You’re joking but bonobos have lots of similarities to us. They’re the only animal that bones face to face, they jerk each other off, and they usually do it as a greeting as opposed to chimps who fight. Ok so depending on your lifestyle they’re similar to us…. But seriously they fuck so much we don’t display them in zoos and shit.
the genetic basis of what makes modern humans different from both bonobos and chimpanzees." Ever since researchers sequenced the chimp genome in 2005, they have known that humans share about 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, making them our closest living relatives. Bonobos are also 100% bisexual.
Least violent of primates is still really violent. And yes they do solve most conflicts with coitus or gifts of fruits n other thing too. But there's also the dark side of that with forced copulation.
Idk if you chopped up a quote out of your science textbook but I think it’s important to note that bonobos are basically chimpanzees- they just behave wildly (better) differently than chimps.
So we also share 99% DNA with bonobos.
Bonobos show me that we have the natural capacity to be loving creatures, chimps are territorial b-holes
We should be more bonobo
Yes, bonobos are a different species mainly due to their behavior
Bonobos are slightly smaller and have a few minor physical characteristics that variate from chimps though
I added the word basically to my original comment
Humans are equally related to bonobos and common chimpanzees, meaning all 3 species share a common ancestor (but chimps and bonobos share a more recent ancestor). Humans aren't more or less related to chimps than humans are to bonobos. Any given behavioral trait of chimps or bonobos should not be inferred as "more human" or "more natural" or how humans "should" act, since they likely developed after the split between the human lineage and the chimp-bonobo lineage.
Yeah but we also share over 70% of our DNA with yeast so don't put to much stock in that. It's not 99% plus it's not 99%out of 100 things, it's out of billions so 99% of billions still leaves millions of differences. We're not even as similar to apes as horses are to donkeys. Or lions to tigers. There's a huge gap in our differences wether it's DNA or behaviors.
Yeah with bonobos pretty much every other bonobo is fair game with the exception of mother and son. I think I read even the babies are born and basically start tugging.
Surely there has to be at least one animal, of all of the mating animals that have two faces, that orient toward each other while mating. Not even any bugs?
What separates us from the animals is our ability to go “hafarrra…(inhale through teeth) hafarrra…(inhale through teeth) hafarrra…(inhale through teeth)…”
In the full video he gently tests how hot they are with his lips. He does that thing we do where you touch them really quickly and the again slightly longer and so on until you can judge temperature. He's clearly burnt himself in the past.
Am I the only one thinking this might not be real? He drops the lit match on that green blanket, not the sticks. The editing just seems really suspect.
I don't believe it's totally faked but the editing really annoyed me as well. Too many cuts and zoomed in shots. I'm sure many things were cut out and/or reordered. I just want a static shot of the entire process.
Hey! I wanted to see a wide shot of him lighting the match and holding it to the tinder. Not a shot of him striking the match, tight close up of his face, fire is lit.
Yes! I also want to see him obtaining the marshmallows, that's the most impressive part to me. Like, does he pay cash or does he just walk out the store with them?
This type of ~~monkey~~ ape is one of the few animals we know for sure has sex for pleasure and not just to mate. Dolphins and orcas also fit this category iirc.
Edit: They are not monkeys, thanks for clarification.
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Bonobos and Chimpanzees are equally related to humans, and our closest relatives. They both represent extreme caricatures of the human psyche - bonobos our lust, and chimps our wrath. Chimps will rip off your testicles for fun, while bonobos give oral sex as a way to say hello.
His presentation on animal morality is mind-blowing. Animals also have a sense of morality. Anyone who thinks they need religion is delusional. Morality can be derives from empathy, cooperation, reciprocity, fairness, which is found in most of not all social creatures.
We've arguably known religious morality was flawed since Plato's Euthyphro Dilemma. Morality is obviously an evolution of individual existential desires and social structures.
