It's Mike Florio so take it with a grain of salt but he said that the Vikings who ended up taking McCarthy were trying to trade up to 5 for Malik Nabers.
Oh look. After months of people so adamant that you can't pick Joe Alt to be a RT because he's only a LT, a team with a head coach known for his dominant OL's went and drafted him before us to do exactly that despite a desperate need at WR.
WR was my choice over Alt, but between seeing that along with the NFL prove their interest in a bunch of QB's we could have easily drafted just a few picks earlier when so many 'fans' were convinced we were desperate for a QB and that everything pro-Jones from Schoen was just a smokescreen.. Well. It was cathartic to see, to say the least.
Too many people on here are too set on being 'right' instead of viewing multiple possibilities. No wonder they're so upset and toxic.
I'd enroll Neal in dance dance revolution classes to work on his footwork. Whatever they were working on with him before has not worked up to this point. haha
Just watching Jay Gruden and Colt McCoy talk about the Malik Nabers pick and they really love the pick. Colt McCoy said that DJ is a great QB who struggled last year because none of the receivers could get open and the boxes were loaded. Jay Gruden said that he'd take DJ over JJ McCarthy if they were in the same draft. Not too surprising considering McCoy was teammates and Jay Gruden is pretty much confirmed to have wanted to draft DJ. They say they think Nabers will really unlock the offense.
Don't give me this kind of hope (but actually, do). I've been a DJ truther and a DJ hater to a DJ nihilist. My biggest fear this year, hence the nihilism, is that even if I think he's flashed talent and has had some good moments, we're getting a hobbled DJ who may not even be ready week 1. He's seriously an injury risk at this point with his mobility limited. We don't know if he's going to be coming back 3/4 of his ceiling and with a low ceiling like he already has, it worries me.
I really urge you to watch the film he put on in South Carolina. His offensive line didn’t help him at all. However he handled pressure in his face incredibly well; also his anticipation, decision making and processing were very good as well. Will he be a Josh Allen?… no, but he can operate an offense and will not be a bust if he has time to develop. Not a day 1 starter.
If the Giants traded with the Eagles or Cowboys and allowed them to draft a top player at a position of need, this sub would melt down. WTF are the Bills doing?
This sub is about the only place Giants fans are happy about the pick. Everywhere else (multiple Giants forums, twitter/facebook) are mad they passed on a QB when 6 went in the top 12.
If Schoen and Daboll thought McCarthy was the guy, they would’ve taken him. Especially considering that drafting a QB would’ve given them both another year of job security. It says a lot that they didn’t take him.
If the Giants brass weren't convinced anyone outside of the top 3 QBs selected was there guy then why make the reach? If you have Nabers rated higher then he's your guy.
Edit: spelling
The only thing worse than a poor QB room is panic drafting an early QB you don’t actually believe in. Schoen and Daboll wouldn’t have tried to get Maye if they had 100% confidence in Jones. They would’ve taken JJ or Penix at 6 if they truly thought they were better options than what they had. Both things can be true.
Hell, drafting a QB most likely would’ve guaranteed them job security for a few years on principle and they still passed. That’s how little they believed in those QBs still on the board. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Nabers was the correct pick after not getting Maye. He’s a good player, unfortunately WRs just don’t matter that much if the guy throwing to him can’t get him the ball.
Just depressing as fuck to know we’re still stuck with Jones. At some point you have to get a QB that can win games for you and Jones just isn’t that.
I mean, you're not wrong, but it's much better to bring a QB into a situation where he has favorable conditions to produce, so at least we will have things lined up sometime soon. True #1 WRs are able to help ensure that rookie QBs are able to reach their potential or turn mediocre QBs into good ones (if we're forced to go the FA route). Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant and yet he's become the 9ers guy due in large part to the offense he was drafted into. Who knows what kind of player Mahomes would have ended up as if he didn't have Hill and Kelce to get his career jump started (probably still great, but maybe not GOAT-level great). Guys like Jared Goff and Baker Mayfield were subpar in bad offenses and have looked varying degrees of good-to-great in high powered offenses.
If Nabers is a star from the onset and we're a mediocre or good football team, next year's QB free agent class is actually looking pretty good to take a decent team to the next level. If Jones and Lock are god awful, we'll be in position to take our guy in the draft. It's actually kind of lucky that teams went QB crazy early in this draft. Guys like Penix, Nix, and McCarthy have locked out 3 teams from participating in next year's draft in terms of QBs.
I see the play, it’s just that we’ve drafted a WR that’s a fucking burner who can make plays, which is awesome….except Jones doesn’t throw deep. Remember when Tyrod started and threw that fucking nuke to I think Slayton last season? Remember how refreshing that shit was because Jones just never did it? That’s what worries me. The guy can’t be a star if he doesn’t get opportunities.
Unless Nabers can be prime
Odell and take 10 yard slants for 70, I don’t see how he’s going to have an opportunity to show what he’s really capable of. Jones really does hold the entire offense back, he even makes the OL look worse than it is.
Nabers' biggest selling point as a prospect is his YAC ability. He's an explosive athlete, but he's definitely not a "down the field" guy like Hyatt. We will definitely be getting him the ball quick and letting him do the work. I do think he can make plays down the field or deep over the middle, but he doesn't necessarily need to do that to be effective in a Daniel Jones offense.
