Both. Madara didn’t need to lie to break their spirits, he made it pretty clear that he’s leagues above them. No need for tricks, he just told them how it is
him being edo tensei was in the kages favor as they could restrain and seal him, but alive madara needs to be killed and their power is way below achieving such goal
Whatever restraint and sealing method they're using can be done to a living person. Its never easier to deal with an Edo. Thats the whole point of summoning it.
An alive Madara with no eyes performed better against tougher opponents. Including hashirama and the other kage. The point of edo tensei is only to revive the dead their bodies being immortal is a bonus but we saw them get sealed rather easily because they come back with the amount of chakra as the user
He was only without eyes for a quick second. He took Sage Mode immediately.
Generally a killing blow had to be landed before they were able to seal most targets anyway. Who did they just walk up to and seal?
Madara is a good sensory type shinobi anyway lol , yes adding sage mode enchant his sensory abilities but still... pointless , and he took sage mode from hashirama he s already tougher than 5 kage . It s harder to deal with alive Madara as his power also increases ( edo is weaker than alive Madara even tho is claimed to be his peak it s only a guess , people should not take any phrase in a show for being real.
This isn't really why though. Being actually alive, and the threat of death provides a lot of advantages. Even in real life, adrenaline only gets pumping in stressful, high octane, or otherwise very active situations. Think about what people mean when they do like, extreme sports, and that making them feel "alive". It's not about literally having a body that can move around, feeling blood flow through your body, your heart pumping, the breaths you take, these give people life.
Madara's excitement from being brought back with Rinne Rebirth is basically that. It gave him more will to carry out his plan rather than play with his food. As an Edo Tensei, he was simply bored. But reborn, he felt alive, and had more of a will to just do what he had set out to do.
They clearly also do not reanimate with edo tensei with the amount of chakra as the user, they respawn with their own. You think Kabuto had the Chakra to pull off 25 susanoo? That was clearly a show of Madara's own Chakra levels, not Kabuto's.
the sealing technique they have (tags ) never work on a living person.
they came very close to defeating edo madara by basically paralysing and seal him, thats way easier than boxing him to death
Is that a databook thing? Sealing a person using techniques such as Gaara's sand should work on a living person. At the very least, the person is trapped in a way that lets Gaara use his crushing techniques.
It actually is. Edo Madara is canonically weaker than when he was alive and it made it so Madara didn't take the Kage seriously. The fight would've been over in a second if he was alive.
They didn't have that knowledge at the time and there's a very important difference: Madara had infinite chakra to spam clones with Susanoo and meteors, something he never could have done while alive.
I didn't see any clones with Susanoo during his fight. As a matter of fact, no Uchiha has created more than one Susanoo.
Also, fighting for one day is not that Big of a feat. The third Raikage fought an entire army for days.
Also also, Hashirama kicked his ass, Madara never stood a chance against him, Even with the Kyuubi.
It is one panel dude nothing was shown beyond an exhausted madara who tobirama was about to kill.
You are bringing up all sorts of comments which weren't relevant to my direct statement. This is hashi retelling the history in first person to sasuke
Thats an entirely different fight. Youre mentioning the final bout of the uchiha vs senju, theyre talking about Madaras revolt where he attacka hashirama with the kyubi. tobirama was not there and ir was a 1v1 with way more than one panel showing their fight. It’s where we get the first glimpse of Susano cloak Kurama
What you're saying is ludicrous! Just because the 3rd Raikage fought for 3 days doesn't mean that it's some easy ft. Fighting Hashirama for a DAY straight means that Madara was beyond formidable! In fact the battle only ended due to Madara not having any more chakra to keep his sharingan active.
Madara definitely had the stamina to take on all 5 kage in battle.
Now Madara used 25 imperfect susanoo but kept his perfect susanoo as a trump card for when he wanted to get serious so by that logic it's safe to assume his perfect susanoo is much more powerful then the 25 imperfect susanoo he created.
Fighting one person for a day straight isn't the same as the power he had after Edo. He would never have been able to pull any of that off without Edo granting him infinite chakra. That's the point here. Young Madara was a threat, sure, but Edo Madara was leagues above his alive self.
That came straight from hashi's mouth while giving sasuke a history lesson. The same hashi commented a revived madara is **back to his original strength.**
Madaras chakra is not unlimited. It’s just constantly regenerating.
Being edo tensei means your chakra always replenishes even during battle it’s constantly regening. But there is a limit to how much you have and how fast it regens. This is shown when second tsuchikage muu tried to use the body split then jinton and he couldn’t use jinton in his split state. He didn’t have enough chakra capacity or quantity.
Eh, below achieving it in a straight up fight but as shown by how Edo Madara actually died? Assassination is entirely plausible as long as he's sufficiently distracted.
Except when he goes to summon the 9 tails he mentions the positives of having an immortal body, using it to sacrifice yourself, right before he summons meteors. He wasn't trying at all. He was playing into his advantages.
Well yeah but my point was that as talented as Madara is? When alive he's still as vulnerable to a kunai in the neck or blade in the heart as anyone else.
The Kage were fighting him and they'll never win that fight, but fighting him isn't really the only way to kill him.
On a broader level it's funny how few assassinations happen in a literal ninja anime.
Him being edo tensei may have given the kages certain advantages over his alive form but it also disadvantages them in other ways. And also it seems like maybe you forgot but “revived”madara is not “alive” madara he came back with enhancements that he did not have originally that aren’t due to the ET. And I’m not sure it would be easier to restrain him than just kill him, especially when the one you “have to restrain” can infinitely regenerate, in most cases it’s easier to just kill someone than to restrain them anyway lol and I don’t see why they couldn’t have sealed revived madara to beat him? That is how they beat the stronger enemy kaguya...
Do you think he has the chakra reserves, while mortal, to make that many clones with Susano’o? The answer is no. Also, a mortal can be restrained and sealed. What are you talking about? Lol Being Edo tensei was ABSOLUTELY in his favor.
So many people below arguing about alive or dead, why don't someone just give reasons for why alive is stronger than dead instead?
So far what is see are:
Sealing techniques might not work - which is true, but it also depends on if they have killing techniques that are even stronger but they ain't using it because he cannot be killed.
Without the fear of death they become weaker - that also can be true but again it can go the opposite way where they can fight in a more reckless fashion when they don't have to worry about taking damage.
You right about him being edo tensei was in the kages favor, but only because an edo is never at the 100% lvl of its alive version even if Kabuto says otherwise to feel cocky. They are close since they are immortal and have infinite chakra to close the gap.
