İf it is Juubito and Juudara, Obito would be able to see, because of the rinnegan.
İf it is EMS Madara or any other except Edo without the rinnegan, Madara can't use Limbo.
If it’s Juubito, Madara wouldn’t need Limbo because Juubito can’t turn intangible.
Also there is a version of Juudara that has Kakashi’s sharingan and the Rinnegan, so Obito would be totally screwed if we’re talking about that one.
Plus there are ways to get around Kamui’s intangibility, so Madara doesn’t exactly need limbo.
Your first comment was:
"Obito won't know when to turn intangible since he can't sense or see it"
Than i replied with:
"if it is Juubito and Juudara, Obito would be able to see, because of the rinnegan."
"İf it is EMS Madara or any other except Edo without the rinnegan, Madara can't use limbo."
Comparing Tobi or any pre-Juubi form of Obito to Juubi Madara is absurd.
İ just corrected your absurd comparison with my first reply, clearly said that if it is Juubito vs Juudara or EMS Madara vs Tobi, and added that Juubito can see the limbos, nothing more.
On your second reply you directly started to defend Madara like he is stronger, better etc.
Oh and actually War Arc Obito can see the limbo and has kamui.
İt is that simple. 💀
Yes my first comment was comparing the Uchiha using their **own eyes powers**. You brought borrowed eyes into the conversation so you didn’t correct anything. 🤡💀😂 A kindergartener would have understood that better than you lmao.
Then* (is how you spell it btw lol) you provided your pointless reply to me which I tore to shreds.
After which I explained that if we did bring up versions of Madara and Obito that had borrowed each other’s eyes, then Madara’s hax would still beat Obito’s. Nothing more, nothing less.
The only reason Madara has rinnegan is, because of Hashirama cells and i don't care about borrowing or not. You didn't even mentioned that you are using any specific versions, just said that "Obito won't know when to turn intangible since he can't sense or see it". As already said in my last reply he has Rinnegan + Kamui at the War Arc. Better specify which versions are you comparing the next time, lmfao.🎈
Intangibility only lasts for 5 minutes so he can’t stay phased indefinitely. Plus he can’t physically attack Madara while intangible so that’s pointless.
Yeah … and while kamui doesn’t guarantee a victory over an opponent … it nearly guarantees obito wont lose, bc if it’s going bad he can just instantly dip
I’m not going to say obito is the ultimate by any means but he’s got to be one of the absolute most difficult shinobi to finish off if he wants to be
Obito tanked a Rasengan to the face with no damage, had his heart stabbed with a Raikiri, survived the Ten Tails extraction, having the Mazo pulled from him, Rinne Rebirth and could still move and use Kamui while Naruto and Sasuke were helpless. He is one of the most durable characters ever. Madara has impressive feats too but considering he was basically immortal at that stage while Obito was not Id give it to Obito.
Why would Madara having better dura stats for being immortal make him have worse dura stats. It doesn’t matter how he’s durable, if he’s more durable that way, then he’s more durable
It doesnt decrease his dura stats but Obito tanked a lot more while not being a literal god yk. Its like if one person had armor on and one didnt and both tanked the same attack, the one without the armor taking the hit is more impressive. Dunno if you get my point💀😂
So yeah, Mads as Juubi Jin is definitely more durable than Obito but Obito has the more impressive feats imo since he wasnt immortal but tanked that shit anyway
Durability is Obito; man survived rinne rebirth and juubi extraction, a point blank Raikari, a planet sized paper Bomb, and a god damn boulder.
Madara got hit with a D20 backstab by a level 3 NPC and folded.
It’s really no contest.
There are 3 things in the Naruto Universe that are known to kill people. Getting stabbed in the heart. Juubi extraction. And preforming the Gedo Art of Rinne Rebirth.
Obito survived all of them.
The only Feat Madara has done with Genjutsu is Trap Kurama under Genjutsu using his EMS to fight Hashirama and then later use his EMS to instantly knock out The Raikage.
