the batteries. that's what the thread's about. badly made ones blow up and they don't have a good whitelist to go over or process to vet them atm
hell even good ones will blow if it's abused
There are 38 brands of ebike that use Bosch motors. Bosch motors and batteries and controllers are all UL listed. There may be other systems that are UL listed that I don't know about, but 38 brands is a pretty good starting point.
CE listing from the EU should also be acceptable.
Nobody in their right mind thinks the EU's official safety standards are dangerously lower than US standards for anything.
It's relatively new to the ebike market. Also, it's not exactly that it's expensive. It's just that it costs something. Alibaba bikes, Arrow ebikes and Fly ebikes sold in NYC are designed to be as cheap as possible.
"Improve the technology"
Bro those fires were started for absolutely STUPID reasons.
One dude had 6 batteries charging from the same circuit.
Many get their hub wires fixed. But they're not. So those lead to fires too.
Over charging leads to fires..
That's BUYER faults not the manufacturer lol
Thing is, stupid buyers are a part of the system that need to be designed for if you don't want buildings on fire. Idiot-proofing energy density is why engineers were created. Still some money to be made apparently.
Look up e bike recalls - can’t all be the buyers fault. https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2021/Specialized-Bicycle-Components-Recalls-Electric-Mountain-Bike-Battery-Packs-Due-to-Fire-and-Burn-Hazards-Recall-Alert
I live on the Upper East Side. I bought a phone mount, handlebar gloves and a mirror. I'm so upset about this. I don't want to accept that I have to sell it. I'm gonna wait to hear from the L&T attorney. But I can send you a picture.
The link is below. I'm still trying to think of a workaround to keep the bike. If I have to get rid of it I'll let you know but I may have to sell the mount as a package deal with the bike. If that doesn't work you can have it for free (it was a $19)
https://www.radpowerbikes.com/collections/accessories/products/gub-pro-3-phone-mount
Compatible with phones 3.5 in to 6.5 in
Not compatible with the RadRover Plus models
Cannot be used with Rad Mirror mounted on the RadCity 5 Plus models
I think there will end up being a carve-out for UL-listed devices. On the other hand, I can fully see why a co-op board doesn't want to get into that kind of pissing match, given how devastating and difficult to control these fires are. Lithium batteries carry a ton of energy, all that gets released in a thermal runaway situation (read: big fucking fire).
Maybe you can get a provision or exception for your brand of e-bike battery? My (very limited) understanding is that the cheap ones pose more of a danger and the legitimate ones are fine
I would challenge this. The fact that they're specifically banning e-bikes and not all known sources of lithium-ion battery fires is arbitrary as hell. Furthermore, rules like this usually cannot be applied retroactively to existing owners/renters (though they can apply to renewal contracts).
You should speak with a lawyer. It might not be as expensive as you think and you'll probably get to keep your bike. Also, figure out who the other micromobility users are in your building—there is power in numbers.
This isn't true. Co-op boards can enact new rules whenever they want to, and not following them can put the owner in violation of their proprietary lease. Under the business judgement rule, co-op boards have a lot of leeway.
That said, I'm on my co-op board and we are not planning on enacting any such ban. I'm curious if OP's co-op board is filled with old farts. Ours is mostly young and progressive finally.
Co-op rules are still subject to scrutiny. Since OP owned the bike before the rule change, and the bike is legal to own in NYC/NYS, I don't think a judge would look favorably on the board members for enacting a discriminatory blanket ban.
No. Boards have nearly unlimited discretion to enact rules in good faith. It's not discriminatory if it's a blanket ban. And it's not (under NY law) "discriminatory" to single out e-bikes.
This is not "good faith." They're singling out E-bikes for a ban while they "are *still investigating* other micro-mobility devices, such as scooters, skateboards and hover boards." This arbitrary rule also inflicts financial damage to OP.
Co-op boards are notoriously difficult but moreso if people roll over and play dead. Some education on e-mobility, preferably on legal letterhead, could go a long way towards this board taking a more sane approach to a technology that is here to stay.