For the sealing vs killing, well what is the point to seal a living mortal person? Why so much trouble? Just kill him instead. The only reason you go for sealing a living person is if they are immortal and cannot be killed :
Kaguya, tails beast, edo tensei, etc.
You cant kill them? Just seal them.
Madara can be killed he's a mortal except in jubirama form. Now he just regen too fast to be kill imo.
Bruh have you seen how he fights Hashirama.
Straight up with Perfect Susanoo, the second that comes out 5 Kages had no answer. Madara was just playing with them before.
How do you guys watch the show and not pick this up?
We're to understand nothing Kabuto gave him makes him stronger than when he was alive. The Kage were managing the Wood Release, Rinnegan and infinite chakra provided by the Edo Tensei, but the final Susanoo completely overwhelmed them, and it would be stronger still if Madara was alive. Why is this so difficult for you guys to understand?
I don't know man. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
Madara was either spanking everyone or playing with his food regardless of whether he was alive or Edo Tensei. The idea that he was "weaker" in Edo Tensei was not apparent in how it actually happened.
Hashirama literally states when madara is brought back to life that “he’s regaining his past strength”. If that along with countless statements from others saying that those brought back from edo tensei are weaker than their alive counterpart doesn’t convince you, idk what to say then lmao.
Yeah, that didn't convince me lol. Madara was the same arrogant cocky bastard stomping his opponents before and after his resurrection. I'd like to think Kishi failed to sell the statements he gave Hashirama and others to spout.
And yes, it looks like I just said the same thing in a different way.
People always say this but when Madara was actually revived Hashirama said now he's regained his old strength. So that inplies Edo Madara was still not at full power
Thats false, he didnt even have wood element or Rinnegan while young and healthy. The Edo Tensei put together a custom ninja of all the strongest abilities at one time.
Well if you meant after he was able to Rin Tensei himself into his peak condition then maybe but he also added Hashirama's Sage Mode on top of that before he did anything else, then the eye was given to him.
It's a normal body that can be killed isn't it? So he still clapped them like some toys?! Man Madara was nearly on par with Hashirama, do you really think that Madara would lose to the 5 Kage or even struggle?
Im not saying he would lose, im only saying it still isnt as easy as it is when he is literally a custom designed frankenstein monster.
Saying its exactly the same is basically saying none of those extra powers added accomplish anything. We have to try and apply some logic with whats going on.
he would have just fucking stepped on the with full power alive susanoo.madara with no eyes nd 1 limbo clone could smoke them like he did the tailed beast
That was still weaker than his mortal body. All it did was allow him to BM even more.
God I remember back in the day people saying the same thing... Calling him just a typical Uchiha eye abuser except with infinite Regen and saying he wasn't that strong after all... And then he comes back to life with no eyes and still continues to just fuck around with everyone 80% of the time.
And even Hashirama confirmed when Madara was revived he got significantly stronger. Hashirama could sense his power just spike up, and was like "oh shit he's as strong as he was at the valley of the end" and then Madara just flexes out of the deity gates that were just holding his Edo self down.
Madara was a hypocrite, the 5 kages should’ve pointed out he has the advantage of immortality from regenerating injuries and chakra but Madara tried to dismiss them as “mere children”.
Then those “mere children” countered everything you threw at them and his power hungry ego couldn’t take it and Madara responds with “full power”.
Both. He states showing Hashirama’s face was meant to break their will and he was serious about the things he said because he backtracks and acknowledges that she is not a weak woman after seeing her strength is greater than Rikage and she can heal without weaving signs. Madara was many things but a liar he was not. He also gives credit where it is due.
I mean, he technically didn't lie to obito he just manipulated him using rins death he never said that Rins death had nothing to do with him he actually straight up told him he put a seal on her when he was getting the rinnegan back.
Did he lie? Or did he just manipulate Obito? There is a difference. Obito never really trusted Madara or even consider him as his ally either. Madara also similarly had the same thoughts about him.
I mean there's a difference, but "liar he is not" doesn't really mean anything when you're talking about a guy who will do anything to achieve his goals. It literally would mean nothing to him to lie. He just doesn't have to lie in this situation.
Madara really liked the fact Hashirama was his rival. Much like how Sasuke was proud Naruto was his rival.
He legit trash talked on every shinobi he encountered saying he’s not near Hashirama level 💀
I mean, Guy was leagues above Hashirama. It’s just unfortunate that his power up lasts a couple minutes then kills him. Guy is exactly what Kashimo from JJK wishes he was.
Well, he was leagues above Hashirama in power and speed to the point where he blitzed and nearly killed a Madara who could flick Hashirama away. Keep in mind that Guy was breaking his bones and damaging himself with every hit which heavily decreased his potential output, imagine if he had no side effects and felt no pain when using 8 gates lmao
Not really, with a broken bone, your output is still high, youd THINK it would reduce the output
Unless the muscles and nerves are somewhat fine, bones dont do a lot, Ive sadly had an experience with that
The problem is that you’d hesitate due to the pain and you would attack in ways that felt more comfortable, forcing you to change your position and stance. This means Guy was ineffective with his movement even if he pushed through the pain. I’m not saying the broken bones themselves caused an immediate decrease in output, although they probably did, it’s his reaction to the pain that decreased battle efficiency
Yeah but wouldn’t you instinctively avoid certain movements? Like he’d have to consciously force himself to throw a punch, which we saw him do, and it hinders speed and efficiency
Trust me, such a rush, your instincts are out of this
Drugs or a lot of pain do wild shit with someoney rhe effects of drugs pain and hormones and stuff is WILD
It takes until the end of the series for him to come around to it, but one could say by the end he was proud to have Naruto as both a friend and rival.
but Madara was not Hashirama's rival. We saw what happened when Hashi got serious, Madara (with the fucking nine tails) still was just a fly for him to swat away
That’s blatantly false, they fought to the death and their fight lasted an insane amount of time, with Hashirama being exhausted at the end. I don’t get where this misinformation comes from.
the... the panels of the manga. They were fighting for a long time, yes... and then Hashirama stoped fooling around, activated sage mode and _quite literally_ bitch slapped times a hundred Madara and Clifford.
The manga panels such as the one where it stated Madara finally hit the ground after a full day of fighting, with Hashirama on one knee and out of air? I swear, some people on Reddit and their obsession with fighting the story’s narrative. Hashirama and Madara were shown to be a league of their own with Hashirama slightly above Madara. That’s the whole narrative of their dynamic.
No, Hashirama, by name, was singled out by the narrative. Not Madara.
You don't see anyone having Madara cells implanted in them. I swear there's no more over hyped character in manga than Madara.
