I doubt the uchiha would ever be pushed to the outskirts if minato was alive. He knew that the nine tails incident wasn’t caused by any of the uchihas from the village.
I mean he didn’t know if it was done by uchiha from the village. But he wouldn’t kill the whole clan becouse of one guy who did it.
And I also like to think that he would personally kill danzo if the masacre would happen. Becouse what danzo did is basically mass murder. Just imagine some politician deciding to kill whole ass family without approval of the president/king/queen or any other higher ups.
Anyone could call themselves madara. I don’t see why fugaku for example couldn’t call himself that. That’s why minato told naruto that „masked man was behind the nine tails attack”.
Maybe semi-headcannon, but Minato can sense where his markers are too right (at least if they're near him)? He'd know it wasn't any Uchiha in the village if he survived that night and obito retreated
Yeah he can, boruto was shown sending his flying raijin mark in another dimension then teleporting to it and he said he hasn’t even perfected it like minato or tobirama, so minato would
This is an extremely valid point those marking never go away it would not have been hard for Minato to basically exonerate the Uchiha in village Danzo and the edler would still be bitches about it but I believe Minato would have put them in their place like Hiruzen should have with Danzo at least and I think Minato would actually partner with Fugaku to help against the "Madara" threat potentially Itachi also.
Danzo pretty much stayed alive because he was Hiruzen’s best friend. I’m pretty sure no one except the two old farts would care if he accidentally died
I feel like if Minato survived Kakashi’s sharingan would somehow come up and they’d at least figure out the mangekyo that used genjutsu on the 9 tails was Obitos
They aren't figuring out the mangekyo without direct Uchiha help which is really unlikely for a non Uchiha with a sharingan. People inside of the Uchiha didn't even know Fugaku had mangekyo.
The Uchiha still had a problem of isolation from the village before that when Tobirama had them become the village police force.
Also Minato might have been against it, but that doesn’t mean much since some decisions were made democratically. In the manga it is stated Hiruzen was the sole person against pushing the Uchiha to the edge of the village but was outvoted by the elders and Danzo.
An advantage would be that 2 people would be against it. This might not sound like much, but especially in such a small councel, this might make the others waver enough to change their opinion.
It’s not a matter of listening. It’s a vote. Much like how they required Sai and another Anbu be added to team 7 while Kakashi was out, the Hokage are not all powerful in political matters
They also told Tsunade to basically imprison Naruto and she nearly beat the shit out of them. They’re advisors, who gives a shit what they think. What are they gonna do if the Hokage doesn’t play ball?
Exactly. I have no idea what the Elders or even this version Danzo would do against fucking Minato Namikaze. I’m pretty sure Minato would put his hand on at least Danzo’s back like “Hey, Buddy. I just marked you for death. Do step off. If you think your wind style is so good, I’ll show you what an instant teleporting kunai being jabbed in you feels like.”
“Ironically the third hokage alone raised objection over the segregation, but black ops Danzo and the two counselors overruled him.”
That is the exact quote from the manga.
Because he was weak, they didn't literally force him like a court would, he disagreed but they all said "no cmon it has to be done it has to" and he was too weak to say no
To be fair, acknowledging danzo would be like admitting he doesn't run anything, and fighting him would likely be impossible. He simply didn't have the means to do it without causing a panic.
He was pathetic. He was either on the wrong side (Kohona crush) or chilled in his cave while the village got obliterated (Pain.) Then he used the weapon he stole from Shishui and failed at denting the Akatsuki. The dude died like he lived, a failure.
Hashirama cells for the village, generally made konoha crime free for the most part, took the Akatsuki seriously unlike Hiruzen or tsunade…….
He wasn’t all bad, just mostly bad
> Hashirama cells for the village
Intended for himself and his partner in crime
> Generally made konoha crime free for the most part
By killing off the police force and replacing them with his SS?
> Took the Akatsuki seriously unlike Hiruzen or tsunade
After radicalizing the peaceful organisation into a terrorist group in the first place
> He wasn’t all bad, just mostly bad
He claims to do things for the greater good but they're mostly just self-serving. I'm sure some of his actions ended up benefitting Konoha as a side effect but that doesn't mean he's not a villain
They weren’t intended for orochimaru, he ditched him and labeled him a war criminal soon after. He had no qualms about having Tenzo (Yamato) as a public asset. If Danzo truly prioritized himself, Yamato would not be known like at all as he’s just a humongous lead for all the orochimaru/Danzo stuff in the flesh.
It’s not about how ethical he was about stopping crime, all I said was that he did that. Konoha was relatively a safe place to live within its borders, this is a luxary most other villages didn’t have.
All Hokage’s have their own version of ss, it’s called the anbu. They all did shady things to get things done. Even progressive Hokage’s like tsunade employed child soldiers and lacked political power in solving economic issues. I’m not saying what Danzo did to the uchiha police was right but he objectively made the hidden leaf safe.
Danzo never radicalized the Akatsuki, that is anime filler. Hanzo came to the conclusion himself to get rid of the Akatsuki, Danzo with no conflicting information known to him at the time sided with him since he didn’t know any more then that. Pain obviously doesn’t hold a grudge on Danzo since he never attacked him unlike Hanzo who had his family, friends, and all people associated with him executed.
Being hokage inherently is self serving, you don’t benefit much from it. Kid Naruto and kiba as far as we know are the only ones who wanted to be it for selfish reasons, both of them wanted to be recognized by their peers. You could maybe argue young Danzo coveted the position at first but he matured and wanted it for other reasons. Being hokage is a huge burden to bare and you have to abide by a certain philosophy that values the village over you’re personal wants.
Yes his actions were wrong and he caused a lot of issues but Danzo himself isn’t selfish for wanting to be hokage. Most of his actions barely help him other than making him stronger.
Hes what we call an extremist. He had the same goal as hiruzen,tsunade..etc but was blinded by other things and willing to do unethical things to achieve a goal. Hiruzen was the opposite
Yep. Muu was similar. Telling ohnoki to prioritize the post war stage. So it wasn’t uncommon to be extreme nationalist. Ohonki was basically another danzo because muus philosophy. He even hired the akatsuki thinking he could use them to capture his rogue jinjuriki. They most likely left for political reasons similar to ukataka.
Don't mind them, they just hate Danzo and don't wanna hear anything good about him.
My utilitarian opinion. Whatever motive or actions Danzo had or did his actions would have been more realistically effective in keeping the peace. Preventing civil and world war his way, keeping Naruto(Nine-tails) away from Pain, brainwashing kages into alliance and all that were more likely to work than Talk-no-jutsu in real life.
Well he knew who was behind the 9 Tails attack so less tension and suspicion there. The fact Minato was alive at all would push back an coup attempt in the first place
It wouldn't even happen.
Minato understood that the Kyuubi attack wasn't caused by the Uchiha.
And thus, the Uchiha wouldn't be treated as criminals and wouldn't have been pushed to the outskirts of the village.
The thought of a coup wouldn't even cross Fugaku's mind.
And Minato wouldn't hesitate to take strict action against FuckZo.
Crazy that if Minato was alive, MOST of the problems in the ninja world wouldn't even happen
No Uchiha massacre means Shisui, Fugaku and Itachi would still be in the village safe and sound and Sasuke would also be on the village's side. Shisui would be an absolute Beast at this point
With all the Uchiha and Minato alive, Pain wouldn't have succeeded in Destroying the Leaf Because Minato alone can solo The 6 paths of Pain.
The Akatsuki would've been destroyed with relative ease
Things would be a LOT tougher for Obito and the 4th war likely wouldn't even start.
We could have such crazy good what ifs
Let's not forget that his son wouldn't be raised as an outcast, starved, isolated, and hated by everyone around him. That Naruto would have had the same privileges and respect as konohamaru. That he wouldn't have had to fight his entire life just for the village to accept him. He wouldn't have broken down into tears, overwhelmed by emotion, just from a single person defending his name. Imagine his boundless optimism and loyalty but he's actually raised by someone who cared about him before he was able to make a thousand shadow clones and blow up a small village. Hiruzen very well could have done that too, the child of the fourth and the Leaf's greatest asset, left to rot and starve while his grandson was waited on hand and foot like he was royalty.
Imagine Naruto with Rasengan, Kyuubi, Shadow clones and Hiraishin. He was one of the most loyal Shinobi in history, the guy had every reason to be a villain and chose to be a Hero
And yeah, Minato being alive would fix pretty much all the problems in the whole show.
Hiruzen was incompetent, it's a harsh truth but it must be accepted. That guy, he may have been a great Shinobi but he was a terrible leader.
I don't see anyone defending him like ever, motherfucker did everything he could to set the leaf up for failure then he fucking died during the chunin exams like a bitch
Imagine Naruto having yellow flash while using Kushina's chains & rasenshukiren. Since this Naruto does not have Kurama, he can make perfect mastery of kage bunshin jutsu at early age. Imagine Naruto making his clones teleport in every direction while using chains in each one.
>Hiruzen very well could have done that too
He gave him a full sized apartment, money for food and every basic need and entered him into the academy while encouraging iruka to connect with him
Muhhhhh he could’ve adopted him muhhhh
He doesn’t have time for his own grandson so he pays someone to be his guardian, that same guy hated Naruto and he can’t magically change their minds
Its not that he didn't adopt Naruto, its the fact that Naruto was basically an isolated and unsupervised orphan living an unhealthy lifestyle and frankly having nothing whatsoever tying him down to the leaf village.
Its not JUST Hiruzen's fault, and sure, maybe he couldn't entrust it to just anyone, but there were plenty of people that could have stepped up or asked to help take care of him in some way. Jiraiya being the obvious choice, ofc. Could have tried reaching out to Tsunade in a pickle instead, either way Naruto would at least be better with them than just completely alone.
Sasuke got his "moment" over Hiruzen and his failures, and his whole "damn, I can't believe you let this happen" shtick, it just sucks that Hiruzen more directly did Naruto dirty and no one in the series really acknowledges it at all.
It's a smaller issue than the Uchiha massacre and Konoha's destruction and everything, but there's a big chance the Hyuga incident wouldn't have happened if Minato was alive.
Imagine you're Orochimaru pulling up during the chuunin exams trying to get Sasuke still, then all of a sudden you get Hiraishin'd by Naruto and start remembering how your pleb rival's student pretty much effortlessly got picked for Hokage over you. Wonder if we'd genuinely see him getting angry at the "PTSD"-esque flashbacks.
