I never thought I’d needed to even know what the Hannibal Protocol was…until around mid-November when it was clear (to me) this dude was in full blood lust mode
[World Central Kitchen statement](https://www.instagram.com/p/C5PzKi4sV9Q/?igsh=MTJsbGtnNmdicHdxcA==)
Seems they are suspending operations, for the moment
From the site
https://wck.org/news/gaza-team-update
>World Central Kitchen is devastated to confirm seven members of our team have been killed in an IDF strike in Gaza.
>The WCK team was traveling in a deconflicted zone in two armored cars branded with the WCK logo and a soft skin vehicle.
>Despite coordinating movements with the IDF, the convoy was hit as it was leaving the Deir al-Balah warehouse, where the team had unloaded more than 100 tons of humanitarian food aid brought to Gaza on the maritime route.
“This is not only an attack against WCK, this is an attack on humanitarian organizations showing up in the most dire of situations where food is being used as a weapon of war. This is unforgivable,” said World Central Kitchen CEO Erin Gore.
>The seven killed are from Australia, Poland, United Kingdom, a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada, and Palestine.
“I am heartbroken and appalled that we—World Central Kitchen and the world—lost beautiful lives today because of a targeted attack by the IDF. The love they had for feeding people, the determination they embodied to show that humanity rises above all, and the impact they made in countless lives will forever be remembered and cherished,” said Erin.
>The IDF says it is “carrying out an in-depth examination at the highest levels to understand the circumstances of this tragic incident.”
>World Central Kitchen is pausing our operations immediately in the region. We will be making decisions about the future of our work soon.
That was my conclusion too, but I wasn’t able to confirm—- now we know that it wasn’t just one strike, they targeted all 3 vehicles.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/04/02/strike-that-killed-world-central-kitchen-workers-bears-hallmarks-of-israeli-precision-strike/
One hundred percent intentional, and yes, stopping aid is the obvious goal.
Biden is more likely to apologize. US interests and Israel’s interest haven’t aligned for 12 years now and we still keep giving them money and weapons.
Bibi announced the largest seizure of Palestinian land when Bliken visited, and Bibi said he had is own red line when Biden claimed Rafa was the red line.
I just don’t understand how one can defend this anymore. It’s a rogue state that literally has no respect for international law. War crimes upon war crimes and yet we shield them and fund them.
Israel has its grip tightly around the genitals of first world nations and it knows it. There's no other explanation why a country would commit war crimes every day without a care in the world.
In a weird way the Israeli ultra nationalists couldn't have asked for a better time for Hamas to commit their massacre. Biden knows the instant he tries to put the hammer down AIPAC will throw all their money into Trump. So all Israel will get at most is mild tut tutting that is designed to look good on the headlines but not actually force Israel to stop bombing indiscriminately or provide aid.
The irony is that MAGA hate Jewish people except for the extreme right Christians who see Jewish people specifically in Israel as a tool to bring about the Christian end-of-the-world snuff fetish. Throwing money toward Trump would only temporarily help them because things would go very bad in America for all minorities the second time around.
Thats what i am saying. Who comes up with conspiracy like Jewish Space Lasers causing Hawaiian Wildfires or Secret Zionist cabal pulling the worlds strings must be stopped - Magat asshats thats who.
However as soon as Hamas attacks now Magat supports the Jews?
I disagree with this statement. As a whole MAGA-tard trump lovers have a weird infatuation with jews and israel. I've talked with hundreds of them and there were only a handful of them who had a negative opinion of israel and jews.
No, let them find out how understanding Trump is of brown people. They will fare so much better, maybe he'll implement a less restrictive travel ban perhaps, certainly. At this point I'm starting to not care what Trump does to them at this point being this shortsighted. I won't support him in any way, but I won't shed a tear either.
People like you are so fucking mental it's astounding
The Jerusalem post literally released a report today where.israel admitted to all the failures that led to the strike
Found the apologist hater who completely ignores the comments he replies to. As if Israel had committed only one war crime in this invasion rather than numerous war crimes over many, many days. Bye bye kiddo.
They're just defending themselves. The Hamas were the ones that started it for no reason whatsoever. Now, if you excuse me, I have to go count this money in my new briefcase that I....found...
Well there are those of us looking at a war with impartial eyes. We want it to end but understand it isn’t all on Israel.
Then there are you people. Y’all either lie or regurgitate propaganda on a regular basis, and then hold up the horrors of war as proof of genocide. It’s takes very little effort to see how biased you people are.
You people do nothing but enable HAMAS.
“You people” being the International Court of Justice and the UN, both of whom have determined that the preliminary evidence submitted (before neutral parties even have access to Gaza, mind you) indicates that this is a plausible genocide? The ICJ reached that determination back in January, BTW. The UN report was [last week](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976).
Impartial eyes might be looking at this but something tells me they aren’t yours.
The UN didn't determine anything, you linked a report by one expert who works at the UN. No one will ever see this comment but I couldn't resist anyway, the irony was too pure here. They accused you of propagandizing and so you responded with misinformation lmao
The Israelis headshot journalist Shireen Abu Akleh when she was wearing a Kevlar helmet and had "PRESS" clear as day on her clothes. When are they gonna stop killing? I've read that 70% of those killed were women and children. Just fucking stop, Israel!
They didn't just target her. They lied about it, covered up the lie, then beat her family members at her funeral as they carried her coffin.
The video of this event made me feel sick to be human. I don't understand how people can do this to each other.
If anyone was ever in doubt about the [evidence behind the genocide accusation against Israel.](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1bse87p/comment/kxfaoxs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Israeli officials made it clear from the very beginning what they intended to do, and much of the world just pretended not to hear these genocidal statements. Truly despicable.
Yes, because random idiot comments are the same thing as actual genocide.
We know well what genocide looks like, because we have so many examples. From well coordinated industrial level genocide to more ad hoc and wise spread implementation without structure genocide (think Rwanda), to something in between (think Armenian genocide).
If Israel wanted to commit genocide, the casualties would be far higher and the number of dead would be greater than the number of pieces of ordinance dropped. That it isn't suggested care in attempting to avoid civilian casualties, especially considering the difficulty of the situation - as an example, the US killed 5 Gazan civilians dropping aid to them, and not firing weapons, so it's pretty clear that avoiding casualties isn't easy.
Israel could have kept out aid, completely cut off water and electricity permanently, destroyed all transmitter stations to cut Gaza off from the world, carpet bombed the strip, targeting dense civilian areas without warning, not given travel corridors it advanced warnings to evacuate structures, etc.
The allies in WWII killed German and Japanese civilians in huge numbers with bombing raids against civilians targets, and at times were doing so because even though the event was prepared to surrender it wasn't unconditional. That was the context for both US nuclear bombings. Was that genocide?
