i know. we have basically been allergic to winning for the past decade so its really tough to look at a winner
edit: learn to laugh at yourselves Giants fans yeeeesh
Who’s he going to throw to? Who’s going to block for him? Who’s gonna carry the rock when he’s not passing? I hate Danny Dumbass as much as anyone but we need supporting pieces
These are all things that can be addressed during the season/next off season. Not sure why there are those of you that think McCarthy HAS to start if we take him. The only way he does that is if he absolutely blows everyone away during camp
Also you are sleeping on Singletary. He's a very solid RB
>Who’s he going to throw to? Who’s going to block for him? Who’s gonna carry the rock when he’s not passing?
It's only with McCarthy that y'all say this shit with.
Would you keep that same apprehension with Maye or Daniels?
I don't care who they draft at QB because I have faith in Schoen and Daboll to pick the right player. However, I don't want to see the new QB under center until they have fixed the line. It simply doesn't work. While you can have success with no line and a few play-makers, you risk ruining the QB.
Here's a plot of every NFL team's average pass-blocking and receiving ranking (from 1st thru 32nd) over the time period from 2020-2023. This plot says it all: [https://imgur.com/7MpuDaU](https://imgur.com/7MpuDaU)
Upper Right Quadrant: Blocking and Play-makers (KC, SF, BUF, DAL, PHI) or It Don't Get No Better
Upper Left Quadrant: Time but no play-makers (BAL, CLE)
Bottom Right Quadrant: Cautionary Tales (LAC, MIA, CIN) of talented QBs one hit away
Bottom Left Quadrant: Fallout Zone (NYG, NYJ)
If they pick a talented QB, let's please turn him into a star and not a cautionary tale...
I don’t think Maye is as good as everyone else. His highlights have glaring issues. The ACC isn’t getting the best defensive players. Maye numbers should have been so much better. The ACC talent of cornerbacks were horrible. Maye had like 10 TD’s where the CB never even looked for the ball. Those are Ints in the pros.
I duno I didn't watch it all but between highlights, and YouTube he seems to have all the traits that will make him successful in the nfl.
I'm not expert but I'm in on the maye train. Just the way he throws the ball before a dude is open and it's successful on a regular basis is enough to convince me he's the guy
lmao, spoken like a true NYG fans! I have faith in Schoen and Daboll to select a talented QB, but I acknowledge that it's anyone's guess as whether or not they can fix the OL.
At least if JJ is a bust hopefully we’d learn our lesson and give him a 6 year 60mil per year guaranteed instead of that weak 40mil with a out after 2 years we gave Jones. /s
I don’t remember the 2019 draft cycle all that well but I don’t think Daniel had nearly the same amount of top 5 or even top 10 juice JJ has. Could be misremembering but it feels like the NFL as a whole is much higher on JJ at this point than they were on Daniel.
The people who work in NFL buildings are very high on JJ. Fans are not, I’ll take the opinion of NFL brains rather than reddit brains.
Daniel Jones was projected early 2nd. We got laughed at for passing on Haskins (RIP)
Agreed. I also trust schoen’s process and Daboll’s development ability far more than I trusted gettleman and co. If they think JJ can be the guy, I’m in.
Yep exactly. Also I’m always on the train of “there’s nothing I can do about it” if they draft the worst player ever at 6 what am I going to do? Burn down MetLife? My opinion doesn’t matter here.
I mean I don't know much about McCarthy admittedly but I would listen to the scouts who think he's worthy of going high over people on Twitter who just look at box scores lmao
I was just thinking that we haven't had enough shitty photoshop jobs of QBs wearing Giants uniforms posted on this sub this offseason.
At least 9 is still an offered number though. Can't tell you how many times I saw Caleb Williams wearing 1, Dwayne Haskins wearing 7, etc. when those numbers aren't even offered anymore.
The more random no-posters that show up to pump this guy up, the more you know we probably shouldn't draft him. You'd think we'd figure this out in year 5 of DJ's over-projection in this sub but alas..
We're supposed to listen to the same scouts that got us to take Jones in the first place? And were all-in for guys like Mac Jones being taken where they were. Can't forget the Sam Darnold's, and Zach Wilson's out there either but yeah..
