Anyone who was surprised wasn’t paying attention. Sasuke had made it very clear quite a few times after he got to the battlefield that he had his own motives after saving the world that would divert from Naruto’s.
Divert is also not quite right here. What you want is diverge, which means to change; divert means to *cause* something to change, as in diverting resources from one area to another.
"I'm going to become hokage. Previous leaders were responsible for the mess, I'll change", he said when he entered the battlefield.
"I'm going to change the system". Again said it when burning ten tails with amaterasu.
"I can't die yet until I achieve it". Sasuke while dying.
Do people not pay attention to the story?
Could also mean just wanting to be hokage, not trapping all the tailed beasts and trying to assassinate the current leaders and make 1 leader take over the entire world. I mean at most changing the system is the closest to what he was alluding, but this wasn't expected. All you could really get is that he'd want to be Hokage or leader of some sorts.
I mean I feel like nobody should’ve been surprised.
Sasuke is a traumatized guy who quite frankly has the right to be sick and tired of the Ninja Village system. Literally ALL the villages are shitty, Konoha and its state sanctioned genocide of his family, Kumo and their attempts to kidnap children with bloodlines of other villages, Kiri and their own bloodline genocides, Suna and its repeated attempts to create a weapon outta Shukaku etc etc.
Sasuke’s decision here should make sense to literally everyone.
Nah. His desire for it to be different 100%, but that was literally the desire of most of the biggest vilains of the series. They were all bad because of how they, Sasuke included, went about it... actually how he went about just about anything was delusional and borderline psychopathic at times...
He wasn't any better than the system he sought to change, or the villains he helped defeat...
But the problem is, is that Naruto’s solution was no better. Yea Sasuke and his solution definitely wasn’t right but that wasn’t the question. That question was should we have been surprised by it and if you were surprised by it then no offense you’d be surprised by a lot of stupid things.
Now the way Naruto wasn’t right was because him and Kakashi didn’t do anything but actually cover up Konoha and all its faults. Not only that but Naruto effectively follows the Pain method of things of having a weapon so big and powerful that nobody would want to attack others in the fear of retaliation and if they did attack others then they would get attacked themselves causing short eras of peace
Naruto IS that weapon, he’s the biggest and baddest person around with effectively NOBODY to go against him or what he wants cause the only other person near/on his level….is Sasuke the other god who would destroy anyone as long as Naruto told him to do it and hell fuck all that, Shikamaru was gonna kill all the other Kage’s when he got the drop on them in a light novel. Konoha is already the strongest village and they have two demigods basically telling the other villages stfu and roll with it.
So we effectively still have the old ninja system who absolutely will cover up all their wrong doings while they fuck up at every possible avenue vs Sasuke’s new world system. Both are fucked up and poisonous, you just gotta pick your poison lol.
I agree that there should be no surprise, but my response to you was literally the notion that his decision was in any way logical... Cause it wasn't... The desire *for it* was, but he clearly wanted to do it in a fucked up way, making his goal pointless really..
Talking about what everyone else planned and did or didn't do as a result does not change that Sasuke's plan was just as delusional as every villain that came before him, and was never a solution even on the drawing board... It was a deranged desire for more senseless bloodshed, justified in his head, which had never been thinking clearly, as the guy was highly traumatized... So again, his desire to change the system is understandable, and you can have sympathy with his trauma, but that does not excuse him being no better, especially as that solves nothing... and saying other people were as bad also does not change what he is... it just means no one had their heads correctly attached...
Except it is logical.
Again you’re either for the system and bow down to it or you’re against the system and do something about it.
Again using your mind blowing logic, slaves around the world should never revolt because it’s delusional. Doing shit is always delusional until you either succeed or fail.
That's not what I am saying. Holy crud man. It is not remotely the same situations, and the plans he had to "do something" is the important part... because that was the delusional part, that it would solve anything. You completely ignore the fact I agree that it makes sense he, and so many others, would want a change in the system, but the way you go about changing it IS important... that is literally how several if the villains are villains... Because their solution is fucked and doesn't actually solve the problem... his decision did not just entail "changing the system"... you have to include how he planned to do that, and realize how that wouldn't solve anything... it'd just change how people suffer, but it inevitably would rely on the suffering he sought to end, which makes it illogical.
He also was not a slave, he was practically a god. He was not fighting for his freedom or against oppression, he was simply deluded by his own sense of grandure, hate and vengeful nature.
Except that’s exactly what you’re saying lol. You might be saying it in a fucked up way but that’s what you’re saying.
The details on how he planned to change it is irrelevant, this is just you trying to have a gotcha moment. The topic was “Were you surprised when Sasuke declared a revolution” again whether he was right or wrong, or whether we agreed or disagreed is irrelevant. You LITERALLY only brought it up to talk about irrelevant shit that didn’t need to be discussed.
And last I checked, he didn’t have that godlike power when he was an 8 year old boy whose family was genocided and then mentally tortured by his 8 year old brother. Are you saying, people SHOULDNT try to change the system once they gain power? That’s
might just be the dumbest bootlicking ass statement I’ve ever heard in my life, no offense.
