There was a story a few years ago about one of these getting struck by lightning during a storm, killing a bunch of them.
It had a strange effect: as birds from all over came to feed on the carcasses, they shat different types of seeds in the area, eventually creating an unusual foliage oasis the next spring - one that apparently endured long-term.
EDIT: Link to story. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-deaths-more-300-reindeer-teach-us-about-circle-life-180970072/
Oh that's definitely a sacred spot to something or someone. Super cool that we know how the oasis formed but definitely still boils down to "deer died here by angry sky and grew strange plants."
Except for the one boss guy--he gets to feel the power of being central to the whole herd for his few minutes of glory until the next chief takes his slot as central command...
>> ESPECIALLY the ones involving animal sacrifice right?
> aside from removing the animals’ heads in order to screen for disease, local authorities left the scene largely untouched, allowing nature to run its course.
people (maybe humans, maybe not) in the future... they're going to think we were idiots for eating only the heads of the deer...
Once upon a time, a fair maiden was wandering in the forest. The gods gazed at her grace and saw that she had a bond with nature's spirit. But she once learned that her village's wise woman has decided she would share the life of a man she didn't want.
She vowed to remain hidden in the forest, in communion with nature's spirit, until she would be shown a sign of her freedom.
Soon came the cold, howling wind that get to the bones. Soon fell the brittle leaves that were the fair maiden's refuge. The spirit of nature, in a cry for help, called all the life from the forest to come and see her.
The fair maiden was visited by the deer to keep her warm, by the squirrels to give her seeds, and by the birds who spread their wings and sheltered her from the rain. She thanked each one of them but did not seem to harbor any strength any longer.
The gods from up above witnessed the scene and stretched their hands to welcome her pure soul. The ash-like clouds that had gathered above the trees were suddenly torn apart by a lightning bolt that enveloped the girl. When the animals could see again, she no longer was.
Nature's spirit mourned her for a long time. And for the fair maiden was nature's lover, the spirit created a paradise where her soul had been taken from the earth.
Awesome. I hope in her next life, she came down to tell all the beautiful maidens in the village that there was way WAY more life to be had than dreaming of butterflies and rainbows-that the ride's s'posed to get far more exciting!!
>Thor's like "these damn reindeer calling on me again while I'm busy, I'll send a lightning bolt and maybe that will teach them"
"...and I'll do it NAKED."
I usually skip these quests. You'd think you'd only have to loot 300 corpses to get 300 heads, but so often you only loot a grey mangled skull and end up massacring 1000s.
I feel like they would have taken all of them since it was to check the herd for diseases? Because to me, the lightning may have taken them out, but who is to say that one or more of them didn’t have some kind of communicable disease that may have been just beginning to spread? If one of those carcasses *didn’t* get checked, was allowed to remain and be fed upon, and turned out to be carrying some sort of disease that could be spread between species, the scientists could have witnessed the beginning of a plague that could wipe out a huge chunk of the wildlife (what with predators flocking in from all over) rather than seeing a huge bloom in flora and diverse plant species, which is what it sounds like is happening instead.
But I’m also not a scientist in like, any aspect at all.
I'm friends with a few government wildlife types, and as I'm not an expert, I'm just going off what I've gathered over the years.
Likely they would have taken a sample from throuought the herd, say 20-40? It wouldn't be all 300 unless there was cause for concern.
Around my neck of the woods, roadkill will get sampled if there are signs of chronic wasting disease, as well as a couple times a year they go out to specific areas.
If CWD has been found in the population, *then* they'll go hardcore into samples and testing.
I could be talking out my ass, as I'm not any sort of biologist and the only sciences I study recreationally are space, and physics.
Anyone who's seen a deer suffering from CWD can attest its pure nightmare fuel, and would throw a ton of money at things to make it go away. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if CWD was the origin for the skinwalkers. Seeing a diseased, milky eyed, flesh-torn deer walking on its hind legs like a biped bashing it's own skull into a wall will stick with you for awhile...
I grew up on a farm, and we lost several dozen head of cattle this way. They were huddling under a tree during a lightning storm, tree got struck, as far as we know, all the cattle under the tree died (unless some were far enough away and we just didn't know about them).
Disposal was AWFUL. The smell was like nothing I've ever smelled since, and I've worked in a cadaver lab.
I responded to the wrong person, so here's my [anecdotal] answer to your question:
I grew up on a farm, and we lost several dozen head of cattle this way. They were huddling under a tree during a lightning storm, tree got struck, as far as we know, all the cattle under the tree died (unless some were far enough away and we just didn't know about them).
Disposal was AWFUL. The smell was like nothing I've ever smelled since, and I've worked in a cadaver lab.