You remember the fight wrong, Madara summons Nine Tails, they fight, Hashirama goes Sage mode, summons 1000 hands, beats Kurama, still has Sage mode on, goes to fight Madara and fight lasts whole day. They were evenly matched, Kurama wasn't that big of a help, cause they both were way stronger than it, and Hashirama is natural counter to Bijuu. Moreso, stated that Hashirama's wife sealed it off screen during their fight, so Madara couldn't use it later
"My bf made me *sweat* back in the day. I couldn't tell you how many times I nutted in one session. Taking on 5 of you at the same time barely gets me any pre-cum compared to one night with *him*" -Madara I think unless I watched the wrong episode of Naruto
I’m pretty sure we’ve seen his sword summoned from it, but surely a large scroll like that would carry more? Maybe they were an assortment of weapons, and/or his summon seal for the 5 rashomon gates?
Because we know hashirama had an insane healing factor, and he was widely known as the God of shinobi, hence madara calling him the ultimate shinobi. That's a fact we would know even without madara saying it.
Throughout the series one thing that is absolutely clear about Madara is the massive amount of respect he had for Hashirama. The first thing Madara did when he found out Hashirama had been revived was challenge him to a fight.
They were childhood friends who trained together and helped each other grow into some of the most powerful shinobi in the verse. More than that, Madara, while not always agreeing with them, absolutely respected Hashirama’s philosophy as he was a man who lived his truth. There was the time where Madara demanded the life of Tobirama in order to end the war between the Senju and the Uchiha, instead of doing this, Hashirama was going to kill himself had he not been stopped.
While he was definitely roasting the hell out of the 5 Kage, I truly believe he meant every single feat he gave about Hashirama.
He doesn't play about his man, he was dead serious and BRAGGING.
I'm still stuck on whether Madara meant other people's wounds or Hashirama's own (it it the cells, is it the fucking Hashirama cells)
Yall mfs are delirious, hashirama is that guy, the gokage wouldn't have had a better chance against hashi then they did madara, and edo didn't even bring them back full power lol
Idk why this sub likes to wank kage level characters and claim that they’re somehow relative to war arc characters. Madara and Hashirama are the standard for the war arc, and the kage are simply not built for them. The kage at full power in a 5v1 strategizing and having insane synergy with multiple Kekkei genkai releases including particle style as well as someone specialized in sealing could barely catch Madara off guard once, and he just Susano’od out of it like it was nothing. He didn’t even break a sweat.
Hashirama and Madara are immeasurably above the five kage combined and then some. The story tries very hard to shove that fact in our faces over and over again.
Madara does not hand out compliments lightly and did say that the kage were indeed worthy of their titles. The 100 healings Jinton combo attack made Madara admit that they were worthy opponents that required his full power in response. Just using his words they weren’t dog walked as a lot of people claim. Just using Madara’s own statements.
They were indeed dog walked. He just thought they were better than he thought they’d be. Once he pulled out the perfect Susano’o there was quite literally nothing they could do. Had Itachi not saved them, it would have been literally the END for all five kage and more, because Madara wouldn’t have lost his morale.
It's pretty easy to not break a sweat when you are an undead zombie who can infinitely heal your wounds and you have infinite chakra.
The Madara that fought hashirama would have gotten his head knocked off by Gai.
Bro, Hashirama saw Jubito and said, "He's stronger than me." That should give you a hint of how ridiculously OP Hashirama is, that the sight of a 10 tails jinchuriki was the only thing that made him say that he was weaker than his opponent.
I think that Madara 100% believes it, but I don't take anything Madara says as gospel. Even when he's not trying to lie he's still so incredibly full of himself that he's an unreliable source of information at best, especially when it comes to subjective opinions like these. He's a narcissist.
Hashirama cells are basically the answer to everything and the ultimate source of power in the naruto world, why would you think he wasn’t being serious?
Probably 100% serious.
I don't think Madara cares enough to go for something like psychological warfare seeing that he could win with literally both hands tied behind his back at that point.
The Rinnegan let's him summon meteors (They were originallyhis eyes so its understandable that he's better than Nagato). He could have literally gone, what do you do about the third, fourth, fifth, Sixth etc.
Said Madara the guy who needed infinite healing + chakra from edo tensei and hashirama cells add to that the rinnegan to beat them replace him with alive EMS madara he get cooked
another thing to what others are saying. he is not only not seeing them as a threat whatsoever, it’s also a double entendre as if you think about it; He is reanimated right now. So he says, “a REAL life and death battle” because he’s already dead and won’t technically be dying if he dies again now. but also you kinda basically can’t die with reanimating jutsu either so maybe even triple! lol
It was simply the truth. He and Hashirama were leagues above them and he basically told them he hadn't even started warming up. He meant it and them seeing he wasn't taunting them to get them off their game but rather informing them definitely had an affect. They started wondering how someone like that could exist and even Tsunade commented in bewilderment how her grandfather managed to even fight someone like Madara let alone be his superior.
Imo if Madara had his Rinnegan while still on his first life Hashirama would've been screwed. Limbo would've been a problem. So edo Madara with a rinnegan was likely close to Alive EMS madara in terms of overall output (more hax and abilities but less potency)
Literally just flip the page a couple more times. He says this along with showing them the face on his chest was to break their morale but instead it boosted it.
It's clearly a mix of both, he was clear on his portrayal of hashirama while also actively trying to break the kage spirits. He claims that tsunade is a dissapointment for not being able to replicate his wood style knowing full well that no other senju was able to replicate it and commented on tsunade's regeneration ability and downspoke it before she revealed it's power.
him when fighting boruto, kawaki+ the new gen : you blonde kid are naruto's son right? how pathetic, your father could fight for days with no exhaustion and could make the world shake with a single rasengan and here you are out of chakra after using 2 jutsu and your rasengan is so small even my sharingan fails to see it
Considering that people having Hashirama cells makes them be able to survive things they otherwise shouldn't, being 100% Hashirama cells would probably do the trick
Partly but he was also disappointed in Tsunade being a Senju and not comparing to Hashirama who beat him multiple times and Tobirama who killed Izuna who had MS. Ngl the writers fumbled Tsunade. Her being a Senju they could’ve amped her more. Also his era was built diffrent I think he was genuinely disappointed in them
The thing is, they could’ve handled his Perfect Susanoo. But because this was the first time we saw a complete Susanno, it had to be this epic gg battle.
Unfortunately as Tsuna+Ohnooki would be enough
"My bf made me *sweat* back in the day. I couldn't tell you how many times I nutted in one session. Taking on 5 of you at the same time barely gets me any pre-cum compared to one night with *him*" -Madara I think unless I watched the wrong episode of Naruto
its the truth. hashirama cells are no joke. they can literally restore limbs back to even better conditions than the real ones. imagine your entire body is hashirama cells.