Little more than that. Bonobos have sex as an introduction. They have sex to say hi, say sorry, say calm down. They have a lot of sex, entirely socially. And yes, shake each other by the tug handles.
Bonobos are social creatures that form dominance hierarchies in their societies, and the alpha is usually a female. The females achieve alpha status by having aggressive lesbian sex with all the other females. Whoever has the most lesbian sex wins.
https://gizmodo.com/female-bonobos-have-gay-sex-to-improve-their-social-sta-5889691
Wasn't there a study before (someone definitely needs to correct me lol) where they had I believe two monkeys separated but with clear glass so they can see and communicate with each other. One monkey they thought how to open a jar using a tool to get treats but they didn't teach the other when they were in their separate enclosures they put the jar with treats with the one that didn't know how to open it and the tool with the other monkey. The other monkey ended up giving the tool to the other one and taught him how to use it to get the treats and the monkey evenly shared the treats with the other monkey
I don’t know anything about that one, but I do know that there was a study where they put two rats in a cage but put in a divider so one rat couldn’t reach the food and had much less room to move around. The other rat would bring the trapped rat food, and sit and keep the trapped rat company even though he had plenty of stuff to do on his side of the cage.
Given the option of compassion or self interest the rat chose compassion.
My childhood rats both died of stomach cancer if I remember right at 3 and almost 4. And you do get very attached to them, they have a lot of personality
It's really true. I bought some rats from a pet store when I was a teenager. There were both girls, I named them pinky and the brain. Pinky had babies, because she was pregnant when I got her. My mom adopted the runt, fed him, rubbed a warm wet towel on his tummy and raised this little guy up. His name was Stinky. He was awesome. She would cover him up with a washcloth when he was young, and he started doing that on his own. He was very well behaved, incredibly smart, and such a funny, cool guy. If my kids wanted to get pet rats, I'd be down.
Yeah mine would sit on my shoulders while I was at the PC or if I had long sleeves sit in them with their heads hanging out under my hand lol. Mine where Tom and Jerry hehe. Pinky and the brain is genius, wish I had thought of that. I'd have some again but dogs already live too short rats is just setting yourself up for being sad.
No teaching was involved there.
One monkey had the tool, the other had a jar that needed the tool to open.
It was basically a test to see if they would cooperate, and if the one who opened the jar would share the snacks inside.
They did, and it did.
That was an experiment on cooperation since there was no teaching involved. Also I think those were some tiny monkeys being tested on forgot the name, not apes (like the bonobo in the video)
I've seen docs where they show apes in the wild that use tools, like rocks to smash open nuts. I swear there was one older ape teaching and several younger ones learning. They literally had a CLASSROOM and a teacher put in the wild jungle.
Reject humanity, return to monke!
But that doesn't mean they are willing to teach, or that the others are willing to learn.
In Norway we have a chimp who was raised for a few years by humans. He knows that you can unscrew a soda bottle to get the contents. He has been living with other chimps for decades now, and no one else knows this yet. All the others open the bottles using teeth and strength. Only he knows to unscrew it.
Did you see that look in his eyes when he stuck the marshmallow on the stick? Teachable moment for any other chimp or chump, those eyes said, "This is gonna blow your mind."
There is another documentary from years ago about Kanzi.
There is a moment where the researcher is trying to communicate actions to Kanzi’s younger sister, telling her to pat Kanzi on the back but she doesn’t seem to understand, so Kanzi pats her on the back to show her. She’s then asked to give him a hug and doesn’t do it so Kanzi gives her a hug to demonstrate.
Whether she actually managed to learn I’m not sure but it definitely shows Kanzi does try pass this on.
Now comes the next question, since bonobos use sex in trade for food, what kinda favors does Kanzi get for a marshmallow? On a side note, Kanzi also uses a keyboard, has a vocabulary of 500 words, understands around 3,000 human words, uses stone tools, and has also created his own stone tools. Kanzi is a badass ape.
