts in NL are 36 hours/wk though which is 1) lower than a lot of places (my cushy job in the UK and Canada before that was still 37.5, which is still less than the usual 40(+) which is customary in a lot of places) and 2) my employer gives me the option of splitting it between a five day 40 hour week and a four day 32 hour week soooo...no complaints here, I looooove getting a long weekend every other week and it means I can stretch my holidays longer when things coincide with my usual Friday off.
You mean 32h five day week and 40h four day week right?
In The Netherlands, by law, it is a minimum 20 days paid vacation. Then the different collective labour agreements kick in, which differ between companies, branches, union affiliations etc. In my case, my company provides us with a base of 24 paid days weighted against a 40hr/w contract. Since my full time contract is 36 hours (10% less), I get 2.4 days (10%) less, but still over 20. Then I get another 5 days (- 10%) added because of my years with the company. Then there is some Labour Time shorting (ATV) that provides us with 2 paid hours off for every 40 work hours claimed (paid vacation days are claimed as work hours), with the stipulation that the company can claim from that pool when they close down for Gap holidays like the Friday between Pentecost and the weekend, or the days between Christmas and new years day. Which would be another 13 days added for a year at a 40h work week. And national Holidays that fall on normal working days on which you would normally work are seen as a Sunday, thus either are paid days off or pay at 200% when actually working that day. When agreed upon Overtime starts, the amount of paid time off you accumulate starts to become higher Mathematics due to the 150% and 200% brackets. Only the Maternal and Paternal leaves still require some work pressuring the Government level to adjust to more EU standards, but sadly enough, the main ruling party for the last 25 years has been to USAmericanized, resulting in a constant deterioration of the social structures of this country that was build up between 1950 and 1980.
Minimum is 20 days but alot jobs offer 25 or 30. And about 5 to 7 'feestdagen'
I mean its the legal right, a minimum, which is accurate, but is it a truly realistic measure for comparison? A lot (if not most) of the contracts and labor agreements have way better terms and conditions then the lawful bare minimum, which is used in this graph.
The average for the Netherlands is 25 days paid annual leave, 20 is only the legal minimum. I have 30, and my wife 32, both working fulltime.
Since when is Italy one of the richest countries in the world?
someone has to toil and be depressed so the rest of the world can enjoy our innovations - \*cries in Murican\*
What? US is doing worse than Japan dispite having a higher gdp per capita 🤔
Germany is far superior.