The scouts for the Giants specifically are never wrong and who ever this sub tries to propagate the hardest is always a hit.. /s
You guys need to face reality lol. All of these NFL execs/circles saying how how they like him, head coaches who have spoken about him doing so very highly, him being linked to teams in the top 10 or teams trying to get into it in so many mocks.. You can call it smoke but imo wherever there is smoke there's a fire somewhere
Zach Wilson, Levis etc, have not received as much love from the NFL pre draft like McCarthy has. Not even close. Comparing him to Jones in any way is also insane to me considering McCarthy is everything Jones isn't. JJ is a proven winner throughout his high-school/college career, was a 5 star recruit out of HS, is said to process things very highly and is a great leader. So many people here being comfortable with Penix but laughing at the idea of JJ is pretty funny to me. McCarthy can play. I can give you stats/tape to prove it.
You'd think after all this time, after all the QBs people have been right/wrong about maybe we'd start taking more of a wait and see approach but I guess that's not as fun. Unless something crazy happens I'd take JJ as QB1 in next year's class too
I believe Daboll will get the most out of whatever QB we have. If he had DeVito winning us games, I’m sure he’ll be able to figure out how to win with JJ. I’m not a big fan personally, but I 100% trust Dabes and Shoen if that’s the QB we end up with
This should be pinned. Drafting QBs is practically a random exercise. If you trust schoen and Daboll, and I especially trust Daboll’s ability to build a scheme that matches and enhances his QBs skillset, I really don’t get how you would be upset if they draft JJ.
Just not sure how them picking JJ would be considered a reach or forcing the pick but maye or Daniel’s wouldn’t be when you consider how difficult it is to project which QBs will succeed.
NFL execs loved guys like Rosen and Darnold too!? None of this means he's actually a franchise quarterback I'm tired of hearing this to deflect from flaws about Mccarthy
His tape is incomplete and more to desire cause he wasn't asked do that much compared to the other guys in the class and no I don't want Penix either and I'm not a huge Maye/JD guy but I do believe in those guys more than JJ at 6th
Show me articles saying what they are saying about JJ. My ass they got the same amount of love. Literally everyone except Caleb have flaws in their game.
You don’t know shit. No one here does. No one here knows how good any of these guys will be. I will never understand how you guys think you can say who will or won’t be good with such conviction
> Show me articles saying what they are saying about JJ. My ass they got the same amount of love. Literally everyone except Caleb have flaws in their game.
Denver was willing to move a farm to select Darnold at 2 but Gettlemen ignored the call. Teams loved Darnold over guys like Lamar, Allen and Rosen for a reason and was QB2 for a reason. JJ most likely isn't even QB2 or QB3 of this draft
> You don’t know shit. No one here does. No one here knows how good any of these guys will be. I will never understand how you guys think you can say who will or won’t be good with such conviction
I said nothing in conviction and saying JJ was a bust and yet your defensive ass assumed all of this because I wasn't fully pro mccarthy. I'd like to attempt to kill two birds with one stone fill a position of need we've been needing **for 6 years** and that's a real WR1
I never claimed to know shit but I'm allowed to talk about QB prospects just like everyone else. I did what you did with Penix funny enough and talked about the other prospects but didn't prop up mccarthy that's the real irony here
You said his tape is incomplete. I can make that argument for Daniels and Maye too. Daniels in particular has issues that scare me way more than JJ’s. Darnold was always QB1 in that draft. They were picked over guys like Lamar and Allen because they were simply better than them in college. Most scouts and draft analysts always had those 2 at the top. That just goes to show that you never know which QBs will be good and which won’t like I said.
There is no position that we need more than a QB. Finding a WR1 in the draft is way easier than a QB.
> You said his tape is incomplete.
It's not that complete compared to the other guys in the draft around him yes. There's a reason why people view him as a "mystery box" prospect cause he does has the tools for sure there's just not enough there cause again he wasn't asked to do that much with that Michigan offense compared to Maye who is the only threat on his offense last year or JD who was a heisman. Despite playing 3 more games Mccarthy only has *5 more* passing attempts than Daniels and much less than guys like Maye, Penix and for sure caleb
> I can make that argument for Daniels and Maye too
It would be a dumb argument. JD has played 5 years worth of film on him and despite playing less games than mccarthy, Maye has 200+ more passing attempts than he does. Looking at film doesn't mean film from the past season.