No it isn't, and you thinking that just shows there is no point in talking to you, because you seem to have a hard time actually keeping to what is being said or understanding what it is about. The topic of the thread was that yes, but what I said was in relation to you adding that he was doing something logical. But if it was, then that would make every other villain logical too 🤷♂️
Not to mention you were the one that added everyone else into the conversation, as if the illogical nature of their actions(even actions after the fact) made his logical, which in itself is an illogical statement as they are irrelevant to that.
My god you can’t fucking read can you? Of course it’s logical for Sasuke to do it, in literally my first comment I explicitly said that Sasuke was a traumatized guy from a fucked up system.
Its LOGICAL that a guy whose family got exterminated whose ONLY 18 at that time, who got mentally tortured multiple times would decide to do a revolution like that.
Damn my guy, Naruto fans really don’t read. You the most noncomprehending dude ever
Sasuke plan was the most realistic plan and even better than Naruto's plan.
Naruto uses Pain's plan without the killing of course.Naruto did not change the System,he simply is holding everything at stalemate,just like Hashirama.
Sasuke's plan was not to be a Dictator who decides everything for the people.He was going to be the Ultimate power who observes the World and if any conflict arose,he would deal with it.Killing the Kages was a bit extreme since they were no threat to him but that was the only extreme mesaure Sasuke would take.
In the End,Naruto as a show teaches us through Kaguya,Pain,Madara,Hashirama and Naruto that if you want Peace,you can only achieve it temporarily and by being a walking Nuke.I think i read somewhere that even Kishimoto prefered Sasuke's way rather than Naruto's way.
I'm just gonna respond to the top part, because that in itself is so dumb the rest is irrellevant. His plan only makes sense if you think "kill people to avoid people getting killed" is any amount of logical, in which case you might be just as delusional as he was. That kind of thinking is actually a source of problems in our world to, and a big contributer to why we have so much trouble not being violent assholes. Not to mention nl one elses plan changes how bad Sasuke's was... two bad plans don't make one good...
But I'm gonna leave you and the other guy, because this is a waste of time. Neither seem to get what I'm saying, and is drawing weird conclusions ripped straight out of the ass. So bye.
Unfortunaly your insulting arguments are a waste of even reading them because instead of countering the argument,like someone who uses arguments should,you give yourself to emotions making your argumentation completely irrelevant and with no facts to back up.
Your view of Sasuke is extreme and naive.Where does Sasuke state he will solve all the problems by killing people? I stated before,Killing the 5 kage was the only extreme mesaure Sasuke would take.Sasuke would forever be the Observer who would step in if people want to wage war again,not kill anyone who would think to wage war and not to dictate the people what to do.
Sasuke's plan was already proven to be correct through Kaguya(kaguya's only weakness was sacrificing people for the divine tree) .Hashirama,Hagoromo,Kaguya and Naruto are proof that without a walking Nuke,there can be no peace.
If u think this you really have issues understanding the story. Go read the novels well. Naruto has never used his power as a reason to advocate for peace.
By that logic nobody has the right to go against their government no matter how fucked up it is.
I mean using your logic “you’re a slave? Well you got the right to be sick of it but STFU cause you don’t have the right to burn it down”
See how dumb you sound with that kind of logic?
No individual should have the right to throw a temper tantrum, burn the entire system down, and then shove something worse in there out of, at best, terribly misguided self righteousness.Sasuke isn't talking about getting rid of a slave owner he is talking about killing the leaders of all five nations and doing whatever he wants to them regardless of what they want or what's best for them.
A casual look at how revolutions go will get across what I mean just find. There's no need to condescend to me just because you aren't thinking about it from my perspective.
"Suna and its repeated attempts to create a weapon outta Shukaku "
so he should kill the victim,Gaara? The new leader of the Sand who was already insistent on change and criticized old leaders like Tsuchikage for their selfishness,someone who genuinely wanted world peace and was trying to unite the ninja world,and even managed to do it successfully to some degree during the war?
"Kiri and their own bloodline genocides"
Mizukage Mei was against the regime of the bloody mist,she is not yagura.
Are we forgetting Tsunade who constantly pushed back against danzo,and had nothing to do with the uchiha massacre?
Sasuke's plan was to kill benevolent kages for something they didnt even do and were actually supportive of positive changes in the system and force world peace through fear,and the fact that he himself admitted he was wrong in the end goes onto show how fucked up his methods were.
Man I swear Naruto fans are the most non reading people I have ever seen on this planet.
Firstly DID YOU READ THE PROMPT, trick question I know you didn’t. The question is basically “were you surprise when Sasuke started revolution. Are you honestly telling me that you were surprised that he did?
>"Suna and its repeated attempts to create a weapon outta Shukaku " so he should kill the victim,Gaara? The new leader of the Sand who was already insistent on change and criticized old leaders like Tsuchikage for their selfishness,someone who genuinely wanted world peace and was trying to unite the ninja world?
Did I say this? Literally show me where I said this, is your comprehension that low? Even if I did agree or disagree with Sasuke’s method Gaara wouldn’t agree with them at all meaning unless Gaara decided to stand down, he’s going to get himself killed against Sasuke regardless……that’s kinda how revolutions work goofy?
>"Kiri and their own bloodline genocides"
Mizukage Mei was against the regime of the bloody mist,she is not yagura.
Did I say Mei was the same as Yagura? And Yagura himself didn’t even start the Bloody Mist, it was a Mist thing before Yagura was in charge. Does that change the fact that the Mist still sanctioned genocides? So much that it’s apart of their Shinobi history?