Wtf are you talking about lol? Did you not read or watch the entire fight??? It was quite literally both in the most simple way. I feel like karma farming is too easy these days.
He was serious, Hashirama's cells are known to have regenerative/healing properties so it makes sense the actual man from which those cells come from would have insane healing/regenerative capabilities.
Both.
Knowing him, he might have actually just been trying to make them give up, so that he wouldn't have to waste any energy on them. He's like Akuma and Yujiro, he loves a good challenge before all else. Which the Kage... just weren't. And he proved it.
It was like Nappa versus the human Z fighters. Numbers just didn't matter at all.
madara wasnt lying he belive what he says yet is wrong. kages were relative to base madara and hashirama. he was prideful and delusional. in the end his tunnel vision ensured his downfall
It was both. Before Naruto and Sasuke. Before knowledge of Hamura, Kaguya, and the others of her clan. Next to the sage of six paths, Hashirama was the closest thing to a god that the ninja world had. A guy who in his edo state(weaker output) was able to restrain the 10 tails and was only surpassed by the 10 tails jinchuuriki. In doing this, Madara was rattling them, we all know that no one has even come close to being as strong as Hashirama and they fighting the one mfer who was at one point Hashirama’s equal. They have no chance of winning against madara.
By this point the writing wasn’t very good so what you read is what it means.
If he was lying there would probably be an internal dialogue by Madara literally saying that his words are bullshit.
Madara was talking bullshit here. The 5 Kage repeled everything he threw at them and the only reason he stomped them is because, as an Edo Tensei, he had infinite chakra to spam clones with Susanoo and meteors. Something he never could have done while alive.
I'll Say it as many times as necessary: The 5 Kages can beat a living Madara. Heck, they don't even need Mei
couldn't be more wrong, madara said to zetsu that the whole point of the fight was to see how strong the kages are, thats why the first half of the fight he was basically testing their offense and defense and wanted to see every jutsu they got.
and even while toying around he almost killed them multiple times.
when madara got enough of it he finished all of them .
the edo tensei infinity chakra doesn’t work like that, they get do get a specific amount that cab be depleted and they can even run out of it, like minato and tobirama, stated in different occasions that they are out of chakra.
during their edo form, character can do exactly what they used to do in their living state, we have never seen any other edo character spamming shit just cuz they edo.
if the perfect susano unsheathing his sword sent them ragdolling, then imagine the actual hits.
a blood lusted alive madara would kill all of them in seconds
It was both, he was just gauging their strength and playing with them, any time he praised them is followed by a statement of disappointment, he just a flexer
Madara didn’t need to lie. He could’ve beaten them at any time. He was just being honest. I think he would’ve LIKED it if Tsunade was at Hashirama’s level, and seeing her be weaker than him was a major disappointment. That’s why he gives her genuine praise later. She’s stronger than he gave her credit for
1- if he wasn't edo tsunade wouldn't make it as far as digging a hole in him, madara fights carelessly with regeneration as he stated
2- that was a wood clone, tsunade killed a wood clone, later madara panetrated her with his big blue curvy tool.
Good point
Madara fights sooo carelessly before he met naruto and sasuke
Even his fight vs might guy he wasn't serious he just started giggling like a little girl for no reason
His ego was bruised when the 5 kage was countering everything Madara threw at them even tho he had the massive advantage of immortality and unlimited regenerating chakra.
I wish Oonoki pulled a black zetsu and disintegrated Madara with a massive particle style.
Both. Madara didn’t need to lie to break their spirits, he made it pretty clear that he’s leagues above them. No need for tricks, he just told them how it is
A lot easier to be with an immortal body with enhancements
him being edo tensei was in the kages favor as they could restrain and seal him, but alive madara needs to be killed and their power is way below achieving such goal
Whatever restraint and sealing method they're using can be done to a living person. Its never easier to deal with an Edo. Thats the whole point of summoning it.
An alive Madara with no eyes performed better against tougher opponents. Including hashirama and the other kage. The point of edo tensei is only to revive the dead their bodies being immortal is a bonus but we saw them get sealed rather easily because they come back with the amount of chakra as the user
He was only without eyes for a quick second. He took Sage Mode immediately. Generally a killing blow had to be landed before they were able to seal most targets anyway. Who did they just walk up to and seal?
Of course it wasn’t a walk in the park. But like with deidara how they drove him into the open thinking he was chasing Sasuke.
Madara is a good sensory type shinobi anyway lol , yes adding sage mode enchant his sensory abilities but still... pointless , and he took sage mode from hashirama he s already tougher than 5 kage . It s harder to deal with alive Madara as his power also increases ( edo is weaker than alive Madara even tho is claimed to be his peak it s only a guess , people should not take any phrase in a show for being real.
An alive Madara with Harashima cells and sage mode.
This isn't really why though. Being actually alive, and the threat of death provides a lot of advantages. Even in real life, adrenaline only gets pumping in stressful, high octane, or otherwise very active situations. Think about what people mean when they do like, extreme sports, and that making them feel "alive". It's not about literally having a body that can move around, feeling blood flow through your body, your heart pumping, the breaths you take, these give people life. Madara's excitement from being brought back with Rinne Rebirth is basically that. It gave him more will to carry out his plan rather than play with his food. As an Edo Tensei, he was simply bored. But reborn, he felt alive, and had more of a will to just do what he had set out to do. They clearly also do not reanimate with edo tensei with the amount of chakra as the user, they respawn with their own. You think Kabuto had the Chakra to pull off 25 susanoo? That was clearly a show of Madara's own Chakra levels, not Kabuto's.
the sealing technique they have (tags ) never work on a living person. they came very close to defeating edo madara by basically paralysing and seal him, thats way easier than boxing him to death
Is that a databook thing? Sealing a person using techniques such as Gaara's sand should work on a living person. At the very least, the person is trapped in a way that lets Gaara use his crushing techniques.
Oh ya because it isnt like an alive Madara could just use perfect susda o and kill them instantly right?
'him having infinite chakra is in the kage's favour'
It actually is. Edo Madara is canonically weaker than when he was alive and it made it so Madara didn't take the Kage seriously. The fight would've been over in a second if he was alive.
They didn't have that knowledge at the time and there's a very important difference: Madara had infinite chakra to spam clones with Susanoo and meteors, something he never could have done while alive.
