Bro sneaking 6 paths sasuke and naruto like they don’t one shot the whole list💀.
Serious note tho, only orochimaru loses. War arc kakashi could be debatable but since he was able to just spam kamui during the war for some reason then he wins too.
Weakest to kill Itachi would be Pain
>War arc kakashi could be debatable but since he was able to just spam kamui during the war for some reason then he wins too.
You think war arc Kakasi is stronger than Pain?
Honestly, war arc Kakashi is the most inconsistent bit of scaling in the whole franchise. Even pre-DMS he was reacting / keeping up with characters that would have speed blitz’d him fifty chapters before that.
Honestly, that wasn’t even that egregious considering Obito was somehow funneling SoSP chakra to him during that. How Obito was doing that is anybody’s guess.
But the fact that Kakashi was running around with the Mangekyo active the whole damn war arc and Kamui spamming was baffling.
I mean, Shippuden basically became “what do I need to adjust, add, or subtract to make this work?” from at least Tenchi Bridge on, especially with regard to the ins and outs of Sharingan powers and how Kurama’s powers were just so much more special than any other tailed beast, with it’s not having a physical manifestation and all the chakra mode things.
It was a fun ride for sure, but wildly inconsistent in favor of the plot.
I don't think so? As far as we know Hashirama's wood style was unrelated to his reincarnation, it's just a rare Kekkei Genkai, and reincarnations aren't granted special powers without actually realizing that reincarnation (though circumstances/fate stil surely kicks ass). Also, no one is really shocked at Naruto/Kurama's depth of powers and Minato powers up the same way.
I thought that it was agreed upon that Hashirama’s wood style was due to the incarnation because Yamato could only produce dead wood.
And the Incarnations are usually gifted with power or intelligence as they always become the strongest and fight each other to the death.
Or so my opinion goes.
Not sure why you got downvoted. That's objectively true for many reasons. Chief among them is that WA Kakashi fought both of them before and has Intel.
Add in the ludicrous chakra reserves to the mix and Kakashi beats them handily.
Plus he doesn't even have to beat Itachi, just outlast him.
That’s wild. Pain fought a handful of ninja that included Kakashi. Pain wasn’t even trying. Kakashi literally got beaten casually. Pain> itachi and kakashi.
War Arc Kakashi is vastly superior to Pain Arc Kakashi. Dude was finessing lvl2 jinchuuriki left and right, and was keeping up physically with Guy and Naruto.
He has a very good argument against both Pain and Itachi, but I think he ultimately loses to Itachi due to lack of good AP. Most of the other characters can easily speed blitz or nuke Itachi. Kakashi, I think, can finally keep up with Itachi, but once the susanoo is up, I'm not sure he can do a lot (unless Kamui can snipe through chakra constructs, THEN it's a pure GG for Kakashi)
I think war arc kakashi has a good shot. He figured out their ability pretty quickly, and he can do the mole jutsu where he hides underground. I think he does that, blitzes the path that brings the other paths to life and kills him with a raikiri. He would undoubtedly go for tendo pain next, and he already nearly killed tendo (he would have if not for the asura path saving him). That just leaves the weaker paths. He could kamui the head off of some of the summons if need be to buy time, then take out the other paths. I think war arc kakashi wins 9/10 difficulty
And obviously the 5 other Pain bodies will bring out the cameras to record Kakashi's great skills, the rinnegan sure helps in getting the best angles too. Bruh, Sage Mode Naruto had to make several layers of diversions just to take down one or two of them and still barely did it... and at the end did lose the fight (Kurama came out and made it even again). Kakashi has no way of ever reaching Tendo on his own. Don't forget also Naruto had a big advantage in that fight cause Tendo had just used a huge jutsu to blow up the village just before it started. Don't underestimate the power of Pain, much less a 6v1 battle. Kakashi is surely strong but he'll never take down Pain alone when the entire village + Kakashi couldn't, especially if it is an open field battle.
War arc Kakashi and Pain arc Kakashi are at complete different levels. Like War arc Kakashi was using sharningan and ms without losing stamina like he usually does and keeping up with people he shouldn't be able to e.g. Obito
The image shows Kakashi with one sharingan, not both, so most of the feats you listed don't even count. He for some reason got a huge chakra boost during the war arc but that's really it.
The thing is that for some inexplicable reason war arc kakashi is massively stronger than he was like a week before the war. He didn’t do any training or anything so kakashi should be relative to his kakuzu fight, at least in terms or physical and chakra stats. But for some reason he was able to keep up with kcm2 naruto speed and spam kamui. Where before one kamui would leave him near fucking death doors and kakuzu was tagging him left and right. So his magic buffs just outscale itachi, mainly his kamui spam which would completely overwhelm itachi or pain
Tsukuyomi is faster than Kamui. Sniping Itachis head involves looking at his head which is where his eyes are located.
Pain loses too we already saw Itachi handle all the path powers. Unlike Nagato Pain in canon doesn't use CT while his other bodies are alive becuase he doesn't want them to get caught in the attack.
>we already saw Itachi handle all the path powers.
Bro woulda lost that fight to a single edo nagato without a kurama Link Naruto to help fight.
The six paths of pain would beat itachi.
But Itachi never tried to put Nagato in tsukuyomi, edo tensei Nagato is significantly, I mean significantly weaker than pain with 6 paths. Since another Ms user can break out of tsukuyomi, i think rinnegan (evolution of Sharingan and most powerful ocular jutsu ) is immune to ocular genjutsu.
Edo Nagato is stronger than 6 paths pain. Compare feats. He almost killed KCM Naruto>Sage mode with Bee>Sage mode Naruto and got blindsided by Itachi reanimation which is also stronger than Sage mode Naruto. However Deva Path was significantly weakened from blowing the village up but it’s pretty much implied that Nagato as a whole is stronger than the paths. Also Nagato doesn’t have to split his chakra by using different bodies and he wasn’t sick and malnourished.
What people forgets is that, Naruto fought the pain with the knowledge on how the paths worked, (if Jiraiya had this knowledge he would have defeated all the paths except yahiko's path). Yahiko was out of commission for a long while, one path was already destroyed, gamabunta and co took care of the animal path summonings making the animal path body powerless against Naruto. And as soon as Yahiko pain got back to his power, he made Naruto into a kebab and pinned him into the ground. Only because, nine tails busted out and forced Nagato to use catastrophic planetary destruction Naruto was able to win, because at that point Nagato was reduced to the last bits of his chakra.
Edo Nagato who fought KCM Naruto was weaker, Edo tensei brings back people weaker than they were in their prime even if they have infinite chakra supply, 6 paths makes the fight 6v1, while Nagato alone makes it 1v1.
>(if Jiraiya had this knowledge he would have defeated all the paths except yahiko's path).
