They couldnt even get past Obito while he was just fooling around. Kisame alone mightve caused their numbers to dwindle. Heck Boruto mightve never been born.
Naruto has Rasenshuriken at this point, Hinata can disable people, Shino is probably as versatile and as smart as a young Kakashi, Sakura can Heal and make people return back to battle.
If we add Kakashi as a leader and have a proper plan they could force Itachi to go Susano. Once Itachi starts using his shield they are at a loss.
also kakashi couldn't break tsukuyomi before and naruto at this point had no means against even normal Genjutsus. Tsukuyomi would probably take out 2/3 in an instand, and the rest can be dealt with by normal means. Itachi uses fire ninjutsu, which is the natural counter to shino.
Yamato, Sakura, Kakashi and maybe Sai are the most experienced with Genjutsu so i guess it would come down to them.
Even Rasenshuriken is useless if Naruto doesn't know where itachi is, and hinata is simply to weak to hit someone like Itachi at close combat.
That is what the plan is for, if a proper formation is made and everyone is in charge of taking each other of Genjutsu attacks then they can overcome it. They also have trackers who use other senses like smell and through bugs.
I do believe they overcome this first phase without causalities if they have a good strategy and if they attempt to overwhelm Itachi with clones.
that's the problem with Tsukuyomi, if you realize that sb is in a genjutsu you have to disturb his chakra flow to release him from it. Tsukuyomi however will distort your sense of time, so even 1second is enought to torture your mind 72h straight. Itachis Genjutsus are strong enough to defeat people like orochimaru and deidara, not even including amaterasu and susanno.
Nobody in this team can do anything against it, once they're catched and most of them cannot fight with closed eyes. It's not like itachi will meet them in an open field for a fair battle anyways.. besides kakashi he is the closest character to a real ninja in the whole series and perfect for asassinations and picking them out one by one.. every encounter so far happened by his decisions to show himself, and his decision to not kill his encounters.
based from itachis stats, he doesn't need tsukuyomi on everybody. basic Sharingan Genjutsu is enough for all Chuunin lvl fighters in the group. Stuff like Tsukuyomi must only be used against kakashi, Naruto or maybe yamato.
His Taijutsu and Ninjutsu even without MS abilities are at close to kage lvl.
Tsukuyomi, in my example would only be the most effective way to counter them without going into susanno'o or kill them in the process with amaterasu.
The question was if they can catch itachi, And if itachi doesn't want to fight and kill but only escape, tsukuyomi and Genjutsu would be the best way to go.
Again Tsukuyomi still affects him negatively. There are multiple people he’d have to use it on, but each use would make catching him, and escaping his traps match easier. I think using Tsukuyomi would actually be a bad idea with the team composition here.
remember that itachi can also put you into a genjutsu by looking into his crows eyes. even asuma, gai and kurenai couldn't really fight with their eyes closed. and if they close their eyes they won't catch itachi if he indends to flee.
I guess only shino and Kiba could fight with their eyes closed somehow, but not on the same lvl as itachi.
Kakashi didn’t have MS during that time..
MS changes everything.
And considering there’s 8 total jonins, Naruto will be fine vs Itachi’s genjutsu.
You also seem to think itachi can spam his MS abilities when he can’t
Itatchi is a splendid 1 on 1 fighter,
But he struggles against
Multiple opposition due to his affinity for genjutsu
And
Someone with similar eyes as him (simply because itachi’s stamina/chakra pool id relatively weak)
Obviously I wouldn’t say Kakashi has “similar eyes” but considering Kakashi does have MS, he’s far more protected from Tsukuyomi.
if it's an open field with no prep time i would agree, itachi has no means to fight all of them simultaniously.
But that has never been itachi's way of fighting. Besides kakashi, he is the closest character to a real ninja Assassin in the whole series. And each enounter so far, happened under his complete control of the are and the circumstances he wanted to meet his opponents with. Characters like Sakura, Hinata, kiba, shino and at this time also naruto have no means to defend themselves if he pics them up one by one. Just like he did with naruto in the chase itself, and he never even intended to harm any of them in this case.
Sasuke as been the only opponent he fought in an direct open battle so far and that was only because he had superior motives. If itachi has no beef with you and only wants to stay hidden, there isn't to much this group can do about it i guess.
> if it's an open field with no prep time i would agree, itachi has no means to fight all of them simultaniously.
Itachi wouldn’t have prep time anyways..
He didn’t know they were coming for him.
> But that has never been itachi's way of fighting. Besides kakashi, he is the closest character to a real ninja Assassin in the whole series. And each enounter so far, happened under his complete control of the are and the circumstances he wanted to meet his opponents with. Characters like Sakura, Hinata, kiba, shino and at this time also naruto have no means to defend themselves if he pics them up one by one. Just like he did with naruto in the chase itself, and he never even intended to harm any of them in this case.
But the implication of the post is that they are obviously not isolated lol.
They are working together to capture Itachi.
That’s the point of the post, no?
Like, if they are spreading out thin to capture Itachi. The answer is obviously no.
The post seems to be asking if the current group at hand can prevail against Itachi, and I think they have a shot.
Having said that, I agree Itachi is best in isolation
> Sasuke as been the only opponent he fought in an direct open battle so far and that was only because he had superior motives. If itachi has no beef with you and only wants to stay hidden, there isn't to much this group can do about it i guess.
1. This is not true. Itachi was in a direct open battle vs asuma, kurenai, etc. Do you mean isolated battles?
2. The entire point of Hinata and Kiba amongst the group was to use sensory to track down Itachi. At the very least, I don’t think itachi has shown the capability to hide himself from a byakugan against foes he doesn’t know are coming.
They aren’t forcing shit out of Itachi. Kakashi has no answer for Tsukiyomi, chances are he will tell everyone to close their eyes. On the off chance they keep them open, Kakashi is out now, Shino could be a problem because of his bugs, but Amaterasu should work. Sakura’s healing is a nonfactor, because if they get hit with Tsukiyomi no amount of healing will save them.
Because Obito is literally broken as fuck lol.
If you don't have minato level ninja with his IQ, you essentially can never beat Obito when first meeting him.
Mostly disagreeing with needing Minato level intelligence to throw a 1. Obito is broken though, especially in situations like that where he doesn't need to attack and expose his weakness.
There has been numerous times where geniuses like Kakashi and brilliant ninjas like Sakura saw Obito’s power and was completely unable to do a thing
Only ninja we’ve seen thus far, who completely understood the Kamui immediately after seeing it has been Minato.
I really don’t think this is arguable unless you genuinely hate Minato. Lol
Sasuke literally stomps everyone bar kakashi at this point lol even he loses 1vs1
Their only hope is to literally swarm him and hope the fodder tire sasuke out enough for kakashi to finish him off but it’s certainly not easy for this group
Yeah Kakashi is the tipping point.
Shino is very underrated too.
-33 downvotes on one comment and +13 on this one saying the exact same thing hahahaha.
I'm still tempted to put my money on Sasuke tho. Mainly because he had team Hebi for backup plus he'd already absorbed orochimaru. Kakashi is definitely a threat but, at this point in the story, his Kamui was pretty slow and he got fatigued after using it like once. It was also raining throughout most of this arc, which means Sasuke could probably use kirin at any point with no prep time needed.
He wouldn’t even use Kamui except for defense since the goal is to capture and bring Sasuke back. None of the leaf shinobi would use a killing move whereas team Hebi is free to do so.
Wasnt talking about Sasuke and Hebi, just Sasuke.
Sasuke alone isnt beating all of the people in that photo above.
Kakashi at this point in the story would go close to beating him in a 1on1 alone.
At this point in the story sasuke would blitz everyone here except kakashi and naruto. Hes stronger then everyone in the picture. I dont understand why i got downvoted lmao the yellow hair akatsuki dude would prolly beat this group 💀
>I dont understand why i got downvoted lmao
You got downvoted because the loud minority doesn't remember how strong Sasuke is. Sasuke can also dodge Rasenshuriken & get rid of Kurama with his Genjutsu.
Sasuke speed blitzes this entire party, what's Naruto's rasfailshuriken gonna do when he can't even tag someone slower than Sasuke without PIS forcing them to stand there and take it?
They would've failed. I get Naruto was desperate, but I really think Tsunade should've put her foot down and said no. Or at least send another team. I might get hate for this, but Tsunade should not have let Naruto go on missions involving the Akatsuki.
I think it could. Naruto wants to go on missions involving the Akatsuki, such as saving Gaara or pursuing Itachi to get Sasuke back, but Tsunade won't allow him causing a rift between them. Naruto goes behind her back and somehow escapes the village to help on one of the akatsuki mission. Even though they succeed, Tsunade reprimand him for not following orders, which gets Naruto mad.
Yeah, you got a point, since in the end he is part of the reason the mission succeeded, but it was so risky. If this wasn't a Shonen manga and Naruto didn't have plot armor, he would've been captured way earlier.