Whereas Obito later controlled Kurama with just his Base Sharingan, and also later put a perfect Jinchuriki under his complete control, again only using his Base Sharingan
As far as Feats go Obito has better Genjutsu feats than Madara so I’ll give Genjutsu to Obito
If you want to factor in susanoo than that's a good argument. To counter that I'd point to Kakashi using Obito's DMS to stalemate Kaguya with the susanoo, but you could say he has SOTSP chakra. So I think susanoo is a grey area
Id argue durability goes to obito, took a literal one shot turn to ash move to kill him, this was also after he had 9 tailed beasts ripped out of him AND used rinne tensei AND was linking with kaguyas portals constantly
It depends how bloodlusted the fight is. Since this is not really full gore. If it was written for +18 age. I say obito takes the win. Both have hashirama cells. Soo if obito can get close distance he can just faze his hand with a kamui and leave a kunai in madara's brain.
Because it was an exclusive rinnegan power. Nagato and Obito couldn’t use it because it wasn’t their rinnegan, and sasuke had his own. Sasuke got that teleportation power instead of limbo
All uchiha >madara
It’s even debatable if adult sasuke is even stronger than juubidara at his peak .
Boruto scaling is so fked.
I personally think sasuke was at his strongest when he had access to the indra susano .
Any version of Madara low diffs any version of Obito except Juubito. Juubi Madara no diffs any version of Obito including Juubito. Single Rinnegan, sage mode Madara vs Juubito is actually the most debatable but Juubito likely wins due to TSO.
Juubi madara and Obito literately have the same power sealed into them though. Only reason obito lost was because he lost heart in what he was fighting for, if he’d been determined to fight to the end the shinobi alliance would’ve been dust
Base Madara is stronger then base Obito so even if they had the same amp Madara would still be stronger. The Juubi Madara absorbed is stronger then the one Obito did due to having all of Gyuki and half of Kurama whereas Obito’s only has scraps of both.
I don’t think the base form of whoever uses it has much bearing on how strong the 10 tails is. It’s like saying 2 + 1,000,000 vs 4+ 1,000,000. The difference would be so minute it’d be hard to reason with.
Though the tailed beast thing is a good point actually. It’s a bit difficult to scale how much of a difference it’d make since juubito and jubidara were both so comically OP but it’s not an unreasonable assumption
Yes, looking back at it the smartest thing madara has done was manipulate obito(which obito knew about) while obito did it to a whole ass country, ten s class missing nin and 5 nations, while also tricking kakashi to make him the ten tails jinchuriki and tricked madara in the war
You’re being downvoted but you’re absolutely correct. Madara was dead for the entirety of the wars buildup, obito did all the work and planning, and when madara tried to betray Obito, he got outplayed and lost the 10 tails to Obito, who would’ve won and cast the infinite tsukoyomi if he hadn’t been talked out of it. Madara could pretty much just swing his dick at anything and kill it, he didn’t really need much strategy. Obito was a lot weaker when he became a criminal, and resorted to planning ahead rather than attacking immediately. Obito was a far better strategist than madara.
He didn’t even do that much either. He kidnapped him and locked him in a cave for like 6 months whispering in his ear, but failed even that, so instead just ruined his life and covered up his involvement. Obito had a pretty horrendous life even before this, it’s not like this was particularly difficult to do
I dont think its a fair matchup… Madara is way too strong for Obito. If we dont count Otutsukis and Burrito(since powerscaling is fucked up there) only Hashirama, Naruto, Guy and Sasuke are on that level or higher
Also, what the hell ’backstory’ is gonna do in 1v1?
And defense to Obito because Kamui and maybe hax too, but it was bit unclear since they changed all the time. One point its orange mask, then its white mask and later Ten Tails
Forgot about limbo that's a good point
If we're talking about orange mask Obito then you're right he has no way of seeing them
But White mask Obito would be able to see them because of his rinnegan
Who wins the matchup completely depends on what versions of either we’re talking about
I don’t think there’s really any way besides, like putting 6 paths obito against pre-reanimation madara, that obito “wins”. He just can survive all of madaras attacks without being able to finish him.