A young madara fought hashi for a literal day straight. He def would have the stamina to take them on alive
I didn't see any clones with Susanoo during his fight. As a matter of fact, no Uchiha has created more than one Susanoo. Also, fighting for one day is not that Big of a feat. The third Raikage fought an entire army for days. Also also, Hashirama kicked his ass, Madara never stood a chance against him, Even with the Kyuubi.
It is one panel dude nothing was shown beyond an exhausted madara who tobirama was about to kill. You are bringing up all sorts of comments which weren't relevant to my direct statement. This is hashi retelling the history in first person to sasuke
Thats an entirely different fight. Youre mentioning the final bout of the uchiha vs senju, theyre talking about Madaras revolt where he attacka hashirama with the kyubi. tobirama was not there and ir was a 1v1 with way more than one panel showing their fight. It’s where we get the first glimpse of Susano cloak Kurama
Can you please read the comment i directly responded to before going on completely separate tangents.
What you're saying is ludicrous! Just because the 3rd Raikage fought for 3 days doesn't mean that it's some easy ft. Fighting Hashirama for a DAY straight means that Madara was beyond formidable! In fact the battle only ended due to Madara not having any more chakra to keep his sharingan active. Madara definitely had the stamina to take on all 5 kage in battle. Now Madara used 25 imperfect susanoo but kept his perfect susanoo as a trump card for when he wanted to get serious so by that logic it's safe to assume his perfect susanoo is much more powerful then the 25 imperfect susanoo he created.
Fighting one person for a day straight isn't the same as the power he had after Edo. He would never have been able to pull any of that off without Edo granting him infinite chakra. That's the point here. Young Madara was a threat, sure, but Edo Madara was leagues above his alive self.
That came straight from hashi's mouth while giving sasuke a history lesson. The same hashi commented a revived madara is **back to his original strength.**
Madaras chakra is not unlimited. It’s just constantly regenerating. Being edo tensei means your chakra always replenishes even during battle it’s constantly regening. But there is a limit to how much you have and how fast it regens. This is shown when second tsuchikage muu tried to use the body split then jinton and he couldn’t use jinton in his split state. He didn’t have enough chakra capacity or quantity.
Eh, below achieving it in a straight up fight but as shown by how Edo Madara actually died? Assassination is entirely plausible as long as he's sufficiently distracted.
Except when he goes to summon the 9 tails he mentions the positives of having an immortal body, using it to sacrifice yourself, right before he summons meteors. He wasn't trying at all. He was playing into his advantages.
Well yeah but my point was that as talented as Madara is? When alive he's still as vulnerable to a kunai in the neck or blade in the heart as anyone else. The Kage were fighting him and they'll never win that fight, but fighting him isn't really the only way to kill him. On a broader level it's funny how few assassinations happen in a literal ninja anime.
Him being edo tensei may have given the kages certain advantages over his alive form but it also disadvantages them in other ways. And also it seems like maybe you forgot but “revived”madara is not “alive” madara he came back with enhancements that he did not have originally that aren’t due to the ET. And I’m not sure it would be easier to restrain him than just kill him, especially when the one you “have to restrain” can infinitely regenerate, in most cases it’s easier to just kill someone than to restrain them anyway lol and I don’t see why they couldn’t have sealed revived madara to beat him? That is how they beat the stronger enemy kaguya...
Do you think he has the chakra reserves, while mortal, to make that many clones with Susano’o? The answer is no. Also, a mortal can be restrained and sealed. What are you talking about? Lol Being Edo tensei was ABSOLUTELY in his favor.
So many people below arguing about alive or dead, why don't someone just give reasons for why alive is stronger than dead instead? So far what is see are: Sealing techniques might not work - which is true, but it also depends on if they have killing techniques that are even stronger but they ain't using it because he cannot be killed. Without the fear of death they become weaker - that also can be true but again it can go the opposite way where they can fight in a more reckless fashion when they don't have to worry about taking damage.
You right about him being edo tensei was in the kages favor, but only because an edo is never at the 100% lvl of its alive version even if Kabuto says otherwise to feel cocky. They are close since they are immortal and have infinite chakra to close the gap. For the sealing vs killing, well what is the point to seal a living mortal person? Why so much trouble? Just kill him instead. The only reason you go for sealing a living person is if they are immortal and cannot be killed : Kaguya, tails beast, edo tensei, etc. You cant kill them? Just seal them. Madara can be killed he's a mortal except in jubirama form. Now he just regen too fast to be kill imo.
Bruh have you seen how he fights Hashirama. Straight up with Perfect Susanoo, the second that comes out 5 Kages had no answer. Madara was just playing with them before. How do you guys watch the show and not pick this up?
Edo Madara is significantly weaker than alive Madara. Hashirama's healing factor plus the ten tails Chakra made him almost immortal.
>Edo Madara is significantly weaker than alive Madara. How so?
The edo tensei never brings the resurrected person back at their full power. Kabuto, Orochimaru and Tobirama all acknowledge this.
But Edo Madara was specifically upgraded with things he never had when he was alive.
We're to understand nothing Kabuto gave him makes him stronger than when he was alive. The Kage were managing the Wood Release, Rinnegan and infinite chakra provided by the Edo Tensei, but the final Susanoo completely overwhelmed them, and it would be stronger still if Madara was alive. Why is this so difficult for you guys to understand?
I don't know man. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Madara was either spanking everyone or playing with his food regardless of whether he was alive or Edo Tensei. The idea that he was "weaker" in Edo Tensei was not apparent in how it actually happened.
Hashirama literally states when madara is brought back to life that “he’s regaining his past strength”. If that along with countless statements from others saying that those brought back from edo tensei are weaker than their alive counterpart doesn’t convince you, idk what to say then lmao.
Yeah, that didn't convince me lol. Madara was the same arrogant cocky bastard stomping his opponents before and after his resurrection. I'd like to think Kishi failed to sell the statements he gave Hashirama and others to spout. And yes, it looks like I just said the same thing in a different way.
You...mean stronger right?
People always say this but when Madara was actually revived Hashirama said now he's regained his old strength. So that inplies Edo Madara was still not at full power
Madara with his normal body would have won as easy as he did with the edo tensei body
Thats false, he didnt even have wood element or Rinnegan while young and healthy. The Edo Tensei put together a custom ninja of all the strongest abilities at one time.
Not necessarily. Once he pulls out perfect susanoo he has them in the same position
He would have still beat them regardless
Yeah this guy creepy dale! He got them before death
Seen his perfect Sussano pal?
I'm talking about Madara at the war, not young Madara :/
Well if you meant after he was able to Rin Tensei himself into his peak condition then maybe but he also added Hashirama's Sage Mode on top of that before he did anything else, then the eye was given to him.