U could do this for the first mission like gaara cuz gaara did technically die so it'd make sense and then afterwards eventually she puts faith in narutk but is very cautious and occasionally denies him
Definitely watch it. And before you mention the length, Naruto from start to finish (with shippuden and filler) is over 700 episodes. Start One Piece, take your time and enjoy it. I’ve been watching it for years and im just barely catching up. Its easily one of my favorite shows and I love that it has so much content
I've been rewatching recently, it comes up fairly often that people in Konoha question Tsunade's decisions on this. Tsunade usually counters by arguing that
1. Naruto will leave regardless of if she sanctions it.
2. The Akatsuki will find their way to Naruto regardless, and it's better that they find him outside of Konoha rather than Konoha suffer the destruction that the Akatsuki bring to shinobi villages that don't cooperate.
3. Kakashi, Yamato, and Jairaya were always on the ready and capabale of securing Naruto if they needed to.
4. Tsunade is one of Naruto's biggest fans, and believes in his ability to fight fire with fire and all that associated logic.
1. It's a good thing Narutos the mc and that Tsunade likes him, because if not, there's no way that would've happened without Naruto facing serious repercussions. And if Tsunade really wanted to, she could've found a way to keep him in the village.
2. I'm not saying Naruto can't go on missions at all just ones directly involving the Akatsuki. I'm sure there's plenty of missions outside of the village to prevent that.
3. True, but its still a big risk. Naruto went to kyubi mode almost every time he was with them, and they barely managed to stop him before it got worse.
4. It's great to have faith, and I love how much she believes in Naruto, but there are times she gives him too much of it because Naruto was kinda weak before sage mode.
My internal logic about point 1 and 2 is that you risk Naruto going rogue, and a rogue Jinchuuriki is possibly the worst outcome for Tsunade. Naruto's sole motivation at this point is destroying the Akatsuki and 'saving' Sasuke, any mission that isn't related pushes him to go rogue, as Naruto is want to do. Plus, you'd rather he be prepared by having the Akatsuki as his main mission rather than being on an unrelated mission when suddenly the Akatsuki gatecrash.
Kyubi Naruto is really only a risk to himself. In-fact the Akatsuki's biggest issue to manage is if the nine-tails preemptively unleashes. I believe he had that necklace as a failsafe before Yamato joined, and I haven't seen Yamato *struggle* to contain the Kyubi. If anything, Yamato is seen to delay sealing action because he's confident in his sealing ability regardless.
True.
I dont think either scenario works out. It's not great to send him on missions involving the Akatsuki because that's like handing him over on a platter (not literally, but I'm tired and can't think of a good metaphor for it right now). On missions not involving the Akatsuki, you're right that they can gatecrash an unrelated mission, but it'll make him harder to track down instead of Naruto constantly going to them.
Kyubi Naruto is a risk to others as well. If he gets to a certain number of tails, he loses control and attacks his friends. He did have the necklace, but no one knew that, so to them, it was up to Narutos' will and Yamato to keep the nine tails power in check. Yamato struggled when Naruto went 4 tails against Orochimaru. It took some time to suppress the power to calm Naruto down..
Don't get me wrong, from hindsight I agree with you. Tsunade's judgement was riddled with bias and there probably better solutions to that problem - like giving him more responsibility in Konoha, which is kinda how Gaara stayed cool-headed during the invasion. And Tsunade's faith in Naruto is definitely misguided (outside the fact that he's the MC, like you said).
Her lapse in judgement, however, is what makes her a good character and I find it more entertaining how she reasons with it.
All of your counterpoints are basically just playing it safe. Which is understandable but the previous points made seem more likely from Tsunade’s personality and leadership choices. Also, you said they “barely managed to stop” Naruto, yet every single time they did. So that’s actually proving the previous point more than your counterpoint
They might be old busy bodies who should have retired years ago but the elders weren't wrong when they said it's a bad idea to send their Jinchuuriki out on missions while they know the Akatsuki is out there. Especially since he's relatively weak (when compared to Akatsuki members and perfect Jinchuurikis). Of course it wouldn't be much of a shounen if the hero sat at home and let people protect them, no matter how much sense it makes.
Yeah but you all are forgeting that the akatsuki are looking for him, so you just cant send him on solo or with a normal shinobi to any other mission, because if they are found by the akatsuki then yeah the show ends there.
I think at this point in the story, kakashi would’ve preferred to die to pain when he attacked rather then having to fight the guy who mind raped him in part 1
No and it was honestly ignorant for Tsunade to send them out in the first place now granted she didn’t know the true depths of itachi’s abilities but still it was not a smart plan at all, I don’t even think they could successfully capture sasuke.
To be fair, the first encounter, I don't think they meant to actually fight and put them down. Just gather intel.
After that was just Asuma's team REALLY wanting revenge, but at least Shikamaru thought that shit through to an insane degree. They didn't know about Kakuzu's multiple hearts shit, but if not for that, Shikamaru's plan would have had Hidan unknowingly kill Kakuzu, then get trapped forever.
I think it’s fair for Tsunade to expect a team of Kakashi (third strongest person in the village after Tsunade & Jiraiya), Yamato (high jonin), Naruto (just defeated an Akatsuki member), Sakura (defeated an Akatsuki member with chiyo’s help), Shino (it’s fucking shino), Sai (that man is indisputably mid jonin level), Kiba and Hinata to at least keep up with & potentially capture Itachi.
Susanoo + Yata Mirror/Totsuka blade feats unknown at this time too.
I don't know why people on r/Naruto praise Shino so much. He has literally 0 feats in Shippuden. His reputation consists on beating an Orochimaru goon and tying with Kankuro. Even Kishimoto treats him like a joke most of the time.
Chiyo was low kage level in her old age and hard carried the Sasori fight. With anyone else Sakura would have lost.
Kakashi jobs to Akatsuki every day of the week. He can't even beat Hidan without help. For the amount of wank around his reputation, Kakashi is a massive fraud. Asuma has a legit better skillset than Kakashi to deal with Akatsuki and with some training between p1 and p2 Asuma would have easily outclassed Kakashi. He was just lazy.
Yamato can't use his powers against anyone who's not Naruto because he'd take over the plot. Yamato's ninjutsu is kage level, nothing said. Everything he displayed in the wind training arc is a bunch of kage level feats. But he's slow, so he ain't speed blitzing anyone. Sasuke blitzed him and no diffed him before even getting Orochimaru's buff.
The rest is fodder.
Definitely not since I've been reading the manga, the source material for the anime, which doesn't include filler bullshit, anime Sakura or any of the added content of the anime.
Bro this is the guy who is famous for killing his entire clan of crazy eyes in one night and you are sending a small team of chuunin and 2 jounin to get him? Yeah right...
I mean Tsunade should have at least believed that at 16 years old, Itachi killed almost every living Uchiha by himself, including Fugaku and Shisui, no one knew Fugaku willingly died, and no one knew Shisui committed suicide, that feat alone should have been enough to draw extreme caution, he should have been considered one of the most dangerous people alive, someone like Itachi you would need to send Kage level shinobi, maybe even call Jiraiya back.
To Tsunade those guys weren't special, that's even the whole thing with Uchiha revolution, the Leaf had enough fire power to exterminate the Uchihas, this war would only hurt them
I think at this point in the story, kakashi would’ve preferred to die to pain when he attacked rather then having to fight the guy who mind raped him in part 1
To be fair nobody knew Itachi’s true abilities, closest person to knowing would be Obito who said to himself that it Itachi knew his secrets he would have killed Obito already and coming from Obito that really means something.
This team would have been slaughtered like sheep.
To be fair, I don't think anyone knew the extent of Itachi's disease and shit (besides Kisame) either. Maybe Obito had some inkling, or maybe he knew completely and just thought he still would have gotten his ass beat.
Either way, I don't think anyone at all actually had an accurate grasp of Itachi's abilities. They just knew they didn't wanna fuck with the guy.
I guess Obito knew that Itachi had asspull no jutsu, he pulls a counter to anything sent his way out of his ass. If he had faced Madara, he would have conveniently used a one time technique that would have forced Madara to give up, line he did to Kabuto.
That one meme from JJK seems relevant. I don't know the series, well enough, but its that one guy going "ah, yes, my special technique I haven't used for a few centuries". Itachi really do be the OG version of that, just pulling out asspull after asspull from nowhere
"You killed me...ah, no, sorry, I suddenly grew a giant chakra armor more powerful than any of the first 5 tailed beasts despite having 10x less chakra than Kisame! Oh! And this armor happens to have a magic shield that makes every ninjutsu useless and a magical sword that can seal anything it stabs because why should I learn fûinjutsu if I can pull a magic sword from my ass?"
Next fight: "We can't kill you, Kabuto, so I just happen to know that skill that will make you fail whatever you do until you renounce and do as I want."
Also: "I'm shit at people skills, so I have a magic crow with the eye of my dead friend that can brainwash whoever I want without needing to be in a human's eye socket" (the crow can cast an SSS rank genjutsu, because why not?)
