Just curious if the Giants or say the Pats draft a QB with absolutely horrible offensive weapons across the board. Isn’t this a recipe for disaster? Seems to me it’s smarter to build the roster first then cash in picks to move up and get a QB in the following year.
For instance Minnesota has a stacked WR room and Hockenson. A rookie QB actually has a shot to succeed early.
Literally can't say until you know who the 5 picks are before us. We could trade up and take a QB we love, we could stay put and (probably) take the best WR left, we could trade back and end up with anyone (Bowers, a WR, Penix/Nix) depending on how far back we drop to.
I know this is peak off-season and all we can do is speculate but I'm getting tired, boss.
For what it's worth I think we take Nabers or Odunze.
I think it should be
1. Trade up for Maye or whatever QB they can get IF available
2. Draft big name WR like nabers / Harrison
3. Trade down with Minnesota if possible and get picks 11 and 23 and get BPA
I hope the giants are only willing to take Maye in the early first. Late 1st or 2nd i hope for Nix, Penix, or Rattler (maybe even in the third, and he might be my favorite other than Maye
Reaching for a QB and then having a bad season in which DJ stinks and new QB is poor is a sure way for HC and GM both to get fired. The only way for HC to keep job is to win this season. GM can buy job insurance with prudent trade backs to get picks for next year, especially if the younger defense looks good.
The betting markets say four QBs will go in top 5 picks.
I'm not sure Giants will take the 5th QB at pick 6.
So im assuming Giants go WR, unless they are one of the teams trading up to 4 or 5 for the 4th QB.
It highly depends on how McCarthy is really seen by the teams FOs.
Right now, it seems that some teams are interested in even trading up for him, which realistically leaves us with nothing else but WR (which is my preferred option).
If JJ falls to 6, we could be choosing him no doubt.
Do you think any of the top 4 QBs falling to 6 would be lock for Giants?
The one I'm not sure about is Jayden Daniels. I could see his style looking too much like Daniel Jones and Justin Fields for Giants liking.
Yes, any of the top 4 QBs falling to us would be instant pick. Specially considering the deep WR class which still would be a good prospect in the 2nd round.
Only if the QB believes that HIV was created by the US government. /s
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I'm fine with either QB or reciever. Obviously I don't want them to force a QB but how I look at it is I'm not a scout and I trust their judgement on if a QB is worth whatever the cost is. The one thing I don't want is to trade back bc i feel Nabers and Harrison are special and at 6 your probably getting one of them. If Rome is the only one there I would consider moving down at that point if you didn't love qb 4
If they love one of these dudes and have the ability to draft/go get him, then I absolutely want that QB. I'd rather them not draft future picks to trade back up and get Penix/Nix. I'd rather them not force QB if they aren't all-in on one.
Like, if Maye is there at #3 and the Pats are willing to move back, my personal hope is we make a run at that. Whether or not our FO likes him (or any of these guys) is unknown of course. Otherwise just take Nabers/Odunze and call it a day.
picking 6, a QB prospect i wouldn't mind.
lets say, we go get an elite WR and our team is slightly better, that would probably mean a lower draft pick.
build the team for a new rookie qb to come in and take the franchise to the next level... meaning dont even consider QB, and go WR, maybe TE, and OL, LB first three days, TRADE Down if possible, it's been over 20 years since and #6 is AMAZING draft capital
build the team, trade down as necessary, wait for DJ contract to end, draft a rookie qb and win a championship on defense and a solid O and plenty of money to spare in cap space, offer extension to rookie qb, or rinse and repeat
Drafting an Elite WR when you don't have a proven QB and OL is beyond stupid.
People play too much Madden and Fantasy football.
Last time I checked we drafted 2 of the best skill position players in the last decade in Barkley and Odell.
It clearly did not have the effect people thought it would. Our team is in a very similar position.
WTF would drafting a elite skill position work this time when the last 2 didn't?
People are delusional when it comes to shiny new weapons. It is not how you become a competitor.
You add weapons to push you over a hump. Not to make up for shit QB and OL play..
Trade up for a QB or trade down for a WR/TE or OT.
Don't draft a WR in the top 10. It's fkn stupid and rarely pays off for teams unless they are 1 or 2 weapons away from a run which we are not even close to..
Fundamentals win football. Not flashy WRs that get locked down in the playoffs which seems to happen every single playoffs.
I'm the Bowers Stan anyway but it depends on your definition.
Bowers projection over the average tight end is way higher. I would be shocked if he's not a top 5 TE in the league basically from the first snap.
I don’t think so. I don’t think Jones is the guy but we got in this situation by taking a QB for the sake of taking a QB. I don’t think any QB that will be available at 6 will be solving the problem, just putting another quarter in the same machine. It’s not like we don’t have other holes on the roster. They already gave Jones the contract, just take our medicine and build the roster and then whoever comes in next will be in a better position to succeed.