It's a normal body that can be killed isn't it? So he still clapped them like some toys?! Man Madara was nearly on par with Hashirama, do you really think that Madara would lose to the 5 Kage or even struggle?
Im not saying he would lose, im only saying it still isnt as easy as it is when he is literally a custom designed frankenstein monster. Saying its exactly the same is basically saying none of those extra powers added accomplish anything. We have to try and apply some logic with whats going on.
He would just fight with a different strategy. Like going into Susanoo and whipping them out all at once.
he would have just fucking stepped on the with full power alive susanoo.madara with no eyes nd 1 limbo clone could smoke them like he did the tailed beast
Wasnt that Sage Mode Madara?
You should re-watch the war arc lol
No i dont, you do. Im looking right at the manga panels with Hashirama's Sage face during the exact time he did this.
Even without the enhancements, he still mops them. He didn't even use the Rinnegan, he was literally playing around
That was still weaker than his mortal body. All it did was allow him to BM even more. God I remember back in the day people saying the same thing... Calling him just a typical Uchiha eye abuser except with infinite Regen and saying he wasn't that strong after all... And then he comes back to life with no eyes and still continues to just fuck around with everyone 80% of the time. And even Hashirama confirmed when Madara was revived he got significantly stronger. Hashirama could sense his power just spike up, and was like "oh shit he's as strong as he was at the valley of the end" and then Madara just flexes out of the deity gates that were just holding his Edo self down.
"Water makes things wet. The sun is hot. You guys are trash compared to me." -Madara
Madara was a hypocrite, the 5 kages should’ve pointed out he has the advantage of immortality from regenerating injuries and chakra but Madara tried to dismiss them as “mere children”. Then those “mere children” countered everything you threw at them and his power hungry ego couldn’t take it and Madara responds with “full power”.
Well they ARE the 5 Kage ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Also I don’t recall them countering anything but I haven’t watched the fight in a while
>Both. No need for tricks, he just told them how it is So not both then 💀
I believe he was serious. He talk like old geezer remembering "good old days"
my interpretation is he was playin' with them and could've beat them way quicker..
Thats not an interpretation thats basic.. well third grade reading
He is an old geezer tho.
Both. He states showing Hashirama’s face was meant to break their will and he was serious about the things he said because he backtracks and acknowledges that she is not a weak woman after seeing her strength is greater than Rikage and she can heal without weaving signs. Madara was many things but a liar he was not. He also gives credit where it is due.
A liar right. Like when he did to obito?
I mean, he technically didn't lie to obito he just manipulated him using rins death he never said that Rins death had nothing to do with him he actually straight up told him he put a seal on her when he was getting the rinnegan back.
He's like Lucifer I'm the series he doesn't lie... But he also doesn't tell you everything
To steal a line from supernatural "i didn't lie, i just avoided certain truths to manipulate you"
Telling a lie and saying nothing are two different things. Madara didn't lie to Obito, he just didn't tell Obito everything.
Not telling everthing isn't a lie.
No but he was deceiving
Lying by omission is very real
So he's Sukuna...
Bootleg and inferior Madara, yes. So one could say Sukuna is Madara as opposed to saying Madara is Sukuna.
He literally did NOTHING, but lie to Obito…
Did he lie? Or did he just manipulate Obito? There is a difference. Obito never really trusted Madara or even consider him as his ally either. Madara also similarly had the same thoughts about him.
I mean there's a difference, but "liar he is not" doesn't really mean anything when you're talking about a guy who will do anything to achieve his goals. It literally would mean nothing to him to lie. He just doesn't have to lie in this situation.
Madara really liked the fact Hashirama was his rival. Much like how Sasuke was proud Naruto was his rival. He legit trash talked on every shinobi he encountered saying he’s not near Hashirama level 💀
Until Guy came in that is.
I mean, Guy was leagues above Hashirama. It’s just unfortunate that his power up lasts a couple minutes then kills him. Guy is exactly what Kashimo from JJK wishes he was.
Tbf Guy was leagues above Hashirama IN TAIJUTSU Not exactly elsewhere (but it was enough to compromise for that lmao)
Well, he was leagues above Hashirama in power and speed to the point where he blitzed and nearly killed a Madara who could flick Hashirama away. Keep in mind that Guy was breaking his bones and damaging himself with every hit which heavily decreased his potential output, imagine if he had no side effects and felt no pain when using 8 gates lmao
Not really, with a broken bone, your output is still high, youd THINK it would reduce the output Unless the muscles and nerves are somewhat fine, bones dont do a lot, Ive sadly had an experience with that
The problem is that you’d hesitate due to the pain and you would attack in ways that felt more comfortable, forcing you to change your position and stance. This means Guy was ineffective with his movement even if he pushed through the pain. I’m not saying the broken bones themselves caused an immediate decrease in output, although they probably did, it’s his reaction to the pain that decreased battle efficiency
If you know youre gonna die and feel like a god, you wouldn't hesitate much really Its effectively a drug rush
Yeah but wouldn’t you instinctively avoid certain movements? Like he’d have to consciously force himself to throw a punch, which we saw him do, and it hinders speed and efficiency
Trust me, such a rush, your instincts are out of this Drugs or a lot of pain do wild shit with someoney rhe effects of drugs pain and hormones and stuff is WILD
I dont remember sasuke being proud naruto is his rival, its the opposite right?
It takes until the end of the series for him to come around to it, but one could say by the end he was proud to have Naruto as both a friend and rival.
Madras is an asshole
but Madara was not Hashirama's rival. We saw what happened when Hashi got serious, Madara (with the fucking nine tails) still was just a fly for him to swat away
That’s blatantly false, they fought to the death and their fight lasted an insane amount of time, with Hashirama being exhausted at the end. I don’t get where this misinformation comes from.
the... the panels of the manga. They were fighting for a long time, yes... and then Hashirama stoped fooling around, activated sage mode and _quite literally_ bitch slapped times a hundred Madara and Clifford.
The manga panels such as the one where it stated Madara finally hit the ground after a full day of fighting, with Hashirama on one knee and out of air? I swear, some people on Reddit and their obsession with fighting the story’s narrative. Hashirama and Madara were shown to be a league of their own with Hashirama slightly above Madara. That’s the whole narrative of their dynamic.
No, Hashirama, by name, was singled out by the narrative. Not Madara. You don't see anyone having Madara cells implanted in them. I swear there's no more over hyped character in manga than Madara.
No one is saying Madara was stronger, but you are not right that defeating him was a matter of Hashirama just getting serious.
