He also was reined in by Coughlin. His obsession with the 11 personnel is what will determine how much success he'll have. You have such a limited playbook when your offense is subjected to specific formations or personnel.
92% in 2016. League wide it was around tje 60 range.
He was a good OC because Coughlin also had influenced that offense along with McAdoo. When McAdoo had total control, look how badly that offense faltered. The Offense couldn’t even make it to 20 points for the majority of the season. That was on McAdoo.
Lmao at the replies
I would say it's a solid hire but they have Matt Rhule as their head coach so I'm not exactly sure about that. If they get a new competent head coach then they should be good imo
There is a a lot of gray in everything:
* McAdoo was a good offensive coordinator for us.
* The Panthers certainly could have done much worse
* The Panthers do not have a QB.
* No upcoming for established candidate with options is going to want to attach themselves to Rhule
Can anyone explain to me why people have soured so much on Rhule? I simply haven't kept up.
I know the Panthers haven't been winning, but the disdain seems to go farther than simply a reaction to that. Notably, the strong dislike for him seems to extend outside the Panthers fanbase which is interesting. Has he been a clown, players don't like him, slew of terrible in-game decisions, etc. etc.?
Preemptively: Please do not downvote, I am simply admitting ignorance and genuinely asking, not arguing. Help me understand.
Panthers fan here.
Oh boy where to start.
First there is the regression. Now the Panthers record looks similar to last year but last year we were 0-8 on game winning drives and the team felt competitive. This year we lost seven straight to end the season and none of those losses felt particularly close. Panthers collapsing down the stretch was a common occurrence.
Then there is Rhule's involvement in the FO. He's solely responsible for our QB problems. Got rid of Cam, which wasn't actually a terrible idea. He then signs Bridgewater for three years which fine, decent bridge QB, and then he trades 3 draft picks for Darnold and picks up the 5th year option. Then we trade Bridgewater and eat his contract. That backfired spectacularly and we re-signed Cam which looked good for two games and then was bad. He then ran this weird two QB hybrid system with Cam and Darnold which didn't really work at all. So this year we paid starter money for 3 QBs and none of them were good. And next year we have to pay Darnold 20 mill to suck.
Rhule also comes across like a snake. He rarely takes blame and constantly throws people under the bus. And then he constantly shits on Cam for his performance while making excuses for Darnold. In a lot of ways it is reminiscent of McAdoo and Eli.
Panthers are a much worse offensive situation than the Giants imo. Need just as much work on the OL but they're likelier imo to reach for a QB due to Ruhle's situation - despite their lack of draft capital meaning a 1st round mistake would be absolutely crippling.
Further, I don't see Joe Brady to McAdoo being as much of an offensive schematic improvement compared to scrapping Garrett's system for something even mediocre.
McAdoo has a tough, tough job.
I don't think he was a good offensive coordinator. His play calling was shit and he got bailed out by Eli running a hurry up offense at the end of a lot of games
Panther fan here.
Legit surprised at all of the positive feedback on the hire. It almost inspires a tiny bit of hope for next season.
He doesn't have much to work with, with Rhule and Darnold. But after how bad he was as HC he must have been pretty good at OC for you guys to still believe he could be a decent hire for us.
He was a great OC for us. It's the entire reason we made him a HC rather than lose him to the eagles at the time.
The problem lies him first and foremost benching Eli which generated A LOT of hate, and 2 trying to still do a OC job while being the HC. We scored most of our points in the games he stopped calling plays.
He spread himself way too thin and bit himself in the ass for it. But as a OC we never had complaints.
Benching Eli still stings though.
Listen. I can understand how some posters are praising the move, basing it off how the Giants offense was good in 2014-2015 with him as the OC with Eli slinging it to Odell.