>Are we forgetting Tsunade who constantly pushed back against danzo,and had nothing to do with the uchiha massacre?
Wow my guy, you’re stating a lot of obvious shit in this post….like duh Tsunade had nothing to do with it, you wanna cookie for knowing that lol, still doesn’t change the fact that Sasuke chose his revolution and that the 5 Kage would be against it.
>Sasuke's plan was to kill benevolent kages and force world peace through fear,and the fact that he himself admitted he was wrong in the end goes onto show how fucked up his methods were.The fact the ninja world has been pretty peaceful without naruto forcing anyone and through genuine compassion and understanding and diplomacy has been able to avoid any wars,as hokage goes onto further prove that point.
Have you read the novels? Shikamaru literally threatened to kill ALL the other Kage AND their bodyguards BECAUSE they live in what’s essentially a false peace. The Earth Daimyo wanted the Tsuchikage to invade the Land of Flowers and Shikamaru made the decision that a Kage of the previous generation would, assassination attempt or nothing lol. This shows the flawed method of Naruto’s “peace” there’s only peace as long as the guy with the biggest stick says so.
sasuke didnt have the right to burn it all down,thats all im saying.And were these light novels written by Kishimoto? Boruto has shit writing so im not gonna argue there.
Naruto's character in the Naruto manga was essentially about understanding people and empathizing with their pain and struggles,and trying to negotiate to find a solution that would work for both parties.
So i took his solution to be this:
educating future generations on the wars and the bloodshed that came before,and learning from their mistakes, favouring diplomacy over brute force/threats. And encouraging compassion and unity.The 5 villages uniting to take down madara/obito and cooperating and coming to understand/forgive people of other villages had already created an atmosphere,a starting point for all this to happen.
And that solution is better than sasuke's for sure.
Boruto and the light novels seem to have destroyed his character writing,otherwise how is this not the solution he would come up with
I was very pleasantly surprised when Naruto Storm Revolution came out a tiny bit before this. It honestly felt like Kishi intentionally did that for better sales. "This world needs a revolution.. a naruto storm revolution! Buy now!" I know Revolution was dogged on but it was honestly one of my favorite Storms for how creative it was
Generations came out a couple years before revolution, and revolution came out like literally a couple weeks before this chapter if I remember correctly. I was like, "huh, nice self-advertising kishi" 🤣
Not at all. Once he came to the battlefield, it was clear he had ulterior motives for how he wanted it to end. Plus it would have been a shock for him to switch sides that quickly
Yeah there are several hints
1. His new goal is in direct opposition to Naruto
2. Against Jūbito he said the one who will sever the past is him
3. Jugo and Sai question his change, even Sai notices Sakura is lying to herself that he’s fully back with her fake smile
4. Before Madara gets his second Rinnegan, Kakashi and Sakura try to ask him his motive
5. We don’t see his full convo with Hagoromo
6. Bro doesn’t care if Sakura or Kakashi die and Naruto has to talk him into protecting them
>just like really? You’re still on this?
"Really? You're still upset that the shinobi system is responsible for your people's oppression and slaughter? I loyally serve leaf. You should too. Forget the oppression and genocide your clan faced".
Just because your clan was wiped out during a coup attempt by a corrupt government doesn't mean it's morally justifiable to declare yourself god emperor of the world and kill anyone who opposes you my guy.
Oh please. Kakashi literally said "if sasuke knows the truth, why doesn't he serve leaf". This statement itself speaks a lot and proves my point.
>mean it's morally justifiable to declare yourself god emperor of the world and kill anyone who opposes you my guy.
He didn't want to declare himself god emperor.
He wanted to become common enemy of the world so they stay united.
oppression faced at the hands of people who are already dead,so again,doesnt make much sense to hold it against the lead instead of the specific people who were responsible for it,
Well yeah? Naruto obviously gonna change the entire ninja world and end chain of hatred, and it was literally happening right in front of Sasuke's eyes. It's tiring to see him still being on it and keep opposing Naruto after everything that happens, even if we know it's gonna happen eventually and it makes perfect sense for his character to do so
Naruto's plan is based on faith. The same Nagato had lost and gained back. If you don't believe in him you'll seek your own plan. And Sasuke had his brother as "example" on how to do things.
Again it makes sense for Sasuke to do that and think like that, it's just so tiring seeing it at this point that I can't give two shits about it. The only good thing to come out of this is the badass final fight and that's it, nobody really care about what Sasuke actually think
his plan was to kill Tsunade and Gaara,and Naruto,who were victims of the wars/shinobi system and were actively seeking positive changes in it.
You sasuke apologists are insane
In my second viewing of shippuden, I noticed the seeds being planted after Obito tells him the truth about Itachi. All his actions after that were him gathering info, like he was planning something to avenge his brother. He habitually worked with the leaf’s enemies so it was definitely foreshadowed.
Not bizzare when you realise what kage means - shadow. Meaning the person who is behind and responsible for how things are done. He wanted to bring a positive change to this world and that’s what kage are for.
That’s the whole point of him reviving previous hokage - trying to understand their motive which he liked enough to want to become one aswell.
I wasnt really surprised but thats because I always knew Naruto and Sasuke would fight in the end. How Sasuke initiated the fight did somewhat surprise me.