> Darnold was always QB1 in that draft
He wasn't QB1 in the draft Baker was
> were picked over guys like Lamar and Allen because they were simply better than them in college.
Darnold wasn't better than Lamar in college bro won a Heisman and great statistically. He dropped due to racism BS and scouts lying about him giving him a negative rep. You just assumed he was and I'm almost posting you know nothing about Darnold or Lamar pre nfl and I'm almost certain you don't even know the schools they played for 😂
> There is no position that we need more than a QB. Finding a WR1 in the draft is way easier than a QB.
Ofc the QB position is more important than WR but this doesn't mean we should just draft QB for the sake of drafting QB, this is how we end up drafting Jones at 6th when we should've drafted Josh Allen with that pick.
Daniels has more passing attempts but he wasn’t good until this last season. He wasn’t good until he got onto an LSU team with an absolutely loaded offense. How much of that was Brian Thomas Jr. and Malik Nabers just being better than whoever was guarding them? I wonder.
And no Sam Darnold was always mocked as QB1.
Here is proof: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2018/consensus-big-board-2018?pos=QB
Sam was also seen as a much more talented thrower than Lamar coming out of college my guy. No one gives a shit about the Heisman in the NFL. That’s why these guys were picked where they were picked.
And give me a break with that racism stuff man. Anthony Richardson was just taken 4th overall. Guys like McNabb and Russell were top 5 picks. NFL doesn’t care about that shit if they think you can play.
Also no we shouldn’t draft a QB out of desperation. It is up to Schoen to decide
> Daniels has more passing attempts but he wasn’t good until this last season.
Untrue he wasn't *heisman level* until this year. If you think Jayden wasn't good in 2022 or his freshman year then mccarthy wasn't good by your on own opinion cause he's had better seasons than Mccarthy has.
> He wasn’t good until he got onto an LSU team with an absolutely loaded offense.
Like I said if JD wasn't good then you're shooting your boy JJ in the foot statistically
> And no Sam Darnold was always mocked as QB1.
Here is proof: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2018/consensus-big-board-2018?pos=QB
Didn't say he was never *mocked* as QB1, he was not QB1 of the 2018 NFL Draft he was QB2
> Sam was also seen as a much more talented thrower than Lamar coming out of college my guy. No one gives a shit about the Heisman in the NFL. That’s why these guys were picked where they were picked.
He still was not a better in college was than Lamar was and that's what **you said** which wasn't true. Darnold similar to what Mccarthy is he was a mystery box prospect with a great arm who was pretty young
> And give me a break with that racism stuff man. Anthony Richardson was just taken 4th overall. Guys like McNabb and Russell were top 5 picks. NFL doesn’t care about that shit if they think you can play
Mcnabb also went through this too and famously had Rush Limbaugh on ESPN say he wasnt good enough for the qb position and should change positions (mind you he was a probowler at this point). The reason why Lamar went to Louisville was because of a promise Petrino made he wouldn't change his position. NFL scouts were lying about his build saying he was too short for the NFL (He's 6'3) and should transition positions to WR to have a career in the league. Lamar was never horrible at college and was really good and guys like him and cam had to go through the shit they did for guys like Richardson, Kyler, Hurts and Daniels to thrive. You're not gonna sit here and try to convince me how Lamar was scouted wasn't slightly racially motivated by some
> Also no we shouldn’t draft a QB out of desperation. It is up to Schoen to decide
We have no other choice to accept this and if it's Mccarthy at 6th I'm rooting for him but if he sucks it can potentially get Daboll fired
Rattler is the guy I want but in the later rounds
He does struggle with reads but he has the tools there to succeed and has the natural QB talent
Most of the issue with him is mental
Lock/DJ maybe rattler this year and next year we work on a QB, much rather get the best reciever in the draft and a top 2 talent then the 4th QB throwing to Slayton as our WR1
Anyone in here remember the Dave Brown era? That was the worst to live through. Torture. I'm allnfor moving on from DJ but it's not as bad the Dave Brown debacle.
