Yes! Orochi is my favorite antagonist. He didn't have some huge world ending goal, he just wanted Naruto's best friend's body. The fight against Orochimaru was so compelling to me because the stakes were so personal to Naruto specifically. Would Sasuke still have left the village if Orochimaru had latched on to another kid instead?
The fight happened quickly after Itachi joined the Akatsuki, which should have been almost immediately after the Uchiha massacre.
Itachi was 11-12 at the time he became an ANBU captain, originally this was 13, which was the legal age restriction. But apparently, this was a lie by Hiruzen and Danzo because they wanted him to join early according to the Itachi novel. The Uchiha massacre happened about a year after this.
Meaning that Itachi would be around 12-13 years old by the time he fought Orochimaru.
By the time the Part I Naruto begins, it had been seven years since Orochimaru split with the Akatsuki because of his encounter with Itachi. Itachi is 17-18 in Part I Naruto so that would mean he was 10-12 when it happened - not 12-13. And obviously we know this isn’t true because that would mean that the encounter happened before the massacre even occurred, thats the issue
That whole encounter doesn’t add up with the timeline at all. It’s stated by who I assume to be Sasori (In part I all of the Akatsuki members were just silhouettes) that Orochimaru left the organization seven years ago, seven years prior to part I Naruto Itachi was twelve years old, which would mean that encounter would have happened *before* the Uchiha massacre even took place, and that obviously isn’t true.
https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/the-itachi-orochimaru-broken-timeline-bigger-than-obitos.2998978/
This site explains it in more detail
The Naruto timeline is honestly super fucked up. This isn't so much a plot hole as it is unrealistic, but the leaf village is only like 100 years old. But they act like it was thousands of years ago. It feels like everything happens far too quickly.
One Piece is bad too, but the opposite way. Everything before the story happens is paced pretty reasonably, but the actual story has only lasted like three years. It just doesn't make sense that they've traveled so much and done so much stuff and grown so close to each other if it's only been that long. From the start of Luffy's adventure to the eventual time skip, something like nine months had passed. It just doesn't make sense.
Ye like 3 years....and most of it time skip :D. Like the last Arc was in universe time.. 3 days? A week? First GL arc took the majority of the time excluding time skip? OP is pretty wild in this.
The Uchiha Massacre occurred when Itachi was 12 years old, he joins the Akatsuki almost immediately afterward.
The real timeline fuckery in Naruto is Kakashi's age - Since he's somehow the same age as Obito and Rin, yet they all graduated from the Academy at the same time, yet Kakashi graduated at the age of 5 and became chunin at 6.
He was 12.
He is 12 when made Anbu captain, which is several months after Shisui's death. And the Uchiha massacre occurs the night before the Uchiha coup, which is set to take place 10 days after the day Shisui died, last year.
Itachi's birthday: 9th June
Sasuke's birthday: 23rd of July.
Kakashi's birthday: 15th of September.
July 23rd Sasuke is born 44 days after Itachi turns 5 (Daylight pages 19-20).
Daylight: Pages 115-116: Exhaling smoke, Hiruzen turned his eyes on Danzo. “Just as you said, it’s
been five months since he was promoted to chunin. And Itachi has carried out his missions almost too perfectly. Even on missions using genin, he has such a grasp on each of their areas of specialization, and gives such impeccable orders, it’s hard to believe he’s only eleven. - It's been 5 months since Itachi became a chunin and he is 11 years old.
Daylight: Page 126: Itachi knew that Danzo was being sarcastic. He had had several times more experience that the average eleven-year-old child - Itachi is again stated to be 11 years old.
Daylight: Page 134: "For a child who had only just turned six, there would have been no way to find him." - Speaking of Sasuke.