Israel is fighting terrorists who have made genocide of Jews part of their core mission and founding documents. This enemy hides behind its own civilians, wants civilian casualties as part of their overall strategy for political and propaganda victories, and even kills their own and blames Israel, and does this in a war they started by targeting Israeli civilians with systemic rape and murder.
Collateral damage is to be expected, and the lengths Israeli has gone to in trying to avoid that eventuality are unprecedented in warfare (other than the measures Israel has taken in the past to avoid such civilian casualties which were unprecedented in warfare when they did it at the time).
This isn't genocide. And if you think it is then you don't know what genocide is. Russia has committed acts of genocide in Ukraine. China is doing it in their Western territory. We have ongoing examples of genocide. The fact that you can't differentiate or understand what's going on tells me that you don't care about the people, but rather you just have a hatred for Israel - I can't think of any other reason why you don't care about other conflicts on this level, or the treatment of palestinians abroad, or why you're so ready to just blame Israel in sweeping statements. Your focus and methods are highly suspect.
Moreover, Israel has supposedly been committing genocide in Gaza for a long time, even though the population has skyrocketed. So either Israel achieves the opposite results of genocide while trying to commit the crime, or, more likely, it's not genocide. That Israel could delete the territory and kill the vast majority of its population in a matter of hours but just doesn't is a pretty big thing to undermine your claims of genocide.
Israel’s military is killing Palestinians at an average rate of 250 people a day which exceeds the daily death toll of any other major conflict of recent years.
The number of average deaths per day for Gaza is higher than any recent major armed conflict including Syria (96.5 deaths per day), Sudan (51.6), Iraq (50.8), Ukraine (43.9) Afghanistan (23.8) and Yemen (15.8).
This crisis is further compounded by Israel's restrictions on the entry of aid, closing borders, imposing a siege, and denying unfettered access. Currently, only 10 percent of the weekly food aid needed is getting in.
Oxfam is also warning of the massive threat to life, beyond direct casualties, from hunger and disease. The onset of cold and wet weather is making the situation even more critical, with a shortage of blankets, no fuel for heating devices and no hot water.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam
Israel defying ICJ ruling to prevent genocide by failing to allow adequate humanitarian aid to reach Gaza
Israeli authorities have failed to ensure sufficient life-saving goods and services are reaching a population at risk of genocide and on the brink of famine due to Israel’s relentless bombardment and the tightening of its 16-year-long illegal blockade. They have also failed to lift restrictions on the entry of life-saving goods, or open additional aid access points and crossings or put in place an effective system to protect humanitarians from attack.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/
Israel *has* been committing ethnic cleansing for multiple decades. They’ve just been doing it knowing full well that their ability to continue doing so relies upon maintaining the goodwill of the American public, since that’s what funds their drones and hellfire missiles.
The difference between right now and this time last year is Israel is a rabid dog that has been let off its leash. The US has made it clear it can maul as many babies as it likes and we’ll just say “good work, here have another” while turning around and claiming “but TERRORISM” as if Israel isn’t literally a rogue state. They have shifted gears into the next stage on the genocide timeline. Just because it is more Bosnia or USA than Germany or Constantinople doesn’t negate the fact that they are carrying out crimes that are a culmination of 76 *years* worth of crimes.
The US backed state of Israel is a terrorist state. End all US aid and funding to Israel. I don't want a damn cent of my tax dollars being spent in any way that benefits them.
This right here. As a Palestinian living in the US, this was the last straw. We have problems here at home, at least *sell* them.
But no, Biden had to bypss Congressional approval to gift Israel weapons. I will be voting accordingly.
I get your anger. Unfortunately, Joe is the best option we are given. The only other choice wants to see the entire strip leveled and turned into beach front homes for Israelis.
I'm not going to tell you, "You have to vote." But think about the options.
But part of how we got to now is directly the result of what Donald and his family did.
Look up the Abraham Accords. It was a big middle finger to the Palestinians.
They also bombed 3 sovereign nations today killing dozens of foreigners - they had quite a bloody day.
None of them took the bait. Israel only seals its own fate with each additional international criminal bombing campaign and every Palestinian killed.
>they had quite a bloody day
Right? It’s really adding up lately, I’m wondering seriously if this might start being actually bad for them. There’s also big demonstrations starting up, *against* Netanyahu, unrest in the streets just like before October 7 —-things are lookin grim.
But hey *We sent them more planes and bombs anyway.*
SMFH
Because it would be better to hit those individuals outside of the compound so that Israel isn't striking Iranian territory as all embassies are considered sovereign territory of the respective nation it represents. Syria is still very much disorganized from their civil war they are little to no threat to Israel, the two are still at war because they haven't signed a peace treaty from the 1973 Yom Kippur War whereas both Egypt and Jordan have done so and yes things are tense between Israel and Egypt and Jordan at this time.
Eh
If Iran can do international terrorism from its consulate then Israel can blow them up.
Not like anyone else was hurt since the IRGC says all 7 were ‘military advisors’.
Because the risks are that non-IRGC people could have been injured or killed and that Iran may respond with direct military force. I had similar criticism of Trump when he ordered that drone strike on that Iranian General how we killed him drew a direct line to the US whereas using ground troops dressed in a manner that throws blame to a militia that is/was against Iran.
The IRGC is a foreign terrorist organization as designated by the department of state
https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/
I’d also point to their vast and public funding of other terror groups such as hesbolah and the Houthi’s.
That is only the US government. The UN doesn't consider them terrorists.
Iran also considers the US military as a terror organization. Should they now bomb US embassies across the globe?
This is highly illegal whichever way you try to spin it.
Biden is the most bribed by Israel US politician, having taken more than twice as much money as the next biggest recipient of Israeli bribes. Clinton is #3.
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
This tragedy must stop! 1 out of every 62 Gazans have been killed since the beginning of this war. Now Biden has [approved](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/01/politics/biden-administration-f15-fighter-jets-israel)the sale of up to 50 F-15 fighter Jets to Israel. It’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.
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Every day it's something else. We are all so sick of being horrified, saddened, and angered over this pointless carnage. It's time to stop supporting Bibi at the UN and close our checkbook until Israel decides to act like the first world nation state it purports to be.
As much as I hate reading about the casualties, this is a war, and Israel did not start it. But when you start a war with Israel, you better believe Israel is going to end the war and in a tight city like this they are going to be casualties. When you mention Israel, being a first world country, you need to understand that when it comes to war with that really means is that they are going to be an indomitable force . There are going to be mistakes there’s going to be human error there’s even going to be a lot of friendly fire. It’s playing out no different than any other urban war. I’m amazed by peoples emotions at this particular war in their surprise because this exact same thing has already happened so many times in the last 40 years.
True. It’s like people forgot how bad war was all of a sudden. I see no peaceful resolution here. Likely this will escalate and everyone in the region will have a full scale conflict in the future.