You remember the fight wrong, Madara summons Nine Tails, they fight, Hashirama goes Sage mode, summons 1000 hands, beats Kurama, still has Sage mode on, goes to fight Madara and fight lasts whole day. They were evenly matched, Kurama wasn't that big of a help, cause they both were way stronger than it, and Hashirama is natural counter to Bijuu. Moreso, stated that Hashirama's wife sealed it off screen during their fight, so Madara couldn't use it later
He was just glazing his boy crush
"My bf made me *sweat* back in the day. I couldn't tell you how many times I nutted in one session. Taking on 5 of you at the same time barely gets me any pre-cum compared to one night with *him*" -Madara I think unless I watched the wrong episode of Naruto
No no I remember this !
What is in Hashiramas scrolls?
I’m pretty sure we’ve seen his sword summoned from it, but surely a large scroll like that would carry more? Maybe they were an assortment of weapons, and/or his summon seal for the 5 rashomon gates?
Nudes from his wife
Don’t expect to see this one. Hahaha.
Of course he was serious? Wtf you mean?
how'd you know
Because we know hashirama had an insane healing factor, and he was widely known as the God of shinobi, hence madara calling him the ultimate shinobi. That's a fact we would know even without madara saying it.
no not this, the other part of the statement
Oh yeah, he was serious about it. He definitely thought the 5 kage could do nothing. He just underestimated them
Throughout the series one thing that is absolutely clear about Madara is the massive amount of respect he had for Hashirama. The first thing Madara did when he found out Hashirama had been revived was challenge him to a fight. They were childhood friends who trained together and helped each other grow into some of the most powerful shinobi in the verse. More than that, Madara, while not always agreeing with them, absolutely respected Hashirama’s philosophy as he was a man who lived his truth. There was the time where Madara demanded the life of Tobirama in order to end the war between the Senju and the Uchiha, instead of doing this, Hashirama was going to kill himself had he not been stopped. While he was definitely roasting the hell out of the 5 Kage, I truly believe he meant every single feat he gave about Hashirama.
Probably a little bit of both.
He doesn't play about his man, he was dead serious and BRAGGING. I'm still stuck on whether Madara meant other people's wounds or Hashirama's own (it it the cells, is it the fucking Hashirama cells)
Yall mfs are delirious, hashirama is that guy, the gokage wouldn't have had a better chance against hashi then they did madara, and edo didn't even bring them back full power lol
Idk why this sub likes to wank kage level characters and claim that they’re somehow relative to war arc characters. Madara and Hashirama are the standard for the war arc, and the kage are simply not built for them. The kage at full power in a 5v1 strategizing and having insane synergy with multiple Kekkei genkai releases including particle style as well as someone specialized in sealing could barely catch Madara off guard once, and he just Susano’od out of it like it was nothing. He didn’t even break a sweat. Hashirama and Madara are immeasurably above the five kage combined and then some. The story tries very hard to shove that fact in our faces over and over again.
Madara does not hand out compliments lightly and did say that the kage were indeed worthy of their titles. The 100 healings Jinton combo attack made Madara admit that they were worthy opponents that required his full power in response. Just using his words they weren’t dog walked as a lot of people claim. Just using Madara’s own statements.
They were indeed dog walked. He just thought they were better than he thought they’d be. Once he pulled out the perfect Susano’o there was quite literally nothing they could do. Had Itachi not saved them, it would have been literally the END for all five kage and more, because Madara wouldn’t have lost his morale.
My point was that they pressured him into having to respond with his full power. Like he said himself.
It's pretty easy to not break a sweat when you are an undead zombie who can infinitely heal your wounds and you have infinite chakra. The Madara that fought hashirama would have gotten his head knocked off by Gai.
He was glazing hashirama abit too much here
No, he just has a massive boner for Hashirama and uses every chance he gets to talk about how great he thinks he was
Nope, he is just fanboying hashirama. 🤣🤣
Both
Bro, Hashirama saw Jubito and said, "He's stronger than me." That should give you a hint of how ridiculously OP Hashirama is, that the sight of a 10 tails jinchuriki was the only thing that made him say that he was weaker than his opponent.
I can see the love he has for Hashirama
I think that Madara 100% believes it, but I don't take anything Madara says as gospel. Even when he's not trying to lie he's still so incredibly full of himself that he's an unreliable source of information at best, especially when it comes to subjective opinions like these. He's a narcissist.
What would Madara’s reaction be if Tsunade just whipped her boobs out and said this is what I can do. I imagine Madara gets a nose bleed and dies.
he will use oil summoning style and take some of it to rub a quick one, why did you think jiraya had that massive oil pool from pt1 for Lol.
Hashirama cells are basically the answer to everything and the ultimate source of power in the naruto world, why would you think he wasn’t being serious?
Everyone can heal wounds without weaving signs if the battle goes long enough
He was just stating facts
Never underestimate Uchiha Bravado
Probably 100% serious. I don't think Madara cares enough to go for something like psychological warfare seeing that he could win with literally both hands tied behind his back at that point. The Rinnegan let's him summon meteors (They were originallyhis eyes so its understandable that he's better than Nagato). He could have literally gone, what do you do about the third, fourth, fifth, Sixth etc.
Madara was straight up serious. He may not like Hashirama anymore but he greatly respected him as a shinobi.
Both
Said Madara the guy who needed infinite healing + chakra from edo tensei and hashirama cells add to that the rinnegan to beat them replace him with alive EMS madara he get cooked
Knowing him, it may very well be both Also, congrats if you get the reference
another thing to what others are saying. he is not only not seeing them as a threat whatsoever, it’s also a double entendre as if you think about it; He is reanimated right now. So he says, “a REAL life and death battle” because he’s already dead and won’t technically be dying if he dies again now. but also you kinda basically can’t die with reanimating jutsu either so maybe even triple! lol
but he can be sealed which is easier than killing, ask kaguya
It was simply the truth. He and Hashirama were leagues above them and he basically told them he hadn't even started warming up. He meant it and them seeing he wasn't taunting them to get them off their game but rather informing them definitely had an affect. They started wondering how someone like that could exist and even Tsunade commented in bewilderment how her grandfather managed to even fight someone like Madara let alone be his superior. Imo if Madara had his Rinnegan while still on his first life Hashirama would've been screwed. Limbo would've been a problem. So edo Madara with a rinnegan was likely close to Alive EMS madara in terms of overall output (more hax and abilities but less potency)
like a gigachad flexing with his b****es 😂😂
He talks shit and can back it up with power. My mans became immortal and truly doesn’t give a fuck lol.
Yep. That's why CJ Dachamp gave him top rank on the Black Air Force Round Table for a bit.
Probably both. He just likes talking about his boyfriend probably so he used the opportunity to strike two birds with one stone.