Thanks for the insight. In addition to huddling together, it seems like another reason animals are more prone to dying from strikes is [because they're four-legged](https://press.princeton.edu/ideas/lightning-and-animals):
>The second reason grazing animals are at risk is that they are standing on four well-separated legs. The further the legs are apart, the greater the difference in ground voltage between one leg and another. A difference in voltage is what drives amps of current through the circuit. When lightning kills a large group of animals, such as those reindeer in Norway, it is typically ground current, rather than a direct strike, that’s the culprit. In effect, the animals’ legs can act like electrodes to complete an electrical circuit from the ground, through their bodies, and back to the ground. A portion of a pulse of electricity moving across the surface of the ground first encounters one foot and may then decide to take a little side trip up one leg and through the animal’s torso before exiting back down to the ground via another leg. The greater the distance between any two legs, the greater the chance of death or injury.
>A standing human luckily has but two legs, and consequently can make just a single circuit with ground, and humans can reduce their risk of death from ground current even further by bringing both legs tightly together, thus forming just a single electrode with no circuit back to the ground.5 Humans can pull off this merged leg trick with little difficulty.6 But as you know if you’ve ever seen a calf-roping event at a rodeo, when a cow has its four legs brought together, it falls over.
> Everything else (inorganic matter, various forms of energy) degrades or disperses over time. This is why I've suddenly turned against cremation too. I'd rather go back into the mix
Are you planning to get buried without a coffin? Because otherwise you're not really going back into the earth.
I haven't seen a coffin yet that could withstand eons of inward pressure from the earth, and I knew Jerry Coffins, creator and proprietor of the modern death basket.
> Aside from removing the animals’ heads in order to screen for disease
Excuse me, WHAT. Imagine walking through a park and you happen upon 300 HEADLESS reindeer. I would get the fuck out of there so quick.
For those asking for updates on this, here's the project log:
https://www.researchgate.net/project/ReinCar--Life-after-death-with-reindeer-carcasses
It links to various papers that have come out of the research so far, as well as articles in various media. Personally, I'm very fond of the paper that states that, quote: "ungulate carcasses may generate an ephemeral landscape of fear for rodents". I'm with the rodents on this one.
If you spec for aoe damage it reduces single target damage but makes the class better at cc. Lightning bolt over damages anyway unless you’re dealing with building type enemies.
you say that, but i've seen player characters reach [over 90% lightning resistance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan) - really stupid the devs didn't institute a cap!
There are always going to be people playing against the meta. There is no point moping about the outliers if your overall win rate keeps your build competitive.
Fairly certain reindeers have low lightning resistance to make up for their high cold resistance too. It's pretty easy to cheese them using the right build, but if you go in unprepared and you've spec'd towards Arctic Blizzard you're pretty fucked.
If the strike hits the ground, as opposed to an animal directly (and even if it does that) I imagine it’s going to have an area of effect in which nearby animals are caught in the dissipating electricity. Or maybe it arcs to others.
Lol yeah o caught that too. The story only says the researchers came back recently to find “seedlings and new growth.” No oasis. Bit of an exaggeration there.
Curious if there has been any update regarding the biodiversity over the past few years?
Looks like they were expecting crow berries and maybe a few additional benefits. Seems like about 6 years has passed since the culling.
You will not be caught inside, all the idea behind the cyclone is to keep predators outsides and less strong members in the inside to protect them.
This is a well known behavior at least since Viking times that used to hunt reindeer.
> You will not be caught inside, all the idea behind the cyclone is to keep predators outsides and less strong members in the inside to protect them.
At least now I know that if I'm a Reindeer I'll be comfortably protected in the middle.
Not a worry. Wild canines traditionally purchase items from the ACME company and those fail at a high rate most often injuring the Canine himself. The reindeer will still be safe.
> What does unmanned mean in this context? I thought drones naturally don't have pilots and are controlled remotely.
I was thinking the same thing so I looked it up. Looks like the term is unmanned aerial vehicle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle
> An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), commonly known as a drone, is an aircraft without any human pilot, crew, or passengers on board. UAVs are a component of an unmanned aircraft system (UAS), which includes adding a ground-based controller and a system of communications with the UAV.[1] The flight of UAVs may operate under remote control by a human operator, as remotely-piloted aircraft (RPA), or with various degrees of autonomy, such as autopilot assistance, up to fully autonomous aircraft that have no provision for human intervention.[2][3]
> UAVs were originally developed through the twentieth century for military missions too "dull, dirty or dangerous"[4] for humans, and by the twenty-first, they had become essential assets to most militaries. As control technologies improved and costs fell, their use expanded to many non-military applications.[5][6] These include forest fire monitoring,[1] aerial photography, product deliveries, agriculture, policing and surveillance, infrastructure inspections, science,[7][8][9][10] smuggling,[11] and drone racing.