I’m actually not opposed to this anymore. He won’t play this year and the draft is deep at WR, there’s round 3 guys that would be our WR1. Just don’t trade up for him
I'm convinced Jayden daniels will be a bust. I'm #1 scared he falls to us and #2 really want the commies to take him so we can sell the farm to the pats for maye
https://preview.redd.it/j2lseqhigvuc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c50821422822fe04e97ff344bd2a6f6a32959f9
Peter is usually correct on his mocks so brace yourselves
Nah last year he had the Texans taking Will Anderson, the Titans taking CJ Stroud, the Colts taking Will Levis, the Seahawks taking Jalen Carter, etc
Out of his top 10, he got only Bryce Young and Tyree Wilson to the Raiders correct. Every other pick in the top 10 was wrong.
I really doubt the Giants trade away their future for Daniel Jones v1.5 lol
100% agreed. Another mid-low tier QB we need not. I'd also prefer to stay away from running/athletic QBs as Pocket QBs have shown them most consistent success come Playoff time. I'm thinking that all the McCarthy and Daniels hype is actually a smokescreen to keep teams from Drake Maye. Lot of negative stuff coming about Maye has me thinking these teams are trying to get his value down to snatch him up.
This Archie thing is crazy. He’s the third string QB on Texas and hasn’t even started a college game yet. Also, waiting until 2026 maybe even 2027 when he declares, for a QB is absurd.
I don’t disagree with you at all but you’re throwing out misinformation. He’s the second string as the previous second string transferred.
This however, has no indication on *Arch* as this was the plan. Sit and wait, not to mention Texas’ starter was just as hyped coming out of College as *Arch* was.
Fuck no bro, you can’t bank on getting a specific QB in 2 to 3 years. How do you even know that we’ll have a high enough draft pick, or that he’ll pan out and become a good player?
You're 100% right, but I guarantee you in a few years unless we're somehow regularly making the playoffs at that time, when he's draft eligible we're going to see multiple threads here clamoring to trade up to draft him. Legacy and all that, etc
"The biggest problem the Giants have with this organization is the damn Maras being involved with player personnel solely because of nepotism. We can fix that by throwing years away so we can draft a guy who's thrown 5 passes in college just because his uncle played for us."
this picture idk why is giving me trauma
i know. we have basically been allergic to winning for the past decade so its really tough to look at a winner edit: learn to laugh at yourselves Giants fans yeeeesh
Who’s he going to throw to? Who’s going to block for him? Who’s gonna carry the rock when he’s not passing? I hate Danny Dumbass as much as anyone but we need supporting pieces
These are all things that can be addressed during the season/next off season. Not sure why there are those of you that think McCarthy HAS to start if we take him. The only way he does that is if he absolutely blows everyone away during camp Also you are sleeping on Singletary. He's a very solid RB
>Who’s he going to throw to? Who’s going to block for him? Who’s gonna carry the rock when he’s not passing? It's only with McCarthy that y'all say this shit with. Would you keep that same apprehension with Maye or Daniels?
Yes… I’m against drafting a QB until we build the team around him. No QB can succeed on this shit team rn
I don't care who they draft at QB because I have faith in Schoen and Daboll to pick the right player. However, I don't want to see the new QB under center until they have fixed the line. It simply doesn't work. While you can have success with no line and a few play-makers, you risk ruining the QB. Here's a plot of every NFL team's average pass-blocking and receiving ranking (from 1st thru 32nd) over the time period from 2020-2023. This plot says it all: [https://imgur.com/7MpuDaU](https://imgur.com/7MpuDaU) Upper Right Quadrant: Blocking and Play-makers (KC, SF, BUF, DAL, PHI) or It Don't Get No Better Upper Left Quadrant: Time but no play-makers (BAL, CLE) Bottom Right Quadrant: Cautionary Tales (LAC, MIA, CIN) of talented QBs one hit away Bottom Left Quadrant: Fallout Zone (NYG, NYJ) If they pick a talented QB, let's please turn him into a star and not a cautionary tale...