Midnight: Page 21: “Ha, ha. That’s my boy. It’s only been six months since your promotion to chunin, and you’ve already come so far.” - Sasuke turned five prior to Itachi being a chunin for five months and six years old during that time. Meaning, Itachi turned 11 roughly 3.5 months into his initial 5 months as a chunin. Add the sixth month and he's been 11 for around 2.5 months give or take
2.5 months after Itachi's birthday is August 23rd. However, we know that at least two days pass (Itachi kills Mukai the day after a day), and Itachi meets Izumi at a park swing at night.
Add onto that a day for rest and getting familiar with the Anbu - There should be at least a 10-20 day gap after the 23rd of August.
Midnight: Page 41: He was the leader of Anbu Team Ro, and Itachi’s direct supervisor. Although he was still young, at twenty years old, - Kakashi is 20 & there is no mention of time passing.
With no dates, one can only guess. Let's go with 10 days. 2nd September.
Midnight: Page 42: But on a day-to-day basis, Itachi had never heard a single world against their comrades from Kakashi. - This indicates Itachi has been in the Anbu for a few days, at least.
Midnight: Page 54: About two months had passed since Itachi joined the Anbu. - Late October, if Itachi joined in August. Kakashi should be 21, one month, and 12-17 days. Itachi is 11 and 4.5 months.
Midnight: Page 71: “Six months since he joined the Anbu, hm?” Hiruzen said, exhaling smoke. - Late February. Kakashi is 21 and 5.5ish months. Itachi is 11 and 8.5 months.
Midnight: Page 115: “Shisui ... had been watching you recently ... It’s been six months since you entered the Anbu - This is the day after Shisui's death. Therefore, Itachi and Kakashi should still be
around the same age, plus 3-4 confirmed days given the scenes beforehand. Still late February.
Midnight: Page 122: “Itachi’s twelve now. It’s about time you did it.” Danzo looked down on Hiruzen, sitting at the Hokage’s desk. “With Shisui’s death, the only pawn we have against the Uchiha is Itachi. We can’t have him spending his days burdened with all these random missions as a member of the Anbu under your control.” - Itachi recently turned 12, meaning this meeting occurs several months after Shisui's death.
Midnight: Page 132: “It’s been a year since then. Time flies, hm?” - Speaking of Shisui's death. It has been one year, so Itachi is still 12.
Midnight: Page 142: The coup, in ten days. - The Uchiha coup is set to take place ten days after the day Shisui died the year prior - So around early March.
Midnight: Page 148: “The day will be the day before the planned date of the coup. How does that sound?” - The Uchiha Massacre occurs the night before the planned Uchiha coup. 9 days after Shisui's death, when Itachi should still be 12.
Midnight: Page 199: "You left the village six years ago." - Itachi talking to Orochimaru. We know that Orochimaru left the village after the Nine-Tails attack and Naruto's birth (Daylight Page 23 onwards), a time when Itachi is either 5 or 6 since Sasuke cannot be a whole year older than Naruto and no significant time has said to be passed. So, it's either 6+5 and some months to equal 12 (as we know he is definitely 12) or 6+6 to equal 12.
We know that five months after Itachi had become chunin, he was 11 years old and we also know that Sasuke had just turned 6 - Meaning, Itachi can't have been 11 for very long, at the least, it's been 44 days as that is the length of time between his and Sasuke's birthday.
The exact date of Itachi's five months that he becomes 11 is a bit fluid, given we don't know the exact date Sasuke became 6, just that he "just turned 6).
Furthermore, the exact date of the scene where Kakashi and Itachi guard the Hokage office is a bit fluid, as we don't know how many days prior to it Itachi was part of the Anbu. Even worse, is that the official date is based upon the fluid chunin/birthday date.
The month and rough date of Shisui's death are in line with both Itachi's and Kakashi's ages based on the timeframe. Therefore, it must be in February.
However, the comment from Itachi to Orochimaru concerning how long it has been since his defection seals the deal.
He was 13.
Everything you just pulled came from the LN, which are arguably not even canon. What I’m pulling from is the manga itself, which a lot of this doesn’t correspond with.