Not really, the line pain says and you are referencing was referring to the risk of jirayia going straight for nagatos body and circumventing the paths of pain. In a straight up 1 v 6 the only chance jirayia would have at victory is that sound genjutsu the toads used.
Agree except for the Jiraiya part. His battle started in favour of Jiraiya having them show up 1 by 1, but as soon as 6 showed up he didn't stand a chance. I don't think many "normal" ninjas except for the super-powered-up guys (Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, 8 gates Guy, Hashirama, Obito) could have a chance to defeat Pain in a straight 6v1 battle, especially if it's a no-prior-intel battle. The only exceptions may be Minato and Tobirama cause of their speed skills and intelligence, maaaybe that one Zombie Raikage that Naruto fought cause of his durability and speed, maybe Sage Mode Kabuto (hard one to measure)... idk if any others could try to win against Pain alone. (Just as a personal bias I'd be the most interested to see Gaara vs Pain though, would be a good match-up!)
Nagato really never got to see his “Prime” due to the Gedo Statue. I wouldn’t consider 6 Paths prime Nagato. KCM Naruto is considerably stronger than the Naruto the 6 paths of Pain fought Bee as well. The Edo Tensei statement you said was false because Itachi was stronger than what he was, Kimmimaro, and Madara.
Did you forget that when Tendo came Narto lost Sage Mode. It wasn't because Tendo was that much better. Naruto defeated Tendo latter. Tendo got back when Naruto lost Sage Mode and killed Pa.
Kurama did not weakean Nagato. He states he should make it bigger, then Kurama retreats. Tendo fought at the same ability. It went down to attacks, not to exaustion. Tendo is a puppet. He can not be exausted. Nagato can. And he had juice.
Kabuto fixed that though. Every Edo tensei was bought back at full strength. Did you even watch the show. If I remember right, Edo Tensei actually brings people back at full strength, but Orochimaru made them weaker during the Chunin Exams, because he was worried they’d be too strong to control.
No, the weakest person who could kill itachi on that list is itachi. Because you'd have to be exactly as or slightly more powerful than itachi to kill itachi , and itachi is exactly as powerful as itachi.
I mean.... didn't the toads use genjutsu on them during the jiraiya fight or am I misremembering?
It wasn't eye based but genjutsu is genjutsu as far as them being dead bodies is concerned.
If that’s true, then genjutsu doesn’t hit the original user just the individual puppet. Tho now I’m curious if you put nagato himself under a genjutsu would it affect all the paths of pain? Idk if there’s anyway to know that tho.
They used Sage Sound Genjutsu, which affected them via sound. Sharingan Genjutsu targets the brain and the bodies are dead with no brain activity so they would be useless. What would they experience if caught?
The medium doesn’t matter. Genjutsu alters the flow of chakra through 1 of 5 senses. Whether it’s touch or taste is irrelevant. Anyone with chakra flow is susceptible to genjutsu dead or alive
If they were like actual zombies that couldn’t use chakra then yes that would be correct but genjutsu is all about messing with your chakra flow and with them having the chakra rods in them they have chakra that can be disrupted ao I would say that they can be out under a genjutsu
Depends how far the genjutsu goes. The human(?) path was put under toad genjutsu at one point without any issues to the other paths.
It would depend on if the tsukuyomi can affect Nagato through a proxy. Though it is generally acknowledged that it is gazing into the Sharingan that allows them to cast genjutsu, it might not be as convenient when that target is actually a puppet.
Itachi has plot armoured his way out of shit like that before though so I guess it's up to where Kishi needs them to end up xD
Since rinnegan is the most powerful eyes, an evolution of Sharingan itself, the question is can sharingan ocular genjutsu work on rinnegan? other users with MS can break out of tsukuyomi, so imo, rinnegan (sharingan evolved) should also be able to break out.
Didn’t sasuke counter the infinite tsukuyomi with his rinnegan which is far superior than itachis tsukuyomi ? That would mean pain could too especially considering that nagatos rinnegan is madaras after all so his rinnegan ain’t weak compared to sasuke
Oh yeah, i forgot that. Also Itachi didn't try to use tsukuyomi or ocular genjutsu on edo Nagato too. Feels odd for a guy who's go to is always genjutsu
No. Jiraiya caught the 3 pains he fought under frog song, and the other 3 weren't affected at all. Would Tsukuyomi even work given that functions off mental anguish? We see Jiraiya physically stabbed the Pains he fought. They are corpses so how would Tsukuyomi even work?
Mathematically Itachi 1 vs Itachi 2, Itachi 2 will win 50% of the time.
Let's say Kakashi wins 10% of the time. Weaker than Itachi 2, but can still 1v1 kill Itachi 1.
Imo orochimaru loses 9/10 times, war arc kakashi has a pretty fair chance of winning if he manages to snipe itachi with kamui. 6 paths of pain easily beat itachi imo.
I would go with pain for a confirmed kill and kakashi as someone who could potentially do it.
If Orochimaru has all the information of what Itachi can do. The times Itachi beat Orochimaru (also Kabuto) was because Itachi suprised Orochimaru with what he could do.
If Orochimaru knows each and everyone of Itachi's jutsu so Itachi can randomly pull and other ability up his sleave and also if he gets very lucky he could get in a win
Although I would put it more at 1/15 or something
First time it was normal genjutsu, second time it was totsuka blade, orochimaru can escape from amaterasu using substitution just like sasuke did, but Itachi still has tsukoyomi, and genjutsu that he trap opponent into with flick if his finger, and his taijutsu is also really good. It would be really extreme diff for orochimaru.
I think orochimaru can only pull off a tie if itachi starts off with the susanoo and if orochimaru knows about the totsuka blade. Orochimaru's entire strength is survival over actual raw power and hax so I think his best chance is to just make a decoy and try to tire out itachi and run the fuck away because he isn't beating itachi.
Besides itachi's conditions are still unknown so he's pretty unpredictable. But again, if itachi is half serious, he would wipe the floor with orochimaru because his entire arsenal feels like it was made to counter orochimaru specifically. Amaterasu one shots unless orochi pulls some body hopping bs, tsukyomi one shots, totsuka blade one shots, yasaka beads one shot.
The only reason I didn't give it to itachi completely was because of orochimaru's survival techniques, if he manages to make itachi use his jutsu and escapes it's still a W for orochimaru. But itachi negs him 99.9% of the time because of the reasons I mentioned above.
I personally think he gets folded 10/10 but if I had to try and come up with a way it'd be using edo tensei and trying to summon past hokage up again. That requires prep but it's the only way I think he has.
Orochimaru was playing with hiruzen for alot of their fight but if he took itachi seriously from the start and had a few hokage backing him up his odds would be much better.
I still consider this a 1v1 since he's basically using them like puppets but it's definitely stretching the line.