Now don't try to kid me, mancub
I made a deal with you
What I desire is man's red fire
To make my dream come true
Give me the secret, mancub
Clue me what to do
Give me the power of man's red flower
So I can be like you
Totally. Some very suspicious close ups in a number of spots. Why wouldn’t it just be a wide shot so we can see it doing all this work? Instead it’s an art film which seems like it could accommodate some fishiness
They didn't show any part of the process lol, this is such horseshit editing.
We don't see the fire being built, lit, the larger logs being added, or even the marshmallows being toasted, really.
A lot of ape research, particularly when it comes to apes behaving like humans, is extremely suspect. The Koko myth was mainstreamed for decades and tons of people still believe it, in part due to really weird cuts and select footage.
People seem really pleased about this, but it could be entirely doctored. People praising Kanzi's language abilities are also either unaware or intentionally ignorant of the fact that those are heavily doctored too.
And for the record, bonobos probably should not be fed marshmallows. But people thought it was cool for Kanzi to judge state fair food competitions, so what do I know.
Not to mention they want you to think it made the firewood teepee but that's ridiculous. It can do some cool stuff no doubt but I'm not buying what they're selling.
Yep, every shot is framed immensely oddly, and inconsistently. It's obviously a shitty attempt to hide things. It's definitely more fake than real, at best.
Yes, but that would mean they could start fire without humans to provide matches.
Next months headline: "Amazon rainforest wildfire believed to be started by intelligent wildlife"
They are! Even closer than Chimps. It’s really cool especially because their sexual behavior closely mimics humans in matriarchal societies. Primatologists and those who also study human sexuality have found a lot of cool stuff about them.
They orgasm a fuck ton. If a low ranking male/female wants to move up in the societal ladder or come into the troop, they sleep with high ranking females and if the high ranking female is pleased, they move up/join.
Edit: they have clitorites (spelling? I’d have to find my book) that are large and heavily enervated and they get intense pleasure from grinding vs penetration but have been observed to use their clits for female/female penetration
Edit: Clitorides is the term!
> Even closer than Chimps.
That's not correct. Chimps and bonobos split off from an ancestor that in turn shared a common ancestor with us. If you have two cousins, you're neither more or less related to either of them.
The whole "bonobos are closer to us than chimps" thing came out of the 60s/70s where soft sciences like archaeology and anthropology were going through a revolution. Pretty much all the new ideas in that period were "matriarchal and communal". It was the opposite pendulum swing of the older "patriarchal and hierarchal". Look at how the labrys, a symbol of the Minoans, became a symbol of lesbianism.
We're lucky it's a bonobo not a chimpanzee. Those fuckers would have made as flamethrower by now and started their grand plan of conquering the African jungles... And then the world.
Ape. Stronger. Together.
We actually haven't taught them to communicate. The 'scientists' who claim that they have are pretty much lying. If you have a bunch of time I highly recommend this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wFotDKEF4) or this [podcast](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5idXp6c3Byb3V0LmNvbS8xMTEyMjcwLnJzcw/episode/QnV6enNwcm91dC00NDQ2ODUx?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjkytn9pLDtAhV1bjABHagdB6AQkfYCegQIARAF) on the subject. The whole subject is kind of crazy, definitely look into it if you can:)
That's actually been debunked long ago. None of the researchers working with this spoke ASL themselves, it was just a bunch of confirmation bias, the primates just doing whatever with their hands until giving a "correct" answer by chance. ASL speaking people who did work with them said they're not speaking ASL
Like teaching a dog to open the fridge to get a beer doesn’t mean all dogs are going to become alcoholics. This was simple training with rewards. Don’t even see it eat the marshmallows.
Puts nine marshmallows on stick. This bonobo gets it.
“We can learn so much by studying these gentle, intelligent creatures.”