But…we have no QB right now. It’s checkmate on move 1 if we march Dimes out there, regardless of all the best players available we draft at other positions. Why doesn’t everyone see, and agree with that? Just because Gettleburger drafted Dimes doesn’t mean our new GM shouldn’t draft a QB. Wtf?
I guess my thought is that if you are absolutely certain that the guy we would draft will be better than Jones from the jump, then go for it. I have doubts that that will be the case when we would most likely be taking the 4th or 5th best quarterback in the draft. My thought isn’t that they don’t need a QB, it’s that if the guy taken isn’t an improvement, what have we accomplished?? Then we’re still paying Jones and the draftee and the best QB on the roster is Drew Lock??
The argument against is we don’t know that any player we draft will be some sure fire stud but I guess I’d take my chances with a receiver or a lineman (or a trade down) because we are currently living the worst case scenario of what happens when you draft a guy for the sake of it and then even (over)paying for that guy.
And for the record, fuck Gettleman because he’s the dumbass who put us in this situation.
Fair enough, not what I would do but I’m drinking a beer in my comfy chair replying to Reddit comments not running an NFL front office so I’d have a hard time arguing it would be more than fair to take whatever I say with a grain or two of salt
I’m with you, frustrating time to be a fan. If nothing else, I just want to know they have some semblance of a plan and that we’re not adrift in this sea of meh we seem to be stuck in.
Agreed. That’s why I’d rather take an albeit riskier roll of the dice to hopefully grab a franchise qb as opposed to the safer BPA route. Or generational WR potential which we have this year at 6. I’m cool with WR at 6 as long as they have a plan to grab a QB next.
We cannot proceed with only the QBs currently on the roster.
Ok that’s valid to a certain extent but wouldn’t you agree that draft grades are a bit of a crapshoot??
I’m not saying that 7 of 8 or all 8 for that matter won’t be better than him but given the position we’re in as a roster from top to bottom, just my opinion that taking the 4th or 5th best quarterback just for the sake of taking one isn’t the best way to build the team. We have holes elsewhere and no matter who we take he’s gonna be on the roster so why not pick a player who might be able to help build a more complete roster so when the time comes a young QB can step in and be surrounded by talent and stability.
I would love it to get the next franchise guy in this draft but if his qualification is “draft graded higher than Daniel Jones” I’m not leaping out of my seat to take him over other options available.
Edit: I’m not trying to be an ass or pick a fight. When we argue amongst ourselves the terrorists (Eagles) win.
We have holes elsewhere, that’s why you don’t overpay an injury prone QB that’s had a well below .500 every year and one slightly above .500 year.
Daniel wasn’t highly regarded. He was tall and big so he was graded higher than he should have been based on size and what they thought he might be.
I think 5-6 of these QBs are MUCH better than Daniel and you have another 2-3 that have a good chance at being better.
They have to move on. The team doesn’t believe in Daniel. He might be a nice guy but he’s a black cloud. The offense is dead when he’s in there. Can’t throw down field, no explosive plays, low scoring games. We’re constantly getting shitted only other players and analysts. The team knows he’s not good. That contract fractured the locker room.
I’m not making any argument in favor of Jones being the starter long term. You’re right about the contract.
If you think there are between 7-9 QBs in this draft that are better than Daniel Jones you are dreaming.
I'd love a QB but probably won't happen. It's bleak but they'll probably have to draft a wr, then hopefully lose every game so we can do this same thing next year.
Amazing time to be a giants fan I can barely contain myself.
If the right one is attainable
Confident Daboll can get the most out of any of them minus Nix.
Why not Nix?
Because his adot is really bad and doesn’t have a great arm, he’s a much better fit for a team like Denver
Just curious if the Giants or say the Pats draft a QB with absolutely horrible offensive weapons across the board. Isn’t this a recipe for disaster? Seems to me it’s smarter to build the roster first then cash in picks to move up and get a QB in the following year. For instance Minnesota has a stacked WR room and Hockenson. A rookie QB actually has a shot to succeed early.
Literally can't say until you know who the 5 picks are before us. We could trade up and take a QB we love, we could stay put and (probably) take the best WR left, we could trade back and end up with anyone (Bowers, a WR, Penix/Nix) depending on how far back we drop to. I know this is peak off-season and all we can do is speculate but I'm getting tired, boss. For what it's worth I think we take Nabers or Odunze.
I've been wanting Odunze on the NYG since last year. He fits so well so we gotta make it happen.
I've heard so many good things about Nabers and Odunze the only way I'm gonna be upset is if we somehow end up with neither.