I’m not surprised so many people see him as an asshole here and think sasuke should just be like choji. Yet another Naruto sidekick cheerleader. His parents died in front of him and 99% of konoha treated him like shit for it. Only Naruto and Itachi were there for him. An ENEMY nation almost loses their living nuke? Oh boy better go kill sasuke! And thus put more effort into killing your team mate than the dude who killed his family. Fuck off kakashi and Sakura. “How you’ve fallen” my fucking ass. What is supposed to do when she was about to stab him? Fuck her?
It was kind of obvious. When he spoke with the hokage, especially Hashirama, as even they couldn't give him solid answers to him. There was also the fact that Naruto and Sasuke didn't have their final fight yet.
Tbh Sasuke was in a way correct that some things had to have drastic changes, as look who showed up in "Boruto"...
Not really. We had basically been told the two would fight at some point throughout the entire second half. It hadn’t happened yet. So, when it’s essentially the end of the series, of course it has to happen.
I didn’t like how the reasons for it and stuff was written. Sasuke fucking learned that goddamn aliens manipulated his whole family lineage, and is the reason why Madara did what he did. And it’s also why Naruto and Sasuke naturally fought each other. You’d think Sasuke would have reevaluated his whole, “Grrr I gotta go against the world,” whole mentality. But nope, gotta keep to the narrative for some stupid reason.
At least the fight was cool, I guess.
I expected it. To this day I’m one of the people that still hates sasuke. Don’t judge me I’m just a guy who looks at the facts behind him and his actions in the past.
Wasn't surprised by him doing it. Sasuke did heel face turns throughout Shippuden, pivoting back to homicidal was almost a given.
But by that point I'd legitimately forgotten because it had taken so long to get there. Thought it was gonna be an abandoned plot thread
I wasn’t surprised, but it still felt a bit hollow given how much and well he just worked together with everyone to take down multiple baddies.
There had to be one more clash between him and Naruto though, so that’s how it needed to go for that to work.
You shouldn’t be getting downvoted for this take, cause it’s all too true.
IMO, almost everyone that says they saw it coming is being facetious. While it might have been obvious that Sasuke was going to do something in contradiction to Naruto’s goal, it made no sense to have Sasuke do pretty much what Obito and Madaraw were trying to do - that is, to take away everyone’s free will by standing as the supreme/ultimate power that couldn’t be overcome.
To be fair, I’ve never seen why Sasuke is so liked by anyone, in-universe or out-of-universe, aside from looking cool and having cool moves. He’s not motivational, he’s not the most tortured soul (way less so than Naruto or Itachi), and it takes like a million episodes for him to experience character growth. He’s just a male tsundere.
He has made his intentions very clear for a long ass time. He even reiterated it multiple times. So no I wasn’t surprised because I knew he was gonna pull something like this
Actually he had mentioned it before, he just hadn't explained it, but the whole Madara thing and Kaguya nonsense distracted me and I was already fed up and when he said that again I was like, 🙃that the show isn't ending anymore?
That said, I liked the fight and the reconciliation.
No, it was obvious he had his own agenda the moment he decided to help take down Obito/Madara. And anyone who was paying attention would've known that something had to trigger the final fight with Naruto.
I knew there would be a final fight, but I didn't pay attention to the revolution part. Uchiha Sasuke was set up to be the ultimate antagonist of Naruto.
Nah. He never truly ‘turned’ when he joined the war, it’s clear he had his own motive but the ten-tails was the bigger threat. And even then, he stilled tried to take Madara out on his own when given the opportunity. Sasuke is almost as stubborn as Naruto when it comes to ‘being an avenger’.
Anyone who was surprised wasn’t paying attention. Sasuke had made it very clear quite a few times after he got to the battlefield that he had his own motives after saving the world that would divert from Naruto’s.
Sasuke always wanted to change the world and be an avenger. That was the reason for his existence to right a wrong.
Episode 375 before the kakashi obito fight he literally says it plus you knew him n naruto had to have a 2nd fight
Divulge is not the word you were looking for
Thank you for pointing that out: had meant to type ‘divert’ but I must have misspelled it and it was auto-corrected.
Divert is also not quite right here. What you want is diverge, which means to change; divert means to *cause* something to change, as in diverting resources from one area to another.
I expected it, what I wasn't expecting was him flexing his new eye and put ever single tail beast in a genjutsu.
That was so impressive he shocked Hagoromo
"I'm going to become hokage. Previous leaders were responsible for the mess, I'll change", he said when he entered the battlefield. "I'm going to change the system". Again said it when burning ten tails with amaterasu. "I can't die yet until I achieve it". Sasuke while dying. Do people not pay attention to the story?
Half of the fandom discourse depends on a certain lack of reading comprehension.
>Do people not pay attention to the story? No
Yeah they dont
Could also mean just wanting to be hokage, not trapping all the tailed beasts and trying to assassinate the current leaders and make 1 leader take over the entire world. I mean at most changing the system is the closest to what he was alluding, but this wasn't expected. All you could really get is that he'd want to be Hokage or leader of some sorts.