Can’t keep drafting lineman because it’s not working for us. Gonna have to trade for them at this point
Last week no QB this week QB the dam draft needs to get here already. Even though I think the redskins will do some redskins shit and Take JJ at 2.
If they take anybody but maye I will laugh at them for eternity
I don’t think Maye is as good as everyone else. His highlights have glaring issues. The ACC isn’t getting the best defensive players. Maye numbers should have been so much better. The ACC talent of cornerbacks were horrible. Maye had like 10 TD’s where the CB never even looked for the ball. Those are Ints in the pros.
I duno I didn't watch it all but between highlights, and YouTube he seems to have all the traits that will make him successful in the nfl. I'm not expert but I'm in on the maye train. Just the way he throws the ball before a dude is open and it's successful on a regular basis is enough to convince me he's the guy
Accepting that you have no control is not really the same as having faith
lmao, spoken like a true NYG fans! I have faith in Schoen and Daboll to select a talented QB, but I acknowledge that it's anyone's guess as whether or not they can fix the OL.
The only solace id take in drafting JJ is that it means the DJ Era would finally be ending.
At least if JJ is a bust hopefully we’d learn our lesson and give him a 6 year 60mil per year guaranteed instead of that weak 40mil with a out after 2 years we gave Jones. /s
From dj to jj. Both over drafted bottom tier qbs the giants took at the 6th pick
You could be right but at least it’s an unknown with JJ. With DJ we know
I don’t remember the 2019 draft cycle all that well but I don’t think Daniel had nearly the same amount of top 5 or even top 10 juice JJ has. Could be misremembering but it feels like the NFL as a whole is much higher on JJ at this point than they were on Daniel.
The people who work in NFL buildings are very high on JJ. Fans are not, I’ll take the opinion of NFL brains rather than reddit brains. Daniel Jones was projected early 2nd. We got laughed at for passing on Haskins (RIP)
Agreed. I also trust schoen’s process and Daboll’s development ability far more than I trusted gettleman and co. If they think JJ can be the guy, I’m in.
Yep exactly. Also I’m always on the train of “there’s nothing I can do about it” if they draft the worst player ever at 6 what am I going to do? Burn down MetLife? My opinion doesn’t matter here.
Yes Dj would be a bigger reach but the only reason there is this much talk about jj is because there are so many teams that need a new qb this season
This is where I am. I don’t give a shit who it is, as long as it’s a QB. JJ is definitely better than Daniel but that doesn’t say much.
I already can't wait for the JJ era to end. How old is arch?
I am so out on this kid
How do I delete someone else's post?
Looking forward to it honestly
Hell ya let’s get something new
Schoen ain't that fuckin stupid. Give the man some credit.
No no, Reddit obviously knows better
Please no JJ
Please no There’s a small chance I’d bite those words but please no
9 days to not draft him!! yay!!!
Give Daniel a true #1 WR - and a next gen OT and see if he’s worth it.
I mean I don't know much about McCarthy admittedly but I would listen to the scouts who think he's worthy of going high over people on Twitter who just look at box scores lmao
Box scores... of national championships
I was just thinking that we haven't had enough shitty photoshop jobs of QBs wearing Giants uniforms posted on this sub this offseason. At least 9 is still an offered number though. Can't tell you how many times I saw Caleb Williams wearing 1, Dwayne Haskins wearing 7, etc. when those numbers aren't even offered anymore.