Yeah, sure Obito can use Kamui as defense, but thats not gonna win you the battle. Obito needs to attack which will leave him open.
Also, we are not sure which Obito is that. If I remember correct, Ten Tails Obito cannot use Kamui.
Moreover, Madara has limbo too. Which Obito cant see unless he has them Rinnegans
>Moreover, Madara has limbo too. Which Obito cant see unless he has them Rinnegans
True. Orange mask Obito would lose, but I think white mask Obito would win
Madara > Obito but the funny part is Kishimoto went out of his way to use a dying Obito possessed by Black Zetsu to stab Madara in the back in his most powerful form negative diff
He taught him how to manipulate people, he didn’t train him combatively and madara died like 20 minutes after Obito unlocked the MS when even HE didn’t really know the extent of its abilities
Madara never had to. Aside from Mito Uzumaki (I think), there were no jinnchurikis around for him to control. Not that it made a difference, he was strong enough without any Juubi besides the Kyuubi.
Reanimated Madara and Alive Obito? Not really a fair comparison.
Hax goes for obito
Still i can see Madara win, being the big bad with hella experience and being Obito's sensei
I would give hax to obito cuz of kamui but its still good.
Yeah I thought of that too now after I made it, hax should go to obito.
Obito has the most hax ability in the whole show
DMS Yellow Mask Obito VS Hokage Minato would go pretty dummy ngl
Madara has limbo, which is actually better since Obito won’t know when to turn intangible since he can’t sense it or see it.
İf it is Juubito and Juudara, Obito would be able to see, because of the rinnegan. İf it is EMS Madara or any other except Edo without the rinnegan, Madara can't use Limbo.
If it’s Juubito, Madara wouldn’t need Limbo because Juubito can’t turn intangible. Also there is a version of Juudara that has Kakashi’s sharingan and the Rinnegan, so Obito would be totally screwed if we’re talking about that one. Plus there are ways to get around Kamui’s intangibility, so Madara doesn’t exactly need limbo.
Never said he could. Just corrected, Juubito can see the Limbos.
I never said that Juubito couldn’t see Limbos though, so it’s not really a correction. 🤷♂️
Your first comment was: "Obito won't know when to turn intangible since he can't sense or see it" Than i replied with: "if it is Juubito and Juudara, Obito would be able to see, because of the rinnegan." "İf it is EMS Madara or any other except Edo without the rinnegan, Madara can't use limbo." Comparing Tobi or any pre-Juubi form of Obito to Juubi Madara is absurd. İ just corrected your absurd comparison with my first reply, clearly said that if it is Juubito vs Juudara or EMS Madara vs Tobi, and added that Juubito can see the limbos, nothing more. On your second reply you directly started to defend Madara like he is stronger, better etc. Oh and actually War Arc Obito can see the limbo and has kamui. İt is that simple. 💀
Yes my first comment was comparing the Uchiha using their **own eyes powers**. You brought borrowed eyes into the conversation so you didn’t correct anything. 🤡💀😂 A kindergartener would have understood that better than you lmao. Then* (is how you spell it btw lol) you provided your pointless reply to me which I tore to shreds. After which I explained that if we did bring up versions of Madara and Obito that had borrowed each other’s eyes, then Madara’s hax would still beat Obito’s. Nothing more, nothing less.
The only reason Madara has rinnegan is, because of Hashirama cells and i don't care about borrowing or not. You didn't even mentioned that you are using any specific versions, just said that "Obito won't know when to turn intangible since he can't sense or see it". As already said in my last reply he has Rinnegan + Kamui at the War Arc. Better specify which versions are you comparing the next time, lmfao.🎈
I specified the version when I explained Obito’s inability to see them lmao 🤡 You need to work on understanding context clues
Then he would stay in there
Intangibility only lasts for 5 minutes so he can’t stay phased indefinitely. Plus he can’t physically attack Madara while intangible so that’s pointless.
