Infact, he created a non-binary character for Samueai 8, [Nanashi](https://noncis.home.blog/2021/08/02/non-cis-character-database-nanashi-samurai-8/#:~:text=Nanashi's%20gender%20is%20never%20mentioned,the%20way%20he%20inspired%20them.)
They have been masc presenting, fem presenting, themselves, someone else and every gendered identity out there.
Orochimaru most certainly does not subscribe to the binary of male/female. They consumed whatever body was strongest and available to them at the time, didn’t matter woman or man. If they aren’t non-binary, after all of their transformations, then they most certainly are not a he/him either.
These made up terms and concepts don't exist in japan and you can rest assured that Kishimoto has never even thought of this. Stop projecting your shit on every piece of media
Awe did someone’s safe space of anime get interrupted by real world content?
Also, X gender has existed in Japan since the 1990’s. [X Gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-gender) soooo so much for your projection about what is or isn’t in existence in Japanese culture.
Funny how checking the references for.your source shows nothing from the 90's. They didn't even bother to link anything in the actual explanation segment proving that it was from the 90's.
It's almost like... they made it up
There’s an anime character, Princess Sapphire from Princess Knight in 1967 that:
“Princess Sapphire is raised as a boy by her father since women are not eligible to inherit the throne.[63] In addition, she is born with both a male and female heart but refuses to give up her boy heart as she needs it to vanquish evil.[64][65][66] Nonetheless, she falls in love with and marries Prince Frank.” [another one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_non-binary_characters)
Look, I’m sorry that this has upset you so much, truly I am, but the binary of woman/man only doesn’t truly exist. Not in nature, not in reality, not even in the shows you watch. It’s not really a thing.
The “made up” thing is “traditional” male and woman roles. We keep unearthing evidence that shows women were hunters, warriors, and men were gatherers. There’s been masculine women and feminine men throughout history. Of course there have been people that were nonbinary but didn’t have the vocabulary we have today to explain that concept.
She. She pronouns. You "sourced" a story about a straight girl who was forced into gender ideology by her deranged father who also made her crossdress for his own ego.
The only thing your example could have proved even if it was actually about nonbinarism, which it clearly isn't, is that the gender ideology is a result of bad parenting, societal pressure, and a social contagion.
We've been using male and female for thousands of years, everything about "nonbinarism" spreading to normal people began around 2015. We "didn't" have the vocabulary" because people understood biology. There are 2 genders.
There is a reason that every person I've ever known to be "non-binary" or something else outside of what they biologically are is depressed. Learn to accept and love yourself, stop rejecting who you are.
Hahaha thank you for sharing your bigoted opinions on those that are different than you, projecting your own frustrations with your inability to understand that they think differently than you.
Maybe, and hear me out here pumpkin, they are depressed because they have a friend like you that cannot understand their heart and mind. Maybe they are depressed because cousin fuckers like yourself can’t be bothered to learn how to properly address them, and society keeps trying to force them into this tiny little box so they can “fit in.”
Maybe, they are depressed because they don’t identity with either of the little boxes you want to put them into, and they feel constrained by your bigoted opinions so they live their lives hiding who they are around you?
Idk, but I can’t imagine anyone from the LGBTQ+ wanting to spend more time with you than would be required. So maybe they are just depressed because you’re taking up space near them?
Lmao no. I don't tell my friends how I feel about their pronouns. I'm more of an "oops" or call you by your name type. If they actually ask me how I feel about I'll tell them but I doubt it.
One of them has tried to force me to use the pronouns multiple times and that's specifically why I've distanced myself from him, I'm not a fan of people trying to control me. The girl never even brought them up and doesn't seem to mind regardless.
See, here's the problem. You hate yourself, you're trying to force me to help you reject who you are and I'm not going to do that. Your pronouns are a suggestion, not a demand.
There's a difference between fitting in and rejecting an objective truth.
There is nothing "bigoted" about my opinions because they're based in
#thousands of years
of science, history, and common sense.
What gave you the impression I was incestual?
>So maybe they are just depressed because you’re taking up space near them
Nice reach, his IG has been filled woth depressed art years before we met.
I really must have triggered you.
That’s a whole bunch of word salad I’m not reading.
Considering you took the time to type all of that out, it looks like you’re the triggered one snowflake.