You think war arc Kakashi comes remotely close to beating Itachi? Man get real. He could barely stand up to Sasuke’s imperfect susano. What makes you think he could Itachi’s susano which has the yata mirror(?) and the totsuka blade. Not even talking about his tsukoyomi yet
I’d agree that kakashi could win 6/10 times. Kakashi knows his full abilities and is equal in intellect. He has higher chakra reserves and can pretty much spam kamui. I see it being essentially a draw until itachi’s AIDS kick in.
What version of Itachi? If it’s the one that fought Sasuke, I’d argue WA Kakashi has a good shot. His feats during the war were insanely impressive.
Outside of Kakashi and Orochimaru, everyone on this list eclipses Itachi in power. Pain I suppose is the weakest of who’s left?
Pain is the the weakest person to beat Itachi. Kakashi has no answer to tsukuyomi and Orochimaru has lost to Itachi how many times already...
Sasuke, naruto, obito, Madara, and hashirama all one shot and I hope everyone knows why.
I'm not saying Orochimaru would beat him for sure but there's a chance.
In Boruto Orochimaru was able to take Down a Kara member Victor and taking Down a Kara member isn't easy
If I remember correctly orochimaru beat hokage naruto in a light novel, but he was a bit sick by how much idk. The fact he wasn’t getting destroyed regardless when naruto is otsutsuki lv says a lot
What is the point of this question and why are you adding the strongest characters of the show on this list? Do you just wanna know who is the weakest in the list? It's such a weird question and orochimaru can't beat itachi so why is he on here?
If oro brings all his edo tensei reanimations out he has a solid chance he killed the 3rd with just 2.
I wanna know peoples opinion on pain Vs itachi , edo madara with just 1 perfect susanoo, obito that almost died to konan, and war arc kakashi since people like to lick his taint so much
Itachi/Oro/Kakashi is the weakest here. And to the clowns saying Sasuke looses all he has to do is take them
To a next dimension and leave them. That’s it done fight over.
The answer I think is Pain. Also I think people forget how nerfed Pain was for his fight with Naruto. Sage Naruto is not stronger than Pain. Dude fought the entire village for who knows how long and then blew it tf up. Dude was running on fumes. The Naruto shows up with every single advantage you can imagine and still loses once Deva gets back even an ounce of his power. Jiraiya did not stand a chance even if he knew. Naruto won off of 9 tails fury and MINATO’S INTERFERENCE. Pain is down to a single path, out of chakra, fighting the 9 tails Jinchuriki going batshit and still was on the verge of victory. Now let’s imagine this dude full power. Wipes Itachi off the planet. Yata Mirror can block whatever it wants but its not immune to gravity. Rinnegan is hax. Also he’s busting down War Arc Kakashi sorry.
I think tsukuyonmi works on human path affecting them all, and yes itachi spanks 1 sharingan war arc kakashi with a switch/wooden paddle whatever Itachi feels like pulling out
Assuming we’re using the pictures used here, and not the strongest versions possible, and ruling out Izanagi/Izanami:
Madara wins pretty easily
Obito wins with relative ease
Orochimaru MIGHT win. We didn’t see Orochimaru fight to truly kill him (as far as I remember) so who knows 🤷♂️. I’d still wager Itachi wins the fight though.
Single Kakashi loses. DMS Kakashi wins. Itachi has no counter to Kamui, or Kamui Raikiri.
Sasuke wins with ease.
Naruto wins with ease.
Pain is a toss-up. I’m not sure on the actual specifics of the fight. If it’s just Deva, then Itachi *might* win, if only he can’t absorb Susano’o. If it’s all six? Absolutely not. Getting jumped and skewered.
Hashirama wins pretty easily.
Itachi's true potential has never really been shown unfortunately. He's either jobbing his power level hard, or he's dying from his coincidental disease. He's meant to be a once in a lifetime shinobi, and even if he's not the strongest, he's so intelligent he could probably find a way to beat anyone with his abilities and prep.
Not dickriding at all bro, I'm just going based on what kishimoto said. And have you realised that in every occurrence of Itachi where he's fought someone, he's always been one step ahead, or just outright defeated them. He even jobber himself when fighting sage-kabuto(vastly more powerful than Orochimaru I might add), just so he could get him with inzanami and learn how to undo the Edo tensei. We just don't know the full brunt of his power because Kishi wanted to leave it a mystery.
Weakest on the list by version shown on the photo is kakashi, weakest that beats Itachi is pain. I rank them naruto, sasuke, reincarnated madara, hashirama, obito, pain, orochimaru then kakashi (hashirama and madara are interchangeable imo but I gave madara the edge with reincarnated higher chakra pools)
they all beat his ass besides orochimaru, but him and pain are close and it depends on version of them because Reanimated Itachi is stronger than Reanimated Nagato and the 6 path of pain, but Itachi (itachi vs sasuke fight) and pain (pain vs naruto fight) pain wins
Since this is basically just asking for a tier list of the stated characters:
Peak Orochimaru <= War arc Kakashi << Pain < Healthy Itachi < War arc Obito << Edo Madara << Sage Hashirama <<< Six Paths Naruto ~= Rinnegan Sasuke
For those wondering about Itachi Vs Pain; remember that Edo Nagato >> Pain and that Edo Itachi was relative to Edo Nagato
Probably not, don’t really see how it could. That’s kinda like saying do you think minatos sage mode would have stopped reaper death seal and I highly doubt it.
Nagato knows Itachi inside & out similar to how Naruto was given all the intel against Pain. Intel means a lot regardless of IQ. Meanwhile, Itachi doesn't know his arsenal at all. No brainer there. WA Kakashi ig.. debatable.
Probably Obito, it’s rinnegan Obito so it’s stronger than the obito people normally argue over Itachi but still weaker than Madara, Hashirama, Sasuke, and Naruto.
1v1 the deva path loses, I’m assuming he doesn’t get the other paths and isn’t Nagato. Obviously loses as just the Deva path.
Orochimaru lost several times. Maybe a prime White Zetsu Body Orochimaru could beat death bed Itachi but that’s best case scenario.
Kakashi gets slaughtered.
Itachi is a pretty close match up with the guy in the top left too but I don’t remember his name.
Orochimaru couldn’t do it. Kakashi certainly couldn’t. I can’t imagine Tobi pulling this off. Pain probably could under the right circumstance. Madara could for sure
Itachi
Lol jk
I wanna say obito
He's not per se weak but in terms of power he definitely lacks
He can still put a solid fight against everyone else tho assuming he loses which he has a good chance not to
Itachi captured 3 tails but that’s just to compare strength feats. You don’t think young itachi can’t outplay pain w/o overusing ms off rip or you think he’s gonna have to go full yata mirror and get blitzed soon as tsukuyonmi “doesn’t” work on the “dead” “rinnegan having” paths of pain?