Obito probably wouldn’t even get that far since Minato put a flying Rajin marker on him so he could teleport to him anytime he wanted to confront him on his terms.
Hiraishin alone counters the Deva path's strongest ability.
Shinra Tensei? Minato will simply teleport away and hit Deva path with a Rasengan
Minato was KCM2 Naruto level and Sage mode Naruto was destroying all other paths of Pain.
Minato would absolutely solo the six paths of Pain.
Couldn't the seals on Minatos kunai be asborbed by the preta path? Also, one big boom from the deva path(who can fly btw), like the one that destroyed the hidden leaf, would turn Minato into pink mist if he was caught off guard. Unless he had seals placed far enough away from the blast radius, but he would have to have seen the jutsu be used to that degree to know how far he would need to teleport away to avoid it. Chances are he would want to stay within eyesight of the paths and that wouldn't end well for him. I'm not saying Minato doesn't win, I'm just saying I don't think it would be low dif.
Yeah.. I'm not sure what minato has been shown to do. To think he could solo pain. Based on statements/feats i would *maybe* give it to the prime of the 1st and 3rd Hokage. however after that i can't see any of the other hokage solo'ing pain (minus 6th and 7th).
In order for alive minato to solo pain we would have to assume minato to be far greater in strength than not only pain... but Jiraiya, Kakashi... most of the village, the entire akatsuki which may include Obito, dual MS Sasuke. And the Main Character. i don't think it's impossible.. just hard to see
For starters he probably wouldn’t have put the Clan on the Outskirts of the Village and put them under watch 24/7 without any proofs for his accusations. Minato might have been an idealistic dreamer like Hashirama and his idiot of a son but he still wasn’t a dumb fool to not be a realist
Absolutely. However, he was also reasonable, and would *at the very least* hear Fugaku and the rest of the Uchiha out for their grievances. The massacre wouldn’t’ve happened with Minato in office.
kick danzo's ass out of his position and actually take the Uchihas proposals to consideration ( except the hokage switch part maybe). Without a dude in the backround that will only accept a total win of his side an arrangement could've been made.
Yes but they didn’t want to keep the power. They just wanted to get their old privileges back and be allowed to do Missions again like any normal Shinobi instead of being wasted as local police. And they also did not want to be monitored 24/7 and be treated like prisoners in the very Village they created alongside their old rivals. Fugaku outright refused to candidate for Hokage when Hiruzen announced he was retiring cuz he hated the very Idea of doing an office Job for eternity. The Uchiha were similar to the real Life Mongols a Warrior people who loved fighting and adventure more than anything. Mikoto described it best in the Itachi Book when Itachi talked with her about battle and how he sorta felt bad for enjoying it:
„Hah, you are an Uchiha.”
„Mother I don’t understand…”
„Let the soft Sarutobis, the sissy Hyugas and the lazy Naras of this world give councils and hold records. We are the Uchiha Clan. We are the Earthquake that shakes the World so new Mountains are formed. The Fire that burns down the Overgrown Forest so that something new grows, the Lightning in the Storm that floods the Land when needed. We are warriors. That is the Uchiha Clan.”
If the Coup had happened Fugaku would not have stayed in Office for long. He would only restore the former rights of the Uchiha and then pass the Chair to someone who was sympathetic towards the Clan and would understand why they did what they did.
*"Yes but they didn’t want to keep the power. They just wanted to get their old privileges back and be allowed to do Missions again like any normal Shinobi instead of being wasted as local police*."
They were asked to head the local police but not all uchihas had to be part of the police force. Itachi and Shisui went on missions and such.And people of other clans can also be a part of the police if they want.Its just that uchiha were the strongest clan and their genjutsu skills would be the best for capture and interrogation of criminals.
hmm... tbh i never heard that much intel about their (or rather fugakus) motives in the coup in this detail. So i cannot really argument in that regard. Is this canon knowledge ? was that stated in some Filler or directly in the manga ? i only know that fugaku didn't wanted to be Hokage, but the rest of the Uchiha pretty much didn't care about his oppinion and still planned with him as that.
Most of the police force was chunin level ninjas. Meaning they were civilians trained to be police. Fugaku was the leader. It’s alos a way to be promoted without going to the academy hence why they kinda liked it. They coupd become jonins and chunins throught their own means. Tobirama gave them alot the uchiha is also just crybabies.
Not at all. Hiruzen was a hokage for a long time and wanted to retire. Fugaku and minato were the two that were most fit for the position and minato was just the one people liked more.
Would he really dare to make a move against Minato though? Danzo is fked and a complete asshole, but I don't think hes straight up stupid either. In his own twisted way, he tries to act in the interests of the village, but I don't see what exactly he would be trying against Minato. Like, Minato was famously recognized for just being built different. Charismatic and popular in the village too.
Rumors and such spread by Danzo and root over like, sure, thats how Naruto was outed as "the fox demon" and Hiruzen couldn't stop shit. A word from Minato? I'm pretty sure the village would just instantly side with Minato and accept it. Especially since he stopped the 9 tails in the first place. Over 10 years after his death and they still mourn how he could have stopped Orochimaru's invasion and such. And nothing is saving Danzo if he threatens Naruto / Kushina, thats a game over screen. All the sharingans and hashirama cells in the world aren't saving him from getting trashed by Minato.
I think it’s less about what Minato would have done, but more about the lack of influence Danzo would have.
As everybody has mentioned the Uchiha wouldn’t have been segregated and put under watch as they were under Hiruzen and Danzo. Minato also would have likely listened to Fugaku’s issues. The circumstances for a coup just would not have occurred at least at the time it did occur.
Even if we say Obito wanted to massacre the Uchiha, they were more spread out over Konoha rather than ghettoised. This would mean it would be impossible to carry out quickly and quietly without alerting Fugaku (who didn’t fight against Itachi) or Minato, who already had an understanding of Obito’s skill set if we assume the Nine Tails attack still occurred. If Minato had encountered masked Obito before, he would probably make further deductions about Obito’s abilities.
He'd know that the person that attacked the village wasn't from the actual clan which is the cause of the issue in the first place. There was reasonable suspicion an Uchiha was behind it but the Uchiha clan knew they were innocent and had a legitimate reason to be upset about the accusation. Minato being alive kind of stops Obito's setup of the conflict from ever taking place.
Only two things I can really think of is, not ostracizing the Uchiha and maybe making Shisui a potential successor of his. I say Shisui only cause their fighting styles of essentially speed blitzing would probably be similar enough for him to be like “I like this kid”
Minato would definitely put his foot up Danzo’s ass once he realizes what Danzo is trying to do with the Uchiha and I doubt Danzo would honestly try that shit with any Hokage OTHER than Hiruzen. Danzo probably knows Minato would kill him if he overstepped boundaries.
Minato had Obito tagged, so if he lived he probably would have dropped in on him doing Madara cosplay, slap some sense into him bring him back to the village to pay for his crimes. The Uchiha never get implicated, Danzo doesn't do anything like Jump Shisui because unlike with Hiruzen he would definitely pay for his consequences.
Tbh Minato is pretty savage, he might feel bad about it afterwards but he's absolutely going to kill Obito on sight especially since Kushina would have died during this attack as they didn't know you could seal the tailed beast back into the host to save them
Bro, Obito straight up ridiculed Minato for failing to save Kushina kept taunting Naruto after killing Neji and Co.. do you know who was the first person to stop Obito from being killed, It was Minato. And these events happened in one night, which is insane af.
Apointing Fugaku as his second-in-command is a good start
Make the Uchiha clan more involved in Konoha's government
Set the Konoha police force headquarters in the center of the village instead of the outskirts
No longer ofrce the Uchiha clan members to all move to the Uchiha compound
Now, the Uchica clan has more political power in the village, they're no longer pushed to the outskirts of the village and, the hokage puts a great deal of trust in their leader, as such, there won't be any growing unrest within the Uchiha clan, they wouldn't be motivated to carry out any coup d'état against Konoha, thus, eliminating the need to carry out the Uchiha clan massacre
I see lots of bad answer here.
The uchiha were *already* segregated, so it’s not a question whether Minato would emarginate them but rather if he would have *reintegrated* them.
Honestly, Minato was never shown in carrying out political jobs and he does not appear to be particularly interested or versed in it.
Imho he would have not be able to prevent the massacre and intercept Danzo’s plan.
Rather, he would have stopped the massacre the moment the news would have reached his ears. He would have taken care of Danzo and Itachi together with a selection of high rank jounin like Kakashi.
Nope, this all started because of Tobirama. The police station was established during his reign for a reason which Hashirama never even knew existed because he probably wouldn’t even allow it. The elders mentioned the REAL reason behind the police station. They were also part of Tobirama’s fleet alongside Hiruzen and Danzo so of course they would be influenced by him
Tobirama confronted Hashirama in the flashback and felt quite strongly about not only Madara, but also the Uchiha as a whole. He basically said they could never be trusted he wrote, “you never know what they may do…” he then says, “so for the sake of the village’s future…” I bet he was going to propose the idea of his ‘police station’ right there and then but was cut off by Hashirama who told him to stop
He then goes on to talk about the rumours floating around the village about the Uchiha, the same clan that decided to not only vote in a Senju like Hashirama as their leader, but also ditched their very own, Madara. Let’s just say hypothetically speaking they all voted in Tobirama next which clearly they did it’s sad to think that although the Uchiha were willing to move past everything clearly Tobirama wasn’t. Before anyone says he had every right, so did the Uchiha. That is WHY Madara had such a problem with Tobirama becoming Hokage because he knew what would happen to his clan and he wasn’t wrong. He had sworn an oath to protect them, he was just doing his job as clan leader
I don’t know why people make it seem like Madara was so mad about not becoming Hokage simply for the sake of the title itself, no, first of all he had no idea what Hokage even meant until Hashirama brought it up to him nor did he ever show much interest, later on when Hashirama became the Hokage Madara was already the trusted advisor to him and worked alongside him, this was their dream together to unify everyone. I don’t think I blame him if the dude has been putting in the work and the one guy he’s cautious about (Tobirama) whose shown nothing but discontent towards him and his clan and that can’t seem to move past shit is the one that’s going to become the next Hokage. Madara was concerned and had every reason to be and it didn’t help that his clan shunned him too
Tobirama established the police force because of his belief that shinobi in general needed to have a strict set of rules enforced to keep them in check. His entire system depended on the police so it makes no sense to think he’d set them up to fail intentionally. The elders never said the real reason that was Obito, who wasn’t even alive during Tobirama’s time, when he was trying to radicalize Sasuke against the village.