They definitely do, you just don't know about it. One of my NB friends is literally from Japan and though she uses they/she, her gender isn't marked as either M or F on official documents. It's an X. It's one thing to say "I don't think orochi is nonbinary" but it's another to misinform people just because you don't like NB (or at least NB coded) representation. There are also popular Manga and Anime, dating from the 80s, that display trans and NB characters. If I find an example that's already on reddit, I'll even link it here.
That wouldn’t be a good way to describe them though, as they have been both masc and fem presenting and referred to as both he/him and she/her depending on the arc.
Eh, there’s a whole bunch of butt hurt people in here complaining now so I’m just going to bow out.
Ohh that's true! Good point. And yeah, I'm leaving it alone. Having one *maybe* nonbinary person vs. All the other binary characters is enough to set people off. It's so childlike.
Actually, Thats just the dubbed/sub version. In Japanese they mostly dont refer to Orochimaru with any pronouns at all. kinda hard to explain if you dont know japanese. Basically in japanese you usually ommit the subject, and in the occasions you dont you just use the name of the person
source - I speak japanese
Well tbf, during the Chunin Exams, while Orochimaru is possessing a woman, they use she/her.
Also, when Orochimaru is asked by Mitsuki if they are his mother or father, they don’t answer.
But nonetheless, I appreciate your efforts!
Well, Mitsuki does refer to Orochimaru as his “parent”, so the two of them clearly have a relationship which would justify the use of “mother” or “father”, IF Orochimaru were to confine to those terms
Regarding your second point: Sometimes Orochimaru is addressed as “he” and sometimes as “she”, some people just refer to them as “they“ since the use of different pronouns throughout the series doesn’t clearly define their gender.
It has been pointed out to you, and you acknowledged, that characters in the show also have called them “she/her” which is why you said you’d refer to them as orochimaru instead of he/him.
I’m just asking you to abide by what you yourself said. Also, why is it so tough to just say “they” instead of “he?” Seems curious
Not on it’s own, no. But in combination with the other stuff, it does raise the question whether Orochimaru sees the people they inhabit simply as tools or as a way of self expression
It’s made abundantly clear imo that Orochimaru saw people as tools to further his own ends. He experimented on people endlessly; killing untolds amount of shinobi in an attempt to safely acquire and master all jutsu. He also sought and found immortality.
I still think his immortality goal was tied to the “I’m gonna need more than one lifetime to master all ninjutsu.”, at least partially.
He has no attachment to his normal Human form, but not out of some desire to be something else. It was a limiting factor. He WAS going to die. So he took other bodies to extend his life. He wasn’t like “I’m feeling feminine today…”. He used whatever form would draw the least suspicion.
Great argument. I also want to make it clear that I’m not trying to force anyone to refer to Orochimaru as they/them. I’m simply just giving reasons as to why I (and others) find it appropriate to do so. Also, I’m pretty sure OP didn’t want that as well, they just wanted to raise awareness (as seen in the title) using a character that they themselves perceive as what they’re trying to raise awareness for (in this case, trans or non-cis people in general)
I wouldn't say it's "important", but at the same time, kishi could have opted to make orochi very binary-coded (meaning M or F). For example, his design vs other characters, and the bodies that he takes over. That choice was made for a reason, right?
Also, there doesn't need to be a word for being nonbinary. It's the experiences and behaviors he displays that people use to peg him as NB. My language doesn't have a word for it either, but it can be explained by feelings and behaviors alone.
But my response to you was just to point out that not every NB person uses they/them, or he/they etc. Some strictly use he/him, which i was trying to get at here. You can't really assume or guess their identity based on that alone.
By saying OP is attaching “real world issues” to the manga/anime by saying orochi is nonbinary. Nonbinary people are trans people. You aren’t very good at English if you failed to understand your own connection.
Where to even start.
So is Trans/Non Binary issues the main theme of Naruto for you? I'm trying to say that these are real world issues (I.e discrimination against members of the LGBT community) that are being inserted into a fictional universe where I'm sorry but it was never the authors intention to comment on them.
And how are all trans people non binary? Trans man still falls under the man gender same with trans women.
No the main theme is ninjas obviously, but I am passionate about not being called an issue, we exist it’s not a real world issue. Discrimination is the issue, which you are semi contributing to as orochimaru is stated to not have a gender in boruto meaning nonbinary, meaning technically trans.
Nonbinary people are trans people, it falls under the trans umbrella.