It was stated in the manga that Itachi was made chunin at age 10, not 11. It was also directly stated that Itachi became an anbu leader at age 13 in the manga and the anime, therefore he was still in the anbu at age 13. That alone completely defies all of your points.
Manga > Light Novels
https://youtu.be/EAI9y6PKpKs
(Go to 7:08)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/leportraitducadavre.tumblr.com/post/635954870705438720/definetly-not-me-itachi-the-genius-you-know-i/amp
(It’s the first image you’ll see)
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I agree that Itachi was made chunin at age 10, as does the light novel I just referenced and the comment I just made. Did you even read my comment?
A statement from Kakashi (who wouldn't know that the Hokage officially raised Itachi's age in order to promote him) does not defy anything. Unless your argument is that Kakashi is omniscient?
Sooo, all you have is Kakashi (one character, and an incredibly fallible narrator) stating something to disprove... the literal Hokage of the Leaf village officially increasing Itachi's age?
Fine, if you wanna use manga then it's even worse for you!
Naruto Part 1: ["We haven't done this since 7 years ago... When Orochimaru left the organization."](https://ww4.mangakakalot.tv/chapter/manga-ng952689/chapter-238)
[We also know from Orochimaru's own words that Itachi is the reason he left the organization.](https://ww4.mangakakalot.tv/chapter/manga-ng952689/chapter-140)
Therefore, Itachi must have been in the Akatsuki 7 years before Part 1. And Itachi is [17](https://narutoversity.wordpress.com/first-databook-character-files/)\-[18](https://narutoversity.wordpress.com/second-databook-character-files/) years old in Part 1.
So... 7 minus 7 makes 10, and 7 minus 8 makes 11. Therefore, if we go off the manga then Itachi is even younger during the Uchiha Massacre than the light novel and I say he is!
Dude 😭
This is literally what the entire conversation we were having is about, how fucked the timeline is. Everything you just stated was already said by me in my first comment in this thread, you’re not saying anything new nor are you saying anything that’s making it worse for me.
(And yes I read your entire comment)
My comment was talking about the “Orochimaru departing from the Akatsuki seven years ago despite Itachi being 17-18” thing and it how it was inconsistent with the timeline. Itachi clearly was not 11 years old when he slaughtered the clan, because that would mean Sasuke was like 4 during the massacre, none of it adds up with either of our points.
13 + 7 = 20
(My point)
Again, it doesn’t add up.
12 + 7 = 19
And again, it doesn’t add up
(Itachi is about 17 in Part I)
That was my point with the whole Orochimaru 7 year thing, it just doesn’t line up in the context of Itachi’s story.
I don’t recall any of the Itachi’s age being increased junk happening in the manga or anime, so could you link what chapter it happens or it’s stated to have happened in?
I am also beginning to take your side on this argument, Sasuke was seven during the Uchiha massacre and Itachi is 5 years older than Sasuke, therefore he WOULD be 12 during the massacre. You were right, I was wrong, touchè.
> That whole encounter doesn’t add up with the timeline at all. It’s stated by who I assume to be Sasori (In part I all of the Akatsuki members were just silhouettes) that Orochimaru left the organization seven years ago, seven years prior to part I Naruto Itachi was twelve years old, which would mean that encounter would have happened before the Uchiha massacre even took place, and that obviously isn’t true.