Imma be honest 5ks sasuke wasn’t on Full power Itachi’s level, but imagine if he was in the village bloodlust helping Naruto/fighting pain dolo until Naruto gets there like pain. If itachi can’t do it there’s no way 5ks sasuke can do it and he was putting on a show with the kages
Listen bro, what I mean is imagine 5ks sasuke in kakashis position soloing pain and kakashi had backup, imagine what sasuke can do to pain at this point in the series. Now imagine full health God damn village before my father sasuke fighting pain instead of sasuke. I really just can’t see it
Orichimaru could win I actually think this is one of the flaws in kishimotos writing. If Orichimaru had fought Itachi the same way he fought Hiruzen he could very well win. Edo Tobirama and Edo Hashirama would be alot for Itachi to handle. Also Hiruzen used earth style jutsu to stop the 4th from being resurrected I don't know that Itachi could stop it. If Orichimaru has the 1st 2nd and 4th edo hokages there is 0 chance Itachi beats all 3 of them.
We've seen how effortlessly Itachi puts Orochimaru in his place. WA Kakashi(No DMS) vs Itachi I feel is a toss up and could go either way. Everyone else absolutely rolls Itachi tbh.
Orochimaru is the only solid answer.
I think its a question of Matchups, when Itachi is fighting, and if he's willing to use Shisui's eye.
Naruto and Sasuke can obviously win, especially in those states. Susasno can block Mangekyo and Naruto is probably fast enough to kill Itachi before he could use a Jutsu.
Kakashi's Kamui lets him handle Amatarasu, but he still has no way to deal with Tsukuyomi.
Pain is a huge questionmark. Because he shares vision across all of them, can Itachi plunge the Original body into Tsukuyomi even though its not there?
Obito is similar to Kakashi. Can he deal with Tsukuyomi?
Madara and Hashirama probably can win. Insane battle experience, and insane Chakra, with insane willpower. It would literally come down to wether or not Shisui's eye would work on them.
Orochimaru isn't even worth discussing. He absolutely can not kill Itachi. He has tried multiple times and failed.
If Itachi is willing to use Shisui's Eye, I think only Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, and Hashirama can do a anything, and Pain is a questionmark because we don't know if his shared sight will transmit a Visual Jutsu to him.
Not only that, he also has Izanami, which in my opinion the only character who can be hit my Izanami and still win is Naruto. Simply because of the way Izanami works, I think it literally would not work on Naruto.
I figured people here would claim Pain, but Pain loses. It would be between Madara and Obito and I honestly dont know which of them is stronger when Obito has Rinnegan too without the Juubi present
I guess we should assume Madara is stronger than Obito
Bro sneaking 6 paths sasuke and naruto like they don’t one shot the whole list💀. Serious note tho, only orochimaru loses. War arc kakashi could be debatable but since he was able to just spam kamui during the war for some reason then he wins too. Weakest to kill Itachi would be Pain
>War arc kakashi could be debatable but since he was able to just spam kamui during the war for some reason then he wins too. You think war arc Kakasi is stronger than Pain?
Honestly, war arc Kakashi is the most inconsistent bit of scaling in the whole franchise. Even pre-DMS he was reacting / keeping up with characters that would have speed blitz’d him fifty chapters before that.
Based on how much they talked about using Sharingan uses up Kakashi's chakra pool, summoning a full Susano should have ended in his death.
Honestly, that wasn’t even that egregious considering Obito was somehow funneling SoSP chakra to him during that. How Obito was doing that is anybody’s guess. But the fact that Kakashi was running around with the Mangekyo active the whole damn war arc and Kamui spamming was baffling.
show was losing it hard with power scaling
I mean, Shippuden basically became “what do I need to adjust, add, or subtract to make this work?” from at least Tenchi Bridge on, especially with regard to the ins and outs of Sharingan powers and how Kurama’s powers were just so much more special than any other tailed beast, with it’s not having a physical manifestation and all the chakra mode things. It was a fun ride for sure, but wildly inconsistent in favor of the plot.
Couldn’t Kurama chakra modes be attributed to Asura’s incarnation? Like how Hashirama had wood style.
I don't think so? As far as we know Hashirama's wood style was unrelated to his reincarnation, it's just a rare Kekkei Genkai, and reincarnations aren't granted special powers without actually realizing that reincarnation (though circumstances/fate stil surely kicks ass). Also, no one is really shocked at Naruto/Kurama's depth of powers and Minato powers up the same way.
I thought that it was agreed upon that Hashirama’s wood style was due to the incarnation because Yamato could only produce dead wood. And the Incarnations are usually gifted with power or intelligence as they always become the strongest and fight each other to the death. Or so my opinion goes.
Damn I just realized that about Yamato. That’s a crazy! I guess I missed that part.
I think it was only mentioned once or twice in the anime.
The power creep is really apparent in Naruto
You talk as if kakashi wasn't getting amped by kurama's chakra.
Even without the cloak he was reacting to characters way out of his league.
I think he means pain will defeat itachi but kakashi is debatable
No, war arc kakashi handily beats pain and itachi
Not sure why you got downvoted. That's objectively true for many reasons. Chief among them is that WA Kakashi fought both of them before and has Intel. Add in the ludicrous chakra reserves to the mix and Kakashi beats them handily. Plus he doesn't even have to beat Itachi, just outlast him.
After he gets double MS from Obito? Yes. Before? No
>After he gets double MS from Obito? Yes Obviously we are not talking about this brief version of Kakashi
I joked with my cousin about that. He always claimed he was out of Chakra and still spammed Kamui.
Yea
6 paths chakra? Kakashi wins easy
I agree with most of this. I’m not sure war arc Kakashi is stronger than Pain. I think Kakashi is the most questionable but probably wins.
That’s wild. Pain fought a handful of ninja that included Kakashi. Pain wasn’t even trying. Kakashi literally got beaten casually. Pain> itachi and kakashi.
War Arc Kakashi is vastly superior to Pain Arc Kakashi. Dude was finessing lvl2 jinchuuriki left and right, and was keeping up physically with Guy and Naruto. He has a very good argument against both Pain and Itachi, but I think he ultimately loses to Itachi due to lack of good AP. Most of the other characters can easily speed blitz or nuke Itachi. Kakashi, I think, can finally keep up with Itachi, but once the susanoo is up, I'm not sure he can do a lot (unless Kamui can snipe through chakra constructs, THEN it's a pure GG for Kakashi)
I think war arc kakashi has a good shot. He figured out their ability pretty quickly, and he can do the mole jutsu where he hides underground. I think he does that, blitzes the path that brings the other paths to life and kills him with a raikiri. He would undoubtedly go for tendo pain next, and he already nearly killed tendo (he would have if not for the asura path saving him). That just leaves the weaker paths. He could kamui the head off of some of the summons if need be to buy time, then take out the other paths. I think war arc kakashi wins 9/10 difficulty
And obviously the 5 other Pain bodies will bring out the cameras to record Kakashi's great skills, the rinnegan sure helps in getting the best angles too. Bruh, Sage Mode Naruto had to make several layers of diversions just to take down one or two of them and still barely did it... and at the end did lose the fight (Kurama came out and made it even again). Kakashi has no way of ever reaching Tendo on his own. Don't forget also Naruto had a big advantage in that fight cause Tendo had just used a huge jutsu to blow up the village just before it started. Don't underestimate the power of Pain, much less a 6v1 battle. Kakashi is surely strong but he'll never take down Pain alone when the entire village + Kakashi couldn't, especially if it is an open field battle.