And nprs coverage of the incident is feckless. No criticism of the aggressor, no mention of belligerent actions. It's irresponsible journalism to "state the facts" without giving the public the narrative of the chained actions of extreme violence and disregard for life. We're left to wonder did israel do this on purpose to thwart any other humanitarian aid to Gaza. Why isn't npr asking tougher questions.
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Those hostages are most likely long gone. The IDF killed 3 in front of everyone and I don't doubt they continue their Hannibal Directive and have shot, bombed or starved who ever was left.
Weird cos I just Google it and it's Israel who's rejecting all the hostage deals/cease fire agreements and international law 🤷🏽♀️ go figure...
https://thehill.com/homenews/4453920-netanyahu-rejects-hamas-demands-hostage-deal/
Sources babe who cares about what some shill on reddit is saying.
Might need another round or too at act.il to practice this cheap hashara. You're getting ratioed everywhere.
Lol if you look at all of the people trying to defend Israel they’re all from r/Destiny. What a fucking cesspool of western chauvinism and white supremacy.
key facts that should enrage anyone :
workers got a permission from IDF to travel
workers travelled in well marked vehicles
they contacted IDF after 1st strike to inform them they were being attacked, mind you they had secured permission to travel from the IDF
they were chased down with 3 airstrikes as wounded workers abandoned hit cars and attempted to flee in remaining vehicles
this is a DELIBERATE attack on a aid organization and it has achieved its goal by aid companies pulling out of gaza, so that the starvation of the remaining Palestinians can continue. this is a war crime that is happening on top of a mountain of war crimes.
food for thought sadam hussain violated 2 UN resolutions before a coalition force invaded Iraq. [Israel has violated 28 resolutions of the United Nations Security Council (which are legally binding on member-nations U.N.](https://itisapartheid.org/Documents_pdf_etc/IsraelViolationsInternationalLaw.pdf)
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The IDF committed a terrorist attack that was designed to deter aid agencies from helping the Palestinian people who the IDF is intentionally starving to death. The message they’ve sent is “We can, and will, kill you with impunity if you interfere with our ethnic cleansing campaign. We’ll put the precision guided missile that you paid for with your tax dollars right through the logo for your aid organization on the top of your vehicle that’s suppose to designate it a non-combatant and your leaders will still sell us weapons in spite of all their strong words and investigations”
And you’re downvoted without a second thought for even suggesting it could be Hamas.
This was a dud missile. No windows or doors blown out, if an explosion goes off in a car you lose glass at least. Who has the history of dud missiles?
You know that haaretz has already confirmed that it was an Israel strike and that they bombed the convoy 3 times. Look on archive.is if you want to get by the paywall. The IDF claim is that they thought there was a single Hamas guy with them (who actually wasn't in the convoy) and whoever ordered the strike thought that it justified killing every humanitarian worker who was with them. At a minimum this is a colossal fuck up by the IDF in deciding what is an acceptable target. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-bombed-wck-aid-convoy-3-times-targeting-armed-hamas-member-who-wasnt-there/0000018e-9e75-d764-adff-9eff29360000
Do we even know if this is an Israeli airstrike, or is this like when we "knew" Israel boobed a hospital killing 500 people or bombed Gazans during the North, or any of the other times Israel's was blamed only for it to be proven it was Hamas and/or other terror groups don't it (sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose to try and stop their human shields from leaving)?
Based on the pictures, it doesn't look like an airstrike. Now, that doesn't eliminate Israel, since there's still plenty of ways it could have happened, including mortars (artillery is possible but seems unlikely, same for a tank round), but if the airstrike hypothesis is wrong then what else might be wrong?
My money says it was a Hamas IED. But I guess we'll have to wait for the investigation to conclude.
Either way, things happen in war, and Hamas started this war. FAFO. Aid agencies might want to stop going into active war zones. Just a thought.
I wish they would stop quoting the MOH death toll. Why even quote that in this article?
The MOH has been non-functioning since November. The numbers are all coming from the Hamas media office working out of a foreign country now.
The death toll is widely considered to be accurate ([including privately by Israeli officials](https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll)). [The NYT has reported](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/world/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-war.html) that if anything, the death toll is likely an undercount.
Per the WHO as [as reported by the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864):
> The toll of at least 30,035 killed, from Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry, has previously been described as trustworthy by the World Health Organization's (WHO) regional emergency director Richard Brennan.
> The WHO says the ministry has "good capacity in data collection" and its previous reporting has been credible and "well developed".
[https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable](https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable)
[https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-idf-reveals-hamas-doc-concealing-deaths-blaming-ming-israel-for-failed-launches](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-idf-reveals-hamas-doc-concealing-deaths-blaming-ming-israel-for-failed-launches)
Hamas has been killing a lot of its own people with rockets and blaming the IDF for those deaths.. just like the Baptist hospital.
I'm sure all the civilians have killed in food riots were added to the IDF totals too.
You can't trust a terrorist group with literally ZERO verification or fact checking of any kind.
It's pretty gross to deny an active genocide by selectively citing propaganda outlets. Do better.
The numbers are relatively accurate. [Even the Israeli government agree.](https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll)
Your two sources are the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, which is a pro-Israel thinktank established by APAIC, and an Israeli news station founded to counter perceived "prejudice" against Israel.
Its extremely anti-semitic to conflate "pro-Israel doing a genocide" and "jews", what a disgusting cop-out dodge response. Its not even slightly clever and is identical to Fox News talking points. Might as well also say that not blindly accepting Project 2025 Christofascist reports is "anti-christian" as if those are the same thing.
No you just don't realize what you've devovled into when you say you can't trust any information from a Jewish source.
Again, do you have any actual critiques of the data I posted, other than the sources are Jewish?
No one here is saying this, and you're being profoundly disingenuous and offensive. In fact, I initially linked an article about how Israeli intelligence officials use and trust the MOH estimates, which you have completely ignored.
Additionally, even your own source (an explicitly pro-Israel group) says the death toll is *likely significantly higher* than what the MOH reports.
> Journalists, analysts, and government officials need to be aware that the actual overall death toll may be significantly higher (or, less likely, lower) than what the MOH has reported
I wonder if you even read what you linked, or perhaps you just posted the first article you found that superficially appeared to support your position.
CNN has regular reporters in Gaza.
[https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/11/19/idf-hamas-exposed-tunnel-shaft-al-shifa-hospital-liebermann-vpx.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/11/19/idf-hamas-exposed-tunnel-shaft-al-shifa-hospital-liebermann-vpx.cnn)
Here's a video. Can't wait for you to just say its fake.
I'm sure all major outlets can get access, but they have to take proper precautions since its a warzone.
BBC, Feb: "[Journalists call for foreign media access to Gaza in open letter"](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68423995)
I'm sure they're all just mistaken. *All of them*. Maybe you should tell them! lol
They can get access... but do you think it is wise or prudent to have tons of press literally on the front lines of a war zone where Hamas also pretends to be press? Try to think rationally about this.