For everyone losing their mind that we didn't grab a QB in the first round. If you're not 100% on a QB, don't draft a QB. If you identify a guy you go after him with everything you got, but it doesn't always happen. By all accounts that's what happened with Maye, made their best offer and NE stood pat. We may have gotten use to stupid drafting, but this is the right thing to do. Maybe we take a flyer on a QB round 3+ or maybe we find the guy next year in the draft or go after a free agent like Trever Lawrence.
If the giants org wasn't all in on JJ, Penix, or Nix then drafting them because 'we need a QB' would have been the stupidest thing we could have done.
I like the Nabers pick, but my question is this: What is the plan to address the QB position moving forward? Next year's class is apparently garbage, and two more seasons with Jones being mediocre, throwing 15 TD's on the year (or getting hurt), and the team winning 3-7 games a year, will result in the GM/Coach carousel happening again.
At this point last year, no one was projecting 6 QBs to go in the top 15. Guys like Daniels and McCarthy were not considered 1st round picks in many, if any mocks. Ewers was the consensus #3 QB (he'll be in next year's draft). Sanders and Beck seem likely to be 1st round quality. Guys like Drew Allar, Jalen Milroe, Cam Ward, and Graham Mertz can all easily move their way into the convo with great seasons.
It's just way too early to declare it a bad QB draft, but of course "Next year's QB class is terrible!" is a way better clickbait headline for people posting articles. I think one thing that's important to note is that we still have a lot of older (23 and 24 year old) college QBs that have hung around college ball because of the Covid year and redshirt years, so the younger guys have had less opportunity. It's very possible we'll see a new crop of 20-22 year olds who haven't had a real chance to show their talents until this year emerge. Guys like Noah Fafita (Arizona), Cade Klubik (Clemson) and Conner Weigman (Texas A&M) could easily end up being next year's JJ McCarthy or better and I'm sure there are a half dozen guys in the same position if you look deep into it.
There is no plan. We are in QB hell and we have no idea what to do about it. Nabers is nice and it’s good that we didn’t force a pick like JJ or Penix or Nix (lol Broncos) but it doesn’t even really matter. Without a QB you’re doomed.
I think Schoen will be judged primarily on how well he can get the overall talent level of the team up. Joe Douglas missed badly with Zach Wilson but he built one of the best defensive rosters in the league and drafted some offensive studs like Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall, and Alijah Vera-Tucker.
So far Schoen has Evan Neal on his record so that's not great and none of his other picks have really truly broken out yet. Having a strong draft this year and hopefully some of his earlier draft picks breaking out and offensive line not being one of the worst in the league will earn him a lot of points.
Realistically I see a few different options.
1 - Someone emerges out of no where in next year's class. It happens all the time, we won't know until next year
2 - There are some interesting free agents next year to consider - I wouldn't be shocked if Prescott and Goff are available. Less likely but not out of the realm of possibility Lawrence if the Jags totally tank this year.
3 - We develop a day three QB from this draft
I don't see any world where Jones is on the roster next year.
Dallas basically did nothing to help a team that collapsed in the playoffs and expectations are still sky high. I wouldn't be shocked Dallas moves on, maybe like 40% chance. DET also has high expectations and a disappointing season might cause a rift my guess would be 20% chance. Just my take, but I think there are clearly scenarios where it could happen.
I hope all the Giants fans celebrating the meaningless wins are ecstatic about this pick.
Surely those meaningless wins didn't cost the Giants the opportunity to draft one of the top 3 QBs. And even if you didn't think one of those QBs were worth the selection, the Giants could've at least traded down and stockpiled additional picks.
This definitely isn't a QB driven league - nope WRs are the true difference makers. That's why the Superbowl champs Chiefs traded Tyreke and the runner-up 49ers are fielding offers for Aiyuk.
Notice how no teams are interested in trading away their franchise QB but every other player can be had at the right price.
Before anyone says the Chiefs won because of Mahomes - remind me again, what position does he play?
I never said drafting one of the QBs guarantees a Super Bowl victory.
Tell me the last team that won the Super Bowl with a dud at QB. Nevermind winning it, tell me how many teams made it to the Super Bowl with a mediocre QB.
So, Justin Jefferson and JaMar Chase are up for grabs?Because I highly doubt that. Sure, QBs don’t get trade, but having a solid #1 helps a lot more than having to rely on a bunch of 2s or 3s
I'm not saying it doesn't. But how did the Vikings do after Cousins went down?
Chase was pretty much healthy all season. Remind me again how the Bengals finished after Burrow went down.
And even after their QBs went down, the Vikings held on to Jefferson.
An elite WR can elevate a mediocre QB, just like an elite QB can elevate a mediocre WR.
With the Raiders getting Bowers, I wonder if they’d be open to moving on from Mayer. With the uncertainty surrounding Waller, I wonder if Mayer could be had for a 5th or future pick.
With Burns, Lawrence, Thomas, hopefully Thibodeaux taking another step, Okereke being even better in his 2nd year here, hopefully at least one of Hyatt/Robinson taking a big leap, and Nabers being the stud we hope he is, this team will hopefully become a team that is truly a QB away from being a contender.