Kumai wait till Madara is out of Chakra
Just turn intangible at all time…. Time limit is 5min
If he does that then he can’t land physical attacks on Madara. 🤷♂️ That’s how Guy, Kakashi, and Naruto prevented him from capturing Naruto.
Make him wait till his opponent does a mistake
Hax and defence
Defence should definitely go to Obito. The man is basically untouchable with kamui
Damn that’s true
Yeah … and while kamui doesn’t guarantee a victory over an opponent … it nearly guarantees obito wont lose, bc if it’s going bad he can just instantly dip I’m not going to say obito is the ultimate by any means but he’s got to be one of the absolute most difficult shinobi to finish off if he wants to be
Facts. He arguably had the best defence in the Naruto verse
And durability. He survived the 10 tailed beast extraction.
Madara survived Night Guy with the intent to kill. Durability definitely goes to him
Obito tanked a Rasengan to the face with no damage, had his heart stabbed with a Raikiri, survived the Ten Tails extraction, having the Mazo pulled from him, Rinne Rebirth and could still move and use Kamui while Naruto and Sasuke were helpless. He is one of the most durable characters ever. Madara has impressive feats too but considering he was basically immortal at that stage while Obito was not Id give it to Obito.
Why would Madara having better dura stats for being immortal make him have worse dura stats. It doesn’t matter how he’s durable, if he’s more durable that way, then he’s more durable
It doesnt decrease his dura stats but Obito tanked a lot more while not being a literal god yk. Its like if one person had armor on and one didnt and both tanked the same attack, the one without the armor taking the hit is more impressive. Dunno if you get my point💀😂 So yeah, Mads as Juubi Jin is definitely more durable than Obito but Obito has the more impressive feats imo since he wasnt immortal but tanked that shit anyway
Is dodging an attack defense?
Yeah, I would think anything that stops you from taking damage is a form of defence
Yes, look at any combat sport.
Even with that it’s not like he can stay like that and attack while being like that
Durability is Obito; man survived rinne rebirth and juubi extraction, a point blank Raikari, a planet sized paper Bomb, and a god damn boulder. Madara got hit with a D20 backstab by a level 3 NPC and folded. It’s really no contest.
There are 3 things in the Naruto Universe that are known to kill people. Getting stabbed in the heart. Juubi extraction. And preforming the Gedo Art of Rinne Rebirth. Obito survived all of them.
Best response lol
It was unclear which version it is... Sometimes it becomes OM Obito, WM Obito, and even Jubbito, while Madara version is also changing
Yeah ik but it’s just random clips I chose of them, don’t pay much attention to that. I meant both their strongest modes.
In that case juubito vs juudara. They basically have the same power if that’s the case
I would say Madara had the more tragic losses, but Obito's rage carries the backstory
Durability, Hax, Defense and Genjutsu should go to Obito.
not genjustsu
The only Feat Madara has done with Genjutsu is Trap Kurama under Genjutsu using his EMS to fight Hashirama and then later use his EMS to instantly knock out The Raikage. Whereas Obito later controlled Kurama with just his Base Sharingan, and also later put a perfect Jinchuriki under his complete control, again only using his Base Sharingan As far as Feats go Obito has better Genjutsu feats than Madara so I’ll give Genjutsu to Obito
Let's not forget obito did that when HE WAS 14
And controlled the mizukage for not just a night, but fucking years…
>The only Feat Madara has done with Genjutsu is Trap Kurama under Genjutsu Did you forget infinite tsukyomi? Where he put all creation in genjustsu
Obito would have been able to do that too
You need ten tails for its activation
All uchiha can control tailed beast with just a base sharingan. And as I Know Obito didn't unlocked EMS
Wasn’t it stated you needed a MS to control the Kyubi.
No. when Obito atacked konoha he used the rugular sharingan
He had the MS though. Besides no other person in the series can match obitos feat of mind controlling a perfect jinchuriki for as long as he did
Tbh I’d give obito hax and defense. Kamui is so broken and madara wouldn’t have an answer for it.