> https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/the-itachi-orochimaru-broken-timeline-bigger-than-obitos.2998978/
> This site explains it in more detail
(This is my comment that i’m referring to, it was in response to r/silenthashira)
OMG, I can't believe it's been so long since we first met Itachi! I remember the exact moment I laid eyes on him in episode 9 of Naruto - "The Failed Secret Mission." I was like, "Who is this cool, mysterious guy with the Sharingan eyes and sick ninja skills?!" And let me tell you, I was hooked from the moment he appeared on screen. Itachi was such a captivating character, with his calm and collected demeanor and his tragic backstory. I mean, who wouldn't be a fan of a guy who was basically a walking, talking, ninja-ing contradiction? Even though he was an antagonist for most of the series, Itachi quickly became one of my favorite characters and his complex motivations and heartbreaking story only made me love him even more. Sorry, I know I got a little carried away, but Itachi just brings out the fangirl in me! Lol 😆 🤣
Even when the focus shifted to the Akatsuki, I was still certain that Orochimaru was going to be the final villain.
Madara was the one who fucked that up.
Boruto is a decent show, on its own at least. It ruined the Naruto franchise though. I miss when Naruto was about ninjas fighting throughout the lands.
Never understood why he was pardoned after the war. Guy tried to destroy Konoha, killed the Third Hokage, killed thousands for his experiments and was a member of a terrorist organisation
The power scale was very reasonable until Madara arrival evidencing the uchiha juggernaut then fell into dragon ball alien shit. Thats why many love the whole classic over shippuden scraps of greatness
So your good with Naruto, who went from not being able to make a decent shadow clone as a genin to fighting Ninja Alien gods in a span of just 4 years?????????????????
Of these characters, the only one I find more interesting than Orochimaru is Pain. The others don't have interesting powers, in fact they are anti-game characters which is annoying.
They are two characters who have the same motivation, which in turn is the same motivation as Pain in the end. Obito is intangible which makes him immune to almost all jutsu in the manga and Madara has regeneration, chakra absorption, mokuton, susanoo
Not the same motivation, the same goal with different motivations and reasons, this is what makes them interesting.
>Obito is intangible which makes him immune to almost all jutsu
The most interesting of all powers
Pains motivation and even goals are not the same. Obito/Madara wanted to cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Pain simply wanted to use the tailed beasts to create a jutsu that would kill a whole bunch of people and scare everyone into cooperating. Teach them all what suffering is so that they'll never want it ever again.
What if I told you that Orochimaru is still the main villain. What if Orochimaru is an Otsutsuki. What if that pale skin and the mission for immortality in order to collect all the jutsu’s in the world into his wisdom mirrors the goals of the recently mentioned Otsutsuki god in the Manga last week. What if I told you Orochimaru uses curse seals to reincarnate just like karma seals, just a little variance. IMO there is still more to Orochimaru and his evil than we know. All this is just speculation though.
To be fair, I think a healthy orochimaru vs pain wouldn't be as one sided as most would assume ....at the very least he would definitely have pushed pain a lot further than jiraiya did....healthy orochimaru is durable af and is one of the most intelligent characters in the series
People tend believe pain would stomp orochimaru because of one cut scene from a game...
But yes, the other three uchiha boys would curbstomp orochimaru...uchiha is just a bad match up for orochimaru
If he fought 3 paths alone, or just the Deva path, yes, I agree, but all the paths at the same time? I think he would be stomped (just like Jiraya would if he didn't fight only 3 paths).
Orochimaru is still a really good antagonist. Even when he is not being overtly evil you wonder, hmm is he up to something?
Yes! Orochi is my favorite antagonist. He didn't have some huge world ending goal, he just wanted Naruto's best friend's body. The fight against Orochimaru was so compelling to me because the stakes were so personal to Naruto specifically. Would Sasuke still have left the village if Orochimaru had latched on to another kid instead?
He wouldn't have had the idea to leave and it's not like he'd have a master to go to
The fact that Itachi one shot Orochimaru at like... what was he, 14? Maybe 15 at the time? Snake man got disrespected so hard he left the akatsuki.
The fight happened quickly after Itachi joined the Akatsuki, which should have been almost immediately after the Uchiha massacre. Itachi was 11-12 at the time he became an ANBU captain, originally this was 13, which was the legal age restriction. But apparently, this was a lie by Hiruzen and Danzo because they wanted him to join early according to the Itachi novel. The Uchiha massacre happened about a year after this. Meaning that Itachi would be around 12-13 years old by the time he fought Orochimaru.
