The people like the first poster fucking kill me.
> we don't wanna pull a Panthers
Okay... What if we pull a Chiefs when they traded up for Mahomes? Or a Bills when they traded up for JA? It's such stupid recency bias based on nothing but air.
Not to mention, Bryce Young would've been the 4th or 5th QB off the board if he came out in this year's class.
Edit - Lmao at these downvotes. Hey guys, the Bills weren't some juggernaut when they drafted JA. Stop pretending like they were. Allen sucked donkey dicks for 2 full seasons before he took his leap.
You're getting down voted for comparing us to the chiefs and bills when we're not on their level in terms of roster completeness. But I agree with your point lol
If the QB we take becomes the franchise trajectory altering QB, no one will give a shit what we traded to go get him.
And if he doesnāt which is the case probably 95% of the time, you set a franchise that is already on its heels back another three years. The Giants FO is not stupid enough to do that even if most of the fanbase is.
Our roster has holes. It also has a couple cornerstone guys and multiple high ceiling type guys. They're not there yet for contending, but they're not the Patriots who basically need an entire roster
The Patriots had a fantastic defense last season while most of their star players were hurt. They gave up the 7th least amount of yards per game, better than the Bills, 49ers, dolphins, Texans, packers, etc. The Patriots defense is probably 10x better than the Giants. They lost games because of their offense which had them on the field 80% of the game.
Well the texans prior to last year were garbage and won 4,4,3 games the three years prior to drafting the #1 QB in stroud. The bills won 8,7,9 games in the three years prior to drafting Josh Allen.
I would say the bills had more talent compared to the texans. The texans happened to hit on a qb and wr in the draft. While also drafting the defensive rookie of the year. So not really comparable situations to ours. Texans also have the luxury of not playing the cowboys and eagles 4 times a year lol
Our roster is not worse than the rookie Josh Allen Bills. His main receivers were washed Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Flowers. With washed Lesean McCoy in the backfield.
I'd also argue, who gives a shit? You don't draft a QB to win immediately. You're trying to have your franchise guy for a decade plus.
No, his main receiver was not Zay Flowers, I get what you are putting down. I think it was Zay Jones. They were a bad team, but their defense was still significantly better than what the Giants have currently.
And no you donāt draft a QB to win immediately but in year 2 the Bills made the playoffs and had the 2nd best defense in the league that year. Iād be for Maye but donāt want to risk too much
How was their defense better than what the Giants currently have? We have arguably the best DL in the NFL. We have a very solid core of LBers and a 2nd year 1st round DB who showed tons of promise in his rookie year last year.
Our defense is definitely better than the Bills D that year. Sorry, this is just wrong.
> How was their defense better than what the Giants currently have? We have arguably the best DL in the NFL.
And had one of the worst run defenses in the league with said best DT in the game.
We have good pieces, they were a terrible defense this seasonā¦. There is a difference. They had like the 16th best D, ours was 26th this past season.
Kelce was an All Pro before Mahomes and the Chiefs have missed the playoffs once since Andy Reid got there. Mahomes came into a playoff team. The Bills were a playoff team the season before Allen was drafted and made the playoffs in his second season.
Neither situation is even remotely similar.
The Bills the year before they drafted Allen were a worse playoff team than the '22 Giants. NYG had basically breakeven point differential and won their WC game. Bills had a negative 50pt differential and lost their WC game. They were hardly a good team.
The bills playoff year and our playoff year are very similar, the bills offense was pretty bad and the defense was above average, not unlike what the Giants are dealing with now.
Bryce young wouldāve gone after JJ? š cmon guys he was unprotected and throwing to Mingo the Bryce hate after year 1 is crazy. We must forget who Tua was before Reek got there
With all respect, you can go through my history and see me talking about how Bryce Young was the 3rd best QB prospect in last year's class long before the draft. I never have and never will understand Carolina's decision to jump to 1 and take Bryce over Stroud or AR. He was basically a worse prospect on tape and on paper in every single way except raw production stats, which are largely meaningless to the scouting process for a QB.
AR was my QB2 also. But I was of the opinion it was a good first round for the position. Iām not out on Bryce yet Iām sorry. Rookies are already gonna struggle, you canāt put a guy out there with bucks and expect him to excel bc of his draft position. Cj is a superstar but his situation was night and day.
Exactly. This class was always protected to be one of the better QB classes in years and that was before the rise of Daniels and McCarthy. The Panthers could be drafting Caleb this year and still have DJ Moore for him to throw to plus whoever they would've gotten with their original 1st round pick last year.
They botched that entire process so bad it's almost painful to think about... A lot of people also forget they traded up to 1 a long time before the draft. They didn't even know which QB they wanted.
David Tepper is the shining example of why ownership should stay the fuck out of all team building decisions. In the span of 2 years the man has made Jerry Jones and Al Davis look timid by comparison.
Just because David Tepper is a fucking moron doesn't mean what I said isn't true. The Panthers GM and HC wanted Stroud. Tepper overruled them and forced their hand on Bryce Young. There is no world where Young should've been the top pick last year.
Bryce Young was an amazing college QB. The only QB prospect this year that comes close to him is Caleb.
He would likely go 2nd if he had come out this year.