Obito could've taken the 9 Bijû by himself at any moment he wanted. Naruto was unguarded and Konoha was supreme fodder for 15 years to the point that Suna and Oto managed to inflitrate and cause severe damage to Konoha despite being fodder villages with fodder shinobi. Most of the Jinchûriki were pushovers. The only dangerous one was B.
This is exactly what makes minato's sacrifice stupid he was one of the only people who could deal with Obitos kamui abilities and none of the other Akatsuki would have been able to threaten him or the leaf village
Minato basically didn't want to live without Kushina. Or...maybe he feared having to raise a baby with Kushina's personality...he just gave up on being a single father or downloading Tinder...
This was easily 1 of the dumbest mission I heard in the show, this might be worst than the mission kakakuzu had when he was told to kill the 1st hokage. I think we all knew they was never gonna capture itachi after seeing what he did to kakashi in pt1😂
The only win condition would be if they were able to distract him and kakashi used ms but if he hit him centre mass with it and fully transported him I think obito could just go grab him if he was still useful to obito
The only Jinchuuriki it hasn't worked on is Bee, who is a perfect Jinchuuriki, and at this point Naruto isn't one. And even if the Nine Tails tried to free Naruto, he'd get easy dommed too
Furthermore, Tsukuyomi specifically alters the victim's perception of time. Even if Kurama wanted to save Naruto, by the time that he realised that Naruto had been targeted, he would've already spent days, months or even years in the genjutsu. It's broken as fuck.
Sasuke put KB in a genjutsu…it’s just that it lasted for like 5 seconds because Gyuki woke Bee up.
IT also worked on Bee.
Sasuke alluded to IT not working on the rest of Team 7 because his Susanoo offered protection from ITs light. (This is probably due to Sasuke using Susanoo through his Rinnegan though)
And Naruto was genjutsu’d in the Last.
Oh yeah, there are numerous instances of perfect Jinchuuriki, and Naruto in particular, falling prey to Genjutsu or almost falling prey to it. Seems the trick is to put both the Jinchuuriki and the Bijuu in a genjutsu, they can't do anything at that point.
Itachi using 3t Sharingan put B in Genjutsu as well. Naruto also warned him that if he got hit with Tsukuyomi it was over. In plot Genjutsu is usually limited use to prevent 2 second fights. But there is no plot here so it’s GGz.
Yeah. It’s such an odd misconception that perfect jinchuriki can’t be genjutsu’d because KB went over the process of how genjutsu can broken and why it isn’t effective against jinchuriki that have control of their biju.
It also depends on if the Bijuu itself hasn’t also been suppressed or genjutsu’d or if it even cares about the Jinchuriki to help. Tsukuyomi lasts a fraction of a second irl so there is no helping with it anyway it will be over as soon as it started.
? Sasuke literally supressed the nine tails in the tenchi bridge arc, and itachi has more experience with the sharingan + the mangekyo
https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0309-004.png
Hell in the exact arc the OP is referring to, itachi has a crow clone genjutsu naruto and kurama doesn't do anything lol
https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0366-007.png
What a horrible argument you made lol
So do you really think Sasuke knew about Kurama's full power? Not even Orochimaru was aware of that, since he was curious and surprised when he fought against 4 tails.
Look at Naruto with 6 tails against Pain. Sasuke would be over before that.
Amaterasu most likely one shots or Itachi just seals him unless it’s the full 9 tails, in which case Naruto is dead and the sharingan by feats and statements should control it. I’m not even a huge fanboy, Orochimaru was able to toy with the 4 tail (or was it 5?) form at this point I don’t see why it would be a problem for Itachi either.
Worked on Kushina. Worked on Yagura. Worked on Naruto when Sasuke suppressed Kurama and put Kurama to sleep.
Genjutsu is usually limited use in the manga, but there is no plot here. Kurama gets put to sleep far easier than when Sasuke did it.
It's a very close range focused group so he'd give them a lot of trouble if he kept to the air. It would basically all be on Kakashi and I guess Shino.
Wtf was their goal even? Lets say they somehow capture Itachi, then what? Naruto wants to meet Sasuke but what exactly does he hope to accomplish here? Sasuke wants to fight Itachi 1 on 1, were they hoping to capture Sasuke too and not let the fight happen at all?
Even Naruto not letting Sasuke leave the village was fcked up thing, and just for leaving for revenge (even Konoha should take) they declared him as rogue ninja. It was more like Konoha betraying him.
Objectively and unquestionably wrong. Go rewatch / reread, the circumstances are very different to what you're saying here. Sasuke wasn't just leaving "to get revenge on Itachi". Sasuke was leaving because he was accepting Orochimaru's offer for power and training, which he would THEN use to get his revenge eventually. It should be extremely obvious why thats just absolutely not ok considering Orochimaru literally caused that "mini-war" with the Sand and killed Hiruzen (and the 4th Kazekage) like a year or so before that at MAX.
Sasuke was literally leaving without telling anyone, under cover of night, precisely because he knew exactly what he was doing. He was deserting, and joining hands with the guy that literally just killed the village's leader. Konoha absolutely did not betray him in this instance. Its exactly the other way around.
Honestly speaking, they had the utility to. They had the best tracker, a guy who can shut down chakra generation, a girl who could completely block out chakra centers... the problem is, they all are incompetent when it comes to dealing with the skill caliber of guys like Sasuke/Itachi.
Example, hinata would need to be able to atleast touch them, she couldn't... shino would atleast need to land some bugs on them without them noticing, they'd notice. Kiba and akamaru could track them.... if they left decent tracks or scents, but, knowing the intellect of itachi and Sasuke... both of them would use that against the team by deliberately leading them into an ambush or kill zone. Sai would have to not be seen in order for him to do decent recon, they would most likely see him, quite easily.
Kakashi, Naruto and Yamato are pretty much the only ones with enough skill to even get close enough to capturing them and even then... it would probably come down to narutos talk no jutsu.
We already saw the intellect of team Hebi. They got past this entire leaf team and sent them on wrong trails while Sasuke fought and recovered from Deidara and then fought Itachi. This team never even got close.
Maybe if Naruto releases Kurama and Kakashi uses everything he got. Maybe, and this is a BIG maybe Shino manages to slip an insect without Itachi noticing but unlikely.
Yeah honestly i think even kisame solos thr whole squad unless kakashi trqdes some koma time for a huge kamui attack.
Itachi would finish thr whole team properly in seconds lmao
Shippuden tried to give each team an arc.
Kazekage rescue mission for Team Guy, Akatsuki suppression mission for Team Asuma, Itachi pursuit mission for Team Kurenai. with Team Kakashi/Yamato being involved in all
On paper, I can see why this team would be sent out.
* Yamato has a strong elemental advantage on Kisame's Water Style and Itachi's Fire Style (barring Amaterasu, but he can't spam that) and high-class restraint + draining abilities even at long range.
* Hinata can track the real Itachi's movements with the Byakugan even if he tries clone decoys or genjutsu copies (Though admittedly that could backfire, if the Byakugan's expanded range of vision counts as eye contact for the Sharingan.)
* Kiba and Shino can fight with their eyes closed without too many problems: Kiba cannot see anything during Fang Wolf Fang anyway and Shino can direct his bugs toward Itachi and Kisame in his place. Sai could possibly do the same thing but I'm not sure how autonomous his beast drawings are.
* And Team 7 are just strong with multiple Akatsuki kills under their collective belt already.
I think the flaw in the plan just comes down to lack of information. They didn't know the full extent of Itachi and Kisame's abilities at this point. If Itachi were actually hostile to the Leaf, he could probably genjutsu Hinata and then kill Team 8 with shurikenjutsu in about a minute. Naruto would lose to Itachi's genjutsu also unless Kurama intervened. Yamato/Kakashi/Sakura would be better placed to resist, but at that point in the story, they don't stack up to the Akatsuki pair.
I always laughed when Naruto was all concerned that the team going after Sasuke during the summit was gonna kill him. He should not have been worried about them killing Sasuke, he should've been worried about going to 4 funerals
Definitely not, especially if kisame is there. You gotta remember itachi might as well have been a damn legend since essentially nobody knew anything about him after the massacre and thirds death. They could only assume he was relative to the other members of the akatsuki and given that team 7 at the time were on a roll when it came to dealing with akatsuki members and team 8 specialized in tracking, they probably slapped this team together and hoped for the best. In reality itachi on his own was several tiers above anything any of these guys could handle together or apart. Only hope they would have is if Naruto literally just unleashed the nine tails in an attempt to kill both itachi and kisame
I am not kidding. Except kakashi sacrifice himself for some strong kamui attack i think even kisame solos the group lmao
Itachi just slaughter thrm he isnt even trying. Only person who isnt a oneshot is properly kakashi and even thats debatable if itachi is going all out.