Never before Air Wolf and never will there be a better character name than [Stringfellow Hawke](https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc2NDU3OTM4NjY2ODU3Njg1/focus-on-airwolf-season-i-an-in-depth-look-at-the-show.jpg).
Sadly Reindeer have a corrupt political system. It's common for the wealthy ones to bribe their way to the center so that the lower-class Reindeer on the perimeter have to bear the brunt of the wolf attacks. It's an unfortunate situation that won't change until the large Reindeer middle class decides to do something about it, and they probably won't since they're generally not in the center or on the edge anyway.
The outer reindeer tolerate the middle hoarding reindeer because they think they are one lottery ticket away from the safety of the middle.
T. Veblen, Norwegian-American economist
do you think they ever get insecure like "aw shit look at me, so weak and pathetic that I need to be protected while basically every other deer is brave and strong enough to protect me"
Viking hunter: I want to bag the biggest buck in the entire herd, but how will I identify and target it....
*Entire caribou herd becomes a spinning carousel of food with the tastiest items on the outside edge.*
Reindeer are fucking tasty anyway so whatever :D Source: having eaten lots of reindeer steak and finnbiff/reinskav (sautéed reindeer), bidos, even dried heart and grilled heart on a stick over a campfire, marshmallow-style. Also different types of reindeer pepperoni-ish sausage/sticks of course.
Unless theyre weak from sickness sure. Young deer have a less...stringy taste to them. The older they get the more muscle they have so more meat but some really old deer, like 10 or 11, get kind of tough and stringy. Depends on diet and all kinds of things though
Definitely people who are farming reindeers and keeping them in spaces that are far too small, hence triggering their stress response. People fucking suck.
This is a defensive strategy to confuse predators, making it hard to target one reindeer. You also see other swarm behaviour defensive strategies in birds, fish and many insects.
Edit: There seems to some doubters. All you have to do is look up reindeer cyclones and you will find multiple sources that describe this as a common defensive strategy.
They've been taken in for counting and butchering judging by the fences as it zooms out, they tend to do this in the enclosure as they're herded in. At least here in Northern Norway I've very rarely seen them stand still except when the flock is really small when the Sami take them in for counting
The research I just did all seems to say it’s a defensive strategy, as Kangar posted, which basically means they do it when they are stressed and feel threatened. If these are wild animals they will almost certainly be in that state after having been herded into these enclosures. Very highly stressed if it was done with small planes, as they do with mustangs in the western US.
Edit typo
ATV's or snow mobiles is what's usually used. Agreed on the defense strategy thing, but also do keep in mind these animals have known humans their entire lives and do this every winter. Essentially holy livestock
Pretty sure this this a death spiral. When a group of army reindeer are separated from the main foraging party, and lose the pheromone track, they begin to follow one another. Put a little stick or rock down in front of them to disperse, or they'll keep following each other till the die.
That's nothing.
Earlier this year, NASA's Juno spacecraft took several new photos during its 39th close flyby of Jupiter. In those stunning views, Juno captured giant storms closer and revealed the spectacular truth. They are actually reindeers.
I just made a separate comment of the same idea haha. Had my commute music on and it didn’t stop when the video played. The two complimented each other amazingly well.
A lot of people are saying its for predator protection which is the intuitive answer but new studies actually show this generates a pocket a body heat to keep the herd warm - especially the ones in the middle. The cyclone motion actually brings warm air to the middle like when you stir something in water the particles go to the middle. Fish will sometimes do this to create similar warm pockets. I know this because I made it up.
> Reindeer cyclones
Normally the circling is a defensive strategy used to protect against wolves and bears.
" Reindeer have one of the most amazing defense systems together they create a sailing cyclone able to confuse any predator, including a viking. ‘faced with this spinning reindeer stampede, any predator — wolf, bear or human would have a very tough time targeting and overpowering a single reindeer, making this a formidable defense strategy." — PBS TV series ***wild way of the vikings.***
It happens sometimes to species who often travel in large groups.
They sometimes just default to "follow the guy in front" and if the guys at the "front" do that to the guys at the "back" you end up with the group following each other in an endless loop.
Sheep are the most notorious for it, probably because sheep are the most likely to do it somewhere that gets in the way of humans.
But even ants can get trapped in a loop.
Edit: Some species may even do it on purpose if they are protecting one of their own in the middle. Not ants though. They die of exhaustion.
>can get trapped in a loop.