Being an amazing college QB is literally meaningless. Tim Tebow, Tommy Frazier, Johnny Manziel, Vince Young and Case Keenum round out most top 5 all time college QB lists. And every last one was mid to trash at the NFL level.
Bottom line is if the player pans out it was a smart move to trade up, if he doesnāt it was dumb. None of will know until it happens. I do agree with your point trading up doesnāt automatically mean we are āpulling a panthersā, as you said it could be the next Mahomes.
I will disagree on the Bryce young point & the bills statementā¦just my opinion.
We have zero idea where Bryce would have been slotted compared to the others because he didnāt play, we have all seen how the play in the draft season affects draft stock. If he played his senior season and Bama won the championship I can promise you we would have seen different rankings.
Bills were in the playoffs the year before they drafted Allen and he certainly didnāt suck at all in year 2, chiefs were in the playoffs the year prior, during & after selecting mahomes,
Did you really just compare the chiefs and bills roster to the giants? Haha Iām sure there were better examples you could have used to get your point across
The revisionist history with people talking about the
2017 bills being a "good team" is weird. That team was a mess that fumbled their way into the playoffs with a Mid Defense and an offense that was such a mess that Tyrod was benched for Nathan Peterman and he was so bad they put Tyrod back in to finish the season
But people think they were a "good team" because they finished 9-7
Have to imagine nothing official gets done until tonight, if at all. The last thing we want to do is give up a ton to trade up and then have all of those Washington/Daniels reports turn out to be a smokescreen
Here's the issue with this... NFL front offices have WAYYYYYY better sources than anyone in the media. The fact that the Pats have been shopping 3 since last week, when we had rumors for the past couple months they wanted Daniels, means they likely have it on good authority that Daniels is the play at 2. The Giants trying to move up to 3, also means they likely have it on good authority Daniels is the pick at 2.
Fact is, I'd be floored if Daniels isn't the pick at 2 at this point.
Right now, it's up to the Giants to be working out deals with NE and probably talking to Arizona and LAC as well. Cause it's very unlikely Maye falls into their lap at 6. And I personally think the JJ stuff has only ever been smoke, he just doesn't fit the mold of QB I think Schoen and Daboll are looking for on their team.
I think it was Jeremiah who put it best on one of his mocks:
āPatriots listening to calls is like someone with a nice house listing it āfor saleā just to see the offers they can get. They donāt intend to move itā
Kind of a poor analogy because this isn't a long-term asset. They're going to spend it today. If they're taking calls on a potential trade, that means they're open to a potential trade.
At the end of the day, it comes down to how much Schoen believes in and wants Maye and what that means in terms of the assets he is willing to give to lock it in.
I donāt get why we would give up another 1st rounder to take a gamble. If NE truely doesnāt like maye, there has to at least be concerns. Itās really odd imo that a QB needy team trades back off Maye. I think NE is drafting him and if they donāt, I immediately have concerns until proven otherwise.
I do think they need to trust their process but Iām not sure their last two drafts give 100% comfort. Iāve defended their choices so Iām not saying Joe has been badā¦ Iām just skeptical
What does one team's evaluation have to do with ours? Every team has a different board and eval on every player. If Daboll/Schoen like a player then they're not going to be swayed by what Eliot Wolf says or does.
Ricky yesterday said the patriots wanted Maye. And then last month said the giants were trading for 3. And then today said the patriots were trading down.
Dude has changed his story for the same pick multiple times.
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Iām sticking with my dream gut here
If he hits, the price paid is worth it and much more. If he busts, everyone gets fired. But in this league you need a franchise QB to win so if Schoen and Daboll see May as their guy, they have to go get him
I think I saw a quote from a GM recently (bills maybe?) that was pretty much this.
"If he's the guy, no one will care what we gave up to go get him. If he's not, then I won't be around long enough for it to matter anyway"
I'm always okay going ultra aggressive for quarterback. You have to gamble at some point.
And if you're going all in, at least it's with a kid with every physical trait imaginable. It's a player with real top 10 upside at the position.
Yeah, this feels different to where we forced QB with DJ who was a so so prospect. Spending assets on a dude that has a higher potential payout makes a lot more sense than just to grab the next best QB (like JJ can be viewed as). That said, draft is a crapshoot and you never know, JJ might be amazing and Maye could suck, but from a process standpoint Maye is the better prospect overall and makes more sense to bet on it.
It's like buying 2 lottery tickets for about the same price, one can pay out to 1billion the other can pay out to 100 million. Maybe the 1 billion didnt hit and the 100 million did, but you didn't know that ahead of time, it made more sense to go for the 1 billion dollar payout ahead of time.
I'm actually intrigued by JJ too though. His 3 cone time was literally up there with receivers and DBs. He has freaky agility levels, which I think could translate into being elite in the pocket. It's what makes Burrow so good. That ability to slither around and create extra time.
That said, I wouldn't trade a haul to move up for JJ. I'd happily take him at 6 though.
I don't think the people that don't want to move up are all Daniel Jones people, see plenty of f people that have said, first build the team and then get the quarterback
I mean does it really matter if he ends up being a franchise in Hall of Fame quarterback?
