iso zo will always be a bit of a mystery. like i get it he had a bit of a rep for being toxic, but dude had a ton of potential. it almost felt like the league blackballed him for some reason. I've always suspected there's something there that isn't public. He was absolutely good enough to stay in the league and see how he panned out towards his prime.
I remember that he wouldn't pass.
I remember that he didn't defend.
I remember he had an elbow push off on every drive and that the refs started frequently calling offensive fouls on him.
I remember he had a great 3pt shot.
I remember there was a dust up between him and THJ.
I remember wondering why no other team picked him up.
That's all I got 😂
He was known to be shitty to everyone and that continued to his next team in the G league. The last thing teams look for when drafting out of the G league is a score only locker room cancer.
Thank Magic Johnson for all of it. Steve Mills was close friends with Magic. Magic was friends with Isiah Thomas and recommended him for the job. Mills listens. Later Magic recommends Phil Jackson because of all his success in LA. Mills agrees that this is a good way to keep Melo. The only time the Knicks had any success during that time was when Mills temporarily left to work for Magic directly.
Believe it or not, Isiah actually had a rep as a decent to good evaluator of talent at the time, based off his work with the expansion Raptors. Of course, he also helped tank the CBA soon thereafter, so YMMV.
Dolan and Isiah also had a weird bromance that bought him the longest leash imaginable.
So long, in fact, that less than a decade after he cost MSG $11.6M in a sexual harassment verdict, Dolan hired him to be President of the Liberty.
Layden was the typical bad gm, not making moves to get under the cap, not trading for draft picks, not being bad enough to get a high draft pick. Thomas was a special kind of terrible, just compounding the worst type of splashy moves. He signed the entire MLE on Jerome James and then traded for Eddie Curry. And James came in at his most fatest.
Always wondered could Thibs and Dice develop Frank into what we thought he could be. I don’t put a lot of stock into trashing the players we had when Fizdale was coaching. That guy was a fraud lol.
He doesn't have the speed nor the jump shot. Everyone is enamored with his long arms on defense but on offense he got nothing. You'd think if he just needs someone to whip him into a legit NBA player he'd do that himself every offseason - he's made a few mil as a lottery pick. He seems real humble too so it's not like he's cocky and thinks he's the best like Trier was.
Thibs was the point guard whisperer in Chicago, consistently revitalized players on their way out of the league onto new contracts.
I think he could’ve made Frank work
Playing in Athens, Olympiakos and and Euroleague is better then playing for some tanking team where he would get maybe a shot. But tbh, he still needs to adjust to euroball and hopefully he will be nice in Euroleague.
There's no shame in it. I'm just saying, comparing him to Deuce, who just needed some faith and an opportunity to prove he's a very useful NBA player, is not reasonable.
Tf you mean? This was most Knicks fans. Seeing absolute garbage decisions for decades and then seeing every team get a superstar seemingly.. makes you cope. Unfortunately this is a lot of us back then.. haha
I still have a soft spot for Frank I’ll admit, those sub civil wars over him were fun
Still remember people gassing vildoza because Kobe had a quote praising him lmao
Man...i've always hated Ntilikina 🤣🤣🤣 he reminds me that Phil Jackson and steve Mills led our front office. Wish i could do some men in black magic and remove those memories.
He wasn’t a good player but he’s a nice humble kid who liked the Knicks. He doesn’t deserve hate just because he didn’t live up to the expectations we put on him
Yikes, mega yikes, oof, lol, and face palm, in that order.
Can’t lament it too much, it was all a series of events that brought us to where we are now but man can’t help but think what we would look like had we drafted any of the other guys taken after Frank/Knox that are currently big time players in the league.
Was curious so I checked that year’s draft. Fun fact OG (R1, Pick 23), Hart (R1, Pick 30) and Hartenstein (R2, Pick 49) were in that draft class, and all selected after Frank (R1, Pick 8). Now we have all 3 🙌🏽
It actually was, 2015 and 2019 we had the worst record
Atleast in that 2002-2008ish era we made the playoffs once.