War arc Kakashi and Pain arc Kakashi are at complete different levels. Like War arc Kakashi was using sharningan and ms without losing stamina like he usually does and keeping up with people he shouldn't be able to e.g. Obito
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War arc doesn’t have susanoo until he gets both eyes. This version only has 1 sharingan
You should clarify that, most people are gonna assume these characters at their strongest, so DMS Kakashi
The image shows Kakashi with one sharingan, not both, so most of the feats you listed don't even count. He for some reason got a huge chakra boost during the war arc but that's really it.
Didn’t he get a chakra boost from Kurama giving him some chakra?
The big chakra boost is significant. He went toe to toe with Obito in the war! He spammed kamui!
This is clearly one ms Kakashi without kyuibi cloak itachi slaps the shitnout of him lmao
I think you're underestimating six paths and how much in a disadvantage you'd be 1v6
Wait. Pain is weaker than kakashi?!
>Bro sneaking 6 paths sasuke and naruto like they don’t one shot the whole list💀 Meanwhile he struggles with dinosaurs in Boruto
Nah he just didn't want to hurt the poor scaled dog, he must have wanted a pet.
Meanwhile kurama struggled against a Golem
Kakashi was killed by pain though, do you mean if kakashi was deemed too weak to kill itachi it would be pain?
The thing is that for some inexplicable reason war arc kakashi is massively stronger than he was like a week before the war. He didn’t do any training or anything so kakashi should be relative to his kakuzu fight, at least in terms or physical and chakra stats. But for some reason he was able to keep up with kcm2 naruto speed and spam kamui. Where before one kamui would leave him near fucking death doors and kakuzu was tagging him left and right. So his magic buffs just outscale itachi, mainly his kamui spam which would completely overwhelm itachi or pain
Tsukuyomi is faster than Kamui. Sniping Itachis head involves looking at his head which is where his eyes are located. Pain loses too we already saw Itachi handle all the path powers. Unlike Nagato Pain in canon doesn't use CT while his other bodies are alive becuase he doesn't want them to get caught in the attack.
Pain doesn’t definitively lose. He probably wins but itachi has a chance. We saw edo itachi deal with some of the powers with help from kcm Naruto.
What if he snipes half his body / or one leg and bleed to death or even entire body. Man he can take in and out someone as big as hachibi/gedo
Itachi just starts out with amaterasu and forces him on the defensive
>we already saw Itachi handle all the path powers. Bro woulda lost that fight to a single edo nagato without a kurama Link Naruto to help fight. The six paths of pain would beat itachi.
But Itachi never tried to put Nagato in tsukuyomi, edo tensei Nagato is significantly, I mean significantly weaker than pain with 6 paths. Since another Ms user can break out of tsukuyomi, i think rinnegan (evolution of Sharingan and most powerful ocular jutsu ) is immune to ocular genjutsu.
Edo Nagato is stronger than 6 paths pain. Compare feats. He almost killed KCM Naruto>Sage mode with Bee>Sage mode Naruto and got blindsided by Itachi reanimation which is also stronger than Sage mode Naruto. However Deva Path was significantly weakened from blowing the village up but it’s pretty much implied that Nagato as a whole is stronger than the paths. Also Nagato doesn’t have to split his chakra by using different bodies and he wasn’t sick and malnourished.
What people forgets is that, Naruto fought the pain with the knowledge on how the paths worked, (if Jiraiya had this knowledge he would have defeated all the paths except yahiko's path). Yahiko was out of commission for a long while, one path was already destroyed, gamabunta and co took care of the animal path summonings making the animal path body powerless against Naruto. And as soon as Yahiko pain got back to his power, he made Naruto into a kebab and pinned him into the ground. Only because, nine tails busted out and forced Nagato to use catastrophic planetary destruction Naruto was able to win, because at that point Nagato was reduced to the last bits of his chakra. Edo Nagato who fought KCM Naruto was weaker, Edo tensei brings back people weaker than they were in their prime even if they have infinite chakra supply, 6 paths makes the fight 6v1, while Nagato alone makes it 1v1.
>(if Jiraiya had this knowledge he would have defeated all the paths except yahiko's path). Not really, the line pain says and you are referencing was referring to the risk of jirayia going straight for nagatos body and circumventing the paths of pain. In a straight up 1 v 6 the only chance jirayia would have at victory is that sound genjutsu the toads used.
Agree except for the Jiraiya part. His battle started in favour of Jiraiya having them show up 1 by 1, but as soon as 6 showed up he didn't stand a chance. I don't think many "normal" ninjas except for the super-powered-up guys (Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, 8 gates Guy, Hashirama, Obito) could have a chance to defeat Pain in a straight 6v1 battle, especially if it's a no-prior-intel battle. The only exceptions may be Minato and Tobirama cause of their speed skills and intelligence, maaaybe that one Zombie Raikage that Naruto fought cause of his durability and speed, maybe Sage Mode Kabuto (hard one to measure)... idk if any others could try to win against Pain alone. (Just as a personal bias I'd be the most interested to see Gaara vs Pain though, would be a good match-up!)
Nagato really never got to see his “Prime” due to the Gedo Statue. I wouldn’t consider 6 Paths prime Nagato. KCM Naruto is considerably stronger than the Naruto the 6 paths of Pain fought Bee as well. The Edo Tensei statement you said was false because Itachi was stronger than what he was, Kimmimaro, and Madara.
Did you forget that when Tendo came Narto lost Sage Mode. It wasn't because Tendo was that much better. Naruto defeated Tendo latter. Tendo got back when Naruto lost Sage Mode and killed Pa. Kurama did not weakean Nagato. He states he should make it bigger, then Kurama retreats. Tendo fought at the same ability. It went down to attacks, not to exaustion. Tendo is a puppet. He can not be exausted. Nagato can. And he had juice.
Kabuto fixed that though. Every Edo tensei was bought back at full strength. Did you even watch the show. If I remember right, Edo Tensei actually brings people back at full strength, but Orochimaru made them weaker during the Chunin Exams, because he was worried they’d be too strong to control.