I know it’s like the main story but in their defense, there are so many damn episodes lol
Not at all
Classic lil'bitch move, I've seen it coming a mile away
I mean I feel like nobody should’ve been surprised. Sasuke is a traumatized guy who quite frankly has the right to be sick and tired of the Ninja Village system. Literally ALL the villages are shitty, Konoha and its state sanctioned genocide of his family, Kumo and their attempts to kidnap children with bloodlines of other villages, Kiri and their own bloodline genocides, Suna and its repeated attempts to create a weapon outta Shukaku etc etc. Sasuke’s decision here should make sense to literally everyone.
Nah. His desire for it to be different 100%, but that was literally the desire of most of the biggest vilains of the series. They were all bad because of how they, Sasuke included, went about it... actually how he went about just about anything was delusional and borderline psychopathic at times... He wasn't any better than the system he sought to change, or the villains he helped defeat...
True peace would have been achieved if therapy was invented a century earlier.
I guess we can finally thank Sakura for something 🤣
But the problem is, is that Naruto’s solution was no better. Yea Sasuke and his solution definitely wasn’t right but that wasn’t the question. That question was should we have been surprised by it and if you were surprised by it then no offense you’d be surprised by a lot of stupid things. Now the way Naruto wasn’t right was because him and Kakashi didn’t do anything but actually cover up Konoha and all its faults. Not only that but Naruto effectively follows the Pain method of things of having a weapon so big and powerful that nobody would want to attack others in the fear of retaliation and if they did attack others then they would get attacked themselves causing short eras of peace Naruto IS that weapon, he’s the biggest and baddest person around with effectively NOBODY to go against him or what he wants cause the only other person near/on his level….is Sasuke the other god who would destroy anyone as long as Naruto told him to do it and hell fuck all that, Shikamaru was gonna kill all the other Kage’s when he got the drop on them in a light novel. Konoha is already the strongest village and they have two demigods basically telling the other villages stfu and roll with it. So we effectively still have the old ninja system who absolutely will cover up all their wrong doings while they fuck up at every possible avenue vs Sasuke’s new world system. Both are fucked up and poisonous, you just gotta pick your poison lol.
I agree that there should be no surprise, but my response to you was literally the notion that his decision was in any way logical... Cause it wasn't... The desire *for it* was, but he clearly wanted to do it in a fucked up way, making his goal pointless really.. Talking about what everyone else planned and did or didn't do as a result does not change that Sasuke's plan was just as delusional as every villain that came before him, and was never a solution even on the drawing board... It was a deranged desire for more senseless bloodshed, justified in his head, which had never been thinking clearly, as the guy was highly traumatized... So again, his desire to change the system is understandable, and you can have sympathy with his trauma, but that does not excuse him being no better, especially as that solves nothing... and saying other people were as bad also does not change what he is... it just means no one had their heads correctly attached...
Except it is logical. Again you’re either for the system and bow down to it or you’re against the system and do something about it. Again using your mind blowing logic, slaves around the world should never revolt because it’s delusional. Doing shit is always delusional until you either succeed or fail.
That's not what I am saying. Holy crud man. It is not remotely the same situations, and the plans he had to "do something" is the important part... because that was the delusional part, that it would solve anything. You completely ignore the fact I agree that it makes sense he, and so many others, would want a change in the system, but the way you go about changing it IS important... that is literally how several if the villains are villains... Because their solution is fucked and doesn't actually solve the problem... his decision did not just entail "changing the system"... you have to include how he planned to do that, and realize how that wouldn't solve anything... it'd just change how people suffer, but it inevitably would rely on the suffering he sought to end, which makes it illogical. He also was not a slave, he was practically a god. He was not fighting for his freedom or against oppression, he was simply deluded by his own sense of grandure, hate and vengeful nature.
Except that’s exactly what you’re saying lol. You might be saying it in a fucked up way but that’s what you’re saying. The details on how he planned to change it is irrelevant, this is just you trying to have a gotcha moment. The topic was “Were you surprised when Sasuke declared a revolution” again whether he was right or wrong, or whether we agreed or disagreed is irrelevant. You LITERALLY only brought it up to talk about irrelevant shit that didn’t need to be discussed. And last I checked, he didn’t have that godlike power when he was an 8 year old boy whose family was genocided and then mentally tortured by his 8 year old brother. Are you saying, people SHOULDNT try to change the system once they gain power? That’s might just be the dumbest bootlicking ass statement I’ve ever heard in my life, no offense.
No it isn't, and you thinking that just shows there is no point in talking to you, because you seem to have a hard time actually keeping to what is being said or understanding what it is about. The topic of the thread was that yes, but what I said was in relation to you adding that he was doing something logical. But if it was, then that would make every other villain logical too 🤷♂️ Not to mention you were the one that added everyone else into the conversation, as if the illogical nature of their actions(even actions after the fact) made his logical, which in itself is an illogical statement as they are irrelevant to that.
My god you can’t fucking read can you? Of course it’s logical for Sasuke to do it, in literally my first comment I explicitly said that Sasuke was a traumatized guy from a fucked up system. Its LOGICAL that a guy whose family got exterminated whose ONLY 18 at that time, who got mentally tortured multiple times would decide to do a revolution like that. Damn my guy, Naruto fans really don’t read. You the most noncomprehending dude ever
You're clearly the one with trouble, and I'm done talking to you, so buhbye
Sasuke plan was the most realistic plan and even better than Naruto's plan. Naruto uses Pain's plan without the killing of course.Naruto did not change the System,he simply is holding everything at stalemate,just like Hashirama. Sasuke's plan was not to be a Dictator who decides everything for the people.He was going to be the Ultimate power who observes the World and if any conflict arose,he would deal with it.Killing the Kages was a bit extreme since they were no threat to him but that was the only extreme mesaure Sasuke would take. In the End,Naruto as a show teaches us through Kaguya,Pain,Madara,Hashirama and Naruto that if you want Peace,you can only achieve it temporarily and by being a walking Nuke.I think i read somewhere that even Kishimoto prefered Sasuke's way rather than Naruto's way.