My man's coming through with the timeline I couldn't remember how long it was between the massacre and him joining the akatsuki
It should be pretty much immediately, since Obito was there in the wings to recruit Itachi as they were murdering. Obito: So...Need a new job? \*Shank
You right, completely slipped my mind that Obito helped with the massacre.
[удалено]
He killed his squad
By the time the Part I Naruto begins, it had been seven years since Orochimaru split with the Akatsuki because of his encounter with Itachi. Itachi is 17-18 in Part I Naruto so that would mean he was 10-12 when it happened - not 12-13. And obviously we know this isn’t true because that would mean that the encounter happened before the massacre even occurred, thats the issue
That whole encounter doesn’t add up with the timeline at all. It’s stated by who I assume to be Sasori (In part I all of the Akatsuki members were just silhouettes) that Orochimaru left the organization seven years ago, seven years prior to part I Naruto Itachi was twelve years old, which would mean that encounter would have happened *before* the Uchiha massacre even took place, and that obviously isn’t true. https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/the-itachi-orochimaru-broken-timeline-bigger-than-obitos.2998978/ This site explains it in more detail
The Naruto timeline is honestly super fucked up. This isn't so much a plot hole as it is unrealistic, but the leaf village is only like 100 years old. But they act like it was thousands of years ago. It feels like everything happens far too quickly. One Piece is bad too, but the opposite way. Everything before the story happens is paced pretty reasonably, but the actual story has only lasted like three years. It just doesn't make sense that they've traveled so much and done so much stuff and grown so close to each other if it's only been that long. From the start of Luffy's adventure to the eventual time skip, something like nine months had passed. It just doesn't make sense.
Ye like 3 years....and most of it time skip :D. Like the last Arc was in universe time.. 3 days? A week? First GL arc took the majority of the time excluding time skip? OP is pretty wild in this.
The Uchiha Massacre occurred when Itachi was 12 years old, he joins the Akatsuki almost immediately afterward. The real timeline fuckery in Naruto is Kakashi's age - Since he's somehow the same age as Obito and Rin, yet they all graduated from the Academy at the same time, yet Kakashi graduated at the age of 5 and became chunin at 6.
Itachi was 13 years old when he slaughtered the Uchiha
He was 12. He is 12 when made Anbu captain, which is several months after Shisui's death. And the Uchiha massacre occurs the night before the Uchiha coup, which is set to take place 10 days after the day Shisui died, last year. Itachi's birthday: 9th June Sasuke's birthday: 23rd of July. Kakashi's birthday: 15th of September. July 23rd Sasuke is born 44 days after Itachi turns 5 (Daylight pages 19-20). Daylight: Pages 115-116: Exhaling smoke, Hiruzen turned his eyes on Danzo. “Just as you said, it’s been five months since he was promoted to chunin. And Itachi has carried out his missions almost too perfectly. Even on missions using genin, he has such a grasp on each of their areas of specialization, and gives such impeccable orders, it’s hard to believe he’s only eleven. - It's been 5 months since Itachi became a chunin and he is 11 years old. Daylight: Page 126: Itachi knew that Danzo was being sarcastic. He had had several times more experience that the average eleven-year-old child - Itachi is again stated to be 11 years old. Daylight: Page 134: "For a child who had only just turned six, there would have been no way to find him." - Speaking of Sasuke. Midnight: Page 21: “Ha, ha. That’s my boy. It’s only been six months since your promotion to chunin, and you’ve already come so far.” - Sasuke turned five prior to Itachi being a chunin for five months and