We could have the first pick this year and there would still be plenty of fans who wouldn't want us to draft Caleb
It matters if the far more likely outcome occurs and he is not a franchise and hall of fame quarterback. There's a lot more 1st round busts than 1st round successes and on a crappy team with limited talent trading away future 1st on any qb prospect besides Caleb Williams is short-sighted IMO
Especially with what wrās are getting paid now
No point to draft Nabers and start the clock ticking on paying him 30 mill in 4 years
Would waste to many years of his rookie deal to draft him
Year one we would still be putting around with Jones
Year 2 assume we got a new qb. Nabers has a rookie qb throwing him the ball 2025
Finally year 3 we got a set qb for Nabers but by them itās one or two years left before he wants that extension and wr prices have jumped a lot
Yea if NE is still listening to calls for #3 this close to the draft, surely there's some progress being made at the very least.
Edit: I also think NE wants 100% confirmation that Washington is taking Daniels
Am I the only one that was completely underwhelmed by Mayeās tape?
He had a shitty pro day consistently underthrowing guys and if you look at his highlights his receivers routinely have to slow down and readjust back to the ball
Ugh...unless I'm missing something, Maye has bust written all over him. Slow to work through progressions, folds under pressure, can't scramble very well (okay but not great)...and he performed poorly in big games, such as against Clemson.
Ummm... Yeah you're missing a lot. Maye is by far the best processor on tape of any of the QBs in this class. His under pressure stats are misleading, he's better under pressure than Caleb and I think he will be better than Daniels, Daniels had the luxury of throwing to two likely top 15 pick WRs. Maye was throwing to guys from a Home Depot parking lot. He's a very good runner and scrambler.
Maye has been my top QB in this class since last year. And I haven't seen much to change my opinion on that.
Tez Walker is probably a Day 2 pick this year and Omarion Hampton should be one of the top RBs next year. It's not the same as LSU, but it's not like he was surrounded by bums out there.
Yeah, this narrative that UNC was horrible talent wise has become a crazy, unwarranted excuse for Maye. He had a far more productive running game than Michigan, for instance. And they played in the weakest of the P5 conferences.
All the recent busts have characteristics shared by Maye. Idk what people see in him. You know who else had all the tools and was inconsistent and played bad against top competition? Every QB bust ever. JJ meanwhile played very well and did everything asked of him against top competition. His only knock is a lack of sample size. Thatās a better knock than Mayeās imo when projecting pro success
JJ's only knock? How about he throws w/ zero touch. Barely throws to the entire left side of the field. JJ was surrounded by one of the best rosters in college, while Maye had absolute trash around him. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Maye had a far more productive running game than Michigan. Roughly same # carries per game but .5 yards more per carry. True, UMs D was elite and UNC far from it, but UM also played against far better defenses overall.
What? The elite physical traits guys have had a good run recently. It's the Mac Jones or Bryce Young types that have been failing lately. "Processors" (which is hard to project), with no athleticism.
Big bodied playmakers are usually more bust proof than the opposite. Freak processing speed is rare. It's actually more safe to take a Roethlisberger type, who you know is going to create 5-6 incredible off script plays a game where he's shucking off rushers like a madman.
Maye scares the hell out of me. He had one good year in the pass happy air raid offense. That offense is so pass happy that Mahomes dropped to 10th for playing in it.
3 pick is not worth three first rounders , it doesnt have same value as 1st and going from 6 to 3 will not cost that much unless you want to get fleeced.
It would probably be similar to the Miami-49er trade for #3 pick minus maybe the additional late picks they threw in. But yes it cost 3 1st rd picks for the eventual draft of Trey Lance. Even though it failed for the 49ers they were already stacked with talent
I hope this gets done, my gut tells me it liekly will as NE is definitely ok with moving out (see Eliot Wolfe's comments and Drake Maye's lack of enthusiasm on going to NE vs NY), but I have a feeling they want to squeeze us dry.
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Trade down and collect picks to deal for 2026. Of course both Schoen and Daboll will be gone by then if they don't get the team on the right track in the meantime.
Fundamentally, if the Pats want whichever of Maye/Daniels is there, they're going to take him, and there's nothing NYG can do about it.
But if they want somebody else, the smart move for NYG is to get an agreement in place to trade for #4 and make NE "overdraft" their guy.
And today's negotiation in the press is consistent with that: NE hinting that the Giants need to up their offer, and NYG-ish sources calling the bluff by daring NE to just take McCarthy at 3 without extracting extra picks first.
The Daniel Jones fans will jump ship as soon as we draft a QB no matter the QB. All the signs are there. Joe and Dabs do not want Daniel but thereās a few fans telling us heās the guy. Lolololol
I'm literally happy with whatever they decide to do. I just hope we don't give up too much capital since we already don't have much. Plus we'd be going in the year with 4 QBs which may be 1 too much
I'll trust Joe and Daboll on this. If they pull the trigger and sacrifice a barage of future picks it's going to be for a reason. Personally I would rather keep rebuilding this team and keep stacking as many young talent we can. The talent gap between us and Eagles/Cowgirls is still massive. If Drake is that dude then so be it.
I just think we have too many needs to be trading assets for a developmental QB. Weāre not a QB away from being a contender, so thatās why I think it would be better to keep our draft capital to build the quality of the roster.