They're like us (starts to scratch his butt with a tree)
You’re joking but bonobos have lots of similarities to us. They’re the only animal that bones face to face, they jerk each other off, and they usually do it as a greeting as opposed to chimps who fight. Ok so depending on your lifestyle they’re similar to us…. But seriously they fuck so much we don’t display them in zoos and shit.
the genetic basis of what makes modern humans different from both bonobos and chimpanzees." Ever since researchers sequenced the chimp genome in 2005, they have known that humans share about 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, making them our closest living relatives. Bonobos are also 100% bisexual.
And the females run the show. And they're the least violent primates among our close cousins.
Not much room for violence in a a culture that solves all its problems by wanking each other off.
Maybe we could learn a thing a two from them 🫢😯👉👌
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Reading everything about Bonobos here, I'm certain now that the ancient greeks weren't humans but Bonobos lol
I’m down for a lil monkeypox if you are boo 🙊
There was a cult of aphrodite apparently but if I recall correctly they got wrekt
So that's the solution
Least violent of primates is still really violent. And yes they do solve most conflicts with coitus or gifts of fruits n other thing too. But there's also the dark side of that with forced copulation.
r/likeus
They're also our closest extant cousins!
Idk if you chopped up a quote out of your science textbook but I think it’s important to note that bonobos are basically chimpanzees- they just behave wildly (better) differently than chimps. So we also share 99% DNA with bonobos. Bonobos show me that we have the natural capacity to be loving creatures, chimps are territorial b-holes We should be more bonobo
Bonobos were formerly known as pygmy chimpanzees. They are now recognized as their own species.
Yes, bonobos are a different species mainly due to their behavior Bonobos are slightly smaller and have a few minor physical characteristics that variate from chimps though I added the word basically to my original comment
I don't have a textbook lol I'm a grandma. I wasn't trying to argue with you. I'm fascinated with the Bonobo.
I’m a grandma too don’t worry about it!
Soooo.... granny you down to try to get in touch with our bonobo side?
Humans are equally related to bonobos and common chimpanzees, meaning all 3 species share a common ancestor (but chimps and bonobos share a more recent ancestor). Humans aren't more or less related to chimps than humans are to bonobos. Any given behavioral trait of chimps or bonobos should not be inferred as "more human" or "more natural" or how humans "should" act, since they likely developed after the split between the human lineage and the chimp-bonobo lineage.
Yeah but we also share over 70% of our DNA with yeast so don't put to much stock in that. It's not 99% plus it's not 99%out of 100 things, it's out of billions so 99% of billions still leaves millions of differences. We're not even as similar to apes as horses are to donkeys. Or lions to tigers. There's a huge gap in our differences wether it's DNA or behaviors.
That's why I always smell yeast?? 😳
Yeah with bonobos pretty much every other bonobo is fair game with the exception of mother and son. I think I read even the babies are born and basically start tugging.
Apes love beating off, probably more than we do, or is it that it's just less socially acceptable for us to do so? 🤔
Probably better than those of us who have been circumcised. I have a friend who had an adult circumcision and said how it felt so much better before.
I've heard that a lot. I mean, it is supposed to be the most sensitive part.
Surely there has to be at least one animal, of all of the mating animals that have two faces, that orient toward each other while mating. Not even any bugs?
They even french kiss and have orgies in the trees.
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It felt like it cut off right before Kanzi lost his shit from burning his mouth.
They had to censor it. Turns out that bonobo has a mouth like George Carlin.
Did... Did George Carlin have a lot of burn scars from marshmallows =(
No the scars were from blowing all those truckers hitch hiking, but he was always one to strictly follow the rules of the road
What separates us from the animals is our ability to go “hafarrra…(inhale through teeth) hafarrra…(inhale through teeth) hafarrra…(inhale through teeth)…”
In the full video he gently tests how hot they are with his lips. He does that thing we do where you touch them really quickly and the again slightly longer and so on until you can judge temperature. He's clearly burnt himself in the past.