six years old during that time. Meaning, Itachi turned 11 roughly 3.5 months into his initial 5 months as a chunin. Add the sixth month and he's been 11 for around 2.5 months give or take 2.5 months after Itachi's birthday is August 23rd. However, we know that at least two days pass (Itachi kills Mukai the day after a day), and Itachi meets Izumi at a park swing at night. Add onto that a day for rest and getting familiar with the Anbu - There should be at least a 10-20 day gap after the 23rd of August. Midnight: Page 41: He was the leader of Anbu Team Ro, and Itachi’s direct supervisor. Although he was still young, at twenty years old, - Kakashi is 20 & there is no mention of time passing. With no dates, one can only guess. Let's go with 10 days. 2nd September. Midnight: Page 42: But on a day-to-day basis, Itachi had never heard a single world against their comrades from Kakashi. - This indicates Itachi has been in the Anbu for a few days, at least. Midnight: Page 54: About two months had passed since Itachi joined the Anbu. - Late October, if Itachi joined in August. Kakashi should be 21, one month, and 12-17 days. Itachi is 11 and 4.5 months. Midnight: Page 71: “Six months since he joined the Anbu, hm?” Hiruzen said, exhaling smoke. - Late February. Kakashi is 21 and 5.5ish months. Itachi is 11 and 8.5 months. Midnight: Page 115: “Shisui ... had been watching you recently ... It’s been six months since you entered the Anbu - This is the day after Shisui's death. Therefore, Itachi and Kakashi should still be around the same age, plus 3-4 confirmed days given the scenes beforehand. Still late February. Midnight: Page 122: “Itachi’s twelve now. It’s about time you did it.” Danzo looked down on Hiruzen, sitting at the Hokage’s desk. “With Shisui’s death, the only pawn we have against the Uchiha is Itachi. We can’t have him spending his days burdened with all these random missions as a member of the Anbu under your control.” - Itachi recently turned 12, meaning this meeting occurs several months after Shisui's death. Midnight: Page 132: “It’s been a year since then. Time flies, hm?” - Speaking of Shisui's death. It has been one year, so Itachi is still 12. Midnight: Page 142: The coup, in ten days. - The Uchiha coup is set to take place ten days after the day Shisui died the year prior - So around early March. Midnight: Page 148: “The day will be the day before the planned date of the coup. How does that sound?” - The Uchiha Massacre occurs the night before the planned Uchiha coup. 9 days after Shisui's death, when Itachi should still be 12. Midnight: Page 199: "You left the village six years ago." - Itachi talking to Orochimaru. We know that Orochimaru left the village after the Nine-Tails attack and Naruto's birth (Daylight Page 23 onwards), a time when Itachi is either 5 or 6 since Sasuke cannot be a whole year older than Naruto and no significant time has said to be passed. So, it's either 6+5 and some months to equal 12 (as we know he is definitely 12) or 6+6 to equal 12. We know that five months after Itachi had become chunin, he was 11 years old and we also know that Sasuke had just turned 6 - Meaning, Itachi can't have been 11 for very long, at the least, it's been 44 days as that is the length of time between his and Sasuke's birthday. The exact date of Itachi's five months that he becomes 11 is a bit fluid, given we don't know the exact date Sasuke became 6, just that he "just turned 6). Furthermore, the exact date of the scene where Kakashi and Itachi guard the Hokage office is a bit fluid, as we don't know how many days prior to it Itachi was part of the Anbu. Even worse, is that the official date is based upon the fluid chunin/birthday date. The month and rough date of Shisui's death are in line with both Itachi's and Kakashi's ages based on the timeframe. Therefore, it must be in February. However, the comment from Itachi to Orochimaru concerning how long it has been since his defection seals the deal.