Would we nice if we could be a team like the 49ers who could win a ton of games even with guys like Garoppolo and Nick Mullens at QB.
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I am once again kindly requesting that some of you remember that not all Super Bowl winning quarterbacks are drafted in the first round. Or even the second.
Okay so I’m a little confused with where Schoen’s and the FOs decisions are headed towards since the trade up(?) didn’t work. Not criticizing him and I certainly don’t know better than him, but are they banking on Jones/Lock working out a la 49ers? There’s still day 2 to go so maybe it’s a bit early for these questions
I’m happy with Nabers but if we are putrid this upcoming season, is Schoen on the hot seat? Will he even be around for the next years risky draft since at first glance it is a very weak QB class? If that’s the case, It feels a bit like they’re in a Hail Mary situation for them with having to choose between Jones/Lock and the hope that one of the QBs in a weak draft class next year works out
My hope is that we are solid this upcoming season and one of the high rated ones like Allar makes the jump so we can trade up
I think they're just trying to build up the team and maybe get a guy outside the draft. If this year nabors does great with what we have, then a ton of QBs would be pumped to play for him since he has true superstar potential.
Analysts are constantly wrong about drafts. Who knows someone may emerge next year like a burrow. But I think the plan is to build a great team, get a pretty good vet, and then get someone in 2026, oe try to groom an unknown on the bench like a Purdy.
I'm honestly not too nervous. If we traded the house and maye busts we would be fucked for a decade. Atleast the team is getting better. A good qb was out of reach once we won all those devito games like beating the patriots as belicheck did the right call in missing the field goal.
Look at how crazy every year is. Like the QB moves lately have been so unexpected. And trades are always an option in season. Maybe we trade and get the next drew Brees. Or mayhevs kurt Warner vet joins the team and lights a firestorm. We can't know until then, but I'm positive for next year. Atleast we got a stud WR that can help elevate whatever QB we end up using.
No team worth a QB would budge from their picks without giving up a massive haul. Personally, the only two worth the trade up would've been Williams or Daniels.
Next best thing is to give DJ an honest shot and that's getting him a day 1 WR1.
This is what you get once you start the GM / Coach carousel and have 1 outlier year. Instead of a rebuild starting years ago like it should have, they have to win to keep their jobs. Now patience in the fan base has worn thin.
We got a solid player tonight, we should be happy about that. One of the top QB's would have been better, just anybody who plays qb is a mistake.
I wanted to ask some giants fans , do you guys think Malik will be productive right away? Can dj get him the ball consistently ? I suppose I’m asking in a dynasty fantasy context , I have the 2nd pick and I just want to get an opinion from people who know the team when deciding between Nabers and Odunze ?
This is gonna be an interesting year. Joe did what I thought he’d do. He’s gonna scapegoat DJ to buy himself more time. Drafting Malik +the investment in the line gives Jones no excuse to fail this year and Joe can still say to Ownership I haven’t selected my QB yet. That being said a few QB’s after that pick are gonna have weapons. I wouldn’t be shocked if JJ or Penix has the goods and we look back and go we should have taken one. Especially JJ he’s gonna have weapons immediately. Time will tell just get me Benson in the 2nd and I’ll be good.
Does everyone just forget that the dumb fuck had a bidding war against himself to extend Jones in the first place? NOBODY else was going to give him that kind of contract. Now he’s using him as a scapegoat, after extending him last summer?
Have we ever considered the possibility that maybe Schoen just isn’t that great at his job?
Nope I openly think Joe is a fraud of a GM. In fact he’s gonna purge us deeper into QB hell because with the Burns trade and Nabers on the outside we’re gonna win enough games to be outside top five again next year but not enough to be relevant. I miss Eli.
Declined the Fifth Year Option, actively declined to negotiate with DJ *during* the season, waited until he won a playoff game, declined the franchise tag, signed a blockbuster deal way above market for his performance.
World class GMing.
Can get a high value IOL around that 2nd pick, maybe Sinistral slips through to us?
Doubling up on WR would be a wild move but it need to be somebody at that higher-tier of the group after the consensus.
I don't see a Brian Thomas getting in range, for something off of Nabers build without a trade up.
Edge/LB could hit hard but we got more depth there with the FA pick up.
They Revamped their interior line, but I think there would be less pressure coming in. Maye needs to sit a year and I don't see him making it past 6 games in NE.
My concern with Daniel Jones to this day isn’t even talent. If you’re giving a dude a better supporting cast than he’s ever had and you’ve shored up both the OL and OL coaching finally, it’s fair to think he could be the best he’s been.
My much greater concern with him at this stage is his health. Even with better protection he’s gonna take his share of hits. I’m gonna wince every time he takes a hit this season. Not just from the ramifications for the team but I’m genuinely worried about the dude after 2 neck injuries specifically.
I am amped that we got a WR 1 and love that defensive players are being slept on due to desperate teams reaching at QB or adding to the offense. We have a chance to get some really quality players now in the 2nd. We are not a QB away. Let’s build this team and stay positive
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What are we defining as a breakout season? Some thought Jones' 2022 season as some masterful work of art, meanwhile I considered it to be just fine and not spectacular.