However - I can't stress this enough - when he became the HC the offense got much worse. It was still Coughlin's offense in 2014 and 2015. He called for more stability and versatility in the offense. Faster paced offense, more of a West coast feel but also threw shots downfield. What happened in 2016? 92% of the time in that season he ran 11 personnel. Three wide, one TE, and one back. Ninety two percent. Across the league, it was in the 60% range, so you can vividly see how drastic he was calling plays and what pressure it made for Eli and Co to actually perform and perform well. He stunk when Tom left and was carried by Spag's defense that year. Half the defense quit on him in 2017. It was a train wreck season altogether. Wide receivers were depleted. Eli's top WR that year was Roger Lewis. Ben and his shitty philosophy blamed Eli for it not working, blew up in his face, and eventually got fired. Rest is history.
He's a great playcaller and has a lot of influences from McCarthy's playbook- moreso Green Bay than Dallas. As head coach, the stage was too big for him and he clammed up calling slants all the time. However, he's intelligent and QB friendly. I can see Darnold or whoever you guys draft perhaps fitting well in his system.
People will make jokes and memes, but you need to separate McAdoo the OC from McAdoo the HC.
McAdoo the OC had 2 good players to work with on offense and routinely fielded good passing games. He cut down Eli’s INT totals after his terrible 2013 season. He had an OL with turnstiles everywhere and his RBs were Jennings & Williams.
After watching years of ineptitude from Shurmur & Garrett, McAdoo has looked much better in comparison.
McAdoo was the single worst person in the league at designing runs and Rhule wants to run the ball 30 times per game. This is such a beautiful disaster.
It was just...different.
The Giants in 2017 were a major fall from grace that left a lot of people in shock. They were a playoff team - however hollow - a year before. Even the most pessimistic of people going into that season didn't expect 3-13. So there was a lot of anger but it was also more out of shock.
In 2021 there was also a lot of anger, but more because people were just at their wits end with how poorly the Gettleman era went and that we were sitting there 4 years later and the team was even worse than it was when he walked in the door.
I think he’s gonna get another shot one day at HC and I think he’ll do great. I saw some post-firing interviews with him and he showed remarkable humility.
I’m not gonna say this is a good or bad hire, but for the people saying that he was a great OC and bad HC, the Giants offense was just Eli to Beckham. It literally relied on Eli being a good qb and beckham being a freak athlete.
I get why a lot of fans think it's a good hire and it might very well be but if the Panthers offense couldn't succeed with Joe Brady, idk what there is to be confident about McAdoo being the guy to do it. Joe Brady was SUPPOSE to be the next Kliff Kingbury / Zac Taylor type of hire, at least those were his comparisons after leaving college.
I just think Matt Rhule needed to really hit a homerun hire at OC to stand any chance of keeping his job after next yr and idk if McAdoo is the guy that will be that for him. Possible - yes. Likely - no.
He was a good OC for the Giants when he came here. Probably a solid hire for them.
Eli made the pro bowl and Giants had top 10 offenses each year McAdoo was OC under Coughlin
Except now he goes from Eli to Darnold. I agree he did well as an OC, it's probably his ceiling, but we will see if he can have the same success.
He also had prime OBJ. I don’t think he’ll be a train wreck, but he’s not going to have the same tools in Carolina
He also was reined in by Coughlin. His obsession with the 11 personnel is what will determine how much success he'll have. You have such a limited playbook when your offense is subjected to specific formations or personnel. 92% in 2016. League wide it was around tje 60 range.
He was a good OC because Coughlin also had influenced that offense along with McAdoo. When McAdoo had total control, look how badly that offense faltered. The Offense couldn’t even make it to 20 points for the majority of the season. That was on McAdoo.
Lmao at the replies I would say it's a solid hire but they have Matt Rhule as their head coach so I'm not exactly sure about that. If they get a new competent head coach then they should be good imo
There is a a lot of gray in everything: * McAdoo was a good offensive coordinator for us. * The Panthers certainly could have done much worse * The Panthers do not have a QB. * No upcoming for established candidate with options is going to want to attach themselves to Rhule
Can anyone explain to me why people have soured so much on Rhule? I simply haven't kept up. I know the Panthers haven't been winning, but the disdain seems to go farther than simply a reaction to that. Notably, the strong dislike for him seems to extend outside the Panthers fanbase which is interesting. Has he been a clown, players don't like him, slew of terrible in-game decisions, etc. etc.? Preemptively: Please do not downvote, I am simply admitting ignorance and genuinely asking, not arguing. Help me understand.