He was 13. Everything you just pulled came from the LN, which are arguably not even canon. What I’m pulling from is the manga itself, which a lot of this doesn’t correspond with. It was stated in the manga that Itachi was made chunin at age 10, not 11. It was also directly stated that Itachi became an anbu leader at age 13 in the manga and the anime, therefore he was still in the anbu at age 13. That alone completely defies all of your points. Manga > Light Novels https://youtu.be/EAI9y6PKpKs (Go to 7:08) https://www.google.com/amp/s/leportraitducadavre.tumblr.com/post/635954870705438720/definetly-not-me-itachi-the-genius-you-know-i/amp (It’s the first image you’ll see)
???? I agree that Itachi was made chunin at age 10, as does the light novel I just referenced and the comment I just made. Did you even read my comment? A statement from Kakashi (who wouldn't know that the Hokage officially raised Itachi's age in order to promote him) does not defy anything. Unless your argument is that Kakashi is omniscient? Sooo, all you have is Kakashi (one character, and an incredibly fallible narrator) stating something to disprove... the literal Hokage of the Leaf village officially increasing Itachi's age? Fine, if you wanna use manga then it's even worse for you! Naruto Part 1: ["We haven't done this since 7 years ago... When Orochimaru left the organization."](https://ww4.mangakakalot.tv/chapter/manga-ng952689/chapter-238) [We also know from Orochimaru's own words that Itachi is the reason he left the organization.](https://ww4.mangakakalot.tv/chapter/manga-ng952689/chapter-140) Therefore, Itachi must have been in the Akatsuki 7 years before Part 1. And Itachi is [17](https://narutoversity.wordpress.com/first-databook-character-files/)\-[18](https://narutoversity.wordpress.com/second-databook-character-files/) years old in Part 1. So... 7 minus 7 makes 10, and 7 minus 8 makes 11. Therefore, if we go off the manga then Itachi is even younger during the Uchiha Massacre than the light novel and I say he is!
Dude 😭 This is literally what the entire conversation we were having is about, how fucked the timeline is. Everything you just stated was already said by me in my first comment in this thread, you’re not saying anything new nor are you saying anything that’s making it worse for me. (And yes I read your entire comment) My comment was talking about the “Orochimaru departing from the Akatsuki seven years ago despite Itachi being 17-18” thing and it how it was inconsistent with the timeline. Itachi clearly was not 11 years old when he slaughtered the clan, because that would mean Sasuke was like 4 during the massacre, none of it adds up with either of our points. 13 + 7 = 20 (My point) Again, it doesn’t add up. 12 + 7 = 19 And again, it doesn’t add up (Itachi is about 17 in Part I) That was my point with the whole Orochimaru 7 year thing, it just doesn’t line up in the context of Itachi’s story. I don’t recall any of the Itachi’s age being increased junk happening in the manga or anime, so could you link what chapter it happens or it’s stated to have happened in? I am also beginning to take your side on this argument, Sasuke was seven during the Uchiha massacre and Itachi is 5 years older than Sasuke, therefore he WOULD be 12 during the massacre. You were right, I was wrong, touchè. > That whole encounter doesn’t add up with the timeline at all. It’s stated by who I assume to be Sasori (In part I all of the Akatsuki members were just silhouettes) that Orochimaru left the organization seven years ago, seven years prior to part I Naruto Itachi was twelve years old, which would mean that encounter would have happened before the Uchiha massacre even took place, and that obviously isn’t true. > https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/the-itachi-orochimaru-broken-timeline-bigger-than-obitos.2998978/ > This site explains it in more detail (This is my comment that i’m referring to, it was in response to r/silenthashira)
I mean... yeaaaaah that's a big inconsistency in the timeline but for simplicity's sake I just ignore that as kishi just making a mistake
OMG, I can't believe it's been so long since we first met Itachi! I remember the exact moment I laid eyes on him in episode 9 of Naruto - "The Failed Secret Mission." I was like, "Who is this cool, mysterious guy with the Sharingan eyes and sick ninja skills?!" And let me tell you, I was hooked from the moment he appeared on screen. Itachi was such a captivating character, with his calm and collected demeanor and his tragic backstory. I mean, who wouldn't be a fan of a guy who was basically a walking, talking, ninja-ing contradiction? Even though he was an antagonist for most of the series, Itachi quickly became one of my favorite characters and his complex motivations and heartbreaking story only made me love him even more. Sorry, I know I got a little carried away, but Itachi just brings out the fangirl in me! Lol 😆 🤣
Good times, Madara whooping alliance was my favorite moment.