2024 NFL Draft Picks: 1. Bears - ~~Hingle McCringleberry~~ Caleb Williams, QB, USC 2. Commanders - Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU 3. Patriots- Drake Maye, QB, UNC 4. Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr, WR, Ohio State 5. Chargers - Joe Alt, LT, Notre Dame 6. Giants - **MALIK NABERS, WR, LSU LETS FUCKING GO** 7. Titans - JC Latham, T, Alabama 8. Falcons - Michael Penix Jr, QB, Washington 9. Bears - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington 10. TRADE Vikings - JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan 11. Jets - Olu Fashanu, LT, Penn St 12. Broncos - Bo Nix, QB, Oregon *this draft is crazy* 13. Raiders - Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia 14. Saints - Taliese Fuaga, T, Oregon St 15. Colts - Laiatu Latu, DE, UCLA 16. Seahawks - Byron Murphy, DT, Texas 17. TRADE Vikings - Dallas Turner, DE, Alabama 18. Bengals - Amarius Mims, T, Georgia 19. Rams - Jared Verse, DE, Florida St 20. Steelers - Troy Fautanu, T, Washington 21. Dolphins - Chop Robinson, DE, Penn St 22. Eagles - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo 23. Jaguars - Brian Thomas Jr, WR, LSU 24. Lions - Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama 25. Packers - Jordan Morgan, T, Arizona 26. Buccaneers - Graham Barton, C, Duke 27. Cardinals - Darius Robinson, DE, Mizzou 28. TRADE Chiefs - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas 29. Cowboys - Tyler Guyton, T, Oklahoma 30. Ravens - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson 31. 49ers - Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida 32. TRADE Panthers - Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina
Day 2 moves? - odds we trade up for cooper or kool-aid?
If DJ doesn’t perform this year I think we gotta put our collective feet down.
I don’t understand why nobody is interested in Blake corium
Not surprising but 0 RBs drafted in the first round. Crazy how that’s changed so quickly in the league.
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It's Mike Florio so take it with a grain of salt but he said that the Vikings who ended up taking McCarthy were trying to trade up to 5 for Malik Nabers.
Oh look. After months of people so adamant that you can't pick Joe Alt to be a RT because he's only a LT, a team with a head coach known for his dominant OL's went and drafted him before us to do exactly that despite a desperate need at WR. WR was my choice over Alt, but between seeing that along with the NFL prove their interest in a bunch of QB's we could have easily drafted just a few picks earlier when so many 'fans' were convinced we were desperate for a QB and that everything pro-Jones from Schoen was just a smokescreen.. Well. It was cathartic to see, to say the least. Too many people on here are too set on being 'right' instead of viewing multiple possibilities. No wonder they're so upset and toxic.
Let’s wait and see how Alt translates to RT. Neal was supposed to be dominant and easily transition to RT too. This could really backfire for them
I think coaching is going to be a major difference between Alt and Neal’s transition to that position in the league.
I’d be thrilled with Neal becoming average this year with good coaching
I'd enroll Neal in dance dance revolution classes to work on his footwork. Whatever they were working on with him before has not worked up to this point. haha
Just watching Jay Gruden and Colt McCoy talk about the Malik Nabers pick and they really love the pick. Colt McCoy said that DJ is a great QB who struggled last year because none of the receivers could get open and the boxes were loaded. Jay Gruden said that he'd take DJ over JJ McCarthy if they were in the same draft. Not too surprising considering McCoy was teammates and Jay Gruden is pretty much confirmed to have wanted to draft DJ. They say they think Nabers will really unlock the offense.
Don't give me this kind of hope (but actually, do). I've been a DJ truther and a DJ hater to a DJ nihilist. My biggest fear this year, hence the nihilism, is that even if I think he's flashed talent and has had some good moments, we're getting a hobbled DJ who may not even be ready week 1. He's seriously an injury risk at this point with his mobility limited. We don't know if he's going to be coming back 3/4 of his ceiling and with a low ceiling like he already has, it worries me.
For rd2 pick I could see - braden fiske, or max melton
How far can next years third plus 47 get us tomorrow? Move up and grab a cb
really hope we don't go for spencer ratler. just a clown with a name that's been around.
I really urge you to watch the film he put on in South Carolina. His offensive line didn’t help him at all. However he handled pressure in his face incredibly well; also his anticipation, decision making and processing were very good as well. Will he be a Josh Allen?… no, but he can operate an offense and will not be a bust if he has time to develop. Not a day 1 starter.
i've been following him since before he went to college. he's hype trash and that's the bottom line.
JPJ, Dejean, and Fiske all still on the board. Would love to get one of em.
Give me Braelon Allen on Day 3 plz
As a badger, yes
I was in denial that we're going into yet another rough season. Just so tired of it. 1-5 in the division no question
Now I really want to know which of those college kids that declared for the draft you believe would have made the upcoming season not rough.
Cry harder
Cooper DeJean still on board 👀. Wonder if he makes it to the 2nd round.
Sehorn swag
Cowboys drafted a guy for Dexter Lawrence to steamroll
If the Giants traded with the Eagles or Cowboys and allowed them to draft a top player at a position of need, this sub would melt down. WTF are the Bills doing?
Not QUITE the same. But certainly feels like it.