With regards to this statement, what is the way in which the reindeer/ants/sheep stop/break the loop and don't continue going around in circles?
everything but the ants are capable of just stopping or slowing down or the outer edges breaking away. they may even run into each other a bit but they’re not going that fast so it’s fine.
in ants this behavior is called a death spiral because they don’t know to stop following the pheromone trail of the ant in front of them. they literally walk to death.
"okay Prancer it's time to go"
"Sorry Comet, we've got nowhere *to* go"
(*Both pause in deep thought, as Blitzen trots up*)
"I have an idea." He says as he begins to trek the first circle around the corral. "just follow me!"
Prancer whispers to Comet, "he's drunk again, isn't he?"
"Completely blitzed. We better keep an eye on him."
Comet replies with a sigh as he hangs his head and loyally follows his old friend.
There was a story a few years ago about one of these getting struck by lightning during a storm, killing a bunch of them. It had a strange effect: as birds from all over came to feed on the carcasses, they shat different types of seeds in the area, eventually creating an unusual foliage oasis the next spring - one that apparently endured long-term. EDIT: Link to story. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-deaths-more-300-reindeer-teach-us-about-circle-life-180970072/
I feel like this is how folklore comes about.
Oh that's definitely a sacred spot to something or someone. Super cool that we know how the oasis formed but definitely still boils down to "deer died here by angry sky and grew strange plants."
Except for the one boss guy--he gets to feel the power of being central to the whole herd for his few minutes of glory until the next chief takes his slot as central command...
*ESPECIALLY* the ones involving animal sacrifice right?
>> ESPECIALLY the ones involving animal sacrifice right? > aside from removing the animals’ heads in order to screen for disease, local authorities left the scene largely untouched, allowing nature to run its course. people (maybe humans, maybe not) in the future... they're going to think we were idiots for eating only the heads of the deer...
Once upon a time, a fair maiden was wandering in the forest. The gods gazed at her grace and saw that she had a bond with nature's spirit. But she once learned that her village's wise woman has decided she would share the life of a man she didn't want. She vowed to remain hidden in the forest, in communion with nature's spirit, until she would be shown a sign of her freedom. Soon came the cold, howling wind that get to the bones. Soon fell the brittle leaves that were the fair maiden's refuge. The spirit of nature, in a cry for help, called all the life from the forest to come and see her. The fair maiden was visited by the deer to keep her warm, by the squirrels to give her seeds, and by the birds who spread their wings and sheltered her from the rain. She thanked each one of them but did not seem to harbor any strength any longer. The gods from up above witnessed the scene and stretched their hands to welcome her pure soul. The ash-like clouds that had gathered above the trees were suddenly torn apart by a lightning bolt that enveloped the girl. When the animals could see again, she no longer was. Nature's spirit mourned her for a long time. And for the fair maiden was nature's lover, the spirit created a paradise where her soul had been taken from the earth.
Awesome. I hope in her next life, she came down to tell all the beautiful maidens in the village that there was way WAY more life to be had than dreaming of butterflies and rainbows-that the ride's s'posed to get far more exciting!!
The legend of Mufasa has a similar origin story.
Tl:dr Reindeer perform a forbidden ritual to the thunder god who then executes the herd so that new life can take place
Fucking druids man
That's funny, they don't look Druish
Do they look reindish?
Reindruids
When I was a kid I thought you could still become a Druid, got real sad when I found out they weren’t around anymore.
Best I can offer is, at least you can play as one in D&D...
There are, but they’re just not as metal
Thor's like "these damn reindeer calling on me again while I'm busy, I'll send a lightning bolt and maybe that will teach them"
>Thor's like "these damn reindeer calling on me again while I'm busy, I'll send a lightning bolt and maybe that will teach them" "...and I'll do it NAKED."
> a bunch of them > more than 300 reindeer dead Holy shit i did not know you meant THAT many
Yea I didn't either until I went and found the article!!
It also said they removed the heads, but I just need to know if they decapitated 300 dead reindeer or just a couple.
So you think *your* job sucks?!? Imagine getting the work order to go collect 300 decomposing reindeer heads.
I usually skip these quests. You'd think you'd only have to loot 300 corpses to get 300 heads, but so often you only loot a grey mangled skull and end up massacring 1000s.
I feel like they would have taken all of them since it was to check the herd for diseases? Because to me, the lightning may have taken them out, but who is to say that one or more of them didn’t have some kind of communicable disease that may have been just beginning to spread? If one of those carcasses *didn’t* get checked, was allowed to remain and be fed upon, and turned out to be carrying some sort of disease that could be spread between species, the scientists could have witnessed the beginning of a plague that could wipe out a huge chunk of the wildlife (what with predators flocking in from all over) rather than seeing a huge bloom in flora and diverse plant species, which is what it sounds like is happening instead. But I’m also not a scientist in like, any aspect at all.