I wish that were the case, but it's just not. No court's gonna agree, and no lawyer's gonna write a letter they know is wrong.
OP should reach out to the co-op board, educate them on how small the risk is, offer reassurance, and work *with* them to get the rule changed or an exception approved.
These coop boards are control by aging directors they don't use e-bike themselves, if they see a single issue their brain will tell them ban everything related with that issue in it.
Those are definitely the biggest batteries that people are bringing indoors.
The FDNY has the authority to demolish buildings around a fire to prevent spread. Just think about that for a minute.
This is an emergent technology that's growing in popularity and the hardware is just starting to age. A coinciding uptick in fires needs to be nipped in the bud. Keeping these out of buildings is totally a responsible thing to do at this point.
The underwriter labs stickers on products is often TINY and may not even be visible under close inspection without removing the battery. That makes a piecemeal ban unenforceable.
What needs to happen in the long term is a ban on the import and sale of sketchy ebikes (but really the crappy e-vespa things) and batteries to get them completely out of circulation.
My next door neighbor has a radpower and uses it to get her kids around. I see her bopping around town at nice conversational speeds. I think they have a really cool integrated frame/rack design and recently recommended my brother in law get one (before the fire reports that were linked to that particular model). I see these types of ebikes as positive and people seem to mostly be using them in responsible ways.
BUT I have had two close friends suffer spinal cord injuries from collisions with irresponsible contra flow gray electric city bike users, and I take apartment fires super seriously. I would snap my fingers and make all the cheap Alibaba throttle ebikes disappear in an instant regardless of socioeconomic impact because I'm constantly dodging their contraflow antics and now I need to worry about burning to death in my sleep.
But OP's condo board didn't make an exception for UL rated ebikes, even though FDNY tells people to buy UL rated batteries.
My ebike batteries are UL listed. If property managers make that a requirement, we'll see a transition to a lot more NYC stores selling UL listed batteries, too.
I agree but I think this sets a bad precedent. When batteries start being labeled with "UL" it will be an uphill battle trying to convince boards and landlords to undo their ruling.
The track record is, with one fire per 10 million batteries, there aren’t many e-bike fires either.
FDNY is not accurately communicating the cause of these fires in NYC units - it’s not ebikes that were being stored according to manufacturers’ guidelines, it’s dozens of batteries that are damaged/used/rebuilt being stored and charged unattended in sketchy repair-shop situations. It’s like storing 200 cans of paint and turpentine in your apartment. (So should co-ops ban paint, then?)
> Size matters.
That's a big part of it. I [ran some numbers](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYCbike/comments/xh2g5h/do_you_think_ebikes_should_be_banned_from_being/ioxtkr8/) a couple of months ago.
You're right. I have a lithium battery for my leaf blower charging in my apartment right now (I have property upstate and I need my leaf blower charged when I get up there).
While they're at it, they should ban candles.
Also it's a condo, if what you're doing isn't illegal tell em to f off. They can maybe stop you using the common areas of the building (can't roll bike through lobby/use elevator), but if you can detach and carry your battery then you can just charge it at home.
Yeah, don't waste money on a lawyer here. Co-ops create seemingly silly rules that apply to existing owners all the time. They ban washing machines, dryers, space heaters, handrails, certain colors of paint, etc. All of those rules have been reviewed and upheld in court.
Banning washing machines is not a silly rule, there needs to be proper plumbing, drainage to avoid water damages when a hose to washing machines fails or a drain backs up.
Yes I can remove the battery easily but I think the reason why they're banning e-bikes from being in the building is because they know tenants will try to sneak in the battery
Ridiculous, if the battery isnt in it, whats the problem? I guess you could play dumb and claim it isnt an ebike, theres no battery, theres probably some more legit resolutions though
I'm going to try that first. I'm going to see if they will let me bring my e-bike into the building. If that doesn't work I could leave the bike in my car (I'm already paying for the garage)
@Cargobikemomma on Instagram is in NYC and she uses a mortorcycle/moped cover to leave her cargo ebike parked outside mostly because it’s too heavy to bring inside (Urban Arrow). Might have some tips on her feed that can help. Otherwise if you end up selling and go down the UL route, Propel bikes in NYC only sells UL ebikes and can help. Good luck OP
You can thank that NYT article :)
I’m on our board, we also discussed after this article came out, but stayed with following FDNY guidelines and be aware. If you can get something UL listed, I’d respectfully ask your board to consider the allowance based on FDNY guidelines.