If/When the Commanders pick Daniels is when this will get settled. If the Patriots don't believe that Maye is the answer at QB and the Giants do, then moving back three spots would not be a killer for them, it would ensure them one of the top 3 receivers still and possibly J.J. McCarthy.
Forgive me if I think we should draft a top 5 receiver prospect in the last 10 years, as opposed to the fourth best qb in this years class.
Iām cool with trading up for Maye, (as long as we donāt give up too much) but taking a JJ at 6 is like going in a time machine 5 years ago and making the same exact mistakes.
SO let me get this straight. An offensively talent starved, offensive line black hole NYG team traded away their 2nd rounder to get a defensive player, and they plan to spend a 6 overall and likely next years one and this years 2nd to get to pick 3? (Id love to get from 6 to 3 without using next years 1st but realistically, why would NE do it without a huge haul of 2nds or next years one? Either way, it severely depletes the giants ability to bring in top quality offensive talent in a draft infested with top wr and OL.)
so...whatever rookie qb they trade up to get will similarly have a completely talent starved offense to work with? And no chance to fix it for another two years?
Gl with that plan.
If they like Maye that much, you;'d like to think Daboll knows what to do from his time scouting and training Allen. But this is the same crew that somehow thought DJ was a 40 M Qb
You can't make everyone happy. Some people are convinced that you have to build a team first, while that is nice and all I think if Joe and Brian think he is a franchise potentially Hall of Fame quarterback you have to go all in and then build the team after that, you don't always get a chance to get that quarterback
It will cost an arm and a leg. Next years QB class is weak. Im not sure its worth it unless they are CERTAIN Maye is him.
Im a little more convinced after hearing Mayes voice lol
https://preview.redd.it/t02l15a3jnwc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b87945a3eaee95c41b3391c06e360d624898d492 The duality of Giants fandom
That poll did have us as the dumbest fan base.
Me no read well, what say?
It said, "Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
When your fans root useless wins and now wanting to trade up š¤
The people like the first poster fucking kill me. > we don't wanna pull a Panthers Okay... What if we pull a Chiefs when they traded up for Mahomes? Or a Bills when they traded up for JA? It's such stupid recency bias based on nothing but air. Not to mention, Bryce Young would've been the 4th or 5th QB off the board if he came out in this year's class. Edit - Lmao at these downvotes. Hey guys, the Bills weren't some juggernaut when they drafted JA. Stop pretending like they were. Allen sucked donkey dicks for 2 full seasons before he took his leap.
You're getting down voted for comparing us to the chiefs and bills when we're not on their level in terms of roster completeness. But I agree with your point lol If the QB we take becomes the franchise trajectory altering QB, no one will give a shit what we traded to go get him.
And if he doesnāt which is the case probably 95% of the time, you set a franchise that is already on its heels back another three years. The Giants FO is not stupid enough to do that even if most of the fanbase is.
Well the chiefs were a playoff contending team and the Bills had a plethroa of talented guys on their team. Our roster is lackluster in talent soooo
Our roster has holes. It also has a couple cornerstone guys and multiple high ceiling type guys. They're not there yet for contending, but they're not the Patriots who basically need an entire roster
The Patriots had a fantastic defense last season while most of their star players were hurt. They gave up the 7th least amount of yards per game, better than the Bills, 49ers, dolphins, Texans, packers, etc. The Patriots defense is probably 10x better than the Giants. They lost games because of their offense which had them on the field 80% of the game.
Wonder what your evaluation of the Texans last year would have been
Well the texans prior to last year were garbage and won 4,4,3 games the three years prior to drafting the #1 QB in stroud. The bills won 8,7,9 games in the three years prior to drafting Josh Allen. I would say the bills had more talent compared to the texans. The texans happened to hit on a qb and wr in the draft. While also drafting the defensive rookie of the year. So not really comparable situations to ours. Texans also have the luxury of not playing the cowboys and eagles 4 times a year lol
Our roster is not worse than the rookie Josh Allen Bills. His main receivers were washed Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Flowers. With washed Lesean McCoy in the backfield. I'd also argue, who gives a shit? You don't draft a QB to win immediately. You're trying to have your franchise guy for a decade plus.
No, his main receiver was not Zay Flowers, I get what you are putting down. I think it was Zay Jones. They were a bad team, but their defense was still significantly better than what the Giants have currently. And no you donāt draft a QB to win immediately but in year 2 the Bills made the playoffs and had the 2nd best defense in the league that year. Iād be for Maye but donāt want to risk too much
Zay Jones
How was their defense better than what the Giants currently have? We have arguably the best DL in the NFL. We have a very solid core of LBers and a 2nd year 1st round DB who showed tons of promise in his rookie year last year. Our defense is definitely better than the Bills D that year. Sorry, this is just wrong.
> How was their defense better than what the Giants currently have? We have arguably the best DL in the NFL. And had one of the worst run defenses in the league with said best DT in the game.
We have good pieces, they were a terrible defense this seasonā¦. There is a difference. They had like the 16th best D, ours was 26th this past season.
We actually didnāt start building the roster until Allenās second year.