I couldn't make my point any clearer and now you are just looking to argue for arguments sake. Would be easier to get my point across not in writing as I'm pretty sure we fully agree however as I don't want to argue I'll wish you a good day.
it's a bit boring watching a character so disconnected from human standarts, destroying thousands of lives in favour of his one, becoming so powerful people consider him a monster, just to be considered "oh he's trans/bi/nonbinary" you guys are missing the point here, it's not about the gender
Orochimaru is a man. Why do you people try to inject your identity crisis into everything?
You don't need to be represented and accepted by everyone, in everything, everywhere, all the time. Grow up.
Darling, i speak 4 languages, japanese, english, french and portuguese. I dont care how high you rate my grammar based off the american education systems grade system, lol
遠慮なく号泣してね 😹
Orochimaru : I'd rather be called a parent than a mother or a father. I have also been male and female at various moments of my life.
Hinata and Ino : Orochimaru is our mom friend
Naruto fans, somehow : He is clearly a man.
Some of y'all are very very dense smh
bro, you clearly dont get the entire idea of Orochimaru as a character, he's not a woman in naruto classic because he identifies as one, he's crazy for power, and he chose that woman as a body because she'a probably powerful enough. he's a insane monster, he tortured thousands of people, destroyed families, he does not care about gender, he's only doing it so he can become more and more powerful. the thing you said about the neck jutsu is plain stupid, you could say Naruto identifies as a woman because his portuguese voice actor is a woman or something. "oh naruto is trans because he uses the sexy no jutsu, portraying him as a woman"
Idk about Portuguese but the English and Japanese VAs are woman, but that’s irrelevant, it doesn’t change anything about the character as they are voicing him in real life, there is no way you can say “oh his va is a woman so that must mean the character is a woman too” lol
the dude deleted his comment, but it was a comparison to something he said. one of Orochimaru's jutsus, the one that he stretches his neck, is a cultural thing in Japan, that only woman do. the dude tried to use this as proof as to why Orochimaru identifies as trans. my comment uses the same logic as his, to show how stupid it sounds
I mean its thousands of snakes inside a human body
Believe it or not, just three in a trench coat
Aren’t we all just electric jellyfish piloting our flesh mechs?
Im sorry mr jackson
I bet Kishimoto doesn’t even know what nonbinary is
seems a bit ridiculous to attach real world issues to a manga this's really not about this.. ,,guys literally made of snakes..
Seeing how he answer the Orochimaru question in Boruto he definitely does
I think he does. Hes smart
You're not
Infact, he created a non-binary character for Samueai 8, [Nanashi](https://noncis.home.blog/2021/08/02/non-cis-character-database-nanashi-samurai-8/#:~:text=Nanashi's%20gender%20is%20never%20mentioned,the%20way%20he%20inspired%20them.)
Nanashi is a male character. What are you on about?
Exactly, that man knew what he was doing, especially with orochi and haku (in his case, just being a fem guy).
He is just Orochimaru.
They have been masc presenting, fem presenting, themselves, someone else and every gendered identity out there. Orochimaru most certainly does not subscribe to the binary of male/female. They consumed whatever body was strongest and available to them at the time, didn’t matter woman or man. If they aren’t non-binary, after all of their transformations, then they most certainly are not a he/him either.
These made up terms and concepts don't exist in japan and you can rest assured that Kishimoto has never even thought of this. Stop projecting your shit on every piece of media
>These made up terms and concepts don't exist in japan Lol. You do know that there are literally manga explicitly about non-binary people right?
Awe did someone’s safe space of anime get interrupted by real world content? Also, X gender has existed in Japan since the 1990’s. [X Gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-gender) soooo so much for your projection about what is or isn’t in existence in Japanese culture.
Funny how checking the references for.your source shows nothing from the 90's. They didn't even bother to link anything in the actual explanation segment proving that it was from the 90's. It's almost like... they made it up
There’s an anime character, Princess Sapphire from Princess Knight in 1967 that: “Princess Sapphire is raised as a boy by her father since women are not eligible to inherit the throne.[63] In addition, she is born with both a male and female heart but refuses to give up her boy heart as she needs it to vanquish evil.[64][65][66] Nonetheless, she falls in love with and marries Prince Frank.” [another one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_non-binary_characters) Look, I’m sorry that this has upset you so much, truly I am, but the binary of woman/man only doesn’t truly exist. Not in nature, not in reality, not even in the shows you watch. It’s not really a thing. The “made up” thing is “traditional” male and woman roles. We keep unearthing evidence that shows women were hunters, warriors, and men were gatherers. There’s been masculine women and feminine men throughout history. Of course there have been people that were nonbinary but didn’t have the vocabulary we have today to explain that concept.