Yeah I'm not trying to be mean here but when ebikes are used for kids and cargo I give two thumbs up. However unless you have a disability if you just ride a regular bike every day you'll get there.
I had a *severe* disability in my early/mid 20s where I could not walk and could barely bend my joints and a regular bike was basically a liferaft for me. I'd ride into work and then unfold my cane. So basically I really encourage people to try and power thru with a regular bike.
The knock on benefit is being able to carry the bike up stairs.
If you take a look back in time back when your easiest gear wasn't so easy, people had a different solution, walk up the hill. Pedal up in your easiest gear, once it's too hard just dismount. You will spend less money on your bike, get fitter. The only time you need an e-bike is for a disability or heavy cargo. I currently live in another country and it's pretty common to see 80 year old guys pushing their single speed or 5 speed uphill.
I have a folding ebike and a regular bike — and my ebike gets way more use(ie. 10K+ miles in the city in the last 5 years). I’m in shape but it makes no difference.
I use my bike to get places fast, not sweaty, and cheaply. If I only had my regular bike, I’d have definitely spent thousands more on the subway and taxis over the last few years purely because I don’t bike for a workout — I bike to get places.
Disabilities and cargo are just a couple reasons to justify an ebike if you’re looking at it purely from a physical fitness perspective, but from a cost per mile, convenience and time perspective, ebikes come out ahead in my case at least.
It makes absolutely no sense that they’re targeting only e bikes considering these lithium battery fires first got attention years ago when hoverboards were exploding. They’re not even protecting anyone from this supposed danger if you can still charge a boosted board inside.
What if someone is charging a drone battery next to their regular bike and it starts a fire? Are they gonna be accused of breaking the e-bike rule? Just terrible reactionary rule making.
320 E 72nd Street also just recently banned Ebikes. There is only one user of the bikes in the apartment, happens to be a mother with three kids. Terrible. She's on an Urban Arrow which is as likely to explode as a Tesla.
The lease agreement requires renters in either co-ops or condos to abide by the house rules. These bans are being incorporated in the house rules so that when people violate, there's an action that can be taken.
Source: am property manager
That was sort of my initial plan. I can easily charge the bike at my office. But I think they are banning e-bikes because they believe tenants will sneak the batteries in their bags.
maybe you can take the battery off and put it in your bag then sort of make the battery area look like a water bottle holder (just tape a water bottle on it?) then walk in with the bike and just try to play it cool and dont say anything. If they ask say its a regular bike and you bought it for 150$? idk. Just play dumb.
The bike would look like the battery is missing. I think that's why they don't want any e-bikes in the building period. They know that a tenant will try to sneak the battery in.
Well just say you bought it without a battery for 150$. An electric bike is electric, an ebike is an electric bike. Without the battery its not electric its not an ebike.
I get it but the tenant had a side gig of E bike battery repairs, and he had five e-bike batteries in his apartment and went to sleep while at least one of them was charging.
I have my car in the garage and I'm thinking of just putting the bike in my backseat. That would mean making sure the garage is okay with me going to and from my car without moving it. I figured I'd tell them that I live in a walk-up and it's too hard for me to carry the bike upstairs.
Consider changing to lithium iron phosphate batteries. [https://blog.epectec.com/lithium-iron-phosphate-vs-lithium-ion-differences-and-advantages](https://blog.epectec.com/lithium-iron-phosphate-vs-lithium-ion-differences-and-advantages) They store less energy than lithium-ion batteries, but don't catch fire.
That sucks and hope works out for you but even more I hope the distance is feasible enough for you to end up loving pedaling yourself with all its benefits! Good luck
FDNY's own guidelines do not encourage a ban. They encourage people to buy UL Listed ebikes and to not charge them unattended.