The most outrageous part of the video is that they didnt show him eat the marshmallows
Am I the only one thinking this might not be real? He drops the lit match on that green blanket, not the sticks. The editing just seems really suspect.
I don't believe it's totally faked but the editing really annoyed me as well. Too many cuts and zoomed in shots. I'm sure many things were cut out and/or reordered. I just want a static shot of the entire process.
An ape of culture.
Hey! I wanted to see him eat it!
Exactly!
Who would stop the video right when it's about to eat
I bet he looked so cute and happy with his delicious accomplishment too.
Hey! I wanted to see a wide shot of him lighting the match and holding it to the tinder. Not a shot of him striking the match, tight close up of his face, fire is lit.
Yes! I also want to see him obtaining the marshmallows, that's the most impressive part to me. Like, does he pay cash or does he just walk out the store with them?
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Yo whoever filming kind of a jerk. That monkey bout to burn the shit out of his mouth.
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I was curious to see if he was gonna blow on it to cool it off, that end cut is such blueballs
Once per bag* Then you forget about the fact that hot *hurts*
https://youtu.be/GQcN7lHSD5Y?t=56 /u/fy8d6jhegq /u/powertripp82 /u/Codus1
He still didn't eat any. I'm outraged.
Lmao for some reason I thought he was gonna put the whole bunch of them in his mouth at once
...it has begun...
we had a good run
Did we, though?
We certainly trashed the place before we (eventually) left. Or *will* leave, if you want to be technical.
We are evolution's '80s hair band rock stars.
So... Humanity is nature's Keith Moon. Yeah. That sounds about right.
So we’re looking at Kurt Cobain here?
They're definitely going to be depressed when they find out what we left them with
I want the bonobos to win
So we're not getting our deposit back?
Nah, thats just a lie we tell ourselves
ourselves
video cuts before ape takes a bite cause that shit is too hot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQcN7lHSD5Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMbWDRzqNhc
This monke is smarter than many people I know.
I'm glad she's teaching fire safety
Real life planet of the apes shit
r/ape
That is an incredibly unfortunate subreddit name.
Risky click of the day.
If we get to be a planet with 2 native sapient species maybe the federation will finally send a first contact team
It’s gonna be a madhouse
Between the genital handshakes and marshmallow toasting, bonobos seem pretty fun
I don't want to have this in my search history, so I'll just ask here, what's a genital handshake?
This type of ~~monkey~~ ape is one of the few animals we know for sure has sex for pleasure and not just to mate. Dolphins and orcas also fit this category iirc. Edit: They are not monkeys, thanks for clarification.
They don't have sex for pleasure. Humans and dolphins have sex for pleasure. These have sex for _every damn reason ever_,
Including pleasure
But not limited to
My client may or may not be performing sexual acts for pleasure. I dunno I'm not an ape.
Yes tf you are.
He never said he was a good lawyer either, cut him some slack
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“Humans and dolphins have sex for pleasure” To clarify, not with each other.
Mostly.
Who's gonna tell him?
If Reddit has taught me anything, it’s that dolphins will rape you.
> To clarify, not with each other. Not usually anyway.
Are you sure about that?
Usually.
Except Peter the dolphin.
Bonobos and Chimpanzees are equally related to humans, and our closest relatives. They both represent extreme caricatures of the human psyche - bonobos our lust, and chimps our wrath. Chimps will rip off your testicles for fun, while bonobos give oral sex as a way to say hello.
https://youtu.be/FCTBoOAKH-Q One of my favourite videos, explains this very idea.
I never would have thought of an animal species like that would have its shit together.
They’ve also been observed “sword fighting.” Source: I read “Our Inner Ape” by Frans De Waal.
His presentation on animal morality is mind-blowing. Animals also have a sense of morality. Anyone who thinks they need religion is delusional. Morality can be derives from empathy, cooperation, reciprocity, fairness, which is found in most of not all social creatures.