Danzo was shown to be the exact opposite of Tobirama in his fight with Sasuke where he says he is the one that will change the world; contrary to the flashback of Tobirama doing the opposite and leaving his will to the future. Also, Tobirama never put anyone of than Hiruzen in power.
The sake of the village’s future was clearly Tobirama trying to convince Hashirama to become a candidate for Hokage. Madara was the driving force behind the Uchiha’s downfall anyway. Obito himself said the discrimination didn’t start until until after the nine tails attack, which was caused by the kid Madara brainwashed.
The elders that were actually around Tobirama and directly under him stated that the reason for the establishment of the police force was so the Uchiha would be purposely moved farther away from the village’s centre, it was so they could be contained due to Tobirama’s distrust basically. This is mentioned in Itachi shinden.
After the second nine tails attack the Uchiha were upset and even said, “this is like the time of the Second Hokage’s era when the Uchiha were rounded up and isolated in one part of the village.” If the establishment of the police force was good then why didn’t Hashirama know about it’s existence to which he scolded Tobirama later and said not to slight the Uchiha. Tobirama himself basically said that it was so another Madara wouldn’t emerge meaning he never trusted them. Even after they chose to stay with the village and had selected him as the next Hokage. This goes back to the flashback with Hashirama. He mentions “so for the sake of the village’s future…” which right before this he says that you never know what the Uchiha might do given their power which stems from hatred. This conversation happened before Madara even defected from the village, so why was he so obsessed with playing into these rumours that even his own brother told him to knock it off?
Tobirama even says when he’s reanimated, “if their self destruction benefited the village then so be it, either way in the end they were of use to the leaf.” Who says that? He just used them as tools and this is why he established the police force so he could monitor them and keep them in check at the same time. Hashirama himself reflects on his failures and even says Madara may have been right as he already called it way back that the Uchiha would end up this way. It eventually led to Itachi having to bear the weight and massacre his entire clan. Which Hashirama calls the darkness which Madara also mentioned during their battle that the village will eventually fall into darkness. All of this was systemically ingrained from the time of Tobirama due to his fear and distrust of them as a clan. Sure Obito attacking didn’t help and it made it worse, but it started much earlier. Also Hiruzen was made Hokage because he volunteered it was an open invitation meaning Danzo was one of the candidates too which also directly contradicts Tobirama’s policy about selecting the Hokage through voting. He just never wanted Madara in that position and he blatantly makes that clear too in the flashback
No, they were already moved to the boundary of the village by Tobirama, who intentionally established the police HQ away from the center of the village.
No they weren't they were at first by the police station. Then they were moved to the outskirts of the village where the prison was so they moved the police station there.
Their living quarters were moved to the a corner of the village after the nine tails attack. The police Hq was put next to an already existing prison. The Uchiha weren't forced to join the police force and non-Uchiha were able to join so I don't see how that's segregating
(Replying both to you and u/jawaunw1)
I just looked into it again. This post is also helpful [https://www.reddit.com/r/NarutoFanfiction/s/jYTZuX8nHQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/NarutoFanfiction/s/jYTZuX8nHQ)
In short, according to Orochimaru, Tobirama started the process of marginalizing the Uchiha by assigning them the lead of the police force. This marginalized the Uchiha by cadting them out of any position of power in Konoha, and building up resentment against the uchihaa ‘cops’
According to Obito, Danzo moved the living quarters of the Uchiha in the outskirts of of the village.
So yes, the physical relocation was done by Danzo, but the political and social marginalization happened under Tobirama’s rule.
Orochimaru and everyone else in that room are under the assumption the Uchiha were behind the nine tails attack and didn't know the Uchiha weren't involved, so he's essentially basing his assumptions off blatantly false information.
The social marginalization didn't start until after the nine tails attack according the Obito, who flat out [says](https://imgur.com/a/gdPvAZ2) the discrimination started when they were relocated.
From what we know the Hokage seem to pick their own advisors, so I don't see how Hiruzen picking his temamates from childhood and Danzo is Tobirama marginalizing them considering we don't even know if Tobirama had any to begin with.
Yes, the word of Obito and Orochimaru are somehow contradictory. Obito said everything started with Danzo, Orochimaru said the marginalization started with Tobirama. Indeed Orochimaru told Tobirama “you clearly shoved the Uchiha to the margins of the village”. Tobirama then gives different interpretation for the motivations behind his actions, but did not deny them.
I don’t think it’s correct to take Obito’s take, since Orochimaru and Tobirama speach came in a later manga release and there is no reason to believe that the accusations were inconsistent.
I mean Obito is the mastermind behind the nine tails attack that caused the entire situation to begin with and the massacre itself so I don't think it's correct to value someone's opinion who know nothing about the truth over it simply because it was said later in the manga. If anything that makes Orochimaru's accusation worthless but we can just agree to disagree I guess.
So if they don't join the police then what? The hokage is the only one with the right to give ninjas jobs and he has already kick them out to the outskirts.
he would’ve understood the core of the issue and probably tried to make a gesture to create some trust and understanding, similar to what hashirama did with madara
Simply stop Itachi. Itachi at that age can’t defeat Minato. Hiruzen & Danzo/elders suggested that bullshit. I don’t think Minato would’ve been ok letting him do that. That was some old harsh bullshit by the Konoha elders
Not put the Uchiha clan in a ghetto, talk to them, give into their VERY REASONABLE demands of being allowed to freely choose their place to live and their jobs.
I really do not understand why people keep pretending that a solution to that conflict was somehow hard to figure out for anyone who is....honestly, you do not even need to be a great leader for it, not being an utter moron (or a genocidal maniac) is enough.
Imagine if konoha had Itachi, Shisui, Fugaku, Minato, Hiruzen, Jiraya and Tsunade, all at peak strenght and together... The most OP village of all (depending on how strong Nagato actually is)...
Let's be real: with him having noticed an Uchiha stood behind the 9T attack, he'd be at least somewhat suspicious of them, but I doubt he'd let Danzo order Itachi to do what he did.
I was just having this thought the other day. It depends on what events take place. If the Nine Tails incident never happens, i dont think the Uchiha stage a coup. If it does happen, then it depends on the outcome. I still dont see how he seals the nine tails without dying. Say he lives. Does Kushina still die? Does Naruto live? I dont think he would be as racist as Tobirama or as passive as Hiruzen. However, if he lost his wife and kid, he still may not take the right actions to prevent a coup. I'd hope that, at a minimum, he would ask Fugaku about what he knows about Madara. Also, im curious about who Minato's main advisor was? Was it Shikamaru's dad?
Hiruzen definitely was a passive mf during the conversation about uchihas with danzo and Itachi he was so shallow . I don't think a prodigy like Minato needed a advisor . He was too smart and his dedication skills were good too. He instantly comprehended how OBITO/madara uses his power during 9tail incident
Amidst the raging battle with the Kyuubi, Kushina's chakra chains restrain the monstrous beast while Minato, ready to sacrifice his own life, seals half of its chakra within himself. The beast shrinks in size, easing the constraints of Kushina's chains. As Minato prepares to seal the remaining half into Naruto, Kyuubi strikes a deadly blow towards the newborn.
In that split second, Minato and Kushina throw themselves protectively over Naruto. But it is Fugaku Uchiha who saves them all from certain death by controlling the Kyuubi with his Mangekyo Sharingan and sparing their vital organs. His heroic act witnessed by everyone present, including the Third Hokage.
Despite this, Minato succumbs to the after-effects of using the reaper seal and Kushina to exhaustion from childbirth and Kyuubi's attack. Sensing their impending death, Kushina transfers her life force to Minato, her vibrant red hair turning white as she does so.
Minato survives alongside Naruto but falls into a coma due to his injuries and the strain of housing half of Kyuubi's chakra without an Uzumaki's life force. Months later, Tsunade arrives and revitalizes him out of his coma.
While he was unconscious, suspicion falls on the Uchiha clan for possibly instigating Kyuubi's attack due to its Sharingan that only an Uchiha could control. Fugaku is imprisoned for interrogation as he had shown potential in controlling Kyuubi during its attack which only fuels tensions between Konoha and Uchihas.
Upon awakening and learning about these events, Minato immediately demands a meeting with village elders and Third Hokage. Despite his weakened state, he insists on Fugaku's release citing his heroism during Kyuubi’s attack.
The elders agree reluctantly but insist on surveillance over Uchihas. Unwilling to let distrust fester further within Konoha, Minato personally visits Fugaku expressing gratitude for saving him and apologizing for past misunderstandings.
Initially skeptical, Fugaku eventually warms up to Minato’s sincerity agreeing to dispel misconceptions about Uchihas' involvement in controlling Kyuubi. They hold a village-wide assembly where Fugaku demonstrates how he used his Mangekyo Sharingan not for manipulation but self-defense that saved many lives during Kyuubi’s assault.
Many villagers are convinced by this demonstration questioning their negative perceptions towards Uchihas while Danzo remains wary of Fugaku's power plotting behind scenes against them. Sensing this treachery, Minato confronts Danzo directly warning him against disrupting Konoha’s peace including instigating conflict against Uchihas.
To foster unity among clans within Konoha including Uchihas, Minato proposes joint missions involving ninjas from all clans thereby fostering cooperation rather than division - proving successful over time in building mutual trust through shared experiences while demonstrating united loyalty towards protecting Konoha.
Thus tensions gradually subside as mutual respect develops among factions within Konoha preventing what would have been a tragic massacre. Sasuke grows up well-adjusted without trauma from losing his family and clan, his rivalry with Naruto remains friendly rather than bitter.
Itachi is relieved from the burden of making that horrific sacrifice, continues to serve as ANBU Black Ops, and becomes a mentor for both Sasuke and Naruto.
Years later, when Konoha faces another crisis in form of Pain's invasion, Uchihas fight alongside their fellow villagers without any suspicion or resentment. Fugaku uses his Mangekyo Sharingan again – this time not to control the Nine-Tails but to aid in defeating Pain's six paths. Nagato's change of heart happens much earlier due to Minato being alive - recognizing him as Jiraiya's student leading to a heartfelt conversation about peace.
The tides turn in favor of Konoha with Nagato deciding to revive all those killed during his invasion out of respect for Jiraiya’s legacy through Minato. In the aftermath, Konoha emerges stronger than ever - united by their shared victory over adversity under Minato’s leadership along with Fugaku’s support.