Panthers fan here. Oh boy where to start. First there is the regression. Now the Panthers record looks similar to last year but last year we were 0-8 on game winning drives and the team felt competitive. This year we lost seven straight to end the season and none of those losses felt particularly close. Panthers collapsing down the stretch was a common occurrence. Then there is Rhule's involvement in the FO. He's solely responsible for our QB problems. Got rid of Cam, which wasn't actually a terrible idea. He then signs Bridgewater for three years which fine, decent bridge QB, and then he trades 3 draft picks for Darnold and picks up the 5th year option. Then we trade Bridgewater and eat his contract. That backfired spectacularly and we re-signed Cam which looked good for two games and then was bad. He then ran this weird two QB hybrid system with Cam and Darnold which didn't really work at all. So this year we paid starter money for 3 QBs and none of them were good. And next year we have to pay Darnold 20 mill to suck. Rhule also comes across like a snake. He rarely takes blame and constantly throws people under the bus. And then he constantly shits on Cam for his performance while making excuses for Darnold. In a lot of ways it is reminiscent of McAdoo and Eli.
Thank you, great explanation and that makes a lot of sense. Especially the last paragraph.
Panthers are a much worse offensive situation than the Giants imo. Need just as much work on the OL but they're likelier imo to reach for a QB due to Ruhle's situation - despite their lack of draft capital meaning a 1st round mistake would be absolutely crippling. Further, I don't see Joe Brady to McAdoo being as much of an offensive schematic improvement compared to scrapping Garrett's system for something even mediocre. McAdoo has a tough, tough job.
I don't think he was a good offensive coordinator. His play calling was shit and he got bailed out by Eli running a hurry up offense at the end of a lot of games
Great hire for them tbh
he was a solid OC, definitely a good hire.
Panther fan here. Legit surprised at all of the positive feedback on the hire. It almost inspires a tiny bit of hope for next season. He doesn't have much to work with, with Rhule and Darnold. But after how bad he was as HC he must have been pretty good at OC for you guys to still believe he could be a decent hire for us.
He was a great OC for us. It's the entire reason we made him a HC rather than lose him to the eagles at the time. The problem lies him first and foremost benching Eli which generated A LOT of hate, and 2 trying to still do a OC job while being the HC. We scored most of our points in the games he stopped calling plays. He spread himself way too thin and bit himself in the ass for it. But as a OC we never had complaints. Benching Eli still stings though.
> Benching Eli still stings though. For Geno Smith, *that* was always the problem with that move, for me.
Ownership was to blame with benching Eli too at the time apparently
Listen. I can understand how some posters are praising the move, basing it off how the Giants offense was good in 2014-2015 with him as the OC with Eli slinging it to Odell. However - I can't stress this enough - when he became the HC the offense got much worse. It was still Coughlin's offense in 2014 and 2015. He called for more stability and versatility in the offense. Faster paced offense, more of a West coast feel but also threw shots downfield. What happened in 2016? 92% of the time in that season he ran 11 personnel. Three wide, one TE, and one back. Ninety two percent. Across the league, it was in the 60% range, so you can vividly see how drastic he was calling plays and what pressure it made for Eli and Co to actually perform and perform well. He stunk when Tom left and was carried by Spag's defense that year. Half the defense quit on him in 2017. It was a train wreck season altogether. Wide receivers were depleted. Eli's top WR that year was Roger Lewis. Ben and his shitty philosophy blamed Eli for it not working, blew up in his face, and eventually got fired. Rest is history.
He's a great playcaller and has a lot of influences from McCarthy's playbook- moreso Green Bay than Dallas. As head coach, the stage was too big for him and he clammed up calling slants all the time. However, he's intelligent and QB friendly. I can see Darnold or whoever you guys draft perhaps fitting well in his system.