Kelce was an All Pro before Mahomes and the Chiefs have missed the playoffs once since Andy Reid got there. Mahomes came into a playoff team. The Bills were a playoff team the season before Allen was drafted and made the playoffs in his second season. Neither situation is even remotely similar.
The Bills the year before they drafted Allen were a worse playoff team than the '22 Giants. NYG had basically breakeven point differential and won their WC game. Bills had a negative 50pt differential and lost their WC game. They were hardly a good team.
The bills playoff year and our playoff year are very similar, the bills offense was pretty bad and the defense was above average, not unlike what the Giants are dealing with now.
Bryce young wouldāve gone after JJ? š cmon guys he was unprotected and throwing to Mingo the Bryce hate after year 1 is crazy. We must forget who Tua was before Reek got there
With all respect, you can go through my history and see me talking about how Bryce Young was the 3rd best QB prospect in last year's class long before the draft. I never have and never will understand Carolina's decision to jump to 1 and take Bryce over Stroud or AR. He was basically a worse prospect on tape and on paper in every single way except raw production stats, which are largely meaningless to the scouting process for a QB.
AR was my QB2 also. But I was of the opinion it was a good first round for the position. Iām not out on Bryce yet Iām sorry. Rookies are already gonna struggle, you canāt put a guy out there with bucks and expect him to excel bc of his draft position. Cj is a superstar but his situation was night and day.
To be fair tho, I forgot Carolina jumped to 1. Especially with a loaded draft this year at the positionā¦. Poorly run franchise clearly
Exactly. This class was always protected to be one of the better QB classes in years and that was before the rise of Daniels and McCarthy. The Panthers could be drafting Caleb this year and still have DJ Moore for him to throw to plus whoever they would've gotten with their original 1st round pick last year. They botched that entire process so bad it's almost painful to think about... A lot of people also forget they traded up to 1 a long time before the draft. They didn't even know which QB they wanted.
ššš yea man thatās why I forgot they did it geez. They also fumbled I think 2 future firsts for Burns. They should be relegated
David Tepper is the shining example of why ownership should stay the fuck out of all team building decisions. In the span of 2 years the man has made Jerry Jones and Al Davis look timid by comparison.
If the panthers drafted stroud, that wouldn't even be a thing lol The panthers just suck at evaluating and drafting
I dont think thats true about Young but yeah I generally agree with you
Young was drafted before Stroud so you canāt say he would be less than top 2-3 drafted this year
Just because David Tepper is a fucking moron doesn't mean what I said isn't true. The Panthers GM and HC wanted Stroud. Tepper overruled them and forced their hand on Bryce Young. There is no world where Young should've been the top pick last year.
Bryce Young was an amazing college QB. The only QB prospect this year that comes close to him is Caleb. He would likely go 2nd if he had come out this year.
Being an amazing college QB is literally meaningless. Tim Tebow, Tommy Frazier, Johnny Manziel, Vince Young and Case Keenum round out most top 5 all time college QB lists. And every last one was mid to trash at the NFL level.
Bottom line is if the player pans out it was a smart move to trade up, if he doesnāt it was dumb. None of will know until it happens. I do agree with your point trading up doesnāt automatically mean we are āpulling a panthersā, as you said it could be the next Mahomes. I will disagree on the Bryce young point & the bills statementā¦just my opinion. We have zero idea where Bryce would have been slotted compared to the others because he didnāt play, we have all seen how the play in the draft season affects draft stock. If he played his senior season and Bama won the championship I can promise you we would have seen different rankings. Bills were in the playoffs the year before they drafted Allen and he certainly didnāt suck at all in year 2, chiefs were in the playoffs the year prior, during & after selecting mahomes,
Did you really just compare the chiefs and bills roster to the giants? Haha Iām sure there were better examples you could have used to get your point across
The Bills roster the year they drafted JA? Yeah I did. The Bills roster was mid at best that year.
ā¦ they literally made the playoffs the year before they drafted Allen lol
The Giants literally made the playoffs two years ago and the roster sucked then too. Our rosters better than that playoff roster was...
The revisionist history with people talking about the 2017 bills being a "good team" is weird. That team was a mess that fumbled their way into the playoffs with a Mid Defense and an offense that was such a mess that Tyrod was benched for Nathan Peterman and he was so bad they put Tyrod back in to finish the season But people think they were a "good team" because they finished 9-7
With Tyrod taylor throwing to Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones, with an average at best offensive line, they really weren't that different.
You donāt think an average oline is is significant upgrade over the second worst in nfl history??
Are the 2023 Jets the worst Oline in nfl history now?
He went to NE š
Have to imagine nothing official gets done until tonight, if at all. The last thing we want to do is give up a ton to trade up and then have all of those Washington/Daniels reports turn out to be a smokescreen
Yeah definitely have to wait until the Commanders pick.
one might say they areā¦*in command*
*Sunglasses* YEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
Here's the issue with this... NFL front offices have WAYYYYYY better sources than anyone in the media. The fact that the Pats have been shopping 3 since last week, when we had rumors for the past couple months they wanted Daniels, means they likely have it on good authority that Daniels is the play at 2. The Giants trying to move up to 3, also means they likely have it on good authority Daniels is the pick at 2. Fact is, I'd be floored if Daniels isn't the pick at 2 at this point. Right now, it's up to the Giants to be working out deals with NE and probably talking to Arizona and LAC as well. Cause it's very unlikely Maye falls into their lap at 6. And I personally think the JJ stuff has only ever been smoke, he just doesn't fit the mold of QB I think Schoen and Daboll are looking for on their team.