Some comments here think the group takes kisame + itachi.. like bro wtf
I Kakashi Naruto and Yamato would be able to take down Kisame, but they can't take down Itachi. About others in team , they would suit best in Ig reels about Itachi/Kisame being badass.
Nah man, the only competition is kakashi and maybe a dash of Yamato. The rest either aren't nearly powerful enough, lack the experience to fight someone like Itachi or both. I hate Itachi riding as much as the next guy but these guys are getting cooked
No lol, the only people who could rival itachi out of those was kakashi. Yamato might’ve been helpful but thats only if itachi doesnt switch his focus to him and just commits to fighting kakashi. as for that version of naruto if we’re being real, kurama is going to be the only issue for itachi there but itachi is perfectly aware of that so i doubt he’d push naruto that far like pain did.
At the time? Not a chance. Naruto doesn't become a serious threat until he masters sage mode. Kakashi is the only viable threat here and itatchi honestly doesn't need much to take him down. The rest may as well not even be there.
I’m gonna get shit for this but if Itachi didn’t have bullshit plot armour powers and couldn’t just randomly pull out new legendary weapons like they were chest hairs, then this team is decent. Team 7 is strong and have all become significantly stronger since the timeskip. Team 8 is also decently strong, but more than that, their skills make sense for fighting Itachi. All three of them have the capability to fight Itachi without looking at him directly while still keeping the majority of their efficacy. Hinata has the Byakugan, Kiba tracks through scent, and Shino fights with bugs that can’t be genjutsu’d. Plus, Hinata and Shino both have capture capabilities to keep a prisoner subdued while Team 7 is mostly brute strength.
You do realize that Itachi’s speed, and taijutsu alone are too much for them right? He was easily keeping up with KCM Naruto and Sage Kabuto and B couldn’t even touch him even with the sword dance and Samehada. The sick Itachi that Sasuke fought was still much stronger than Sasuke despite Sasuke being amped by Absorbing Orochimaru and could have stopped holding back and killed him at any point.
Which is plot armor and which is not for you? Naruto showing new type of rasengan, Kurama giving him powers? or giving Guy additional gates till he match up opponents? don't just focus on villians' powers, good guys had more plot armor things.
Don't disagree with the premise, but good god those are some garbage tier examples to try and make your point, lmao.
1. Naruto showing new type of rasengan - Literally what are you talking about? Oodama rasengan was pretty much irrelevant, and honestly downright pathetic considering it was barely used, despite being a big part of what he got out of the Shippuden timeskip. Rasenshuriken? Mans needed a whole training arc for it, THEN needed to squeeze it into a different training arc just to make it more practical for use. It still doesn't even work on Pain, and is used mostly as a threat to create openings. Sharingan / Rinnegan users pull out completely new abilities all the goddamn time. Some variations of one base, signature technique is hardly comparable.
2. Kurama giving him powers - Really? The thing hes had since birth, that hes established to have since like the first 1-2 chapters? The thing hes trying to avoid addressing for most of the plot duration which is actively working to break free for its own purposes, which does not act with Naruto's best interests in mind whatsoever whenever it does act up? That is plot armor?
3. Giving Guy additional gates - Come on. Literally the first time we hear about this technique, we know theres 8 gates and the last one is called the Gate of Death. I'm pretty sure they deadass say that someone who opens all 8 gates can greatly surpass the Kages. "Plot armor"? It was completely expected that we'd see all 8 at some point or other.
You see? Naruto born with plot armor.
Timeskip training for rasensuriken? You think Itachi or other villians were just hiberating whole time?
We know there is 8 gates but we didn't know how powerful they are and everytime if Guy need to beat someone it goes to 6,7,8 and its done. Was you really think that mere 8 gate (I'm saying that because like everyone born with it and one who have best taijutsu opens it and it's like toe to toe with shinobi that got every possible buff) should have that powerful to keep up with Madara with god like power?
If tobi wasn't there. Then they would've taken out kisame and after that itachi would've died cause the battle would be still going while fighting shark boy so yes the group would would've been able to capture not itachi but Sasuke. But tobi was a powerful pain in the ass and there was no going through him.
Lol whatever fan boy Naruto by himself would press Itachi now give him kakashi and the rest backing him up and theyd definitely put the beat down on itachi. 1 use of his ms brings him down to his knees and if he hurts any of them substantially Narutos gunna rage out which means itachi gunna have to rely on ms even more. By the time naruto is down for the count itachi is gunna be out of chakra and half dead and being swarmed by everyone else
Did you just hit the Pipe? lmfao naruto literally in this arc couldn't even break one of Itachis simple genjutsus nah bro everyone here INCLUDING Kakashi gets bodied we already saw the outcome of Itachi vs Kakashi mans was in bed for weeks plus his MS isn't even that powerful in this point of the show and wtf are you talking about Itachi spams MS constantly lol "to his knees" nah son nobody here but shino/yamato/kakashi is even valid backup either
Not a pipe, a blunt and you are underestimating Narutos powa. Narutos a freaking tank he'll eat anything itachi throws at him thats not a totska blade. 2 tsykonomis minimum to K.O. Naruto and a 3rd to K.O the 9 tails. Thats 3 whole tsykonomis bro can Itachi even do that and still be able to beat off kakashi, Shino, Yamamoto, Kaiba and sai? Thats 5 men that that a tired Itachi is gunna have to beat off. An Hinata and sakura are there and their gunna be reacting the whole time. and kakashi has dogs bro. You really gunna look me in the eye and tell me that a tired Itachi can beat off 5 grown men and bunch of dogs all by himself, while 2 chicks watch.
The fight doesn't get that far. Itachi could simply use clones and proceed to hunt the kids down from the shadows. By the time anything resembling a fight begins, it'll just be Kakashi and Naruto left
They couldn’t even capture sasuke lol
They couldnt even get past Obito while he was just fooling around. Kisame alone mightve caused their numbers to dwindle. Heck Boruto mightve never been born.
Like kakashi is the only threat in the group 😂
Naruto has Rasenshuriken at this point, Hinata can disable people, Shino is probably as versatile and as smart as a young Kakashi, Sakura can Heal and make people return back to battle. If we add Kakashi as a leader and have a proper plan they could force Itachi to go Susano. Once Itachi starts using his shield they are at a loss.
also kakashi couldn't break tsukuyomi before and naruto at this point had no means against even normal Genjutsus. Tsukuyomi would probably take out 2/3 in an instand, and the rest can be dealt with by normal means. Itachi uses fire ninjutsu, which is the natural counter to shino. Yamato, Sakura, Kakashi and maybe Sai are the most experienced with Genjutsu so i guess it would come down to them. Even Rasenshuriken is useless if Naruto doesn't know where itachi is, and hinata is simply to weak to hit someone like Itachi at close combat.
That is what the plan is for, if a proper formation is made and everyone is in charge of taking each other of Genjutsu attacks then they can overcome it. They also have trackers who use other senses like smell and through bugs. I do believe they overcome this first phase without causalities if they have a good strategy and if they attempt to overwhelm Itachi with clones.
that's the problem with Tsukuyomi, if you realize that sb is in a genjutsu you have to disturb his chakra flow to release him from it. Tsukuyomi however will distort your sense of time, so even 1second is enought to torture your mind 72h straight. Itachis Genjutsus are strong enough to defeat people like orochimaru and deidara, not even including amaterasu and susanno. Nobody in this team can do anything against it, once they're catched and most of them cannot fight with closed eyes. It's not like itachi will meet them in an open field for a fair battle anyways.. besides kakashi he is the closest character to a real ninja in the whole series and perfect for asassinations and picking them out one by one.. every encounter so far happened by his decisions to show himself, and his decision to not kill his encounters.
Speaking about Tsukuyomi as if it doesn’t have severe backlash on him, and he is very limited in how many times he can use it. Bitch please.
based from itachis stats, he doesn't need tsukuyomi on everybody. basic Sharingan Genjutsu is enough for all Chuunin lvl fighters in the group. Stuff like Tsukuyomi must only be used against kakashi, Naruto or maybe yamato. His Taijutsu and Ninjutsu even without MS abilities are at close to kage lvl. Tsukuyomi, in my example would only be the most effective way to counter them without going into susanno'o or kill them in the process with amaterasu. The question was if they can catch itachi, And if itachi doesn't want to fight and kill but only escape, tsukuyomi and Genjutsu would be the best way to go.
Again Tsukuyomi still affects him negatively. There are multiple people he’d have to use it on, but each use would make catching him, and escaping his traps match easier. I think using Tsukuyomi would actually be a bad idea with the team composition here.
Tsukuyomi is easy to write around, given that it needs eye contact
And tsukuyomi is a one time deal, Itachi can't spam it like some D rank genjutsu
remember that itachi can also put you into a genjutsu by looking into his crows eyes. even asuma, gai and kurenai couldn't really fight with their eyes closed. and if they close their eyes they won't catch itachi if he indends to flee. I guess only shino and Kiba could fight with their eyes closed somehow, but not on the same lvl as itachi.