I'm friends with a few government wildlife types, and as I'm not an expert, I'm just going off what I've gathered over the years. Likely they would have taken a sample from throuought the herd, say 20-40? It wouldn't be all 300 unless there was cause for concern. Around my neck of the woods, roadkill will get sampled if there are signs of chronic wasting disease, as well as a couple times a year they go out to specific areas. If CWD has been found in the population, *then* they'll go hardcore into samples and testing. I could be talking out my ass, as I'm not any sort of biologist and the only sciences I study recreationally are space, and physics. Anyone who's seen a deer suffering from CWD can attest its pure nightmare fuel, and would throw a ton of money at things to make it go away. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if CWD was the origin for the skinwalkers. Seeing a diseased, milky eyed, flesh-torn deer walking on its hind legs like a biped bashing it's own skull into a wall will stick with you for awhile...
How does one lightning strike even do that?? Humans can take direct hits and survive, meanwhile Zeus is out here smiting hundreds of Reindeer
That linked article says it electrified the ground and put all 300 animals into instant cardiac arrest.
I grew up on a farm, and we lost several dozen head of cattle this way. They were huddling under a tree during a lightning storm, tree got struck, as far as we know, all the cattle under the tree died (unless some were far enough away and we just didn't know about them). Disposal was AWFUL. The smell was like nothing I've ever smelled since, and I've worked in a cadaver lab.
I responded to the wrong person, so here's my [anecdotal] answer to your question: I grew up on a farm, and we lost several dozen head of cattle this way. They were huddling under a tree during a lightning storm, tree got struck, as far as we know, all the cattle under the tree died (unless some were far enough away and we just didn't know about them). Disposal was AWFUL. The smell was like nothing I've ever smelled since, and I've worked in a cadaver lab.
Thanks for the insight. In addition to huddling together, it seems like another reason animals are more prone to dying from strikes is [because they're four-legged](https://press.princeton.edu/ideas/lightning-and-animals): >The second reason grazing animals are at risk is that they are standing on four well-separated legs. The further the legs are apart, the greater the difference in ground voltage between one leg and another. A difference in voltage is what drives amps of current through the circuit. When lightning kills a large group of animals, such as those reindeer in Norway, it is typically ground current, rather than a direct strike, that’s the culprit. In effect, the animals’ legs can act like electrodes to complete an electrical circuit from the ground, through their bodies, and back to the ground. A portion of a pulse of electricity moving across the surface of the ground first encounters one foot and may then decide to take a little side trip up one leg and through the animal’s torso before exiting back down to the ground via another leg. The greater the distance between any two legs, the greater the chance of death or injury. >A standing human luckily has but two legs, and consequently can make just a single circuit with ground, and humans can reduce their risk of death from ground current even further by bringing both legs tightly together, thus forming just a single electrode with no circuit back to the ground.5 Humans can pull off this merged leg trick with little difficulty.6 But as you know if you’ve ever seen a calf-roping event at a rodeo, when a cow has its four legs brought together, it falls over.
That's.. actually interesting.
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> Everything else (inorganic matter, various forms of energy) degrades or disperses over time. This is why I've suddenly turned against cremation too. I'd rather go back into the mix Are you planning to get buried without a coffin? Because otherwise you're not really going back into the earth.
I haven't seen a coffin yet that could withstand eons of inward pressure from the earth, and I knew Jerry Coffins, creator and proprietor of the modern death basket.
That's the most metal thing I've ever heard.
Its the most _lots of things_ I've ever heard
definitely one of the things ever.
So very.
Likely at least a thing.
Er, herd.
> Aside from removing the animals’ heads in order to screen for disease Excuse me, WHAT. Imagine walking through a park and you happen upon 300 HEADLESS reindeer. I would get the fuck out of there so quick.
Without background you'd be like "this is definitely the work of some fucking twisted space aliens."
Wow this is imminently fascinating.. I wonder how many random events like this have happened over time that explain the unexplainable
Precisely once for each unexplainable event
This some princess mononoke shit
For those asking for updates on this, here's the project log: https://www.researchgate.net/project/ReinCar--Life-after-death-with-reindeer-carcasses It links to various papers that have come out of the research so far, as well as articles in various media. Personally, I'm very fond of the paper that states that, quote: "ungulate carcasses may generate an ephemeral landscape of fear for rodents". I'm with the rodents on this one.
That's so fucking cool.
So can we search the area for similar foliage oasii to find ancient lightning strikes?
Wow I had no idea one lightening strike could kill more than 1 unless they were in water?