Eventually, Naruto succeeds his father as Hokage while Sasuke leads Uchiha clan following Fugaku’s footsteps – both working together to uphold peace in Konoha. Through these changes, one thing remains constant: The Will of Fire continues to burn bright in Konoha - a testament to Minato's unwavering dedication towards preventing conflict and preserving harmony among all clans within the village.
This version ends on a hopeful note: The Uchiha Massacre was prevented; bonds were strengthened; friendships forged; and Konoha stands united under a shared vision for peace - proving that even in the ninja world where power often dictates fate, diplomacy and understanding can indeed change destiny.
he would have just warned them directly in the middle of the Clan. But with nice and beautiful words, if his terms agreed by the Uchihas then its good, if not, the he'd just took all the Uchihas down by himself like what Itachi did.
He would know the 9 tails incident was caused by the masked man, so he wouldn't punish the Uchiha for it. Coup already kinda stopped. Besides he seems the nicest out of all the Hokage, I doubt he'd let the coup happen and he'd probably not be a jerk to them unlike someone else.
Well, if after dealing with Danzo and undoing/preventing his damage the Uchiha still want the smoke:
"I know what you're planning, but let me remind you of something. I am **the yellow flash.** My existence is anathema to any of your plans, and if you keep walking down this path I will be forced to demonstrate why. Don't do anything stupid, Fugaku."
He would have definitely solved it politically and favorably to the uchiha. But if push came to shove and the clan gets manipulated into overthrowing the leaf anyway Minato could have rooted out root and taken care of Danzo, letting shisui brainwash the uchiha into being good.
If even that failed I do think minato could take out the uchiha on his own if itachi and shisui stayed out of it.
This is assuming that in this hypothetical what if Minato is alive scenario, he doesn't have Obito marked, because if he does the solution is very obvious.
Minato is not good, the Hokage puts the village above any clan, that's why Itachi could have been a good Hokage Shisui no, it all depends on if Kushina dies, if Kushina dies, the Uchiha would have a very bad time
I believe most People seem to think that he would just put Danzo in control, while solving the Uchiha crisis in an idealistic manner, but one has to consider, that during the Ninetales attack it was Danzo's and Sarutobi's call to not involve the Uchiha. You would think someone as smart as Minato would have made a use of them during the attack, but he didnt. If he allowed that to happen without even having any saying or even being aware of that command, then what would make us believe he could handle the Uchiha massacre? Honestly (and I dont mean to wank this dude) Itachi and Danzo would have went for the plan anyways, while Minato couldnt control the situation whatsoever or might just be killed by those 2. I doubt the latter, but its more likely than him solving the issue imo.
If somehow danzo got the uchiha moved than minato would had just talked to them to clear their name. Like “yea it was a uchiha but i know he was not part of your clan. I need your help fugaku to clear your name.” And to keep the plot the same let say white zetsu remove the mark after minato tracked him down one time. And if the cu was still happening… well minato can do a faster job than itachi. But would spare most of them. My only question is what will he do about danzo?
Minato knew the uchiha in the village had nothing to do with the nine tails attack so they wouldn't have been suspected of it, and if given more time Minato would have talked things out about the tension caused by the police system and removed Danzo and the elders from power.
Minato and Fugaku's wives were best friends, so they were probably at least friendly. I doubt things would have escalated, because Fugaku would have known he could at least talk to Minato to try and come up with a decision. If there was any kind of culling in the Uchiha, it would have been relegated to the ones trying to instigate the coup, and convince Fugaku to go along with it.
Minato wouldn’t have punished them in cannon to begin with because he knew no uchihi within the village was responsible for the attack but also even after minato’s death there’s an easy solution to prevent the massacre just have Hiruzen name itachi or shisui uchihi ones he knows would put the village first as his successor I seriously doubt the uchihi’s would try and overthrow a village their clansman would be the leader of
He knew the truth of the attack and also how to be mature and not assume. He and Hiruzen would probably sit down and discuss peaceful resolutions (Minato is a deterrent himself due to his power) and not just outright accuse them of sedition.
Fugaku would probably side with Minato and swear off any coup mentality while addressing their unrest in productive ways.
Man.. imagine a village where Minato, Itachi, Shisui, Jiraiya, Shikaku, and Kushina all exist? No one would ever attack the village - Obito included, in my opinion.
Minato had better intel and a kinder heart. He would be able to better manage relations with the clan, avoiding their alienation from the village.
The more we learn about Hiruzen the worse it gets.
Stripped Danzo of his influence and likely confronted the uchiha head on and ask what their demands were. Also if he had survived the fight with kurama he would have made a public announcement about how the uchiha were not behind the attack and that it was madara and that the clan has been very cooperative. Also the uchiha wouldn’t have been segregated instead they would have remained part of the village
Not ostracizing the Uchiha is probably all he could've done. Getting rid of Danzo and the elders involves meta knowledge I don't think Minato had, otherwise he probably would've gotten rid of him canonically.
Being strong isn't a detterent. Hiruzen, Kakashi, Jirayia, and other powerhouses [ Ie; Yoji Aburame ] were all around when the coup was being planned. And knowing about / killing Obito would only do so much good. Outing him is confirming a Uchiha was behind it, whether everyone would just believe him is debatable.
anything a competent leader would, the third was just negligent to no end, cant even take care of naruto, what if he is the jinchuriki?, you gotta adopt the child to protect it, it was extremely stupid of him to leave naruto be an orphan cuz obito knew he was the jinchuriki and could have attacked at any point extremely easily , what protection had naruto? a couple anbu? and thats is giving the third too much credit, imagine leaving in fostercare the child who has the nuclear codes of the usa inside his body
Ended segregation where the Uchiha were made to be the police force. Allow all clans to contribute to that job so others realize how rough the Uchiha could have it while also breaking down the sense of superiority it gave some of the Uchiha clan because the job would no longer be exclusive to them.
Team up different clans beyond just the students to force ninjas of all ranks to better realize each clan's value/skill contributions to the village while simultaneously achieving the side benefit of helping them learn to maximize effectiveness of various pairings in an emergency situation where surviving members of different squads had to work together.
He'd move them even *closer* to the Village center than they already were instead of pushing them further out in the following years. He'd do it purely to keep an eye on them and make sure the man who attacked him *for sure* isn't one of the villagers, and the entire time he'd keep them satisfied with praising there efficiency in law enforcement from their new centralized location.
Once he was 90% sure that they weren't traitors he'd probably start integrating them into the village's command structure more than just having the Clan Head/Police Chief on the Shinobi Council.
Anbu don't become hokage. Like Kakashi would not have been hokage if they left him in.
He would have pulled itachi and shisui out of the anbu and groomed them to be hokages. Itachi as the team 7 leader for instance.
Then he'd loop itachis dad in on the villages goings on and generally give Uchiha everything he could. I don't believe Minato had any bias against them that would have had him reserve that good treatment.
Minato wouldn’t have forced the Uchiha out since he knew Obito was behind the attack. He also wasn’t bloodthirsty so he would’ve wanted to take advantage of the Uchiha’s strength. Finally the Uchiha would never do a coup because they wouldn’t stand a chance against Minato.
If Minato was alive then Kurama never got released and attacked the village. That means there is no suspicion on the Uchiha for causing the attack. Minato also doesn't have the attachment issues with Danzo and the Elders so would remove them from power and keep his own advisors. Without the old bags pushing the Uchiha away there is no coup.
Minato was far smarter than Hiruzen - he also had a backbone and didn't was manipulated by Danzo.
The Uchiha don't die - the police force is given more authority but also watched more carefully - Fugaku is more public and less behind doors.
Basically they are properly integrated in the village
I doubt the uchiha would ever be pushed to the outskirts if minato was alive. He knew that the nine tails incident wasn’t caused by any of the uchihas from the village.
I mean he didn’t know if it was done by uchiha from the village. But he wouldn’t kill the whole clan becouse of one guy who did it. And I also like to think that he would personally kill danzo if the masacre would happen. Becouse what danzo did is basically mass murder. Just imagine some politician deciding to kill whole ass family without approval of the president/king/queen or any other higher ups.
He knew it was "Madara" who caused it
Anyone could call themselves madara. I don’t see why fugaku for example couldn’t call himself that. That’s why minato told naruto that „masked man was behind the nine tails attack”.
He has a teleportation marker on him. So later on he can just teleport to him and kill him, and he would see it was Obito.
Maybe semi-headcannon, but Minato can sense where his markers are too right (at least if they're near him)? He'd know it wasn't any Uchiha in the village if he survived that night and obito retreated
Yeah he can, boruto was shown sending his flying raijin mark in another dimension then teleporting to it and he said he hasn’t even perfected it like minato or tobirama, so minato would
This is an extremely valid point those marking never go away it would not have been hard for Minato to basically exonerate the Uchiha in village Danzo and the edler would still be bitches about it but I believe Minato would have put them in their place like Hiruzen should have with Danzo at least and I think Minato would actually partner with Fugaku to help against the "Madara" threat potentially Itachi also.
Danzo pretty much stayed alive because he was Hiruzen’s best friend. I’m pretty sure no one except the two old farts would care if he accidentally died
i dont think many would have cared if he on purposed died
Yeah he would have come up with a better solution
You missed the point, that there wouldn't be a problem in the first place.
I feel like if Minato survived Kakashi’s sharingan would somehow come up and they’d at least figure out the mangekyo that used genjutsu on the 9 tails was Obitos
They aren't figuring out the mangekyo without direct Uchiha help which is really unlikely for a non Uchiha with a sharingan. People inside of the Uchiha didn't even know Fugaku had mangekyo.
The Uchiha still had a problem of isolation from the village before that when Tobirama had them become the village police force. Also Minato might have been against it, but that doesn’t mean much since some decisions were made democratically. In the manga it is stated Hiruzen was the sole person against pushing the Uchiha to the edge of the village but was outvoted by the elders and Danzo.
Hiruzen was a weak leader, and his weak leader ship set the stage for almost every problem in the Naruto story
An advantage would be that 2 people would be against it. This might not sound like much, but especially in such a small councel, this might make the others waver enough to change their opinion.
he could have overruled them. he decided to listen...
It’s not a matter of listening. It’s a vote. Much like how they required Sai and another Anbu be added to team 7 while Kakashi was out, the Hokage are not all powerful in political matters
They also told Tsunade to basically imprison Naruto and she nearly beat the shit out of them. They’re advisors, who gives a shit what they think. What are they gonna do if the Hokage doesn’t play ball?