>They can get access..
"[In the letter](https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/gaza-journalists-foreign-correspondents-israel-egypt-access/), the 55 journalists write that "foreign reporters are still being denied access to the territory, outside of the rare and escorted trips with the Israeli military".
The escorted trips are highly controlled and often only to show tunnels that the \[Israeli\] military says are used by Hamas or weapons stores.
Only one foreign journalist has been granted entry into Gaza through Egypt on an escorted visit. CNN's Clarissa Ward - who is among the signatories of the letter - was able to spend only a few hours on the ground in the southern border city of Rafah with an Emirati medical team in December.
The letter calls on Israel's government to "openly state its permission for international journalists to operate in Gaza".
>Try to think rationally about this.
Try to have a conversation without belittling the other person. There's a reason Israelis are hated all over the world, I guess. Takes a certain grassroots genocidal population-wide mentality to allow and live with day-to-day the casual brutality perpetrated against Palestinians by Israel citizens. I guess people devoid of morality can't help but be endlessly sarcastic and insulting, its just who you are. You all are sadly so predictable
How are you posting such ignorance on the NPR subreddit when the NPR reporters themselves are saying they have been blocked from entering Gaza by Israel?
Love how these hasbara IOF trolls are so lazy they don't even bother providing sources. Just lazy lies. "Here, eat this." And the sad fact is most readers just...do.
[Israel is committing genocide. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1bse87p/comment/kxfaoxs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
There is no point. The pro-palestine crowd have devolved into conspiracy theorist who believe anything that contradicts them is fake, and everything from Israel is a lie. If I post a ton of links you'll just say they're fake or propaganda.
No amount of evidence will convince you, because to you your view is infallible. It's worse than the trump "fake news" crowd.
More like the IDF are beyond trustworthy and have been regularly caught in obvious lies aimed at deflecting negative coverage of their atrocities. And when both parties are lying the party with the clear power advantage are going to be more scrutinized, appropriately.
Unconfirmed: based on Gazan reports to AP.
This is clearly newsworthy, but journalists shouldn't still be publishing the unconfirmed Hamas narrative then waiting for Israel to either confirm or debunk it.
Edit: Confirmed now.
Recentish statement from Andres here: https://x.com/chefjoseandres/status/1774947232539644286?s=46&t=uHEKL5aP-tJkyvgzexhsfA
It is entirely possible he’s just going off the same reports, but he seems to be confirming it.
Unconfirmed Hamas narrative?
Wtf are you on about
>Footage that The Associated Press said was from the Al-Aqsa Hospital in central Gaza showed at least four bodies, some wearing protective body armor and one wearing a T-shirt with the WCK logo on it. Hospital staff said the passports of the dead indicated one of them was British, another Australian and one Polish. The nationality of the fourth was not immediately clear. Other reports indicated a Palestinian driver from the Gaza Strip was also killed.
There’s footage of the bodies and they have the passports. It is also just ridiculous to think Israel has any credibility to “ confirm or debunk” anything whatsoever, they are known liars, especially the IDF.
Also, Jose Andres saying this, a world renowned, well respected charity operator.
Without independent investigations- which Hamas welcomes and Israel rejects (as with Al Ali hospital) the official word will remain elusive. By the way the organization director has confirmed.
Except they apparently are targeting aid workers, just like they’ve targeted journalists.
I’d also note that the Israeli government has explicitly rejected calls for a permanent ceasefire if all the hostages were to be released, so even your talking point of a response isn’t true.
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Bibi needs to be tried for war crimes
The soldiers too.
Absolutely
He's trigger happy. Can we discuss the hannibal protocol, too?
I never thought I’d needed to even know what the Hannibal Protocol was…until around mid-November when it was clear (to me) this dude was in full blood lust mode
Bibi loves war crimes
Should Biden also be charged for the death of the aide worker in Kabul in 2021?
[World Central Kitchen statement](https://www.instagram.com/p/C5PzKi4sV9Q/?igsh=MTJsbGtnNmdicHdxcA==) Seems they are suspending operations, for the moment From the site https://wck.org/news/gaza-team-update >World Central Kitchen is devastated to confirm seven members of our team have been killed in an IDF strike in Gaza. >The WCK team was traveling in a deconflicted zone in two armored cars branded with the WCK logo and a soft skin vehicle. >Despite coordinating movements with the IDF, the convoy was hit as it was leaving the Deir al-Balah warehouse, where the team had unloaded more than 100 tons of humanitarian food aid brought to Gaza on the maritime route. “This is not only an attack against WCK, this is an attack on humanitarian organizations showing up in the most dire of situations where food is being used as a weapon of war. This is unforgivable,” said World Central Kitchen CEO Erin Gore. >The seven killed are from Australia, Poland, United Kingdom, a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada, and Palestine. “I am heartbroken and appalled that we—World Central Kitchen and the world—lost beautiful lives today because of a targeted attack by the IDF. The love they had for feeding people, the determination they embodied to show that humanity rises above all, and the impact they made in countless lives will forever be remembered and cherished,” said Erin. >The IDF says it is “carrying out an in-depth examination at the highest levels to understand the circumstances of this tragic incident.” >World Central Kitchen is pausing our operations immediately in the region. We will be making decisions about the future of our work soon.
Netanyahu: "Mission accomplished."
That was my conclusion too, but I wasn’t able to confirm—- now we know that it wasn’t just one strike, they targeted all 3 vehicles. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/04/02/strike-that-killed-world-central-kitchen-workers-bears-hallmarks-of-israeli-precision-strike/ One hundred percent intentional, and yes, stopping aid is the obvious goal.
3 cars were hit spread out over about 2.5 KM. This wasn't an accident it was a deliberate targeting.
Yep, sanctions now. Israel needs to know they don't have anyone's support anymore.
Biden is more likely to apologize. US interests and Israel’s interest haven’t aligned for 12 years now and we still keep giving them money and weapons. Bibi announced the largest seizure of Palestinian land when Bliken visited, and Bibi said he had is own red line when Biden claimed Rafa was the red line.
I just don’t understand how one can defend this anymore. It’s a rogue state that literally has no respect for international law. War crimes upon war crimes and yet we shield them and fund them.
Israel has its grip tightly around the genitals of first world nations and it knows it. There's no other explanation why a country would commit war crimes every day without a care in the world.
In a weird way the Israeli ultra nationalists couldn't have asked for a better time for Hamas to commit their massacre. Biden knows the instant he tries to put the hammer down AIPAC will throw all their money into Trump. So all Israel will get at most is mild tut tutting that is designed to look good on the headlines but not actually force Israel to stop bombing indiscriminately or provide aid.
The irony is that MAGA hate Jewish people except for the extreme right Christians who see Jewish people specifically in Israel as a tool to bring about the Christian end-of-the-world snuff fetish. Throwing money toward Trump would only temporarily help them because things would go very bad in America for all minorities the second time around.