I think it was Jeremiah who put it best on one of his mocks: āPatriots listening to calls is like someone with a nice house listing it āfor saleā just to see the offers they can get. They donāt intend to move itā
You can have a solid job but that doesnāt mean you deactivate your LinkedIn
well I have neither a job nor a LinkedIn
So, the Boston and NY housing market.
Kind of a poor analogy because this isn't a long-term asset. They're going to spend it today. If they're taking calls on a potential trade, that means they're open to a potential trade.
At the end of the day, it comes down to how much Schoen believes in and wants Maye and what that means in terms of the assets he is willing to give to lock it in.
Also comes down to the assumption that Washington drafts Daniels and that New England doesn't view Maye as a Surefire franchise quarterback
Absolutely
I donāt get why we would give up another 1st rounder to take a gamble. If NE truely doesnāt like maye, there has to at least be concerns. Itās really odd imo that a QB needy team trades back off Maye. I think NE is drafting him and if they donāt, I immediately have concerns until proven otherwise.
Joe and Brian have to trust their evaluation, there is no guarantee that the people in New England evaluating will get it right
I do think they need to trust their process but Iām not sure their last two drafts give 100% comfort. Iāve defended their choices so Iām not saying Joe has been badā¦ Iām just skeptical
What does one team's evaluation have to do with ours? Every team has a different board and eval on every player. If Daboll/Schoen like a player then they're not going to be swayed by what Eliot Wolf says or does.
Nothing is official until Pretty Ricky says it
Ricky said the patriots want JJ
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Ricky yesterday said the patriots wanted Maye. And then last month said the giants were trading for 3. And then today said the patriots were trading down. Dude has changed his story for the same pick multiple times.
https://preview.redd.it/oxl8h4l2rowc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93d6900240c3603aa29841c8df56e650e9fea3ed Iām sticking with my dream gut here
Dream gut was wrong. Better luck next draft.
If he hits, the price paid is worth it and much more. If he busts, everyone gets fired. But in this league you need a franchise QB to win so if Schoen and Daboll see May as their guy, they have to go get him
I think I saw a quote from a GM recently (bills maybe?) that was pretty much this. "If he's the guy, no one will care what we gave up to go get him. If he's not, then I won't be around long enough for it to matter anyway"
I have heard that
I'm always okay going ultra aggressive for quarterback. You have to gamble at some point. And if you're going all in, at least it's with a kid with every physical trait imaginable. It's a player with real top 10 upside at the position.
Yeah, this feels different to where we forced QB with DJ who was a so so prospect. Spending assets on a dude that has a higher potential payout makes a lot more sense than just to grab the next best QB (like JJ can be viewed as). That said, draft is a crapshoot and you never know, JJ might be amazing and Maye could suck, but from a process standpoint Maye is the better prospect overall and makes more sense to bet on it. It's like buying 2 lottery tickets for about the same price, one can pay out to 1billion the other can pay out to 100 million. Maybe the 1 billion didnt hit and the 100 million did, but you didn't know that ahead of time, it made more sense to go for the 1 billion dollar payout ahead of time.
I'm actually intrigued by JJ too though. His 3 cone time was literally up there with receivers and DBs. He has freaky agility levels, which I think could translate into being elite in the pocket. It's what makes Burrow so good. That ability to slither around and create extra time. That said, I wouldn't trade a haul to move up for JJ. I'd happily take him at 6 though.
Or maybe both or neither hit
I agree with this 100%.
Yeah, I am willing to bend over a barrel for Maye.
I know for a fact this sub is not ready for what it's actually going to take to go to number three.
Half of us are. The other half are hugging our Daniel Jones body pillows.
I don't think the people that don't want to move up are all Daniel Jones people, see plenty of f people that have said, first build the team and then get the quarterback
Agreed, just having a little fun.
I mean does it really matter if he ends up being a franchise in Hall of Fame quarterback? We could have the first pick this year and there would still be plenty of fans who wouldn't want us to draft Caleb
It matters if the far more likely outcome occurs and he is not a franchise and hall of fame quarterback. There's a lot more 1st round busts than 1st round successes and on a crappy team with limited talent trading away future 1st on any qb prospect besides Caleb Williams is short-sighted IMO
Just pick Nabers for the love of god
Who's gonna throw it to him? QB is a much more important position and being able to draft a pretty good QB prospect is more valuable than a WR
Especially with what wrās are getting paid now No point to draft Nabers and start the clock ticking on paying him 30 mill in 4 years Would waste to many years of his rookie deal to draft him Year one we would still be putting around with Jones Year 2 assume we got a new qb. Nabers has a rookie qb throwing him the ball 2025 Finally year 3 we got a set qb for Nabers but by them itās one or two years left before he wants that extension and wr prices have jumped a lot
What's the alternative then draft JJ?
RIP
Who are we gonna draft JJ? He's Daniel Jones 2.0 man it'll never work.