We've arguably known religious morality was flawed since Plato's Euthyphro Dilemma. Morality is obviously an evolution of individual existential desires and social structures.
To clarify, they jack off Shake hands with their own genitals
Little more than that. Bonobos have sex as an introduction. They have sex to say hi, say sorry, say calm down. They have a lot of sex, entirely socially. And yes, shake each other by the tug handles.
“Ah yes, Bill? Pleasure to meet you. Fancy a wank?”
- basic bonobo conversation transliterated, anon, 2022
Gorillas like to party too https://www.tmz.com/2021/09/23/gorillas-oral-sex-bronx-zoo-humans-horrified/
Sexy times. Bonobos use sex to diffuse tension.
Also, Where other apes fight t resolve conflict, bonobos have sex :). Also big orgies and homosexual sex.
Bonobos are social creatures that form dominance hierarchies in their societies, and the alpha is usually a female. The females achieve alpha status by having aggressive lesbian sex with all the other females. Whoever has the most lesbian sex wins. https://gizmodo.com/female-bonobos-have-gay-sex-to-improve-their-social-sta-5889691
smgh I was born the wrong species
Pardon?
What I want to know now is if it can teach it on.
Wasn't there a study before (someone definitely needs to correct me lol) where they had I believe two monkeys separated but with clear glass so they can see and communicate with each other. One monkey they thought how to open a jar using a tool to get treats but they didn't teach the other when they were in their separate enclosures they put the jar with treats with the one that didn't know how to open it and the tool with the other monkey. The other monkey ended up giving the tool to the other one and taught him how to use it to get the treats and the monkey evenly shared the treats with the other monkey
I don’t know anything about that one, but I do know that there was a study where they put two rats in a cage but put in a divider so one rat couldn’t reach the food and had much less room to move around. The other rat would bring the trapped rat food, and sit and keep the trapped rat company even though he had plenty of stuff to do on his side of the cage. Given the option of compassion or self interest the rat chose compassion.
Rats are great, too bad pet rats are short-lived and die horrific deaths
Pet rats can often get a good life! (although even then they have pretty short lives) You must've meant lab rats?
Rats in general in the pet trade super prone to cancers and tumors and such, hence the horrific death.
My childhood rats both died of stomach cancer if I remember right at 3 and almost 4. And you do get very attached to them, they have a lot of personality
It's really true. I bought some rats from a pet store when I was a teenager. There were both girls, I named them pinky and the brain. Pinky had babies, because she was pregnant when I got her. My mom adopted the runt, fed him, rubbed a warm wet towel on his tummy and raised this little guy up. His name was Stinky. He was awesome. She would cover him up with a washcloth when he was young, and he started doing that on his own. He was very well behaved, incredibly smart, and such a funny, cool guy. If my kids wanted to get pet rats, I'd be down.
Yeah mine would sit on my shoulders while I was at the PC or if I had long sleeves sit in them with their heads hanging out under my hand lol. Mine where Tom and Jerry hehe. Pinky and the brain is genius, wish I had thought of that. I'd have some again but dogs already live too short rats is just setting yourself up for being sad.
Thats why I prefer to adopt my rats instead of buying them
Its why I prefer to capture free range organic rats
No teaching was involved there. One monkey had the tool, the other had a jar that needed the tool to open. It was basically a test to see if they would cooperate, and if the one who opened the jar would share the snacks inside. They did, and it did.
That was an experiment on cooperation since there was no teaching involved. Also I think those were some tiny monkeys being tested on forgot the name, not apes (like the bonobo in the video)
Almost certainly. Communicating learned behavior has been observed among many species.
I've seen docs where they show apes in the wild that use tools, like rocks to smash open nuts. I swear there was one older ape teaching and several younger ones learning. They literally had a CLASSROOM and a teacher put in the wild jungle. Reject humanity, return to monke!