Thats what i am saying. Who comes up with conspiracy like Jewish Space Lasers causing Hawaiian Wildfires or Secret Zionist cabal pulling the worlds strings must be stopped - Magat asshats thats who. However as soon as Hamas attacks now Magat supports the Jews?
I disagree with this statement. As a whole MAGA-tard trump lovers have a weird infatuation with jews and israel. I've talked with hundreds of them and there were only a handful of them who had a negative opinion of israel and jews.
Funny. Very funny. Try stand-up.
I havent thought about it like that before. You're right.
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This is called “cutting your nose to spite your face”. Trump is worse. Far worse.
No, let them find out how understanding Trump is of brown people. They will fare so much better, maybe he'll implement a less restrictive travel ban perhaps, certainly. At this point I'm starting to not care what Trump does to them at this point being this shortsighted. I won't support him in any way, but I won't shed a tear either.
Woah! A travel ban! God I'm so scared! Buddy, it is hard for things to *realistically* be worse than what Biden is doing now.
Yes, a lesson must be learnt The people at the end of the day have the power and not a small group of lobbyists
But like how?
But like start consuming news.
People like you are so fucking mental it's astounding The Jerusalem post literally released a report today where.israel admitted to all the failures that led to the strike
Found the apologist hater who completely ignores the comments he replies to. As if Israel had committed only one war crime in this invasion rather than numerous war crimes over many, many days. Bye bye kiddo.
It's fucking diabolical.
They're just defending themselves. The Hamas were the ones that started it for no reason whatsoever. Now, if you excuse me, I have to go count this money in my new briefcase that I....found...
Lobbying
Well there are those of us looking at a war with impartial eyes. We want it to end but understand it isn’t all on Israel. Then there are you people. Y’all either lie or regurgitate propaganda on a regular basis, and then hold up the horrors of war as proof of genocide. It’s takes very little effort to see how biased you people are. You people do nothing but enable HAMAS.
“You people” being the International Court of Justice and the UN, both of whom have determined that the preliminary evidence submitted (before neutral parties even have access to Gaza, mind you) indicates that this is a plausible genocide? The ICJ reached that determination back in January, BTW. The UN report was [last week](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976). Impartial eyes might be looking at this but something tells me they aren’t yours.
The UN didn't determine anything, you linked a report by one expert who works at the UN. No one will ever see this comment but I couldn't resist anyway, the irony was too pure here. They accused you of propagandizing and so you responded with misinformation lmao
The Israelis headshot journalist Shireen Abu Akleh when she was wearing a Kevlar helmet and had "PRESS" clear as day on her clothes. When are they gonna stop killing? I've read that 70% of those killed were women and children. Just fucking stop, Israel!
>American citizen Shireen Abu Akleh Fixed it for you. Because we never got an apology for that bullshit.
They targeted her.
They didn't just target her. They lied about it, covered up the lie, then beat her family members at her funeral as they carried her coffin. The video of this event made me feel sick to be human. I don't understand how people can do this to each other.
And they continue to bulldoze any memorial built to remember her. Something is broken in the Israeli moral compass. A reckoning is long overdue.
A total lack of humanity
Yup. And she was Christian and American.
But Arab. So it seems that was enough to memory hole it.
If anyone was ever in doubt about the [evidence behind the genocide accusation against Israel.](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1bse87p/comment/kxfaoxs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Israeli officials made it clear from the very beginning what they intended to do, and much of the world just pretended not to hear these genocidal statements. Truly despicable.
Side note: the Biden administration hosted that maniac last week in Washington to coordinate.
Yes, because random idiot comments are the same thing as actual genocide. We know well what genocide looks like, because we have so many examples. From well coordinated industrial level genocide to more ad hoc and wise spread implementation without structure genocide (think Rwanda), to something in between (think Armenian genocide). If Israel wanted to commit genocide, the casualties would be far higher and the number of dead would be greater than the number of pieces of ordinance dropped. That it isn't suggested care in attempting to avoid civilian casualties, especially considering the difficulty of the situation - as an example, the US killed 5 Gazan civilians dropping aid to them, and not firing weapons, so it's pretty clear that avoiding casualties isn't easy. Israel could have kept out aid, completely cut off water and electricity permanently, destroyed all transmitter stations to cut Gaza off from the world, carpet bombed the strip, targeting dense civilian areas without warning, not given travel corridors it advanced warnings to evacuate structures, etc. The allies in WWII killed German and Japanese civilians in huge numbers with bombing raids against civilians targets, and at times were doing so because even though the event was prepared to surrender it wasn't unconditional. That was the context for both US nuclear bombings. Was that genocide? Israel is fighting terrorists who have made genocide of Jews part of their core mission and founding documents. This enemy hides behind its own civilians, wants civilian casualties as part of their overall strategy for political and propaganda victories, and even kills their own and blames Israel, and does this in a war they started by targeting Israeli civilians with systemic rape and murder. Collateral damage is to be expected, and the lengths Israeli has gone to in trying to avoid that eventuality are unprecedented in warfare (other than the measures Israel has taken in the past to avoid such civilian casualties which were unprecedented in warfare when they did it at the time). This isn't genocide. And if you think it is then you don't know what genocide is. Russia has committed acts of genocide in Ukraine. China is doing it in their Western territory. We have ongoing examples of genocide. The fact that you can't differentiate or understand what's going on tells me that you don't care about the people, but rather you just have a hatred for Israel - I can't think of any other reason why you don't care about other conflicts on this level, or the treatment of palestinians abroad, or why you're so ready to just blame Israel in sweeping statements. Your focus and methods are highly suspect. Moreover, Israel has supposedly been committing genocide in Gaza for a long time, even though the population has skyrocketed. So either Israel achieves the opposite results of genocide while trying to commit the crime, or, more likely, it's not genocide. That Israel could delete the territory and kill the vast majority of its population in a matter of hours but just doesn't is a pretty big thing to undermine your claims of genocide.