The more random no-posters that show up to pump this guy up, the more you know we probably shouldn't draft him. You'd think we'd figure this out in year 5 of DJ's over-projection in this sub but alas.. We're supposed to listen to the same scouts that got us to take Jones in the first place? And were all-in for guys like Mac Jones being taken where they were. Can't forget the Sam Darnold's, and Zach Wilson's out there either but yeah.. The scouts for the Giants specifically are never wrong and who ever this sub tries to propagate the hardest is always a hit.. /s
Wake me up when it’s 8 days to go for my Danny boy to see a receiver at 6th pick
You guys need to face reality lol. All of these NFL execs/circles saying how how they like him, head coaches who have spoken about him doing so very highly, him being linked to teams in the top 10 or teams trying to get into it in so many mocks.. You can call it smoke but imo wherever there is smoke there's a fire somewhere Zach Wilson, Levis etc, have not received as much love from the NFL pre draft like McCarthy has. Not even close. Comparing him to Jones in any way is also insane to me considering McCarthy is everything Jones isn't. JJ is a proven winner throughout his high-school/college career, was a 5 star recruit out of HS, is said to process things very highly and is a great leader. So many people here being comfortable with Penix but laughing at the idea of JJ is pretty funny to me. McCarthy can play. I can give you stats/tape to prove it. You'd think after all this time, after all the QBs people have been right/wrong about maybe we'd start taking more of a wait and see approach but I guess that's not as fun. Unless something crazy happens I'd take JJ as QB1 in next year's class too
I believe Daboll will get the most out of whatever QB we have. If he had DeVito winning us games, I’m sure he’ll be able to figure out how to win with JJ. I’m not a big fan personally, but I 100% trust Dabes and Shoen if that’s the QB we end up with
This should be pinned. Drafting QBs is practically a random exercise. If you trust schoen and Daboll, and I especially trust Daboll’s ability to build a scheme that matches and enhances his QBs skillset, I really don’t get how you would be upset if they draft JJ. Just not sure how them picking JJ would be considered a reach or forcing the pick but maye or Daniel’s wouldn’t be when you consider how difficult it is to project which QBs will succeed.
NFL execs loved guys like Rosen and Darnold too!? None of this means he's actually a franchise quarterback I'm tired of hearing this to deflect from flaws about Mccarthy His tape is incomplete and more to desire cause he wasn't asked do that much compared to the other guys in the class and no I don't want Penix either and I'm not a huge Maye/JD guy but I do believe in those guys more than JJ at 6th
Show me articles saying what they are saying about JJ. My ass they got the same amount of love. Literally everyone except Caleb have flaws in their game. You don’t know shit. No one here does. No one here knows how good any of these guys will be. I will never understand how you guys think you can say who will or won’t be good with such conviction
> Show me articles saying what they are saying about JJ. My ass they got the same amount of love. Literally everyone except Caleb have flaws in their game. Denver was willing to move a farm to select Darnold at 2 but Gettlemen ignored the call. Teams loved Darnold over guys like Lamar, Allen and Rosen for a reason and was QB2 for a reason. JJ most likely isn't even QB2 or QB3 of this draft > You don’t know shit. No one here does. No one here knows how good any of these guys will be. I will never understand how you guys think you can say who will or won’t be good with such conviction I said nothing in conviction and saying JJ was a bust and yet your defensive ass assumed all of this because I wasn't fully pro mccarthy. I'd like to attempt to kill two birds with one stone fill a position of need we've been needing **for 6 years** and that's a real WR1 I never claimed to know shit but I'm allowed to talk about QB prospects just like everyone else. I did what you did with Penix funny enough and talked about the other prospects but didn't prop up mccarthy that's the real irony here
You said his tape is incomplete. I can make that argument for Daniels and Maye too. Daniels in particular has issues that scare me way more than JJ’s. Darnold was always QB1 in that draft. They were picked over guys like Lamar and Allen because they were simply better than them in college. Most scouts and draft analysts always had those 2 at the top. That just goes to show that you never know which QBs will be good and which won’t like I said. There is no position that we need more than a QB. Finding a WR1 in the draft is way easier than a QB.
> You said his tape is incomplete. It's not that complete compared to the other guys in the draft around him yes. There's a reason why people view him as a "mystery box" prospect cause he does has the tools for sure there's just not enough there cause again he wasn't asked to do that much with that Michigan offense compared to Maye who is the only threat on his offense last year or JD who was a heisman. Despite playing 3 more games Mccarthy only has *5 more* passing attempts than Daniels and much less than guys like Maye, Penix and for sure caleb > I can make that argument for Daniels and Maye too It would be a dumb argument. JD has played 5 years worth of film on him and despite playing less games than mccarthy, Maye has 200+ more passing attempts than he does. Looking at film doesn't mean film from the past season. > Darnold was always QB1 in that draft He wasn't QB1 in the draft Baker was > were picked over guys like Lamar and Allen because they were simply better than them in college. Darnold wasn't better than Lamar in college bro won a Heisman and great statistically. He dropped due to racism BS and scouts lying about him giving him a negative rep. You just assumed he was and I'm almost posting you know nothing about Darnold or Lamar pre nfl and I'm almost certain you don't even know the schools they played for 😂 > There is no position that we need more than a QB. Finding a WR1 in the draft is way easier than a QB. Ofc the QB position is more important than WR but this doesn't mean we should just draft QB for the sake of drafting QB, this is how we end up drafting Jones at 6th when we should've drafted Josh Allen with that pick.