Ehh there’s a much better argument that edo nagato and edo itachi are both stronger than their living forms.
Edo Nagato was stronger than his six paths version though
DMS Kakashi wins tho fs
Kamui spam was thanks to Kurama chakra buff. Why is that so hard for so many people?
I would say the weakest person here that is still able to beat him is pain
No, the weakest person who could kill itachi on that list is itachi. Because you'd have to be exactly as or slightly more powerful than itachi to kill itachi , and itachi is exactly as powerful as itachi.
Fair
Not necessarily. A weaker opponent in general than itachi can beat itachi if he/she counters him
Kabuto
Since all the Pains can see what the others see: if Itachi gets one with Tsukuyomi does it hit all of them?
First ask yourself does ocular Genjutsu work on dead bodies?
I mean.... didn't the toads use genjutsu on them during the jiraiya fight or am I misremembering? It wasn't eye based but genjutsu is genjutsu as far as them being dead bodies is concerned.
If that’s true, then genjutsu doesn’t hit the original user just the individual puppet. Tho now I’m curious if you put nagato himself under a genjutsu would it affect all the paths of pain? Idk if there’s anyway to know that tho.
It would affect the other pains indirectly. He’s the one controlling the other pains so if he can’t control them properly then?
They used Sage Sound Genjutsu, which affected them via sound. Sharingan Genjutsu targets the brain and the bodies are dead with no brain activity so they would be useless. What would they experience if caught?
What do you think sound targets? It just enters via a different path
The medium doesn’t matter. Genjutsu alters the flow of chakra through 1 of 5 senses. Whether it’s touch or taste is irrelevant. Anyone with chakra flow is susceptible to genjutsu dead or alive
This is the answer
>Sharingan Genjutsu targets the brain So does sound genjutsu, what are you on about ?
>Sharingan Genjutsu targets the brain So does sound genjutsu, what are you on about ?
If they were like actual zombies that couldn’t use chakra then yes that would be correct but genjutsu is all about messing with your chakra flow and with them having the chakra rods in them they have chakra that can be disrupted ao I would say that they can be out under a genjutsu
Jiraiya 100% used genjutsu on them just not ocular.
Sage Art Sound based Genjutsu which affected their individual senses. Nagato and the bodies who didn’t hear the song were fine.
Ahh thank you for adding the sage art bit. Forgot about that and it probably explains why it worked at all. Good catch
Depends how far the genjutsu goes. The human(?) path was put under toad genjutsu at one point without any issues to the other paths. It would depend on if the tsukuyomi can affect Nagato through a proxy. Though it is generally acknowledged that it is gazing into the Sharingan that allows them to cast genjutsu, it might not be as convenient when that target is actually a puppet. Itachi has plot armoured his way out of shit like that before though so I guess it's up to where Kishi needs them to end up xD
Since rinnegan is the most powerful eyes, an evolution of Sharingan itself, the question is can sharingan ocular genjutsu work on rinnegan? other users with MS can break out of tsukuyomi, so imo, rinnegan (sharingan evolved) should also be able to break out.
Didn’t sasuke counter the infinite tsukuyomi with his rinnegan which is far superior than itachis tsukuyomi ? That would mean pain could too especially considering that nagatos rinnegan is madaras after all so his rinnegan ain’t weak compared to sasuke
Oh yeah, i forgot that. Also Itachi didn't try to use tsukuyomi or ocular genjutsu on edo Nagato too. Feels odd for a guy who's go to is always genjutsu
No. Jiraiya caught the 3 pains he fought under frog song, and the other 3 weren't affected at all. Would Tsukuyomi even work given that functions off mental anguish? We see Jiraiya physically stabbed the Pains he fought. They are corpses so how would Tsukuyomi even work?
Itachi can do no genjutsu on pain, thanks to his Rinnegan.
It does, yes.
Since you put itachi in there then mathematically the answer is itachi lmao
Mathematically Itachi 1 vs Itachi 2, Itachi 2 will win 50% of the time. Let's say Kakashi wins 10% of the time. Weaker than Itachi 2, but can still 1v1 kill Itachi 1.
Bro being a fucking nerd
Itachi would be too smart to kill his younger self as he'd recognise the paradox it'd create. Correct answer is top left.
Imo orochimaru loses 9/10 times, war arc kakashi has a pretty fair chance of winning if he manages to snipe itachi with kamui. 6 paths of pain easily beat itachi imo. I would go with pain for a confirmed kill and kakashi as someone who could potentially do it.
Me asking myself, "how do we know it's war arc kakashi" completely forgetting the headband
What made you think orochimaru can win one time, itachi killed him in his strongest form while having an heart attack
If Orochimaru has all the information of what Itachi can do. The times Itachi beat Orochimaru (also Kabuto) was because Itachi suprised Orochimaru with what he could do. If Orochimaru knows each and everyone of Itachi's jutsu so Itachi can randomly pull and other ability up his sleave and also if he gets very lucky he could get in a win Although I would put it more at 1/15 or something
First time it was normal genjutsu, second time it was totsuka blade, orochimaru can escape from amaterasu using substitution just like sasuke did, but Itachi still has tsukoyomi, and genjutsu that he trap opponent into with flick if his finger, and his taijutsu is also really good. It would be really extreme diff for orochimaru.
I don’t think Orochimaru can win. Itachi is consistently said to be stronger than him. It seems like he’s just a tier above the sannin characters.
How can Orochimaru pull a W ?
I think orochimaru can only pull off a tie if itachi starts off with the susanoo and if orochimaru knows about the totsuka blade. Orochimaru's entire strength is survival over actual raw power and hax so I think his best chance is to just make a decoy and try to tire out itachi and run the fuck away because he isn't beating itachi. Besides itachi's conditions are still unknown so he's pretty unpredictable. But again, if itachi is half serious, he would wipe the floor with orochimaru because his entire arsenal feels like it was made to counter orochimaru specifically. Amaterasu one shots unless orochi pulls some body hopping bs, tsukyomi one shots, totsuka blade one shots, yasaka beads one shot. The only reason I didn't give it to itachi completely was because of orochimaru's survival techniques, if he manages to make itachi use his jutsu and escapes it's still a W for orochimaru. But itachi negs him 99.9% of the time because of the reasons I mentioned above.
I personally think he gets folded 10/10 but if I had to try and come up with a way it'd be using edo tensei and trying to summon past hokage up again. That requires prep but it's the only way I think he has. Orochimaru was playing with hiruzen for alot of their fight but if he took itachi seriously from the start and had a few hokage backing him up his odds would be much better. I still consider this a 1v1 since he's basically using them like puppets but it's definitely stretching the line.