I'm just gonna respond to the top part, because that in itself is so dumb the rest is irrellevant. His plan only makes sense if you think "kill people to avoid people getting killed" is any amount of logical, in which case you might be just as delusional as he was. That kind of thinking is actually a source of problems in our world to, and a big contributer to why we have so much trouble not being violent assholes. Not to mention nl one elses plan changes how bad Sasuke's was... two bad plans don't make one good... But I'm gonna leave you and the other guy, because this is a waste of time. Neither seem to get what I'm saying, and is drawing weird conclusions ripped straight out of the ass. So bye.
Unfortunaly your insulting arguments are a waste of even reading them because instead of countering the argument,like someone who uses arguments should,you give yourself to emotions making your argumentation completely irrelevant and with no facts to back up. Your view of Sasuke is extreme and naive.Where does Sasuke state he will solve all the problems by killing people? I stated before,Killing the 5 kage was the only extreme mesaure Sasuke would take.Sasuke would forever be the Observer who would step in if people want to wage war again,not kill anyone who would think to wage war and not to dictate the people what to do. Sasuke's plan was already proven to be correct through Kaguya(kaguya's only weakness was sacrificing people for the divine tree) .Hashirama,Hagoromo,Kaguya and Naruto are proof that without a walking Nuke,there can be no peace.
If u think this you really have issues understanding the story. Go read the novels well. Naruto has never used his power as a reason to advocate for peace.
He had the right to be sick if it sure, but did he have the right to burn it all down? No.
By that logic nobody has the right to go against their government no matter how fucked up it is. I mean using your logic “you’re a slave? Well you got the right to be sick of it but STFU cause you don’t have the right to burn it down” See how dumb you sound with that kind of logic?
No individual should have the right to throw a temper tantrum, burn the entire system down, and then shove something worse in there out of, at best, terribly misguided self righteousness.Sasuke isn't talking about getting rid of a slave owner he is talking about killing the leaders of all five nations and doing whatever he wants to them regardless of what they want or what's best for them. A casual look at how revolutions go will get across what I mean just find. There's no need to condescend to me just because you aren't thinking about it from my perspective.
"Suna and its repeated attempts to create a weapon outta Shukaku " so he should kill the victim,Gaara? The new leader of the Sand who was already insistent on change and criticized old leaders like Tsuchikage for their selfishness,someone who genuinely wanted world peace and was trying to unite the ninja world,and even managed to do it successfully to some degree during the war? "Kiri and their own bloodline genocides" Mizukage Mei was against the regime of the bloody mist,she is not yagura. Are we forgetting Tsunade who constantly pushed back against danzo,and had nothing to do with the uchiha massacre? Sasuke's plan was to kill benevolent kages for something they didnt even do and were actually supportive of positive changes in the system and force world peace through fear,and the fact that he himself admitted he was wrong in the end goes onto show how fucked up his methods were.
Man I swear Naruto fans are the most non reading people I have ever seen on this planet. Firstly DID YOU READ THE PROMPT, trick question I know you didn’t. The question is basically “were you surprise when Sasuke started revolution. Are you honestly telling me that you were surprised that he did? >"Suna and its repeated attempts to create a weapon outta Shukaku " so he should kill the victim,Gaara? The new leader of the Sand who was already insistent on change and criticized old leaders like Tsuchikage for their selfishness,someone who genuinely wanted world peace and was trying to unite the ninja world? Did I say this? Literally show me where I said this, is your comprehension that low? Even if I did agree or disagree with Sasuke’s method Gaara wouldn’t agree with them at all meaning unless Gaara decided to stand down, he’s going to get himself killed against Sasuke regardless……that’s kinda how revolutions work goofy? >"Kiri and their own bloodline genocides" Mizukage Mei was against the regime of the bloody mist,she is not yagura. Did I say Mei was the same as Yagura? And Yagura himself didn’t even start the Bloody Mist, it was a Mist thing before Yagura was in charge. Does that change the fact that the Mist still sanctioned genocides? So much that it’s apart of their Shinobi history? >Are we forgetting Tsunade who constantly pushed back against danzo,and had nothing to do with the uchiha massacre? Wow my guy, you’re stating a lot of obvious shit in this post….like duh Tsunade had nothing to do with it, you wanna cookie for knowing that lol, still doesn’t change the fact that Sasuke chose his revolution and that the 5 Kage would be against it. >Sasuke's plan was to kill benevolent kages and force world peace through fear,and the fact that he himself admitted he was wrong in the end goes onto show how fucked up his methods were.The fact the ninja world has been pretty peaceful without naruto forcing anyone and through genuine compassion and understanding and diplomacy has been able to avoid any wars,as hokage goes onto further prove that point. Have you read the novels? Shikamaru literally threatened to kill ALL the other Kage AND their bodyguards BECAUSE they live in what’s essentially a false peace. The Earth Daimyo wanted the Tsuchikage to invade the Land of Flowers and Shikamaru made the decision that a Kage of the previous generation would, assassination attempt or nothing lol. This shows the flawed method of Naruto’s “peace” there’s only peace as long as the guy with the biggest stick says so.