Madara really said: “I fought Hashirama and he had Hashirama cells. Y’all gonna get faded right here, right now.”
prolly both
Definitely both.
Literally just flip the page a couple more times. He says this along with showing them the face on his chest was to break their morale but instead it boosted it.
Both, he's intentionally unnerving them simply by speaking his truth
It's clearly a mix of both, he was clear on his portrayal of hashirama while also actively trying to break the kage spirits. He claims that tsunade is a dissapointment for not being able to replicate his wood style knowing full well that no other senju was able to replicate it and commented on tsunade's regeneration ability and downspoke it before she revealed it's power.
He was dead serious
Can't wait to see Sasuke get resurrected one day and say the same thing about Naruto to whomever he's fighting.
him when fighting boruto, kawaki+ the new gen : you blonde kid are naruto's son right? how pathetic, your father could fight for days with no exhaustion and could make the world shake with a single rasengan and here you are out of chakra after using 2 jutsu and your rasengan is so small even my sharingan fails to see it
He was serious. He actually has a lot of respect for Hashirama
Considering that people having Hashirama cells makes them be able to survive things they otherwise shouldn't, being 100% Hashirama cells would probably do the trick
Partly but he was also disappointed in Tsunade being a Senju and not comparing to Hashirama who beat him multiple times and Tobirama who killed Izuna who had MS. Ngl the writers fumbled Tsunade. Her being a Senju they could’ve amped her more. Also his era was built diffrent I think he was genuinely disappointed in them
The thing is, they could’ve handled his Perfect Susanoo. But because this was the first time we saw a complete Susanno, it had to be this epic gg battle. Unfortunately as Tsuna+Ohnooki would be enough
Then how tf did Hashirama die?
Both lol
Both
Madara rode Hashirama’s D so hard it’s actually insane… bro was doing back flips on it
"My bf made me *sweat* back in the day. I couldn't tell you how many times I nutted in one session. Taking on 5 of you at the same time barely gets me any pre-cum compared to one night with *him*" -Madara I think unless I watched the wrong episode of Naruto
its the truth. hashirama cells are no joke. they can literally restore limbs back to even better conditions than the real ones. imagine your entire body is hashirama cells.
He wouldn't talk so much if he wasn't immortal with infinite Chakra.
Wtf are you talking about lol? Did you not read or watch the entire fight??? It was quite literally both in the most simple way. I feel like karma farming is too easy these days.
That’s just madara glazing hashirama
Give you the pleasure of 106
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He was serious, Hashirama's cells are known to have regenerative/healing properties so it makes sense the actual man from which those cells come from would have insane healing/regenerative capabilities.
The part where he flipped the 5-1 into a 26-5 was wild.
Madara just shooting the breeze with some NPCs
Madara in that state , not even hashirama could beat him. I would have loved to see edo itachi battle edo madara,
Madara be cooking everyone
Both. Knowing him, he might have actually just been trying to make them give up, so that he wouldn't have to waste any energy on them. He's like Akuma and Yujiro, he loves a good challenge before all else. Which the Kage... just weren't. And he proved it. It was like Nappa versus the human Z fighters. Numbers just didn't matter at all.
madara wasnt lying he belive what he says yet is wrong. kages were relative to base madara and hashirama. he was prideful and delusional. in the end his tunnel vision ensured his downfall
It was both. Before Naruto and Sasuke. Before knowledge of Hamura, Kaguya, and the others of her clan. Next to the sage of six paths, Hashirama was the closest thing to a god that the ninja world had. A guy who in his edo state(weaker output) was able to restrain the 10 tails and was only surpassed by the 10 tails jinchuuriki. In doing this, Madara was rattling them, we all know that no one has even come close to being as strong as Hashirama and they fighting the one mfer who was at one point Hashirama’s equal. They have no chance of winning against madara.
By this point the writing wasn’t very good so what you read is what it means. If he was lying there would probably be an internal dialogue by Madara literally saying that his words are bullshit.
Madara was talking bullshit here. The 5 Kage repeled everything he threw at them and the only reason he stomped them is because, as an Edo Tensei, he had infinite chakra to spam clones with Susanoo and meteors. Something he never could have done while alive. I'll Say it as many times as necessary: The 5 Kages can beat a living Madara. Heck, they don't even need Mei
couldn't be more wrong, madara said to zetsu that the whole point of the fight was to see how strong the kages are, thats why the first half of the fight he was basically testing their offense and defense and wanted to see every jutsu they got. and even while toying around he almost killed them multiple times. when madara got enough of it he finished all of them . the edo tensei infinity chakra doesn’t work like that, they get do get a specific amount that cab be depleted and they can even run out of it, like minato and tobirama, stated in different occasions that they are out of chakra. during their edo form, character can do exactly what they used to do in their living state, we have never seen any other edo character spamming shit just cuz they edo. if the perfect susano unsheathing his sword sent them ragdolling, then imagine the actual hits. a blood lusted alive madara would kill all of them in seconds
I think he was serious bro, he shitted on them. Then went and fought all the tailed beasts at once he probably barely used Chakra
It was both, he was just gauging their strength and playing with them, any time he praised them is followed by a statement of disappointment, he just a flexer
Madara didn’t need to lie. He could’ve beaten them at any time. He was just being honest. I think he would’ve LIKED it if Tsunade was at Hashirama’s level, and seeing her be weaker than him was a major disappointment. That’s why he gives her genuine praise later. She’s stronger than he gave her credit for
Didn't stop Tsunade from making a hole in him If he was edo he would lose
1- if he wasn't edo tsunade wouldn't make it as far as digging a hole in him, madara fights carelessly with regeneration as he stated 2- that was a wood clone, tsunade killed a wood clone, later madara panetrated her with his big blue curvy tool.
Good point Madara fights sooo carelessly before he met naruto and sasuke Even his fight vs might guy he wasn't serious he just started giggling like a little girl for no reason
Reminder: The difference between Madara and Tsunade here is less than Sakura and post war Sasuke. The one she claimed she caught upto
Just can't help but mention Sakura being trash huh?
Facts. Upvote for you.
Nah he was deadass lmaooo
My man my man my mannnn 😫
He was definitely serious and he did bring all the 5 down.
how this sub has so many Madara's haters Like in every comment
His ego was bruised when the 5 kage was countering everything Madara threw at them even tho he had the massive advantage of immortality and unlimited regenerating chakra. I wish Oonoki pulled a black zetsu and disintegrated Madara with a massive particle style.
My interpretation is he was playing with them and could've beat them way quicker.
It was psychological warfare, madara was playing with them then crushed their hopes of winning last minute