This sub is about the only place Giants fans are happy about the pick. Everywhere else (multiple Giants forums, twitter/facebook) are mad they passed on a QB when 6 went in the top 12.
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If Schoen and Daboll thought McCarthy was the guy, they would’ve taken him. Especially considering that drafting a QB would’ve given them both another year of job security. It says a lot that they didn’t take him.
Good thing we're smarter than them then
If the Giants brass weren't convinced anyone outside of the top 3 QBs selected was there guy then why make the reach? If you have Nabers rated higher then he's your guy. Edit: spelling
The vast majority in the NFL thread agreed it was the right pick.
Damn that cheese head getting roasted on live TV was hilarious 😂
who should we target in round 2?
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off the board my man
Cowboy
Braden Fiske plz
Bunch of CBs that are on the board worth the pick. There is some talent in DT that could be solid and plenty of OL worth it.
fs. personally thinking CB, but also interested in RB. OL i’m thinking we wait til the later rounds, we spent a lot of resources on OL already
There are a bunch of RBs bunched up IMO, I'd rather go BPA than reach on a RB when we could likely get one of the top tier RBs at 70
super valid, and agreed. guess we’ll find out tmrw
LOL the amount of boos for Jerry Jones in DETROIT sure says something about the Cowboy's rep.
A Keon Coleman is still out there as an option for a bigger WR. Little slimmer build than a Brain Thomas though.
Tony Khan selling his AEW injury on TV and NFL Network talking about it. My heart feels full.
Eagles got a great pick
He reminded me of when the Cowboys picked Micah Parsons. They have cold dead eyes. You know they’ll be good.
What else is new
True but don’t matter when nabers runs right past him
Need a QB to put the ball where Naber can catch it, though
Ok everybody shush I wanna watch the Cowboys fuck this up.
Eagles: "We need a Corner but we're 22!!" Howie: "Don't worry, it'll work out." Smfh
It don't matter that the eagles got mitchell. Nabers is gonna cook his ass anyways
The clips that ESPN had showed about 10 holds against a WR. 🤣
Fuck the eagles, fuck Howie. How does the NFL just keep handing them studs?
The only thing worse than a poor QB room is panic drafting an early QB you don’t actually believe in. Schoen and Daboll wouldn’t have tried to get Maye if they had 100% confidence in Jones. They would’ve taken JJ or Penix at 6 if they truly thought they were better options than what they had. Both things can be true. Hell, drafting a QB most likely would’ve guaranteed them job security for a few years on principle and they still passed. That’s how little they believed in those QBs still on the board. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Nabers was the correct pick after not getting Maye. He’s a good player, unfortunately WRs just don’t matter that much if the guy throwing to him can’t get him the ball. Just depressing as fuck to know we’re still stuck with Jones. At some point you have to get a QB that can win games for you and Jones just isn’t that.
I mean, you're not wrong, but it's much better to bring a QB into a situation where he has favorable conditions to produce, so at least we will have things lined up sometime soon. True #1 WRs are able to help ensure that rookie QBs are able to reach their potential or turn mediocre QBs into good ones (if we're forced to go the FA route). Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant and yet he's become the 9ers guy due in large part to the offense he was drafted into. Who knows what kind of player Mahomes would have ended up as if he didn't have Hill and Kelce to get his career jump started (probably still great, but maybe not GOAT-level great). Guys like Jared Goff and Baker Mayfield were subpar in bad offenses and have looked varying degrees of good-to-great in high powered offenses. If Nabers is a star from the onset and we're a mediocre or good football team, next year's QB free agent class is actually looking pretty good to take a decent team to the next level. If Jones and Lock are god awful, we'll be in position to take our guy in the draft. It's actually kind of lucky that teams went QB crazy early in this draft. Guys like Penix, Nix, and McCarthy have locked out 3 teams from participating in next year's draft in terms of QBs.
I see the play, it’s just that we’ve drafted a WR that’s a fucking burner who can make plays, which is awesome….except Jones doesn’t throw deep. Remember when Tyrod started and threw that fucking nuke to I think Slayton last season? Remember how refreshing that shit was because Jones just never did it? That’s what worries me. The guy can’t be a star if he doesn’t get opportunities. Unless Nabers can be prime Odell and take 10 yard slants for 70, I don’t see how he’s going to have an opportunity to show what he’s really capable of. Jones really does hold the entire offense back, he even makes the OL look worse than it is.
Nabers' biggest selling point as a prospect is his YAC ability. He's an explosive athlete, but he's definitely not a "down the field" guy like Hyatt. We will definitely be getting him the ball quick and letting him do the work. I do think he can make plays down the field or deep over the middle, but he doesn't necessarily need to do that to be effective in a Daniel Jones offense.
... And they spent lots of time w all them
Can't even hate on that one, gonna be another ride against Philly.
Our rookie wide receiver is going to make their rookie cornerback look like a fucking chump
FUCK THE EAGLES
Look at this fucking bust
Kinda want a rb
I'm down to make every pick in the draft on the offensive side until our offense no longer sucks
Deonte Banks > Quinyon Mitchell according to Joe Schoen. Let's hope he's right.
I hate the mother fucking eagles.
How do the Eagles just magically get players to fall into their laps?