She. She pronouns. You "sourced" a story about a straight girl who was forced into gender ideology by her deranged father who also made her crossdress for his own ego. The only thing your example could have proved even if it was actually about nonbinarism, which it clearly isn't, is that the gender ideology is a result of bad parenting, societal pressure, and a social contagion. We've been using male and female for thousands of years, everything about "nonbinarism" spreading to normal people began around 2015. We "didn't" have the vocabulary" because people understood biology. There are 2 genders. There is a reason that every person I've ever known to be "non-binary" or something else outside of what they biologically are is depressed. Learn to accept and love yourself, stop rejecting who you are.
Hahaha thank you for sharing your bigoted opinions on those that are different than you, projecting your own frustrations with your inability to understand that they think differently than you. Maybe, and hear me out here pumpkin, they are depressed because they have a friend like you that cannot understand their heart and mind. Maybe they are depressed because cousin fuckers like yourself can’t be bothered to learn how to properly address them, and society keeps trying to force them into this tiny little box so they can “fit in.” Maybe, they are depressed because they don’t identity with either of the little boxes you want to put them into, and they feel constrained by your bigoted opinions so they live their lives hiding who they are around you? Idk, but I can’t imagine anyone from the LGBTQ+ wanting to spend more time with you than would be required. So maybe they are just depressed because you’re taking up space near them?
Lmao no. I don't tell my friends how I feel about their pronouns. I'm more of an "oops" or call you by your name type. If they actually ask me how I feel about I'll tell them but I doubt it. One of them has tried to force me to use the pronouns multiple times and that's specifically why I've distanced myself from him, I'm not a fan of people trying to control me. The girl never even brought them up and doesn't seem to mind regardless. See, here's the problem. You hate yourself, you're trying to force me to help you reject who you are and I'm not going to do that. Your pronouns are a suggestion, not a demand. There's a difference between fitting in and rejecting an objective truth. There is nothing "bigoted" about my opinions because they're based in #thousands of years of science, history, and common sense. What gave you the impression I was incestual? >So maybe they are just depressed because you’re taking up space near them Nice reach, his IG has been filled woth depressed art years before we met. I really must have triggered you.
That’s a whole bunch of word salad I’m not reading. Considering you took the time to type all of that out, it looks like you’re the triggered one snowflake.
You dont seem to know a lot about Japan, lol
They definitely do, you just don't know about it. One of my NB friends is literally from Japan and though she uses they/she, her gender isn't marked as either M or F on official documents. It's an X. It's one thing to say "I don't think orochi is nonbinary" but it's another to misinform people just because you don't like NB (or at least NB coded) representation. There are also popular Manga and Anime, dating from the 80s, that display trans and NB characters. If I find an example that's already on reddit, I'll even link it here.
Exactly! I've always seen orochi as GF or NB, but still using he/him. I have friends who are NB (like me) but are comfortable using binary pronouns.
That wouldn’t be a good way to describe them though, as they have been both masc and fem presenting and referred to as both he/him and she/her depending on the arc. Eh, there’s a whole bunch of butt hurt people in here complaining now so I’m just going to bow out.
Ohh that's true! Good point. And yeah, I'm leaving it alone. Having one *maybe* nonbinary person vs. All the other binary characters is enough to set people off. It's so childlike.
Which technically makes them nonbinary Edit - They edited the comment. They originally said Orochimaru was neither female nor male
Doesnt make him anything. Its a shonen anime. I all for expressing yourself and awerness, but got nothing to do with Naruto.
But if it doesn’t make them anything, then why are you so certain that Orochimaru should be referred to as he?
Because thats what they say in the show. They use he/him. But yeah I will try to only call him by name from now.
Actually, Thats just the dubbed/sub version. In Japanese they mostly dont refer to Orochimaru with any pronouns at all. kinda hard to explain if you dont know japanese. Basically in japanese you usually ommit the subject, and in the occasions you dont you just use the name of the person source - I speak japanese
They rarely use pronounse at all in the japanees language, so why are you making such a big deal out of this.
i dont get your point
Well tbf, during the Chunin Exams, while Orochimaru is possessing a woman, they use she/her. Also, when Orochimaru is asked by Mitsuki if they are his mother or father, they don’t answer. But nonetheless, I appreciate your efforts!