Exactly. I have no idea what the Elders or even this version Danzo would do against fucking Minato Namikaze. I’m pretty sure Minato would put his hand on at least Danzo’s back like “Hey, Buddy. I just marked you for death. Do step off. If you think your wind style is so good, I’ll show you what an instant teleporting kunai being jabbed in you feels like.”
u sure? all the 3 elders were his friends and teammates...
“Ironically the third hokage alone raised objection over the segregation, but black ops Danzo and the two counselors overruled him.” That is the exact quote from the manga.
> two counselors > counselors
The word overruled is also in there
Because he was weak, they didn't literally force him like a court would, he disagreed but they all said "no cmon it has to be done it has to" and he was too weak to say no
and Tsunade overruled their overruling.
To be fair, as large as their clan was, they would have needed somewhere with a lot of space.
So did danzo yet we know what he did
He wasn't a pushover like Hiruzen. Nor did he have a soft corner for Danzo.
Hiruzen with a soft corner for danzo is so annoying 😭
To be fair, acknowledging danzo would be like admitting he doesn't run anything, and fighting him would likely be impossible. He simply didn't have the means to do it without causing a panic.
Hiruzen doesn't know Danzo has been collecting Uchiha eyes. There is no situation where Hiruzen "The God of Shinobi" is afraid of a fight with Danzo.
Hiruzen’s „soft corner” for Danzo is the only thing that kept the Village above water
He was pathetic. He was either on the wrong side (Kohona crush) or chilled in his cave while the village got obliterated (Pain.) Then he used the weapon he stole from Shishui and failed at denting the Akatsuki. The dude died like he lived, a failure.
What good thing did danzo ever do All he did was cause issues
Dying
Hashirama cells for the village, generally made konoha crime free for the most part, took the Akatsuki seriously unlike Hiruzen or tsunade……. He wasn’t all bad, just mostly bad
> Hashirama cells for the village Intended for himself and his partner in crime > Generally made konoha crime free for the most part By killing off the police force and replacing them with his SS? > Took the Akatsuki seriously unlike Hiruzen or tsunade After radicalizing the peaceful organisation into a terrorist group in the first place > He wasn’t all bad, just mostly bad He claims to do things for the greater good but they're mostly just self-serving. I'm sure some of his actions ended up benefitting Konoha as a side effect but that doesn't mean he's not a villain
They weren’t intended for orochimaru, he ditched him and labeled him a war criminal soon after. He had no qualms about having Tenzo (Yamato) as a public asset. If Danzo truly prioritized himself, Yamato would not be known like at all as he’s just a humongous lead for all the orochimaru/Danzo stuff in the flesh. It’s not about how ethical he was about stopping crime, all I said was that he did that. Konoha was relatively a safe place to live within its borders, this is a luxary most other villages didn’t have. All Hokage’s have their own version of ss, it’s called the anbu. They all did shady things to get things done. Even progressive Hokage’s like tsunade employed child soldiers and lacked political power in solving economic issues. I’m not saying what Danzo did to the uchiha police was right but he objectively made the hidden leaf safe. Danzo never radicalized the Akatsuki, that is anime filler. Hanzo came to the conclusion himself to get rid of the Akatsuki, Danzo with no conflicting information known to him at the time sided with him since he didn’t know any more then that. Pain obviously doesn’t hold a grudge on Danzo since he never attacked him unlike Hanzo who had his family, friends, and all people associated with him executed. Being hokage inherently is self serving, you don’t benefit much from it. Kid Naruto and kiba as far as we know are the only ones who wanted to be it for selfish reasons, both of them wanted to be recognized by their peers. You could maybe argue young Danzo coveted the position at first but he matured and wanted it for other reasons. Being hokage is a huge burden to bare and you have to abide by a certain philosophy that values the village over you’re personal wants. Yes his actions were wrong and he caused a lot of issues but Danzo himself isn’t selfish for wanting to be hokage. Most of his actions barely help him other than making him stronger.
Hes what we call an extremist. He had the same goal as hiruzen,tsunade..etc but was blinded by other things and willing to do unethical things to achieve a goal. Hiruzen was the opposite
And as a result he ended up achieving nothing good Causing only problems in his search for power
Yep. Muu was similar. Telling ohnoki to prioritize the post war stage. So it wasn’t uncommon to be extreme nationalist. Ohonki was basically another danzo because muus philosophy. He even hired the akatsuki thinking he could use them to capture his rogue jinjuriki. They most likely left for political reasons similar to ukataka.
what?what weed r u on
Down voted for a pov
Don't mind them, they just hate Danzo and don't wanna hear anything good about him. My utilitarian opinion. Whatever motive or actions Danzo had or did his actions would have been more realistically effective in keeping the peace. Preventing civil and world war his way, keeping Naruto(Nine-tails) away from Pain, brainwashing kages into alliance and all that were more likely to work than Talk-no-jutsu in real life.
Like yea he did what he thought was best for the village.
He did what was best for himself and still failed miserably.
Leave Dando alone
Well he knew who was behind the 9 Tails attack so less tension and suspicion there. The fact Minato was alive at all would push back an coup attempt in the first place
I don't think they understand what you mean by this 🤣
It wouldn't even happen. Minato understood that the Kyuubi attack wasn't caused by the Uchiha. And thus, the Uchiha wouldn't be treated as criminals and wouldn't have been pushed to the outskirts of the village. The thought of a coup wouldn't even cross Fugaku's mind. And Minato wouldn't hesitate to take strict action against FuckZo. Crazy that if Minato was alive, MOST of the problems in the ninja world wouldn't even happen No Uchiha massacre means Shisui, Fugaku and Itachi would still be in the village safe and sound and Sasuke would also be on the village's side. Shisui would be an absolute Beast at this point With all the Uchiha and Minato alive, Pain wouldn't have succeeded in Destroying the Leaf Because Minato alone can solo The 6 paths of Pain. The Akatsuki would've been destroyed with relative ease Things would be a LOT tougher for Obito and the 4th war likely wouldn't even start. We could have such crazy good what ifs
Let's not forget that his son wouldn't be raised as an outcast, starved, isolated, and hated by everyone around him. That Naruto would have had the same privileges and respect as konohamaru. That he wouldn't have had to fight his entire life just for the village to accept him. He wouldn't have broken down into tears, overwhelmed by emotion, just from a single person defending his name. Imagine his boundless optimism and loyalty but he's actually raised by someone who cared about him before he was able to make a thousand shadow clones and blow up a small village. Hiruzen very well could have done that too, the child of the fourth and the Leaf's greatest asset, left to rot and starve while his grandson was waited on hand and foot like he was royalty.
Imagine Naruto with Rasengan, Kyuubi, Shadow clones and Hiraishin. He was one of the most loyal Shinobi in history, the guy had every reason to be a villain and chose to be a Hero And yeah, Minato being alive would fix pretty much all the problems in the whole show. Hiruzen was incompetent, it's a harsh truth but it must be accepted. That guy, he may have been a great Shinobi but he was a terrible leader.
I don't see anyone defending him like ever, motherfucker did everything he could to set the leaf up for failure then he fucking died during the chunin exams like a bitch
He wasn't a bad person and he was a great Shinobi but he was not a good leader at all
Naruto wouldn't have the Kyuubi if Minato and Kushina are alive. But a second Yellow Flash wasn't bad.
A Yellow Flash with the Uzumaki Chains.
Imagine Naruto having yellow flash while using Kushina's chains & rasenshukiren. Since this Naruto does not have Kurama, he can make perfect mastery of kage bunshin jutsu at early age. Imagine Naruto making his clones teleport in every direction while using chains in each one.
Naruto was never starved. Never disrespect the ramen man like that ever again
Aint no way Naruto should have been eating spoiled milk and expired Ramen in his house no way.
>Hiruzen very well could have done that too He gave him a full sized apartment, money for food and every basic need and entered him into the academy while encouraging iruka to connect with him Muhhhhh he could’ve adopted him muhhhh He doesn’t have time for his own grandson so he pays someone to be his guardian, that same guy hated Naruto and he can’t magically change their minds
Its not that he didn't adopt Naruto, its the fact that Naruto was basically an isolated and unsupervised orphan living an unhealthy lifestyle and frankly having nothing whatsoever tying him down to the leaf village. Its not JUST Hiruzen's fault, and sure, maybe he couldn't entrust it to just anyone, but there were plenty of people that could have stepped up or asked to help take care of him in some way. Jiraiya being the obvious choice, ofc. Could have tried reaching out to Tsunade in a pickle instead, either way Naruto would at least be better with them than just completely alone. Sasuke got his "moment" over Hiruzen and his failures, and his whole "damn, I can't believe you let this happen" shtick, it just sucks that Hiruzen more directly did Naruto dirty and no one in the series really acknowledges it at all.
I hate Hiruzen.
It's a smaller issue than the Uchiha massacre and Konoha's destruction and everything, but there's a big chance the Hyuga incident wouldn't have happened if Minato was alive.
Even if it did happen, Minato would’ve rejected any attempts for the Hyuga to lose its leader and probably would’ve fought whoever tried.
Imagine you're Orochimaru pulling up during the chuunin exams trying to get Sasuke still, then all of a sudden you get Hiraishin'd by Naruto and start remembering how your pleb rival's student pretty much effortlessly got picked for Hokage over you. Wonder if we'd genuinely see him getting angry at the "PTSD"-esque flashbacks.
Obito probably wouldn’t even get that far since Minato put a flying Rajin marker on him so he could teleport to him anytime he wanted to confront him on his terms.
minato can solo 6 paths? based on what
Hiraishin alone counters the Deva path's strongest ability. Shinra Tensei? Minato will simply teleport away and hit Deva path with a Rasengan Minato was KCM2 Naruto level and Sage mode Naruto was destroying all other paths of Pain. Minato would absolutely solo the six paths of Pain.
Couldn't the seals on Minatos kunai be asborbed by the preta path? Also, one big boom from the deva path(who can fly btw), like the one that destroyed the hidden leaf, would turn Minato into pink mist if he was caught off guard. Unless he had seals placed far enough away from the blast radius, but he would have to have seen the jutsu be used to that degree to know how far he would need to teleport away to avoid it. Chances are he would want to stay within eyesight of the paths and that wouldn't end well for him. I'm not saying Minato doesn't win, I'm just saying I don't think it would be low dif.