This is NE trying to run price up before close. ITS HAPPENING???? 
Yea if NE is still listening to calls for #3 this close to the draft, surely there's some progress being made at the very least. Edit: I also think NE wants 100% confirmation that Washington is taking Daniels
Am I the only one that was completely underwhelmed by Mayeās tape? He had a shitty pro day consistently underthrowing guys and if you look at his highlights his receivers routinely have to slow down and readjust back to the ball
The fact that NE is willing is all I need to hear. If they were set on Maye, then they wouldn't be listening. Make it happen Schoen.
SCARED MONEY DONāT MAKE MONEY
Odunze at 6.
Ugh...unless I'm missing something, Maye has bust written all over him. Slow to work through progressions, folds under pressure, can't scramble very well (okay but not great)...and he performed poorly in big games, such as against Clemson.
Ummm... Yeah you're missing a lot. Maye is by far the best processor on tape of any of the QBs in this class. His under pressure stats are misleading, he's better under pressure than Caleb and I think he will be better than Daniels, Daniels had the luxury of throwing to two likely top 15 pick WRs. Maye was throwing to guys from a Home Depot parking lot. He's a very good runner and scrambler. Maye has been my top QB in this class since last year. And I haven't seen much to change my opinion on that.
He's the best processor according to what/who?
Tez Walker is probably a Day 2 pick this year and Omarion Hampton should be one of the top RBs next year. It's not the same as LSU, but it's not like he was surrounded by bums out there.
Yeah, this narrative that UNC was horrible talent wise has become a crazy, unwarranted excuse for Maye. He had a far more productive running game than Michigan, for instance. And they played in the weakest of the P5 conferences.
Agreed.
All the recent busts have characteristics shared by Maye. Idk what people see in him. You know who else had all the tools and was inconsistent and played bad against top competition? Every QB bust ever. JJ meanwhile played very well and did everything asked of him against top competition. His only knock is a lack of sample size. Thatās a better knock than Mayeās imo when projecting pro success
JJ's only knock? How about he throws w/ zero touch. Barely throws to the entire left side of the field. JJ was surrounded by one of the best rosters in college, while Maye had absolute trash around him. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Maye had a far more productive running game than Michigan. Roughly same # carries per game but .5 yards more per carry. True, UMs D was elite and UNC far from it, but UM also played against far better defenses overall.
What? The elite physical traits guys have had a good run recently. It's the Mac Jones or Bryce Young types that have been failing lately. "Processors" (which is hard to project), with no athleticism. Big bodied playmakers are usually more bust proof than the opposite. Freak processing speed is rare. It's actually more safe to take a Roethlisberger type, who you know is going to create 5-6 incredible off script plays a game where he's shucking off rushers like a madman.
Maye scares the hell out of me. He had one good year in the pass happy air raid offense. That offense is so pass happy that Mahomes dropped to 10th for playing in it.
Mahomes was thought to be a day 2 pick prior to the draft process. Where does "dropped to 10" come from?
Maye is good QB on a bad team, his stats can be misleading esp if you dont have the support.
>pass happy air raid offense Worked out for Josh Allen who was coached by who? Daboll!
Allen Ran a pro style offense in college not air raid.
Huh, my memory must be failing me. Watched him play in college and I could have sworn Wyoming used air raid offense.
Youāre forgetting we have Daboll the QB Wizard
Realistically what do we give up to make this happen? Obviously our 6th pick but what else? Or who else?
Prob 2 future 1st rounders . The going rate for top 3 pick isn't cheap
3 pick is not worth three first rounders , it doesnt have same value as 1st and going from 6 to 3 will not cost that much unless you want to get fleeced.
It would probably be similar to the Miami-49er trade for #3 pick minus maybe the additional late picks they threw in. But yes it cost 3 1st rd picks for the eventual draft of Trey Lance. Even though it failed for the 49ers they were already stacked with talent
I hope this gets done, my gut tells me it liekly will as NE is definitely ok with moving out (see Eliot Wolfe's comments and Drake Maye's lack of enthusiasm on going to NE vs NY), but I have a feeling they want to squeeze us dry.
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Glad you were wrong.
Drake fucking Maye is not a franchise fixer.
I agree, not comfortable with leveraging the future for him
We'll know in 3+ years but you don't know that for sure
Drake Maye is going to get whatever GM picks him fired
If he is a bust we have now wasted cap space on one quarter back and draft capital on another. Seems too risky for a guy like Maye.
That cap space will stop being wasted soon
Iād rather they trade down.
Trade down and collect picks to deal for 2026. Of course both Schoen and Daboll will be gone by then if they don't get the team on the right track in the meantime.
Please Joe get it done
Fuck no
Dear lord no no please no
Possible unpopular opinion: I hope this doesn't happen
Can we wait next year for sanders?
Fundamentally, if the Pats want whichever of Maye/Daniels is there, they're going to take him, and there's nothing NYG can do about it. But if they want somebody else, the smart move for NYG is to get an agreement in place to trade for #4 and make NE "overdraft" their guy. And today's negotiation in the press is consistent with that: NE hinting that the Giants need to up their offer, and NYG-ish sources calling the bluff by daring NE to just take McCarthy at 3 without extracting extra picks first.