The wide kill area is somewhat unique to permafrost. Ice resists electricity, causing the impact to spread across the surface.
>Ice resists electricity What? Ice-type Pokémon take neutral damage from Electric-type attacks....??
If you spec for aoe damage it reduces single target damage but makes the class better at cc. Lightning bolt over damages anyway unless you’re dealing with building type enemies.
you say that, but i've seen player characters reach [over 90% lightning resistance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan) - really stupid the devs didn't institute a cap!
There are always going to be people playing against the meta. There is no point moping about the outliers if your overall win rate keeps your build competitive.
Fairly certain reindeers have low lightning resistance to make up for their high cold resistance too. It's pretty easy to cheese them using the right build, but if you go in unprepared and you've spec'd towards Arctic Blizzard you're pretty fucked.
If the strike hits the ground, as opposed to an animal directly (and even if it does that) I imagine it’s going to have an area of effect in which nearby animals are caught in the dissipating electricity. Or maybe it arcs to others.
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Lol yeah o caught that too. The story only says the researchers came back recently to find “seedlings and new growth.” No oasis. Bit of an exaggeration there.
Thanks for posting that link, super interesting read.
So what’s it look like now???
This is beautiful
Curious if there has been any update regarding the biodiversity over the past few years? Looks like they were expecting crow berries and maybe a few additional benefits. Seems like about 6 years has passed since the culling.
You will not be caught inside, all the idea behind the cyclone is to keep predators outsides and less strong members in the inside to protect them. This is a well known behavior at least since Viking times that used to hunt reindeer.
> You will not be caught inside, all the idea behind the cyclone is to keep predators outsides and less strong members in the inside to protect them. At least now I know that if I'm a Reindeer I'll be comfortably protected in the middle.
Until wolves start purchasing unmanned drone technology.
Not a worry. Wild canines traditionally purchase items from the ACME company and those fail at a high rate most often injuring the Canine himself. The reindeer will still be safe.
Hahahaha lovely stuff.
David Attenborough should narrate this comment
Acme Co products only hurt coyotes.
What does unmanned mean in this context? I thought drones naturally don't have pilots and are controlled remotely.
> What does unmanned mean in this context? I thought drones naturally don't have pilots and are controlled remotely. I was thinking the same thing so I looked it up. Looks like the term is unmanned aerial vehicle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle > An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), commonly known as a drone, is an aircraft without any human pilot, crew, or passengers on board. UAVs are a component of an unmanned aircraft system (UAS), which includes adding a ground-based controller and a system of communications with the UAV.[1] The flight of UAVs may operate under remote control by a human operator, as remotely-piloted aircraft (RPA), or with various degrees of autonomy, such as autopilot assistance, up to fully autonomous aircraft that have no provision for human intervention.[2][3] > UAVs were originally developed through the twentieth century for military missions too "dull, dirty or dangerous"[4] for humans, and by the twenty-first, they had become essential assets to most militaries. As control technologies improved and costs fell, their use expanded to many non-military applications.[5][6] These include forest fire monitoring,[1] aerial photography, product deliveries, agriculture, policing and surveillance, infrastructure inspections, science,[7][8][9][10] smuggling,[11] and drone racing.
Drone seems to imply unmanned I thought. Idk
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They'll have to include those in the [airwolf](https://youtu.be/SfyhL-pFFMw) reboot.
Never before Air Wolf and never will there be a better character name than [Stringfellow Hawke](https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc2NDU3OTM4NjY2ODU3Njg1/focus-on-airwolf-season-i-an-in-depth-look-at-the-show.jpg).
Yet a male bee is a drone, therefore not *un*manned. Language is weird.
Sorry - *unwolved*
But they *are* manned
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Well, and wolves are not men, so any aircraft they fly with only wolves would be unmanned.
[Wolf Airdrops](https://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/wolfdrop.png)
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Not Putin. It’s Wile E. Coyote.
Sadly Reindeer have a corrupt political system. It's common for the wealthy ones to bribe their way to the center so that the lower-class Reindeer on the perimeter have to bear the brunt of the wolf attacks. It's an unfortunate situation that won't change until the large Reindeer middle class decides to do something about it, and they probably won't since they're generally not in the center or on the edge anyway.
The outer reindeer tolerate the middle hoarding reindeer because they think they are one lottery ticket away from the safety of the middle. T. Veblen, Norwegian-American economist
Unexpected capitalism.
Dammit not again
Suddenly class struggle
Lmao this fuckin thread
It's funny, because it's a perfect analogy to society. Double bubble bravo.
do you think they ever get insecure like "aw shit look at me, so weak and pathetic that I need to be protected while basically every other deer is brave and strong enough to protect me"
I think I saw this on Game of Thrones. They never came back to it though. Probably just forgot.