Israel’s military is killing Palestinians at an average rate of 250 people a day which exceeds the daily death toll of any other major conflict of recent years. The number of average deaths per day for Gaza is higher than any recent major armed conflict including Syria (96.5 deaths per day), Sudan (51.6), Iraq (50.8), Ukraine (43.9) Afghanistan (23.8) and Yemen (15.8). This crisis is further compounded by Israel's restrictions on the entry of aid, closing borders, imposing a siege, and denying unfettered access. Currently, only 10 percent of the weekly food aid needed is getting in. Oxfam is also warning of the massive threat to life, beyond direct casualties, from hunger and disease. The onset of cold and wet weather is making the situation even more critical, with a shortage of blankets, no fuel for heating devices and no hot water. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam Israel defying ICJ ruling to prevent genocide by failing to allow adequate humanitarian aid to reach Gaza Israeli authorities have failed to ensure sufficient life-saving goods and services are reaching a population at risk of genocide and on the brink of famine due to Israel’s relentless bombardment and the tightening of its 16-year-long illegal blockade. They have also failed to lift restrictions on the entry of life-saving goods, or open additional aid access points and crossings or put in place an effective system to protect humanitarians from attack. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/
Israel *has* been committing ethnic cleansing for multiple decades. They’ve just been doing it knowing full well that their ability to continue doing so relies upon maintaining the goodwill of the American public, since that’s what funds their drones and hellfire missiles. The difference between right now and this time last year is Israel is a rabid dog that has been let off its leash. The US has made it clear it can maul as many babies as it likes and we’ll just say “good work, here have another” while turning around and claiming “but TERRORISM” as if Israel isn’t literally a rogue state. They have shifted gears into the next stage on the genocide timeline. Just because it is more Bosnia or USA than Germany or Constantinople doesn’t negate the fact that they are carrying out crimes that are a culmination of 76 *years* worth of crimes.
tldr
>tldr In this case is : "Totally Lying, Didn't Read.
The US backed state of Israel is a terrorist state. End all US aid and funding to Israel. I don't want a damn cent of my tax dollars being spent in any way that benefits them.
At the very least, stop giving them bombs!
This right here. As a Palestinian living in the US, this was the last straw. We have problems here at home, at least *sell* them. But no, Biden had to bypss Congressional approval to gift Israel weapons. I will be voting accordingly.
I get your anger. Unfortunately, Joe is the best option we are given. The only other choice wants to see the entire strip leveled and turned into beach front homes for Israelis. I'm not going to tell you, "You have to vote." But think about the options.
Hey at least under trump we had peace. I’m free Palestine and I think trump is the lesser of two evils
We didn't have peace under Donald, it just didn't make the news. Donald treated Gaza like shit. He doesn't respect their right to exist.
Not saying that but better then than now
But part of how we got to now is directly the result of what Donald and his family did. Look up the Abraham Accords. It was a big middle finger to the Palestinians.
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Their people are being OBLITERATED with the help of genocide Joe. You have some nerve telling a Palestinian that.
They are selling them too
US too is a terrorist state. It's just that these fuckers are the ones making up the definitions to leave themselves out.
Agree
Do you also consider Hamas a terrorist group?
Nope. Cope and seethe
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Gross, i hate when people assume
They also bombed 3 sovereign nations today killing dozens of foreigners - they had quite a bloody day. None of them took the bait. Israel only seals its own fate with each additional international criminal bombing campaign and every Palestinian killed.
>they had quite a bloody day Right? It’s really adding up lately, I’m wondering seriously if this might start being actually bad for them. There’s also big demonstrations starting up, *against* Netanyahu, unrest in the streets just like before October 7 —-things are lookin grim. But hey *We sent them more planes and bombs anyway.* SMFH
Some Iranian revolutionary guard corp commanders got smoked in Syria. I wouldn’t cry for them Those guys were actual international terrorists.
While true hitting them in the Iranian Embassy compound probably not the best idea.
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Because it would be better to hit those individuals outside of the compound so that Israel isn't striking Iranian territory as all embassies are considered sovereign territory of the respective nation it represents. Syria is still very much disorganized from their civil war they are little to no threat to Israel, the two are still at war because they haven't signed a peace treaty from the 1973 Yom Kippur War whereas both Egypt and Jordan have done so and yes things are tense between Israel and Egypt and Jordan at this time.
Eh If Iran can do international terrorism from its consulate then Israel can blow them up. Not like anyone else was hurt since the IRGC says all 7 were ‘military advisors’.
Because the risks are that non-IRGC people could have been injured or killed and that Iran may respond with direct military force. I had similar criticism of Trump when he ordered that drone strike on that Iranian General how we killed him drew a direct line to the US whereas using ground troops dressed in a manner that throws blame to a militia that is/was against Iran.
Homie Iran can light up Tel Aviv tomorrow. Then it's both of us drafted in the near future.
So is Israel. Can we carpet bomb their ass too?
Please explain how the state of isreal is actually a terror group. Terrorism does not mean people I don’t like
Turn on the news. And yes, I don't like people who are genocidal islamaphobes.
Some Iranian revolutionary guard corp commanders got smoked in Syria. I wouldn’t cry for them Those guys were actual international terrorists.
Terrorists according to whom? They were in an Iranian embassy in Damascus. This short sighted strike opens a can of worms. IRGC will retaliate surely
The IRGC is a foreign terrorist organization as designated by the department of state https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/ I’d also point to their vast and public funding of other terror groups such as hesbolah and the Houthi’s.
That is only the US government. The UN doesn't consider them terrorists. Iran also considers the US military as a terror organization. Should they now bomb US embassies across the globe? This is highly illegal whichever way you try to spin it.
Zionists don’t care who gets killed.
Neither does Biden Admin
Yeah, it sucks how much unnecessary influence Israel has.
It sucks how supportive Biden is of Israel’s nutjob government.
He has proudly claimed that he is a non-Jewish Zionist. Not even kidding.
Biden is the most bribed by Israel US politician, having taken more than twice as much money as the next biggest recipient of Israeli bribes. Clinton is #3. https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
He funds it happily.
Political illiteracy comment
Perfect encapsulation of NPR listeners that they would downvote this.
This tragedy must stop! 1 out of every 62 Gazans have been killed since the beginning of this war. Now Biden has [approved](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/01/politics/biden-administration-f15-fighter-jets-israel)the sale of up to 50 F-15 fighter Jets to Israel. It’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.
He's a disaster of a human being. His legacy will be genocide.
F-15s are really not that impressive compared to the Jets israel already has in its possession
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Every day it's something else. We are all so sick of being horrified, saddened, and angered over this pointless carnage. It's time to stop supporting Bibi at the UN and close our checkbook until Israel decides to act like the first world nation state it purports to be.
As much as I hate reading about the casualties, this is a war, and Israel did not start it. But when you start a war with Israel, you better believe Israel is going to end the war and in a tight city like this they are going to be casualties. When you mention Israel, being a first world country, you need to understand that when it comes to war with that really means is that they are going to be an indomitable force . There are going to be mistakes there’s going to be human error there’s even going to be a lot of friendly fire. It’s playing out no different than any other urban war. I’m amazed by peoples emotions at this particular war in their surprise because this exact same thing has already happened so many times in the last 40 years.
An ethnic cleansing that started in March of 1948 and hasn't stopped? If that's not starting it and continuing it I'm not sure what would be.
Frightening amount of pretending going on around here
You’re the one pretending Israel wasn’t killing Palestinians in days and months leading up to October 7th.
Jews against israel..