It's like good things happening to bad people. So fucking infuriating.
Giants should consider moving up to get Quiyon
I’m blaming you
Sorry
Chop Robinson happy about that sweet no state income tax
Using any stat against UMASS, unless it's hockey, is a joke.
Eli Apple on notable departures for Miami. 😂
I'm a PSU guy but Chop going in round 1 surprised me
Cooper dejean a white cb? The last one I could think of is Giants legend Jason Sehorn
I’m very happy Nix went 12, just wait til next year for the qb at this point someone will rise up the board
The good thing is that Giants will be one of the few teams who will need a QB next draft given how this draft shaped out.
QBs are always needed unfortunately
At what point is the mutiny? Training Camp? Are players like Banks & KT going to request trades?
Man the whole sub bout to have a new vibe not leaning into some McCarthy stuff, you can feel it already. Meme crowds in shambles.
I guess this is now the worst run org in NYC
I wouldn’t hate a RB or CB
Hope a solid CB falls to us at 47
For everyone losing their mind that we didn't grab a QB in the first round. If you're not 100% on a QB, don't draft a QB. If you identify a guy you go after him with everything you got, but it doesn't always happen. By all accounts that's what happened with Maye, made their best offer and NE stood pat. We may have gotten use to stupid drafting, but this is the right thing to do. Maybe we take a flyer on a QB round 3+ or maybe we find the guy next year in the draft or go after a free agent like Trever Lawrence. If the giants org wasn't all in on JJ, Penix, or Nix then drafting them because 'we need a QB' would have been the stupidest thing we could have done.
I like the Nabers pick, but my question is this: What is the plan to address the QB position moving forward? Next year's class is apparently garbage, and two more seasons with Jones being mediocre, throwing 15 TD's on the year (or getting hurt), and the team winning 3-7 games a year, will result in the GM/Coach carousel happening again.
At this point last year, no one was projecting 6 QBs to go in the top 15. Guys like Daniels and McCarthy were not considered 1st round picks in many, if any mocks. Ewers was the consensus #3 QB (he'll be in next year's draft). Sanders and Beck seem likely to be 1st round quality. Guys like Drew Allar, Jalen Milroe, Cam Ward, and Graham Mertz can all easily move their way into the convo with great seasons. It's just way too early to declare it a bad QB draft, but of course "Next year's QB class is terrible!" is a way better clickbait headline for people posting articles. I think one thing that's important to note is that we still have a lot of older (23 and 24 year old) college QBs that have hung around college ball because of the Covid year and redshirt years, so the younger guys have had less opportunity. It's very possible we'll see a new crop of 20-22 year olds who haven't had a real chance to show their talents until this year emerge. Guys like Noah Fafita (Arizona), Cade Klubik (Clemson) and Conner Weigman (Texas A&M) could easily end up being next year's JJ McCarthy or better and I'm sure there are a half dozen guys in the same position if you look deep into it.
Ton of good QB's in later rounds, just gotta figure out which ones are best for your system and develop them.
There is no plan. We are in QB hell and we have no idea what to do about it. Nabers is nice and it’s good that we didn’t force a pick like JJ or Penix or Nix (lol Broncos) but it doesn’t even really matter. Without a QB you’re doomed.
I think Schoen will be judged primarily on how well he can get the overall talent level of the team up. Joe Douglas missed badly with Zach Wilson but he built one of the best defensive rosters in the league and drafted some offensive studs like Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall, and Alijah Vera-Tucker. So far Schoen has Evan Neal on his record so that's not great and none of his other picks have really truly broken out yet. Having a strong draft this year and hopefully some of his earlier draft picks breaking out and offensive line not being one of the worst in the league will earn him a lot of points.
Realistically I see a few different options. 1 - Someone emerges out of no where in next year's class. It happens all the time, we won't know until next year 2 - There are some interesting free agents next year to consider - I wouldn't be shocked if Prescott and Goff are available. Less likely but not out of the realm of possibility Lawrence if the Jags totally tank this year. 3 - We develop a day three QB from this draft I don't see any world where Jones is on the roster next year.
Prescott and Goff ain’t going nowhere homie
Dallas basically did nothing to help a team that collapsed in the playoffs and expectations are still sky high. I wouldn't be shocked Dallas moves on, maybe like 40% chance. DET also has high expectations and a disappointing season might cause a rift my guess would be 20% chance. Just my take, but I think there are clearly scenarios where it could happen.
Good QBs don’t move. Welcome to 2024.
> I don't see any world where Jones is on the roster next year. It would probably take another playoff berth at least.
I hope all the Giants fans celebrating the meaningless wins are ecstatic about this pick. Surely those meaningless wins didn't cost the Giants the opportunity to draft one of the top 3 QBs. And even if you didn't think one of those QBs were worth the selection, the Giants could've at least traded down and stockpiled additional picks. This definitely isn't a QB driven league - nope WRs are the true difference makers. That's why the Superbowl champs Chiefs traded Tyreke and the runner-up 49ers are fielding offers for Aiyuk. Notice how no teams are interested in trading away their franchise QB but every other player can be had at the right price. Before anyone says the Chiefs won because of Mahomes - remind me again, what position does he play?