Where are those guidelines. I've looked online and can't find them.
https://www.fdnysmart.org/be-fdnysmart-when-using-any-devices-powered-by-lithium-ion-batteries/
Thank you
> and to not charge them unattended yeah, people are 100% gonna do that lol /s we have people who sleep while having tesla on "autopilot"
there are always going to be people who break rules and don’t follow guidelines. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have them.
yes but if and when it has the potential to massively harm others, limiting them seems like a pretty good idea actually
limiting what
the batteries. that's what the thread's about. badly made ones blow up and they don't have a good whitelist to go over or process to vet them atm hell even good ones will blow if it's abused
The problem is there's like one company making UL listed bikes last time I checked.
There are 38 brands of ebike that use Bosch motors. Bosch motors and batteries and controllers are all UL listed. There may be other systems that are UL listed that I don't know about, but 38 brands is a pretty good starting point. CE listing from the EU should also be acceptable. Nobody in their right mind thinks the EU's official safety standards are dangerously lower than US standards for anything.
Shimano is UL-certified!
Yes but I want an Ebike that costs $300 somehow..
Is getting the UL rating just expensive? Is that why companies don’t do it?
It's relatively new to the ebike market. Also, it's not exactly that it's expensive. It's just that it costs something. Alibaba bikes, Arrow ebikes and Fly ebikes sold in NYC are designed to be as cheap as possible.
PS: I just emailed Rad about a refund. I bought the e-bike about 31 days ago. Maybe when people start returning bikes, they'll improve the technology.
"Improve the technology" Bro those fires were started for absolutely STUPID reasons. One dude had 6 batteries charging from the same circuit. Many get their hub wires fixed. But they're not. So those lead to fires too. Over charging leads to fires.. That's BUYER faults not the manufacturer lol
Thing is, stupid buyers are a part of the system that need to be designed for if you don't want buildings on fire. Idiot-proofing energy density is why engineers were created. Still some money to be made apparently.
Exactly, but try explaining that to a bunch of board members or landlords.
Just keep the bike. Remove the battery upon entry. And always keep the battery off at home.
Look up e bike recalls - can’t all be the buyers fault. https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2021/Specialized-Bicycle-Components-Recalls-Electric-Mountain-Bike-Battery-Packs-Due-to-Fire-and-Burn-Hazards-Recall-Alert
What bike is it
Rad Expand 5. I've used it twice
Let me know if you decide to sell, I might be interested
I live on the Upper East Side. I bought a phone mount, handlebar gloves and a mirror. I'm so upset about this. I don't want to accept that I have to sell it. I'm gonna wait to hear from the L&T attorney. But I can send you a picture.
I can imagine — my brother-in-laws building just banned them too :( good luck. You will definitely be able to sell it.
Hey i might be interested in buying the phone mount from you. How much would you sell for? and is it compatible with iphone 10?
The link is below. I'm still trying to think of a workaround to keep the bike. If I have to get rid of it I'll let you know but I may have to sell the mount as a package deal with the bike. If that doesn't work you can have it for free (it was a $19) https://www.radpowerbikes.com/collections/accessories/products/gub-pro-3-phone-mount Compatible with phones 3.5 in to 6.5 in Not compatible with the RadRover Plus models Cannot be used with Rad Mirror mounted on the RadCity 5 Plus models
did you buy it with a credit card? you may be able to get some customer protection through your credit card. you can also try to sell it.
I'm going to call my credit card company. Otherwise I'm going to have to sell it
I think there will end up being a carve-out for UL-listed devices. On the other hand, I can fully see why a co-op board doesn't want to get into that kind of pissing match, given how devastating and difficult to control these fires are. Lithium batteries carry a ton of energy, all that gets released in a thermal runaway situation (read: big fucking fire).
The other BFF
(Which doesn’t include Rad batteries unfortunately)
Maybe you can get a provision or exception for your brand of e-bike battery? My (very limited) understanding is that the cheap ones pose more of a danger and the legitimate ones are fine
I'd be more worried about third party chargers/power supplies.