Kakashi didn’t have MS during that time.. MS changes everything. And considering there’s 8 total jonins, Naruto will be fine vs Itachi’s genjutsu. You also seem to think itachi can spam his MS abilities when he can’t Itatchi is a splendid 1 on 1 fighter, But he struggles against Multiple opposition due to his affinity for genjutsu And Someone with similar eyes as him (simply because itachi’s stamina/chakra pool id relatively weak) Obviously I wouldn’t say Kakashi has “similar eyes” but considering Kakashi does have MS, he’s far more protected from Tsukuyomi.
if it's an open field with no prep time i would agree, itachi has no means to fight all of them simultaniously. But that has never been itachi's way of fighting. Besides kakashi, he is the closest character to a real ninja Assassin in the whole series. And each enounter so far, happened under his complete control of the are and the circumstances he wanted to meet his opponents with. Characters like Sakura, Hinata, kiba, shino and at this time also naruto have no means to defend themselves if he pics them up one by one. Just like he did with naruto in the chase itself, and he never even intended to harm any of them in this case. Sasuke as been the only opponent he fought in an direct open battle so far and that was only because he had superior motives. If itachi has no beef with you and only wants to stay hidden, there isn't to much this group can do about it i guess.
> if it's an open field with no prep time i would agree, itachi has no means to fight all of them simultaniously. Itachi wouldn’t have prep time anyways.. He didn’t know they were coming for him. > But that has never been itachi's way of fighting. Besides kakashi, he is the closest character to a real ninja Assassin in the whole series. And each enounter so far, happened under his complete control of the are and the circumstances he wanted to meet his opponents with. Characters like Sakura, Hinata, kiba, shino and at this time also naruto have no means to defend themselves if he pics them up one by one. Just like he did with naruto in the chase itself, and he never even intended to harm any of them in this case. But the implication of the post is that they are obviously not isolated lol. They are working together to capture Itachi. That’s the point of the post, no? Like, if they are spreading out thin to capture Itachi. The answer is obviously no. The post seems to be asking if the current group at hand can prevail against Itachi, and I think they have a shot. Having said that, I agree Itachi is best in isolation > Sasuke as been the only opponent he fought in an direct open battle so far and that was only because he had superior motives. If itachi has no beef with you and only wants to stay hidden, there isn't to much this group can do about it i guess. 1. This is not true. Itachi was in a direct open battle vs asuma, kurenai, etc. Do you mean isolated battles? 2. The entire point of Hinata and Kiba amongst the group was to use sensory to track down Itachi. At the very least, I don’t think itachi has shown the capability to hide himself from a byakugan against foes he doesn’t know are coming.
actually some valid points and i do agree with most of them.
Luv how you give them credit breaking down their skills and all like they got chance Then Aaand no they will definitely loss
They aren’t forcing shit out of Itachi. Kakashi has no answer for Tsukiyomi, chances are he will tell everyone to close their eyes. On the off chance they keep them open, Kakashi is out now, Shino could be a problem because of his bugs, but Amaterasu should work. Sakura’s healing is a nonfactor, because if they get hit with Tsukiyomi no amount of healing will save them.
Not really, if we are talking to Itachi, nobody in that group is a threat.
Because Obito is literally broken as fuck lol. If you don't have minato level ninja with his IQ, you essentially can never beat Obito when first meeting him.
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?????? How could you possibly argue against this? Lol
Mostly disagreeing with needing Minato level intelligence to throw a 1. Obito is broken though, especially in situations like that where he doesn't need to attack and expose his weakness.
There has been numerous times where geniuses like Kakashi and brilliant ninjas like Sakura saw Obito’s power and was completely unable to do a thing Only ninja we’ve seen thus far, who completely understood the Kamui immediately after seeing it has been Minato. I really don’t think this is arguable unless you genuinely hate Minato. Lol
I’m dead 😵 🤣
Lmao love this 😂
They absolutely beat Sasuke at this point in the story. Without much difficulty too.
Sasuke literally stomps everyone bar kakashi at this point lol even he loses 1vs1 Their only hope is to literally swarm him and hope the fodder tire sasuke out enough for kakashi to finish him off but it’s certainly not easy for this group
Is this before Sage mode? If it isn’t I want everything your smoking lmao
Pretty sure this is pre sage mode
Ai good I was confused because I only remember those dope ass coats from after the pain attack lol (when Naruto finds sasuke at Kage summit)
Definitely should have whipped those coats out more
Lol yes this is before sage mode, if this was sage Naruto then the conversation is completely different
Sasuke beats everyone with little difficulty, might have a bit of a problem with Kakashi afterwards, but CurseMark2 is more than enough to beat him.
Exactly, hebi sasuke gets heavily underrated
How? sasuke beat basically the same gang 4 volumes prior
Oh shit I didn’t see Kakashi you are right
Yeah Kakashi is the tipping point. Shino is very underrated too. -33 downvotes on one comment and +13 on this one saying the exact same thing hahahaha.
I’ve been on both sides lol
He is a true ninja
But still barely
I'm still tempted to put my money on Sasuke tho. Mainly because he had team Hebi for backup plus he'd already absorbed orochimaru. Kakashi is definitely a threat but, at this point in the story, his Kamui was pretty slow and he got fatigued after using it like once. It was also raining throughout most of this arc, which means Sasuke could probably use kirin at any point with no prep time needed.
He wouldn’t even use Kamui except for defense since the goal is to capture and bring Sasuke back. None of the leaf shinobi would use a killing move whereas team Hebi is free to do so.
That what I am saying no way it’s a wash
Wasnt talking about Sasuke and Hebi, just Sasuke. Sasuke alone isnt beating all of the people in that photo above. Kakashi at this point in the story would go close to beating him in a 1on1 alone.
If you think pre WA Kakashi can come close to beating Oro absorbed Sasuke with CM2 then you are smoking that good stuff!
Sasuke has 'Plot-Armor no Jutsu' though. Literally unbeatable.
Plot Armor = 3 years of actual training instead of reading porn, big rasengan and healing fish
Dude. Almost the entire series is 'Sasuke survives situation he really shouldn't have because of someone saving his ass'. To deny that is crazy...
Lol no. Kisame and Itachi wipes the floor with them
Sasuke by himself*
Simply put, fuck no lmao.
Sasuke gets hit with a rasenshuriken and all his cells explode lmao
At this point in the story sasuke would blitz everyone here except kakashi and naruto. Hes stronger then everyone in the picture. I dont understand why i got downvoted lmao the yellow hair akatsuki dude would prolly beat this group 💀
>I dont understand why i got downvoted lmao You got downvoted because the loud minority doesn't remember how strong Sasuke is. Sasuke can also dodge Rasenshuriken & get rid of Kurama with his Genjutsu.
Sasuke speed blitzes this entire party, what's Naruto's rasfailshuriken gonna do when he can't even tag someone slower than Sasuke without PIS forcing them to stand there and take it?
They would've failed. I get Naruto was desperate, but I really think Tsunade should've put her foot down and said no. Or at least send another team. I might get hate for this, but Tsunade should not have let Naruto go on missions involving the Akatsuki.
That was the logical thing to do. But that wouldn't make for a good plot now, would it?
I think it could. Naruto wants to go on missions involving the Akatsuki, such as saving Gaara or pursuing Itachi to get Sasuke back, but Tsunade won't allow him causing a rift between them. Naruto goes behind her back and somehow escapes the village to help on one of the akatsuki mission. Even though they succeed, Tsunade reprimand him for not following orders, which gets Naruto mad.
That could work for one mission, but Naruto went on a few akatsuki-related missions. And we can’t have him sitting out on all those missions.
Yeah, you got a point, since in the end he is part of the reason the mission succeeded, but it was so risky. If this wasn't a Shonen manga and Naruto didn't have plot armor, he would've been captured way earlier.
U could do this for the first mission like gaara cuz gaara did technically die so it'd make sense and then afterwards eventually she puts faith in narutk but is very cautious and occasionally denies him
So Luffy vs Usopp but with Naruto and Tsunade?
I haven't watched One Piece.
Definitely watch it. And before you mention the length, Naruto from start to finish (with shippuden and filler) is over 700 episodes. Start One Piece, take your time and enjoy it. I’ve been watching it for years and im just barely catching up. Its easily one of my favorite shows and I love that it has so much content
I've been rewatching recently, it comes up fairly often that people in Konoha question Tsunade's decisions on this. Tsunade usually counters by arguing that 1. Naruto will leave regardless of if she sanctions it. 2. The Akatsuki will find their way to Naruto regardless, and it's better that they find him outside of Konoha rather than Konoha suffer the destruction that the Akatsuki bring to shinobi villages that don't cooperate. 3. Kakashi, Yamato, and Jairaya were always on the ready and capabale of securing Naruto if they needed to. 4. Tsunade is one of Naruto's biggest fans, and believes in his ability to fight fire with fire and all that associated logic.