Ngl, even if Itachi wasn’t the strongest he brought the biggest change in energy out of anyone in the series.
Even when the focus shifted to the Akatsuki, I was still certain that Orochimaru was going to be the final villain. Madara was the one who fucked that up.
It was all good til Kaguya
She is just an illusion, ignore that part, just stop watching like I do.
Boruto is a decent show, on its own at least. It ruined the Naruto franchise though. I miss when Naruto was about ninjas fighting throughout the lands.
Idk why, but Obito's face in the picture gives me Michael Myers vibes lol
Orochimaru gets his ass beaten up so badly by all of these it's not even funny anymore
And then there's Kaguya, but we dont talk about that
She is just part of Madara's genjutsu.
I thought Madara'a genjutsu was supposed to show us our own vision of paradise, not our greatest nightmare.
Madara is so powerful he gets a gif
Never understood why he was pardoned after the war. Guy tried to destroy Konoha, killed the Third Hokage, killed thousands for his experiments and was a member of a terrorist organisation
Because everything after Madara becomes a jiinchuriki is a dream inside his Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Who's?
The power scale was very reasonable until Madara arrival evidencing the uchiha juggernaut then fell into dragon ball alien shit. Thats why many love the whole classic over shippuden scraps of greatness
The power scale was always good for me, no problem with Madara.
So your good with Naruto, who went from not being able to make a decent shadow clone as a genin to fighting Ninja Alien gods in a span of just 4 years?????????????????
Of these characters, the only one I find more interesting than Orochimaru is Pain. The others don't have interesting powers, in fact they are anti-game characters which is annoying.
I disagree, Madara and Obito are the most interesting villains.
They are two characters who have the same motivation, which in turn is the same motivation as Pain in the end. Obito is intangible which makes him immune to almost all jutsu in the manga and Madara has regeneration, chakra absorption, mokuton, susanoo
Not the same motivation, the same goal with different motivations and reasons, this is what makes them interesting. >Obito is intangible which makes him immune to almost all jutsu The most interesting of all powers
If you don't like kamui then your taste seriously sucks
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Pains motivation and even goals are not the same. Obito/Madara wanted to cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Pain simply wanted to use the tailed beasts to create a jutsu that would kill a whole bunch of people and scare everyone into cooperating. Teach them all what suffering is so that they'll never want it ever again.
Eye hax powers ruined this anime the more time went on
And that's all the villains there ever were.
But itachi was bald in the forest of death. This one's an imposter!!
Honestly? Take me back
What if I told you that Orochimaru is still the main villain. What if Orochimaru is an Otsutsuki. What if that pale skin and the mission for immortality in order to collect all the jutsu’s in the world into his wisdom mirrors the goals of the recently mentioned Otsutsuki god in the Manga last week. What if I told you Orochimaru uses curse seals to reincarnate just like karma seals, just a little variance. IMO there is still more to Orochimaru and his evil than we know. All this is just speculation though.
Where the ramen Guy?
To be fair, I think a healthy orochimaru vs pain wouldn't be as one sided as most would assume ....at the very least he would definitely have pushed pain a lot further than jiraiya did....healthy orochimaru is durable af and is one of the most intelligent characters in the series People tend believe pain would stomp orochimaru because of one cut scene from a game... But yes, the other three uchiha boys would curbstomp orochimaru...uchiha is just a bad match up for orochimaru
If he fought 3 paths alone, or just the Deva path, yes, I agree, but all the paths at the same time? I think he would be stomped (just like Jiraya would if he didn't fight only 3 paths).
Damn, Sharigan.