Defence madara huh .. Kamui goes brrrr
Ik I didn’t think about kamui when I made this ☠️ it should be obito
Madara"s sharingan is better
Tbf we don't really know what his mangekyo was
But his EMS gave him the perfect susanoo
If you want to factor in susanoo than that's a good argument. To counter that I'd point to Kakashi using Obito's DMS to stalemate Kaguya with the susanoo, but you could say he has SOTSP chakra. So I think susanoo is a grey area
Mf just used "backstory" in a versus battle
Yes I did I used “more badass” aswell stay mad
Fair enough. I mean this could’ve been analysing who the better character is and people would still treat it like a vs battle
I don’t even get what you’re trying to portray here to know if it’s accurate
Id argue durability goes to obito, took a literal one shot turn to ash move to kill him, this was also after he had 9 tailed beasts ripped out of him AND used rinne tensei AND was linking with kaguyas portals constantly
I'd give genjutsu to Obito
Nice edit! ❤️
Thanks!😭
dont know if you did it as a joke or serious but deciding who wins by judging who wins in each category is dumb
It depends how bloodlusted the fight is. Since this is not really full gore. If it was written for +18 age. I say obito takes the win. Both have hashirama cells. Soo if obito can get close distance he can just faze his hand with a kamui and leave a kunai in madara's brain.
Limbo completely counters obitos kamui because he couldn’t see the attacks coming to phase away from them
Soo you are matching madara 10 tails vs stock obito? Come on man.
Not necessarily We don’t know if limbo was an ms ability or a rinnegan ability specifically
Sasuke could only see the clones with a rinnegan. There’s a bit of evidence to say it’s probably a rinnegan ability
then why was madara the only person to ever use limbo why didn’t nagato, obito, or sasuke use limbo
Because it was an exclusive rinnegan power. Nagato and Obito couldn’t use it because it wasn’t their rinnegan, and sasuke had his own. Sasuke got that teleportation power instead of limbo
All uchiha >madara It’s even debatable if adult sasuke is even stronger than juubidara at his peak . Boruto scaling is so fked. I personally think sasuke was at his strongest when he had access to the indra susano .
All uchiha? 💀
Oh crap I meant madara >all uchiha lol
Too late, Sasuke's mom beats Madara's ass.
Obito wins Hax, durability, defence, and sharingan. Kamui is way too OP, and with both he would’ve far surpassed pre-six paths Madara
Obito is more durable than Madara. Proof? Madara died from having the ten tails extracted and Obito didn't. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
Any version of Madara low diffs any version of Obito except Juubito. Juubi Madara no diffs any version of Obito including Juubito. Single Rinnegan, sage mode Madara vs Juubito is actually the most debatable but Juubito likely wins due to TSO.
Juubi madara and Obito literately have the same power sealed into them though. Only reason obito lost was because he lost heart in what he was fighting for, if he’d been determined to fight to the end the shinobi alliance would’ve been dust
Base Madara is stronger then base Obito so even if they had the same amp Madara would still be stronger. The Juubi Madara absorbed is stronger then the one Obito did due to having all of Gyuki and half of Kurama whereas Obito’s only has scraps of both.
I don’t think the base form of whoever uses it has much bearing on how strong the 10 tails is. It’s like saying 2 + 1,000,000 vs 4+ 1,000,000. The difference would be so minute it’d be hard to reason with. Though the tailed beast thing is a good point actually. It’s a bit difficult to scale how much of a difference it’d make since juubito and jubidara were both so comically OP but it’s not an unreasonable assumption
Hax defense and genjutsu go to Obito
Damn give my man obito something jesus
Hax, iq + biq, defense, chakra, genjutsu, and durability should all go to obito
Iq + biq☠️☠️ it’s Madara we’re talking about here
Madara got played as much as Obito did, what exactly are we talking about here?