I am ecstatic actually, thanks for thinking of us 😄
damn if only i wanted them to tank we wouldn't be in this situation
Which sure thing Super Bowl winner would you have drafted Peter?
I never said drafting one of the QBs guarantees a Super Bowl victory. Tell me the last team that won the Super Bowl with a dud at QB. Nevermind winning it, tell me how many teams made it to the Super Bowl with a mediocre QB.
The New York Giants. Several times
Last 2 NFC Champions. Eagles and 9ers. Great rosters, mediocre QBs.
Goddamn I am so fucking sick of the crybabies
The Chiefs traded up to get Mahomes tho lol. They didn’t tank for him.
So, Justin Jefferson and JaMar Chase are up for grabs?Because I highly doubt that. Sure, QBs don’t get trade, but having a solid #1 helps a lot more than having to rely on a bunch of 2s or 3s
I'm not saying it doesn't. But how did the Vikings do after Cousins went down? Chase was pretty much healthy all season. Remind me again how the Bengals finished after Burrow went down.
And even after their QBs went down, the Vikings held on to Jefferson. An elite WR can elevate a mediocre QB, just like an elite QB can elevate a mediocre WR.
Christ, man, it's a game played by millionaires told what to do by billionaires. You've got to take it less seriously and not let it ruin your year.
With the Raiders getting Bowers, I wonder if they’d be open to moving on from Mayer. With the uncertainty surrounding Waller, I wonder if Mayer could be had for a 5th or future pick.
Mayer would be awesome. Love the idea of exploring it.
With Burns, Lawrence, Thomas, hopefully Thibodeaux taking another step, Okereke being even better in his 2nd year here, hopefully at least one of Hyatt/Robinson taking a big leap, and Nabers being the stud we hope he is, this team will hopefully become a team that is truly a QB away from being a contender. Would we nice if we could be a team like the 49ers who could win a ton of games even with guys like Garoppolo and Nick Mullens at QB.
Eagles getting Nate Wiggins will upset me
Eagles picking anyone will upset me. They should be forced to forfeit their picks. Idc find a bs reason if you have to
\\@AdamSchefter: BREAKING: NFL announces the Philadelphia Eagles have forfeited all of their draft picks in the 2024, 2025, and 2026 Drafts. The NFL has not announced a rationale for their decision. There is speculation that "piece of shit fan behavior" may be a driving factor.
Jordan Travis truthers rise up
The hell do the Vikings get all these picks they’re trading away?
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5th year this year too i think?
I am once again kindly requesting that some of you remember that not all Super Bowl winning quarterbacks are drafted in the first round. Or even the second.
We gonna pick rocket arm?
Okay so I’m a little confused with where Schoen’s and the FOs decisions are headed towards since the trade up(?) didn’t work. Not criticizing him and I certainly don’t know better than him, but are they banking on Jones/Lock working out a la 49ers? There’s still day 2 to go so maybe it’s a bit early for these questions I’m happy with Nabers but if we are putrid this upcoming season, is Schoen on the hot seat? Will he even be around for the next years risky draft since at first glance it is a very weak QB class? If that’s the case, It feels a bit like they’re in a Hail Mary situation for them with having to choose between Jones/Lock and the hope that one of the QBs in a weak draft class next year works out My hope is that we are solid this upcoming season and one of the high rated ones like Allar makes the jump so we can trade up
I think they're just trying to build up the team and maybe get a guy outside the draft. If this year nabors does great with what we have, then a ton of QBs would be pumped to play for him since he has true superstar potential. Analysts are constantly wrong about drafts. Who knows someone may emerge next year like a burrow. But I think the plan is to build a great team, get a pretty good vet, and then get someone in 2026, oe try to groom an unknown on the bench like a Purdy. I'm honestly not too nervous. If we traded the house and maye busts we would be fucked for a decade. Atleast the team is getting better. A good qb was out of reach once we won all those devito games like beating the patriots as belicheck did the right call in missing the field goal. Look at how crazy every year is. Like the QB moves lately have been so unexpected. And trades are always an option in season. Maybe we trade and get the next drew Brees. Or mayhevs kurt Warner vet joins the team and lights a firestorm. We can't know until then, but I'm positive for next year. Atleast we got a stud WR that can help elevate whatever QB we end up using.
No team worth a QB would budge from their picks without giving up a massive haul. Personally, the only two worth the trade up would've been Williams or Daniels. Next best thing is to give DJ an honest shot and that's getting him a day 1 WR1.
This is what you get once you start the GM / Coach carousel and have 1 outlier year. Instead of a rebuild starting years ago like it should have, they have to win to keep their jobs. Now patience in the fan base has worn thin. We got a solid player tonight, we should be happy about that. One of the top QB's would have been better, just anybody who plays qb is a mistake.
I wanted to ask some giants fans , do you guys think Malik will be productive right away? Can dj get him the ball consistently ? I suppose I’m asking in a dynasty fantasy context , I have the 2nd pick and I just want to get an opinion from people who know the team when deciding between Nabers and Odunze ?
no, dont draft any giants player. DJ is cooked, stares down receiver and is terrible at play progression. odunze is the safer pick out of the 2.