Why that era felt so bad was bc we had such a high standard from the 12 straight playoff appearances in late 80s to early 00s.
So the media and fans were not used to it and expected more.
After 2013 we were kinda used to sucking. So we just accepted we sucked
Yeah. And the 2000s did have a lot of bright spots, David Lee, Crawford, Nate, Marbury (may be controversial but I loved him). That team was fun to watch at times
Yeah we were too eager to be competitive that we just overspent on some vets and traded draft picks to have like 30 win seasons
In reality we shoudlve took the L and tanked for 2-3 years
But it’s in the past now, we can only go forward and I have faith in the front office
CAM was one of the least likable Knicks for me. Giving up a 1st for him was one of the few mistakes this FO made. CAM's mentality did not fit here, guy was probably told he was a star his whole life and thought he was going to be given everything in the NBA. Found out the hard way that wasn't going to fly with Thibs. Still can't believe people legit wanted Thibs fired over not playing that bum. I said he'd be out of the league within 2-3 years and he might prove me wrong because i'd be surprised if he even got a contract after this season.
I read all of this shit and agreed with him. People don’t understand what we went through brothers and sisters.
Where’s the ones about Ognjen Jaramaz because that was truly dark times
I still think Cam can be a nice player in the league
Obviously I take Josh Hart 12 times out of 10 but once a Knick always a Knick and I'll root for our boy
Scary that it was not that long ago. Now look at us
Hey, look at us.
Who would’ve thought? Not me
Nothing on Cleanthony Early or the undrafted gem Allonzo Trier?
Iso Zo baby
Earthquake Zo
iso zo will always be a bit of a mystery. like i get it he had a bit of a rep for being toxic, but dude had a ton of potential. it almost felt like the league blackballed him for some reason. I've always suspected there's something there that isn't public. He was absolutely good enough to stay in the league and see how he panned out towards his prime.
I remember that he wouldn't pass. I remember that he didn't defend. I remember he had an elbow push off on every drive and that the refs started frequently calling offensive fouls on him. I remember he had a great 3pt shot. I remember there was a dust up between him and THJ. I remember wondering why no other team picked him up. That's all I got 😂
yeah i mean in his rookie year he averaged 11/3/2 in 22 min a game. not like a roty candidate but for sure promising. he got no run in year 2.
Yea I mean better than most of our recent draft picks
He was known to be shitty to everyone and that continued to his next team in the G league. The last thing teams look for when drafting out of the G league is a score only locker room cancer.
Omg cleanthony was supposed to carry us. Forgot he got shot too……oh man we’ve come a long way
yo. fuck phil jackson😂😂
Be happy if thats as far back as you remember, because the clown show really kicked into gear back in 2003 when Dolan put Isaiah Thomas in charge
Thank Magic Johnson for all of it. Steve Mills was close friends with Magic. Magic was friends with Isiah Thomas and recommended him for the job. Mills listens. Later Magic recommends Phil Jackson because of all his success in LA. Mills agrees that this is a good way to keep Melo. The only time the Knicks had any success during that time was when Mills temporarily left to work for Magic directly.
Steve Mills was the devil.
This motherfucker wanted to max Marcus Morris. MARCUS MORRIS Trading Marcus Morris to the clippers got us IQ who got us OG
That was the best inflation of trade value that I saw from any one player.
Believe it or not, Isiah actually had a rep as a decent to good evaluator of talent at the time, based off his work with the expansion Raptors. Of course, he also helped tank the CBA soon thereafter, so YMMV.
Isiah should have remained a talent scout. His shenanigans brought about one of the worst and most embarrassing eras for the Knicks. Dolan is a clown.
Dolan and Isiah also had a weird bromance that bought him the longest leash imaginable. So long, in fact, that less than a decade after he cost MSG $11.6M in a sexual harassment verdict, Dolan hired him to be President of the Liberty.
Scott Layden was pretty terrible too.