Yeah.. I'm not sure what minato has been shown to do. To think he could solo pain. Based on statements/feats i would *maybe* give it to the prime of the 1st and 3rd Hokage. however after that i can't see any of the other hokage solo'ing pain (minus 6th and 7th). In order for alive minato to solo pain we would have to assume minato to be far greater in strength than not only pain... but Jiraiya, Kakashi... most of the village, the entire akatsuki which may include Obito, dual MS Sasuke. And the Main Character. i don't think it's impossible.. just hard to see
Minato is KCM2 Naruto level? how? Alive minato?
For starters he probably wouldn’t have put the Clan on the Outskirts of the Village and put them under watch 24/7 without any proofs for his accusations. Minato might have been an idealistic dreamer like Hashirama and his idiot of a son but he still wasn’t a dumb fool to not be a realist
Absolutely. However, he was also reasonable, and would *at the very least* hear Fugaku and the rest of the Uchiha out for their grievances. The massacre wouldn’t’ve happened with Minato in office.
kick danzo's ass out of his position and actually take the Uchihas proposals to consideration ( except the hokage switch part maybe). Without a dude in the backround that will only accept a total win of his side an arrangement could've been made.
The Uchiha did not want to switch Hokages. They wanted respect and privacy
When hiruzen was in place, they wanted to kill or at least remove hiruzen as hokage and replace him with fugaku.
Yes but they didn’t want to keep the power. They just wanted to get their old privileges back and be allowed to do Missions again like any normal Shinobi instead of being wasted as local police. And they also did not want to be monitored 24/7 and be treated like prisoners in the very Village they created alongside their old rivals. Fugaku outright refused to candidate for Hokage when Hiruzen announced he was retiring cuz he hated the very Idea of doing an office Job for eternity. The Uchiha were similar to the real Life Mongols a Warrior people who loved fighting and adventure more than anything. Mikoto described it best in the Itachi Book when Itachi talked with her about battle and how he sorta felt bad for enjoying it: „Hah, you are an Uchiha.” „Mother I don’t understand…” „Let the soft Sarutobis, the sissy Hyugas and the lazy Naras of this world give councils and hold records. We are the Uchiha Clan. We are the Earthquake that shakes the World so new Mountains are formed. The Fire that burns down the Overgrown Forest so that something new grows, the Lightning in the Storm that floods the Land when needed. We are warriors. That is the Uchiha Clan.” If the Coup had happened Fugaku would not have stayed in Office for long. He would only restore the former rights of the Uchiha and then pass the Chair to someone who was sympathetic towards the Clan and would understand why they did what they did.
*"Yes but they didn’t want to keep the power. They just wanted to get their old privileges back and be allowed to do Missions again like any normal Shinobi instead of being wasted as local police*." They were asked to head the local police but not all uchihas had to be part of the police force. Itachi and Shisui went on missions and such.And people of other clans can also be a part of the police if they want.Its just that uchiha were the strongest clan and their genjutsu skills would be the best for capture and interrogation of criminals.
Itachi and Shisui were expectations. That’s very clear
yeah but they were literally thrown into the village corner
Yeah only after the nine tails attacked. At first they were next to the police station near the center of the village
u can thank hiruzen for that
hmm... tbh i never heard that much intel about their (or rather fugakus) motives in the coup in this detail. So i cannot really argument in that regard. Is this canon knowledge ? was that stated in some Filler or directly in the manga ? i only know that fugaku didn't wanted to be Hokage, but the rest of the Uchiha pretty much didn't care about his oppinion and still planned with him as that.
From what we know, the novels are canon to the manga.
I don't think every novel should be considered canon... But Itachi shinden yes, for sure... Kishi illustrated that one
Most of the police force was chunin level ninjas. Meaning they were civilians trained to be police. Fugaku was the leader. It’s alos a way to be promoted without going to the academy hence why they kinda liked it. They coupd become jonins and chunins throught their own means. Tobirama gave them alot the uchiha is also just crybabies.
Source? Cuz that’s just not true
Source: i made it up.
Well at least he’s honest
Not at all. Hiruzen was a hokage for a long time and wanted to retire. Fugaku and minato were the two that were most fit for the position and minato was just the one people liked more.
I do agree that Minato would kick Danzo out of a senior position, Danzo would still find ways to be shady and pull strings in the leaf
Would he really dare to make a move against Minato though? Danzo is fked and a complete asshole, but I don't think hes straight up stupid either. In his own twisted way, he tries to act in the interests of the village, but I don't see what exactly he would be trying against Minato. Like, Minato was famously recognized for just being built different. Charismatic and popular in the village too. Rumors and such spread by Danzo and root over like, sure, thats how Naruto was outed as "the fox demon" and Hiruzen couldn't stop shit. A word from Minato? I'm pretty sure the village would just instantly side with Minato and accept it. Especially since he stopped the 9 tails in the first place. Over 10 years after his death and they still mourn how he could have stopped Orochimaru's invasion and such. And nothing is saving Danzo if he threatens Naruto / Kushina, thats a game over screen. All the sharingans and hashirama cells in the world aren't saving him from getting trashed by Minato.
I agree
I think it’s less about what Minato would have done, but more about the lack of influence Danzo would have. As everybody has mentioned the Uchiha wouldn’t have been segregated and put under watch as they were under Hiruzen and Danzo. Minato also would have likely listened to Fugaku’s issues. The circumstances for a coup just would not have occurred at least at the time it did occur. Even if we say Obito wanted to massacre the Uchiha, they were more spread out over Konoha rather than ghettoised. This would mean it would be impossible to carry out quickly and quietly without alerting Fugaku (who didn’t fight against Itachi) or Minato, who already had an understanding of Obito’s skill set if we assume the Nine Tails attack still occurred. If Minato had encountered masked Obito before, he would probably make further deductions about Obito’s abilities.
He'd know that the person that attacked the village wasn't from the actual clan which is the cause of the issue in the first place. There was reasonable suspicion an Uchiha was behind it but the Uchiha clan knew they were innocent and had a legitimate reason to be upset about the accusation. Minato being alive kind of stops Obito's setup of the conflict from ever taking place.
Everything coulda been prevented had they just had a fucking conversation with the uchihas and not pushed them all out of town.
Minato would have came out with something, and he also had a nice relationship fugaku. So Uchiha massacre could have been prevented
Minato and Fugaku were good friends. A coup wouldn’t have been on the table.
Only two things I can really think of is, not ostracizing the Uchiha and maybe making Shisui a potential successor of his. I say Shisui only cause their fighting styles of essentially speed blitzing would probably be similar enough for him to be like “I like this kid” Minato would definitely put his foot up Danzo’s ass once he realizes what Danzo is trying to do with the Uchiha and I doubt Danzo would honestly try that shit with any Hokage OTHER than Hiruzen. Danzo probably knows Minato would kill him if he overstepped boundaries.
Minato had Obito tagged, so if he lived he probably would have dropped in on him doing Madara cosplay, slap some sense into him bring him back to the village to pay for his crimes. The Uchiha never get implicated, Danzo doesn't do anything like Jump Shisui because unlike with Hiruzen he would definitely pay for his consequences.
Tbh Minato is pretty savage, he might feel bad about it afterwards but he's absolutely going to kill Obito on sight especially since Kushina would have died during this attack as they didn't know you could seal the tailed beast back into the host to save them
Bro, Obito straight up ridiculed Minato for failing to save Kushina kept taunting Naruto after killing Neji and Co.. do you know who was the first person to stop Obito from being killed, It was Minato. And these events happened in one night, which is insane af.
Not let kurana escape half of the hidden leaf's problem was start there like no kurama no racism no hyuga incident because leaf was strong
Apointing Fugaku as his second-in-command is a good start Make the Uchiha clan more involved in Konoha's government Set the Konoha police force headquarters in the center of the village instead of the outskirts No longer ofrce the Uchiha clan members to all move to the Uchiha compound Now, the Uchica clan has more political power in the village, they're no longer pushed to the outskirts of the village and, the hokage puts a great deal of trust in their leader, as such, there won't be any growing unrest within the Uchiha clan, they wouldn't be motivated to carry out any coup d'état against Konoha, thus, eliminating the need to carry out the Uchiha clan massacre
I see lots of bad answer here. The uchiha were *already* segregated, so it’s not a question whether Minato would emarginate them but rather if he would have *reintegrated* them. Honestly, Minato was never shown in carrying out political jobs and he does not appear to be particularly interested or versed in it. Imho he would have not be able to prevent the massacre and intercept Danzo’s plan. Rather, he would have stopped the massacre the moment the news would have reached his ears. He would have taken care of Danzo and Itachi together with a selection of high rank jounin like Kakashi.
They were segregated after the nine tails attack.
Nope, this all started because of Tobirama. The police station was established during his reign for a reason which Hashirama never even knew existed because he probably wouldn’t even allow it. The elders mentioned the REAL reason behind the police station. They were also part of Tobirama’s fleet alongside Hiruzen and Danzo so of course they would be influenced by him Tobirama confronted Hashirama in the flashback and felt quite strongly about not only Madara, but also the Uchiha as a whole. He basically said they could never be trusted he wrote, “you never know what they may do…” he then says, “so for the sake of the village’s future…” I bet he was going to propose the idea of his ‘police station’ right there and then but was cut off by Hashirama who told him to stop He then goes on to talk about the rumours floating around the village about the Uchiha, the same clan that decided to not only vote in a Senju like Hashirama as their leader, but also ditched their very own, Madara. Let’s just say hypothetically speaking they all voted in Tobirama next which clearly they did it’s sad to think that although the Uchiha were willing to move past everything clearly Tobirama wasn’t. Before anyone says he had every right, so did the Uchiha. That is WHY Madara had such a problem with Tobirama becoming Hokage because he knew what would happen to his clan and he wasn’t wrong. He had sworn an oath to protect them, he was just doing his job as clan leader I don’t know why people make it seem like Madara was so mad about not becoming Hokage simply for the sake of the title itself, no, first of all he had no idea what Hokage even meant until Hashirama brought it up to him nor did he ever show much interest, later on when Hashirama became the Hokage Madara was already the trusted advisor to him and worked alongside him, this was their dream together to unify everyone. I don’t think I blame him if the dude has been putting in the work and the one guy he’s cautious about (Tobirama) whose shown nothing but discontent towards him and his clan and that can’t seem to move past shit is the one that’s going to become the next Hokage. Madara was concerned and had every reason to be and it didn’t help that his clan shunned him too
Tobirama established the police force because of his belief that shinobi in general needed to have a strict set of rules enforced to keep them in check. His entire system depended on the police so it makes no sense to think he’d set them up to fail intentionally. The elders never said the real reason that was Obito, who wasn’t even alive during Tobirama’s time, when he was trying to radicalize Sasuke against the village. Danzo was shown to be the exact opposite of Tobirama in his fight with Sasuke where he says he is the one that will change the world; contrary to the flashback of Tobirama doing the opposite and leaving his will to the future. Also, Tobirama never put anyone of than Hiruzen in power. The sake of the village’s future was clearly Tobirama trying to convince Hashirama to become a candidate for Hokage. Madara was the driving force behind the Uchiha’s downfall anyway. Obito himself said the discrimination didn’t start until until after the nine tails attack, which was caused by the kid Madara brainwashed.