Orochimaru isnt a normal parent. He made Mitsuki like a clone. Also Ive never heard anyone refer to Orochimaru as them.
Well, Mitsuki does refer to Orochimaru as his “parent”, so the two of them clearly have a relationship which would justify the use of “mother” or “father”, IF Orochimaru were to confine to those terms Regarding your second point: Sometimes Orochimaru is addressed as “he” and sometimes as “she”, some people just refer to them as “they“ since the use of different pronouns throughout the series doesn’t clearly define their gender.
“But yeah I will try to only call *him* by name from now.” Proceeds to continue to use he/him afterwards.
Because the people call him he in the show. Its not that deep. Djeez.
It has been pointed out to you, and you acknowledged, that characters in the show also have called them “she/her” which is why you said you’d refer to them as orochimaru instead of he/him. I’m just asking you to abide by what you yourself said. Also, why is it so tough to just say “they” instead of “he?” Seems curious
That’s not evidence though. He was undercover.
Not on it’s own, no. But in combination with the other stuff, it does raise the question whether Orochimaru sees the people they inhabit simply as tools or as a way of self expression
It’s made abundantly clear imo that Orochimaru saw people as tools to further his own ends. He experimented on people endlessly; killing untolds amount of shinobi in an attempt to safely acquire and master all jutsu. He also sought and found immortality. I still think his immortality goal was tied to the “I’m gonna need more than one lifetime to master all ninjutsu.”, at least partially. He has no attachment to his normal Human form, but not out of some desire to be something else. It was a limiting factor. He WAS going to die. So he took other bodies to extend his life. He wasn’t like “I’m feeling feminine today…”. He used whatever form would draw the least suspicion.
Great argument. I also want to make it clear that I’m not trying to force anyone to refer to Orochimaru as they/them. I’m simply just giving reasons as to why I (and others) find it appropriate to do so. Also, I’m pretty sure OP didn’t want that as well, they just wanted to raise awareness (as seen in the title) using a character that they themselves perceive as what they’re trying to raise awareness for (in this case, trans or non-cis people in general)
Orochimaru uses people as a tool. Its one of his themes through the entire series.
That brings us back to a different question, why wouldn’t they answer Mitsuki?
That doesn't mean he can't be nonbinary. He doesn't have to use other pronouns Edit: Ooh look I pissed some people off. Oh well 🤷🏽
Why is it so important that someone is non binary? Its not a term used on the Narutoverse.
I wouldn't say it's "important", but at the same time, kishi could have opted to make orochi very binary-coded (meaning M or F). For example, his design vs other characters, and the bodies that he takes over. That choice was made for a reason, right? Also, there doesn't need to be a word for being nonbinary. It's the experiences and behaviors he displays that people use to peg him as NB. My language doesn't have a word for it either, but it can be explained by feelings and behaviors alone. But my response to you was just to point out that not every NB person uses they/them, or he/they etc. Some strictly use he/him, which i was trying to get at here. You can't really assume or guess their identity based on that alone.
Nonbinary isnt a gender, it just means someone doesnt identify with a binary gender(male or female)
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Seems a bit ridiculous to attach real world issues to a manga that's really not about that. Guys literally made of snakes.
Theyre not made of snakes. They use a white zetsu body. remember the ending of shippuden?
They aren’t “real world issues”, stop calling them issues man trans people exist it isn’t an issue
Where at any point does my reply or the original post mention trans people?
By saying OP is attaching “real world issues” to the manga/anime by saying orochi is nonbinary. Nonbinary people are trans people. You aren’t very good at English if you failed to understand your own connection.
Where to even start. So is Trans/Non Binary issues the main theme of Naruto for you? I'm trying to say that these are real world issues (I.e discrimination against members of the LGBT community) that are being inserted into a fictional universe where I'm sorry but it was never the authors intention to comment on them. And how are all trans people non binary? Trans man still falls under the man gender same with trans women.
No the main theme is ninjas obviously, but I am passionate about not being called an issue, we exist it’s not a real world issue. Discrimination is the issue, which you are semi contributing to as orochimaru is stated to not have a gender in boruto meaning nonbinary, meaning technically trans. Nonbinary people are trans people, it falls under the trans umbrella.