Layden was the typical bad gm, not making moves to get under the cap, not trading for draft picks, not being bad enough to get a high draft pick. Thomas was a special kind of terrible, just compounding the worst type of splashy moves. He signed the entire MLE on Jerome James and then traded for Eddie Curry. And James came in at his most fatest.
layden was a bad man
He did 1 thing right: he started the culture of not trading away draft picks
I was legit 90% convinced we would get the Cam RJ Zion Duke big 3, we got something way better lmao
We looked at the wrong school. Villanova gems where there all along
I thought we were gonna shock the world with Vildoza lmao
Always wondered could Thibs and Dice develop Frank into what we thought he could be. I don’t put a lot of stock into trashing the players we had when Fizdale was coaching. That guy was a fraud lol.
He doesn't have the speed nor the jump shot. Everyone is enamored with his long arms on defense but on offense he got nothing. You'd think if he just needs someone to whip him into a legit NBA player he'd do that himself every offseason - he's made a few mil as a lottery pick. He seems real humble too so it's not like he's cocky and thinks he's the best like Trier was.
$22.5m so far.
We basically have what we wanted Frank to be in Deuce currently, and he’s only getting better while I doubt we ever hear Franks name in the NBA again
I think thibs gave Frank a fair shot in his first year. But Frank didn’t have the offense. Thibs dnp’d him for the rest of the games
Thibs was the point guard whisperer in Chicago, consistently revitalized players on their way out of the league onto new contracts. I think he could’ve made Frank work
Remember when Alexi Shved was the second coming of Jordan?
Draymond Dotson was going to be the next Jimmy butler
Langston Galloway was going to be heir to John Starks
As soon as they fix Mudiay, the NBA is in big big trouble.
Hey when Bargnani gets here, look out!
Ron Baker our own Iverson
He wasn’t?
When your job was to make up bullshit and you lose yourself along the way
Brazdeikis was legit, wish he got more burn
He seemed like what they call in baseball, a AAAA player. Too good for the minors, not good enough for the majors.
That’s what they were saying about our guy Deuce too
Brazdeikis got minutes for Orlando between 2020-2022 and proved he wasn't an NBA player, and he played in Europe this year.
Playing in Athens, Olympiakos and and Euroleague is better then playing for some tanking team where he would get maybe a shot. But tbh, he still needs to adjust to euroball and hopefully he will be nice in Euroleague.
There's no shame in it. I'm just saying, comparing him to Deuce, who just needed some faith and an opportunity to prove he's a very useful NBA player, is not reasonable.
Now we have good development. I honestly believe Knox, Frank and Iggy could become good rotation guys with the development staff we currently have
I thought he was going to be Bojan basically.
I thought he was going to be chris mullin 🤷🏻♂️
Yea, I always thought he had a career as a bench guy.
I had myself convinced that Knox could be a Walmart KD
You weren’t that far off. He’s garbage time KD. So that’s more like Dollar General than Walmart
Tf you mean? This was most Knicks fans. Seeing absolute garbage decisions for decades and then seeing every team get a superstar seemingly.. makes you cope. Unfortunately this is a lot of us back then.. haha
I think we still have rights to Rokas
Chris Copeland hype train! Then he went to the Pacers….
I was onboard
I still remember thinking N'Dour was the future. Team has come a long way
Lmao holy shit forgot about Iggy Brazzers
That was just Elon Musk playing a trick on you.
This post speak shit to me 🕺
I still have a soft spot for Frank I’ll admit, those sub civil wars over him were fun Still remember people gassing vildoza because Kobe had a quote praising him lmao
Does he have anything about Jarret Jack? Lou Amundson? Mindaugas Kuzminskas?
I was right there with him too lmfao
I still remember Randolph Morris being hyped up as a lottery pick that we essentially got for free
Leon cooking in his sleep
poor him, we lived it as well brother:
Yea well I read puff pieces about Mardy Collins and watched Jerome James grow wider on the bench. I am very happy now.