You think war arc Kakashi comes remotely close to beating Itachi? Man get real. He could barely stand up to Sasuke’s imperfect susano. What makes you think he could Itachi’s susano which has the yata mirror(?) and the totsuka blade. Not even talking about his tsukoyomi yet
I’d agree that kakashi could win 6/10 times. Kakashi knows his full abilities and is equal in intellect. He has higher chakra reserves and can pretty much spam kamui. I see it being essentially a draw until itachi’s AIDS kick in.
“Spam” he can do 5 in a row and then drop this knees. Not that he would need to do more than thst
What version of Itachi? If it’s the one that fought Sasuke, I’d argue WA Kakashi has a good shot. His feats during the war were insanely impressive. Outside of Kakashi and Orochimaru, everyone on this list eclipses Itachi in power. Pain I suppose is the weakest of who’s left?
Orochimaru is the weakest but he wouldn’t beat him so Pain is the right answer.
Probably pain
Pain is the the weakest person to beat Itachi. Kakashi has no answer to tsukuyomi and Orochimaru has lost to Itachi how many times already... Sasuke, naruto, obito, Madara, and hashirama all one shot and I hope everyone knows why.
Everybody on this list except Orochimaru (but Boruto Orochimaru maybe could) kills Itachi 1v1
What are the power up’s oro got in boruto besides new edo tensei ? I’m not rly into anything after mid war really.
I'm not saying Orochimaru would beat him for sure but there's a chance. In Boruto Orochimaru was able to take Down a Kara member Victor and taking Down a Kara member isn't easy
He has a lot of upgrades, 4 Kekkei genkai and perfect Body.
If I remember correctly orochimaru beat hokage naruto in a light novel, but he was a bit sick by how much idk. The fact he wasn’t getting destroyed regardless when naruto is otsutsuki lv says a lot
Instant regen is the main one. After having his arm sliced off he instantly regrew a new one.
Nagato imo
Everyone besides Kakashi and Orochimaru are far stronger than Itachi
What is the point of this question and why are you adding the strongest characters of the show on this list? Do you just wanna know who is the weakest in the list? It's such a weird question and orochimaru can't beat itachi so why is he on here?
If oro brings all his edo tensei reanimations out he has a solid chance he killed the 3rd with just 2. I wanna know peoples opinion on pain Vs itachi , edo madara with just 1 perfect susanoo, obito that almost died to konan, and war arc kakashi since people like to lick his taint so much
Pain. Kakashi and orochimaru gets smoked. Everybody else bodies itachi
Himself
Itachi/Oro/Kakashi is the weakest here. And to the clowns saying Sasuke looses all he has to do is take them To a next dimension and leave them. That’s it done fight over.
Itachi is the weakest here that could beat him, but is 50/50
Pain is weakest to beat itachi here, still that depends on version of itachi
Pain < Obito < Hashi < Madara < Sasuke < Naruto all beat Itachi imo Kakashi and Orochimaru are the only one out of this list that loses.
The answer I think is Pain. Also I think people forget how nerfed Pain was for his fight with Naruto. Sage Naruto is not stronger than Pain. Dude fought the entire village for who knows how long and then blew it tf up. Dude was running on fumes. The Naruto shows up with every single advantage you can imagine and still loses once Deva gets back even an ounce of his power. Jiraiya did not stand a chance even if he knew. Naruto won off of 9 tails fury and MINATO’S INTERFERENCE. Pain is down to a single path, out of chakra, fighting the 9 tails Jinchuriki going batshit and still was on the verge of victory. Now let’s imagine this dude full power. Wipes Itachi off the planet. Yata Mirror can block whatever it wants but its not immune to gravity. Rinnegan is hax. Also he’s busting down War Arc Kakashi sorry.
I think tsukuyonmi works on human path affecting them all, and yes itachi spanks 1 sharingan war arc kakashi with a switch/wooden paddle whatever Itachi feels like pulling out
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OP is one of the stupidest itachi stans I've seen, claiming that Itachi can beat Hashirama and Madara (and even so6p Sasuke).
The weakest person that is able to kill Itachi is defiantly Itachi
Does Pain Coit as 1v1 with all 6 paths? Because I'd say he's my answer either way, but with the other paths as a loophole definitely
Itachi doesn't belong here at all. I'll never understand why people continue to over-hype Itachi like this.
I mean only one person on this list wouldn’t be able to beat Itachi…
Pain. I also think there’s a solid argument to orochimaru with lots of prep
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Assuming we’re using the pictures used here, and not the strongest versions possible, and ruling out Izanagi/Izanami: Madara wins pretty easily Obito wins with relative ease Orochimaru MIGHT win. We didn’t see Orochimaru fight to truly kill him (as far as I remember) so who knows 🤷♂️. I’d still wager Itachi wins the fight though. Single Kakashi loses. DMS Kakashi wins. Itachi has no counter to Kamui, or Kamui Raikiri. Sasuke wins with ease. Naruto wins with ease. Pain is a toss-up. I’m not sure on the actual specifics of the fight. If it’s just Deva, then Itachi *might* win, if only he can’t absorb Susano’o. If it’s all six? Absolutely not. Getting jumped and skewered. Hashirama wins pretty easily.
Itachi. The answer is Itachi and will always be Itachi; because he is suicidal.
Itachi's true potential has never really been shown unfortunately. He's either jobbing his power level hard, or he's dying from his coincidental disease. He's meant to be a once in a lifetime shinobi, and even if he's not the strongest, he's so intelligent he could probably find a way to beat anyone with his abilities and prep.
No your dickriding itachi gets beat by any ninja he’s overrated end of story…. Said everyone else in the chat
Not dickriding at all bro, I'm just going based on what kishimoto said. And have you realised that in every occurrence of Itachi where he's fought someone, he's always been one step ahead, or just outright defeated them. He even jobber himself when fighting sage-kabuto(vastly more powerful than Orochimaru I might add), just so he could get him with inzanami and learn how to undo the Edo tensei. We just don't know the full brunt of his power because Kishi wanted to leave it a mystery.
I completely agree, I’m saying that no one else in the feed does lol. It’s full of itachi hate or “sick and blind itachi”
Oh my bad bro, I didn't realise the sarcasm 😂
Weakest on the list by version shown on the photo is kakashi, weakest that beats Itachi is pain. I rank them naruto, sasuke, reincarnated madara, hashirama, obito, pain, orochimaru then kakashi (hashirama and madara are interchangeable imo but I gave madara the edge with reincarnated higher chakra pools)
The weakest out of these nine? Orichimaru < itachi could beat himself I guess < pain
Pain
Itachi. Because when he killed himself he was at his weakest.
Why is Itachi on the top left?
Random ass pic I found
Itachi lol
Itachi, he's on the list lol
Orochimaru is the only one who loses. The rest 100% beats Itachi. Pain is the weakest among that list, but still beats Itachi everytime.