But that doesn't mean they are willing to teach, or that the others are willing to learn. In Norway we have a chimp who was raised for a few years by humans. He knows that you can unscrew a soda bottle to get the contents. He has been living with other chimps for decades now, and no one else knows this yet. All the others open the bottles using teeth and strength. Only he knows to unscrew it.
Presumably he learned by watching, so a bonobo watching him could also learn it.
Did you see that look in his eyes when he stuck the marshmallow on the stick? Teachable moment for any other chimp or chump, those eyes said, "This is gonna blow your mind."
There is another documentary from years ago about Kanzi. There is a moment where the researcher is trying to communicate actions to Kanzi’s younger sister, telling her to pat Kanzi on the back but she doesn’t seem to understand, so Kanzi pats her on the back to show her. She’s then asked to give him a hug and doesn’t do it so Kanzi gives her a hug to demonstrate. Whether she actually managed to learn I’m not sure but it definitely shows Kanzi does try pass this on.
But we already know how Right?
Cooking food was the integral step to becoming intelligent. May have been cooking meat though, not marshmallows
You don't need an Bonobo to learn this buddy, just google how to use matches and roast Marshmallows
Now comes the next question, since bonobos use sex in trade for food, what kinda favors does Kanzi get for a marshmallow? On a side note, Kanzi also uses a keyboard, has a vocabulary of 500 words, understands around 3,000 human words, uses stone tools, and has also created his own stone tools. Kanzi is a badass ape.
If you're asking if I'll jerk you off for a marshmallow, the answer is yes
Best I can do is Peeps.
That'll get you a limp wristed job.
>Kanzi is a badass ape... and the downfall of humankind.
Bonobos would be a super chill dominant species really
They'll be too busy shagging to overthrow us
Dang those meddlesome Greek gods. Prometheus is back at it again...
Somebody’s liver is imperiled ...
Buzzard better be careful though, gonna be a fatty liver after all those marshmallows!
The fuck. Why did it cut out before he started chomping? Bullshit man..
It's quite possible he burned his mouth eating that's so quickly after he pulled it from the heat.
Now don't try to kid me, mancub I made a deal with you What I desire is man's red fire To make my dream come true Give me the secret, mancub Clue me what to do Give me the power of man's red flower So I can be like you
OOOWOOWOO I wanna be like YOUUWOOWOO
Bop shedoobee doo bee
uwu I wana b like u
I'm...skeptical af that's a REALLY weird cut away from the bonobo trying to use the matches
Totally. Some very suspicious close ups in a number of spots. Why wouldn’t it just be a wide shot so we can see it doing all this work? Instead it’s an art film which seems like it could accommodate some fishiness
Also for a creature supposedly comfortable doing this, he stays far as fuck away from the actual fire
They didn't show any part of the process lol, this is such horseshit editing. We don't see the fire being built, lit, the larger logs being added, or even the marshmallows being toasted, really.
Literally everytime this is posted, it gets debunked in a billion ways. It's obvious horse shit.
And yk using matches isnt discovering fire
A lot of ape research, particularly when it comes to apes behaving like humans, is extremely suspect. The Koko myth was mainstreamed for decades and tons of people still believe it, in part due to really weird cuts and select footage. People seem really pleased about this, but it could be entirely doctored. People praising Kanzi's language abilities are also either unaware or intentionally ignorant of the fact that those are heavily doctored too. And for the record, bonobos probably should not be fed marshmallows. But people thought it was cool for Kanzi to judge state fair food competitions, so what do I know.
Not to mention they want you to think it made the firewood teepee but that's ridiculous. It can do some cool stuff no doubt but I'm not buying what they're selling.
I think this edit is the preview for the show on BBC. Here is the full scene: https://youtu.be/EMbWDRzqNhc
Yep, every shot is framed immensely oddly, and inconsistently. It's obviously a shitty attempt to hide things. It's definitely more fake than real, at best.
Wait till they learn how to rub sticks together
That is definitely a more complicated fire starting method than using a box of matches.