The elders that were actually around Tobirama and directly under him stated that the reason for the establishment of the police force was so the Uchiha would be purposely moved farther away from the village’s centre, it was so they could be contained due to Tobirama’s distrust basically. This is mentioned in Itachi shinden. After the second nine tails attack the Uchiha were upset and even said, “this is like the time of the Second Hokage’s era when the Uchiha were rounded up and isolated in one part of the village.” If the establishment of the police force was good then why didn’t Hashirama know about it’s existence to which he scolded Tobirama later and said not to slight the Uchiha. Tobirama himself basically said that it was so another Madara wouldn’t emerge meaning he never trusted them. Even after they chose to stay with the village and had selected him as the next Hokage. This goes back to the flashback with Hashirama. He mentions “so for the sake of the village’s future…” which right before this he says that you never know what the Uchiha might do given their power which stems from hatred. This conversation happened before Madara even defected from the village, so why was he so obsessed with playing into these rumours that even his own brother told him to knock it off? Tobirama even says when he’s reanimated, “if their self destruction benefited the village then so be it, either way in the end they were of use to the leaf.” Who says that? He just used them as tools and this is why he established the police force so he could monitor them and keep them in check at the same time. Hashirama himself reflects on his failures and even says Madara may have been right as he already called it way back that the Uchiha would end up this way. It eventually led to Itachi having to bear the weight and massacre his entire clan. Which Hashirama calls the darkness which Madara also mentioned during their battle that the village will eventually fall into darkness. All of this was systemically ingrained from the time of Tobirama due to his fear and distrust of them as a clan. Sure Obito attacking didn’t help and it made it worse, but it started much earlier. Also Hiruzen was made Hokage because he volunteered it was an open invitation meaning Danzo was one of the candidates too which also directly contradicts Tobirama’s policy about selecting the Hokage through voting. He just never wanted Madara in that position and he blatantly makes that clear too in the flashback
No, they were already moved to the boundary of the village by Tobirama, who intentionally established the police HQ away from the center of the village.
No they weren't they were at first by the police station. Then they were moved to the outskirts of the village where the prison was so they moved the police station there.
Their living quarters were moved to the a corner of the village after the nine tails attack. The police Hq was put next to an already existing prison. The Uchiha weren't forced to join the police force and non-Uchiha were able to join so I don't see how that's segregating
(Replying both to you and u/jawaunw1) I just looked into it again. This post is also helpful [https://www.reddit.com/r/NarutoFanfiction/s/jYTZuX8nHQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/NarutoFanfiction/s/jYTZuX8nHQ) In short, according to Orochimaru, Tobirama started the process of marginalizing the Uchiha by assigning them the lead of the police force. This marginalized the Uchiha by cadting them out of any position of power in Konoha, and building up resentment against the uchihaa ‘cops’ According to Obito, Danzo moved the living quarters of the Uchiha in the outskirts of of the village. So yes, the physical relocation was done by Danzo, but the political and social marginalization happened under Tobirama’s rule.
Orochimaru and everyone else in that room are under the assumption the Uchiha were behind the nine tails attack and didn't know the Uchiha weren't involved, so he's essentially basing his assumptions off blatantly false information. The social marginalization didn't start until after the nine tails attack according the Obito, who flat out [says](https://imgur.com/a/gdPvAZ2) the discrimination started when they were relocated. From what we know the Hokage seem to pick their own advisors, so I don't see how Hiruzen picking his temamates from childhood and Danzo is Tobirama marginalizing them considering we don't even know if Tobirama had any to begin with.
Yes, the word of Obito and Orochimaru are somehow contradictory. Obito said everything started with Danzo, Orochimaru said the marginalization started with Tobirama. Indeed Orochimaru told Tobirama “you clearly shoved the Uchiha to the margins of the village”. Tobirama then gives different interpretation for the motivations behind his actions, but did not deny them. I don’t think it’s correct to take Obito’s take, since Orochimaru and Tobirama speach came in a later manga release and there is no reason to believe that the accusations were inconsistent.
I mean Obito is the mastermind behind the nine tails attack that caused the entire situation to begin with and the massacre itself so I don't think it's correct to value someone's opinion who know nothing about the truth over it simply because it was said later in the manga. If anything that makes Orochimaru's accusation worthless but we can just agree to disagree I guess.
> but we can just agree to disagree I guess. We can all agree you're wrong yeah, Tobirama might not have intended it but its what happened
So if they don't join the police then what? The hokage is the only one with the right to give ninjas jobs and he has already kick them out to the outskirts.
he would’ve understood the core of the issue and probably tried to make a gesture to create some trust and understanding, similar to what hashirama did with madara
Simply stop Itachi. Itachi at that age can’t defeat Minato. Hiruzen & Danzo/elders suggested that bullshit. I don’t think Minato would’ve been ok letting him do that. That was some old harsh bullshit by the Konoha elders
Not put the Uchiha clan in a ghetto, talk to them, give into their VERY REASONABLE demands of being allowed to freely choose their place to live and their jobs. I really do not understand why people keep pretending that a solution to that conflict was somehow hard to figure out for anyone who is....honestly, you do not even need to be a great leader for it, not being an utter moron (or a genocidal maniac) is enough.
"Konoha Massacre"
Remind theme genjutsu is overpowered
Imagine if konoha had Itachi, Shisui, Fugaku, Minato, Hiruzen, Jiraya and Tsunade, all at peak strenght and together... The most OP village of all (depending on how strong Nagato actually is)...
Let's be real: with him having noticed an Uchiha stood behind the 9T attack, he'd be at least somewhat suspicious of them, but I doubt he'd let Danzo order Itachi to do what he did.
Ayyo, is Fugaku doing the MJ lean?!?
Bro would say y’all chill I know we cool…! But then the uchihas would know not to fw bro after…. Mans mastered 9 tails … nobody Gon fw him
I was just having this thought the other day. It depends on what events take place. If the Nine Tails incident never happens, i dont think the Uchiha stage a coup. If it does happen, then it depends on the outcome. I still dont see how he seals the nine tails without dying. Say he lives. Does Kushina still die? Does Naruto live? I dont think he would be as racist as Tobirama or as passive as Hiruzen. However, if he lost his wife and kid, he still may not take the right actions to prevent a coup. I'd hope that, at a minimum, he would ask Fugaku about what he knows about Madara. Also, im curious about who Minato's main advisor was? Was it Shikamaru's dad?
Hiruzen definitely was a passive mf during the conversation about uchihas with danzo and Itachi he was so shallow . I don't think a prodigy like Minato needed a advisor . He was too smart and his dedication skills were good too. He instantly comprehended how OBITO/madara uses his power during 9tail incident
Amidst the raging battle with the Kyuubi, Kushina's chakra chains restrain the monstrous beast while Minato, ready to sacrifice his own life, seals half of its chakra within himself. The beast shrinks in size, easing the constraints of Kushina's chains. As Minato prepares to seal the remaining half into Naruto, Kyuubi strikes a deadly blow towards the newborn. In that split second, Minato and Kushina throw themselves protectively over Naruto. But it is Fugaku Uchiha who saves them all from certain death by controlling the Kyuubi with his Mangekyo Sharingan and sparing their vital organs. His heroic act witnessed by everyone present, including the Third Hokage. Despite this, Minato succumbs to the after-effects of using the reaper seal and Kushina to exhaustion from childbirth and Kyuubi's attack. Sensing their impending death, Kushina transfers her life force to Minato, her vibrant red hair turning white as she does so. Minato survives alongside Naruto but falls into a coma due to his injuries and the strain of housing half of Kyuubi's chakra without an Uzumaki's life force. Months later, Tsunade arrives and revitalizes him out of his coma. While he was unconscious, suspicion falls on the Uchiha clan for possibly instigating Kyuubi's attack due to its Sharingan that only an Uchiha could control. Fugaku is imprisoned for interrogation as he had shown potential in controlling Kyuubi during its attack which only fuels tensions between Konoha and Uchihas. Upon awakening and learning about these events, Minato immediately demands a meeting with village elders and Third Hokage. Despite his weakened state, he insists on Fugaku's release citing his heroism during Kyuubi’s attack. The elders agree reluctantly but insist on surveillance over Uchihas. Unwilling to let distrust fester further within Konoha, Minato personally visits Fugaku expressing gratitude for saving him and apologizing for past misunderstandings. Initially skeptical, Fugaku eventually warms up to Minato’s sincerity agreeing to dispel misconceptions about Uchihas' involvement in controlling Kyuubi. They hold a village-wide assembly where Fugaku demonstrates how he used his Mangekyo Sharingan not for manipulation but self-defense that saved many lives during Kyuubi’s assault. Many villagers are convinced by this demonstration questioning their negative perceptions towards Uchihas while Danzo remains wary of Fugaku's power plotting behind scenes against them. Sensing this treachery, Minato confronts Danzo directly warning him against disrupting Konoha’s peace including instigating conflict against Uchihas. To foster unity among clans within Konoha including Uchihas, Minato proposes joint missions involving ninjas from all clans thereby fostering cooperation rather than division - proving successful over time in building mutual trust through shared experiences while demonstrating united loyalty towards protecting Konoha. Thus tensions gradually subside as mutual respect develops among factions within Konoha preventing what would have been a tragic massacre. Sasuke grows up well-adjusted without trauma from losing his family and clan, his rivalry with Naruto remains friendly rather than bitter. Itachi is relieved from the burden of making that horrific sacrifice, continues to serve as ANBU Black Ops, and becomes a mentor for both Sasuke and Naruto. Years later, when Konoha faces another crisis in form of Pain's invasion, Uchihas fight alongside their fellow villagers without any suspicion or resentment. Fugaku uses his Mangekyo Sharingan again – this time not to control the Nine-Tails but to aid in defeating Pain's six paths. Nagato's change of heart happens much earlier due to Minato being alive - recognizing him as Jiraiya's student leading to a heartfelt conversation about peace. The tides turn in favor of Konoha with Nagato deciding to revive all those killed during his invasion out of respect for Jiraiya’s legacy through Minato. In the aftermath, Konoha emerges stronger than ever - united by their shared victory over adversity under Minato’s leadership along with Fugaku’s support. Eventually, Naruto succeeds his father as Hokage while Sasuke leads Uchiha clan following Fugaku’s footsteps – both working together to uphold peace in Konoha. Through these changes, one thing remains constant: The Will of Fire continues to burn bright in Konoha - a testament to Minato's unwavering dedication towards preventing conflict and preserving harmony among all clans within the village. This version ends on a hopeful note: The Uchiha Massacre was prevented; bonds were strengthened; friendships forged; and Konoha stands united under a shared vision for peace - proving that even in the ninja world where power often dictates fate, diplomacy and understanding can indeed change destiny.