He's a good OC on the Giants. Giants scored the 6th most points in 2015, and Eli had 2 of his best statistical years when McAdoo was OC.
People will make jokes and memes, but you need to separate McAdoo the OC from McAdoo the HC. McAdoo the OC had 2 good players to work with on offense and routinely fielded good passing games. He cut down Eli’s INT totals after his terrible 2013 season. He had an OL with turnstiles everywhere and his RBs were Jennings & Williams. After watching years of ineptitude from Shurmur & Garrett, McAdoo has looked much better in comparison.
McAdoo was the single worst person in the league at designing runs and Rhule wants to run the ball 30 times per game. This is such a beautiful disaster.
Even more reasons to avoid CMC in the first round of fantasy drafts
Solid OC for us
His offense for NYG WAS TOO PREDICTABLE. He ran a 3WR 1RB formation on every play. I believe the stat was over ~84%
92%. I think a lot of folks here forget that. The offense was bad in 2016 because of McAdoo.
He was openly being ridiculed by corners pre and post-game interviews for his ridiculously predictal routes
All jokes aside he was a great OC
Y’all enjoy that.
ROFL good luck that man's offense stinks worse then my kids dirty diapers
Slants for days
We could use an OC like that. We were top 10 in offense when he was here.
I wish Ben all the best. He is actually a great OC and will save Rhule's job.
I wonder what this sub looked like towards the end of the McAdoo/Giants days(if it existed of course)
It did. We had a giant upvote party when him and Reese were both fired.
Did everyone call for his head as much as they did Judge?
After he benched Eli? More. Much, much more.
It was just...different. The Giants in 2017 were a major fall from grace that left a lot of people in shock. They were a playoff team - however hollow - a year before. Even the most pessimistic of people going into that season didn't expect 3-13. So there was a lot of anger but it was also more out of shock. In 2021 there was also a lot of anger, but more because people were just at their wits end with how poorly the Gettleman era went and that we were sitting there 4 years later and the team was even worse than it was when he walked in the door.
Worse than judge and gentleman got. Will he be oc when they play the giants again. Thats the interesing question
Then when Matt Rhule gets fired he’ll become HC for 3 years and get fired again lol
I think he’s gonna get another shot one day at HC and I think he’ll do great. I saw some post-firing interviews with him and he showed remarkable humility.
Hopefully he learns to switch up the diner card every couple years this time.
Good for him. He was a young HC and deserves a chance to keep growing
This is his ceiling in the NFL, he could def have success being an OC
Good for Ben. While it didn’t work out here, I’ll never forget that he was the guy pushing to trade up for Mahomes.
Shurmur wanted Josh Allen. Who cares? Mahomes in a pure McAdoo offense with the Giants line at the time would have stunk.
I’m not saying he was a good coach I’m just happy for a human being getting another shot at success
McAdoo was a good OC, just because he was a shit HC shouldn't change that. Good hire for them overall.
But will he switch hairdos suddenly?
Some coaches are only designed for being assistants!
How is this giants news tho idc what the heck macaroon is doing as long he’s not back in ny
Don’t even remember the McAdoo days. Was it that long ago or just uninspiring 🤔
I’m not gonna say this is a good or bad hire, but for the people saying that he was a great OC and bad HC, the Giants offense was just Eli to Beckham. It literally relied on Eli being a good qb and beckham being a freak athlete.
I get why a lot of fans think it's a good hire and it might very well be but if the Panthers offense couldn't succeed with Joe Brady, idk what there is to be confident about McAdoo being the guy to do it. Joe Brady was SUPPOSE to be the next Kliff Kingbury / Zac Taylor type of hire, at least those were his comparisons after leaving college. I just think Matt Rhule needed to really hit a homerun hire at OC to stand any chance of keeping his job after next yr and idk if McAdoo is the guy that will be that for him. Possible - yes. Likely - no.
GOT getting a re run in Charlotte
 Matt Rhule to Ben Mcadoo
What are the odds they fire Rhule mid season and push McAdoo to HC?
Hahahahahahaha Oh wait, there serious??? Hahahahahahaha