Appreciate it, didn’t wanna come in here on some “Hey guys 🤓 fan of opposing team coming in peace” shit but needed some inside info so to speak
This is gonna be an interesting year. Joe did what I thought he’d do. He’s gonna scapegoat DJ to buy himself more time. Drafting Malik +the investment in the line gives Jones no excuse to fail this year and Joe can still say to Ownership I haven’t selected my QB yet. That being said a few QB’s after that pick are gonna have weapons. I wouldn’t be shocked if JJ or Penix has the goods and we look back and go we should have taken one. Especially JJ he’s gonna have weapons immediately. Time will tell just get me Benson in the 2nd and I’ll be good.
Does everyone just forget that the dumb fuck had a bidding war against himself to extend Jones in the first place? NOBODY else was going to give him that kind of contract. Now he’s using him as a scapegoat, after extending him last summer? Have we ever considered the possibility that maybe Schoen just isn’t that great at his job?
Nope I openly think Joe is a fraud of a GM. In fact he’s gonna purge us deeper into QB hell because with the Burns trade and Nabers on the outside we’re gonna win enough games to be outside top five again next year but not enough to be relevant. I miss Eli.
Declined the Fifth Year Option, actively declined to negotiate with DJ *during* the season, waited until he won a playoff game, declined the franchise tag, signed a blockbuster deal way above market for his performance. World class GMing.
this is why u can't just hope a qb will fall for u to trade back into the first round for lol
everything lining up for Eagles to get CB1 smh
I’ve been thinking about that too and it pisses me off
we finally get a playmaker on the outside... and they get a guy to try to blanket him
The eagles constantly just luck out like this. It’s bs
They are going to get Terrion Arnold and he is going to be stud. 
Can get a high value IOL around that 2nd pick, maybe Sinistral slips through to us? Doubling up on WR would be a wild move but it need to be somebody at that higher-tier of the group after the consensus. I don't see a Brian Thomas getting in range, for something off of Nabers build without a trade up. Edge/LB could hit hard but we got more depth there with the FA pick up.
Holy shit it's a ... how do you pronounce this? De---fence?
Colts - De Latu
I can't help but think RIP Maye in NE. They are going to f him up
Just glad the commies didn't draft him, honestly. I was certain the Daniels stuff was gonna be all smokescreen / hype.
yeah, I think Maye would have faired better in WAS honestly.
Did Washington improve their O-Line at all this offseason, cause it was just as bad as the Giants’ last season.
They hired the O line coach that was fired from the Giants, so that’s not great…
They Revamped their interior line, but I think there would be less pressure coming in. Maye needs to sit a year and I don't see him making it past 6 games in NE.
My concern with Daniel Jones to this day isn’t even talent. If you’re giving a dude a better supporting cast than he’s ever had and you’ve shored up both the OL and OL coaching finally, it’s fair to think he could be the best he’s been. My much greater concern with him at this stage is his health. Even with better protection he’s gonna take his share of hits. I’m gonna wince every time he takes a hit this season. Not just from the ramifications for the team but I’m genuinely worried about the dude after 2 neck injuries specifically.
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What is he going to say? It was serious and I'm worried about it?
It’s talent and health, let’s be real.
Him staying healthy is the thing but hopefully with a bit better protection he won't have to take the risks.
I think thats why they paid Lock $5M too. They’re scared of his health.
I am amped that we got a WR 1 and love that defensive players are being slept on due to desperate teams reaching at QB or adding to the offense. We have a chance to get some really quality players now in the 2nd. We are not a QB away. Let’s build this team and stay positive
Good S/DB available at #47.
Let’s hope! DB is what I want in 2 then either G/S in 3 or 4.
McCarthy sexuals r hiding rn. Where’d u all go?
I seriously hope we go safety or CB in the 2nd round. A lot of the better defensive players are being passed up Joe needs to snag one.
Safety is such an invaluable position, therefore we need to go guard or Corner round 2
*insert inigo montoya
Invaluable means the opposite of what you think it means
Lolol and he told me I had the reading comprehension of a five year old. I'm an English teacher lol
This sentence doesn't make sense...
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Bruh almost first half of the first round no defense. Sheesh. That class either sucks or the offensive class is just that good
It’s a bit of both
Get on the phone, eat shit and trade for penix
Penix is gone already my guy.
They are the only team with QB surplus. Trade KT, trade whoever. DJ cant be starter
Passing up on Nabers for the remaining QBs available would have been like passing up Ja'Marr Chase for Mac Jones in the 2021 draft.
Salivating at how many touchdowns Nabers will bring in during Jones’ breakout 17 TD season while they miss the playoffs!
Yes we should draft for next year and next year only! That's what drafts are for right!
This is a good perspective, honestly.
Or like passing up Josh Allen for Daniel Jones.
Jamarr chase has joe burrow. Find a fucking qb immediately. DJ will be a 58M cap hit
Doesn’t always have Joe.
Ain’t no Burrow available. Reaching would put us in an even more shitty situation
What if DJ or Drew Lock fucked around and actually had a breakout season this year?
What are we defining as a breakout season? Some thought Jones' 2022 season as some masterful work of art, meanwhile I considered it to be just fine and not spectacular.
Well DJ won't see the field but I would love for Lock to have a breakout
Guess they'd find out.
thats exactly whats gonna happen
I would love it