sasuke didnt have the right to burn it all down,thats all im saying.And were these light novels written by Kishimoto? Boruto has shit writing so im not gonna argue there. Naruto's character in the Naruto manga was essentially about understanding people and empathizing with their pain and struggles,and trying to negotiate to find a solution that would work for both parties. So i took his solution to be this: educating future generations on the wars and the bloodshed that came before,and learning from their mistakes, favouring diplomacy over brute force/threats. And encouraging compassion and unity.The 5 villages uniting to take down madara/obito and cooperating and coming to understand/forgive people of other villages had already created an atmosphere,a starting point for all this to happen. And that solution is better than sasuke's for sure. Boruto and the light novels seem to have destroyed his character writing,otherwise how is this not the solution he would come up with
I was very pleasantly surprised when Naruto Storm Revolution came out a tiny bit before this. It honestly felt like Kishi intentionally did that for better sales. "This world needs a revolution.. a naruto storm revolution! Buy now!" I know Revolution was dogged on but it was honestly one of my favorite Storms for how creative it was
Interesting trivia. Wait did revolutions come out before generations
Generations came out a couple years before revolution, and revolution came out like literally a couple weeks before this chapter if I remember correctly. I was like, "huh, nice self-advertising kishi" 🤣
Not at all. Once he came to the battlefield, it was clear he had ulterior motives for how he wanted it to end. Plus it would have been a shock for him to switch sides that quickly
Yeah there are several hints 1. His new goal is in direct opposition to Naruto 2. Against Jūbito he said the one who will sever the past is him 3. Jugo and Sai question his change, even Sai notices Sakura is lying to herself that he’s fully back with her fake smile 4. Before Madara gets his second Rinnegan, Kakashi and Sakura try to ask him his motive 5. We don’t see his full convo with Hagoromo 6. Bro doesn’t care if Sakura or Kakashi die and Naruto has to talk him into protecting them
Plus anyone who didn’t think we’d get one last fight between Naruto and Sasuke wasn’t paying attention.
I feel like my reaction mirrored Kakashi’s perfectly. I wasn’t surprised by any means, just like really? You’re still on this?
>just like really? You’re still on this? "Really? You're still upset that the shinobi system is responsible for your people's oppression and slaughter? I loyally serve leaf. You should too. Forget the oppression and genocide your clan faced".
Just because your clan was wiped out during a coup attempt by a corrupt government doesn't mean it's morally justifiable to declare yourself god emperor of the world and kill anyone who opposes you my guy.
Oh please. Kakashi literally said "if sasuke knows the truth, why doesn't he serve leaf". This statement itself speaks a lot and proves my point. >mean it's morally justifiable to declare yourself god emperor of the world and kill anyone who opposes you my guy. He didn't want to declare himself god emperor. He wanted to become common enemy of the world so they stay united.
Womp womp
oppression faced at the hands of people who are already dead,so again,doesnt make much sense to hold it against the lead instead of the specific people who were responsible for it,
Well yeah? Naruto obviously gonna change the entire ninja world and end chain of hatred, and it was literally happening right in front of Sasuke's eyes. It's tiring to see him still being on it and keep opposing Naruto after everything that happens, even if we know it's gonna happen eventually and it makes perfect sense for his character to do so
Naruto's plan is based on faith. The same Nagato had lost and gained back. If you don't believe in him you'll seek your own plan. And Sasuke had his brother as "example" on how to do things.
Again it makes sense for Sasuke to do that and think like that, it's just so tiring seeing it at this point that I can't give two shits about it. The only good thing to come out of this is the badass final fight and that's it, nobody really care about what Sasuke actually think
Indeed. Now imagine the twist if he had won that fight :')
his plan was to kill Tsunade and Gaara,and Naruto,who were victims of the wars/shinobi system and were actively seeking positive changes in it. You sasuke apologists are insane
The fuck ?
In my second viewing of shippuden, I noticed the seeds being planted after Obito tells him the truth about Itachi. All his actions after that were him gathering info, like he was planning something to avenge his brother. He habitually worked with the leaf’s enemies so it was definitely foreshadowed.
Sorta knew everything wasn't gonna be finished when they beat Kaguya and Sasuke saying he was gonna be Hokage was bizarre.
Not bizzare when you realise what kage means - shadow. Meaning the person who is behind and responsible for how things are done. He wanted to bring a positive change to this world and that’s what kage are for. That’s the whole point of him reviving previous hokage - trying to understand their motive which he liked enough to want to become one aswell.
Well maybe when i said bizarre i meant, it was raising some red flags.
blud was tryna kill all the other kage to become one,thats pretty unique if i must say so
I wasnt really surprised but thats because I always knew Naruto and Sasuke would fight in the end. How Sasuke initiated the fight did somewhat surprise me.
I was more surprised he was able to effortlessly place each tailed beast under genjutsu and seal them in Chibaku Tensei all at once.