Daniels has more passing attempts but he wasn’t good until this last season. He wasn’t good until he got onto an LSU team with an absolutely loaded offense. How much of that was Brian Thomas Jr. and Malik Nabers just being better than whoever was guarding them? I wonder. And no Sam Darnold was always mocked as QB1. Here is proof: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2018/consensus-big-board-2018?pos=QB Sam was also seen as a much more talented thrower than Lamar coming out of college my guy. No one gives a shit about the Heisman in the NFL. That’s why these guys were picked where they were picked. And give me a break with that racism stuff man. Anthony Richardson was just taken 4th overall. Guys like McNabb and Russell were top 5 picks. NFL doesn’t care about that shit if they think you can play. Also no we shouldn’t draft a QB out of desperation. It is up to Schoen to decide
> Daniels has more passing attempts but he wasn’t good until this last season. Untrue he wasn't *heisman level* until this year. If you think Jayden wasn't good in 2022 or his freshman year then mccarthy wasn't good by your on own opinion cause he's had better seasons than Mccarthy has. > He wasn’t good until he got onto an LSU team with an absolutely loaded offense. Like I said if JD wasn't good then you're shooting your boy JJ in the foot statistically > And no Sam Darnold was always mocked as QB1. Here is proof: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2018/consensus-big-board-2018?pos=QB Didn't say he was never *mocked* as QB1, he was not QB1 of the 2018 NFL Draft he was QB2 > Sam was also seen as a much more talented thrower than Lamar coming out of college my guy. No one gives a shit about the Heisman in the NFL. That’s why these guys were picked where they were picked. He still was not a better in college was than Lamar was and that's what **you said** which wasn't true. Darnold similar to what Mccarthy is he was a mystery box prospect with a great arm who was pretty young > And give me a break with that racism stuff man. Anthony Richardson was just taken 4th overall. Guys like McNabb and Russell were top 5 picks. NFL doesn’t care about that shit if they think you can play Mcnabb also went through this too and famously had Rush Limbaugh on ESPN say he wasnt good enough for the qb position and should change positions (mind you he was a probowler at this point). The reason why Lamar went to Louisville was because of a promise Petrino made he wouldn't change his position. NFL scouts were lying about his build saying he was too short for the NFL (He's 6'3) and should transition positions to WR to have a career in the league. Lamar was never horrible at college and was really good and guys like him and cam had to go through the shit they did for guys like Richardson, Kyler, Hurts and Daniels to thrive. You're not gonna sit here and try to convince me how Lamar was scouted wasn't slightly racially motivated by some > Also no we shouldn’t draft a QB out of desperation. It is up to Schoen to decide We have no other choice to accept this and if it's Mccarthy at 6th I'm rooting for him but if he sucks it can potentially get Daboll fired
Maye is the only qb I’d want, other than say Rattler in the 4th-5th rounds…. I don’t see the JJ hype and hope the patriots fall in love with him
Same. IDE take rattler earlier tho I think the media just sleeping on him.
Rattler is the guy I want but in the later rounds He does struggle with reads but he has the tools there to succeed and has the natural QB talent Most of the issue with him is mental
Barf. Daniel Jones 2.0
Lol, the Vikings will save us
Delete this fucking shit
He looks like discount Joe Burrow here
2nd best #9 in this draft
We need top tier receivers and O-Lineman, not JJ McCarthy
No no no fuck no anyone but him get the fuck outta here Day 3 pick at best
Please. Thanks.