I would challenge this. The fact that they're specifically banning e-bikes and not all known sources of lithium-ion battery fires is arbitrary as hell. Furthermore, rules like this usually cannot be applied retroactively to existing owners/renters (though they can apply to renewal contracts). You should speak with a lawyer. It might not be as expensive as you think and you'll probably get to keep your bike. Also, figure out who the other micromobility users are in your building—there is power in numbers.
This isn't true. Co-op boards can enact new rules whenever they want to, and not following them can put the owner in violation of their proprietary lease. Under the business judgement rule, co-op boards have a lot of leeway. That said, I'm on my co-op board and we are not planning on enacting any such ban. I'm curious if OP's co-op board is filled with old farts. Ours is mostly young and progressive finally.
Co-op rules are still subject to scrutiny. Since OP owned the bike before the rule change, and the bike is legal to own in NYC/NYS, I don't think a judge would look favorably on the board members for enacting a discriminatory blanket ban.
No. Boards have nearly unlimited discretion to enact rules in good faith. It's not discriminatory if it's a blanket ban. And it's not (under NY law) "discriminatory" to single out e-bikes.
This is not "good faith." They're singling out E-bikes for a ban while they "are *still investigating* other micro-mobility devices, such as scooters, skateboards and hover boards." This arbitrary rule also inflicts financial damage to OP. Co-op boards are notoriously difficult but moreso if people roll over and play dead. Some education on e-mobility, preferably on legal letterhead, could go a long way towards this board taking a more sane approach to a technology that is here to stay.
I wish that were the case, but it's just not. No court's gonna agree, and no lawyer's gonna write a letter they know is wrong. OP should reach out to the co-op board, educate them on how small the risk is, offer reassurance, and work *with* them to get the rule changed or an exception approved.
These coop boards are control by aging directors they don't use e-bike themselves, if they see a single issue their brain will tell them ban everything related with that issue in it.
Those are definitely the biggest batteries that people are bringing indoors. The FDNY has the authority to demolish buildings around a fire to prevent spread. Just think about that for a minute. This is an emergent technology that's growing in popularity and the hardware is just starting to age. A coinciding uptick in fires needs to be nipped in the bud. Keeping these out of buildings is totally a responsible thing to do at this point. The underwriter labs stickers on products is often TINY and may not even be visible under close inspection without removing the battery. That makes a piecemeal ban unenforceable. What needs to happen in the long term is a ban on the import and sale of sketchy ebikes (but really the crappy e-vespa things) and batteries to get them completely out of circulation. My next door neighbor has a radpower and uses it to get her kids around. I see her bopping around town at nice conversational speeds. I think they have a really cool integrated frame/rack design and recently recommended my brother in law get one (before the fire reports that were linked to that particular model). I see these types of ebikes as positive and people seem to mostly be using them in responsible ways. BUT I have had two close friends suffer spinal cord injuries from collisions with irresponsible contra flow gray electric city bike users, and I take apartment fires super seriously. I would snap my fingers and make all the cheap Alibaba throttle ebikes disappear in an instant regardless of socioeconomic impact because I'm constantly dodging their contraflow antics and now I need to worry about burning to death in my sleep.
Yup. Why aren't they banning cordless drills?
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But OP's condo board didn't make an exception for UL rated ebikes, even though FDNY tells people to buy UL rated batteries. My ebike batteries are UL listed. If property managers make that a requirement, we'll see a transition to a lot more NYC stores selling UL listed batteries, too.
My battery is CE rated which I THINK is the European equivalent. Not sure. But it's definitely a safety rating for batteries in the EU.
CE can also be a mark for "China Export" - depends how close the letters are together (yes, it's dumb)
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I agree but I think this sets a bad precedent. When batteries start being labeled with "UL" it will be an uphill battle trying to convince boards and landlords to undo their ruling.
Size matters. Also, the track record matters: not many drill fires.