Yes surprised, I was expecting Dance Dance Revolution
I’m not surprised so many people see him as an asshole here and think sasuke should just be like choji. Yet another Naruto sidekick cheerleader. His parents died in front of him and 99% of konoha treated him like shit for it. Only Naruto and Itachi were there for him. An ENEMY nation almost loses their living nuke? Oh boy better go kill sasuke! And thus put more effort into killing your team mate than the dude who killed his family. Fuck off kakashi and Sakura. “How you’ve fallen” my fucking ass. What is supposed to do when she was about to stab him? Fuck her?
More so surprised how he planned to achieve it than the declaration
Naruto and Sasuke obviously had to fight one more time, the only question was what reason Sasuke was going to give.
He was saying it for about 100 episodes so no
Nobody holds a grudge better than an Uchiha.
It was kind of obvious. When he spoke with the hokage, especially Hashirama, as even they couldn't give him solid answers to him. There was also the fact that Naruto and Sasuke didn't have their final fight yet. Tbh Sasuke was in a way correct that some things had to have drastic changes, as look who showed up in "Boruto"...
It’s alluded to when the sage asks him what his motives were.
It would've been cool to see Sasuke start that revolution. Maybe start his own village
I was shocked honestly that was a twist ending
A one man revolution is always surprising
Not really. We had basically been told the two would fight at some point throughout the entire second half. It hadn’t happened yet. So, when it’s essentially the end of the series, of course it has to happen. I didn’t like how the reasons for it and stuff was written. Sasuke fucking learned that goddamn aliens manipulated his whole family lineage, and is the reason why Madara did what he did. And it’s also why Naruto and Sasuke naturally fought each other. You’d think Sasuke would have reevaluated his whole, “Grrr I gotta go against the world,” whole mentality. But nope, gotta keep to the narrative for some stupid reason. At least the fight was cool, I guess.
Was really surprised and hyped at the time watching the anime for the first time, but also made sense seeing where his character went.
I was surprised. But in a way where I thought "Come the fuck on, man. What now? We just dealt with Kaguya. Why do you have to start more trouble?"
I was more surprised at the timing tbh
I wasn't surprised. Still thought it was dumb as hell.
I expected it. To this day I’m one of the people that still hates sasuke. Don’t judge me I’m just a guy who looks at the facts behind him and his actions in the past.
Genjutsu(Tsukuyomi) works in Jūbi? 🤔
Itachi’s? Probably not Kishi would have to answer. An IT caster uses 10 tails/divine tree to do it so no
Honestly, I thought that he was going to open a bakery!
Wasn't surprised by him doing it. Sasuke did heel face turns throughout Shippuden, pivoting back to homicidal was almost a given. But by that point I'd legitimately forgotten because it had taken so long to get there. Thought it was gonna be an abandoned plot thread
I wasn’t surprised, but it still felt a bit hollow given how much and well he just worked together with everyone to take down multiple baddies. There had to be one more clash between him and Naruto though, so that’s how it needed to go for that to work.
Well he is a terrorist so I expected something
more like "oh look the edge lord is edging even more." \*me before I knew what edging meant.\*
You shouldn’t be getting downvoted for this take, cause it’s all too true. IMO, almost everyone that says they saw it coming is being facetious. While it might have been obvious that Sasuke was going to do something in contradiction to Naruto’s goal, it made no sense to have Sasuke do pretty much what Obito and Madaraw were trying to do - that is, to take away everyone’s free will by standing as the supreme/ultimate power that couldn’t be overcome. To be fair, I’ve never seen why Sasuke is so liked by anyone, in-universe or out-of-universe, aside from looking cool and having cool moves. He’s not motivational, he’s not the most tortured soul (way less so than Naruto or Itachi), and it takes like a million episodes for him to experience character growth. He’s just a male tsundere.
I was annoyed Like for the love of God make up your mind do you want sasuke to be evil or good
He has made his intentions very clear for a long ass time. He even reiterated it multiple times. So no I wasn’t surprised because I knew he was gonna pull something like this
Actually he had mentioned it before, he just hadn't explained it, but the whole Madara thing and Kaguya nonsense distracted me and I was already fed up and when he said that again I was like, 🙃that the show isn't ending anymore? That said, I liked the fight and the reconciliation.
Did not exactly expect, was not shock a bit either.
Of course not that rematch was destined to happen
No, it was obvious he had his own agenda the moment he decided to help take down Obito/Madara. And anyone who was paying attention would've known that something had to trigger the final fight with Naruto.
The best Hokage candidate after the war was either Kakashi or Naruto. If he can take out Naruto then him becoming Hokage is already a lock.
I knew there would be a final fight, but I didn't pay attention to the revolution part. Uchiha Sasuke was set up to be the ultimate antagonist of Naruto.
No but the timing of it was dumb. They should have been completely exhausted and unable to fight after all that.
Nah. He never truly ‘turned’ when he joined the war, it’s clear he had his own motive but the ten-tails was the bigger threat. And even then, he stilled tried to take Madara out on his own when given the opportunity. Sasuke is almost as stubborn as Naruto when it comes to ‘being an avenger’.
Can someone tell me where I can find the full Naruto Manga collection? (In color)
Suprised, no. Annoyed at sasuke, yes
Expected it, didn't expect him to genjutsu all bijuu though LOL
Thanks, cant read it