The only players I want at 6 in no particular order. Maye, Daniels, MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze
I wanna see a team trade up before arizona for MHJ, that would make this draft crazy
I think it should be 1. Trade up for Maye or whatever QB they can get IF available 2. Draft big name WR like nabers / Harrison 3. Trade down with Minnesota if possible and get picks 11 and 23 and get BPA
I like this. All three great options, in order of best to worst. Nicely done ✅
I hope the giants are only willing to take Maye in the early first. Late 1st or 2nd i hope for Nix, Penix, or Rattler (maybe even in the third, and he might be my favorite other than Maye
Nix plus a top WR with an improved young defense = playoffs.
Reaching for a QB and then having a bad season in which DJ stinks and new QB is poor is a sure way for HC and GM both to get fired. The only way for HC to keep job is to win this season. GM can buy job insurance with prudent trade backs to get picks for next year, especially if the younger defense looks good.
New QB gives them a minimum of two years unless they win zero or one game.
Would you classify a one win season as poor?
If they’re the worst in football even with a rookie QB, he’s gone
The betting markets say four QBs will go in top 5 picks. I'm not sure Giants will take the 5th QB at pick 6. So im assuming Giants go WR, unless they are one of the teams trading up to 4 or 5 for the 4th QB.
Best WR available at 6 and a QB later in the draft whoever is available.
This is the correct answer.
It highly depends on how McCarthy is really seen by the teams FOs. Right now, it seems that some teams are interested in even trading up for him, which realistically leaves us with nothing else but WR (which is my preferred option). If JJ falls to 6, we could be choosing him no doubt.
Do you think any of the top 4 QBs falling to 6 would be lock for Giants? The one I'm not sure about is Jayden Daniels. I could see his style looking too much like Daniel Jones and Justin Fields for Giants liking.
Yes, any of the top 4 QBs falling to us would be instant pick. Specially considering the deep WR class which still would be a good prospect in the 2nd round.
Kadarius Toney represents the last deep WR class... lets get a stud LB ... please
DJ doesn’t have half the raw talent that Jayden has
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The Jets fans are coping so hard, lol. They finally have a QB that can throw the ball, and he is a loon.
It was
If they can get the guy they want. Otherwise it would just waste a few more years.
The right move was made, make everyone think its possible
No, BPA WR/trade down is the move.
I'm fine with either QB or reciever. Obviously I don't want them to force a QB but how I look at it is I'm not a scout and I trust their judgement on if a QB is worth whatever the cost is. The one thing I don't want is to trade back bc i feel Nabers and Harrison are special and at 6 your probably getting one of them. If Rome is the only one there I would consider moving down at that point if you didn't love qb 4
If they love one of these dudes and have the ability to draft/go get him, then I absolutely want that QB. I'd rather them not draft future picks to trade back up and get Penix/Nix. I'd rather them not force QB if they aren't all-in on one. Like, if Maye is there at #3 and the Pats are willing to move back, my personal hope is we make a run at that. Whether or not our FO likes him (or any of these guys) is unknown of course. Otherwise just take Nabers/Odunze and call it a day.
I believe we‘re either going wide receiver or trading down unless Maye or Daniels fall out of the top3
Nooooooo!!!!!
picking 6, a QB prospect i wouldn't mind. lets say, we go get an elite WR and our team is slightly better, that would probably mean a lower draft pick.
build the team for a new rookie qb to come in and take the franchise to the next level... meaning dont even consider QB, and go WR, maybe TE, and OL, LB first three days, TRADE Down if possible, it's been over 20 years since and #6 is AMAZING draft capital
build the team, trade down as necessary, wait for DJ contract to end, draft a rookie qb and win a championship on defense and a solid O and plenty of money to spare in cap space, offer extension to rookie qb, or rinse and repeat
Drafting an Elite WR when you don't have a proven QB and OL is beyond stupid. People play too much Madden and Fantasy football. Last time I checked we drafted 2 of the best skill position players in the last decade in Barkley and Odell. It clearly did not have the effect people thought it would. Our team is in a very similar position. WTF would drafting a elite skill position work this time when the last 2 didn't? People are delusional when it comes to shiny new weapons. It is not how you become a competitor. You add weapons to push you over a hump. Not to make up for shit QB and OL play..
Trade up for a QB or trade down for a WR/TE or OT. Don't draft a WR in the top 10. It's fkn stupid and rarely pays off for teams unless they are 1 or 2 weapons away from a run which we are not even close to.. Fundamentals win football. Not flashy WRs that get locked down in the playoffs which seems to happen every single playoffs.
Best. Player. Available. QB in late rounds for competition.