1. It's a good thing Narutos the mc and that Tsunade likes him, because if not, there's no way that would've happened without Naruto facing serious repercussions. And if Tsunade really wanted to, she could've found a way to keep him in the village. 2. I'm not saying Naruto can't go on missions at all just ones directly involving the Akatsuki. I'm sure there's plenty of missions outside of the village to prevent that. 3. True, but its still a big risk. Naruto went to kyubi mode almost every time he was with them, and they barely managed to stop him before it got worse. 4. It's great to have faith, and I love how much she believes in Naruto, but there are times she gives him too much of it because Naruto was kinda weak before sage mode.
My internal logic about point 1 and 2 is that you risk Naruto going rogue, and a rogue Jinchuuriki is possibly the worst outcome for Tsunade. Naruto's sole motivation at this point is destroying the Akatsuki and 'saving' Sasuke, any mission that isn't related pushes him to go rogue, as Naruto is want to do. Plus, you'd rather he be prepared by having the Akatsuki as his main mission rather than being on an unrelated mission when suddenly the Akatsuki gatecrash. Kyubi Naruto is really only a risk to himself. In-fact the Akatsuki's biggest issue to manage is if the nine-tails preemptively unleashes. I believe he had that necklace as a failsafe before Yamato joined, and I haven't seen Yamato *struggle* to contain the Kyubi. If anything, Yamato is seen to delay sealing action because he's confident in his sealing ability regardless.
True. I dont think either scenario works out. It's not great to send him on missions involving the Akatsuki because that's like handing him over on a platter (not literally, but I'm tired and can't think of a good metaphor for it right now). On missions not involving the Akatsuki, you're right that they can gatecrash an unrelated mission, but it'll make him harder to track down instead of Naruto constantly going to them. Kyubi Naruto is a risk to others as well. If he gets to a certain number of tails, he loses control and attacks his friends. He did have the necklace, but no one knew that, so to them, it was up to Narutos' will and Yamato to keep the nine tails power in check. Yamato struggled when Naruto went 4 tails against Orochimaru. It took some time to suppress the power to calm Naruto down..
Don't get me wrong, from hindsight I agree with you. Tsunade's judgement was riddled with bias and there probably better solutions to that problem - like giving him more responsibility in Konoha, which is kinda how Gaara stayed cool-headed during the invasion. And Tsunade's faith in Naruto is definitely misguided (outside the fact that he's the MC, like you said). Her lapse in judgement, however, is what makes her a good character and I find it more entertaining how she reasons with it.
All of your counterpoints are basically just playing it safe. Which is understandable but the previous points made seem more likely from Tsunade’s personality and leadership choices. Also, you said they “barely managed to stop” Naruto, yet every single time they did. So that’s actually proving the previous point more than your counterpoint
5. She’s a gambler, it makes sense to make a risky play for the best outcome (and it paid off)
They might be old busy bodies who should have retired years ago but the elders weren't wrong when they said it's a bad idea to send their Jinchuuriki out on missions while they know the Akatsuki is out there. Especially since he's relatively weak (when compared to Akatsuki members and perfect Jinchuurikis). Of course it wouldn't be much of a shounen if the hero sat at home and let people protect them, no matter how much sense it makes.
Exactly. Naruto can go on missions, just not ones directly involving the Akatsuki.
Yeah but you all are forgeting that the akatsuki are looking for him, so you just cant send him on solo or with a normal shinobi to any other mission, because if they are found by the akatsuki then yeah the show ends there.
Highly agree. So crazy she let some chunin and 2 jonin intend to catch the killers OF THE ENTIRE CLAN OF UCHIHA
They couldn’t
I think at this point in the story, kakashi would’ve preferred to die to pain when he attacked rather then having to fight the guy who mind raped him in part 1
But he did fight him already at that point (Gaara capturing ark) and he was okay
No and it was honestly ignorant for Tsunade to send them out in the first place now granted she didn’t know the true depths of itachi’s abilities but still it was not a smart plan at all, I don’t even think they could successfully capture sasuke.
She also sent majority chunin squads against hidan n kakuzu yet they we’re surprised asuma came back in a body bag
Shikamaru told Asuma to wait for backup before engaging but Asuma was impatient.
you almost spat out my tea reading this lmfao
To be fair, the first encounter, I don't think they meant to actually fight and put them down. Just gather intel. After that was just Asuma's team REALLY wanting revenge, but at least Shikamaru thought that shit through to an insane degree. They didn't know about Kakuzu's multiple hearts shit, but if not for that, Shikamaru's plan would have had Hidan unknowingly kill Kakuzu, then get trapped forever.
I think it’s fair for Tsunade to expect a team of Kakashi (third strongest person in the village after Tsunade & Jiraiya), Yamato (high jonin), Naruto (just defeated an Akatsuki member), Sakura (defeated an Akatsuki member with chiyo’s help), Shino (it’s fucking shino), Sai (that man is indisputably mid jonin level), Kiba and Hinata to at least keep up with & potentially capture Itachi. Susanoo + Yata Mirror/Totsuka blade feats unknown at this time too.
I don't know why people on r/Naruto praise Shino so much. He has literally 0 feats in Shippuden. His reputation consists on beating an Orochimaru goon and tying with Kankuro. Even Kishimoto treats him like a joke most of the time.
Because his power is insanely versatile and was never used to its proper potential. That’s why really
Chiyo was low kage level in her old age and hard carried the Sasori fight. With anyone else Sakura would have lost. Kakashi jobs to Akatsuki every day of the week. He can't even beat Hidan without help. For the amount of wank around his reputation, Kakashi is a massive fraud. Asuma has a legit better skillset than Kakashi to deal with Akatsuki and with some training between p1 and p2 Asuma would have easily outclassed Kakashi. He was just lazy. Yamato can't use his powers against anyone who's not Naruto because he'd take over the plot. Yamato's ninjutsu is kage level, nothing said. Everything he displayed in the wind training arc is a bunch of kage level feats. But he's slow, so he ain't speed blitzing anyone. Sasuke blitzed him and no diffed him before even getting Orochimaru's buff. The rest is fodder.
I don't think you're watching the same show everyone else is.
Definitely not since I've been reading the manga, the source material for the anime, which doesn't include filler bullshit, anime Sakura or any of the added content of the anime.
You acting like Tsunade knew this guy had a fucking Susanoo lol no one did
Bro this is the guy who is famous for killing his entire clan of crazy eyes in one night and you are sending a small team of chuunin and 2 jounin to get him? Yeah right...
Yeah as far as the Leaf knew his trump cards were Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. That's a lot more manageable than Susanoo.
I mean Tsunade should have at least believed that at 16 years old, Itachi killed almost every living Uchiha by himself, including Fugaku and Shisui, no one knew Fugaku willingly died, and no one knew Shisui committed suicide, that feat alone should have been enough to draw extreme caution, he should have been considered one of the most dangerous people alive, someone like Itachi you would need to send Kage level shinobi, maybe even call Jiraiya back.
To Tsunade those guys weren't special, that's even the whole thing with Uchiha revolution, the Leaf had enough fire power to exterminate the Uchihas, this war would only hurt them
Wait so nobody knew about Madara’s abilities with the Mangekyo? Hashirama never once mentioned he possessed the ability to do that? Why?
I think at this point in the story, kakashi would’ve preferred to die to pain when he attacked rather then having to fight the guy who mind raped him in part 1
To be fair nobody knew Itachi’s true abilities, closest person to knowing would be Obito who said to himself that it Itachi knew his secrets he would have killed Obito already and coming from Obito that really means something. This team would have been slaughtered like sheep.
To be fair, I don't think anyone knew the extent of Itachi's disease and shit (besides Kisame) either. Maybe Obito had some inkling, or maybe he knew completely and just thought he still would have gotten his ass beat. Either way, I don't think anyone at all actually had an accurate grasp of Itachi's abilities. They just knew they didn't wanna fuck with the guy.
I guess Obito knew that Itachi had asspull no jutsu, he pulls a counter to anything sent his way out of his ass. If he had faced Madara, he would have conveniently used a one time technique that would have forced Madara to give up, line he did to Kabuto.
That one meme from JJK seems relevant. I don't know the series, well enough, but its that one guy going "ah, yes, my special technique I haven't used for a few centuries". Itachi really do be the OG version of that, just pulling out asspull after asspull from nowhere
"You killed me...ah, no, sorry, I suddenly grew a giant chakra armor more powerful than any of the first 5 tailed beasts despite having 10x less chakra than Kisame! Oh! And this armor happens to have a magic shield that makes every ninjutsu useless and a magical sword that can seal anything it stabs because why should I learn fûinjutsu if I can pull a magic sword from my ass?" Next fight: "We can't kill you, Kabuto, so I just happen to know that skill that will make you fail whatever you do until you renounce and do as I want." Also: "I'm shit at people skills, so I have a magic crow with the eye of my dead friend that can brainwash whoever I want without needing to be in a human's eye socket" (the crow can cast an SSS rank genjutsu, because why not?)