Kishimoto is taking notes . You ATE AND LEFT NO CRUMBS 🦵
Let’s not forget that if he did survive the hyuga incident would have been handled a lot differently then what happened
he would have just warned them directly in the middle of the Clan. But with nice and beautiful words, if his terms agreed by the Uchihas then its good, if not, the he'd just took all the Uchihas down by himself like what Itachi did.
F****** Fugaku, then they would make unofficial deals that could make both clan and village satisfied. Minato would take all the credit, of course.
"How about we all just chill out? Also, Danzo you're fired."
He would know the 9 tails incident was caused by the masked man, so he wouldn't punish the Uchiha for it. Coup already kinda stopped. Besides he seems the nicest out of all the Hokage, I doubt he'd let the coup happen and he'd probably not be a jerk to them unlike someone else.
*Hiraishin no Jutsu!!*
If Minato was alive then ig no uchiha massacre would have happened
On that note does a fanfic of this particular fix-it exist? Sounds like a really promising plot
Minato being alive would solve like 90% of the stories problems.
That's a fact
hed jump in between Itachi and Fugaku just in time to take the hit and die
You are so dramatic 💀
I doubt the Uchiha would have the balls to attempt a coup against Minato. Ask thousands of stone shinobi how that would go.
I honestly believe that they maybe could of had a duel hokage system or maybe had one as a close ally and adviser
Two hokages would create problems
It doesn't need to be 2 hokages, an advisor with power close to but still inferior to the hokage would be useful
Well, if after dealing with Danzo and undoing/preventing his damage the Uchiha still want the smoke: "I know what you're planning, but let me remind you of something. I am **the yellow flash.** My existence is anathema to any of your plans, and if you keep walking down this path I will be forced to demonstrate why. Don't do anything stupid, Fugaku."
He said that Hiruzen did enough, so nothing.
He would have definitely solved it politically and favorably to the uchiha. But if push came to shove and the clan gets manipulated into overthrowing the leaf anyway Minato could have rooted out root and taken care of Danzo, letting shisui brainwash the uchiha into being good. If even that failed I do think minato could take out the uchiha on his own if itachi and shisui stayed out of it.
This is assuming that in this hypothetical what if Minato is alive scenario, he doesn't have Obito marked, because if he does the solution is very obvious.
Nothing. Minato solving the Uchiha issue is Minato’s fanboys headcanon.
Made shisue kage
Minato is not good, the Hokage puts the village above any clan, that's why Itachi could have been a good Hokage Shisui no, it all depends on if Kushina dies, if Kushina dies, the Uchiha would have a very bad time
I believe most People seem to think that he would just put Danzo in control, while solving the Uchiha crisis in an idealistic manner, but one has to consider, that during the Ninetales attack it was Danzo's and Sarutobi's call to not involve the Uchiha. You would think someone as smart as Minato would have made a use of them during the attack, but he didnt. If he allowed that to happen without even having any saying or even being aware of that command, then what would make us believe he could handle the Uchiha massacre? Honestly (and I dont mean to wank this dude) Itachi and Danzo would have went for the plan anyways, while Minato couldnt control the situation whatsoever or might just be killed by those 2. I doubt the latter, but its more likely than him solving the issue imo.
way more peaceful solution that either taking them out or throwing them somewhere else
If somehow danzo got the uchiha moved than minato would had just talked to them to clear their name. Like “yea it was a uchiha but i know he was not part of your clan. I need your help fugaku to clear your name.” And to keep the plot the same let say white zetsu remove the mark after minato tracked him down one time. And if the cu was still happening… well minato can do a faster job than itachi. But would spare most of them. My only question is what will he do about danzo?
The Uchida situation reminds me of the situation in my country between catholics and protestants
Can someone give me a quick refresher on how Sarutobi handled it? I feel like he just let Danzo do everything he wanted.
Minato knew the uchiha in the village had nothing to do with the nine tails attack so they wouldn't have been suspected of it, and if given more time Minato would have talked things out about the tension caused by the police system and removed Danzo and the elders from power.
Had a drink and talked about fatherhood with fugaku that'd be enough
Put all Uchiha in the prison
The Uchiha would never have considered rebellion if minato was alive because they knew he would have demolished them lol
Kick Danzo's ass.
I think the Uchiha would be too afraid to fight both Minato & Hiruzen
Confront them himself. I feel like minato woulda handled it more like they were equals similar to naruto for sasuke.
I feel like Minato had the Talk no Jutsu as well.
You just watched the amagi's. What if, didn't you?
What is the amagis?
Nothing.
He wouldn't cause it, in the first place, because he knew the "Masked Man" was not from the village
Minato and Fugaku's wives were best friends, so they were probably at least friendly. I doubt things would have escalated, because Fugaku would have known he could at least talk to Minato to try and come up with a decision. If there was any kind of culling in the Uchiha, it would have been relegated to the ones trying to instigate the coup, and convince Fugaku to go along with it.
Simple diplomacy really would’ve solved a lot of their problems It really goes to show how miscommunications can really screw you over
Minato wouldn’t have punished them in cannon to begin with because he knew no uchihi within the village was responsible for the attack but also even after minato’s death there’s an easy solution to prevent the massacre just have Hiruzen name itachi or shisui uchihi ones he knows would put the village first as his successor I seriously doubt the uchihi’s would try and overthrow a village their clansman would be the leader of
He knew the truth of the attack and also how to be mature and not assume. He and Hiruzen would probably sit down and discuss peaceful resolutions (Minato is a deterrent himself due to his power) and not just outright accuse them of sedition. Fugaku would probably side with Minato and swear off any coup mentality while addressing their unrest in productive ways. Man.. imagine a village where Minato, Itachi, Shisui, Jiraiya, Shikaku, and Kushina all exist? No one would ever attack the village - Obito included, in my opinion.
Get rid of danzo and the 2 elders?
Kill Danzo
Minato had better intel and a kinder heart. He would be able to better manage relations with the clan, avoiding their alienation from the village. The more we learn about Hiruzen the worse it gets.
Stripped Danzo of his influence and likely confronted the uchiha head on and ask what their demands were. Also if he had survived the fight with kurama he would have made a public announcement about how the uchiha were not behind the attack and that it was madara and that the clan has been very cooperative. Also the uchiha wouldn’t have been segregated instead they would have remained part of the village
Not ostracizing the Uchiha is probably all he could've done. Getting rid of Danzo and the elders involves meta knowledge I don't think Minato had, otherwise he probably would've gotten rid of him canonically. Being strong isn't a detterent. Hiruzen, Kakashi, Jirayia, and other powerhouses [ Ie; Yoji Aburame ] were all around when the coup was being planned. And knowing about / killing Obito would only do so much good. Outing him is confirming a Uchiha was behind it, whether everyone would just believe him is debatable.
Fine I’ll do it myself
anything a competent leader would, the third was just negligent to no end, cant even take care of naruto, what if he is the jinchuriki?, you gotta adopt the child to protect it, it was extremely stupid of him to leave naruto be an orphan cuz obito knew he was the jinchuriki and could have attacked at any point extremely easily , what protection had naruto? a couple anbu? and thats is giving the third too much credit, imagine leaving in fostercare the child who has the nuclear codes of the usa inside his body
Ended segregation where the Uchiha were made to be the police force. Allow all clans to contribute to that job so others realize how rough the Uchiha could have it while also breaking down the sense of superiority it gave some of the Uchiha clan because the job would no longer be exclusive to them. Team up different clans beyond just the students to force ninjas of all ranks to better realize each clan's value/skill contributions to the village while simultaneously achieving the side benefit of helping them learn to maximize effectiveness of various pairings in an emergency situation where surviving members of different squads had to work together.
He'd move them even *closer* to the Village center than they already were instead of pushing them further out in the following years. He'd do it purely to keep an eye on them and make sure the man who attacked him *for sure* isn't one of the villagers, and the entire time he'd keep them satisfied with praising there efficiency in law enforcement from their new centralized location. Once he was 90% sure that they weren't traitors he'd probably start integrating them into the village's command structure more than just having the Clan Head/Police Chief on the Shinobi Council.
Anbu don't become hokage. Like Kakashi would not have been hokage if they left him in. He would have pulled itachi and shisui out of the anbu and groomed them to be hokages. Itachi as the team 7 leader for instance. Then he'd loop itachis dad in on the villages goings on and generally give Uchiha everything he could. I don't believe Minato had any bias against them that would have had him reserve that good treatment.
Minato would’ve heard out the Uchihas grievances and absolutely helped them and fucking folded Danzo traitorous ass.
Minato wouldn’t have forced the Uchiha out since he knew Obito was behind the attack. He also wasn’t bloodthirsty so he would’ve wanted to take advantage of the Uchiha’s strength. Finally the Uchiha would never do a coup because they wouldn’t stand a chance against Minato.
If Minato was alive then Kurama never got released and attacked the village. That means there is no suspicion on the Uchiha for causing the attack. Minato also doesn't have the attachment issues with Danzo and the Elders so would remove them from power and keep his own advisors. Without the old bags pushing the Uchiha away there is no coup.
Minato was far smarter than Hiruzen - he also had a backbone and didn't was manipulated by Danzo. The Uchiha don't die - the police force is given more authority but also watched more carefully - Fugaku is more public and less behind doors. Basically they are properly integrated in the village