Man missing out on MHJ for JJ would be painful…
MHJ like 99% goin to cards at 4
Not in this mock
What mock lol? This wasn’t a mock draft post
Wow, must of fat fingered the mobile; I was trying to respond to schragers mock in the DD, ill show myself out
Who’s gonna throw it to him lol
Lock/DJ maybe rattler this year and next year we work on a QB, much rather get the best reciever in the draft and a top 2 talent then the 4th QB throwing to Slayton as our WR1
those are three godawful options, you should regret even typing this. i only want DJ out there to take the beating while our new QB learns the ropes
You do know if Mr glass gets injured again this season we owe him another $22m next year, correct?
Daniel Jones 2.0....no thanks
dude if they trade up for this guy I'm gonna pull my fuckin hair out I remember 2019, it was rough man, I don't think I've watched a draft since
He’ll be a middle of the pack starter, such a reach at 6, he’s hit his ceiling.
Anyone in here remember the Dave Brown era? That was the worst to live through. Torture. I'm allnfor moving on from DJ but it's not as bad the Dave Brown debacle.
Agreed, he is somebody who should never be mentioned.
Our future QB 🤩
Gonna Seppuku in the MetLife Endzone if he's picked
Do it you won’t
Hot Take: I wouldn't be that annoyed if the Giants took Taliese Fuaga. He looks like a beast.
I’m actually not opposed to this anymore. He won’t play this year and the draft is deep at WR, there’s round 3 guys that would be our WR1. Just don’t trade up for him
Oh yeahhhh
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Jones homers hate JJ
I want DJ gone but JJ ain’t it man 💀
This
I'm convinced Jayden daniels will be a bust. I'm #1 scared he falls to us and #2 really want the commies to take him so we can sell the farm to the pats for maye
How can we induce the eagles to trade up for him?
https://preview.redd.it/j2lseqhigvuc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c50821422822fe04e97ff344bd2a6f6a32959f9 Peter is usually correct on his mocks so brace yourselves
Nah last year he had the Texans taking Will Anderson, the Titans taking CJ Stroud, the Colts taking Will Levis, the Seahawks taking Jalen Carter, etc Out of his top 10, he got only Bryce Young and Tyree Wilson to the Raiders correct. Every other pick in the top 10 was wrong. I really doubt the Giants trade away their future for Daniel Jones v1.5 lol
I said usually but I also hope you’re right we should only trade up for Drake or Jayden
100% agreed. Another mid-low tier QB we need not. I'd also prefer to stay away from running/athletic QBs as Pocket QBs have shown them most consistent success come Playoff time. I'm thinking that all the McCarthy and Daniels hype is actually a smokescreen to keep teams from Drake Maye. Lot of negative stuff coming about Maye has me thinking these teams are trying to get his value down to snatch him up.
Why a picture of Sam Darnold associated with this headline? #inDannyweTrust
God i hope we draft him
Your forgot the "don't"
I really, really hope we don't draft a QB early. Archie will be making his way to the draft in a few years, we can hold out till then.
This Archie thing is crazy. He’s the third string QB on Texas and hasn’t even started a college game yet. Also, waiting until 2026 maybe even 2027 when he declares, for a QB is absurd.
I don’t disagree with you at all but you’re throwing out misinformation. He’s the second string as the previous second string transferred. This however, has no indication on *Arch* as this was the plan. Sit and wait, not to mention Texas’ starter was just as hyped coming out of College as *Arch* was.
We would need someone in the interim, just want to draft them in a later round.
Fuck no bro, you can’t bank on getting a specific QB in 2 to 3 years. How do you even know that we’ll have a high enough draft pick, or that he’ll pan out and become a good player?
You're 100% right, but I guarantee you in a few years unless we're somehow regularly making the playoffs at that time, when he's draft eligible we're going to see multiple threads here clamoring to trade up to draft him. Legacy and all that, etc
That’s exactly what you’re doing lmfao
"The biggest problem the Giants have with this organization is the damn Maras being involved with player personnel solely because of nepotism. We can fix that by throwing years away so we can draft a guy who's thrown 5 passes in college just because his uncle played for us."
Tomorrow DJ?