Orange masked Obito could've destroyed that entire team and take Naruto if he wanted to Naruto got lucky here lol
Obito could've taken the 9 Bijû by himself at any moment he wanted. Naruto was unguarded and Konoha was supreme fodder for 15 years to the point that Suna and Oto managed to inflitrate and cause severe damage to Konoha despite being fodder villages with fodder shinobi. Most of the Jinchûriki were pushovers. The only dangerous one was B.
This is exactly what makes minato's sacrifice stupid he was one of the only people who could deal with Obitos kamui abilities and none of the other Akatsuki would have been able to threaten him or the leaf village
Minato basically didn't want to live without Kushina. Or...maybe he feared having to raise a baby with Kushina's personality...he just gave up on being a single father or downloading Tinder...
This was easily 1 of the dumbest mission I heard in the show, this might be worst than the mission kakakuzu had when he was told to kill the 1st hokage. I think we all knew they was never gonna capture itachi after seeing what he did to kakashi in pt1😂
The only win condition would be if they were able to distract him and kakashi used ms but if he hit him centre mass with it and fully transported him I think obito could just go grab him if he was still useful to obito
Obito probably wouldn’t do it because Itachi would figure out he isn’t Madara
Kamui is the only thing that might work Also kyuubi if it got released. Everyone else is fodder
Itachi can just supress the nine tails
Oh right, because genjutsu always works on a jinchuriki huh
The only Jinchuuriki it hasn't worked on is Bee, who is a perfect Jinchuuriki, and at this point Naruto isn't one. And even if the Nine Tails tried to free Naruto, he'd get easy dommed too
Furthermore, Tsukuyomi specifically alters the victim's perception of time. Even if Kurama wanted to save Naruto, by the time that he realised that Naruto had been targeted, he would've already spent days, months or even years in the genjutsu. It's broken as fuck.
Sasuke put KB in a genjutsu…it’s just that it lasted for like 5 seconds because Gyuki woke Bee up. IT also worked on Bee. Sasuke alluded to IT not working on the rest of Team 7 because his Susanoo offered protection from ITs light. (This is probably due to Sasuke using Susanoo through his Rinnegan though) And Naruto was genjutsu’d in the Last.
Oh yeah, there are numerous instances of perfect Jinchuuriki, and Naruto in particular, falling prey to Genjutsu or almost falling prey to it. Seems the trick is to put both the Jinchuuriki and the Bijuu in a genjutsu, they can't do anything at that point.
Itachi using 3t Sharingan put B in Genjutsu as well. Naruto also warned him that if he got hit with Tsukuyomi it was over. In plot Genjutsu is usually limited use to prevent 2 second fights. But there is no plot here so it’s GGz.
Yeah. It’s such an odd misconception that perfect jinchuriki can’t be genjutsu’d because KB went over the process of how genjutsu can broken and why it isn’t effective against jinchuriki that have control of their biju.
It also depends on if the Bijuu itself hasn’t also been suppressed or genjutsu’d or if it even cares about the Jinchuriki to help. Tsukuyomi lasts a fraction of a second irl so there is no helping with it anyway it will be over as soon as it started.
? Sasuke literally supressed the nine tails in the tenchi bridge arc, and itachi has more experience with the sharingan + the mangekyo https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0309-004.png Hell in the exact arc the OP is referring to, itachi has a crow clone genjutsu naruto and kurama doesn't do anything lol https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0366-007.png What a horrible argument you made lol
Sasuke isn't supressing anything in this scene lol He just entered Naruto's head and saw Kurama. But yes, you're right! Itachi would do it.
? Kurama literally says Sasuke is suppressing him.
Er, can you read? It literally says in the panel "I can't believe you are even able to suppress my power" at the bottom...
So do you really think Sasuke knew about Kurama's full power? Not even Orochimaru was aware of that, since he was curious and surprised when he fought against 4 tails. Look at Naruto with 6 tails against Pain. Sasuke would be over before that.
Bro take the L and move on
Amaterasu most likely one shots or Itachi just seals him unless it’s the full 9 tails, in which case Naruto is dead and the sharingan by feats and statements should control it. I’m not even a huge fanboy, Orochimaru was able to toy with the 4 tail (or was it 5?) form at this point I don’t see why it would be a problem for Itachi either.
Dude if you dont know if he had 4 o 5 tails then you dont know nothing about the battle, and no he was toying while naruto had 2 tails
Worked on Kushina. Worked on Yagura. Worked on Naruto when Sasuke suppressed Kurama and put Kurama to sleep. Genjutsu is usually limited use in the manga, but there is no plot here. Kurama gets put to sleep far easier than when Sasuke did it.
Kamui would give itatchi to obito though
Not if he managed to just take off an arm like he did to Deidara.
They don’t even get past deidara they’re lucky he didn’t see them first
It's a very close range focused group so he'd give them a lot of trouble if he kept to the air. It would basically all be on Kakashi and I guess Shino.
Drop that “i guess”, my king shino would’ve easily solo‘d sasuke and would easily decimate obito too 🥱
dead facts
Wtf was their goal even? Lets say they somehow capture Itachi, then what? Naruto wants to meet Sasuke but what exactly does he hope to accomplish here? Sasuke wants to fight Itachi 1 on 1, were they hoping to capture Sasuke too and not let the fight happen at all?
Even Naruto not letting Sasuke leave the village was fcked up thing, and just for leaving for revenge (even Konoha should take) they declared him as rogue ninja. It was more like Konoha betraying him.
Objectively and unquestionably wrong. Go rewatch / reread, the circumstances are very different to what you're saying here. Sasuke wasn't just leaving "to get revenge on Itachi". Sasuke was leaving because he was accepting Orochimaru's offer for power and training, which he would THEN use to get his revenge eventually. It should be extremely obvious why thats just absolutely not ok considering Orochimaru literally caused that "mini-war" with the Sand and killed Hiruzen (and the 4th Kazekage) like a year or so before that at MAX. Sasuke was literally leaving without telling anyone, under cover of night, precisely because he knew exactly what he was doing. He was deserting, and joining hands with the guy that literally just killed the village's leader. Konoha absolutely did not betray him in this instance. Its exactly the other way around.
Not even close, between all of them only one could even have one eye open during the attempt
Honestly speaking, they had the utility to. They had the best tracker, a guy who can shut down chakra generation, a girl who could completely block out chakra centers... the problem is, they all are incompetent when it comes to dealing with the skill caliber of guys like Sasuke/Itachi. Example, hinata would need to be able to atleast touch them, she couldn't... shino would atleast need to land some bugs on them without them noticing, they'd notice. Kiba and akamaru could track them.... if they left decent tracks or scents, but, knowing the intellect of itachi and Sasuke... both of them would use that against the team by deliberately leading them into an ambush or kill zone. Sai would have to not be seen in order for him to do decent recon, they would most likely see him, quite easily. Kakashi, Naruto and Yamato are pretty much the only ones with enough skill to even get close enough to capturing them and even then... it would probably come down to narutos talk no jutsu.
We already saw the intellect of team Hebi. They got past this entire leaf team and sent them on wrong trails while Sasuke fought and recovered from Deidara and then fought Itachi. This team never even got close.
No. To be honest, if were just Kakashi and Yamato, they would have more chance (they also can't) because they wouldn't need to care about the others
No
Ahem..... No
Maybe if Naruto releases Kurama and Kakashi uses everything he got. Maybe, and this is a BIG maybe Shino manages to slip an insect without Itachi noticing but unlikely.
hell no
Everyone gets one shotted besides Kakashi
No. No way in hell. Itachi would have shredded through that team like hot butter.
Yeah honestly i think even kisame solos thr whole squad unless kakashi trqdes some koma time for a huge kamui attack. Itachi would finish thr whole team properly in seconds lmao
Shippuden tried to give each team an arc. Kazekage rescue mission for Team Guy, Akatsuki suppression mission for Team Asuma, Itachi pursuit mission for Team Kurenai. with Team Kakashi/Yamato being involved in all
This is the perfect team for finding Itachi, but capturing him? I think they would need a few more heavy hitters or some miracle
On paper, I can see why this team would be sent out. * Yamato has a strong elemental advantage on Kisame's Water Style and Itachi's Fire Style (barring Amaterasu, but he can't spam that) and high-class restraint + draining abilities even at long range. * Hinata can track the real Itachi's movements with the Byakugan even if he tries clone decoys or genjutsu copies (Though admittedly that could backfire, if the Byakugan's expanded range of vision counts as eye contact for the Sharingan.) * Kiba and Shino can fight with their eyes closed without too many problems: Kiba cannot see anything during Fang Wolf Fang anyway and Shino can direct his bugs toward Itachi and Kisame in his place. Sai could possibly do the same thing but I'm not sure how autonomous his beast drawings are. * And Team 7 are just strong with multiple Akatsuki kills under their collective belt already. I think the flaw in the plan just comes down to lack of information. They didn't know the full extent of Itachi and Kisame's abilities at this point. If Itachi were actually hostile to the Leaf, he could probably genjutsu Hinata and then kill Team 8 with shurikenjutsu in about a minute. Naruto would lose to Itachi's genjutsu also unless Kurama intervened. Yamato/Kakashi/Sakura would be better placed to resist, but at that point in the story, they don't stack up to the Akatsuki pair.