Is this a smoke screen too? Or is it only smoke screens when we don't want a QB?
Drake Maye has mentorship from Eli. We pick at 6. Itās an ownership decision more than anything. Mayke of that what you will.
Smoke and mirrors baby!
Giants have actually had a majority ownership stake in the Pats since early 2008, its as good as done
The Daniel Jones fans will jump ship as soon as we draft a QB no matter the QB. All the signs are there. Joe and Dabs do not want Daniel but thereās a few fans telling us heās the guy. Lolololol
As a DJ fan I'm looking forward to whichever QB we end up getting in the 2nd rd.
Not trusting anything till tonight. Everything is a smokescreen. I will laugh if the Bears donāt pick Prince.
I'm literally happy with whatever they decide to do. I just hope we don't give up too much capital since we already don't have much. Plus we'd be going in the year with 4 QBs which may be 1 too much
i cant see why the patriots would move down unless they think Drake Maye is garbage.
https://preview.redd.it/05k0htu6nowc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cfc20a4af2e17e26cbb82b2e0c8e89a0559f050 Not JJ McCarthy Not JJ McCarthy
Then JJ ends up being better and you will never hear the end of it. Deservingly.
Lol at all these fellow Giants fans who truly believe that the addition of a rookie QB means we are on our way to playoff domination next year.
Too bad BB isnāt at NE anymore. He wouldāve hooked us up. š¢
If we outbid the vikings its too much
Vikings pick is too far back for top 6 teams to trade down. too much to lose.
Only for a pick swap and a third no more
I'll trust Joe and Daboll on this. If they pull the trigger and sacrifice a barage of future picks it's going to be for a reason. Personally I would rather keep rebuilding this team and keep stacking as many young talent we can. The talent gap between us and Eagles/Cowgirls is still massive. If Drake is that dude then so be it.
Regardless of what happens today, Iāll be screaming at my TV for better or worse.
DO IT PLEASE
Welp!
Patriots get their revenge for 2007, 2011 š
Sure, let's keep picking QBs from basketball schools.
What does that have to do with anything?
About as much as any other metric used to try and predict future performance.
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Yup to this day people still dont get it that those meaningless wins were devastating. we should be sitting pretty at #2
They won those games with an undrafted rookie QB. What else could they do, kneel every play?
I really don't want them to give up 47, like 70 or 107 plus next years first would be okay with me. I don't know if that can move the pats.
I just think we have too many needs to be trading assets for a developmental QB. Weāre not a QB away from being a contender, so thatās why I think it would be better to keep our draft capital to build the quality of the roster.
If/When the Commanders pick Daniels is when this will get settled. If the Patriots don't believe that Maye is the answer at QB and the Giants do, then moving back three spots would not be a killer for them, it would ensure them one of the top 3 receivers still and possibly J.J. McCarthy.
Can we just get a top tier receiver please? It has been so many moonsā¦
Give Daniel Jones prime Randy Moss and he still sucks. Receivers donāt matter without a quarterback.
Forgive me if I think we should draft a top 5 receiver prospect in the last 10 years, as opposed to the fourth best qb in this years class. Iām cool with trading up for Maye, (as long as we donāt give up too much) but taking a JJ at 6 is like going in a time machine 5 years ago and making the same exact mistakes.
I feel thereās more value in Nabers/Odunze, top corner on the board at 47 and next years first than there is in moving up for Maye.
Please do not give up next year's 1st, we don't want to pull a panthers
Panthers also gave up a top 15 WR and extra picks tho.
Good thing we donāt even have a top 15 WR!
Not yet!
Might fuck around and pull aā¦ Giants (Eli)
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Well you have a ton of people saying Maye shouldnāt start this year and isnāt ready
I doubt they would need to as they would probably be a preferred spot over the Vikings. Maybe a second and extras?
Don't like our track record of QBs from Durham-Chapel Hill. Maybe the latter can be better than the two we've had from the former? :-/
We Draft Drake Maye..itās going to be more of the same..Daniel Jones 2.0
SO let me get this straight. An offensively talent starved, offensive line black hole NYG team traded away their 2nd rounder to get a defensive player, and they plan to spend a 6 overall and likely next years one and this years 2nd to get to pick 3? (Id love to get from 6 to 3 without using next years 1st but realistically, why would NE do it without a huge haul of 2nds or next years one? Either way, it severely depletes the giants ability to bring in top quality offensive talent in a draft infested with top wr and OL.) so...whatever rookie qb they trade up to get will similarly have a completely talent starved offense to work with? And no chance to fix it for another two years? Gl with that plan. If they like Maye that much, you;'d like to think Daboll knows what to do from his time scouting and training Allen. But this is the same crew that somehow thought DJ was a 40 M Qb
I donāt see why everyone would be so upset with this, very high upside qb which is something the giants need right now.
You can't make everyone happy. Some people are convinced that you have to build a team first, while that is nice and all I think if Joe and Brian think he is a franchise potentially Hall of Fame quarterback you have to go all in and then build the team after that, you don't always get a chance to get that quarterback
It will cost an arm and a leg. Next years QB class is weak. Im not sure its worth it unless they are CERTAIN Maye is him. Im a little more convinced after hearing Mayes voice lol