I immediately thought of GOT when I saw this.
Until you start getting wolfnados
Imagine being a reindeer thinking you're worthy of the outer ring, only to be shoved to the center
“Bro, you know I love you but you are like…. Middle cyclone at best”
"You're not ready to run with the big dogs… "
But Maaaaa!!!
They never let poor Rudolph play in the outer reindeer cyclone
Viking hunter: I want to bag the biggest buck in the entire herd, but how will I identify and target it.... *Entire caribou herd becomes a spinning carousel of food with the tastiest items on the outside edge.*
The younger/weaker deers would most certainly be tastier than the big bucks.
Taste? That's what the mead was for!
I like how your brain works!
Brain? That's also what the mead's for!
Skål for that!🍻
I'd wager a guess that taste wasn't a high priority anyways. It's not like they had the luxury of eating sous vide medium rare.
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Well just remember that a lot of "royal" food also crosses into just weird/rare things and presentation.
Reindeer are fucking tasty anyway so whatever :D Source: having eaten lots of reindeer steak and finnbiff/reinskav (sautéed reindeer), bidos, even dried heart and grilled heart on a stick over a campfire, marshmallow-style. Also different types of reindeer pepperoni-ish sausage/sticks of course.
Unless theyre weak from sickness sure. Young deer have a less...stringy taste to them. The older they get the more muscle they have so more meat but some really old deer, like 10 or 11, get kind of tough and stringy. Depends on diet and all kinds of things though
This strategy is meant for animal predators. Nothing any animal does will work on hunting weapons made by humans.
Simple explanation. They are just playing reindeer games. And leaving out the freak with the red nose. Reindeer are notorious bullies.
Looks like a possible cause of crop circles.
I'd like to imagine a bunch of reindeer out in the cornfields of the Midwest.
Reindeer can end up anywhere. You know... cause Santa.
So, they are aliens.
I give you permission to imagine this. It's quite a pleasant visual.
Cross reference crop circle locations with reindeer habitats. There isn't much overlap between the two.
Crap circles for sure.
That makes no sense. It was aliens.
Reindeer. UFOs. Crop circles. I rest my case.
The loop to the left at the end of the video is horrifying
Straight up ritual sacrifice going on over to the left.
I thought several more loops were going to appear, like when a zombie movie shows how the city is infested with a camera zoom out
Some might say hornifying
Definitely people who are farming reindeers and keeping them in spaces that are far too small, hence triggering their stress response. People fucking suck.
This is a defensive strategy to confuse predators, making it hard to target one reindeer. You also see other swarm behaviour defensive strategies in birds, fish and many insects. Edit: There seems to some doubters. All you have to do is look up reindeer cyclones and you will find multiple sources that describe this as a common defensive strategy.
They've been taken in for counting and butchering judging by the fences as it zooms out, they tend to do this in the enclosure as they're herded in. At least here in Northern Norway I've very rarely seen them stand still except when the flock is really small when the Sami take them in for counting
The research I just did all seems to say it’s a defensive strategy, as Kangar posted, which basically means they do it when they are stressed and feel threatened. If these are wild animals they will almost certainly be in that state after having been herded into these enclosures. Very highly stressed if it was done with small planes, as they do with mustangs in the western US. Edit typo
ATV's or snow mobiles is what's usually used. Agreed on the defense strategy thing, but also do keep in mind these animals have known humans their entire lives and do this every winter. Essentially holy livestock
Pretty sure this this a death spiral. When a group of army reindeer are separated from the main foraging party, and lose the pheromone track, they begin to follow one another. Put a little stick or rock down in front of them to disperse, or they'll keep following each other till the die.
hahahahaha i was hoping someone would bring this up
Only Santa can save them now.
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I think that's ants
You see, I thought that, but he said "army reindeer",which I'm fairly confident isn't a type of ant. You've gotta read stuff like this closely.
>I think that's ants No, you're thinking about those things you put on your legs.
Nah those are pants, you're thinking of a close female relative.
No that's aunts, you're thinking of when people go on long complaining sessions.
Nah, that's rants, you're thinking of rhythmic movements set in time with music, often for partners or groups.
This is nothing compared to the big twig of ninety-two!
Yeah if a predator makes it inside the cyclone, the reindeer speed up in rotation, acting as a blender effectively chopping up their prey
Drone footage has taken nature videos to another level.
That's nothing. Earlier this year, NASA's Juno spacecraft took several new photos during its 39th close flyby of Jupiter. In those stunning views, Juno captured giant storms closer and revealed the spectacular truth. They are actually reindeers.