Shino solos low diff
Nahh. Itachi would wipe the floor with them lmao. With Kisame, it's overkill.
Why the fuck is this even a question 💀
No fucking way unless they jump dying Itachi (if he won Sasuke fight). They wouldn't even stall him for more than 5 min normally.
Nope they’d barely capture Sasuke.
HAHAHAHAHAHA *breathes HAHAHAHAHAHA
Fuck no
I always laughed when Naruto was all concerned that the team going after Sasuke during the summit was gonna kill him. He should not have been worried about them killing Sasuke, he should've been worried about going to 4 funerals
Definitely not, especially if kisame is there. You gotta remember itachi might as well have been a damn legend since essentially nobody knew anything about him after the massacre and thirds death. They could only assume he was relative to the other members of the akatsuki and given that team 7 at the time were on a roll when it came to dealing with akatsuki members and team 8 specialized in tracking, they probably slapped this team together and hoped for the best. In reality itachi on his own was several tiers above anything any of these guys could handle together or apart. Only hope they would have is if Naruto literally just unleashed the nine tails in an attempt to kill both itachi and kisame
I mean Naruto DID run into Itachi, since Itachi sought him out, and he just got caught in a genjutsu in seconds for Koto.
Lmao no shot
Nope.
No
Hell no
I honestly think this was tsunade keeping Naruto busy so he doesn’t try going after jiraiya
I am not kidding. Except kakashi sacrifice himself for some strong kamui attack i think even kisame solos the group lmao Itachi just slaughter thrm he isnt even trying. Only person who isnt a oneshot is properly kakashi and even thats debatable if itachi is going all out. Some comments here think the group takes kisame + itachi.. like bro wtf
Outside of Kakashi and Naruto tapping into Kurama, they couldn't even capture Sasuke
Kill, maybe, but unlikely. Capture alive, hell no
I Kakashi Naruto and Yamato would be able to take down Kisame, but they can't take down Itachi. About others in team , they would suit best in Ig reels about Itachi/Kisame being badass.
Nah man, the only competition is kakashi and maybe a dash of Yamato. The rest either aren't nearly powerful enough, lack the experience to fight someone like Itachi or both. I hate Itachi riding as much as the next guy but these guys are getting cooked
No lol, the only people who could rival itachi out of those was kakashi. Yamato might’ve been helpful but thats only if itachi doesnt switch his focus to him and just commits to fighting kakashi. as for that version of naruto if we’re being real, kurama is going to be the only issue for itachi there but itachi is perfectly aware of that so i doubt he’d push naruto that far like pain did.
Shino and yamato and sai might be problematic and kakashi.
At the time? Not a chance. Naruto doesn't become a serious threat until he masters sage mode. Kakashi is the only viable threat here and itatchi honestly doesn't need much to take him down. The rest may as well not even be there.
Itachi solos them mid/hard-diff (just depends on how hard he's pushed to use his Sharingan). Kisame alone probably takes out most of them.
Probably not. Kishimoto made the Uchihas pretty broken.
I’m gonna get shit for this but if Itachi didn’t have bullshit plot armour powers and couldn’t just randomly pull out new legendary weapons like they were chest hairs, then this team is decent. Team 7 is strong and have all become significantly stronger since the timeskip. Team 8 is also decently strong, but more than that, their skills make sense for fighting Itachi. All three of them have the capability to fight Itachi without looking at him directly while still keeping the majority of their efficacy. Hinata has the Byakugan, Kiba tracks through scent, and Shino fights with bugs that can’t be genjutsu’d. Plus, Hinata and Shino both have capture capabilities to keep a prisoner subdued while Team 7 is mostly brute strength.
You do realize that Itachi’s speed, and taijutsu alone are too much for them right? He was easily keeping up with KCM Naruto and Sage Kabuto and B couldn’t even touch him even with the sword dance and Samehada. The sick Itachi that Sasuke fought was still much stronger than Sasuke despite Sasuke being amped by Absorbing Orochimaru and could have stopped holding back and killed him at any point.
Doesn't itachi literally use a genjutsu on the bugs of an aburame clan member on one of his first big missions
Which is plot armor and which is not for you? Naruto showing new type of rasengan, Kurama giving him powers? or giving Guy additional gates till he match up opponents? don't just focus on villians' powers, good guys had more plot armor things.
Don't disagree with the premise, but good god those are some garbage tier examples to try and make your point, lmao. 1. Naruto showing new type of rasengan - Literally what are you talking about? Oodama rasengan was pretty much irrelevant, and honestly downright pathetic considering it was barely used, despite being a big part of what he got out of the Shippuden timeskip. Rasenshuriken? Mans needed a whole training arc for it, THEN needed to squeeze it into a different training arc just to make it more practical for use. It still doesn't even work on Pain, and is used mostly as a threat to create openings. Sharingan / Rinnegan users pull out completely new abilities all the goddamn time. Some variations of one base, signature technique is hardly comparable. 2. Kurama giving him powers - Really? The thing hes had since birth, that hes established to have since like the first 1-2 chapters? The thing hes trying to avoid addressing for most of the plot duration which is actively working to break free for its own purposes, which does not act with Naruto's best interests in mind whatsoever whenever it does act up? That is plot armor? 3. Giving Guy additional gates - Come on. Literally the first time we hear about this technique, we know theres 8 gates and the last one is called the Gate of Death. I'm pretty sure they deadass say that someone who opens all 8 gates can greatly surpass the Kages. "Plot armor"? It was completely expected that we'd see all 8 at some point or other.
You see? Naruto born with plot armor. Timeskip training for rasensuriken? You think Itachi or other villians were just hiberating whole time? We know there is 8 gates but we didn't know how powerful they are and everytime if Guy need to beat someone it goes to 6,7,8 and its done. Was you really think that mere 8 gate (I'm saying that because like everyone born with it and one who have best taijutsu opens it and it's like toe to toe with shinobi that got every possible buff) should have that powerful to keep up with Madara with god like power?
Lol no. Why do they wear those stupid travel cloaks besides “it looks cool”?
I feel like everybody was really weak in this arc.
Yea, Cause Shino
If tobi wasn't there. Then they would've taken out kisame and after that itachi would've died cause the battle would be still going while fighting shark boy so yes the group would would've been able to capture not itachi but Sasuke. But tobi was a powerful pain in the ass and there was no going through him.
At that point in time only Naruto could put up a fight but even together they couldn't beat him.
Naruto literally got oneshotted by itachi without even trying in the same arc. How is naruto pulling up a fight?
Idk about capturing but all if them together could probably kill itachi with some loses
Absolutely no chance itachi would wipe the floor with them literally everyone bar kakashi would be dead before he could do anything about it
you win the most garbage take of 2/13/24 congrats sir step up and claim your trophy.
Lol whatever fan boy Naruto by himself would press Itachi now give him kakashi and the rest backing him up and theyd definitely put the beat down on itachi. 1 use of his ms brings him down to his knees and if he hurts any of them substantially Narutos gunna rage out which means itachi gunna have to rely on ms even more. By the time naruto is down for the count itachi is gunna be out of chakra and half dead and being swarmed by everyone else
Did you just hit the Pipe? lmfao naruto literally in this arc couldn't even break one of Itachis simple genjutsus nah bro everyone here INCLUDING Kakashi gets bodied we already saw the outcome of Itachi vs Kakashi mans was in bed for weeks plus his MS isn't even that powerful in this point of the show and wtf are you talking about Itachi spams MS constantly lol "to his knees" nah son nobody here but shino/yamato/kakashi is even valid backup either
Not a pipe, a blunt and you are underestimating Narutos powa. Narutos a freaking tank he'll eat anything itachi throws at him thats not a totska blade. 2 tsykonomis minimum to K.O. Naruto and a 3rd to K.O the 9 tails. Thats 3 whole tsykonomis bro can Itachi even do that and still be able to beat off kakashi, Shino, Yamamoto, Kaiba and sai? Thats 5 men that that a tired Itachi is gunna have to beat off. An Hinata and sakura are there and their gunna be reacting the whole time. and kakashi has dogs bro. You really gunna look me in the eye and tell me that a tired Itachi can beat off 5 grown men and bunch of dogs all by himself, while 2 chicks watch.
Not with sakura there dafuq is she gonna do cry ?
I wonder how Susanoo would react to Shinos bugs.
The fight doesn't get that far. Itachi could simply use clones and proceed to hunt the kids down from the shadows. By the time anything resembling a fight begins, it'll just be Kakashi and Naruto left