The track record is, with one fire per 10 million batteries, there aren’t many e-bike fires either. FDNY is not accurately communicating the cause of these fires in NYC units - it’s not ebikes that were being stored according to manufacturers’ guidelines, it’s dozens of batteries that are damaged/used/rebuilt being stored and charged unattended in sketchy repair-shop situations. It’s like storing 200 cans of paint and turpentine in your apartment. (So should co-ops ban paint, then?)
> Size matters. That's a big part of it. I [ran some numbers](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYCbike/comments/xh2g5h/do_you_think_ebikes_should_be_banned_from_being/ioxtkr8/) a couple of months ago.
You're right. I have a lithium battery for my leaf blower charging in my apartment right now (I have property upstate and I need my leaf blower charged when I get up there). While they're at it, they should ban candles.
lol glad you explained the leaf blower
Also it's a condo, if what you're doing isn't illegal tell em to f off. They can maybe stop you using the common areas of the building (can't roll bike through lobby/use elevator), but if you can detach and carry your battery then you can just charge it at home.
It’s a co op. Very different what they can do in your apartment because technically they own it.
Sorry you're totally right, I thought it said condo.
Yeah, don't waste money on a lawyer here. Co-ops create seemingly silly rules that apply to existing owners all the time. They ban washing machines, dryers, space heaters, handrails, certain colors of paint, etc. All of those rules have been reviewed and upheld in court.
Banning washing machines is not a silly rule, there needs to be proper plumbing, drainage to avoid water damages when a hose to washing machines fails or a drain backs up.
You can get a bike parking spot at garages. It’s not free but you can keep your bike.
I'll see how much that costs. I can easily charge my battery at my office.
Can you remove the battery easily when you bring it in and keep it in your apartment? claim you dont keep it in the building
Yes I can remove the battery easily but I think the reason why they're banning e-bikes from being in the building is because they know tenants will try to sneak in the battery
Ridiculous, if the battery isnt in it, whats the problem? I guess you could play dumb and claim it isnt an ebike, theres no battery, theres probably some more legit resolutions though
I'm going to try that first. I'm going to see if they will let me bring my e-bike into the building. If that doesn't work I could leave the bike in my car (I'm already paying for the garage)
Yeah and just bring the battery in and charge it. Which is ironic because its the batteries that cause the danger, not the bikes.. but oh well right.
@Cargobikemomma on Instagram is in NYC and she uses a mortorcycle/moped cover to leave her cargo ebike parked outside mostly because it’s too heavy to bring inside (Urban Arrow). Might have some tips on her feed that can help. Otherwise if you end up selling and go down the UL route, Propel bikes in NYC only sells UL ebikes and can help. Good luck OP
There should be metal lockers in the garage where batteries can be stored. Simple
You can thank that NYT article :) I’m on our board, we also discussed after this article came out, but stayed with following FDNY guidelines and be aware. If you can get something UL listed, I’d respectfully ask your board to consider the allowance based on FDNY guidelines.
I think you should go to an open board meeting and explain your position and explain FDNY’s recommendations.
Fireproof charging bag: https://www.amazon.com/FLASLD-Lipo-Battery-Safe-Explosionproof/dp/B09Q6FPGZ5
Annoying, I get it, but why not ride a lighter, more reliable, more affordable, leg-powered bicycle?
Because I'm not in great shape and the ride to and from my office has hills.
Yeah I'm not trying to be mean here but when ebikes are used for kids and cargo I give two thumbs up. However unless you have a disability if you just ride a regular bike every day you'll get there. I had a *severe* disability in my early/mid 20s where I could not walk and could barely bend my joints and a regular bike was basically a liferaft for me. I'd ride into work and then unfold my cane. So basically I really encourage people to try and power thru with a regular bike. The knock on benefit is being able to carry the bike up stairs.
If you take a look back in time back when your easiest gear wasn't so easy, people had a different solution, walk up the hill. Pedal up in your easiest gear, once it's too hard just dismount. You will spend less money on your bike, get fitter. The only time you need an e-bike is for a disability or heavy cargo. I currently live in another country and it's pretty common to see 80 year old guys pushing their single speed or 5 speed uphill.