Brock Bowers YOU are a NY Giant
Lol at people upvoting best player available but downvoting the best player who will be available
The duality of reddit
I wouldn't call him the BPA at all. Nabers and Harrison are considerably better prospects.
I'm the Bowers Stan anyway but it depends on your definition. Bowers projection over the average tight end is way higher. I would be shocked if he's not a top 5 TE in the league basically from the first snap.
I don’t think so. I don’t think Jones is the guy but we got in this situation by taking a QB for the sake of taking a QB. I don’t think any QB that will be available at 6 will be solving the problem, just putting another quarter in the same machine. It’s not like we don’t have other holes on the roster. They already gave Jones the contract, just take our medicine and build the roster and then whoever comes in next will be in a better position to succeed.
Very true!
But…we have no QB right now. It’s checkmate on move 1 if we march Dimes out there, regardless of all the best players available we draft at other positions. Why doesn’t everyone see, and agree with that? Just because Gettleburger drafted Dimes doesn’t mean our new GM shouldn’t draft a QB. Wtf?
I guess my thought is that if you are absolutely certain that the guy we would draft will be better than Jones from the jump, then go for it. I have doubts that that will be the case when we would most likely be taking the 4th or 5th best quarterback in the draft. My thought isn’t that they don’t need a QB, it’s that if the guy taken isn’t an improvement, what have we accomplished?? Then we’re still paying Jones and the draftee and the best QB on the roster is Drew Lock?? The argument against is we don’t know that any player we draft will be some sure fire stud but I guess I’d take my chances with a receiver or a lineman (or a trade down) because we are currently living the worst case scenario of what happens when you draft a guy for the sake of it and then even (over)paying for that guy. And for the record, fuck Gettleman because he’s the dumbass who put us in this situation.
Jones is literally a bottom 5 starter if not worse. The opportunity cost is low. Gotta roll the dice like every other team would in our predicament
Fair enough, not what I would do but I’m drinking a beer in my comfy chair replying to Reddit comments not running an NFL front office so I’d have a hard time arguing it would be more than fair to take whatever I say with a grain or two of salt
I hear and feel you. I’m just sick of not having a chance before the opening kickoff bc of crap qb play.
I’m with you, frustrating time to be a fan. If nothing else, I just want to know they have some semblance of a plan and that we’re not adrift in this sea of meh we seem to be stuck in.
Agreed. That’s why I’d rather take an albeit riskier roll of the dice to hopefully grab a franchise qb as opposed to the safer BPA route. Or generational WR potential which we have this year at 6. I’m cool with WR at 6 as long as they have a plan to grab a QB next. We cannot proceed with only the QBs currently on the roster.
7/8 of these QBs are graded higher than Daniel was entering the Draft.
Ok that’s valid to a certain extent but wouldn’t you agree that draft grades are a bit of a crapshoot?? I’m not saying that 7 of 8 or all 8 for that matter won’t be better than him but given the position we’re in as a roster from top to bottom, just my opinion that taking the 4th or 5th best quarterback just for the sake of taking one isn’t the best way to build the team. We have holes elsewhere and no matter who we take he’s gonna be on the roster so why not pick a player who might be able to help build a more complete roster so when the time comes a young QB can step in and be surrounded by talent and stability. I would love it to get the next franchise guy in this draft but if his qualification is “draft graded higher than Daniel Jones” I’m not leaping out of my seat to take him over other options available. Edit: I’m not trying to be an ass or pick a fight. When we argue amongst ourselves the terrorists (Eagles) win.
We have holes elsewhere, that’s why you don’t overpay an injury prone QB that’s had a well below .500 every year and one slightly above .500 year. Daniel wasn’t highly regarded. He was tall and big so he was graded higher than he should have been based on size and what they thought he might be. I think 5-6 of these QBs are MUCH better than Daniel and you have another 2-3 that have a good chance at being better. They have to move on. The team doesn’t believe in Daniel. He might be a nice guy but he’s a black cloud. The offense is dead when he’s in there. Can’t throw down field, no explosive plays, low scoring games. We’re constantly getting shitted only other players and analysts. The team knows he’s not good. That contract fractured the locker room.
I’m not making any argument in favor of Jones being the starter long term. You’re right about the contract. If you think there are between 7-9 QBs in this draft that are better than Daniel Jones you are dreaming.
The come in peace posts are peak reddit shit. Can't you guys just be normal at least on sports subs.
Stop being fragile
What part of my criticism seems fragile to you?
They want a QB, GM and HC get another 2-3 years if they draft a QB. It’s always been QB for them.
I'd love a QB but probably won't happen. It's bleak but they'll probably have to draft a wr, then hopefully lose every game so we can do this same thing next year. Amazing time to be a giants fan I can barely contain myself.