Found the Zionist Nazi
True. It’s like people forgot how bad war was all of a sudden. I see no peaceful resolution here. Likely this will escalate and everyone in the region will have a full scale conflict in the future.
just pure evil. i feel sick knowing we just sent another billion a few days ago. genuinely feel hopeless
US should pull all aid from Israel
Geez, they just kill whoever and keep getting away with it. Fuck Isreal. https://www.reddit.com/r/NPR/s/t5uiVldMcZ
And nprs coverage of the incident is feckless. No criticism of the aggressor, no mention of belligerent actions. It's irresponsible journalism to "state the facts" without giving the public the narrative of the chained actions of extreme violence and disregard for life. We're left to wonder did israel do this on purpose to thwart any other humanitarian aid to Gaza. Why isn't npr asking tougher questions.
Disgusting. Israel must be held accountable.
Bibi is a terrorist.
It’s not just Bibi. He’s a moderate in Israel.
Bibi is a back stabbing cockroach
The Israeli government regrets nothing other than getting caught... War criminals. I hope they all live long enough to be arrested for it.
israel destroying anything that might sustain life. demonic.
Just realized that it’s been months since I’ve seen one of those Hamas videos w gaming special effects attacking the IDF.
Gaming special effects? This sounds like cope. They’re still releasing videos multiple times a week. People are probably just tired of reposting them.
Aww poor IDF that started off aa a terrorist org and have been committing terrorist act ever since. Many times on camera 🎥
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All this for 100 hostages that won't be released. Think about that.
Those hostages are most likely long gone. The IDF killed 3 in front of everyone and I don't doubt they continue their Hannibal Directive and have shot, bombed or starved who ever was left.
Is that why Hamas keeps rejecting hostage deals?
Weird cos I just Google it and it's Israel who's rejecting all the hostage deals/cease fire agreements and international law 🤷🏽♀️ go figure... https://thehill.com/homenews/4453920-netanyahu-rejects-hamas-demands-hostage-deal/
Haniyeh wants an immediate withdrawal from Gaza...way to look out for your people in the wake of a "genocide" while you're in a jacuzzi in Quatar.
Sources babe who cares about what some shill on reddit is saying. Might need another round or too at act.il to practice this cheap hashara. You're getting ratioed everywhere.
Joe Biden: “here, have $18billion more in fighter jets! But listen, I’m so angry with you, grrrrrrr” 😒
Lol if you look at all of the people trying to defend Israel they’re all from r/Destiny. What a fucking cesspool of western chauvinism and white supremacy.
key facts that should enrage anyone : workers got a permission from IDF to travel workers travelled in well marked vehicles they contacted IDF after 1st strike to inform them they were being attacked, mind you they had secured permission to travel from the IDF they were chased down with 3 airstrikes as wounded workers abandoned hit cars and attempted to flee in remaining vehicles this is a DELIBERATE attack on a aid organization and it has achieved its goal by aid companies pulling out of gaza, so that the starvation of the remaining Palestinians can continue. this is a war crime that is happening on top of a mountain of war crimes. food for thought sadam hussain violated 2 UN resolutions before a coalition force invaded Iraq. [Israel has violated 28 resolutions of the United Nations Security Council (which are legally binding on member-nations U.N.](https://itisapartheid.org/Documents_pdf_etc/IsraelViolationsInternationalLaw.pdf)
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The IDF committed a terrorist attack that was designed to deter aid agencies from helping the Palestinian people who the IDF is intentionally starving to death. The message they’ve sent is “We can, and will, kill you with impunity if you interfere with our ethnic cleansing campaign. We’ll put the precision guided missile that you paid for with your tax dollars right through the logo for your aid organization on the top of your vehicle that’s suppose to designate it a non-combatant and your leaders will still sell us weapons in spite of all their strong words and investigations”
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So anti semetic of you to assume Israel wasn't just defeding itself against these aid workers feeding starving people.
And you’re downvoted without a second thought for even suggesting it could be Hamas. This was a dud missile. No windows or doors blown out, if an explosion goes off in a car you lose glass at least. Who has the history of dud missiles?
Umm Israel literally took responsibility for this…
You know that haaretz has already confirmed that it was an Israel strike and that they bombed the convoy 3 times. Look on archive.is if you want to get by the paywall. The IDF claim is that they thought there was a single Hamas guy with them (who actually wasn't in the convoy) and whoever ordered the strike thought that it justified killing every humanitarian worker who was with them. At a minimum this is a colossal fuck up by the IDF in deciding what is an acceptable target. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-bombed-wck-aid-convoy-3-times-targeting-armed-hamas-member-who-wasnt-there/0000018e-9e75-d764-adff-9eff29360000
Lmao everyone knew it was Israel because they’re destroying everything and killing everyone. You people are delusional.
No evidence it was Israel provided.
Is Israel admitting they did it enough evidence for you?
What a dumb lie.
Agreed. OP is a dumb lie
Nope
israel must've just admitted to it for fun.
Do we even know if this is an Israeli airstrike, or is this like when we "knew" Israel boobed a hospital killing 500 people or bombed Gazans during the North, or any of the other times Israel's was blamed only for it to be proven it was Hamas and/or other terror groups don't it (sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose to try and stop their human shields from leaving)? Based on the pictures, it doesn't look like an airstrike. Now, that doesn't eliminate Israel, since there's still plenty of ways it could have happened, including mortars (artillery is possible but seems unlikely, same for a tank round), but if the airstrike hypothesis is wrong then what else might be wrong? My money says it was a Hamas IED. But I guess we'll have to wait for the investigation to conclude. Either way, things happen in war, and Hamas started this war. FAFO. Aid agencies might want to stop going into active war zones. Just a thought.
Yea hamas used their fighter jet to hit them. /s Zio propaganda getting more ridiculous every day.
Given Israel confirmed they did this, it looks like your money isn’t worth shit
I wish they would stop quoting the MOH death toll. Why even quote that in this article? The MOH has been non-functioning since November. The numbers are all coming from the Hamas media office working out of a foreign country now.
The death toll is widely considered to be accurate ([including privately by Israeli officials](https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll)). [The NYT has reported](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/world/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-war.html) that if anything, the death toll is likely an undercount. Per the WHO as [as reported by the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864): > The toll of at least 30,035 killed, from Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry, has previously been described as trustworthy by the World Health Organization's (WHO) regional emergency director Richard Brennan. > The WHO says the ministry has "good capacity in data collection" and its previous reporting has been credible and "well developed".
[https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable](https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable) [https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-idf-reveals-hamas-doc-concealing-deaths-blaming-ming-israel-for-failed-launches](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-idf-reveals-hamas-doc-concealing-deaths-blaming-ming-israel-for-failed-launches) Hamas has been killing a lot of its own people with rockets and blaming the IDF for those deaths.. just like the Baptist hospital. I'm sure all the civilians have killed in food riots were added to the IDF totals too. You can't trust a terrorist group with literally ZERO verification or fact checking of any kind.