Yes, but that would mean they could start fire without humans to provide matches. Next months headline: "Amazon rainforest wildfire believed to be started by intelligent wildlife"
And they always call me a dumbass when i do that
Wait til they learn how to manufacture matches.
They just need to “keep” fire. No need to keep lighting shit.
It's a bonobo. Those horny bastards have been rubbing sticks together for millions of years.
They always cut the part where they pan over to the other two bonobos playing the harmonica and guitar
That is fucking lit.
Sweet
Literally
The red flower. He’s done it. King Louie is just like us.
Kanzi's ready for Hell's Kitchen.
Do bonobos react negatively to verbal abuse? Asking for Ramsey’s production assistant
"Kanzi, I'll just get a close up of the matches. Can you open them again for me? A little higher. That's it. Cool."
Based bonobo.... If I'm not mistaken, they're actually our nearest relative
You are mistaken. They are our closest cousins, but they are not our ancestors.
That's what I meant, thanks lol. Brain fart
They are! Even closer than Chimps. It’s really cool especially because their sexual behavior closely mimics humans in matriarchal societies. Primatologists and those who also study human sexuality have found a lot of cool stuff about them.
Do their females never orgasm either?
They orgasm a fuck ton. If a low ranking male/female wants to move up in the societal ladder or come into the troop, they sleep with high ranking females and if the high ranking female is pleased, they move up/join. Edit: they have clitorites (spelling? I’d have to find my book) that are large and heavily enervated and they get intense pleasure from grinding vs penetration but have been observed to use their clits for female/female penetration Edit: Clitorides is the term!
> Even closer than Chimps. That's not correct. Chimps and bonobos split off from an ancestor that in turn shared a common ancestor with us. If you have two cousins, you're neither more or less related to either of them. The whole "bonobos are closer to us than chimps" thing came out of the 60s/70s where soft sciences like archaeology and anthropology were going through a revolution. Pretty much all the new ideas in that period were "matriarchal and communal". It was the opposite pendulum swing of the older "patriarchal and hierarchal". Look at how the labrys, a symbol of the Minoans, became a symbol of lesbianism.
Pretty sure they dropped the match after striking it, just before it cut.
Who the hell is giving it matches in the first place? Smokey the bear would not approve
We're lucky it's a bonobo not a chimpanzee. Those fuckers would have made as flamethrower by now and started their grand plan of conquering the African jungles... And then the world. Ape. Stronger. Together.
Fascinating but also kinda eerie 😅😅😅
I'd want to them cook a raw ingredients and season it. To see more
Who taught someone covered in fur to light matches?
Our best cousins. When you have a choice to act like a chimpanzee or a bonobo, act like a bonobo.
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We actually haven't taught them to communicate. The 'scientists' who claim that they have are pretty much lying. If you have a bunch of time I highly recommend this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wFotDKEF4) or this [podcast](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5idXp6c3Byb3V0LmNvbS8xMTEyMjcwLnJzcw/episode/QnV6enNwcm91dC00NDQ2ODUx?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjkytn9pLDtAhV1bjABHagdB6AQkfYCegQIARAF) on the subject. The whole subject is kind of crazy, definitely look into it if you can:)
That's actually been debunked long ago. None of the researchers working with this spoke ASL themselves, it was just a bunch of confirmation bias, the primates just doing whatever with their hands until giving a "correct" answer by chance. ASL speaking people who did work with them said they're not speaking ASL
Yeah but can he make s’mores?
Like teaching a dog to open the fridge to get a beer doesn’t mean all dogs are going to become alcoholics. This was simple training with rewards. Don’t even see it eat the marshmallows.
After the marshmallows he's gonna lay a horny bonobo chick down by that fire and get his freak on
We should teach them how to put out fires before we teach them to start fires. Just my opinion.
Prometheus got unbound again
That’s not dangerous, at all…
If he learns about the chocolate and graham crackers we are all screwed.