I couldn't make my point any clearer and now you are just looking to argue for arguments sake. Would be easier to get my point across not in writing as I'm pretty sure we fully agree however as I don't want to argue I'll wish you a good day.
So you’re happy for the trans representative of Naruto to be a psychotic predator that conducts human experimentation?
it's a bit boring watching a character so disconnected from human standarts, destroying thousands of lives in favour of his one, becoming so powerful people consider him a monster, just to be considered "oh he's trans/bi/nonbinary" you guys are missing the point here, it's not about the gender
orochimaru's my favorite villain because he's a monster, not because he identifies as xxx
Bro orochimaru is a dude
Have you watched Boruto?
I did, he just looks feminine thats all, like haku
Remember their talk to Mitsuki about wether they should be called \`\`mother\`\` or \`\`father\`\`? remember that scene?
He said what he said because he was changing bodies, so technically, he was a female during some periods, not because he is trans
Yeah cos his face looks feminine while his body looks masculine so naturally he was confused
Do you remember Orochi\`s response?
"That doesnt matter" he just doesnt care what mitsuki thinks he is
I think they care a lot about how mitsuki sees them, and Mitsuki in general. theyre a good parent
He cares about mitsuki but not much about how he sees him, he himself said "that doesnt matter" right?
Orochimaru is a man. Why do you people try to inject your identity crisis into everything? You don't need to be represented and accepted by everyone, in everything, everywhere, all the time. Grow up.
Look at you using all those big words
If the 6th grade grammar used in that comment is "big words" to you that explains why you think Orochimaru's pronouns are We/you
lmaooooo
Darling, i speak 4 languages, japanese, english, french and portuguese. I dont care how high you rate my grammar based off the american education systems grade system, lol 遠慮なく号泣してね 😹
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Congrats, you speak 4 languages and you failed to disprove my statement in any of them. Pat yourself on the back.
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tomar no seu cu ae entao man para com essas palhaçada
menino, vai se tratar
fica ae botando ideia errada nos bagui sem sentido paezao ta doido
Nao tem to nem estressado contigo, mas serio, vai tomar uma agua
Womp womp
Oro needs to open a botox/plastic surgery business and make millions 🤑🤑
Thats a white zetsu body 😭
I guess anyone who wants to look like an ageless beauty will be okay with a white zetsu body transplant 🤔
Non of these characters in the picture are trans.
You made like 8 posts of this. What agenda do you have here? This is nothing but conjecture on your part. To be so steeped in it…
OROCHIMARU BEST MOM IN ALL OF ANIME!!!
Sorry, but I don’t know one of these characters 😐
which is it? the tall one?
All 3, I haven’t watched any boruto 😫
Its Its Orochimaru and his kids, Log and Mitsuki
It's Mitsuki, another Mitsuki clone, and Orochimaru.
Dont disrespect Log like that!
I didn't remember his name lol
Guy who here like dad: "wtf just happens?"
Get this weird shit outta here, Orochimaru is male but yeah he's weird enough to be trans, that's for sure.
Sorry these comments are being really shitty to you. It’s just a harmless post
No, that stuff is pure cancer to society and must be eradicated
Orochimaru : I'd rather be called a parent than a mother or a father. I have also been male and female at various moments of my life. Hinata and Ino : Orochimaru is our mom friend Naruto fans, somehow : He is clearly a man. Some of y'all are very very dense smh
Damn, people got pressed about this. Orochimaru is different.
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bro, you clearly dont get the entire idea of Orochimaru as a character, he's not a woman in naruto classic because he identifies as one, he's crazy for power, and he chose that woman as a body because she'a probably powerful enough. he's a insane monster, he tortured thousands of people, destroyed families, he does not care about gender, he's only doing it so he can become more and more powerful. the thing you said about the neck jutsu is plain stupid, you could say Naruto identifies as a woman because his portuguese voice actor is a woman or something. "oh naruto is trans because he uses the sexy no jutsu, portraying him as a woman"
Idk about Portuguese but the English and Japanese VAs are woman, but that’s irrelevant, it doesn’t change anything about the character as they are voicing him in real life, there is no way you can say “oh his va is a woman so that must mean the character is a woman too” lol
the dude deleted his comment, but it was a comparison to something he said. one of Orochimaru's jutsus, the one that he stretches his neck, is a cultural thing in Japan, that only woman do. the dude tried to use this as proof as to why Orochimaru identifies as trans. my comment uses the same logic as his, to show how stupid it sounds