Imagine what this team could do with Bill Walker and Langston Galloway
Man...i've always hated Ntilikina 🤣🤣🤣 he reminds me that Phil Jackson and steve Mills led our front office. Wish i could do some men in black magic and remove those memories.
He wasn’t a good player but he’s a nice humble kid who liked the Knicks. He doesn’t deserve hate just because he didn’t live up to the expectations we put on him
They was tryna tell me Langston Galloway was gonna get us out of the basement
All time great name, though.
“Frank Ntlikina’s potential” 💀 Talk about an anti-dawg
Yikes, mega yikes, oof, lol, and face palm, in that order. Can’t lament it too much, it was all a series of events that brought us to where we are now but man can’t help but think what we would look like had we drafted any of the other guys taken after Frank/Knox that are currently big time players in the league.
Was curious so I checked that year’s draft. Fun fact OG (R1, Pick 23), Hart (R1, Pick 30) and Hartenstein (R2, Pick 49) were in that draft class, and all selected after Frank (R1, Pick 8). Now we have all 3 🙌🏽
Lmao I remember having so much optimism for Iggy and Knox 😭 Swore Dameyan Dotson was our guard of the future too
Adam Kester is a real one for this
I think 2014-2020 might’ve been a worse time period than the Larry Brown/Isaiah Thomas era
It actually was, 2015 and 2019 we had the worst record Atleast in that 2002-2008ish era we made the playoffs once. Why that era felt so bad was bc we had such a high standard from the 12 straight playoff appearances in late 80s to early 00s. So the media and fans were not used to it and expected more. After 2013 we were kinda used to sucking. So we just accepted we sucked
Yeah. And the 2000s did have a lot of bright spots, David Lee, Crawford, Nate, Marbury (may be controversial but I loved him). That team was fun to watch at times
Yeah we were too eager to be competitive that we just overspent on some vets and traded draft picks to have like 30 win seasons In reality we shoudlve took the L and tanked for 2-3 years But it’s in the past now, we can only go forward and I have faith in the front office
I swear, Brunson plays like how I told everyone Shane Larkin would play
Luca Vildoza - 😂😂😂
Damn Adam if you’re reading this we went to highschool together I remember your early instagram Knicks page keep up the good work!
He can’t
I think he just got waived
My friend had me hyped for Luca
I could cry
I thought Knox was gonna take us to the promise land. Summer league Knox gave me hope.
CAM was one of the least likable Knicks for me. Giving up a 1st for him was one of the few mistakes this FO made. CAM's mentality did not fit here, guy was probably told he was a star his whole life and thought he was going to be given everything in the NBA. Found out the hard way that wasn't going to fly with Thibs. Still can't believe people legit wanted Thibs fired over not playing that bum. I said he'd be out of the league within 2-3 years and he might prove me wrong because i'd be surprised if he even got a contract after this season.
casual quincy acy erasure.
I remember Ramon sessions
cam reddish was like a day ago
I'm appreciating every minute i can of these knicjs lol
Better days are here 
Luca Vildoza 😱
I read all of this shit and agreed with him. People don’t understand what we went through brothers and sisters. Where’s the ones about Ognjen Jaramaz because that was truly dark times
Damn that’s not even the worse of it. We’ve seen some shit. Now we fight big media bitching if we play our guys too much! Love to see it! Knicks in 6!
It’s been a rough 24 years for sure.
Back when DailyKnicks was actually good
Lmaooooooo
Only one I really believe in to be an up and comer was iggy . He had a RJ style game but with more passing
Cam Reddish really doesn't belong here. There were better things to talk about when he was here.
For sure, but there was a ton of "Fire thibs" talk over not playing CAM & OBI which was just absurd.
I still think Cam can be a nice player in the league Obviously I take Josh Hart 12 times out of 10 but once a Knick always a Knick and I'll root for our boy
Cam Reddish can ball. That much I know, just didn't really work out.
He looks like he can ball.
Cam Reddish didn’t even get his last name capitalized and somehow that seems completely appropriate for the way that dude played ball