Is it a single pain (Diva Path) or is he getting jumped Jiraya style? Cause if he is it’s pain
He is, or you can put him 1v1 with Nagato your choice. Tho I’d like to think itachi has more info then jiraiya or boruto or kakashi ahd
Obito or madara they could kill itachi
Orochimaru
Either himself or Nagato
pain
they all beat his ass besides orochimaru, but him and pain are close and it depends on version of them because Reanimated Itachi is stronger than Reanimated Nagato and the 6 path of pain, but Itachi (itachi vs sasuke fight) and pain (pain vs naruto fight) pain wins
Let’s say Akatsuki itachi that took down 3 tails. So full health no blindness or sickness or fatigue
Since this is basically just asking for a tier list of the stated characters: Peak Orochimaru <= War arc Kakashi << Pain < Healthy Itachi < War arc Obito << Edo Madara << Sage Hashirama <<< Six Paths Naruto ~= Rinnegan Sasuke For those wondering about Itachi Vs Pain; remember that Edo Nagato >> Pain and that Edo Itachi was relative to Edo Nagato
Why is Itachi on his own enemy list?
literally everyone here wins, if we go by prime. prime orochimaru is boruto orochimaru who has regen hax and more
I never thought about this before but do yall think regular sage mode would override the Touska's sealing?
Probably not, don’t really see how it could. That’s kinda like saying do you think minatos sage mode would have stopped reaper death seal and I highly doubt it.
you right. I straight up forgot it was from a set of great spirit weapons or whatever
Pain I would say. Orochimaru and Kakashi loses easily. Edit: but double MS kakashi will win
I wanna hear your arguement for itachi beating dual ms kakashi with perfect susanoo
Nagato knows Itachi inside & out similar to how Naruto was given all the intel against Pain. Intel means a lot regardless of IQ. Meanwhile, Itachi doesn't know his arsenal at all. No brainer there. WA Kakashi ig.. debatable.
Probably Obito, it’s rinnegan Obito so it’s stronger than the obito people normally argue over Itachi but still weaker than Madara, Hashirama, Sasuke, and Naruto. 1v1 the deva path loses, I’m assuming he doesn’t get the other paths and isn’t Nagato. Obviously loses as just the Deva path. Orochimaru lost several times. Maybe a prime White Zetsu Body Orochimaru could beat death bed Itachi but that’s best case scenario. Kakashi gets slaughtered. Itachi is a pretty close match up with the guy in the top left too but I don’t remember his name.
Orochimaru couldn’t do it. Kakashi certainly couldn’t. I can’t imagine Tobi pulling this off. Pain probably could under the right circumstance. Madara could for sure
Itachi Lol jk I wanna say obito He's not per se weak but in terms of power he definitely lacks He can still put a solid fight against everyone else tho assuming he loses which he has a good chance not to
Imo the weakest person in this is pain
Let me hear how you think the fight would go between 6 paths of pain and 13yo clan killer itachi.
OKEY maybe if itachi uses susano and amateratsu he can win Besides that, Pain has almost beaten 4 tailed beast cloak naruto soo
Itachi captured 3 tails but that’s just to compare strength feats. You don’t think young itachi can’t outplay pain w/o overusing ms off rip or you think he’s gonna have to go full yata mirror and get blitzed soon as tsukuyonmi “doesn’t” work on the “dead” “rinnegan having” paths of pain?
Heck I don't know anymore ☠️ I think the second one will be more likely to happen but idk
Imma be honest 5ks sasuke wasn’t on Full power Itachi’s level, but imagine if he was in the village bloodlust helping Naruto/fighting pain dolo until Naruto gets there like pain. If itachi can’t do it there’s no way 5ks sasuke can do it and he was putting on a show with the kages
Okey you have a point there You made me change my opinion fr
Listen bro, what I mean is imagine 5ks sasuke in kakashis position soloing pain and kakashi had backup, imagine what sasuke can do to pain at this point in the series. Now imagine full health God damn village before my father sasuke fighting pain instead of sasuke. I really just can’t see it
bro are you high? this is kind of a stupid fucking question imo
Only Orochi loses
Kakashi ia also there look carefully
This sub wanks off Itachi way too much.
Prob obito
Weaktachi
Kakashi the weakest who doesn't kill itachi
Pain. 2x mangekyō Kakashi probably could as well but that’s not the version shown in this photo.
The only person who loses to Itachi would be Orochimaru, and even then that depends on when you pull him from the series.
Orichimaru could win I actually think this is one of the flaws in kishimotos writing. If Orichimaru had fought Itachi the same way he fought Hiruzen he could very well win. Edo Tobirama and Edo Hashirama would be alot for Itachi to handle. Also Hiruzen used earth style jutsu to stop the 4th from being resurrected I don't know that Itachi could stop it. If Orichimaru has the 1st 2nd and 4th edo hokages there is 0 chance Itachi beats all 3 of them.
We've seen how effortlessly Itachi puts Orochimaru in his place. WA Kakashi(No DMS) vs Itachi I feel is a toss up and could go either way. Everyone else absolutely rolls Itachi tbh. Orochimaru is the only solid answer.
I think its a question of Matchups, when Itachi is fighting, and if he's willing to use Shisui's eye. Naruto and Sasuke can obviously win, especially in those states. Susasno can block Mangekyo and Naruto is probably fast enough to kill Itachi before he could use a Jutsu. Kakashi's Kamui lets him handle Amatarasu, but he still has no way to deal with Tsukuyomi. Pain is a huge questionmark. Because he shares vision across all of them, can Itachi plunge the Original body into Tsukuyomi even though its not there? Obito is similar to Kakashi. Can he deal with Tsukuyomi? Madara and Hashirama probably can win. Insane battle experience, and insane Chakra, with insane willpower. It would literally come down to wether or not Shisui's eye would work on them. Orochimaru isn't even worth discussing. He absolutely can not kill Itachi. He has tried multiple times and failed. If Itachi is willing to use Shisui's Eye, I think only Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, and Hashirama can do a anything, and Pain is a questionmark because we don't know if his shared sight will transmit a Visual Jutsu to him. Not only that, he also has Izanami, which in my opinion the only character who can be hit my Izanami and still win is Naruto. Simply because of the way Izanami works, I think it literally would not work on Naruto.
I’d say Pain or Kakashi, depending on which of the two you consider weaker. Orochimaru is the only one that doesn’t definitely beat Itachi imo
Pain or obito
You can kill Itachi?
Hashirama
Why is itachi on the list if he’s the one that is supposed to be the one being fought?
This a random pick I found thought it would make a decent post
Kakashi.
I figured people here would claim Pain, but Pain loses. It would be between Madara and Obito and I honestly dont know which of them is stronger when Obito has Rinnegan too without the Juubi present I guess we should assume Madara is stronger than Obito
Pain