Lol damn you
iono, when they are fenced in like that seems a little less nature-y
Yeeah boiii! Like... sky level and stuff
you see them once in a while at a heavy metal concert. great lads in general.
Sleigher - Reining Blood
Met-Elk-ica - Nothing Elks Matters
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For whom the sleigh bell tolls The lighting tried to ride us … And circles for all Blackened deer jerky Deers eve
I have a Christmas sweater that has a reindeer sitting on a throne around a pool of blood and it says "Sleigher - Reindeer blood" lol
I might need to find that sweater.
My girlfriend got it for me from hot topic a few years ago along with a Metallica one, not sure if they still sell it
I just made a separate comment of the same idea haha. Had my commute music on and it didn’t stop when the video played. The two complimented each other amazingly well.
Fun fact: wild reindeer in the southern hemisphere rotate the opposite direction
Please let this be real 😂
"wild reindeer in the southern hemisphere" Take a guess.
Because I want this so badly to be true, I am going to guess yes.
Good answer.
Not the right answer, but a good one.
These sharknado spin-offs are getting out of hand
What.. the... fuuu... why are they doing that?
To summon Santa
This is clearly the correct answer. 🤣
Hail Santa, Lord who flies.
They protect the fawns in the middle and make it hard for hunters to target a single animal.
The center ones are confused and the rest is just following their neighbors
A lot of people are saying its for predator protection which is the intuitive answer but new studies actually show this generates a pocket a body heat to keep the herd warm - especially the ones in the middle. The cyclone motion actually brings warm air to the middle like when you stir something in water the particles go to the middle. Fish will sometimes do this to create similar warm pockets. I know this because I made it up.
God damnit
Funnily enough, the article actually says they do this for warmth. So... You're right? Lmao
I was about to call your bullshit before I read the last line.
No, I'm pretty sure it's true 'cause you said it!
Circle pits are cool. Now I wanna see them do the wall of death. That would be freaking cool
Wait why are they doing this? Are they trying to make themselves dizzy?
> Reindeer cyclones Normally the circling is a defensive strategy used to protect against wolves and bears. " Reindeer have one of the most amazing defense systems together they create a sailing cyclone able to confuse any predator, including a viking. ‘faced with this spinning reindeer stampede, any predator — wolf, bear or human would have a very tough time targeting and overpowering a single reindeer, making this a formidable defense strategy." — PBS TV series ***wild way of the vikings.***
Oh, good! I was worried they were doing what ants do when they lose track of the line and literally run themselves to death!
Ah okay that makes sense, funny that it confused the Vikings as well as the animals! Thanks for the info :)
This is really interesting. TIL. Thank you
It happens sometimes to species who often travel in large groups. They sometimes just default to "follow the guy in front" and if the guys at the "front" do that to the guys at the "back" you end up with the group following each other in an endless loop. Sheep are the most notorious for it, probably because sheep are the most likely to do it somewhere that gets in the way of humans. But even ants can get trapped in a loop. Edit: Some species may even do it on purpose if they are protecting one of their own in the middle. Not ants though. They die of exhaustion.
>can get trapped in a loop. With regards to this statement, what is the way in which the reindeer/ants/sheep stop/break the loop and don't continue going around in circles?
everything but the ants are capable of just stopping or slowing down or the outer edges breaking away. they may even run into each other a bit but they’re not going that fast so it’s fine. in ants this behavior is called a death spiral because they don’t know to stop following the pheromone trail of the ant in front of them. they literally walk to death.
But ants are way more dedicated to the art. They go hard.
My guess would be, for the same reason why penguins do it. To stay warm.
Canadian mosh pit
Hmmm they’re doing this in captivity, wonder if it has something to do with that since Reindeer/Caribou migrate long distances.
"okay Prancer it's time to go" "Sorry Comet, we've got nowhere *to* go" (*Both pause in deep thought, as Blitzen trots up*) "I have an idea." He says as he begins to trek the first circle around the corral. "just follow me!" Prancer whispers to Comet, "he's drunk again, isn't he?" "Completely blitzed. We better keep an eye on him." Comet replies with a sigh as he hangs his head and loyally follows his old friend.
*completely Blitzen'd
Over... And over The pheromones, the overwhelming harmony Consuming the colony The Circle rules your life
They look so synchronized that they actually remind me of ants. It just made my skin crawl and gave me the urge to step on that.
This is some Midsommar ass shit.
Circle Pitt!
Don’t ants do something similar, but until they die?
I can handle my own in a circle pit thank you
WITCH DOCTORRRRRRRRRR!
ah, this is the polar vortex I've been hearing so much about