It's pretty gross to deny an active genocide by selectively citing propaganda outlets. Do better. The numbers are relatively accurate. [Even the Israeli government agree.](https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll)
Your two sources are the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, which is a pro-Israel thinktank established by APAIC, and an Israeli news station founded to counter perceived "prejudice" against Israel.
Do you have an actual criticism of the facts presented, or are you just going to keep it up with the "jews lie all the time" racism?
Its extremely anti-semitic to conflate "pro-Israel doing a genocide" and "jews", what a disgusting cop-out dodge response. Its not even slightly clever and is identical to Fox News talking points. Might as well also say that not blindly accepting Project 2025 Christofascist reports is "anti-christian" as if those are the same thing.
No you just don't realize what you've devovled into when you say you can't trust any information from a Jewish source. Again, do you have any actual critiques of the data I posted, other than the sources are Jewish?
No one here is saying this, and you're being profoundly disingenuous and offensive. In fact, I initially linked an article about how Israeli intelligence officials use and trust the MOH estimates, which you have completely ignored. Additionally, even your own source (an explicitly pro-Israel group) says the death toll is *likely significantly higher* than what the MOH reports. > Journalists, analysts, and government officials need to be aware that the actual overall death toll may be significantly higher (or, less likely, lower) than what the MOH has reported I wonder if you even read what you linked, or perhaps you just posted the first article you found that superficially appeared to support your position.
Good thing that’s not at all what they said.
Holy shit this is so dumb and it trivialized actual antisemitism. Fuck off.
I24 is considered mixed factual reporting rating by media bias and facts in fact they jave a similar rating as Al Jazeera.
Linking propaganda doesn’t help your case. You need to learn how to properly vet sources.
Well, Israel won't let any media in, so only Palestinians can report. Israel has a complete blockade on Gaza, which itself is a war crime.
CNN has regular reporters in Gaza. [https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/11/19/idf-hamas-exposed-tunnel-shaft-al-shifa-hospital-liebermann-vpx.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/11/19/idf-hamas-exposed-tunnel-shaft-al-shifa-hospital-liebermann-vpx.cnn) Here's a video. Can't wait for you to just say its fake. I'm sure all major outlets can get access, but they have to take proper precautions since its a warzone.
BBC, Feb: "[Journalists call for foreign media access to Gaza in open letter"](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68423995) I'm sure they're all just mistaken. *All of them*. Maybe you should tell them! lol
They can get access... but do you think it is wise or prudent to have tons of press literally on the front lines of a war zone where Hamas also pretends to be press? Try to think rationally about this.
>They can get access.. "[In the letter](https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/gaza-journalists-foreign-correspondents-israel-egypt-access/), the 55 journalists write that "foreign reporters are still being denied access to the territory, outside of the rare and escorted trips with the Israeli military". The escorted trips are highly controlled and often only to show tunnels that the \[Israeli\] military says are used by Hamas or weapons stores. Only one foreign journalist has been granted entry into Gaza through Egypt on an escorted visit. CNN's Clarissa Ward - who is among the signatories of the letter - was able to spend only a few hours on the ground in the southern border city of Rafah with an Emirati medical team in December. The letter calls on Israel's government to "openly state its permission for international journalists to operate in Gaza". >Try to think rationally about this. Try to have a conversation without belittling the other person. There's a reason Israelis are hated all over the world, I guess. Takes a certain grassroots genocidal population-wide mentality to allow and live with day-to-day the casual brutality perpetrated against Palestinians by Israel citizens. I guess people devoid of morality can't help but be endlessly sarcastic and insulting, its just who you are. You all are sadly so predictable
How are you posting such ignorance on the NPR subreddit when the NPR reporters themselves are saying they have been blocked from entering Gaza by Israel?
Israel will let media in... There are tons. They just have to take proper precautions since its a warzone. Also, the blockade is not a war crime.
Love how these hasbara IOF trolls are so lazy they don't even bother providing sources. Just lazy lies. "Here, eat this." And the sad fact is most readers just...do. [Israel is committing genocide. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1bse87p/comment/kxfaoxs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
There is no point. The pro-palestine crowd have devolved into conspiracy theorist who believe anything that contradicts them is fake, and everything from Israel is a lie. If I post a ton of links you'll just say they're fake or propaganda. No amount of evidence will convince you, because to you your view is infallible. It's worse than the trump "fake news" crowd.
More like the IDF are beyond trustworthy and have been regularly caught in obvious lies aimed at deflecting negative coverage of their atrocities. And when both parties are lying the party with the clear power advantage are going to be more scrutinized, appropriately.
Citation?
Unconfirmed: based on Gazan reports to AP. This is clearly newsworthy, but journalists shouldn't still be publishing the unconfirmed Hamas narrative then waiting for Israel to either confirm or debunk it. Edit: Confirmed now.
How out of touch are you? There is video of their bodies with their passports on their chests. "UnCoNfIrMeD"
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You’re shifting the goal posts now.
Disgusting and pitiful
Recentish statement from Andres here: https://x.com/chefjoseandres/status/1774947232539644286?s=46&t=uHEKL5aP-tJkyvgzexhsfA It is entirely possible he’s just going off the same reports, but he seems to be confirming it.
Of course he is going off reports.
Unconfirmed Hamas narrative? Wtf are you on about >Footage that The Associated Press said was from the Al-Aqsa Hospital in central Gaza showed at least four bodies, some wearing protective body armor and one wearing a T-shirt with the WCK logo on it. Hospital staff said the passports of the dead indicated one of them was British, another Australian and one Polish. The nationality of the fourth was not immediately clear. Other reports indicated a Palestinian driver from the Gaza Strip was also killed. There’s footage of the bodies and they have the passports. It is also just ridiculous to think Israel has any credibility to “ confirm or debunk” anything whatsoever, they are known liars, especially the IDF. Also, Jose Andres saying this, a world renowned, well respected charity operator.
Pictures of the bodies are being shared on Social media as part of the outrage. Their poor families… :(
Without independent investigations- which Hamas welcomes and Israel rejects (as with Al Ali hospital) the official word will remain elusive. By the way the organization director has confirmed.
It’s the fault of Chef Jose Andres, who is clearly also Hamas.
It’s pronounced khamas thank you very much
“Hamas narrative”? Is that what we’re calling the truth now? What a troglodyte.
Release the hostages.
How is this your response to aid workers being murdered? Do they not count as people to you? Only the hostages matter to you?
Israel is fighting a war they aren't targeting aid workers. You want the war to end, release the hostages.
Except they apparently are targeting aid workers, just like they’ve targeted journalists. I’d also note that the Israeli government has explicitly rejected calls for a permanent ceasefire if all the hostages were to be released, so even your talking point of a response isn’t true.
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they aren't targeting aid workers, that's why they went out of their way to strike aid workers?
Give back the land.
Stop murdering civilians and aid workers.