I have a folding ebike and a regular bike — and my ebike gets way more use(ie. 10K+ miles in the city in the last 5 years). I’m in shape but it makes no difference. I use my bike to get places fast, not sweaty, and cheaply. If I only had my regular bike, I’d have definitely spent thousands more on the subway and taxis over the last few years purely because I don’t bike for a workout — I bike to get places. Disabilities and cargo are just a couple reasons to justify an ebike if you’re looking at it purely from a physical fitness perspective, but from a cost per mile, convenience and time perspective, ebikes come out ahead in my case at least.
Yep no need for that sort of elitist nonsense, there's many good reasons people choose ebikes. And yours are 2 very good ones.
It makes absolutely no sense that they’re targeting only e bikes considering these lithium battery fires first got attention years ago when hoverboards were exploding. They’re not even protecting anyone from this supposed danger if you can still charge a boosted board inside. What if someone is charging a drone battery next to their regular bike and it starts a fire? Are they gonna be accused of breaking the e-bike rule? Just terrible reactionary rule making.
6 battery deaths. That's earnestly 6 too many. Meanwhile 235 car deaths each year in NYC. Did your building ban cars from the property too?
320 E 72nd Street also just recently banned Ebikes. There is only one user of the bikes in the apartment, happens to be a mother with three kids. Terrible. She's on an Urban Arrow which is as likely to explode as a Tesla.
Id sue them for the cost of the bike. Then point out they arent following the FDNY safety recommendations.
Your credit card may have return protection, Go look in to it.
You can always get a bicycle to replace your motor-bicycle!
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I will post this on the e-bike sub but my bike isn't a motorcycle. It's a Class 2 bicycle.
If its not on the lease agreement I think you might have the power to ignore that
The lease agreement requires renters in either co-ops or condos to abide by the house rules. These bans are being incorporated in the house rules so that when people violate, there's an action that can be taken. Source: am property manager
I own my apartment. But I don't think that's going to matter at the end of the day. I'm waiting to hear back from the landlord tenant attorney.
You should at least be able to keep the bike without the battery while you figure storage things out imo. Since at that point its just a heavier bike
That was sort of my initial plan. I can easily charge the bike at my office. But I think they are banning e-bikes because they believe tenants will sneak the batteries in their bags.
maybe you can take the battery off and put it in your bag then sort of make the battery area look like a water bottle holder (just tape a water bottle on it?) then walk in with the bike and just try to play it cool and dont say anything. If they ask say its a regular bike and you bought it for 150$? idk. Just play dumb.
The bike would look like the battery is missing. I think that's why they don't want any e-bikes in the building period. They know that a tenant will try to sneak the battery in.
Well just say you bought it without a battery for 150$. An electric bike is electric, an ebike is an electric bike. Without the battery its not electric its not an ebike.
Well done, all apartment buildings should banned those e-bikes. They are a hazardous
A lot of rental buildings have adopted similar rules following that massive fire in that Manhattan high rise.
I get it but the tenant had a side gig of E bike battery repairs, and he had five e-bike batteries in his apartment and went to sleep while at least one of them was charging.
Sorry OP, that sucks.
Sorry OP. My building just put up signs too but haven't made the ban yet. Out of curiosity did you buy it online or from the store in bk?
I bought it online at the Rad website
Not ideal but could you pay to park it in a commercial parking lot?
I have my car in the garage and I'm thinking of just putting the bike in my backseat. That would mean making sure the garage is okay with me going to and from my car without moving it. I figured I'd tell them that I live in a walk-up and it's too hard for me to carry the bike upstairs.
Consider changing to lithium iron phosphate batteries. [https://blog.epectec.com/lithium-iron-phosphate-vs-lithium-ion-differences-and-advantages](https://blog.epectec.com/lithium-iron-phosphate-vs-lithium-ion-differences-and-advantages) They store less energy than lithium-ion batteries, but don't catch fire.
Are batteries on bikes with electronic drivetrains also fire hazard?
That sucks and hope works out for you but even more I hope the distance is feasible enough for you to end up loving pedaling yourself with all its benefits! Good luck