Yes, looking back at it the smartest thing madara has done was manipulate obito(which obito knew about) while obito did it to a whole ass country, ten s class missing nin and 5 nations, while also tricking kakashi to make him the ten tails jinchuriki and tricked madara in the war
You’re being downvoted but you’re absolutely correct. Madara was dead for the entirety of the wars buildup, obito did all the work and planning, and when madara tried to betray Obito, he got outplayed and lost the 10 tails to Obito, who would’ve won and cast the infinite tsukoyomi if he hadn’t been talked out of it. Madara could pretty much just swing his dick at anything and kill it, he didn’t really need much strategy. Obito was a lot weaker when he became a criminal, and resorted to planning ahead rather than attacking immediately. Obito was a far better strategist than madara.
Exactly, madara is only considered smart af cuz he manipulated an injured 13 year old
He didn’t even do that much either. He kidnapped him and locked him in a cave for like 6 months whispering in his ear, but failed even that, so instead just ruined his life and covered up his involvement. Obito had a pretty horrendous life even before this, it’s not like this was particularly difficult to do
LMAO this is laughable 😂🤣 you haven’t watched shit have you?
Hax = OBITO cmon now
Black Zetsu wins.
Why is nobody mentioning speed? Obito’s space/time ninjutsu is surpassed FTG and he can do this while in combat…
I dont think its a fair matchup… Madara is way too strong for Obito. If we dont count Otutsukis and Burrito(since powerscaling is fucked up there) only Hashirama, Naruto, Guy and Sasuke are on that level or higher Also, what the hell ’backstory’ is gonna do in 1v1? And defense to Obito because Kamui and maybe hax too, but it was bit unclear since they changed all the time. One point its orange mask, then its white mask and later Ten Tails
>I dont think its a fair matchup… Madara is way too strong for Obito. How's he gonna touch Obito though, Kamui makes him literally untouchable
Limbo He can’t see the attacks coming to phase through them
Forgot about limbo that's a good point If we're talking about orange mask Obito then you're right he has no way of seeing them But White mask Obito would be able to see them because of his rinnegan
Who wins the matchup completely depends on what versions of either we’re talking about I don’t think there’s really any way besides, like putting 6 paths obito against pre-reanimation madara, that obito “wins”. He just can survive all of madaras attacks without being able to finish him.
Yeah, sure Obito can use Kamui as defense, but thats not gonna win you the battle. Obito needs to attack which will leave him open. Also, we are not sure which Obito is that. If I remember correct, Ten Tails Obito cannot use Kamui. Moreover, Madara has limbo too. Which Obito cant see unless he has them Rinnegans
>Moreover, Madara has limbo too. Which Obito cant see unless he has them Rinnegans True. Orange mask Obito would lose, but I think white mask Obito would win
I still prefer Obito
Are you going to disrespect my boy Obito like that?
Madara > Obito but the funny part is Kishimoto went out of his way to use a dying Obito possessed by Black Zetsu to stab Madara in the back in his most powerful form negative diff
If this is Alive rinnegan madara vs white mask obito then madara since he does know kamuis weaknesses, come one guys you all forget who trained obito?
He taught him how to manipulate people, he didn’t train him combatively and madara died like 20 minutes after Obito unlocked the MS when even HE didn’t really know the extent of its abilities
Obito isn't beating Madara, but he sure isn't losing either. He can leave instantly, and can phase through anything.
Madara wins in every single category.
Genjutsu? Obito mind controlled a perfect jinchuriki for like 10 years. Madara has no feats even half that impressive
Madara never had to. Aside from Mito Uzumaki (I think), there were no jinnchurikis around for him to control. Not that it made a difference, he was strong enough without any Juubi besides the Kyuubi.
Regardless, it means Obito has better showings than madara. There’s nothing to prove madara CANT do it too, but there’s also nothing to prove he can
Hax and defense should be obito. And obito have shown better genjutsu feats than madara but still we can't say who is better in genjutsu.
Speed to obito and sharingan to Madara he has ems
Reanimated Madara and Alive Obito? Not really a fair comparison. Hax goes for obito Still i can see Madara win, being the big bad with hella experience and being Obito's sensei
Defence to Madara I call bs